Why MMORPGS Are So Antisocial Now | Xaryu Reacts
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The thing is all games suffer with the same issue, it's not just WoW. I think when Vanilla WoW first launched it was just the golden days of the early internet when everything was fresh and new and exciting and you could talk with people from all over the world, as time went on people just stopped caring so much about that kind of thing, too many bad experiences have made a lot of us prefer to just game with a few close friends or solo instead of taking chances with randoms. I don't really think there's a way to fix these issues. We just desperately want that nostalgia and it's never coming back.
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Games are just a reflection of society as a whole. People don't hardly look at each other in public anymore, much less have friendly conversations. People in general have become far more socially isolated/anti-social the past 5 years or so.. really since covid. This sort of anti-social attitude combined with the 'max efficiency no XP waste' mindset has turned gaming into what it is today.
@bobcobb158 ppl look at me an I look at them in public everytime I go out that's not true the on defias server the general chat and lfg always popping never see it not going off IDK y ppl think shit dead but if you play it u would wonder why ppl think it's dead also cause it's far from anti social
@@arthistisblack it's u bud after u writing this I wouldn't talk with u either holy crap go outside lol
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Speaking from my own experience, I started playing wow during burning crusade when I worked at the post office third shift a friend introduced me to the game and I’ve played ever since with the exception of taking a four year leave after cataclysm when I played I was in a very active guild raiding doing dungeons, etc. now that I’m older, I have two young kids and another one on the way so I really don’t have the time for socializing in a game because I have to be able to put it down at a given notice and to be honest in this day and age there is so much drama when it comes to Guils and various social medias that it’s, the most toxic environment to be in I have invested so much time in my characters. I love the fact that I built them up got all the achievements that I’ve gotten over the length of time that I’ve gotten that I don’t just wanna stop playing and move to single player games because single player games would be more in line with my time requirements, they just lack the depth that I like in wow
you should check out nioh2
2:03 bro had a moment of self reflecting, then came back 😂
As someone who has been playing ever since the release of TBC, I honestly think that the introduction of "accessibility systems" like Dungeon Finder, Group Finder and Raid Finder ruined the social aspect of WoW. Back then, every dungeon or raid that you did was done with other players from your server.
You couldn't form a group without interacting with other players and you had a reputation on your server. People who misbehaved or were toxic were quickly labelled on the server and people avoided playing with them. There's a reason why Name Change became a thing.
With the introduction to all these new systems which makes it way easier to form groups for content, we lose all the interactions we had with each other. Now you can just zoom through the dungeon without even saying a word and if someone is underperforming, they will be replaced instantly with a click of a button.
I miss the old days where your reputation on the server mattered. People were nice to each other, they tried their best and you got to know a lot of people simply by playing the game. The only people I know on my server now are my guildies, the rest are just strangers that I will most likely never interact with.
Chaos Bolt felt like an old school server, Blizzard killed it, Crusader strike feels like a lobby retail game. Deviate delight on era has that community server feel at the moment.
While I do agree with you, the problem with your argument is that we’re not “back in the day” (unfortunately). Most of us are adults who have jobs and families which bring time constraints, and personal commitment.
I do miss the old days when the game was more social. At least in my case, I’m glad they have these systems in place so I can jump in and drop the game in an instant if needed. It beats not being able to play at all.
This is also why I haven’t joined a raiding guild in years. I don’t want people to rely on me when there’s a high chance I cannot make it on time if at all. I also agree the systems in retail are way over the top, and along with abilities, they need to be reigned in a lot.
Some of the old ways of making a group I like but it was not better in all regards. I liked the fact that if you wanted to do a dungeon you had to physically go to that location. Somewhat related to that are post wipe runbacks. That sucks. Running back through a raid having to clear mobs adds nothing to the game and only goes to make raiding more annoying. People who raided and WoW and came to FF14 have all said how much nicer it is just to respawn at the boss. Some people say they loved that you use to have to talk with people to form a group. What I have experienced is that without LFG the interaction never ends up being sociable or enjoyable. Most times the interaction is an interrogation of someone inspecting you, asking for spec, and if you have done it before while they check your logs. There is rarely a personal interaction and it is all business. When you get into the content the interaction is the same as in retail now where you only talk if someone needs a mechanic explained. You are technically required to be social since you have to say something but it does not necessarily encourage positive social interaction.
