Interesting that Asus is trying to offer some kind of flicker mitigation, but this solution seems very situational. What's your opinion on Samsung's anti-flicker setting on the G6 and G8? Would you say it overall works better than Asus feature or worse?
Samsung's 'VRR Control' is very different and is covered in our review of the G60SD - ruclips.net/video/eOxgwdze7OM/видео.htmlsi=jNsQaIdEf96RFo7o&t=3554.
So i found a solution that worked for me in Blurbusters forum , it eliminated the flickers completely and i tested the screen for tearing and freesync worked well with no flickers and freesync range of 20-240 hz . in CRU, to get rid of the VRR flicker even at 240Hz by simply keeping the refresh rate (239.973Hz) and selecting "Exact" in "timings." This also lowers the pixel clock. i tested frame skipping and i don't notice anything skipping on slo mo camera . hope that helps .
VRR-Flicker was the reason to sent back my OLED Monitor (Samsung G80SD), VRR-Control is no option because it raises latency and introduces tearing. Its really a shame for this major drawback on OLED monitors.
I have been trying to make OLED work for me, but I guess i'm super sensitive to VRR flicker...I have bought and returned 3 different OLED monitors...The flickering drives me absolutely crazy! I play alot of darker games, which look beautiful on OLED, but every single one of them flicker like crazy...I even upgraded my GPU to a 4080 super thinking that might help with the fluctuations, but honestly it just made it worse...I guess maybe I will hold out for a while longer until they can figure out a solution to this...I really want OLED, but i'm think about going with a mini LED for now...I have never used a mini LED though, so i'm not sure how much better it will look than what I have right now...
@@dotxyn I did try turning off VRR and I tried capping my FPS, but after using VRR for the last 8 years it looks rough without it now...After spending $3500 on my PC and another $800 on my monitor, I would rather not have to compromise like that...I know these are 1st world problems, but I really enjoy PC gaming and I want the best experience I can...I love the look of OLED, but it's just not worth dealing with the flicker or giving up VRR...I just ordered an Odyssey G8 OLED to try out, but if it has flicker I think will just try a mini LED and see how I like it...
@@rossmarbow-combatflightsim5922 G-sync doesn't add latency, V-sync does though...I have been playing with G-sync for many years and I have no intention of playing games on an $800 monitor without it...I will just keep looking until I find a monitor that works for me.
I'm trying to find out more about the issue in general before getting a new monitor. Does capping your frame rate to a value you can hit most of the time helm with the issue? I usually prefer to do that anyway, because I tend to notice fluctuations in responsiveness. My only experience is with a G-Sync 144 Hz IPS monitor on a laptop and I've never noticed flickering. I don't know if that's because it's not there or because I don't notice it.
I tried Asus 32UCDM and then LG 32GS95UX and both of the monitors caused a horrible eye strain which after a while grown to a reallly bad headache. I had to sell the monitors and go back to IPS.
A new firmware will be released for the UCDM, where the same options as the WOLED are implemented, improvements in HDR among other things, it was announced on the Asus Rog forum.
Yeah, because you are only running at 120 FPS if you go into windows and limit your frame rate on your monitor to 120 the flicker goes away it’s something to do with high refresh rate
@@Goblue734 Nah it has to do with VRR aka GSYNC. I played on CX through PC and got all kinds of varying framerates and it never flickered once, which is weird.
Most don't feature such a setting and I haven't come across a setting that's "better" than what ASUS offers. VRR flickering on OLEDs would need a solution that isn't currently available to solve.
Any news or updates for UCDM firmware with all these features? It’s not fair Asus ditching equally expensive model (UCDM) in-order to boost up UCDP sales!! It’s been 6 months since UCDM received firmware update. As a consumer Im disappointed with these kind of strategies 👎🏻👎🏻
I really want to buy this monitor, it's currently on a sale for 550 euros, but right when i wanted to place my order, i read something about VRR flickering. Would you say this is a dealbreaker? Will it ruin the experience? Is there a better monitor you recommend for that price? thanks
I'd recommend watching the video as it covers what VRR flickering is and gives some examples of it. It's not about one specific monitor. VRR flickering is entirely subjective and depends on the fluctuations occuring as to whether it's annoying or not.
