A350 vs 787 - United's Big Order Decision
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- When United Airlines came knocking for an order for new widebody aircraft, it was between the Boeing 787 and Airbus A350, but what was a contributing factor to the decision and also, how does the current order, almost the forgotten one of the A350, play a part as well? Today I explore the big order decision by the airline.
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Pretty spot on. As a United 777 pilot, I am not part of management but I think I can add a little perspective. Like you said, United needs to replace its aging 757/767 and eventually its 777 fleets. The A321XLR (while not perfect) is currently the best replacement for the 757 and this transition is easy because we already fly the 320 series. The 767 is a bit harder to replace because there is no direct replacement, especially not any aircraft that United already flies. Management believes there will be enough growth in current 767 markets to support the 787-8 in the future. They also plan to incorporate a greater percentage of premium seating on some 787s to improve load factor and make the transition more practical. Finally, United flies multiple 777-200 and one 777-300(ER) variants. The 200 variants are much older compared to the 300. The 787-10 is an excellent, more efficient, replacement for the 777-200 on most routes. The 777-300ER will be flying for quite a while yet but when it does need replacing I see three options: stick with the smaller yet capable 787-10s, go with the A350 (specifically the A350-1000), or go with the new smaller 777-8. The first option is self explanatory, maybe United will be content with the capabilities of the 787 series and no longer need the larger 777s. The second and third options are where things get interesting because I have personally heard our CEO say we are not interested in the 777X series because it is just too big for optimal use in our current operations. The 777X wing is huge; the 777-9 series really exists to replace aging 747s. The 777-8 could replace the 300s but the -8 utilizes the same huge wing and is therefore, in theory, not as efficient as compared to the A350-1000 (which incorporates more composite materials) for a United 777-300ER replacement. This is why I think United hasn't cancelled its A350 order yet; it wants to figure out what solution will be the best for the Airlines' future. Once again, I am no expert, just my two cents.
True on both counts. The 767 is the hardest best fit. The 787-8 is still larger and heavier and designed for very long haul routes vs the 767 which was more medium long haul of flights 6 to 8 to 9 hours. DL has the same issue. But often time there is no such thing a perfect 1 for 1 replacement so you go to the next best or make network changes to support the best use of your fleet.
Being a 777 pilot, I think you are expert enough
Pretty good insight from a pro. Maybe you should look at graduating to a management position after flying.
You made very good points, but here's where I disagree in terms of the 777X as a replacement aircraft. Transitioning to the 777X is an easier option because United pilots can more easily transition to that aircraft, so only little additional training would be needed for current pilots to get certified for the X. The wings are not an issue because they fold up and become the same size as the current 777 wings during ground operations, then make the aircraft more fuel efficient in the air. Since they're more fuel efficient than the current 777, United can also offset the size excess by adding more premium seats in order to have a similar number of seats, but demand for flying is trending up, not down so more seats will likely be needed in the future, not fewer. This is why the 787-8 is a perfect replacement for the 767. Also, bear in mind that the Boeing widebody aircraft carriers more cargo/pallets than the Airbus widebody aircraft. With more passengers comes more cargo.
In order for United to introduce the A350-1000 into its fleet, it will not only have to spend millions of dollars to train and hire pilots for the aircraft since you can't just bump up a pilot from narrowbody to widebody, but it will also have to spend millions to build the infrastructure to service those new aircraft. Not only that, but the initial costs of the A350 will likely be more than that of a 777X because United will enjoy better discounts for Boeing widebody aircraft than an Airbus.
United has been wise not to cancel the A350 order yet mainly because they will have an advantage of delivery time slots on the A350, but ultimately they will likely go with the 777-9, not the 8 for a replacement of the 777-300. They are going to need capacity in the future.
@@mrcellophane3516 Haha, flying is such a good gig, it would be hard to give up!
I think United is encouraging Boeing to develop the 787-10ER with a 7,200 nautical mile range, too.
They will be one of the first to take it once it's available. Pefect replacement for the 777-200 ER
there already was a report 430nm improved range version of b787-10 coming
@@miraphycs7377 It's the upgraded versions of the 9 and 10 are already written to contracts for some carriers.
It’s already happening. That’s what Air NZ is getting.
The A350 is more range than that.
