Icefall buff was one of my favorite things. Old icefall sacrificing your movement meant you had 1 of 2 situations 1. You are defending vs something that isn't threatening enough that you wouldn't be better off killing 2. You are defending vs some damage momentarily that you wouldn't have survived otherwise, but the actual impact on the activity your playing isn't changed and you would have had just about the same impact as hiding behind cover. It went from being as "exotic" as hiding behind cover, to enabling you to stay at the forefront of battle as an ice tank. Losing the surges is a bit of a minus, but its a worthwile sacrifice to take the exotic from good in patrols into viable everywhere
@TheArcturusProject I explained how it wasn't good in the past, but I didn't specifically say what's good about it now, so that's a somewhat fair response. Now with the healing and constant uptime of frost armor you have a feedback loop of tons of stasis shards generated which feeds into your entire team's melee cooldown, while being mobile and defensive. The old design rewarded playing bad or making mistakes, which once you become slightly better (not even sweaty but just more experienced) you get less and less reward from the exotic, while now it rewards interesting decisions in moment to moment gameplay, and interesting decisions during build making Lastly, its best use pre rework was as a can't die button, and all "can't die" buttons are infinitely more boring than the sweatiest copy/paste meta stuff.
The Exotic Titan Mark with the Drengr's Aspect, Khepris, and Hoarfrost is a LOT of fun Shatter, Ignite, and suspend everything. You only notice the suspend if they survive the shatter, but still very fun
I found with Raijus, you can get a big chunk of your super back after casting it. I don't know what's causing it, however. I just keep finding that I'll sometimes get half my super back almost instantly. On top of that, if you use Tempest Strike into a crowd, the jolt on it when it kills gives a good chunk
Don't get me wrong I love that Mask of the Quiet One now gives Devour, I just wish it did something a little more unique, you know? I had an idea where volatile pulses granted ability energy and extra health for your allies when you have controlled demo equipped
Blight Ranger losing the ability to generate Orbs has literally killed it. It was trash before, but the Orbs it could make was nutty and good for teammates. Now it's just straight shit.
Now here's a bit of an odd question that might be up your alley as the forgotten exotics guy. Especially since it's a potential... side/unofficial buff via a changing of game mechanics? With the changes to barricades now "taunting" enemies , how do Citan ramparts perform? Think it might be able to offer a new niche with the change or will the nerf it applies to barricades health only become more apparent with this change? They seem pretty paper thin in pvp, but how healthy/weak is it in pve now that enemies will actually fire at it?
I haven't returned to Citan's since my video on it a few months ago. That being said, I have noticed the taunt with the stock barricade, and it seem pretty decent. With that ALSO being said, the enemies you taunt definitely target the barricade, not you. So if you simply peak around the side, you'll more than likely be safe. It kinda removes the need for Citan's in that regard, but it's definitely something I'll have to keep my eye on in the next week or so. As far as the barricade's strength, last time I tried it with Citan's, it definitely was weaker, but it still withstood a decent amount of incoming fire before breaking. If the numbers in this update are to be believed, a barricade under the influence of Citan's should be able to handle about twice as much beating before collapsing. Sounds great on paper, but I can't say anything for certain until I actually tinker with it.
Made a young ahamkara’s spine pvp build last episode and it is incredibly fun, tried its updated version last night in pvp and it feels so good, I got my grenade back in like 20 seconds
I opted to pass on that one since all they did was move the numbers around. Not very exciting. That being said though, I do believe Verity's will be really good. That's a pretty insane roll, too. Give it a go! :D
@@TiggleMeTimbersverity is niche but probably the Most op niche Thing in the Game... I really Hope they don't Change that cause this basically carries both atheon and rhulk dps
9:01 speaking of the original exotics, alpha lupi--just alpha lupi, no exotic class item--works with thruster now. On plain ol' arc titan. Not gamebreaking, but definitely interesting
What I like to do is use the stasis punch with ice fall mantle to travel long distances and then pop my class ability to basically turn my titan into a flying freeze bomb
Titan Mains, we are eating so fucking good this season: Icefall with the new exotic stasis gl is the most fun I've had in destiny in a long time, stasis is now as cool as I wished/hoped/dreamed it would be during the beyond light reveal!
Mask of the Quiet one now invalidates devour on not 1, but 2 different Warlock subclasses. Just delete Warlocks at this point since the other 2 classes just do everything better.
I was most hyped for Blight Ranger's changes but still left me disappointed. Picking up Raiju's perks was a great choice but the reflect damage is kinda trash. They would need to up the damage by a lot to make it worth running in PvE. You also run into the issue where some of the ads arn't as aggressive as they need to be to justify using it. It's cool exotic but by Bungie playing it safe and not giving it the reflect the damage it deserves it will always be a meme pick.
