This guy made everyone forget how to use the radio. ATC calls for a go around without saying go around, then tries to call up 638 after handing him off to approach. Then later, PD Helo, "can I get a heading" ATC: "Sure go get him boys" PD Helo "No really, can we get a heading?" Later. PD Helo "Whats his altitude?" ATC: "About 3000 ft" PD Helo: "Ok, and whats his altitude?" LOL
This happened in 2009, and a quick bit of research confirms that. The guy piloting the plane was John Prendergast, who was 69 at the time of the incident and a retired navy pilot. The plane is apparently a RV-7A that he built himself
Plot twist: pilot declared himself a sovereign citizen, just traveling and not subject to any licensure, laws or regulations. Just kidding, but with so many numbnuts in US these days, it's a matter of time
Great example of how air traffic control (ATC) and air intercept control (AIC) are two completely different disciplines. Being good at one does not make you good at the other.
I can see how someone unfamiliar with the area could get confused. Captree Bridge is a visual approach fix to Republic Airport. This is the point where the pilots contact Republic (FRG) tower. This bridge is near the west end of Fire Island, a long, narrow piece of land. Immediately to the west of it is another long and narrow island. Looking north from over the Captree Bridge, you can see the Republic airport just a few miles away. If you don't know the area it is easy to confuse the Captree Bridge with the Atlantic Beach Bridge 25 miles west of it. Both are near the west end of a long, narrow island; both have another long, narrow strip of land immediately to the west; and both have an airport just to the north. I think the pilot thought that he was starting an approach to Republic, was probably on the FRG tower frequency, and then was surprised when the airport in front of him did not match what he had on his approach chart.
Nice explanation! Thanks.. there was nothing wrong with the radio… the aircraft later landed in KFRG (escorted by PD15) and he did communicate with the twr there Part 2 of this video will be released today in our channel.. stay tuned!
Appreciate the plausible explanation of how he got off track, but man, circling over JFK without talking? Fairly serious ADM lapse. Foreflight be a screaming at me.
@@elizabethhostetter1946 Huh? Please explain. He is in controlled airspace and not talking to the controllers of that airspace. This is basic VFR training; know where you are and get approval to enter controlled airspace.
i guess he didn't see the gigantic and very obvious jfk airport below him, if you get lost over long island in VFR conditions you deserve to have your license pulled
This kind of crap is why we don't have Mosaic yet. This kind of crap is why the FAA has made it's life goal to make GA so expensive no one can do it anymore.
@@somethingsomething404 Which lines up pretty well with the FAA starting to really go after GA. That's not something that happened over night. We're just really seeing the effects work as intended now as the last windows are slammed closed. Our LSA laws have been behind Europe for decades. MOSAIC should have been out in 2005. Not 2025.
I could never have done this job and I worked for the Police for 15yrs. This would absolutely do my head in, so stressful (plus I would lose my temper 😂). Kudos to them all!!
@@Flight_Follower Depends what it is! This is non stop and a different experience from the occasional adrenaline charge, for me anyway. Also, I had better control of my temper when younger whereas now idiots just drive me insane 😂. No tolerance anymore. I think that all ATC deserve all of the credit they deserve.
@@Flight_Follower oh they would definitely have to love it, it really is a calling. And some people thrive on more continuous adrenaline. Shorter bursts were fine for me with the police but I’m also in Australia and we rarely had encounters with armed offenders, especially compared to US police who deserve every penny that they earn! They are amazing. I never saw a juvenile with a weapon here once, our culture is just so different and for the police it’s much safer. I’m not saying that it doesn’t happen but it’s rare so the adrenaline rush was not as frequent for us. I did however become involved in what would be the slowest police chase in history of a 95yr old man who had no idea for miles that we were behind him, 3 cars were trying to get him and even at the time it was quite funny (I’m in the country so not a metro area). He was finally caught in a supermarket car park and was shocked to be surrounded. He really was a menace, wandering all over the back roads. So that was exciting 🤣. Still gives me a laugh years later. Best wishes to you.
