Pinning this comment because a lot of people will be thinking this. Here's a reply I sent earlier: That's a tough question because most of the standalone exotics are much more limited in what their effects apply to. You could run Cyrtarachne's Facade for woven mail from the grapples, but it won't proc from gunpowder gamble or prismatic nade. You could run Foetracer for the same boost to damage on all 3 weapons, but you'll have a lot less damage resistance so it won't be as effective in harder content. Maybe try Gifted Conviction for damage resistance when you jolt enemies with the ascension, or Assassin's Cowl for invisibility and extra healing off the grapple melees. Either way, without Foetracer you won't be so limited with weapon/ability element matching so could experiment there too - but it would also fundamentally be quite a different build
Yeah I'm getting really tired of going to these build videos only to find out halfway through that it's built around the exotic class items. They need disclaimers on this shit.
You're welcome! I've been bored of Liars + Combination Blow for years already, so even though that build is now much better I just don't care LOL. Would much rather try out builds like this
A fellow Blink enjoyer! Prismatic just simply takes it to new levels. Grapple, Grapple Blink Melees, Grapple Ascension to carry momentum, Grapple Ascension Melees, Amplified for basic traversing, Ascension for momentum resets or upward traversal...it's so good if you stick with it. ❤
The thoughtfulness, care and attention to detail in this build is superb! Im excited to try it out the next time i login. NGL im tired of dodge melee spam too 😂
Honestly i've never liked the dodge+melee liars spam, even when it was a new thing. It just feels weird that the safest and easiest build which uses next to no ammo, and also heals you, also does the most damage??? And they just made it even stronger with prismatic lmao
Checking back in, this is hands down the best build I’ve ever used. Every single aspect of it serves a purpose and loops back into each other. I legit can’t find another prismatic build that does Boss Damage, ad clear, ability spam, and constant damage resist and healing uptime all at once and this efficiently. I’ve tried making it work with Still Hunt and Act 2 artifact perks, and it’s straight up even more broken. EDIT: If you spec into auto rifles on the artifact, holy shit, every encounter with Choir of One is over too quickly.
@@glacierrays legit, I feel like this build is karma for me every trying to stray away from being a Hunter Main. Never forgetting my roots thanks to you 🫶
Will definitely be using ascension once it starts counting as a class ability and works with stuff like HOIL and reaper! I've been running a similar build but with winters shroud for that class ability regen
3 things my good sir: -Imma need another week (which i literally dont have) to get foetracer/cyrtarachne's -Can i substitute demol/hatchling Breachlight with demol/headstone Bold Endings? -When tf did you list the armor mods (besides nade kickstart and insulation)
Did some testing and it doesnt look like foetracer is proccing off of gunpowder gamble nor the fire portion of the hailfire spike/prismatic grenade. With this build its only proccing foetracer's 4x solar surge from golden gun.
I'm afraid that's not true, I have clips from individual testing of both GPG and the solar from hailfire spike proccing Solar Weapon Boost x4 - however I will admit I did have a few times where the hailfire was a little inconsistent, sometimes giving me the solar boost a few seconds delayed after the solar damage started. Try testing again and making sure you're holding the ergo out the entire time. Also the solar boost text for some reason isn't prioritised so it gets pushed off the screen if there are 4 other buffs/debuffs, it's incredible Bungie thinks I need to see my elemental pickup cooldowns more than that lol
@glacierrays I read that the gunpowder gamble is coded as the element of the grenade you have equipped. So with verity you need to match the grenade element with the weapon element. Might be the same for foe tracer.
@@glacierrays Okay i tested it again and i got the 4x solar surge to appear with ergo sum from gunpowder gamble. Fun thing to note is that you can trigger the 4x solar surge just from sticking the gunpowder gamble onto a yellowbar. But for some reason the 4x surge doesn't appear for any other weapon but ergo sum. Tried it with sunshot and nullify and no 4x surge appeared after hitting the same yellow bar I did the prior ergo sum test on with gunpowder. Also unfortunately haven't been able to trigger the 4x surge from hailfire Did some more testing. And it turns out its swords in general. First thing was I tested if it was based on ammo type. Equipped still hunt, threw gunpowder, no surge. Then I tested weapon type. Gunpowder gave the 4x surge to Lament. The solar surge persisted when i swapped from lament to nullify, and nullify's damage was increased by the 4x solar surges. I then tested throwing gunpowder gamble with a non solar sword equipped, in my case it was half truths. And after throwing the GPG and having it explode with said sword equipped, i swapped back to nullify to find the 4x solar surge appear on the buff list. So it looks like u just need to have any kind of sword out when gunpowder hits or explodes on the yellowbar to proc the solar surge from said gunpowder
@@Elizan723 huh that's weird. i just checked my clip of GPG working during my tests and it was when I had magnetic grenade equipped (void). There's definitely something funky going on though because it and hailfire can be inconsistent. maybe bungie will eventually fix whatever it is
@@judgement3814 that's really odd but good to know, thanks. if i encounter any more weirdness with it i'll bear it in mind and see if sword stuff fixes it
Does anybody know what the gameplay loop for this would be? I’m new to destiny and this is my first build, so I don’t really know what’s going to happen
Could you use buried bloodline with the catalyst to proc devour and therefore have constant healing and then swap out that healing finisher with special ammo finisher instead?