I’m against the way Bungie handled the Icefall mantle rework. It feels too much like a stasis themed Crest of Alpha Lupi. The overshield and stasis surge (especially no stasis super requirement) made icefall a quality pick if you needed a huge burst of tanking and dps at the cost of mobility and class ability. I’ll miss it, but I’m not too torn up because Icefall now allows me to run a different aspect than tectonic harvest while being able to acquire frost armor
My ideal rework would’ve replaced the stasis surge with the ability to build up frost armor like we can now. This way you can build into frost armor anyway while having an overshield that would stack with frost armor, granting (as far as I remember) 700+ Effective HP.
Balidors could still be quite good with return, since you can cancel the second volley of stasis by shattering earlier, extending your super by about 35% and doing more shatter to get more stacks off Also love the change for Mask of the Quiet One, my first exo. It now truely has emergency healing
Icefall is much better in low to mid game content including things like dungeons but things like GM's where frost armor is practically useless there were actual uses for icefall being that it granted 62.5% dr, 100 extra hp, and a 25% damage buff and unlike in other content you don't exactly move much anyways so the downside is basically none existent. So I guess if this is good or not depends on the content you play.
I hope we get more surge reworks. Fuck surge exotic armors. That shit is super wack. Making your exotic be some glorified legendary pants is not cool. I miss the stacking damage of path of burning steps
Balidorse feels even more ass honestly. Yeah on paper it’s sounds ok but the bonus shatter damage being only from your super that YOU have to freeze is lame. This is made even worse if your teammates are also running stasis because then now you have to fight your teammates for freezes just to get the bonus damage.
stasis is still weak and icefall mantle doesnt allow you tank one shot abilities like before now if frost armor has higher DR like 40%DR in PVE and 20% in PVP it would've been better but as of right now it still feels situational.
the fact that raijus (inconsistently) restores up to 50% super energy on super use like orpheus makes me think they worded it badly and that you dont actually get super energy off regular kills, just kills with the super. im still annoyed that sanguine punishes you for using kinetic weapons. i just wanna sit in a rift all day with a ToM but that would mean bungie give us a reason to use ToM.
It was bound to happen, it's used in a lot of the solo raid speed runs for a reason. It's a bit of an outlier, and it's not like it was nerfed into the ground. I'm quite happy it has a purpose in PvP now and it has less restrictions for PvE personally.
@@seb5542 can't even one mag a champ in higher end content. It's a champ killer exotic that don't kill champs. Tf is the point? Specially when I can just one tap any champ wit liars
@@dabtasticcharizard9817"can't kill a champ with one mag". It's literally a primary. Most heavies can't deal that dmg broå It's not a champ kill exotic, its an exotic that gives more viability to your primary weapon when you ran out of heavy, not to use it as heavy and use heavy as add clear.
Icefall was nerfed. Plain and simple. It's not bad, but it doesn't fulfill the ice tank fantasy they were going for. They could have just left it as it was, or better yet, given it old whisper of chains and got rid of the regen cooldown. The slow movement was mostly a hinderance in pvp. Most people who like the changes never actually gave it a fair shot or just called it a bad exotic. Sometimes I wonder if bungie actually tests these changes.
I used it bunch and at one point it was my favorite exotic, to me this was a buff. The icefall mantel movement debuff was really painful to deal with, to the point that you constantly had to get rid of the shield if you wanted to jump or get fast to an objective. Now it's much better for stasis builds, you have your class ability faster and if you want the damage back you can just put the mods in your legs for elemental stasis damage (which are easy to proc with charged with light in stasis)
I used to be able to run in at a champion with my sword and kill it before my icefall overshield broke and get out safely. Just imagine what it could have been with the now buffed unbreakable aspect and diamond lance frost armor slam.
Now I go into a lost sector and get shredded by acolytes and only last a second longer from the 5% health I get from frost armor gains. You can't kill fast enough or have enough enemies to outheal the damage you are taking, nor can the stasis shards really help all that much. Stasis titan had it easy enough to get frost armor, and now even more with diamond lance's buff. So why do I need this?