Feel for the EVA crew that was intertwined with this (near..) aerial fiasco 🙄! Think they did a fantastic responding to ATC guidance (considering JFK can be tough to deal with rapid fire instructions, especially when English isn't your primary language 😉) & best wishes to them..
I'm sorry, but I find it a bit difficult to take this seriously. And I feel like I should know better than that, too! **guilty snickering intensifies**
fun fact: just because you don't have a pilots license doesn't mean you can violate airspace meaning if you're an ultralight or paraglider or otherwise flying without a license, you're still required to stay out of controlled airspace.
Alright, so 69 is Way to Old to work, and at 38 living in your mom's basement is Way to Young to..Gasp ..Work for a Living OMG .. What a hard knock life you all have My deepest condolences. Boo Freaking Hoo
Using wife's phone today not her opinions Brilliant just really is so relative to this I can't believe other pilots haven't at least thumbs upped this comment
There's way too many rogue jerks flying now, it's the higher % of small planes and it's why small plane crashes are way up. Hello FAA? NTSB? are you there? doing anything??
With a full name, you can look up credentials on the federal airmen's registry. I doubt his license was revoked but certainly suspended. Likely need to do an exam flight with an FAA examiner along with a bunch of recurrent training before getting it back. There is a number (name) for this type of test but I forget it. The FAA won't make it easy that is for sure. The mistakes were so outrageous, he may get is medical pulled -- especially if he is an older gentleman. No comms, no transponder and no f'ing clue about the airspace he was in. If that happens, it'll cost him many thousands of dollars and years to get that back.
@@scottbeyer101 It's called a "709 ride" ... the name comes from the applicable section of Title 49 of the US Codes, section 44709. (Title 49 USC is what authorizes the Department of Transportation's scope and responsibilities). It always amuses me when people expand "709 ride" into FAR 91.709... a quick look at that shows that talks about "Operations to Cuba" 🙂
Oh, JEEZUS EFFIN' CHRIST, did you HAVE to add in that annoying text to fly in letter by letter with a fake keyboard strike sound on every one of them? WTF is wrong with people? SMFH.
TIME FOR AN AGE LIMIT. TWR can hear these old farts...Ive heard a TWR lady tell a guy no takeoff and go straighten himself out. FAA could give these controllers more discreton...'YOU SOUND TOO OLD OR STUPID TO FLY TODAY...' Weve all heard ATC of some pilots before the crash.
A comment lacking any objective or legitimate basis. I'm guessing you're one of those people in favor of the FAA-imposed arbitrary, outdated, and unsafe retirement age as well
@@sean5910 Wait until you hear an obvious example of 'Watch out...No one move.. Let this guy do what he's gonna do.. ' Same thing with english as a fifth language crowd.
ROFLMAO I just check the registration on Flightaware. someone added the Picture 315PD as the profile picture but if you click registration you see the pic of the n5025g and them both
This guy made everyone forget how to use the radio. ATC calls for a go around without saying go around, then tries to call up 638 after handing him off to approach. Then later, PD Helo, "can I get a heading" ATC: "Sure go get him boys" PD Helo "No really, can we get a heading?" Later. PD Helo "Whats his altitude?" ATC: "About 3000 ft" PD Helo: "Ok, and whats his altitude?" LOL
Lmao, some handle deviation from the norm better than others. At least they manage better than asking for a custom sandwich in Japan 😂
>Make it a 090 basically due east
>070 still work?
>Make it a 90
Controlling the airspace in NYC is not a job for the timid.
Hell, controlling the ground in NYC ain't no picnic.
"Possible pilot... Correction.... Certified right-down-your-throat pilot deviation. Write down the damn number NOW"
A helicopter catching up to a rv7 is impressive even with an rx7 engine
Thats what i thought
I dont know what PD has but the medivac Helicopters at my hospital are super fast. They run past our archer like were standing still
@@rogue8853it’s an AW119. They’re fast. Have a big PT6 and Italian speedy design.