Hello PC Monitors, Which one do you think is better ? ASUS AQDMG or SAMSUNG G6 ? Please be honest, I'm torn between them and if it was you, which one you would buy ?
My recommendations are clear - pcmonitors.info/articles/best-gaming-monitors/. But it's entirely subjective, really, you should watch both reviews and decide for yourself. Screen surface differences, panel technology differences and refresh rate differences for example are explored there and must be considered.
I see faint black bars moving from top to bottom, is that typical in an oled panel? I've heard it usually happens at high FPS and low brightness. Could cause eye strain.
Do you mean you see them on your own OLED or in this video? OLEDs have slight cyclical dips in brightness which the vast majority of users will not find uncomfortable. These aren't to be confused with the much larger fluctuations that PWM causes. You're more likely to notice these at lower brightness and LOWER refresh rates (not higher).
@@PCMonitors Thanks for the clarification, I've been considering getting a new monitor . do you think lg 27gs95qeb is a good choice for video editing and occasional gaming. for me there are 2 things to consider: no eyestrain and acceptable text clarity. not sure if I should get it for my use case or not.
It might be worth considering a QD-OLED. They will offer you superior text (and UI element) clarity and a wider gamut which may or may not be of use to you. Our recommendation includes a matte QD-OLED as well - pcmonitors.info/articles/best-gaming-monitors/.
You need to be actually using VRR (Adaptive-Sync enabled in OSD), ELMB can't be used and some other settings like PiP/PbP would have to be disabled. If in doubt perform a factory reset in the OSD.
@@PCMonitors I think my issue is i'm using HDMI and I read on a reddit post that this setting only works over Display Port for some reason, even though the HDMI input is slightly better spec wise than the DP one i think
I'm looking into the MSI MPG321URX or the LG- 32GS95UE for PS5 use don't pc game much. Will either of those monitor be ok or flickering as well be noticeable?
It's very subjective, depending on your own sensitivity to it and the specific frame rate fluctuations occuring. Some people who find it particularly annoying for certain games (as frame rate is very unstable) might simply prefer to disable VRR.
@@PCMonitors Just read the announcement on German news site that AOC will soon release 4K 32" 165Hz oled. 850 ish EUR. Review possible? Edit: name Agon Pro AG326UD
That flicker is wrecking some people’s eyes who are sensitive to PWM. Hardly anyone mentions this because everyone is obsessed with OLED. For some people it causes bad eye strain and headaches.
Manage your game settings then cap the framerate just below the average and you'll never see it in game. You also get a much more consistent experience.
you might be right in some cases but not in general. i can see high frequency flicker or pwm, do not give me headache but it is annoying. would be more accurate and call even oscillations as a frequency and the oled has uneven frequency as flicker. and the flicker is so low, i guess at 90hz so it is more like a flashing. the flicker oled has is low frequency, anyone can see it. the high frequency of pwm most people can not see it but feel the negative effects.
@@PCMonitors yes on Xbox series x console on Call Of Duty fps drops from 120fps to 78fps sometimes so I will see it this way too because I want to buy OLED but I don't know if it makes sense if I play on IPS without Flicker issue if it's going to be like this on console as well I'd rather not risk it?
@@C23451 It's very subjective, it doesn't bother everyone even with those sorts of fluctuations. And some are happy to play without VRR which will eliminate VRR flickering.
@@PCMonitors yes on PC you have more fps to play without vrr on console too much FPS drops and only 120fps not even stable 120fps to play without vrr this is problem
@C23451 It's not a problem for everyone, it depends on sensitivity to stuttering. But you're correct that it would be more noticeable than where frame rate is much higher.