Idk what you're expecting for Titan then tbh. I haven't played my titan in over a year and my hunter not in 2 years. I did try some stuff out for Titans yesterday with Icefall and MotqO. It wont make me a Titan main by any stretch. Ive been playing warlock so much I have a decent grasp on the class but I'll at least swap to Titan now. Icefall Mantle looks like a big enough change in gameplay to make it fun rather than the standard "activate barricade to shoot out XYZ projectiles"
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I cant believe Icefall Mantle still doesn't have an ornament lmao
Lol you think that's funny? Try verity's brow lol
@@Incarnox I’m just glad Cenotaph got one
just like wormgods carress, since warmind lmfao
Have some respect, peacekeepers look hideous and been here since day one
isn't there a cool ice-looking ornament?
we did it boys and girls we got a video under 20 min explaining the new changes to exotics
thank u so much
Loved the part where they shot Blight Ranger in the face and gave all its money to Raiju's Harness
Me, a stasis titan since release: "We're so back."
Icefall buff was one of my favorite things.
Old icefall sacrificing your movement meant you had 1 of 2 situations
1. You are defending vs something that isn't threatening enough that you wouldn't be better off killing
2. You are defending vs some damage momentarily that you wouldn't have survived otherwise, but the actual impact on the activity your playing isn't changed and you would have had just about the same impact as hiding behind cover.
It went from being as "exotic" as hiding behind cover, to enabling you to stay at the forefront of battle as an ice tank.
Losing the surges is a bit of a minus, but its a worthwile sacrifice to take the exotic from good in patrols into viable everywhere
It’s trash now. It literally just gives you frost armor… I can get frost armor without my exotic…
@TheArcturusProject I explained how it wasn't good in the past, but I didn't specifically say what's good about it now, so that's a somewhat fair response.
Now with the healing and constant uptime of frost armor you have a feedback loop of tons of stasis shards generated which feeds into your entire team's melee cooldown, while being mobile and defensive.
The old design rewarded playing bad or making mistakes, which once you become slightly better (not even sweaty but just more experienced) you get less and less reward from the exotic, while now it rewards interesting decisions in moment to moment gameplay, and interesting decisions during build making
Lastly, its best use pre rework was as a can't die button, and all "can't die" buttons are infinitely more boring than the sweatiest copy/paste meta stuff.
@@TheArcturusProjectit was trash before even if you think these new buffs also make it trasg
The Exotic Titan Mark with the Drengr's Aspect, Khepris, and Hoarfrost is a LOT of fun
Shatter, Ignite, and suspend everything. You only notice the suspend if they survive the shatter, but still very fun
Mask of the quiet one is a BANGER NOW
I've been loving icefall mantle with the new GL. It's no GM build but is incredibly fun in the new onslaught
It gives you frost armor very quickly. I’m a big fan of it, however Bold Endings is hard put down this season.
Icefall has been making me actually want to play titan this season, its great
I found with Raijus, you can get a big chunk of your super back after casting it. I don't know what's causing it, however. I just keep finding that I'll sometimes get half my super back almost instantly. On top of that, if you use Tempest Strike into a crowd, the jolt on it when it kills gives a good chunk
It's the jolt from the lightning strikes the super spits out now
Don't get me wrong I love that Mask of the Quiet One now gives Devour, I just wish it did something a little more unique, you know? I had an idea where volatile pulses granted ability energy and extra health for your allies when you have controlled demo equipped
Great video! My wife is a Titan main so this is really going to help her out.
Blight Ranger losing the ability to generate Orbs has literally killed it. It was trash before, but the Orbs it could make was nutty and good for teammates. Now it's just straight shit.
Now here's a bit of an odd question that might be up your alley as the forgotten exotics guy. Especially since it's a potential... side/unofficial buff via a changing of game mechanics? With the changes to barricades now "taunting" enemies , how do Citan ramparts perform? Think it might be able to offer a new niche with the change or will the nerf it applies to barricades health only become more apparent with this change? They seem pretty paper thin in pvp, but how healthy/weak is it in pve now that enemies will actually fire at it?
I haven't returned to Citan's since my video on it a few months ago. That being said, I have noticed the taunt with the stock barricade, and it seem pretty decent. With that ALSO being said, the enemies you taunt definitely target the barricade, not you. So if you simply peak around the side, you'll more than likely be safe. It kinda removes the need for Citan's in that regard, but it's definitely something I'll have to keep my eye on in the next week or so.
As far as the barricade's strength, last time I tried it with Citan's, it definitely was weaker, but it still withstood a decent amount of incoming fire before breaking. If the numbers in this update are to be believed, a barricade under the influence of Citan's should be able to handle about twice as much beating before collapsing. Sounds great on paper, but I can't say anything for certain until I actually tinker with it.
