Runescape player never played WoW, so he tried all of them
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- Опубликовано: 13 фев 2024
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So stoked to see you react to it!! Was hoping some WoW guys would stumble on this project :)
Love you Jimmy! Hope all is well
@J1mmy let's hope he reacts to your questing series too!
omg your content is amazing!! this is my first time watching you so I'm excited to look more into your channel
I didn't read the books cause I heard they suck.
love you jimmy! great vid
J1mmy is such a gem to the runescape community, awesome to see him trying to branch out a bit and it doing well for him
Your content is sick too!
I found it funny how he was talking about wrath max level gear progression as if RuneScape isn't very similar
@@TheGoatLocker old school isn't really that similar progression wise in my opinion..
@@Brandon-vd7erif you play an iron it kind of is
Ive only seen a few clips from his vids but they all suck. That dude just sucks
dude that subscription log is absolutely INSANELY good parenting
its really good work / reward enforcement
Exactly
It would be if they didn't specifically go out of their way to write in no talking back... Y'all saying this is good parenting must have had great parents yourselves but let me tell you that is shady as fuck.
@@JohnDBlue i think youre looking into it a bit too deep. also his parents didnt write that in. Xaryu did, for all we know he chose the rules of said agreement. the no talking back is pretty normal for a parent towards their kid. it doesnt mean he wasnt allowed to express himself towards them. it means he cant be a little shit.
@@shizocks yeah if i recall how i was as a teenager that dude would make me livid. always talking back, always knowing better, exactly knowing what he was doing too. what a little shit i was lmao
The beauty of the video is the line "the first experience you have sets the pace for the rest of the game" and now in WOW the experience is "hurry up, you aren't high enough level" and that is the feeling in retail. Constant rushing to get bigger numbers, but classic the experience was "explore".
I hadn't really thought of it that way but your absolutely correct. I knew retail felt off but I thought I just wasn't into MMOs anymore.
Okay classic andy
You can explore and play the game at the exact same pace in retail as you do in Classic. There's literally no difference.
@@Nimoodlesyep. you can also feel pressured to level fast in classic so that makes no sense. Even more considering that retail atleast got side content to do.
The benefit of not having to rush you to be on the same level of players that have been playing for 20 years and Classic being relatively new so that mountsin of content is not there.
J1mmy is what you call an actual content creator. He isn't just some semi-lucky streamer who makes :O faces in all their thumbnails
Why you gotta go so hard on our boy
Violation
Just remember that Jimmy could NEVER been in the same universe as Xaryu in terms of being a skilled gamer. There's a ZERO percent chance he could ever pvp on his level.
@@clarkh3314 nobody cares about PVP
@@clarkh3314 gj totally missing the point while also pointing out that xaryu can't create content.
Hell yeah J1mmy kicks ass. One of the funniest OSRS content creators
I'm so glad i built up tens of thousands of hours in WoW, runescape and league of legends during my teen and early adulthood years. being able to juggle these three games and going back and forth whenever i want is so nice. I couldnt imagine learning these games now.
Exactly my situations, its amazing to hop between those 3 :D
Well done. Sounds like the most useful way to spend your life.
The contract your dad made you do is actually such good parenting! Allows you to enjoy the game you want to play and yet makes you earn it and have responsibilities. That’s great parenting !
Anyone who's had even one bad experience with their parents will instantly know there's something deeply wrong with it though.
Not allowed to talk back? Yeah... fucking great. Parents are already God and Jesus and King and Emperor who have never been and will never be wrong, what could possibly be bad about this...
@JohnDBlue Seen your replies several times on here now, all saying basically the same thing.
If everyone else thinks it's good parenting (which it absolutely is on every metric), and you're the only one who doesn't - then who's more likely to be correct?
Just say you had crap parents and you weren't exposed to healthy reward/discipline systems like the one in the video and move on. Get some therapy or something.
@@JohnDBlue Hey man, I've seen you reply to this same effect on multiple comments now. I understand why you would be apprehensive about a "no talking back" rule, since my parents also abused that phrase to shut down any attempt I made to defend myself.
Something you should understand though, is that, that was a character flaw on behalf of my parents (and I'm guessing yours too), and most parents only use such a rule to dissuade their children from truly egregious sass.
The creator of the video here, clearly has positive memories about it, so we can safely assume that his parents enforced this in a positive way.
If it is at all practical for you, I highly recommend having an earnest discussion with your parents about some of the things you seem like you've been feeling about your upbringing. If they can find the time to listen now that you're an adult, it can be very healing, otherwise, you'll know for sure that they are a lost cause. Just a suggestion bro, you don't have to listen. All the best to you, either way
@@GGMattyou need serious help 😂
First character was a troll hunter. Walking into org for the first time and seeing people on wolves/raptors with glowing weapons I was hooked instantly.
my condolences for playing troll
@@SonGoku5363 dw it didn't last
This was the dopest, launch weeks of an expansion have similar feelings
played orc first, got sick of the dirt and tried a human pally. Elwyn and SW was too good lol.
