Smaller files at high quality. Newer codecs are the staple of anime fans. So I'm guessing some anime fans are asking about AV1. Me being an anime fan... You won't find many UHD (HEVC) movies in AV1 unless someone has converted it to AV1. AV1 makes files smaller than HEVC and at a slightly high quality.
If they had renamed Van Helsing to Van Beckinsale, and removed the dude from the poster, it would've done twice the numbers. Probably more. Expecting an A310 tomorrow. Hyped. Thanks for the video!
Dude from tenet is Denzel’s son, TIL. I never hear anyone talk about From, not a lot of horror shows out there and this one kicks ass. Main guy totally carries it. I’m down with any improvements with compression, better quality/smaller file size, whether it’s HEVC or AV1. I’m mostly interested with how affordable gpus handle them and if the drivers and/or plex support them. I run truenas (freebsd) which doesn’t have arc support yet. I just stick to direct play formats.
Direct Play is always the way to go, these are just to test the strength of gpu. Sucks TrueNas didnt add support for Arc yet. Sooner or later i guess they will. Yea, From is amazing. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Brother thanks 🙏🏻 for the low down on AV1 I gotta stop syncing with TrASh 🗑️ Guides 🤣 PS. A Bronx Tale was a great film, Especially Directed by Deniro!
Looks like RUclips ate my last comment (probably because I included a link). There's no hardware HDR tonemapping support on the release version of Plex with intel igpu's/ARC. There is a preview build available on the plex forums you could check out. It might explain the extra CPU overhead with AV1 transcodes.
Huh ? Hardware transcoding for hdr tone mapping isn't currently supported only on windows using intel igpu/gpus, on linux it's fully supported for years now. (since february, there's a preview version that makes it work on windows for intel igpu from 11th gen and arc gpus)
Is there much difference between this and the a380 for transcoding? I am in a tight spot with needing a single slot or give up the only other PCIE slot next to my x16 slot. If they are the same, ill get the 310 over 380.
Hardware transcoding with hdr tone mapping isn't support on windows officially yet on intel igpu/gpus. (there's a plex preview beta dating back to febryary this year that includes the fix to make it work for 11+th gen intel igpu and gpus) For years it has been supported on linux tho. You could just build a low power intel cpu server with no dgpu, just an igpu (UHD 630 can transcode up to 5-6 4k to 1080p streams no issue, it's included in intel cpus since 6th/7th gen)
@@ConAnd81 Ill try that out soon but i believe i read somewhere that Linux doesnt support Intel Arc Av1 coding, im not sure though. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Im interested in av1 as it gets better becuase I have a large library and one day id like to transcode everything on the server to high quality av1 so i can recoup the storage space at minimal clarity loss.
@@GeekShhh This guy did that: ruclips.net/video/1QXZYBeC0DU/видео.htmlsi=Ek2SZ6RvIyDCUHUn . If I recall correctly, he said around a 50% recoup - same quality.
Does this only does AV1 or will it do others also? I'm trying to get back into computers after 20 plus yrs. We didn't need GPUs anyway I am building a home server and I'm seeing that I may need a GPU just to do the transcoding I was thinking about getting something small cheap it will only be for a couple of TVs in the house thinking about this asrock A310 or that little $99 sparkle I think you did it on your site I think it only did maybe between 3 or 5 vids. Which would you recommend if you had to choose the little sparkle or this A310? I do kind of like the little look of this but it takes up two spaces
The resizing doesn't really use the GPU for AV1 files, that's why the CPU topped out at 100% and the videos started to buffer. But using H264 the GPU does the decoding, resizing and encoding, putting a lot less demand on the CPU but higher load on the GPU. That was why the server/NAS could handle nine concurrent streams of the Under the Dome episodes (they were encoded using AV1) but far more concurrent episodes of The Wire that was encoded using H264. The H264 encoded files cause a bit more load on the GPU but far less on the CPU. As the GPU has support for H264 it is very efficient at both decoding and encoding these files, so the server/NAS can handle more concurrent users watching video. Direct play without resizing is the most efficient for the Server/NAS as it doesn't really need to do anything but serve the data without changing anything. Now different GPU have slightly different capabilities for this so a Nvidia, AMD or Intel GPU will differ. Intel is pretty good at this and even the integrated GPU in their processors supports what is called Quick Sync. This is pretty capable and can be improved by adding a second Intel GPU such as a A380. If I remember correctly it says in the intel website that adding a A380 to a computer that have an Intel processor with integrated GPU will increase encoding performance by 40%. the A380 is a pretty cheap card priced at about $120. If you need higher performance Intel has some more advanced cards such as the ARC Pro A40, A50 and A60 GPU. I have no idea about how the performance matches when compared to the A380 though. There's also a A310, though again I don't know anything about what performance can be expected considering video encoding performance compared to the A380 or the A580, A750 or A770. So hopefully others will know more. Now if you are looking at buiiding a server or NAS that will support Plex and it's only for your home and say three users you would probably be OK with a intel processors with integrated GPU. if you are looking at supporting a lot of users then adding a A380 or something like that will probably handle your needs.