Kinda been thru that discussion already !!!
An order delayed 20 plus years should give you an idea they've pretty much decided where they're going for their future widebody needs !!
Exactly. Discussed many times. No intention to take them but some deal with Airbus to keep the 350 officially in the books. Airbus does that quite a bit.
@@johniii8147I could see United keep pushing this order off until either an A350NEO or A360 NMA is made. An A350 NEO is definitely happening by 2035 in my opinion as it would be about 20 years after the first A350’s were made. United’s orders are already in the 2030’s right now. And the potential NMA seems like a plane Airbus could also build. The A330NEO and A321XLR have been pretty good, but by 2040 the 330NEO will have no orders and the whole A320NEO family will probably be replaced by a new product. But an A350 NEO could be perfect for United in the 2030’s. United doesn’t seem to have a replacement for the GE-90 powered 777’s which is the 22 Continental 777-200ER’a and the 22 newer -300ER’s. An A350NEO could see a varient slightly larger than the -1000 which would replace the-300ER and a varient like the -900 to replace the-200ER. The improved 787-9/10 will be great but I doubt it could match the A350NEO as a 777 replacement. And United also just seems to lack interest in the 777X which would become outdated if an A350NEO was made as in its current form the 777X is arguably worse than the A350-1000.
I think United might be hoping that a 787-10ER comes along soon and that will solve their need for a long haul aircraft to replace their aging 777 fleet.
It's already well under development.
Well they should’ve just went on with the 350 order cuz the A350-900 has more range than even the rumoured 787-10ER and has roughly the same capacity as a 787-10
@@leafbottle9420 Nah you don't get how this works. You need sufficient range for your routes, not the "most". More range means more weight and cost. The 10ER will have plenty of range that the 77-200ER is used on on UA. The 787 is cheaper to operate and more compatible with their current and ordered fleet
A 787-10ER would not change much as United’s 787-9 is probably a better/equal 777-200ER replacement than the -10. The 787-9 and 777-200ER are used interchangeably on many routes already as they have basically the same amount of premium seats with only a 14 seat difference in economy. Their are currently some routes where United has 2x daily frequency with one 777-200ER and one high premium 767-300ER. 2x 787-9 is a perfect replacement. And on transatlantic routes from EWR, IAD, IAH, and ORD to Europe the 787-10 can easily do the routes. The routes it struggles to do are longer transpacific and transatlantic from SFO and DEN.
The A350 900/1000 is one of the best decisions of AIRBUS well done
United had disregarded the A350 years ago, so this is nothing new. 787 has always been a better fit for United.
Love the new channel…🙌🎉
You could also ask if Airbus is particularly interested in the United account. Airbus seems to have their order books filled for now and having a hard time getting enough planes delivered in time. It would be interesting to know the profit margins on narrow body airplanes compared to wide body airplanes. My guess is that both Boeing and Airbus would be content dominating the narrow body market. The A380 and the 777X gives a lot of exposure, but it much harder making money on that type of planes in todays market. It worked for the 747, but that was a different time entirely.
Airbus would just love to start delivery of A350s to United. But they would be reluctant to give United a deal for the A320 if that means getting rid of the A350 order.
Correct as AIRBUS is very busy leading the market; they have just secured a historic deal involving the most jets ever bought by a single airline, with an order for 500 narrowbody jets from Indian budget carrier IndiGo on the opening day of the Paris Airshow.
@@Concorde_001That's for A320neo family tho. Their wide body backlog is still lacking compared to Boeing and they will love any order they can get for 330neo and 350.
For those saying that United should order A350s, just wait until full service carriers start putting in 10 abreast economy
And shrink the pitch to 28-29 inches to squeeze in a few more rows.
It kinda depends what kind of aircraft (787/350/330neo) United wants to replace, where they want to fly said widebody aircraft, and the number of seats they can fill for that particular mission, as well as the deal/delivery slot available/fleet commonality.
The 787 can meet all their requirements with the various 8/9/10 and especially once the 10ER is released.
United is largely focused on domestic and European market. B787 and its variants can serve its market reasonably well as long as the acquisition cost is low. If it needs to replace its 777-300ER fleet, they will seriously consider A350. It has no need for 777X. United does have an urgent need to replace its aging 757 fleet. The other two US airlines have already decided on A321NEO enhanced version. United is scheduled to take XLR deliveries in 2024. One would expect Delta to secure a mega XLR order to replace its 757s, or convert its NEO order to XLR.