Ideally for me there would be a board outside of every dungeon. You are still required to meet up at the location but forming a group would be easier. You can either choose to host or put up your character card on the board for recruitment. Your card would show all your character info and let you put any note you want to as well. If the host likes you they could then message you or send you an invite right away. Those who want to queue have an alternative with a little more friction. Those who don't want automatic grouping can still spam chat outside the dungeons or pick from those willing to post onto the board and go with anyone.
I started playing Everquest back in 1999, and my characters are still there. I reactivated in 2024 after going offline in 2008, and it was like coming home. It just...fits me. 🤷♂️
WoW, not so much. Played it for 6 months after it first came out, but it just seemed too cartoonish for me to take seriously. The visuals for EQ2 were great, but the lore clashed with EQ1 and I couldn't make it mesh in my mind; EQ1's was MUCH deeper, with puzzles and unanswered questions that persist 25 years after it came out. Gotta love that mystery.
im playing cata classic and i cant even convince my group to do the whole instance for the free quests because its not efficient enough
Here is the fix for knowing everything. Have each raid boss on pull take decreased damage, or aura to reduce healing for specific "specs" but randomly, and will have higher odds that "meta" specs are targeted. Basically a 50/50 if you are playing a meta spec you will do 20% less damage or healing. A more feel good version would be 50/50 shot if you are playing off meta you get +20% it would legitimately remove the garbage we have today minmax competing
for one, i agree with this man.
I ran 21 heroic dungeons yesterday in Cata without one player saying a word. I ran 30 in total but out of 30 / 21 had zero communication even when players were kicked. out of 30 / 7 had players removed and I voted NO on all 7 just because. However, I was outvoted every time, in fact, I'm positive most people did not even know what the person did to get kicked and just voted yes. I'm not sure why I tracked this but I did. The other 9 had very little communication, maybe less than 5-10 words. I have also noticed that in my realm Grubblus US Alliance there are tons of foreign players I think the majority. China, South America, and Germany, so many can't speak English on an English-speaking server. If I got one dollar for how many times I have seen the words (My Friend) in chat I would be rich. the reason servers and realms are separated by area is to allow players to communicate with the same language making it easy to have more communication but that is not the reality of it.
SoD feels different. I started playing three months ago and talk to people every single day, make groups, chat with guildies… It might be just me but so far people have been super nice and helped me out. Yes, finding tanks can take a while but not crazy much. You just have to be smart about when you do what type of content.
I find the same with Hardcore. I think maybe the lower amount of players might account for that. If you wanna do something other than leveling it’s absolutely necessary to interact with other people to form groups, get enchants etc. Sometimes I like that. Sometimes I don’t. Depends on my mood and time constraints.
Been playing hardcore for almost a year now, still insanely social and my favorite way to play wow in a long time. The difficulty forces people to help you kill elite quests, or help enchant your gear or when someone dies everyone knows that person and there are so many stories about each player. As a long form experiment I'd say hardcore nailed exactly what classic/sod/era and retail fail to acomplish as MMO's
Well you can put a limit to lfg like you can only join 2 times in a day, so that who wants to do more dungeon needs to socialize and who will play casually like us old folks can still stay in the game.
I personally would continue playing even if I was the only person logged in the server. That eerie feeling of being completely alone in an mmorpg is quite the atmosphere too. You are in Stormwind and you see something moving in the corner of the screen, you think it might be some other player finally loggin in but nope, it's those cursed children leaving Stormwind for Goldshire. You keep refreshing that /who window but it keeps saying 1.
I've always enjoyed those Object players, they are always down to take anyone and more often than not they aren't dumb they just aren't given the chance or given the resources to play correctly. Not all, but most.