Is it normal to be getting this kind of flicker during web browsing? In my settings menu the refresh rate stays at 240hz yet the monitor still flickers. When I'm playing a game the flickering almost completely stops or is at least unnoticeable. It's mainly during web browsing, especially during dark scenes/when using dark mode that I notice it
@sofiasofa99 It can still occur depending on web browser and hardware acceleration used. Do you have G-Sync set only to "Fullscreen" and not also for windowed applications? That might help.
@ it does it in both chrome and Firefox and also does it in applications like discord. It’s strange because it seems to go through phases where one minute it flickers a ton and the next it’s completely fine. I’ll try changing gysnc to only enable in fullscreen though. I have a 4080 super if that’s means anything, was figuring I shouldn’t be getting fps fluctuations outside of games with that gpu
is it also normal to have vrr flicker if the framerate is consistent? i got the 240hz glossy woled from rog and it only ever flickers when im sitting at the nvcp vsync cap of 225 fps absolutely no flickering if i turn off vsync in the driver and just cap the fps to 225 through riva (gsync is still actively working)
I haven't used the LG 32GS95UE myself (their PR team in the UK is useless to non-existent), but the general concensus seems to be that the ASUS is better. To name but a few gripes I'd have with the LG. It has an annoying thing called 'CPC' under SDR - forum.pcmonitors.info/topic/cpc-with-lg-27gs95qe/#post-76268. And you can't use VRR with the 480Hz mode like you can on the ASUS.
@@PCMonitors thanks I will go for the asus model no VRR in 480hz mode is a deal breaker but you can use it on the asus I think as for the CPC issue you can turn it off with the LG universal remote
Indeed the ASUS does have VRR with its 480Hz mode. Turning off CPC is a pain on the LG, there are some caveats to doing that - forum.pcmonitors.info/topic/asus-pg27aqdm-vs-lg-27gr95qe-and-thoughts-on-acer-and-corsair-variants/#post-73013. Specifically it affects the automatic running of cleaning cycles and if the monitor goes into a standby state you need to go back into the service menu to re-enable CPC. I used to own the 27GR95QE and that was, for me, a real pain.
We need "underdrive" :P OLED pixels are so fast that they cause VRR flicker so an anti-flicker feature should probably artificially increase pixel response time. It's no wonder IPS panels never flicker, while FastIPS and TN do.
Fastest IPS do not flicker, I use one of the fastest, while VA flicker without exceptions, people don't know what they are talking about, but in short it is because of gamma shift/change at different refresh rate.
As always great content! Which monitor with IPS panel and antyflicker technology you could recommend for someone with eye sensitive eyes in around the £300? I end up returning the Koorui GP1, as being too bright for me, but your great review was the reason for getting it in first place. I do not really need a gaming monitor, but would benefit if at least 75Hz. Keep on this stunning videos, rolling dude, we n3ed you! There is not much of content of this caliber on the net 👏
Yeah, the Koorui only goes down to ~100 nits so I can see why that would be a problem with sensitive eyes. If you liked that model apart from the fact it was uncomfortable (I know it's hard to assess it with that in mind), how about the AOC version? pcmonitors.info/reviews/aoc-q24g2a-bk/. That goes down to 64 nits which is significantly dimmer (though still not super dim).
Search in RTINGS ips monitors with PWM backlight control and with low minimal brightness (30-60cdm), IPS very very rarely have visible VRR flicker, so this should not be a problem.
Personally, I find VRR flicker very annoying. I have the MSI 321URX and prefer VRR disabled entirely. I have used 3x V-SYNC with some success, and some games display minimal tearing depending on the framerate, but overall I find dealing with each solution's drawbacks better than seeing flicker.
Some people will definitely find VRR flicker a lot more annoying than any tearing (VSync off) or stuttering (VSync on) they'd observe and I fully understand it. I'd love to see VRR flickering properly mitigated on OLEDs one day. It was somewhat reduced on the AW3423DW as it had a G-SYNC module, though it was still an issue.
@@PCMonitors why would the flicker behave any better with a G-Sync module? Wouldn't it make it worse, if anything, since the display is able to go all the way down to 1Hz? I think it must be just panel variance.