The ONLY reason they would consider the A350 (not because its a bloody good aircraft) is the same reason S. west pointed to the A220 (outclasses the Max in everyway)and then bought the Max was to screw Boeing on price. United will do the same. American businesses work to the dollar and profit- something I remember Boeing doing.
Ty dj!!
This video is a bit repetitive. It was stated twice that United is very satisfied to use the 787 -8, -9 and -10 variants because they are interchangeable depending on the specific capacity needs. Also the 787-8’s perfectly replace the aging 767’s and at a lower cost. This would not be the case with the 350 series. Why not cancel the Airbus order then? It’ll probably cost United a lot to cancel the order and United would loose the clout they now have in getting Boeing to give them a lower price on the 787’s they want anyway.
United has a growing problem though: there is no Boeing replacement for the 757’s (narrow bodies). Airbus does have a good replacement: the 321 XLR! Combining 321’s with future 350’s would make crewing for United extremely easy because certification for both aircraft types is the same. So United will hang on to their Airbus 350 order and who knows, maybe
try to combine it with a deal for 321’s!
Another US carrier needs A350 in their fleets. Delta only has A350 900 but are planning A350-1000. AA were supposed to be 1st US carrier to fly but cancelled order which was originally by US Airways before the buyout
I think you missed a big point, and that's United's strong presence in Asia, especially big market cities. The 787-10 doesn't have the necessary range for that particular hub and spoke model and the 787-9 is too small for major routes like SFO to Tokyo or LAX to Shanghai. United does need a big plane to do that. I think it will be the 777x-9, when their 300ers start getting older.
You underestimate the range of the 10. United already flies it from ORD and LAX to HND.
That will be years from now the -300ers are barely 7 years old
@@johniii8147 UAL881/882 (ORD-HND) is the longest scheduled 787-10 service out there, but even it is still well below the maxed out range of the 787-10 as is (a 787-10 could theoretically fly from Los Angeles to Hong Kong when packed full of fuel).
Costs to operate this fleet increases overhead by $120M annually from day one.
Boeing just announced (within last few days of this post) of a new manufacturing issue which may affect 787 deliveries. As you said it's not just about aircraft specs, its a multitude of various operational/engineering/ business factors that are forever dynamic. It's enormously complex.
I am sure the A350 is an exceptional airliner but its appearance reminds me of the German aircraft industry during World War. Those awkward cockpit windows hidden behind the racoon mask, the whole nose profile, and a fin that is disproportionately small. Aesthetics was clearly front and centre when the Boeing 787 was designed albeit not as sharkish as the first artist's impressions. Aesthetics is why the 747 came to symbolise international air travel for 40 years while the A380 has all the style of a double decker bus.
I believe United is also eyeing the 777x series which will eventually happen so they’ll be equipped with even more fuel-efficient Aircrafts in the 787 & 777x so opting for A350s I guess may throw things off balance for them in terms of commonality and familiarity. Besides Boeing is right there at their doorstep 🙏🏾❤️
Years down the road yet.
@@johniii8147 Not Really!! If you take a look at The Seattle Plant they already have more than 20 777Xs built and undergoing stringent flight tests etc. Supply issues these days are affecting all Aircraft Manufacturers so there are delays in delivering Aircrafts Globally!!
@@kojoharrison630 The delays in the 777X are not supply side.
@@Sedna063 Thanks &Sedna063 👍🏾. I’m aware of that! I was just making a side/additional comment on the current state of deliveries for all Manufacturers
@@kojoharrison630 My point was UA will not be ordering them for quite a while yet. They don't need them. They have made their choice with the 787 and Their current 777-300ERs are only 5 years old. Give it 8 to 10 years and the may order the 777-9
In other words... if they cancel it (A350), there is a penalty. No penalty to postpone... so postpone forever until they can either replace with another plane (A321?) or sell the A350 slots to Delta.
In other words... they keep the a350 order to brow beat Boeing who they chose to go with...