@@drgreenthumnb Alliance side: Forests, Plains, Trees, Meadows
Horde side: O R A N G E
You should get in touch with J1mmy and have him take you through OSRS
Yeah, J1mmy got to max level in WoW, so Xaryu should get to max level in OSRS for us ❤️
@@CloudCollapselol ya cuz thats equally fair.
@@trentongardner2106what is joke
@lampisfun1139 getting max level in wow in every version is pretty quick, and easy. With hardcore being the hardest to do and it's more of a take your time thing than it's hard to do. Runescape max level would take a long time to do. Like a really long time.
OSRS is just an endless, pointless grind with minor dopamine hits spread throughout.
J1mmy gave such an objective and perfect outsider view of WoW.
No bias, no prejudice, both goods and bads
I would agree, it was fair No bias, no prejudice, but it was also like watching a Marvel movie review by a critic who hates action movies. WoW is about end-game and guild communities, and J1mmy clearly doesn't enjoy that at all. I've been playing WoW for 18 years and it's been about end-game the entire time. I find a guild, I make friends, we schedule time to fight challenging raid bosses, and progress through the raids.
So while J1mmy was fair in his assessment, I don't know how fair it was to have someone who doesn't enjoy the format reviewing the game.
@@RageDaugend game for you, for us it s about the journey. Just throw out leveling and just do raiding all day. It s bad design.
@@andipajeroking It's not about what you or I want. It's about the audience Blizzard wants to sell their game to. Leveling & raiding are two different games, which becomes increasingly more apparent with every subsequent expansion.
The problem Blizzard has is that it would take at minimum several months, and more likely years for a new player to play all the lore of the past twenty years of WoW as it was laid out, and that still leaves out all the old lore related raiding content. It would be near impossible for new players to catch up to friends who brought them into the game. And even if they don't have friends and just wanted to check out WoW, they will see end-game players all over who are raiding every week, and they will understand they won't be able to reach that for months or years of questing.
So if the majority of your repeat customers are people who couldn't care less about the leveling content, but are only looking to do end-game content, how can you satisfy them with forced quest & leveling content added for the minority?
So the question goes back to, who is the audience Blizzard is trying to reach?
@@RageDaug I agree with you, coming from Runescape as well and he's never gotten into end-game in that game as well, but he did lead off that this was specifically for a new player experience. Once you're into end-game you likely already have a big understanding of the game and have a group of people to play with.
@@andrewfreeman9643 that is a fair point. I'm not really trying to get after the video's author. I believe he was doing an honest review, and it could definitely be helpful to new players who are considering playing the game if they are runescape style players, or players who enjoy a good story while they level /play.
I'm probably just a little defensive due to all the people who jump into the comments to use the video to confirm their bias and shit on the game.
Would be like if I reviewed the absolute best 1st person shooter. My take would just go on and on about the things I can't stand. It would be honest and helpful to anyone who doesn't like 1st person shooters, but it would not be a fair assessment of the game.
My dad played WoW, so he didnt mind paying my sub. He said "Id rather you be a nerd than a drug addict, stay home and play WoW with me"
I fucking love J1mmy! So glad you did a react of his video
when my two world combine
This guy was delightfull, deff watching more of him.
The subscription logbook part was super wholesome
bro was warcraft logging his chores.
Dude has the WORST parses I’ve SEEN 😂😂
Min maxing blade height on the mower to be able to double up cuts in between raid nights
the answer to leveling is an exhiles reach style leveling experience that takes the players through all the important plot points for the last 20 years, but that isn't at a break neck speed so the players can enjoy it. It's reused quests and reused zones so the dev time would me much lower, and it would give people the opportunity to experience the story.
was thinking the same thing, and it would bottleneck players together, whether someone is a new player or someone is levelling an alt naturally making it feel more full, and new expansions instead of a continuation could also look at more seperate stories so new players could understand and follow whats happening
It looks like they're introducing something similar as part of time walking, a MoP storyline chain has been datamined already that mainlines you through the story and into the siege of Org. If I were them I'd make that permanent and add it along with one for each expansion in the Caverns of Time. You could even have Chromie stood there sending you in saying she's sure you were there so you need to go be there.
That together with the change to first time leveling (Exiles going straight to dragonflight which is obviously where it was always meant to go since they even mention going to a nearby expedition thats on a nearby island) should help a lot.
I started on retail in 19 and self restricted myself to going to chrome playing each expansion in order and I wasn't allowed to leave until I was bored and rail roaded the main quests. But I did this all at max level and it kinda felt bad.
@@imaginyou4You could of done it at the appropriate level you can turn XP off.
There is also an addon called "immersion" or something like that which changes how quests are presented. I don't have it, but I've seen it.
omg Xar explaining how he put his hands when he started playing wow had me in tears, exact same thing here.