Depends on where the RV had the throttle set.. My 7a was good for about 170kts down low.
A good friend of mine is a retired NYPD aviation pilot
FAA site shows the registration expired in 2019, just as a bonus.
According to the intro, this incident occurred 25 JUL 09. So it was likely valid at the time...
So 10 years after this happened................... I fail to see how a registration that expired ten years later is relevant?
@@LittleG1989-c2ii think the op thinks this happened in 2024
This happened in 2009, and a quick bit of research confirms that. The guy piloting the plane was John Prendergast, who was 69 at the time of the incident and a retired navy pilot. The plane is apparently a RV-7A that he built himself
The TCA to class B change occurred in 1993.
Plot twist: pilot declared himself a sovereign citizen, just traveling and not subject to any licensure, laws or regulations. Just kidding, but with so many numbnuts in US these days, it's a matter of time
Aircraft is deregistered, and I can't find any record of the incident online. WTH happened?
Great example of how air traffic control (ATC) and air intercept control (AIC) are two completely different disciplines. Being good at one does not make you good at the other.
Kind of the opposite profession really, when you think of it. The goal of ATC is to AVOID unwanted intercepts :)
The stress of JFK ATC. There is a controller names Joanna there she's is the coolest and most calm controller I have ever heard.
Hi Joanna's mom 😂
I can see how someone unfamiliar with the area could get confused. Captree Bridge is a visual approach fix to Republic Airport. This is the point where the pilots contact Republic (FRG) tower. This bridge is near the west end of Fire Island, a long, narrow piece of land. Immediately to the west of it is another long and narrow island. Looking north from over the Captree Bridge, you can see the Republic airport just a few miles away.
If you don't know the area it is easy to confuse the Captree Bridge with the Atlantic Beach Bridge 25 miles west of it. Both are near the west end of a long, narrow island; both have another long, narrow strip of land immediately to the west; and both have an airport just to the north. I think the pilot thought that he was starting an approach to Republic, was probably on the FRG tower frequency, and then was surprised when the airport in front of him did not match what he had on his approach chart.
Nice explanation!
Thanks.. there was nothing wrong with the radio… the aircraft later landed in KFRG (escorted by PD15) and he did communicate with the twr there
Part 2 of this video will be released today in our channel.. stay tuned!
Appreciate the plausible explanation of how he got off track, but man, circling over JFK without talking? Fairly serious ADM lapse. Foreflight be a screaming at me.
@@scottbeyer101 he may have thought he WAS in contact.
@@elizabethhostetter1946 Huh? Please explain. He is in controlled airspace and not talking to the controllers of that airspace. This is basic VFR training; know where you are and get approval to enter controlled airspace.
i guess he didn't see the gigantic and very obvious jfk airport below him, if you get lost over long island in VFR conditions you deserve to have your license pulled
Looking at the FAA records, this airframe has had a number of "incidents."
And what makes it worse spotting him was all that GA farmingdale traffic. Great job tracking him NYPD!
This kind of crap is why we don't have Mosaic yet. This kind of crap is why the FAA has made it's life goal to make GA so expensive no one can do it anymore.
I can get a graduate degree cheaper and faster
This was like 20 years ago. 2009. 0:09 shows the date.
@@somethingsomething404 Which lines up pretty well with the FAA starting to really go after GA. That's not something that happened over night. We're just really seeing the effects work as intended now as the last windows are slammed closed.
Our LSA laws have been behind Europe for decades. MOSAIC should have been out in 2005. Not 2025.
I could never have done this job and I worked for the Police for 15yrs. This would absolutely do my head in, so stressful (plus I would lose my temper 😂). Kudos to them all!!
Adrenaline can push you to perform feats you never thought possible...right?
@@Flight_Follower Depends what it is! This is non stop and a different experience from the occasional adrenaline charge, for me anyway. Also, I had better control of my temper when younger whereas now idiots just drive me insane 😂. No tolerance anymore. I think that all ATC deserve all of the credit they deserve.