UA has given very conflicting statements on the penalty issue. Not long ago he said that would not be a determining factor in the decisions. It's generally not that hard for a carrier to negotiate away penalties in exchange for another order (Ie 321 in UA's case).
@@johniii8147 Its just earnest money, or you get to SELL the position in the order to someone else and more than likely make the earnest money back anyways unless it is specified in the contract one cannot do so... and apparently it was NOT specified UA could not sell their position in the cue and are more than happy to sell while keeping their options open with Airbus and holding a hammer over Boeing's toes.
@@w8stral That's not really how it works with aircraft
@@johniii8147 Yes, yes it is, if allowed in said contract. Details matter.
I hope United didn't cancel A350 order
I am sure they will.
@@melrose9252 They still have it though. For now
It would be nice to see the A350 and 777-300ER right next to each other in z united’s fleet, I hope they retire the old 772’s soon. I don’t like them.
A350 order will never be fulfilled United has ordered 100 Dreamliners
Originally their order was 30 A350-1000 then amended to 45 A350-900
United is probably talking with Airbus to give them leverage in discussions with Boeing
Tbh the A330-8/9 would be a good replacement for the 767. But range wise I'm not sure. But size wise the A330 NEO's would have been a better fit I'm surprised that Airbus didn't put that up for as an idea or get United to change some or all 350s to 330s.
It's turned out the 330-8 hasn't been a good replacement for the 767. Too much range, too heavy. None of the big 3 ( by far the biggest users of the 767) have chosen to go with the plane. Only DL has chosen the 900 and not enough to replace to 767 fleet. Big part of that was to win a RR service center agreement for their MRO division.
The wing is the thing,flex wing make easier to blend air stream.Blending reduces drag and lift the plane gradually resulting ín smooth ride.Fuel efficiency is the result of blending.Dreamliner and 777x has this capability.
777x is not as fuel efficent as 350. No composite material, old project, nothing new...
Fleet commonality is definitely a factor, because while United does fly a wide variety of narrowbody aircraft, it's always flown Boeing widebody.
Also, the 787 does offer more options by having 3 variants instead of two, and while the A350 does offer a longer range, this is not much of a deciding factor with US airlines because the 787 can complete most point to point routes from just about any United hub.
What you did not cover is why United ordered the A350 in the first place....
Very appreciate still love to fly
I also suspect that there's an element of "Holding the a350 order on the books" to keep Airbus on schedule to deliver the 321's that United has ordered. There's a huge pile up in A321 deliveries and United doesn't want to "slip" to the back of the line for those. If all it costs them is keeping the 350 order on the books, they're probably willing to pay that.
I'm sure it was all part of the negotiated deal for the 321/XLR on the 350s
Please demand more PAXs at the Hub
there already was a report 430nm improved range version of b787-10 and 310nm improved range version of b787-9 coming. So united will order more of these and kiss good bye to a350
Good!
What does it man for a constructor when there's an order they're expecting to be cancelled a long time in the future?
Don't they have to be prepared for the (remote?) possibility that's it's not going to be cancelled - there committing resources to a stillborn project?
Any chance the US leant on UA to decide in favour of an American manufacturer?
old video United decided to purchase the 787 please update your videos
I’ve flown long haul on both the B787 and the A350. I was totally underwhelmed by the 787. I’ve flown the on the A350, A330 and the A380 and will gladly fly on any of them again. Boeing made the mistake of resting on their laurels and presuming customer loyalty and they’re paying for it now. There was a time, not so long ago, when no American airline would have even considered a foreign aircraft for their fleet. It took a vote in Congress to veto a USAF proposal to offer Airbus the contract for a replacement in flight refueller. And, seemingly, Boeing still don’t think there’s a problem with their image.
Resting on their laurels for the 737, not in the case of the 787.
The 787 is totally kicking the living sales crap out of the a350, Pal.... Me thinks the 787 is better anyway.
The A350 is simply too big as a 767 replacement. I would not be surprised if United finally takes delievery of the A350 as a replacement for the Boeing 777-300. They might even modify the contract and choose the A350-1000 if demand continues to grow.
They are replacing the 767 with the 787.
I'm guessing that United is holding onto the A350 order as a fallback for the replacement of their 777-200s, if they can't get a good enough deal from Boeing on the 777x
They may change it around for more A321s instead. Can't say it wont happen but my opinion is just that.