I really hope they make a progression server. You HAVE to do the main story narrative in order of each expansion with leveling paced to fit. It would make for a truly epic leveling journey. It wouldn't be for everyone, but my god would the people it was made for love it.
all the people being forced to level through every campaign quests is the dumbest take ive heard in a while and i read a lot of comments congrats
@@WoWUndad I didn't say all players. It'd be like a classic server, or hardcore server, it'd be optional. And to quote myself: "It wouldn't be for everyone, but my god would the people it was made for love it." Just like hardcore wasn't for everyone. Learn reading comprehension before calling people dumb.
Yeah it would be a lot of fun, I've done something similar by locking my level at certain points back before Chromie time when leveling was from 1-120 and enjoyed it a lot. Only problem was that it was a lonely experience outside of dungeons.
@@MysticLlamaMan Would be less lonely with servers intended for that purpose, at least at first.
This is basically what final fantasy 14 does. I spent 6 months leveling through all the expansions and then got into raiding and endgame content.
A big issue with WoW's story for retail is that while they try and make you level in a single expansion, a lot of that story happens not during the questing, but at max level as the future patches came out in that expansion, so even if someone tries to play in Chromie time once you hit 60 it kicks you out of Chromie Time regardless of how far in that story you are because they need you to play Dragonflight.
I started an alt and capped my exp at 19. So I could play all of legion. Wow has a big issue they created with level scaling. They did not increase the world npc mobs health or difficulty they instead make your toon weaker. Same with pvp each season you reset to build back to your baseline. 😅 private servers did it right by keeping gear the same but increasing mob health values and damage. TBC and Wrath private servers with extra spicey mobs will forever be my favorite time in wow.
Well, you simply can't force through 20 years of story. And you still CAN do it, but forcing people to do it, would create a lot of anger.
Wanna join your friend and raid? Just play revamped world, outland, northrend, cataclysm, pandaria, draenor, broken islands, zuldazar/kultiras, shadowlands and the dragon isles. It's just a short trip of 200h to barely scrap few zones of each continents.
You just actually have to read and put two and two together to understand whats happening in WoW's story, its all there. It just isnt laid out in a linear MSQ like ff14 or single player rpg.
There's a datamined set of MoP quests that mainline the whole MoP storyline from start to finish which is linked to timewalking. The current guess is it's them trialing it before doing it for all the expansions (and hopefully making them a permanent option in the caverns of time).
Its cool that J1mmy took a look into wc3 and used it to help build the story because we have to remember the story of warcraft started as a RTS then continued it through a MMO.
man i love the content from both of these guys. what a blessing this video is!
Consider reacting to J1mmy's series "By Release" series. He starts a fresh OSRS ironman and completes the quests in order. Its one of the best OSRS series
It is definitely a fantastic series.
Great series but means nothing to people who havent played it tbh. Kinda like hardcore wow content for someone who makes osrs hc content and hasn't played wow
@@Masterofchodes Yeah I was thinking about that. I think enough WoW players have played at least the Runescape early game content which is where the series starts, and could get a nostalgia kick out of a few react vids. I could be wrong though
@@L2.Lagrange fair point actually I played rs before wow
@@Masterofchodes you'd be surprised how easy osrs and classic wow are to understand when the storytelling is good. there are many people who watch Settled (biggest osrs content creator) who have never played runescape, and there are lots of people who watch Savix's recent classic wow content even though they have never played wow, because the storytelling is easy to understand.
linear story quest line based on faction/race which takes you thru all xpacs with cutscenes and voiceovers etc
People would screech that leveling takes too long. Pandora's Box has already been opened.
@@DrewPicklesTheDark it could be optional in the settings to turn it on/off but when you would launch into world it would give you option if you want to play expansions linearly which would hide every npc that would be from future of your current expansion adventure while also saying that leveling is slower due your doing old content or if you want to progress on your own phase and want to hop soon straight into dragonflight once war within comes, it would say that in options you can disable/enable this if you want. then it would search for oldest expansion that you havent managed to complete main questline yet and show where to go if you want to progress slowly experiencing things as they come as blizzard made stuff and intended originally game to played so you arent thrown into battle of azeroth and getting jainas story without knowing what happened at theramore that is being refrenced, so you would know that theramore is a small town instead of hidden planet and and why she is being jailed by her mother, why in cutscene her father seemingly randomly yells MURDERER after calmly singing to her...
Never thought I’d hear xar say “clean ass plug”
Those logs you showed us were hella wholesome❤
The progression statement you said: that's why SOD is keeping me going. The gated phases and raiding each of these reworked instances that I spammed ad nauseum, that I could speedrun while asleep - it's refreshing
i was 13 and got in a lot of trouble, my mother was glad my brother in law got me his old pc and a wow account. I got hooked on and i got in far less in trouble outside and with the law.