Well it's definitely not panel variance, given other models using that same panel but lacking the module have (as confirmed by multiple users and me) more noticeable VRR flickering. Nvidia seems to perform some gamma compensation to offset it. And going down to lower refresh rates isn't necessarily an issue for VRR flickering. Actually it can help, because you don't have a distinct LFC boundary where the refresh rate will suddenly jump to a multiple of the frame rate after you fall below it. This video demonstrated what happened when you keep crossing that LFC boundary. Either way though, if your game is running anywhere close to 1Hz (actually it usually cuts off at 10-15Hz then uses LFC) then you've got bigger worries.
@@PCMonitors besides the traditional double and triple buffering, are there different implementations of vsync that look better than others, with some games having little to no stuttering? does having faster hardware mitigate issues with vsync?
@@dotxyn Stuttering with VSync on is always an issue when the refresh rate doesn't precisely match up with the frame rate of the content (or stick perfectly to a multiple of it - which is very difficult to achieve in practice). It doesn't matter what form of VSync is used, this is always going to be a problem.
So every OLED MONITOR will have this issue then?... Because if so i refuse to buy it if so... Unless you can disable VRR and don't see such flickers (But what'd be the inconveniences then?) No PS5 nor any console use btw, just PC games and movies/photoshop
Yes. It is called VRR flicker because it occurs under VRR, with significant fluctuations (as explored in the video). Disabling VRR eliminates this, but then you get tearing (VSync off) or stuttering (VSync on), which VRR is designed to defeat. Not everyone is sensitive to that and it's less noticable at higher refresh rates.
@@PCMonitors I don't notice tearing on my TN at 120hz with a 5800X3D + 4070 Super on games with limited 120FPS and V-Sync off, so this shouldn't be a problem with the OLED then if VRR is turned off, right?...
Yeah, it seems to be fine for most people. Exact same audio used in the PG32UCDP review (which this is just a section of). That has had thousands of views, quite a few comments and 0 audio complaints. It might be that this video has just been uploaded and you can't use "Stable Volume" yet, because it needs to process further for that.
meme tech ? I dont think so, gsync (or freesync) is just incredible when u hate tearing or stuttering and probably the best tech on last 10 years for gamers
I wonder if ASUS has plans to provide a firmware update for the PG32UCDM - bringing with it the latest OSD features.
Which ones
I have a pg32ucdm and i dont see any flicker
Interesting that Asus is trying to offer some kind of flicker mitigation, but this solution seems very situational. What's your opinion on Samsung's anti-flicker setting on the G6 and G8? Would you say it overall works better than Asus feature or worse?
Samsung's 'VRR Control' is very different and is covered in our review of the G60SD - ruclips.net/video/eOxgwdze7OM/видео.htmlsi=jNsQaIdEf96RFo7o&t=3554.
Samsung uses basically vsync on monitors side, not VRR.
So i found a solution that worked for me in Blurbusters forum , it eliminated the flickers completely and i tested the screen for tearing and freesync worked well with no flickers and freesync range of 20-240 hz .
in CRU, to get rid of the VRR flicker even at 240Hz by simply keeping the refresh rate (239.973Hz) and selecting "Exact" in "timings." This also lowers the pixel clock.
i tested frame skipping and i don't notice anything skipping on slo mo camera .
hope that helps .
VRR-Flicker was the reason to sent back my OLED Monitor (Samsung G80SD), VRR-Control is no option because it raises latency and introduces tearing. Its really a shame for this major drawback on OLED monitors.
Fascinating stuff cheers, I haven't got an oled but hope to try it someday.
I have been trying to make OLED work for me, but I guess i'm super sensitive to VRR flicker...I have bought and returned 3 different OLED monitors...The flickering drives me absolutely crazy! I play alot of darker games, which look beautiful on OLED, but every single one of them flicker like crazy...I even upgraded my GPU to a 4080 super thinking that might help with the fluctuations, but honestly it just made it worse...I guess maybe I will hold out for a while longer until they can figure out a solution to this...I really want OLED, but i'm think about going with a mini LED for now...I have never used a mini LED though, so i'm not sure how much better it will look than what I have right now...