Didn't United place an order for 100 Dreamliner's last year for 767/777 replacement?
didnt they order the a350 like 10 years ago but never got it
They should convert the orders to A321XLRs
One aviation channel after another keeps holding up the 787 and a 350 as competitors when it's two completely different classes of plane. United's option other than Airbus A350 is to wait for 777X. and Boeing 787 is a competitor to the Airbus A330 series.
How would cancelling the A350 order be "not cost effective at this time"? I'm sure United already paid a deposit when the order was placed. When they cancel, they'll forfeit some or all of the initial deposit, right? United doesn't have the money on hand now anyway, Airbus has held it for years since the order, so how would cancelling incur a current cost for United?
Or to look at it slightly differently: If they're never going to get that deposit money back, then what difference does it make whether they cancel now or later?
It does not matter what they buy, once the plane has United written on its side it's no longer fit for flying.
B787 or A350 both amazing aircraft but the new 777x is definitely a better plane for sure, I see the 777x taking off and landing almost every day at Seattle’s Boeing field for its test flights. Will fly longer than any plane carrying more passengers with its gigantic very advanced GE engines will destroy any competition!
better in what? fuel efficency?
787 FTW
GE engines are superior to Rolls Royce engines since hot end blades in GE engines have a longer in-service life than the RR blades.
That's why the A350 is so successful, I suppose.........
@@artrandy 787 deliveries to date - 1108
A350 deliveries to date - 458
@@John-nc4bl
That's because the B787 is an older design than the A350. Its simply been around a lot longer, and presumably will become antiquated sooner too, unless Boeing upgrade it for 50 years, like they did the B737 into the Max. And we know where that led Boeing, don't we?
In case you didn't know, RR supply engines for both aircraft buddy, whereas GE do not.........
@@artrandyThat's just an excuse. The 787 achieved 1000 orders in a much shorter time frame than A350 was able to, but to be fair the 787 is the fastest selling wide body in history of aviation so its in a league of its own.
@@aseem7w9
The A350 is a newer design, whether you like the idea or not.
Neither can you dismiss the fact that one aircraft has been manufactured longer than the other, as a good reason for a disparity of deliveries between them, its not just an "excuse", its a reality bud.
Its commonsense. Are you interested in your comments have a sense of reality, or are you only interested in a partisan approach?
Please don't try to gaslight me, because I don't think you have the ability to make me feel that Im living in a parallel universe.
Try to avoid propaganda bud, it makes you look like a fool.........
Unfortunate that the A350 doesn't have any variants. Oh well
The huge LACUNA in this report is that it does not tell us HOW MUCH United has paid Airbus for its 350 order. An airline, when it makes a firm order, puts a DOWN PAYMENT. If United cancels it's order, then it FORFEITS its down payment. DJ DOES NOT say anything about this at all!!!
I love both the A350 and 787 I don't think I could choose
I agree with you. I ve been on B787-9 but still awaiting A350.
they should order both
787 is cramp and less comfortable than A350. As passenger don't care about airline's margin, they will always prefer A350. 787 is good plane, but not as good as A350 for passenger in direct comparsion.
Blame the airlines on the cramped seats and 787 and a350 don’t compete
UA is a shrinking airline with poorly located hubs compared to their rival American and Delta. 787 is the only thing that makes sense.
Really, I would rather fly on an aircraft manufactured by well paid employees, not non-union personnel in South Carolina.
787 has been proven in the sky in the last 10 years.
CRJ-200LR United Airlines United Airline Express was still fav.
Good for demanding university stadium worth of Pax from the hub a trip then, 2023.
Tooling and certification wise, 787. I dont see A350 ever in united fleet.
Maybe United CEO doesn't feed the need to buy any 777-300-sized jet, given the US aviation firm has been disadvantaged in Cost per available seat kilometer and service quality(They are dragged by Labour Union) compared to Asian Airlines, so they might be right that they can't win in any SFO-Big Asian cities pairs when there is a strong Asian airlines presence there (I don't have their operating statistics), so no use for the big jet but smaller widebody which could serve smaller city pairs which Asian airlines haven't covered yet. In all, they might be planning for the whole 777-300 size jet fleet to extinct.