You cannot measure transcode power on the same system. You need resources for playing videos, and also resources for transcoding. If you do it on the same machine, it is not really a good test. You need to have like a dedicated linux or windows plex server, and watch on different machine. AV1 is heavy on CPU, that is why you can't play more then three 4K videos. You are bottlenecked with your CPU, not GPU
Yea im playing the videos and screen recording on my Hackintosh computer via Google Chrome and im using remote desktop to view the HWinFO on my dedicated Windows Plex server. When you see me go from the web browser to the Hwinfo, its essentially me switching computers. Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@GeekShhh This can actually be another problem, as there are issues with RDP and plex transcode on intel devices as well. Better to just use the remote monitoring functionality in hwinfo for that.
Hi, just upgraded my plex server to an I7-9700t (35w) with an arc a380 lp and 48gb of ram. What runs plex the best, the igpu or the arc gpu. Maybe a VS video would be cool.
Very nice set up. Did you find the Intel Arc to give you a massive uptick in performance? Also i have a video transcode test on my igpu(10400) on my channel if you want to see the difference. Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@GeekShhh I did find better performance but i had to do a few things, one was use the intel preview build of plex that does hdr transcoding and by doing that i found out i was still on the 32bit build. Also going from the i3 9100 to the 17 9700t helped alot too not only with performance overall but with power consumtion too. After I posted that i went threw some of your other videos and was able to find the difference between the igpu and the arc. From your testing I think it was 7 transcodes for the igpu and 9 on the arc. Great stuff man. Really helped me with my plex experience. was starting not to like plex because i thought i was just limited to 1080p stuff but now i can 4k even with hdr, its back to being amazing.
why would you need to store stuff in some format that requires transcoding. just use direct http/s file transfer over normal web server video player. pre-transcoded. smarter or harder.
...Maybe because you still want to watch it locally in the original resolution and bitrate, but you may not have the bandwidth to stream that, and you don't want to store two copies of the same file to have one pre-transcoded? Maybe you also want your collection organized and to have access to an app to stream it on practically every device? Maybe you don't want to have to tunnel into your home network via a VPN to watch your content and don't want to have to deal with the hassle of setting up a reverse proxy to expose something to the web? Maybe you can't even host a local webserver due to ISP limitations (CG-NAT, for instance). I could go on and on. So, tell me which one is smarter or harder here.
if you lack bandwidth then just let it buffer on the device you want to stream it to, if you want to keep the original quality file only. otherwise just keep the 4K and the 1080p versions and even 720p, the lower resolution files are much smaller than the original. you can also use more aggressive compression on the secondary files etc. a non-issue.@@smokecrackhailsatan
@@gsestream Why on earth would you want to keep multiple copies of the same file around, when you can save yourself the space and just transcode it on the fly using whatever profile you want to? No response to any of the other more serious technical issues with just streaming over a home hosted web server, I see. Brain worms are real, apparently.
why do you think youtube uses static pre-transcoding instead of on-the-fly transcoding. ie all the formats are on a separate file.@@smokecrackhailsatan
Smaller files at high quality. Newer codecs are the staple of anime fans. So I'm guessing some anime fans are asking about AV1. Me being an anime fan...
You won't find many UHD (HEVC) movies in AV1 unless someone has converted it to AV1. AV1 makes files smaller than HEVC and at a slightly high quality.
That makes sense, thanks for watching and commenting!
I'm here for the subtle quips like, "why yo girl calling me rn?" lmao that was great!
LoL! Thanks for watching and commenting!