Dave the Diver soundtrack going hard
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That's why its hard for me to leave retail WoW and im not sure how you guys do it. I played the same character since Vanilla, one of the best warlocks in my server, how do I all of a sudden give up on my character and play a different game like SoD or vanilla or another MMORPG? How did you guys give up on your main toon on retail that you started at vanilla...
Learn the art of letting go. Its rly simple, but hard to do.
How many times we gone see this topic hopefully some new input comes of this
26:45 My bro did Crusader dirty 🤣🤣 BIG DAM JUDGE
also back in early 2000´s for example with wow, there was not a guide for everything like today , you had to ask people ingame ,beeing lost with no clue in 2006 wow was the best mmo experience for me , it was not efficient but funny , itmae meconnected with the world and the people because we was in the same world
Can we get Xaryu’s twitch chat on screen in future react videos?
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Ew...
Well saying any in global chat gets your a communication suspension. Its killing wow
the Pikabo diss at the end, i love it
Too many people care for the nostalgia, for their past, that they forget to care about creating a great future to enjoy the moment. It's crazy how much depression you find on the internet and also in real life. It's sad. Maybe one day people will stop talking so much about Nostalgia, focus on making a better future and being more positive role models.
Issue with wow is they got rid of pvp servers, remember being a level 20, getting camped and you type to your guild members “I’m getting farmed can someone help me?” Then four hours later there’s a horde guild an alliance guild battle ing it out. Then everyone is tired for work the next day. Oh the good ole days, BEING BACK PVP SERVERS!!!
War mode still exists my guy. Consider the fact that it's an option yet barely anyone ever uses it to World Pvp. So why would they bring it back?
@@MrXingor because all of the people that want it on permanently would go to those servers? I promise you if you made just three servers into full on pvp they would be high pop all the time. Would bring back the community feeling again imo. It’s really a must. The war mode is terrible and the benefits are boring and pointless. World PvP forces everyone to be apart of it as it should. The wow feeling of 2 factions, horde vs alliance. lol what xpac did you start little man?
They said a while ago that we are living in an information era
15:00 you are "disagreeing" with what he said but what you said is agreeing with him
@xaryu I can tell you don't raid on retail, cuz ppl still show up with wrong shit UKEK
Damn sorry bro but ur raiding with some major noobs better find a better squad
Play classic era and you’ll find yourself interacting with other players
14:43 You're describing the same thing that he's describing. The POPULATION is losing patience.
That;s not what "losing" means. Xaryu is right, madseason is wrong as usual.
Its obvious why. Dungeon finder is probably the single reason why. You have no reason to rely on anyone
Personally the bigger the worse servers get.
There is a sweetspot just around 10k people per server (active ppl) like most Pservers are at launch. More players means more bad players, worse economy, less ability to farm, worse raids cause players are much less comitted cause theres always some other guild etc, more gdkpa which ruins the game (they dont exist on psrrvers at all)
Also ans most important to this video topic, more players means leas need to interact with others. (U simply just kick and replace ppl as u see fit cause theres so many ppl to choose from)
On Pservers you need to cultivate players, you need to have a good reputation and maintain and good appearance as a guild and individual for the best oportunities since everyone knows everyone more or less.
What Pserver you played on?
My experience on Pservers is a special community that only does the last raid tier, know only one way of doing things, if you don't know that way (that they won't tell you what they want you to do) in this PuG that you spent an hour or two waiting for them to fill they kick you then go back to spamming chat "LFM overgear the dungeon/raid know fights and show your achieve" and they still wipe for stupid reasons and blame people for being idiots. I got kicked from dungeon groups for not skipping trash that takes the same amount of time to clear as the skip.
The other part of Pserver experience I had was end up in a group and like one other person speaks some english and eventually I got pissed off cause I can't effectively communicate. The worst experience with trying to communicate was "Uh guys anyone speak Russian so I can explain to this guy how he needs to do mechanics?"
At least in retail back when I played and I queued dungeons with a guildmate and we explained "Hey new to this" or "It's an alt" the group was ok and carried us, Pserver people kicked my guildmate for being PVP geared in PVE, so I left was only doing the dungeon for him to get the dungeon quest anyway.