I don't think United will cancel the A350 order, but the Boeing 787 is being used primarily on long-haul sectors. The 777-300 also is an airplane that is fairing well on United's long-haul routes to probably Sydney, and Beijing. However, if they intend to expand on some routes, they should consider swapping the order for a mixture of A350-900s, and some A350-1000 airplanes for greater capacity. This would conclude their long-haul fleets planning, along with a lot of the undelivered 787s that are still to come into this fleet.
They likely will.
In 2018 I flew from Singapore to Rome nonstop as a Premium Economy passenger. The experience was totally underwhelming after being vaunted as exceptional. The return trip in an A380 was totally different. I wouldn't fly ever again in the A350..
The 787 and A350 are not really competitors. i would put the A330 against the 787-8 and -9..
He forgot to mention the incredible circumstances under which the 787 was developed and Boeing screwed the FAA in the process! Because of this, I promised myself never to fly that plane. As it stands, in order to comply with this, I will also no longer be able to fly UA 🙂
One factor might be, do I dare say the 777-8. If Boeing moves forward with the passenger version then it can be used to replace the 777-300ER and led to the cancelation of the A350. That would not be impossible to rule out since Boeing already committed to the 777-8 freighter. It would be the same airframe just the addition of windows.
The 8 is not designed to replace the 777-300ER. It's an ultra long haul, heavy aircraft relative to capacity. Just not much a market for it so put on hold. Was always pretty clear it was going to be more of cargo aircraft, much like the 777=200LR
Why replace the -300er now it’s barely 7 years old it has atleast 2 decades left in it
@@danielmeador1991 Certainly not on their replacement list at this point. No reason to yet.
@@johniii8147 basically what I said
@@danielmeador1991 I was agreeing with you. The 777-9/8 are simply not in UA near to medium term plans. Maybe in 10 years we might see an order for them. The 8 in particular ( if it's ever built in a passenger version) is too heavy and not needed for their network.
787 is far more fuel efficient than the A350 by at least 1.5 t an hour
Perhaps UA will order A50-1000 to start replacing the 777-300 from the end of this decade. Unless it opts for 777-9s ...?
To me, 787 is just a big 737. never considered it widebody. too tight to move around in economy.
Blame the airline on that the 787 is like 1 1/2 feet wider then the 767 which is the narrowest wide body out there
Airbus always used as negotiating leverage
They use each other as negotiating levage depending on carrier. You're always at a big disadvantage if the carrier uses primarily your competitor. But it happens sometimes they can win the deal.
Airbus should treat Boeing in the same manner as Qatar Airways. Let United run their 787 and 737 fleets into thevground. I flew with them years from Glasgow to the UvS. First and last time ever. They make BA acceptable.
Why can’t Boeing design the 737 MAX XLR?
Market is much to small airlines that want that kind of range typically get a wide body airliner
I think United should consider the 777X to replace 777-200
MUCH too large and designed for different missions. They have already chosen the 777-200/ER replacement with the huge 787 order.
@@johniii8147not with the 777-8 varient
A350-1000 ideal in many ways
I imagine that United has not cancelled the A350 slots in order to stay in good standing with Airbus to get A321 XLR's, I think once United gets the A321 XLR's, the A350 order may be scrapped as all of United's long haul fleet is Boeing based and pretty much always has been
A-350 would look great in United livery.
Doh..POLITICS…UNITED AND BOEING ARE HEADQUARTERED IN CHICAGO…JUST THAT SIMPLE
No issues for Delta they will place a big order for Airbus 350/330 at Paris this week.
Not comparable in my view. 350 is better compared to the T7. 787 is really unique in this spot.
Some say United is waiting to see if Rolls Royce develops the Ultra Fan engine for the A350 which would greatly increase its efficiency. Of course, some also say the Ultra Fan engine could also be used on the 787. I suspect that the 787 will also replace many of the 777-200's, both the original version and the ER.
The ultrafan is developed.
Fair to say 87 replaced 76 & 77 while 350 replaced coveted 777-3? 321 replaced 57 & 79/350x will split the 747 role?
The a350 and 787 NightmareLiner aren't actually competing with each other.
The a350 competes with the 777-300er and 777x, while the 787 NightmareLiner only competes with the 767 & smaller models of the a330.