Being wowed by the depth and size of the world is one of the things I look back on the fondest and I'm glad to see he experienced that (I wasn't sure if those feelings still happened in WoW since it's more of a "solved game" today, which I think he experienced in his post-80 min-maxing).
the thing is, at least in classic, if you're an experienced player you can totally show up in unoptimized gear and be like "this is fine", you understand the holes in your gear and you can adjust, the content isn't /that/ gearcheck heavy anyway. Apart from the occasional numbers-guy in a party or bad guild, it's the people that don't understand the game that get punished for having to follow the linear gear guide
That log is amazing education
bro at the moonguard tavern inn party was cathartic because i feel like that in most social settings lol
J1mmy is a legend and I'm so glad you're covering this!
The best solution i can think of is instead of chromie just being all the old quests,there should be an experience similair to the tutorial island (but slower paced and probably 3-4x as long) that rehashes the overall story of each expansion. Obv a lot of work at this point, but they could release them 1 at a time with minor game updates.
That contact is SOLID parenting. Respect
They need to make a BUNCH of those 2.5D cinematics like Daughter of the Sea... but maybe less cinematic that tells the story of each zone. They could add them to the map so that if you're looking at a zone and thinking "huh, what happened there" you can click to play the quick 1-2 minute zone story video.
In a perfect world there could be a quick intro video to each zone... it could even be a pan-through voice-over like the starting zones, it tells you whats going on there. You can then either choose to play that zone and find out what happens or be like "nah" and play an outro video that tells you how the story wraps up.
YES! Or something integrated to make new players understand and have a feeling of more impact should they choose to go there. It's far too chaotic currently.
The simplest and most effective way to introduce story...
Voice acted quest dialogue that continues playing while running to next objective.
That way you can enjoy the story without standing still.
When I started my first Death knight back in Wotlk i was disappointed that I couldn't start from lvl 1 and play the whole game. Especially when it was the best class I ever played. It didn't feel that great that I missed the best part of the game that I played with so many classes that wasn't so fun for me.
when i first logged my lock in to deathknell in 2005 it definetly felt better than left clicking a cow or chicken in rs
Love J1mmy and I love that you reacted to this! Great job Xar
I'm still at the very start of the video and I'm blown away by how insightful and amazing your parents were for writing up that contract and having your gameplay be tied to your word and your chores. What an incredible way to instill the habits of working for something that you want and understanding your personal accountability for decisions you made. That is amazing parenting and if you haven't thanked them often enough for it you should go out of your way to do so. I'm going to take that plan for my own kids if something ever comes up like this
I got world of Warcraft for my birthday/Christmas gift around bc and my parents didn't know it had a monthly subscription. We were living out of a rv at the time so they didn't have money until a year later once we were more stable. Probably has a part in my love for the game and why it will always be apart of my gaming life, I was so obsessed to play it.
He's right about Classic. Held my attention for 6-8 weeks and then I stopped.
Retail feels completely soulless, and a big convoluted mess story wise and leveling wise. Like an amusement park ride without the fun, and far too saturated content wise to wrap a new players head around.
@@maybecole id say the fun is the combat ngl
@@EmJayy661 I will say PVP feels good in retail, and a lot of the abilities can be fun, and the ability to respec for free on the fly is nice. For some weird reason, I still prefer classic combat. It doesn't feel so button-mashy, and having too many abilities on rotation. But I can see how in scenarios like mages spamming frost bolt in MC would get old
run out of copium and fart gas?
prog raiding is the only good part of wow everything else is a shit annoying chore
I just watched you cross your hands....I almost cried. You played exactly like I did! It wasn't until my bestie was laughing at my description of how I played, and he gently corrected me. Crossed hands made sense to me!
J1mmy is definitely one of our finest.. also mate.. your parents should be proud.. the way you paid off your membership is just phenomenal
Coming from Runescape and having experienced some of WoW myself, in my opinion SoD would be the best shot of solving the "reliving the same player progress problem in the future" problem. Runescape's multiple storylines progress in parallel (sometimes converging) over the course of years and each, or at least some, of them give significant upgrades to the player regardless of you being at max level or not.
Leveling up is like on classic WoW where it's part of the journey, with new content being released in, say, Northshire, and there's always someone doing it (because it's now part of the natural progression of the character) while new endgame areas are regularly added to the game and new players can strive for doing ir one day, too. Players are never rushed to the brand new giant map with a huge storyline, instead everyone is given the chance to catch up on some storyline in small parts and wait for the next step in that story. Nowadays there's some "annual roadmaps" with themed big expansions but Jagex always comes up with content for low and mid level and it would be only natural for WoW where you MUST replay them if you want to play a new class or faction (usually Runescape players have at most two characters compared to Classic's 9 classes - and we're not even talking about each class roles). Some content released in 2005 like Barrows Brothers is played even in RuneScape 3 (which is like Wow Retail) to this day!