Just disable VRR and/or try out different V-SYNC implementations. You'd be surprised how often things just look fine.
@@dotxyn I did try turning off VRR and I tried capping my FPS, but after using VRR for the last 8 years it looks rough without it now...After spending $3500 on my PC and another $800 on my monitor, I would rather not have to compromise like that...I know these are 1st world problems, but I really enjoy PC gaming and I want the best experience I can...I love the look of OLED, but it's just not worth dealing with the flicker or giving up VRR...I just ordered an Odyssey G8 OLED to try out, but if it has flicker I think will just try a mini LED and see how I like it...
just turn off vrr/gsync whatever you dont need it all it just adds input latency
VA mini led panels have even worse VRR flicker
@@rossmarbow-combatflightsim5922 G-sync doesn't add latency, V-sync does though...I have been playing with G-sync for many years and I have no intention of playing games on an $800 monitor without it...I will just keep looking until I find a monitor that works for me.
thx for the video!
I'm trying to find out more about the issue in general before getting a new monitor. Does capping your frame rate to a value you can hit most of the time helm with the issue? I usually prefer to do that anyway, because I tend to notice fluctuations in responsiveness. My only experience is with a G-Sync 144 Hz IPS monitor on a laptop and I've never noticed flickering. I don't know if that's because it's not there or because I don't notice it.
@@vesselinkrastev IPS models don't typically have this issue. Frame rate caps will help limit fluctuations and therefore minimise any issue with this.
I tried Asus 32UCDM and then LG 32GS95UX and both of the monitors caused a horrible eye strain which after a while grown to a reallly bad headache. I had to sell the monitors and go back to IPS.
Is the anti flicker available on the pg32ucdm? I don't remember seeing it anywhere.
No. I've only seen it so far on ASUS WOLED models, but it might make its way to others with firmware updates.
@PCMonitors ah, that's unfortunate. I was hoping I just over looked it somehow, thanks for the response and great videos 🙏
A new firmware will be released for the UCDM, where the same options as the WOLED are implemented, improvements in HDR among other things, it was announced on the Asus Rog forum.
@@yoyigugood to hear but can you share the forum link in which they have stated about this?? Any help would be appreciated 👍👍
I dont have the issue with my LG CX Oled TV. But i got it with my asus 480 hz oled monitor.
Right? I never saw this on my CX. I see it very obviously on my new Asus XG27AQDMG.
Yeah, because you are only running at 120 FPS if you go into windows and limit your frame rate on your monitor to 120 the flicker goes away it’s something to do with high refresh rate
@@Goblue734 Nah it has to do with VRR aka GSYNC. I played on CX through PC and got all kinds of varying framerates and it never flickered once, which is weird.
In your experience, which OLED monitor has the best anti-flicker setting? Considering that the one on Asus is subpar
Most don't feature such a setting and I haven't come across a setting that's "better" than what ASUS offers. VRR flickering on OLEDs would need a solution that isn't currently available to solve.
Any news or updates for UCDM firmware with all these features? It’s not fair Asus ditching equally expensive model (UCDM) in-order to boost up UCDP sales!! It’s been 6 months since UCDM received firmware update. As a consumer Im disappointed with these kind of strategies 👎🏻👎🏻
@@Arno641 I haven't heard anything recently, I also expected there to be some updates for that one by now.
I really want to buy this monitor, it's currently on a sale for 550 euros, but right when i wanted to place my order, i read something about VRR flickering. Would you say this is a dealbreaker? Will it ruin the experience? Is there a better monitor you recommend for that price?
thanks
I'd recommend watching the video as it covers what VRR flickering is and gives some examples of it. It's not about one specific monitor. VRR flickering is entirely subjective and depends on the fluctuations occuring as to whether it's annoying or not.
Hello PC Monitors, Which one do you think is better ? ASUS AQDMG or SAMSUNG G6 ? Please be honest, I'm torn between them and if it was you, which one you would buy ?