I've met some decent people on Pservers and I met decent people on retail, but the communities on Pservers are largely "special."
Both Pservers I played on start with W and end in mane.
@@NicholasBalanta which pserver have played ? Ive been on about 10 or so diffrent ones across 6 years and ive never had that experience once.
You must been on some small fringe server thats been fully progressed for some time (like warmane - icecrown or lordearon)
I have played every big new pservee that has existed in the last 6 years and never have i had that experience.
If u look at my YT channel here i have kill vids from each one of them, and if u check my twitch (Slashresto)
If u want good experience for a Pservers the best dev teams are Twinstar and Stormforge (the latter way better quality) and only play their fresh servers for the best experience.
For example Stormforge has a good MoP server atm in ToT and Twinstar has Athena (cata) and both servers do buffed content so as i said fresh servers is the best exp
Damn that's super interesting man, so why do private servers always die and GDKP is the most popular method of doing loot? Is it possible that you're just wrong and not everyone thinks the same way you do?
@@colenorton3853 Because just like classic fresh servers is always more enjoyable and ppl play for a few months then they jump to the next Pserver fresh launch then they jump between them until the 3rd etc.
If u look at Stormforge for example their servers are far from dead, up until classic cata launch there was 4-5k players on peak daily. (Im unsure since launch since ive not been on since).
Also GDKP is FAR from the most popular dude, the only reasons ppl play them is either A. Make money to sustain their mains or B. Their to shit to even get into raids without having to swipe their mothers credit card
The majority of pugs are just normal pugs and yes GDKP ruins the game and the majority of players would likely agree that it has a negative impact on their classic experience despite not interacting with them.
It ruins the server economy because the more GDKPs the more bots/goldsellers a server gets and the more spam u recive.
It takes away alot of immersion that used to exist in wow for new players who werent around the first time when all u see in capitols is gdkp or gold seller spam.
You can no longer have abit of banter in /2 like was very common back in the day. Sure GDKPs has existed since wotlk retail but nowhere near this prevalent as on classic where 90% of trade chat is filled with spam about em.
I think bgs are the solution they aready killed the world with war mode. They need warcraft 3 style bgs thats how to revive pvp and get pvers and new players into pvp. i dont wanna wait an hour to find a rbg, i dont wanna do arena its too much focus
idk about when he talks about getting new players into an MMO then shows new world. If anything new world showed the opposite. There was a lot of players and hype around the start but they shit the bed on the dev side of things and fucked the game up. Ofc its dead now but it had a ton of interest at the start.
Also many people in wow, specifically classic, ALWAYS calling for fresh.
Ill also add: Did the game get less social or did the interaction just move? I mean look at youtube comment sections, reddits, the forums, discords. How many people are constantly actually talking about wow and the game?
Haha i dont even have enchanted items because i dont want to interact with others
Cross-Realm ruined wow for me. The moment being in the top 10 on whatever server I was on held no merit was when wow died.
I don't have time, therefore I don't play. I'm not a child that can sit in front of a computer for 15 hours a day, and that's not healthy anyways.
wow as always been anti social and toxic, one of my earliest memory of playing vanilla wow is me getting /ignore after dming someone with cool looking gear to ask him a question
290 bench? rookie numbers
Because of streamers.
Madseason is using the term antisocial wrong. Not wanting to engage in social activities is not antisocial. Its asocial.
Antisocial is something else. Its when you get off on causing grief. Its when you steal or break other peoples property.
Antisocial behavior in wow is when you are on your max lvl rogue, griefing lowbies until they ragequit, because causing that frustration in others gives you a thrill.
And so wow has become more asocial, but less antisocial. SoD is antisocial, since it is a perfect arena for antisocial misfits to get their kicks at the expense of others.
Facebook is the main cause.
"Respect their time" is the most idiotic phrase when it comes to games. It's completely subjective on what is fun and what isn't. So cringe to hear that.