In SoD, having a smaller blueprint to start from, rethinking character progression like this may help solve the level-up-and-quit/get-rushed-to-max-like-it's-nothing dilemma of classic/retail imo.
TL;DR; give up the expansion format (at least as the main one), it's a formula borrowed from single-player games which are meant to be one-and-done experiences, focus on improving it to every player, from noobs to endgame.
The only reason Runescape content like the barrows brothers gets gameplay to this day, is the amount of hours required in the activity to even get the gear. You could do a few hundred over even over a thousand barrows runs, depending on your luck, to get all the items.
Not only this, Runescape is a game structured around the ridiculous xp needed to even hit max. Andrew Gower never expected anyone to hit a level 99, the focus was on the gameplay and with that gameplay, short form content that can be played quickly but with drop rates so low, the bosses become more like a job where you farm the boss for 5 hours to make gp and hopefully get that rare drop.
If Runescape didn't have two decade old xp rates, it would have died a very long time ago. And it's because of those xp rates, that low and mid content is developed. Some people might be 100 combat after play for two years (because they have lives outside the game). In WoW, even classic, you can max in much much less than a year.
The expansion format is definitely terrible, and doesn't fit a live service game model. With live service, having larger content drops surrounded by QOL and smaller content paced in between leaves players feeling like there is always something new, players don't rush through it all and quit until the next expansion, because that content is drip fed.
I wish I could be in the position like, that guy who started Ashes of Creation. I would love to put my 24k hours of Runescape, my 9k hours of WoW and my two decades of experience into escapism into MMOs and youtube content around the games industry to create a long term mmo that focuses on progression around player power and community interaction. If a game like Halo 3 can foster millions into a varied active online community centered around the many custom gamemodes, hardcore and casual... then surely an MMO can exist today with paced progression and replayability?
I would love a game like Wrath with additionally, a list of story based quests like Runescape with options for casual and hardcore. A server system that lets you switch between 'world servers' that are limited to stop overflooding but you can switch to one of hundreds of worlds and connect with any person on the planet who plays.
A professional and friendly, but trained team of staff trained to act like the GM's of WoW classic, and actually message people in game as the first option if they're online.
A housing system that is instanced that doesn't limit housing to the rich, but lets you progress your character even more by unlocking additional elements to your property which help promote gameplay and community.
A pvp system that aims to teach players how their class operates and what to watch for from other classes, bridging the gap that many refuse to follow, of bringing up youtube and watching a pvp guide.
An economy that is player driven but still tied to pvp and pve progression. Everything has a price, but if you can go get that item yourself, you can use it or make some good money selling it (thinking more, challenges to get certain items, rather than grinding a boss or activity until you get rng).
A background progression system linked to all characters on the account which holds titles, banners and other non mechanical gameplay element customisation. Like imagine getting to pin a golden medal with a little magic ribbon to the front of your chest plate, people will see that and think "dude was top 20 last year in pvp" and he'll have something of recognition that doesn't give gameplay advantage (wanting to stick power to character progression and not, this person will always 2% more than you and there's no way for you to ever get that last 2%).
I want to stick power to the levelling, but make the levelling the game itself. Imagine if you did WoW classic but instead of doing barrens for 5 levels, you did barrens, then went off to do some mazes, a few pvp continent vs continents, then you decide to go do some side quests because a random event story captured your attention and pulled you into an optional experience. And said optional quest/experience gave you an item which made a future quest dialogue later about the king noticing your glowing trinket you have, before sending you off on another optional quest. And you can get this quest by speaking to the king anyway, without the item, but the item triggers the quest in a more profound way.
@@biadhoce non-ironman players play barrows, terrible drop-rate notwithstanding (or because of that lmao), because it's a low/moderate paced, mid-game (humble) money-maker for both versions. Oldschool barrows equipment is still useful for a variety of reasons while RS3's is on demand because of invention and archeology (the amulet).
For the IM characters, only the unluckiest of them have to endure that drop-rate to the end because not all of those items are essential to character progression (if any at all).
I do agree xp and drop rates can be harsh (specially for OSRS) and could be tweaked a bit, but is it really that bad if, as you said, it's over two decades now and somewhat healthy? Surely that isn't their problem -- but WoW doesn't need to copy it either; focus on the whole character progression instead. The class/race/faction systems have so much replayability potential which RuneScape would only dream of. That's why it takes years to max out there while you can do it n-fold times over on classic. Then they could implement everything you and I suggested to keep it healthy.
OSRS has the best quests in the genre and J1mmy loves those quests. WoW stood no chance.
They 2 dif games, OSRS is fucking boring, pure old school grind. And the graphics are only appealing to retro-lovers.
Any version of WoW is far superior to OSRS by a mile: visualy, auditive, gameplay, and quest wise.