My recommendations are clear - pcmonitors.info/articles/best-gaming-monitors/. But it's entirely subjective, really, you should watch both reviews and decide for yourself. Screen surface differences, panel technology differences and refresh rate differences for example are explored there and must be considered.
I see faint black bars moving from top to bottom, is that typical in an oled panel? I've heard it usually happens at high FPS and low brightness. Could cause eye strain.
Do you mean you see them on your own OLED or in this video? OLEDs have slight cyclical dips in brightness which the vast majority of users will not find uncomfortable. These aren't to be confused with the much larger fluctuations that PWM causes. You're more likely to notice these at lower brightness and LOWER refresh rates (not higher).
@@PCMonitors Thanks for the clarification, I've been considering getting a new monitor . do you think lg 27gs95qeb is a good choice for video editing and occasional gaming. for me there are 2 things to consider: no eyestrain and acceptable text clarity. not sure if I should get it for my use case or not.
It might be worth considering a QD-OLED. They will offer you superior text (and UI element) clarity and a wider gamut which may or may not be of use to you. Our recommendation includes a matte QD-OLED as well - pcmonitors.info/articles/best-gaming-monitors/.
What do you need to do to get the anti-flicker setting to not be greyed out on the asus OSD?
You need to be actually using VRR (Adaptive-Sync enabled in OSD), ELMB can't be used and some other settings like PiP/PbP would have to be disabled. If in doubt perform a factory reset in the OSD.
@@PCMonitors I think my issue is i'm using HDMI and I read on a reddit post that this setting only works over Display Port for some reason, even though the HDMI input is slightly better spec wise than the DP one i think
I'm looking into the MSI MPG321URX or the LG- 32GS95UE for PS5 use don't pc game much. Will either of those monitor be ok or flickering as well be noticeable?
It's very subjective, depending on your own sensitivity to it and the specific frame rate fluctuations occuring. Some people who find it particularly annoying for certain games (as frame rate is very unstable) might simply prefer to disable VRR.
Hi can you tell me please how tall is the stand without monitor, I can't find this info anywhere?
Sorry, don't have the monitor with me to measure that.
A mere 2222 EUR at local Amazon. Pocket change really./s
Yeah!
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@@PCMonitors Just read the announcement on German news site that AOC will soon release 4K 32" 165Hz oled. 850 ish EUR. Review possible? Edit: name Agon Pro AG326UD
It's possible at some point. But models are prioritised which are available in the US, where most of our supporting users are based.
That flicker is wrecking some people’s eyes who are sensitive to PWM. Hardly anyone mentions this because everyone is obsessed with OLED. For some people it causes bad eye strain and headaches.
Manage your game settings then cap the framerate just below the average and you'll never see it in game. You also get a much more consistent experience.
you might be right in some cases but not in general. i can see high frequency flicker or pwm, do not give me headache but it is annoying. would be more accurate and call even oscillations as a frequency and the oled has uneven frequency as flicker. and the flicker is so low, i guess at 90hz so it is more like a flashing.
the flicker oled has is low frequency, anyone can see it. the high frequency of pwm most people can not see it but feel the negative effects.
just turn off vrr its trash tech anyway you dont need it at all
@@rossmarbow-combatflightsim5922wtf retardeed comment
This as well happening using monitor for console or its only issue on PC?
It's for any device where the frame rate fluctuates and isn't stable, so consoles definitely suffer from this.
@@PCMonitors yes on Xbox series x console on Call Of Duty fps drops from 120fps to 78fps sometimes so I will see it this way too because I want to buy OLED but I don't know if it makes sense if I play on IPS without Flicker issue if it's going to be like this on console as well I'd rather not risk it?
@@C23451 It's very subjective, it doesn't bother everyone even with those sorts of fluctuations. And some are happy to play without VRR which will eliminate VRR flickering.