Yeah that would work for sure. I still like ergo because of the option of either single target damage with light attacks, or with occasional heavy attacks and swapping to something else in between or using the movement parts of the build. You don't want to be standing there firing ADS with bloodline for too long (although I love bloodline, it's amazing)
That's a tough question because most of the standalone exotics are much more limited in what their effects apply to. You could run Cyrtarachne's Facade for woven mail from the grapples, but it won't proc from gunpowder gamble or prismatic nade. You could run Foetracer for the same benefit to damage on all 3 weapons, but you'll have a lot less damage resistance so it won't be as effective in harder content. Maybe try Gifted Conviction for damage resistance when you jolt enemies with the ascension, or Assassin's Cowl for invisibility and extra healing off the grapple melees. Either way, without Foetracer you won't be so limited with weapon/ability element matching so could experiment there too - but it would also be fundamentally a very different build
I have cyrtarachne/caliban and then verity/inmost. You think the cyrtarachne/caliban would be better for this? I feel caliban is almost useless with the smoke bomb. :/
Yeah you could try the caliban one and change the smoke bomb but you'll lose the weaken and surge synergy from foetracer for a void heavy, especially as the weaken is stronger with expanding abyss. The most important part is the cyrtarachne, and without foetracer and weaken you have more flexibility on weapon elements, but make sure you still have a lot of elemental debuff effects for the GPG procs
@glacierrays sounds good. I got the catalyst and a caster perfect 5th ergo sum, so I've been dying to make a build around it because the power fantasy with that sword is insane. Haha thank you. Also your page is awesome. That other video about killing the strand and stasis meanies was definitely life changing haha.
Glad to hear it! I knew I had my work cut out convincing people on the Foetracer part, which is why I went so in depth. Last night I even ran this exact build for the 1st boss of Master Salvation's Edge and honestly it worked so well even there
@@DPedrollo seriously though, i still haven't really played on my alts yet, but i intend to make builds for both titan and warlock once i'm fully familiar with it
Thanks for confirming, I was going to test it myself once i got it but suspected it wouldn't as it doesn't count as an ability for proccing anything else...
Do people typically not use any stat increasing mods at all? I know if armor is good enough you don't have to but do the youtubers think that everyone has armor like that. "Okay I made your build but none of my stats are over 60" lol
In this build I have 100 Mobility, 100 Resilience and 80 Discipline, and yes I use stat mods where I have space for them along with well rolled artifice armour. But it's redundant to mention that in a build video as stat mods needed will vary depending on each individual player's available armour, and they will make the best of it as they can regardless
@@glacierrays yeah but from an average player standpoint they wont have artifice armor and they will need stat mods on every piece of armor meaning if they want to run your build they have to sacrifice the stats they have. I'm just telling you from an average player, not coming at you. Other youtubers do it too. I think it would be good to mention that no matter what they need to shoot for 100 resilience.
@@Johangecoolwith imostlight you always have your DR up at all times and when you pop transcendent you can spam your smoke and transcendent grenade almost like a wombo combo and it does soooooooo much damage. The spamming is like pre nerf infinite trip-mine build on solar hunter but it’s better because every time you throw your nade you get DR and with imostlight you literally get your abilities back hella quick.
@@Johangecool best I try tried it also I have both rolls but like the imostlight one a little better. I play a lot of top tier pve content like GM’s and stuff and it comes in handy when soloing or taking on difficult content. The foretracer is good but you can’t really keep all that up time all the time like the other build so I choose the imostlight pairing.
I really wish people would stop making build videos with a 1/64 random drop exotic class item. Do you know how many people can actually use your build? Nice video, but a complete waste of my time as I’ll never get that drop.