Exactly. Don't "respect" my time. Give me options and let me choose. Yeah, waiting for 72 hour spawn hour window sucks. But omg, when you get the mob AND get the drop???? Shit, ain't nothing better
The videos might be good but the narrators voice is just too monotone for me.
You must be reeeeeaaaalllllyyyyy new to Madseason.
@@chipchippahson I’ve only seen his videos when xar watches them and I don’t normally make it more than a minute in.
People are anti social in MMOs because the world has become more anti social in general for several reasons.
Political polarization affected WoW in a big way, and people are tired of hearing it and dealing with it in game.
That’s just one example, there’s more, but people idealize individuality now and are more selfish in general. Things aren’t done for the experience they’re done to min max and be “the best” and that’s anti-thetical to MMORPG play.
I feel like in general most wow players are very cringe to talk to now. Even just glancing over at trade chat ppl are having the dumbest discussions.
Idiocracy
Nice you picked the only thing that has been the same over all expansions. Trade chat has always been that way.
@@austinb5656 My point is, is that it's worse recently
@@grahamm4814 ah you either must be new in the past couple years or just never payed attention. Trade chat has always been this way since the game released in vanilla.
You want a social game go play MO2
MO?
Wow community is amazing compare to some game league of legends toxic as hell and full of kids - old school RuneScape toxic community full off scammers trying to take your items wow is pretty general good community compare to most other games
gimme season of cooperation, all mobs are elite! Lets force some grouping up :)
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dont need watch this, madseason thinks mmorpg's are anti social because when he plays them all he does is talk to his small 3 person friend grp and will only play with them lmao then blame it on everything else, the same with other streamers that have the same gatekeep mantality. go look at streamers that play with anyone thats online and tell me there streamers MMORPG exp in antisocial lmfao. madseaon so anti social himself he still using a classic hand of ratg in an opening thumb nail...losers are anti social not mmorpg's
Honestly, I've grown tired of these meta-explaining videos about MMOs. Just play the damn game and talk and interact with other people, and you'll have more fun. That's it. Dont need a 40 hour Madseason video to know that lol 😂
People just don't realize that it is us who have changed, that's why MMOs are different now. The world we live in has changed. Everything in life is accelerated.
I don't like the infinite content machine either. However, there's value to telling the story of the cultural milestone that has been MMORPGs
because people are toxic clowns now adays
The advent and pervasiveness of social media is why MMO's are now antisocial. Back in my day of Everquest (1999), being online and chatting with people in the game world was a unique and immersive experience. Community mattered and by nature was niche - as being online and gaming was not mainstream. It used to be faux pas to be a "gamer", almost shameful back then as people didn't know or understand it. Now it means nothing as everyone is a "gamer".
Madseason feels very "these darn kids!" as of late. Very old man yelling at clouds.
People have better things to do.
Some people even have their own children.
Are they "dopamine fueled and impatient" for prioritizing spending time with their children over having to stand around Ironforge for 2 hours and /yell "LFG UBRS HAS KEY" before even getting a group?
Even if you just want to play games, there's hundreds of "better" games being released every year.
I COULD corpse run back to molten core for 40min in total during raid night because Bob can't figure out how Living Bomb works, OR I could play Elden Ring, or socialize with my friends in games that don't waste my time.
We all like playing WoW, non of us like automated match making, but Blizzard don't give us enough tools to find people to play with outside of automated systems, so people use external tools to quickly evaluate people to make their own groups, and that homemade jerry-rigged solution turns toxic when it's the only option.
Well it's important to take into account that Madseason is almost Vanilla-Exclusive in his preference. It's his favourite version of the game and his fond memories of it are coloured by that.
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Alpha and betas make the game better for the people who experience it in the Fall. Why do you think WoW is king?
China banned WoW and created their own, its coming out in a few days 'Tarisland'
Pay to win 😂
Just like WoW then. 😂
I don't believe it was ever banned. Correct me if I am wrong but I thought they failed to renew their service contract so it was temporarily suspended.
However, now it is renewed and it should be available for them again sometime this summer.