@@PCMonitors yes on PC you have more fps to play without vrr on console too much FPS drops and only 120fps not even stable 120fps to play without vrr this is problem
@C23451 It's not a problem for everyone, it depends on sensitivity to stuttering. But you're correct that it would be more noticeable than where frame rate is much higher.
Is it normal to be getting this kind of flicker during web browsing? In my settings menu the refresh rate stays at 240hz yet the monitor still flickers. When I'm playing a game the flickering almost completely stops or is at least unnoticeable. It's mainly during web browsing, especially during dark scenes/when using dark mode that I notice it
Does that go away if you disable VRR? Do you have an AMD or Nvidia GPU?
@ I haven’t tested with VRR disabled yet but I’ll try this and see. I have an nvidia gpu
@@PCMonitors Disabling VRR fixes it but I thought flickering shouldn't occur while web browsing
@sofiasofa99 It can still occur depending on web browser and hardware acceleration used. Do you have G-Sync set only to "Fullscreen" and not also for windowed applications? That might help.
@ it does it in both chrome and Firefox and also does it in applications like discord. It’s strange because it seems to go through phases where one minute it flickers a ton and the next it’s completely fine. I’ll try changing gysnc to only enable in fullscreen though. I have a 4080 super if that’s means anything, was figuring I shouldn’t be getting fps fluctuations outside of games with that gpu
Ok I’m new to oled does this only happen with vrr is enabled?
Yes, hence the name "VRR flicker". 😉
is it also normal to have vrr flicker if the framerate is consistent? i got the 240hz glossy woled from rog and it only ever flickers when im sitting at the nvcp vsync cap of 225 fps
absolutely no flickering if i turn off vsync in the driver and just cap the fps to 225 through riva (gsync is still actively working)
Sounds like something odd is going on with the Nvidia cap, maybe it's causing very brief changes in refresh rate that are triggering VRR flicker.
@@PCMonitors could frame generation be the cause?
@@fullmeddljacket8486 Certainly could be.
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this one or the lg version is better overall ?
I haven't used the LG 32GS95UE myself (their PR team in the UK is useless to non-existent), but the general concensus seems to be that the ASUS is better. To name but a few gripes I'd have with the LG. It has an annoying thing called 'CPC' under SDR - forum.pcmonitors.info/topic/cpc-with-lg-27gs95qe/#post-76268. And you can't use VRR with the 480Hz mode like you can on the ASUS.
@@PCMonitors thanks I will go for the asus model no VRR in 480hz mode is a deal breaker but you can use it on the asus I think as for the CPC issue you can turn it off with the LG universal remote
Indeed the ASUS does have VRR with its 480Hz mode. Turning off CPC is a pain on the LG, there are some caveats to doing that - forum.pcmonitors.info/topic/asus-pg27aqdm-vs-lg-27gr95qe-and-thoughts-on-acer-and-corsair-variants/#post-73013. Specifically it affects the automatic running of cleaning cycles and if the monitor goes into a standby state you need to go back into the service menu to re-enable CPC. I used to own the 27GR95QE and that was, for me, a real pain.
We need "underdrive" :P OLED pixels are so fast that they cause VRR flicker so an anti-flicker feature should probably artificially increase pixel response time. It's no wonder IPS panels never flicker, while FastIPS and TN do.
But VA models are the worst offenders (for different reasons).
Underdrive would be nice for watching movies and 30fps games. Fast response times cause judder in low fps content
Fastest IPS do not flicker, I use one of the fastest, while VA flicker without exceptions, people don't know what they are talking about, but in short it is because of gamma shift/change at different refresh rate.
As always great content!
Which monitor with IPS panel and antyflicker technology you could recommend for someone with eye sensitive eyes in around the £300?
I end up returning the Koorui GP1, as being too bright for me, but your great review was the reason for getting it in first place.
I do not really need a gaming monitor, but would benefit if at least 75Hz.
Keep on this stunning videos, rolling dude, we n3ed you! There is not much of content of this caliber on the net 👏
Yeah, the Koorui only goes down to ~100 nits so I can see why that would be a problem with sensitive eyes. If you liked that model apart from the fact it was uncomfortable (I know it's hard to assess it with that in mind), how about the AOC version? pcmonitors.info/reviews/aoc-q24g2a-bk/. That goes down to 64 nits which is significantly dimmer (though still not super dim).