The build focus of this entire expansion is Prismatic, and by extension the double perk class items that can only be used with Prismatic, and which have way more synergy than regular exotics due to being able to mix and match abilities to suit them (plus more versatility e.g. Spirit Of Cyrtarachne working from any grenade, whereas the main exotic only works with grapple). And ignoring that, I even say in the video that the most important spirit is Cyrtarachne and you have options for the other one, but then I make an argument specifically for Foetracer. But if you want you can use a different spirit and instead use regular surge mods, and a more monochromatic weapon loadout
For those who don't have the exotic class armor, what do we can use?
Pinning this comment because a lot of people will be thinking this. Here's a reply I sent earlier:
That's a tough question because most of the standalone exotics are much more limited in what their effects apply to. You could run Cyrtarachne's Facade for woven mail from the grapples, but it won't proc from gunpowder gamble or prismatic nade. You could run Foetracer for the same boost to damage on all 3 weapons, but you'll have a lot less damage resistance so it won't be as effective in harder content. Maybe try Gifted Conviction for damage resistance when you jolt enemies with the ascension, or Assassin's Cowl for invisibility and extra healing off the grapple melees. Either way, without Foetracer you won't be so limited with weapon/ability element matching so could experiment there too - but it would also fundamentally be quite a different build
This is the inherent problem with gating the exotic cloak behind a group activity. Solo players are left out all season…
@@sdrawz I've moved to The First Descendant.
I'm enjoying it.
Yeah I'm getting really tired of going to these build videos only to find out halfway through that it's built around the exotic class items. They need disclaimers on this shit.
Thank you for pointing out this needs the exotic class armor, now I know not to waste my time watching this
Thanks for actually making a unique build instead of the same 3 as everyone else, definitely gonna try this one out
You're welcome! I've been bored of Liars + Combination Blow for years already, so even though that build is now much better I just don't care LOL. Would much rather try out builds like this
A fellow Blink enjoyer!
Prismatic just simply takes it to new levels. Grapple, Grapple Blink Melees, Grapple Ascension to carry momentum, Grapple Ascension Melees, Amplified for basic traversing, Ascension for momentum resets or upward traversal...it's so good if you stick with it. ❤
I remember seeing your blink clip from Salvation's Edge and thinking the same!
The thoughtfulness, care and attention to detail in this build is superb! Im excited to try it out the next time i login. NGL im tired of dodge melee spam too 😂
Honestly i've never liked the dodge+melee liars spam, even when it was a new thing. It just feels weird that the safest and easiest build which uses next to no ammo, and also heals you, also does the most damage??? And they just made it even stronger with prismatic lmao
Best Prismatic Build in terms of Fun and Playstyle and Uniqueness
been running this aspect and grapple build since launch, the most fun ive had as hunter
my dude, this is actually an S-Tier guide. The build seems nice too, gonna test it later for sure!
Checking back in, this is hands down the best build I’ve ever used. Every single aspect of it serves a purpose and loops back into each other.
I legit can’t find another prismatic build that does Boss Damage, ad clear, ability spam, and constant damage resist and healing uptime all at once and this efficiently.
I’ve tried making it work with Still Hunt and Act 2 artifact perks, and it’s straight up even more broken.
EDIT:
If you spec into auto rifles on the artifact, holy shit, every encounter with Choir of One is over too quickly.
Thank you so much! I've barely ran anything else since making it myself, I'm still really happy with it
@@glacierrays legit, I feel like this build is karma for me every trying to stray away from being a Hunter Main. Never forgetting my roots thanks to you 🫶
Will definitely be using ascension once it starts counting as a class ability and works with stuff like HOIL and reaper! I've been running a similar build but with winters shroud for that class ability regen
Yeah it needs to imo, and I don't think there's a good reason for it not to work with those mods currently
I’m gonna miss this build, but it’s legacy lives on in my crtyrachne + foetracer cloak, hope it can adapt all the Episode: Revenant artifact perks
Thank you awesome build I love it
3 things my good sir:
-Imma need another week (which i literally dont have) to get foetracer/cyrtarachne's
-Can i substitute demol/hatchling Breachlight with demol/headstone Bold Endings?
-When tf did you list the armor mods (besides nade kickstart and insulation)
If you will be using cyrta/foetracers then you would need to switch grapple for duskfield grenade to get that damage bonus
This is almost spooky, I was watching this while opening chests in the Landing and I got a class item with Cytarachne and Foetracer!