Their 777-200/300ers will eventually need to be replaced, and I think the 1000 would be best.
They’ll probably order the 777x.
Long time on the 300ER's they have the youngest fleet on the 300ER's at just over 5 years. UA obviously feels otherwise since the 787 order and the options are more than enough to replace the entire widebody fleet.
economy in A350 is light years ahead of 787.
Cause they don’t compete
@@danielmeador1991 don't need to compete to see that A350 interior space and comfort in economy is superior
@@charlesn787 fanboy spotted I’ve been in the a350 and it sucks and that was business class can’t imagine economy 787 experience is identical give me the 747 a330 or a340 any day of the week for comfort
Airbus way better plane
united and american obviously will do the american aircraft
Fact is, they both own and operate Airbus.
Delta decided to take the best decision they ever could and went the airbus way and continues to do so
@@maxsaviation9512 not entirely as they have 100 737MAX on order
Ameican actually has the one of largest narrow body fleet of Airbus aircraft in the world and UA has an outstanding order for 120 321. All big 3 have a fleet mix of both.
*787 gets grounded*
United: "FU*K
Get the 787 the A350 is trash always weight restricted
I like that reply. Airbus :-(
Keep Boeing healthy - buy American!
I could not agree more with you. Airbus :-(
Personally i feel like the a330neo is a good 757 replacement for united
In what world is that true? You may as well say the 787 they already use is the 757 replacement as it is lighter than a330neo with lower fuel burn... Good grief, any dipshit can type on the internet.
LOL you must not know much about such things. Completely different aircraft classes. Perhaps you meant the 767. They have already made the choice with the 787
The Airbus a350 make a good replacement on United Airlines Boeing 777 20er routes that fly long distances where the Boeing 787 9 does not have the capacity to fly on and the Boeing 787 10 does not have the range.
That's being addressed with the 787-10ER will will easily have the same range and probably more than the 777-200ER. UA will take plenty of those.
@@johniii8147 Boeing currently doesn’t have much engineering capacity to spare. Not with the Max 7 and 10 and the 777X being so delayed.
@@Sedna063 The Max 7 and 10 all already engineered. Theses are paperwork and testing issues with those two.
First comment!!!
Do you think long haul flights should have a make up room for womans darlinks ?
Do you think banning makeup saving women all the hastle of wasting $$$/Time everyday would be a superior solution? I'll vote yes to this one
No
@@johniii8147 why ?
No contest here. The A350 wins hands down
Not really since they don’t compete
the sales figures says otherwise
Will never fly United!!
Good!
United Airlines should really be ashamed to be keeping their order as they NEVER intended to honour it, it was only kept upon the Merger as a bargaining tactic and ‘stick’ to hit Boeing with.
I’m NOT a fan of the Dreamliner or Boeing but they have won the order so there’s no reason for the Airbus Order not to be cancelled. Airbus could be utilising the positions for supplying actual orders from ‘Honest’ Airlines. It would have been nice if the A350 order had been followed up BUT it hasn’t - United’s loss 😮😢.
So should Afriqiyah Airways, Libya Airlines,and Yemenia Airways be ashamed as well ??
Their orders have been on the books much longer than Uniteds' ..
It's on Airbus' Side ..not Uniteds' !!
They can hold onto meaningless orders much longer than Boeing can because they don't have to abide by much stricter ASC 606 accounting standards .
Meaning ,orders can linger for years with absolutely no chance of ever being delivered !!
@@SRT-fv6wr You can throw in the Bogus Iran Air order as well..
Another order that should have been removed years ago..
C'mon Airbus . Boeing have long sinced removed theirs from the books !!
@@SRT-fv6wr Do either of those Airlines STILL actually exist or operate? Given the current situation within each I would doubt it. No it’s not AIB decision in the case of UA they keep putting the delivery date back time and again. It’s purely a financial issue - they don’t want to lose money because THEY cancel their order. That’s a huge disappointment considering the Airline.
@@isthatso5616 The IR SHOULD technically be cancelled as at the moment the Embargo on the IIR similar to Russia. Again ANY money would probably be dealt with as per the restrictions.
Why are you not a fan of the Dreamliner and Boeing?
Airbus is made by FROGS and I won't go if it's build by FROGS.....................................