3:35 I wonder if the debuff needs to be fully applied, and the enemy needs to be affected by the debuff before dying
Lowk really like sanguine and skull of dire ahamkars now
Lucky pants Erianas goes so hard. You can actually use it without going out of luck every second. My love for Erianas has skyrocketed
They should make it so titans have somewhat of a phoenix dive or rather a stasis smash when using icefall mantle
I agree, they need to make mantle slam the titan down when activated or atleast let the modified ability be used in air
I mean technically they do with Diamond lance
Made a young ahamkara’s spine pvp build last episode and it is incredibly fun, tried its updated version last night in pvp and it feels so good, I got my grenade back in like 20 seconds
Sub earned keep it up big dog
No Verity's Brow for Warlock? Was wondering if it's worth trying out now since I have a really good roll with 26 rec/30 dis…
I opted to pass on that one since all they did was move the numbers around. Not very exciting. That being said though, I do believe Verity's will be really good. That's a pretty insane roll, too. Give it a go! :D
@@TiggleMeTimbersverity is niche but probably the Most op niche Thing in the Game... I really Hope they don't Change that cause this basically carries both atheon and rhulk dps
Blight ranger needs a rework adsp
After a lil testing myself, khepris horn does not get the thruster changes that the spirit version of it got.
lucky pants absolutely slap in pvp
9:01 speaking of the original exotics, alpha lupi--just alpha lupi, no exotic class item--works with thruster now. On plain ol' arc titan. Not gamebreaking, but definitely interesting
Icefall mantle is my new favorite exotic
I get half of my super back using Raju‘s harness now. Not sure why yet
What I like to do is use the stasis punch with ice fall mantle to travel long distances and then pop my class ability to basically turn my titan into a flying freeze bomb
I wish Wishful Ignorance did more of the spastic chicken build rather then just being mostly a damage merchant
Titan Mains, we are eating so fucking good this season: Icefall with the new exotic stasis gl is the most fun I've had in destiny in a long time, stasis is now as cool as I wished/hoped/dreamed it would be during the beyond light reveal!
yay its nice seeing titan mains happy, rather than asking for other classes to get nerfed :D
@@truv_ Titan mains will never be happy lol
I want dunemarchers to be buffed to include throwing melees again ):
For raijus, i just put a dynamo mod on. Its not much, but it does become slightly more noticable
Dire ahamkara. Combine that with 3 weapons with Dealers Choice and GG.
what's the shader on the thumbnail?
@@OPCI_2501_V Cryptic Legacy from Deep Stone Crypt.
@@TiggleMeTimbers i see, thanks man
Good job well explained 🎉
Blight Ranger’s description didn’t even look incredible though
Mask of the Quiet one now invalidates devour on not 1, but 2 different Warlock subclasses.
Just delete Warlocks at this point since the other 2 classes just do everything better.
I used to melt bosses with demo+spine can’t wait to slam dunk the dungeon bosses with it again
I was most hyped for Blight Ranger's changes but still left me disappointed. Picking up Raiju's perks was a great choice but the reflect damage is kinda trash. They would need to up the damage by a lot to make it worth running in PvE. You also run into the issue where some of the ads arn't as aggressive as they need to be to justify using it. It's cool exotic but by Bungie playing it safe and not giving it the reflect the damage it deserves it will always be a meme pick.
Should try out some melee builds with the updated shatter strike melee on titan...it might actually not be complete and utter ass tier garbage now
@@hiredmuscle404 You're right, I've really been enjoying using it. It's on my radar for sure!
I’m against the way Bungie handled the Icefall mantle rework. It feels too much like a stasis themed Crest of Alpha Lupi. The overshield and stasis surge (especially no stasis super requirement) made icefall a quality pick if you needed a huge burst of tanking and dps at the cost of mobility and class ability. I’ll miss it, but I’m not too torn up because Icefall now allows me to run a different aspect than tectonic harvest while being able to acquire frost armor
My ideal rework would’ve replaced the stasis surge with the ability to build up frost armor like we can now. This way you can build into frost armor anyway while having an overshield that would stack with frost armor, granting (as far as I remember) 700+ Effective HP.
Balidors could still be quite good with return, since you can cancel the second volley of stasis by shattering earlier, extending your super by about 35% and doing more shatter to get more stacks off
Also love the change for Mask of the Quiet One, my first exo. It now truely has emergency healing
I have no idea what you're trying to say
Icefall is much better in low to mid game content including things like dungeons but things like GM's where frost armor is practically useless there were actual uses for icefall being that it granted 62.5% dr, 100 extra hp, and a 25% damage buff and unlike in other content you don't exactly move much anyways so the downside is basically none existent.
So I guess if this is good or not depends on the content you play.