It's an omen that you've found your new favourite build 😉
I like this build, not the same 2 ive seen everywhere. But is the Ergo Sums catalyst a must have for the build? I dont wish to do GM Excision at all
No not a must have at all, it just helps with ammo economy but as it's special ammo anyway it's not too bad
Im soo stupid i played the entire final shape campaign without realizing i could've used prismatic class
Sick build, but can the Perfect Fifth Ergo be swapped out for a different one, like maybe arc Conductor? I don't have a Perfect Fifth roll yet. :
Yes it absolutely could. And you should still be able to proc foetracer for it as well from Ascension
Did some testing and it doesnt look like foetracer is proccing off of gunpowder gamble nor the fire portion of the hailfire spike/prismatic grenade. With this build its only proccing foetracer's 4x solar surge from golden gun.
I'm afraid that's not true, I have clips from individual testing of both GPG and the solar from hailfire spike proccing Solar Weapon Boost x4 - however I will admit I did have a few times where the hailfire was a little inconsistent, sometimes giving me the solar boost a few seconds delayed after the solar damage started. Try testing again and making sure you're holding the ergo out the entire time. Also the solar boost text for some reason isn't prioritised so it gets pushed off the screen if there are 4 other buffs/debuffs, it's incredible Bungie thinks I need to see my elemental pickup cooldowns more than that lol
@glacierrays I read that the gunpowder gamble is coded as the element of the grenade you have equipped. So with verity you need to match the grenade element with the weapon element. Might be the same for foe tracer.
@@glacierrays Okay i tested it again and i got the 4x solar surge to appear with ergo sum from gunpowder gamble. Fun thing to note is that you can trigger the 4x solar surge just from sticking the gunpowder gamble onto a yellowbar. But for some reason the 4x surge doesn't appear for any other weapon but ergo sum. Tried it with sunshot and nullify and no 4x surge appeared after hitting the same yellow bar I did the prior ergo sum test on with gunpowder. Also unfortunately haven't been able to trigger the 4x surge from hailfire
Did some more testing. And it turns out its swords in general. First thing was I tested if it was based on ammo type. Equipped still hunt, threw gunpowder, no surge. Then I tested weapon type. Gunpowder gave the 4x surge to Lament.
The solar surge persisted when i swapped from lament to nullify, and nullify's damage was increased by the 4x solar surges. I then tested throwing gunpowder gamble with a non solar sword equipped, in my case it was half truths. And after throwing the GPG and having it explode with said sword equipped, i swapped back to nullify to find the 4x solar surge appear on the buff list.
So it looks like u just need to have any kind of sword out when gunpowder hits or explodes on the yellowbar to proc the solar surge from said gunpowder
@@Elizan723 huh that's weird. i just checked my clip of GPG working during my tests and it was when I had magnetic grenade equipped (void). There's definitely something funky going on though because it and hailfire can be inconsistent. maybe bungie will eventually fix whatever it is
@@judgement3814 that's really odd but good to know, thanks. if i encounter any more weirdness with it i'll bear it in mind and see if sword stuff fixes it
As nature intended
Does anybody know what the gameplay loop for this would be? I’m new to destiny and this is my first build, so I don’t really know what’s going to happen
Could you use buried bloodline with the catalyst to proc devour and therefore have constant healing and then swap out that healing finisher with special ammo finisher instead?
Yeah that would work for sure. I still like ergo because of the option of either single target damage with light attacks, or with occasional heavy attacks and swapping to something else in between or using the movement parts of the build. You don't want to be standing there firing ADS with bloodline for too long (although I love bloodline, it's amazing)
@@glacierrays I was just thinking so you could also take advantage of the volatile rounds that you also get quite often
amazing
what exo would you recommend if I dont wanna do the 2man activity for the exo class item?
That's a tough question because most of the standalone exotics are much more limited in what their effects apply to. You could run Cyrtarachne's Facade for woven mail from the grapples, but it won't proc from gunpowder gamble or prismatic nade. You could run Foetracer for the same benefit to damage on all 3 weapons, but you'll have a lot less damage resistance so it won't be as effective in harder content. Maybe try Gifted Conviction for damage resistance when you jolt enemies with the ascension, or Assassin's Cowl for invisibility and extra healing off the grapple melees. Either way, without Foetracer you won't be so limited with weapon/ability element matching so could experiment there too - but it would also be fundamentally a very different build
Do the 2 man activity once and then farm chests in pale heart?