Search in RTINGS ips monitors with PWM backlight control and with low minimal brightness (30-60cdm), IPS very very rarely have visible VRR flicker, so this should not be a problem.
very good
Personally, I find VRR flicker very annoying. I have the MSI 321URX and prefer VRR disabled entirely. I have used 3x V-SYNC with some success, and some games display minimal tearing depending on the framerate, but overall I find dealing with each solution's drawbacks better than seeing flicker.
Some people will definitely find VRR flicker a lot more annoying than any tearing (VSync off) or stuttering (VSync on) they'd observe and I fully understand it. I'd love to see VRR flickering properly mitigated on OLEDs one day. It was somewhat reduced on the AW3423DW as it had a G-SYNC module, though it was still an issue.
@@PCMonitors why would the flicker behave any better with a G-Sync module? Wouldn't it make it worse, if anything, since the display is able to go all the way down to 1Hz? I think it must be just panel variance.
Well it's definitely not panel variance, given other models using that same panel but lacking the module have (as confirmed by multiple users and me) more noticeable VRR flickering.
Nvidia seems to perform some gamma compensation to offset it. And going down to lower refresh rates isn't necessarily an issue for VRR flickering. Actually it can help, because you don't have a distinct LFC boundary where the refresh rate will suddenly jump to a multiple of the frame rate after you fall below it. This video demonstrated what happened when you keep crossing that LFC boundary. Either way though, if your game is running anywhere close to 1Hz (actually it usually cuts off at 10-15Hz then uses LFC) then you've got bigger worries.
@@PCMonitors besides the traditional double and triple buffering, are there different implementations of vsync that look better than others, with some games having little to no stuttering? does having faster hardware mitigate issues with vsync?
@@dotxyn Stuttering with VSync on is always an issue when the refresh rate doesn't precisely match up with the frame rate of the content (or stick perfectly to a multiple of it - which is very difficult to achieve in practice). It doesn't matter what form of VSync is used, this is always going to be a problem.
So every OLED MONITOR will have this issue then?... Because if so i refuse to buy it if so... Unless you can disable VRR and don't see such flickers (But what'd be the inconveniences then?)
No PS5 nor any console use btw, just PC games and movies/photoshop
Yes. It is called VRR flicker because it occurs under VRR, with significant fluctuations (as explored in the video). Disabling VRR eliminates this, but then you get tearing (VSync off) or stuttering (VSync on), which VRR is designed to defeat. Not everyone is sensitive to that and it's less noticable at higher refresh rates.
@@PCMonitors I don't notice tearing on my TN at 120hz with a 5800X3D + 4070 Super on games with limited 120FPS and V-Sync off, so this shouldn't be a problem with the OLED then if VRR is turned off, right?...
Yeah, that should be fine for you.
Might be worth working on your audio. It's very boomy on my speakers.
fine on my end.
Yeah, it seems to be fine for most people. Exact same audio used in the PG32UCDP review (which this is just a section of). That has had thousands of views, quite a few comments and 0 audio complaints. It might be that this video has just been uploaded and you can't use "Stable Volume" yet, because it needs to process further for that.
I want an oled so bad but this is a dealbreaker.
Yup, gonna be a few years more R&D before it can be remotely considered
I like my MSI.
Which model do you have?
Unacceptable for the price.
lol at least high kills the whole benefit of VRR.
Just turn gsync off its meme tech
meme tech ? I dont think so, gsync (or freesync) is just incredible when u hate tearing or stuttering and probably the best tech on last 10 years for gamers
@@fredericchambon3820 keep telling yourself that crap
Lol what a waste of time
The technology or the video? 😛
@@PCMonitors the tech! Anti flicker that still flickers
OLED is crap and this anti-flicker is absolute gargabe marketing crap!
vrr is crap but I agree this is just cope