If they had renamed Van Helsing to Van Beckinsale, and removed the dude from the poster, it would've done twice the numbers. Probably more.
Expecting an A310 tomorrow. Hyped.
Thanks for the video!
😂 That def would of done the trick. Ahhh man let us know what you think about it once you get it going!
Dude from tenet is Denzel’s son, TIL. I never hear anyone talk about From, not a lot of horror shows out there and this one kicks ass. Main guy totally carries it. I’m down with any improvements with compression, better quality/smaller file size, whether it’s HEVC or AV1. I’m mostly interested with how affordable gpus handle them and if the drivers and/or plex support them. I run truenas (freebsd) which doesn’t have arc support yet. I just stick to direct play formats.
Direct Play is always the way to go, these are just to test the strength of gpu. Sucks TrueNas didnt add support for Arc yet. Sooner or later i guess they will. Yea, From is amazing. Thanks for watching and commenting!
also here for the honest movie/show reviews
Brother thanks 🙏🏻 for the low down on AV1 I gotta stop syncing with TrASh 🗑️ Guides 🤣
PS. A Bronx Tale was a great film, Especially Directed by Deniro!
Lol Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@GeekShhh Too easy when you're the only guy talking about AV1 on Plex on RUclipsZ
Looks like RUclips ate my last comment (probably because I included a link). There's no hardware HDR tonemapping support on the release version of Plex with intel igpu's/ARC. There is a preview build available on the plex forums you could check out. It might explain the extra CPU overhead with AV1 transcodes.
Ahhh Ic, ill def look into that. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Huh ? Hardware transcoding for hdr tone mapping isn't currently supported only on windows using intel igpu/gpus, on linux it's fully supported for years now. (since february, there's a preview version that makes it work on windows for intel igpu from 11th gen and arc gpus)
Is there much difference between this and the a380 for transcoding? I am in a tight spot with needing a single slot or give up the only other PCIE slot next to my x16 slot. If they are the same, ill get the 310 over 380.
Look on my channel I did a transcode test w the same movies using the A380
Hardware transcoding with hdr tone mapping isn't support on windows officially yet on intel igpu/gpus. (there's a plex preview beta dating back to febryary this year that includes the fix to make it work for 11+th gen intel igpu and gpus) For years it has been supported on linux tho. You could just build a low power intel cpu server with no dgpu, just an igpu (UHD 630 can transcode up to 5-6 4k to 1080p streams no issue, it's included in intel cpus since 6th/7th gen)
Check out my UHD630 transcode video on my channel. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Would these 4k->720p transcodes run lighter on the CPU with an A310 on a Linux system, like Unraid for example?
@@ConAnd81 Ill try that out soon but i believe i read somewhere that Linux doesnt support Intel Arc Av1 coding, im not sure though. Thanks for watching and commenting!
its been updated may10 is the latest build date. hdr tone mapping now works with arc and my 9th gen cpu.
Im interested in av1 as it gets better becuase I have a large library and one day id like to transcode everything on the server to high quality av1 so i can recoup the storage space at minimal clarity loss.
Interesting...How much TB do you think you'll recoup? Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@GeekShhh This guy did that: ruclips.net/video/1QXZYBeC0DU/видео.htmlsi=Ek2SZ6RvIyDCUHUn . If I recall correctly, he said around a 50% recoup - same quality.
Does this only does AV1 or will it do others also? I'm trying to get back into computers after 20 plus yrs. We didn't need GPUs anyway I am building a home server and I'm seeing that I may need a GPU just to do the transcoding I was thinking about getting something small cheap it will only be for a couple of TVs in the house thinking about this asrock A310 or that little $99 sparkle I think you did it on your site I think it only did maybe between 3 or 5 vids. Which would you recommend if you had to choose the little sparkle or this A310? I do kind of like the little look of this but it takes up two spaces
The resizing doesn't really use the GPU for AV1 files, that's why the CPU topped out at 100% and the videos started to buffer. But using H264 the GPU does the decoding, resizing and encoding, putting a lot less demand on the CPU but higher load on the GPU. That was why the server/NAS could handle nine concurrent streams of the Under the Dome episodes (they were encoded using AV1) but far more concurrent episodes of The Wire that was encoded using H264. The H264 encoded files cause a bit more load on the GPU but far less on the CPU. As the GPU has support for H264 it is very efficient at both decoding and encoding these files, so the server/NAS can handle more concurrent users watching video.