I have never met an ATCO who hates their job.. i think it says something.. and yeah idiots are everywhere nowadays.. upto you how you deal with them 🙃
@@Flight_Follower oh they would definitely have to love it, it really is a calling. And some people thrive on more continuous adrenaline. Shorter bursts were fine for me with the police but I’m also in Australia and we rarely had encounters with armed offenders, especially compared to US police who deserve every penny that they earn! They are amazing. I never saw a juvenile with a weapon here once, our culture is just so different and for the police it’s much safer. I’m not saying that it doesn’t happen but it’s rare so the adrenaline rush was not as frequent for us. I did however become involved in what would be the slowest police chase in history of a 95yr old man who had no idea for miles that we were behind him, 3 cars were trying to get him and even at the time it was quite funny (I’m in the country so not a metro area). He was finally caught in a supermarket car park and was shocked to be surrounded. He really was a menace, wandering all over the back roads. So that was exciting 🤣. Still gives me a laugh years later. Best wishes to you.
Hey you guys can make a movie about it!
😂
Take Grandpa's keys.
Aren't you so glad we don't have flying cars...
On the lightest side of it where is the Navy or Air Force plane giving vectors telling the NYPD helicopter weapons free clear to arm LOL
The ATC guy doesn’t seem to understand anything the NYPD pilot says first time. It’s strange
Feel for the EVA crew that was intertwined with this (near..) aerial fiasco 🙄! Think they did a fantastic responding to ATC guidance (considering JFK can be tough to deal with rapid fire instructions, especially when English isn't your primary language 😉) & best wishes to them..
Wait....the JFK airport orientation looks 90 degrees off.
That tower controller in the middle of the video was missing lots of questions and calls.
The FAA stopped using "TCA" Terminal Control Area about 20+ years ago ?
This did happen in 2009, so likely some old feller. Also, Kenedy Steve should have been a clue this is an old recording.
Kind of like ARSAs (and there are a few ARSAs still around, one down by Macon GA. Weird.)
@@TGraysChannels I've been controlling 15 years and never heard of an ARSA. We have TRSAs now, including the one at Warner Robins.
I'm sorry, but I find it a bit difficult to take this seriously.
And I feel like I should know better than that, too!
**guilty snickering intensifies**
I sounded to me like he was evading. He changed elevations and directions a lot.
That orange airport symbol is completely wrong.....
Agreed. The diagram has been rotated 90 CCW in error. At 3:35, they showed EVA638 on approach to Rwy 31L.
Be sure to read the full description for the ending to this fiasco.
That would be something to have the POLICE asking you to basically pull over at 2400 with their helicopter they just caught up to you in...
"Do you know why we stopped you?
Why don’t you step out and stand in front of my helicopter
The tower controller sounds like Kennedy Steve
I know right! I wonder if it was really him
Possible.
It did happen in *2009*
Back in the day before ADS-B
N5025G possible pilot deviation I have a number for you to call to copy...
fun fact: just because you don't have a pilots license doesn't mean you can violate airspace
meaning
if you're an ultralight or paraglider or otherwise flying without a license, you're still required to stay out of controlled airspace.
69 isn't even old.
It is kind of nasty though.
A missile was in order
Alright, so 69 is Way to Old to work, and at 38 living in your mom's basement is Way to Young to..Gasp ..Work for a Living OMG .. What a hard knock life you all have My deepest condolences. Boo Freaking Hoo
Is no one gonna mention how the airport isn't oriented correctly? It should be a quarter turn clockwise
Why such old shit???
So, is this really a viral ad for Van's Aircraft right before Airventure?
Possibly for pilot tower communications course by King Schools
Will this be a "twist: Harrison Ford was the pilot" ??
Using wife's phone today not her opinions Brilliant just really is so relative to this I can't believe other pilots haven't at least thumbs upped this comment
Her görüntüye yorumolmaz 1:21
There's way too many rogue jerks flying now, it's the higher % of small planes and it's why small plane crashes are way up. Hello FAA? NTSB? are you there? doing anything??