I hope we get more surge reworks. Fuck surge exotic armors. That shit is super wack. Making your exotic be some glorified legendary pants is not cool. I miss the stacking damage of path of burning steps
Balidorse feels even more ass honestly. Yeah on paper it’s sounds ok but the bonus shatter damage being only from your super that YOU have to freeze is lame. This is made even worse if your teammates are also running stasis because then now you have to fight your teammates for freezes just to get the bonus damage.
stasis is still weak and icefall mantle doesnt allow you tank one shot abilities like before
now if frost armor has higher DR like 40%DR in PVE and 20% in PVP it would've been better but as of right now it still feels situational.
7:22 Then Falling Star can screw right off, and is dead as shit.
raijus is bugged and reduces super regen 💀
It may be a bug for raijus, but ive been getting up to half my super back when im casting the super whilst surrounded by enemies.
I hope so. If they fix the super gains, Raiju's could be a really killer exotic to run.
Tiggle
the fact that raijus (inconsistently) restores up to 50% super energy on super use like orpheus makes me think they worded it badly and that you dont actually get super energy off regular kills, just kills with the super.
im still annoyed that sanguine punishes you for using kinetic weapons. i just wanna sit in a rift all day with a ToM but that would mean bungie give us a reason to use ToM.
Pissed bout the lucky pants nerf
It was bound to happen, it's used in a lot of the solo raid speed runs for a reason. It's a bit of an outlier, and it's not like it was nerfed into the ground. I'm quite happy it has a purpose in PvP now and it has less restrictions for PvE personally.
@@seb5542 can't even one mag a champ in higher end content. It's a champ killer exotic that don't kill champs. Tf is the point? Specially when I can just one tap any champ wit liars
@@dabtasticcharizard9817main a more skillful class 😂
@@afri2n main my nuts
@@dabtasticcharizard9817"can't kill a champ with one mag". It's literally a primary. Most heavies can't deal that dmg broå
It's not a champ kill exotic, its an exotic that gives more viability to your primary weapon when you ran out of heavy, not to use it as heavy and use heavy as add clear.
THANK GOODNESS FOR THE SPINE REVERT 🎉 I knew if felt beter
Just another example of Bungie being too afraid to make any meaningful buffs and changes.
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Bro became a forgotten exotic himself.
@@genzu6388 I have become the very thing I swore to defeat!
@@TiggleMeTimbersyou either die the ace of spades, or live long enough to turn into telesto.
Icefall was nerfed. Plain and simple. It's not bad, but it doesn't fulfill the ice tank fantasy they were going for. They could have just left it as it was, or better yet, given it old whisper of chains and got rid of the regen cooldown. The slow movement was mostly a hinderance in pvp. Most people who like the changes never actually gave it a fair shot or just called it a bad exotic. Sometimes I wonder if bungie actually tests these changes.
Agreed. Huge nerf for what I originally used it for and I'd kill to have the Overshield & 65% DR back in a heartbeat.
I used it bunch and at one point it was my favorite exotic, to me this was a buff. The icefall mantel movement debuff was really painful to deal with, to the point that you constantly had to get rid of the shield if you wanted to jump or get fast to an objective. Now it's much better for stasis builds, you have your class ability faster and if you want the damage back you can just put the mods in your legs for elemental stasis damage (which are easy to proc with charged with light in stasis)
I used to be able to run in at a champion with my sword and kill it before my icefall overshield broke and get out safely. Just imagine what it could have been with the now buffed unbreakable aspect and diamond lance frost armor slam.
Now I go into a lost sector and get shredded by acolytes and only last a second longer from the 5% health I get from frost armor gains. You can't kill fast enough or have enough enemies to outheal the damage you are taking, nor can the stasis shards really help all that much. Stasis titan had it easy enough to get frost armor, and now even more with diamond lance's buff. So why do I need this?
Agreed. It’s less tanky because it just gives you frost armor…. I can get frost armor on my own… I don’t need an exotic for that… it’s so worthless.
lol bungie thinks this will make people play more Titan what a joke. Won't even get me to come back to the game.
But you’re watching all these Destiny videos 💀
@@NamesMajin So and you replied to my comment. Look God we are doing stuff.
Then go play something else weirdo, no one's holding you hostage and forcing you to play.
Idk what you're expecting for Titan then tbh. I haven't played my titan in over a year and my hunter not in 2 years.
I did try some stuff out for Titans yesterday with Icefall and MotqO. It wont make me a Titan main by any stretch. Ive been playing warlock so much I have a decent grasp on the class but I'll at least swap to Titan now. Icefall Mantle looks like a big enough change in gameplay to make it fun rather than the standard "activate barricade to shoot out XYZ projectiles"
@@BattlePro3 tldr