@@josejuanandrade4439 quests in wow are legit kill 5 boars bro i can believe you actually think all of that except the quest part. also youre wrong about all of it
@@doomgu544 .... You realy are this dense? Is not the mechanics of the quest... of course mmo quests are all kill this, collect that.. is not the mechanics but the story the quests tell you.
There's for example, a quest line in wow known as "The legend of Stalvan"... is literaly just a side story... is not conected to the major lore in any way... but the story it tells is so good, it has became engraned in wow player's memory...
I dont know if you realy stupid, or you just trying to pretend you don't know what people mean about wow questing being great just to hate on the game... WoW questing IS what made wow become so huge in 2004.... no other mmo had this....
Most were blind grind... meanwhile, WoW told stories!
And here is the fun part bro... i dont need to proove anything because the proof is in the fact WoW killed all these other mmos. All the old school blind grind mmos like Everquest, Runescape, etc, died when WoW came out because WoW was THAT much better. Even the social aspect was better. I could sit here and tell you stories about this part, that i lived back in 2005 for fucking days!
Completely delusional.@@josejuanandrade4439
lol, lmao even.
The agreement with parents is such a great move
Cool to see you discovered Jimmy.
Old school RuneScape for life baby
I've never posted anything in any of your content. I'm your typical ghost viewer but I have to say, after all these years(discovered you when my friends convinced me that coming back to wow in bfa was a good idea) seeing your hair growing. I am really happy for you to watch a complete and joyful persone working in front of his screen. Cheers to that brother. It is not easy to get to that point in life. Keep it up!
There are many zones in classic wow that actually have a good story, like duskwood, for example. Problem is that its usually just a single quest chain, or peppered inside of many pointless 'get me some herbs for my sick pet, or kill 10 kobolds cause they steal supplies'. After 50 of those pointless quests, it becomes much harder to engage with or even know you are on a decent story quest.
“Good story” yes having to read long ass paragraphs from random NPCs that mention bits and pieces about what’s going on in the zone that 99.9% of the players never read lol.
@@ItsYentI re-started on classic two weeks ago, I leveled through duskwood last week. That story was good, took the time to read quests, the journals, taking things slow. Just enjoying some relaxing after work gaming. It was a good experience.
Its in a way kinda nice how the quests are attached to stormwind as well. It might be annoying, but it makes it feel more grand.
@@00vaag yeah same is in retail too. They just put a bigger focus on making it easier for people to understand the story. In Classic you have to go out your way to read and learn the story which doesn’t touch majority of players .
I move with my right hand on the arrow keys so my left hand is free to press the rest of the keyboard buttons
I’m glad other communities get to appreciate J1mmy this way too, glad to see him branching out being received so postively
7:02 - anyone know what that skirt mog is? never seen that skirt and legs in all my Wow time
Edit: Found out, its the Love Witch Transmog from the retail traderpost for february.
There's also a black version of the same set on the cash shop for like 30 dollars or something too, I think it comes with a mount as well
This video explained everything pretty perfectly, Love J1mmy he really comes through for the communities with these videos.
Hopefully he does a follow up video explaining even more about the endgame and if he enjoys the journey of the raiding with a team and stuff like that if he ever thought worth it :)
I currently play OSRS and WoW and it was amazing to see this man finally get into WoW and try it and to actually hear how a completely NEW PLAYER sees the game was refreshing.
+1 Respect from both OSRS and WoW communities, this was an amazing video brother Jimbo!
No it doens't. He literally got everything wrong and nothing he said was of any value.
@@therabbits69 lmao keep smoking that copium kid
This guy nailed it. I'm glad even a new player can confirm my feelings about the game.
Watching Jimmy brought me here, he’s great! Funny enough I watch his videos because I never got deep into Runescape but like learning about it, I did play WoW for years though. Thanks for the content!
i remember my first time in stormwind , we were smashing Varian head 1 week after wotlk doing “For the Horde”
I started playing Wow around last summer. I wanted to start with classic, but was convinced to try retail first. So my first playthrough was on retail, so I never realized it was a fast leveling process. I personally enjoy being able to level very quickly without feeling obligated to find a group for dungeons, quest, etc.(antisocial) I will say after playing retail first, it kinda tainted my leveling experience in classic. It felt sooo slow, BUT also more rewarding when i dinged or found a gear upgrade. (Mostly just felt slow though) Professions in classic also feel very useful and relevant, whereas in retail it just seen as a goldmaker. Anyways, that was my perspective as a new player who tried retail before classic. Interesting how your starting version choice can affect how you view the whole game.
Very much agree, you have solidified my choice of playing WOW Classic first. I wish there was leveling even past "Max Level" even if you don't get anything from it, you still have players competing to be much higher. I was bummed when I found out that your experience bar disappears.
i love xaryu's paper log
you know, watching a j1mmy video together is like being eskimo brothers. Now that this moment has been shared, I must subscribe to you.