@@IMLegend9 yeah this is a better answer than mine lol
Do you need someone to run it with? I'll help you if so
@@IMLegend9 I thought you could only get them from that activity. lel
You should make a DIM armor link for easy access
Good point I forgot about that, thanks for reminding me!
here's the link, I also added it to the description dim.gg/xtmzz3a/"Jack-Of-All-Nades"-Ascension-GPG-Ergo-Build
I have cyrtarachne/caliban and then verity/inmost. You think the cyrtarachne/caliban would be better for this? I feel caliban is almost useless with the smoke bomb. :/
Yeah you could try the caliban one and change the smoke bomb but you'll lose the weaken and surge synergy from foetracer for a void heavy, especially as the weaken is stronger with expanding abyss. The most important part is the cyrtarachne, and without foetracer and weaken you have more flexibility on weapon elements, but make sure you still have a lot of elemental debuff effects for the GPG procs
@glacierrays sounds good. I got the catalyst and a caster perfect 5th ergo sum, so I've been dying to make a build around it because the power fantasy with that sword is insane. Haha thank you. Also your page is awesome. That other video about killing the strand and stasis meanies was definitely life changing haha.
@@Elizan723 thank you! I love my ergo too, it's very hard for me to equip anything else right now
@glacierrays ergo sum army. I even use that arc conductor one for brain dead onslaught runs with gifted conviction.
I had just gotten that class item roll before watching this and was about to delete it. Guess I'll give this build a shot.
Glad to hear it! I knew I had my work cut out convincing people on the Foetracer part, which is why I went so in depth. Last night I even ran this exact build for the 1st boss of Master Salvation's Edge and honestly it worked so well even there
If you were a Titan, what build would you use?
The Banner Of War aspect
@@glacierrays lol! Indeed.
@@DPedrollo seriously though, i still haven't really played on my alts yet, but i intend to make builds for both titan and warlock once i'm fully familiar with it
The thumbnail brought me here haha
THANK YOU. That thumbnail tagline came to me when I was very sleep deprived just before I uploaded, and I knew I had to go with it haha
How can i unlock the fire nature for prismatic ?
tried inmost light with ascension and unfortunately ascension doesnt count as an ability for anything such as reaper or hoil :(
Thanks for confirming, I was going to test it myself once i got it but suspected it wouldn't as it doesn't count as an ability for proccing anything else...
Do people typically not use any stat increasing mods at all? I know if armor is good enough you don't have to but do the youtubers think that everyone has armor like that. "Okay I made your build but none of my stats are over 60" lol
In this build I have 100 Mobility, 100 Resilience and 80 Discipline, and yes I use stat mods where I have space for them along with well rolled artifice armour. But it's redundant to mention that in a build video as stat mods needed will vary depending on each individual player's available armour, and they will make the best of it as they can regardless
@@glacierrays yeah but from an average player standpoint they wont have artifice armor and they will need stat mods on every piece of armor meaning if they want to run your build they have to sacrifice the stats they have. I'm just telling you from an average player, not coming at you. Other youtubers do it too. I think it would be good to mention that no matter what they need to shoot for 100 resilience.
Running it with imostlight gives you constant resistance it’s kinda busted
Nvm I think this is Loki better 😭 but it depends
@@juwanrigby1924wait why? I don't have either but wondering 😊
@@Johangecoolwith imostlight you always have your DR up at all times and when you pop transcendent you can spam your smoke and transcendent grenade almost like a wombo combo and it does soooooooo much damage. The spamming is like pre nerf infinite trip-mine build on solar hunter but it’s better because every time you throw your nade you get DR and with imostlight you literally get your abilities back hella quick.
@@juwanrigby1924 then why you said fortracer might be better?
@@Johangecool best I try tried it also I have both rolls but like the imostlight one a little better. I play a lot of top tier pve content like GM’s and stuff and it comes in handy when soloing or taking on difficult content. The foretracer is good but you can’t really keep all that up time all the time like the other build so I choose the imostlight pairing.
I really wish people would stop making build videos with a 1/64 random drop exotic class item. Do you know how many people can actually use your build?
Nice video, but a complete waste of my time as I’ll never get that drop.
The build focus of this entire expansion is Prismatic, and by extension the double perk class items that can only be used with Prismatic, and which have way more synergy than regular exotics due to being able to mix and match abilities to suit them (plus more versatility e.g. Spirit Of Cyrtarachne working from any grenade, whereas the main exotic only works with grapple).
And ignoring that, I even say in the video that the most important spirit is Cyrtarachne and you have options for the other one, but then I make an argument specifically for Foetracer.
But if you want you can use a different spirit and instead use regular surge mods, and a more monochromatic weapon loadout