This incident is from 2009.
RFK jr.
Your diagram of the airport should be rotated 90 degrees clockwise and should be about twice the size.
You would thing the nypd will have the latest avionics. This is crazy.
This incident is from 2009 which would explain why
This happened years ago the NYPD has up to date avionics
Anyone know where they pulled this idiots license
He was a retired navy pilot flying his home built aircraft
With a full name, you can look up credentials on the federal airmen's registry. I doubt his license was revoked but certainly suspended. Likely need to do an exam flight with an FAA examiner along with a bunch of recurrent training before getting it back. There is a number (name) for this type of test but I forget it. The FAA won't make it easy that is for sure.
The mistakes were so outrageous, he may get is medical pulled -- especially if he is an older gentleman. No comms, no transponder and no f'ing clue about the airspace he was in. If that happens, it'll cost him many thousands of dollars and years to get that back.
How do we know who the pilot was? The owner’s name is behind a Delaware company
@@scottbeyer101 It's called a "709 ride" ... the name comes from the applicable section of Title 49 of the US Codes, section 44709. (Title 49 USC is what authorizes the Department of Transportation's scope and responsibilities). It always amuses me when people expand "709 ride" into FAR 91.709... a quick look at that shows that talks about "Operations to Cuba" 🙂
@@cvkline Hey thanks stranger. You are correct!
Fake keyboard sounds, 😅
Idiotic
Is that all you had to complain about? How sad you are 🤣!
Oh, JEEZUS EFFIN' CHRIST, did you HAVE to add in that annoying text to fly in letter by letter with a fake keyboard strike sound on every one of them? WTF is wrong with people? SMFH.
Yeah we fixed that in our subsequent videos
Sorry you had to go through that annoying bit
Stop driving cars and flying planes after 65 surely
What a stupid blanket statement. I’ll put my driving and flying skills against you any day.
When are we going to do something about the boomer problem facing this country?
This whole thing was very unprofessional IMHO. And after all the drama, what the hell happened to the pilot ??? Finish the damn story !!!!
boomers
How come the unknown pilot and craft is referred to as “him” or “he”, that sex identifier sounds like they know who it is?
Lets be honest, a lady would have stopped at JFK and asked for directions :)
No they said unknown multiple times, im sure they said "he" without any deeper meaning.
Because they're not woke and need to work quickly
it was 20 years ago... 09 wutever... back before people got all bent over stupid crap.... ;)
LOVE JOY COMPASSION
NYPD doesn't have any jurisdiction in the airspace.
they can be assigned in case of illegal activity. Duhh !
@@JavierBrent Nope, they are still don't have any jurisdiction there. They are not part of NORAD.
@@001looker So you think the illegal pilot should just ignore them ?
@@JavierBrent absolutely, i would have told NYPD to eat it.
@@001looker I challenge you to do that for real.. chump..
TIME FOR AN AGE LIMIT. TWR can hear these old farts...Ive heard a TWR lady tell a guy no takeoff and go straighten himself out. FAA could give these controllers more discreton...'YOU SOUND TOO OLD OR STUPID TO FLY TODAY...' Weve all heard ATC of some pilots before the crash.
A comment lacking any objective or legitimate basis. I'm guessing you're one of those people in favor of the FAA-imposed arbitrary, outdated, and unsafe retirement age as well
@@sean5910 Are you one of those old farts I hear every now and again...Takes too long to ask for and read back a clearance?
@@ScortchedYFronts Love kids who are so green but think they are experienced. Talk about macho energy 🤡
@@sean5910 Wait until you hear an obvious example of 'Watch out...No one move.. Let this guy do what he's gonna do.. ' Same thing with english as a fifth language crowd.
And no-one under 25.
ROFLMAO I just check the registration on Flightaware. someone added the Picture 315PD as the profile picture but if you click registration you see the pic of the n5025g and them both
N5025G. AIRCRAFT Van's RV-7A. This aircraft was involved in an engine stoppage in 2012 with "substantial damage."
And this incident took place in 2009