You will absolutely not regret reading the first three books in the entire lore timeline for Warcraft. I can't remember what they're called, but it's the Three night elf trilogy series explaining the very beginning of everything basically and they are really good
World of Warcraft Chronicles, Part 1-2-3 (Black/Green/Blue)
@@psycropticqcPretty sure he meant the War of the Ancients trilogy, but those are good too
Aren't most books retconned and full of insconsistencies?
Most of the book retcons are heavily overstated. Over the roughly 24 years of books they've released, the majority of them likely either won't have any noticeable retcons or will only have 1 or 2.@@Eustres
5:17 you did just say “that was a clean ass plug”
I mean, perhaps I parsed it incorrectly, but you did say it
@14:40 i use too do the same. and my buddy's dad who got gladiator in first 2 seasons of tbc as lock . he taught me keybindings and movement with mouse instead of arrows keys or wasd . he even binding all my spells with shift and it changed EVERYTHING for me. haha
A tldr story that starts after starting area that last a few hours and then puts you in newest expansion.
What is that website he said to put your gear and it tells you what to di next?
Yea, can you let me know if you find out?
raidbots.. its the website that you paste your character data into, and it sims each piece of gear to tell you your best in slot.. Mostly for high-end players, who sim potential gear upgrades regularly
@@herrgeo2361 eightyupgrades :)
its an addon and website. guides post the links to it in them
What’s the website he was talking about at 24:20?
sixtyupgrades
I wonder if it would be possible to have the early expansions have a scaling exp for each early expansion, increasing after the next, then you get the mid expansions. And they have a higher scaling exp gain then the vanilla ones (classic, burning and wotlk) then the mid expansions increase the scaling a bit more than the early ones, then we get to the newer expansions (within the last two or three years) and those have very fast exp gain, so if you havent reached max level here, you will for sure quickly. I think that would help feel slow at first in the right expansions but as you progress to the newer ones the scale of the exp increases depending on the expansion. And i am not sure if I am explaining this the way I am thinking but I think that would help with retail leveling and have a mix of both classic and retail but you transition over time through leveling into retail. This might require 10 lvl cap increase so you can enjoy it fully if you opt too but just my two cents.
blizzards pricing only changed outside of the US, for example the price in the UK used to be 8.99
You said you played other games where you actually have to pay attention to the story and listed elden ring? Aren't from software games famous for having optional stories you can completely ignore?
What if you only have Kalimdor and Eastern Kingdoms to get to lvl 60.
Then each expansion has its own lvl system from 60 - 70 and the loot you get in other expansions is scaled down to 60.
Leveling is changing in the next expac later this year, you'll be going from exiles reach to dragonflight which has been the intent since dragonflight was entering development (they even mention the nearby island expedition as where you're supposed to be flying to at the end). This has a much more linear story and its intended for you to reach the right level as you complete the last "shield" quest.
Shout out to the left hand arrow key control LMAO!
20:00 I even feel that way in SoD. I'm kinda looking forward to the lvl 60 raids but I actually haven't done any of the other raids from the different phases. I enjoy leveling the most and once p4 is out I'm actually excited to experience all of SoD from 1-60 without any interruptions.
Wow was NEVER meant to be an expansion game. It was meant to be phased content. I lost so many people who quit when TBC came out and our hard won, guild progressed toon was replacing gear at 61 with green quest items. Meant to have more content opened while staying at level 60 and just getting small power creep items and more fun stuff to explore WITH your friends. The world sucks right now and we want an immersive fun MULTI player game. Just like everything, CORPORATE GREED has ruined our human experience and they figured out xpacs and micro transactions make the shareholders happy. Fiduciary Responsibility trumps good products lately.
The initial idea was VERY different for what WoW supposed to be. It pretty much had to be Everquest v.2 but better. Even vanilla itself took a lot of things differently, like instanced dungeons or quest-oriented leveling. With BC almost everyone working on the game left so yeah that vision was lost forever, BC is pretty much a product of completely different people
What is this mans skincare routine, does he have a command in his chat
at the 14:50 mark the way you explain how you started playing WoW is exactly how i played WoW from BC through the start of LK. i got pretty good at PvP that way
Dude it’s so amazing seeing someone that played osrs a lot and was good coming to wow and playing it jimmy is a REAL GAMER and great entertainer
They could make a level experience that touched the big storylines of each expansion and even had you do small lfr style raids but they would have to build it.
I cant describe how good it felt to watch my xp bar disappear for the first time back in wrath. It was a real win for me.
A friend and I have been talking about how Blizz can integrate all the expansions is to create dedicated servers for all different expansion (but that's just a pipe dream). If you have completed one expansion you should then be able to "export" your character into other expansion servers. Or something like that. But then they will need to kind of settle with regard to how they do talents and mechanics etc.