Direct play without resizing is the most efficient for the Server/NAS as it doesn't really need to do anything but serve the data without changing anything.
Now different GPU have slightly different capabilities for this so a Nvidia, AMD or Intel GPU will differ. Intel is pretty good at this and even the integrated GPU in their processors supports what is called Quick Sync. This is pretty capable and can be improved by adding a second Intel GPU such as a A380. If I remember correctly it says in the intel website that adding a A380 to a computer that have an Intel processor with integrated GPU will increase encoding performance by 40%. the A380 is a pretty cheap card priced at about $120.
If you need higher performance Intel has some more advanced cards such as the ARC Pro A40, A50 and A60 GPU. I have no idea about how the performance matches when compared to the A380 though.
There's also a A310, though again I don't know anything about what performance can be expected considering video encoding performance compared to the A380 or the A580, A750 or A770. So hopefully others will know more.
Now if you are looking at buiiding a server or NAS that will support Plex and it's only for your home and say three users you would probably be OK with a intel processors with integrated GPU. if you are looking at supporting a lot of users then adding a A380 or something like that will probably handle your needs.
You cannot measure transcode power on the same system. You need resources for playing videos, and also resources for transcoding. If you do it on the same machine, it is not really a good test. You need to have like a dedicated linux or windows plex server, and watch on different machine. AV1 is heavy on CPU, that is why you can't play more then three 4K videos. You are bottlenecked with your CPU, not GPU
Yea im playing the videos and screen recording on my Hackintosh computer via Google Chrome and im using remote desktop to view the HWinFO on my dedicated Windows Plex server. When you see me go from the web browser to the Hwinfo, its essentially me switching computers. Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@GeekShhh This can actually be another problem, as there are issues with RDP and plex transcode on intel devices as well. Better to just use the remote monitoring functionality in hwinfo for that.
Hi, just upgraded my plex server to an I7-9700t (35w) with an arc a380 lp and 48gb of ram. What runs plex the best, the igpu or the arc gpu. Maybe a VS video would be cool.
Very nice set up. Did you find the Intel Arc to give you a massive uptick in performance? Also i have a video transcode test on my igpu(10400) on my channel if you want to see the difference. Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@GeekShhh I did find better performance but i had to do a few things, one was use the intel preview build of plex that does hdr transcoding and by doing that i found out i was still on the 32bit build. Also going from the i3 9100 to the 17 9700t helped alot too not only with performance overall but with power consumtion too.
After I posted that i went threw some of your other videos and was able to find the difference between the igpu and the arc. From your testing I think it was 7 transcodes for the igpu and 9 on the arc.
Great stuff man. Really helped me with my plex experience. was starting not to like plex because i thought i was just limited to 1080p stuff but now i can 4k even with hdr, its back to being amazing.
forgot to add that i use a 16 ram drive using imDisk for the transcoding drive to save my ssd writes.
why would you need to store stuff in some format that requires transcoding. just use direct http/s file transfer over normal web server video player. pre-transcoded. smarter or harder.
...Maybe because you still want to watch it locally in the original resolution and bitrate, but you may not have the bandwidth to stream that, and you don't want to store two copies of the same file to have one pre-transcoded? Maybe you also want your collection organized and to have access to an app to stream it on practically every device? Maybe you don't want to have to tunnel into your home network via a VPN to watch your content and don't want to have to deal with the hassle of setting up a reverse proxy to expose something to the web? Maybe you can't even host a local webserver due to ISP limitations (CG-NAT, for instance).
I could go on and on.
So, tell me which one is smarter or harder here.
if you lack bandwidth then just let it buffer on the device you want to stream it to, if you want to keep the original quality file only. otherwise just keep the 4K and the 1080p versions and even 720p, the lower resolution files are much smaller than the original. you can also use more aggressive compression on the secondary files etc. a non-issue.@@smokecrackhailsatan
@@gsestream Why on earth would you want to keep multiple copies of the same file around, when you can save yourself the space and just transcode it on the fly using whatever profile you want to? No response to any of the other more serious technical issues with just streaming over a home hosted web server, I see.
Brain worms are real, apparently.
why would you want to need to use plex at all.@@smokecrackhailsatan
why do you think youtube uses static pre-transcoding instead of on-the-fly transcoding. ie all the formats are on a separate file.@@smokecrackhailsatan