J1mmy’s ads are actually top tier
33:00 one solution may be the Path of the Curator concept by Taliesin. Basically, every expansion has a basic campaign that leads you through the most important questlines, including a few dungeons and raids (which can use the AI party tech in case the player can't find friends).
So if you want to start the story of a given expansion, you'll go from start to finish, experiencing all the major stories.
J1mmy is top tier OSRS RUclipsr and seeing someone top youtuber from other game reacting his other game experience is makes me proud
I just showed my mom the fist 2mins of this and we just had the hardest laugh about back in the day with wow and runescape. Thanks for the epic flashback.
That contract is very cute. Brings back memories of stuff like that I used to do back in the day (70s and 80s).
I played WoW before and I treated it like it was single player as someone who primarily plays FFXIV. I still saw people out in the world and it was a very chill and pleasant experience. I started in Legion and unlocked Void Elf and Lightforged Draenai. I restarted as a Void Elf rogue and read all the quest text. Even the folks I met in the dungeons were very nice. I remember this nice Worgen warlock brought out a see saw toy and we started playing together and I remember doing the giant dinosaur quest in that crater region with the funny knight guy who thought a blood elf guy was a girl and he started throwing pieces of his armor at the dinosaur to weaken it enough to where I could kill it. I enjoyed it a whole lot, very good memories.
Afk journey has a really interesting system where you do a base game (like wow classic) then just join the current 4-month season and if you feel too far behind everyone else it’ll be reset when the next season starts.
You know, I think I'm an outlier here, but I actually prefer when a game 'starts' at max level. Its the same with Diablo 3, Guild Wars 2, Destiny etc.
I like when the levelling takes between 3 days to 3 weeks, and that its effectively an extensive tutorial, and then the game starts and its time to grind out your sets and try new builds and pvp etc.
the thing youre talking about with the 'mix the servers up' at the end, is already existing in classic era right now. they call them 'clusters'
I've watched J1mmy for a while and when I 1st watched his video on this, I think it resonated alot with the osrs community and for me personally I have wondered what it would have been like if I ended up being a wow player. Runescape has been a huge part of my life in a lot of ways (started late 06) Although I don't play it thesedays I miss it.
Anyways, I ended up rewatching this whole thing again and I dont usually leave comments or even watch reaction videos, this was recommended to me on my feed. This video was really enjoyable ❤
I always find videos like this interesting. I missed Runescape and WoW because I didn't have a computer until after I graduated. When I eventually did get into MMOs I found out I liked playing solo a lot more because I could take everything at my own pace. Playing with friends is fun, but I guess I never really used games as a way to socialize. I just play them for fun, or to experience a story.
But early MMOs like Runescape and WoW existed in a time when online socializing was more novel. These days I can talk to my friends every day on discord and play all kinds of stuff with them through steam. But the way old school MMO players talk, that social aspect is their favorite thing about the game.
And then you have the really sweaty players who want to grind the hardest content and obtain the rarest stuff. A lot of them do it for the challenge but some of them do it for ego. They want to be seen in their rare mount wearing the best gear.
There are so many different types of players in MMOs (and I didn't even get into roleplayers) who all value and enjoy different things about the game and play it in different ways. I could watch videos like this for hours trying to figure us all out.
Wish I could go back to those first steps in IF.
That ad was smooth as f...❤
I played WoW for the first time when Shadowlands came out and I didn't see a single thing about Shadowlands. All I saw was this cool Troll city where I bred dinosaurs for a quest. I had no idea what was going on but those quest were fun. Nothing was really explained about the world and I had no idea how to do anything other than quest. I quit playing since it cost a lot to play.
OSRS fixes a lot of these problems because it has a core design philosophy where the game doesn't even really expect you to get to max level. It certainly doesn't require it. The old quests are still relevant, and you're practically never going to run out of content. You can put it down for years and pick right back up where you left off and continue your story from there without being thrust into a storyline with characters you'd never heard of. The server issue also isn't a problem in OSRS because you hop worlds whenever you want. They've got reasons why you'd want to be in a low pop or a high pop world depending on your activity, so there are always nearly full worlds.
Always love when reaction videos respect the original creator sponsors by not skipping
Little did we know this was jimmy the gnome mage that disappeared after him and his friends went separate ways in TBC.
The challenge of levelling is always the game for me and then i keep the levelled character on the shelf as a trophy then start again
it's weird doing anything in retail as leveling doesn't exist.
You can pop in and out of a zone with no consequences. In classic you gotta finish a zone to get that xp to continue. It's different.
OSRS player here and fan of j1mmy, dope to see a wow players perspective on his video. I’m over halfway through the whole video.
For a second there I was totally convinced he reacted to his own video 😂
I did a long post but I just thought of a possible solution to the new players being lost in the story part of the game, which may help with the feeling rushed through levels to catch up stuff. An Optional story recap cutscene for each expansion from the point of view of each faction. I think that would be HUGE for making the new player experience better.