I love the acknowledgement of the current automotive economics - most people are putting themselves way too far in debt for their automotive want, rather than their automotive need. That's the sort of truth you get here that you won't get on many other review sites. It makes clicking here worth your time.
@@spencertahan9814 To be fair your Gladiator will impress teenage boys and make you feel like the man until 5 years later when you're still making payments and the novelty has worn off
I feel the smartest people during this pandemic are buying used CR-Vs and RAV-4s. Reliable, affordable and still known to have many many miles left in them.
Not only way to far in debt with their payment but don't forget the d word. DEPRECIATION! Buy the vehicle and hold it based on need. My last 2 auto purchases were a 97 Pontiac Grand Prix SE (Baes Model) and a 2002 Acura RSX also the base Model. They get me where I need to go safely. I have the money I did not spend on more and more cars because I thought I wanted something. Be smart!
I bought an SX over Thanksgiving - this review helped cement my decision, even though I know I was paying too much for the high end model. Real shitty dealer experience, but I love the vehicle. I ponied up for the SX so I could get the full suite of adaptive cruise and highway driving assist, and let me tell you, it is absolutely outstanding. I think adaptive cruise is one of the must-have gizmos on modern cars and it's so nice to have on long trips. I am getting above-advertised mpg on the highway (up to 34 vs. 30 EPA). I am a big fat man and I fit just fine behind the wheel and the vehicle is just about the perfect size in terms of cargo capacity and ease of parking (I street park in Queens, NY). This review is extremely spot on about the Dual Clutch and other little bugaboos about the car, which is why I love this channel so much. If you're interested in this car, take this review to heart. I would recommend it as someone who hasn't owned a car in 20+ years and who is used to renting high-end vehicles for my road trips. There isn't a whole lot of compromise here given the dimensions and price tag.
I feel like the Korean brands are going to take over soon. For the price they make some excellent vehicles. There really inst anything competing in these price ranges anymore except bare-bones mainstream brands that are super unappealing. The excellent warranties and low prices and rising quality make these brands a really good option.
@Stereo Typist you hit the nail on the head the dealer network needs a lot of help they are assholes to put it blunt and the reason for that is because they are selling a ton vehicle they are so busy to a certain level that it’s gone to thier head!! But it will catch up with them if they don’t change their business practice soon!!
I agree. I’m in Michigan, and I see so many Kias nowadays. Affordable, reliable and good warranties. Styling is hit or miss for me on most models but whatevs.
Thanks for still reviewing these less expensive vehicles. I bought a 2017 Yaris iA a few years back partly because of your review. (its not fancy but it had the features I wanted and still drove well for an economy car. Plenty of space for two adults and I even stuffed a 6ft Christmas tree inside it with the seats down and the trunk between the front seats) Its cool to see high end BMW's and stuff but many of us who aren't ok with debt up to our eyeballs or lighting cash on fire aren't ever going to buy/lease one. Keep the performance cars coming though, just keep the affordable stuff coming too :)
Agree on the dealership experience. Bought a Hyundai back in 2013, felt like I was walking into a cheap used car dealer. Their cars got better but the sales tactics of the dealerships are still back to the days when both companies had bad products that only people with bad credit would buy or those who couldn't afford anything else.
leased a Kia towards end of summer. They are ruthless. I lease every 3 years from 1996 till now. 1 Kia and they had went to talk to sales manager like 50 times. more than all my other negotiations put together haha.
I bought a Hyundai a couple of months ago and had no issues at all. I contacted them and set up a test drive of two different models. I ended up buying a Kona that same day. I think it helped that the dealership I went to is family-owned and has been in business for years, even before they started selling Hyundais back in the 80s. They originally sold Oldsmobiles, and they've also been selling Mazda's since the early 70s.
We had a very pleasant experience with our local Hyundai dealer eight years ago. Auto dealerships are all locally owned, and usually by people who own multiple selling a bunch of different brands. There is no sensible reason you'll be treated worse by a Kia dealer than by the Honda dealer owned by the same people.
Mark thank you for explaining how Hyundai and Kia can sell their vehicles cheaper than the competition. Honestly had no clue about the robotics portion of Hyundai.
My Hyundai dealership experience was horrible. I owned a Tiburon GTV6. Took to dealer for 2nd replacement of power window regulator. Service manager calls me and says that on the courtesy test drive the tech noted my clutch was failing and wanted $1300 to replace. I drove the car there, clutch was fine, car had 50k miles. I declined and picked car up. Under acceleration car was now bucking and stalling. I know a bad clutch and this wasn’t that. Took to my Indy mechanic and quickly he noted my air intake hose had been sliced with a razor carefully on bottom side to not be visible. Under load car was pulling air from engine compartment instead of air cleaner bypassing mass air sensor. A piece of duct tape fixed it until I could install a new intake hose. The clutch lasted another 40k miles and cost $700 to replace. This is only one of my service experiences with them. Big warranties but getting warranty work done was impossible and they weee always looking to up sell non warranty “repairs”. The car went 13 years with us but Hyundai never worked on it again.
@@Mark-eu6mc Low to mid 20’s in mixed driving. You could get over 30 on an interstate road trip. Curious why you ask. Mileage on a 17 year old fwd coupe seems less than relevant today...
Thank you for again focusing on affordable cars. This sounds like an ideal suv but would probably wait for the Tuscon for a similar price. I really like your channel overall the best. You have a lot of technical knowledge and that helps. And you're honest which is a breath of fresh air.
This is a car channel on another level. I think this is far The best car channel on RUclips and I have seen the majority of them. Thank you for the content you make! Really enjoy your videos!
Thank you for talking about car debt! It is massive issue making people feel bad for owning old/cheap cars. In USA it is sometimes hard to admit when one is poor
You hit the nail on the head with the crappy dealership experience. I shopped one Hyundai dealership and it was pretty much sleazy, didn't give a darn salespeople. Next time, when I bought, the other Hyundai dealership was THE WORST I have ever experienced in 30 years of buying cars. And I'm the one who everyone goes to for help buying a new car. AWFUL! But the car itself is fine. An Ioniq EV. But yes, independent rear suspension would have been nice. The EV model doesn't have it and it's noticeable. Unless Hyundai (and Kia) clean up their act, when it comes time to turn this lease in, I will drop it off and take an Uber to another manufacturer's dealership.
Outstanding review of the Seltos by Mark. There was just enough, yet comprehensive, information to help you if thinking of getting a new CUV/SUV vehicle.
Your points on the dealership experience, it’s sad to hear, but an actual issue. I work with a dealership that has 3 other Kia dealerships in our metro all run horribly. We outsell the 3 other dealerships combined, and while it’s great for me, it hurts my brand image. The quality of our cars are top of the line for respective segments and price points, I wish we could just weed out poorly run dealerships
I'm just going to put this out there. Midwest Kia in Wichita Kansas. It's one of those car lots with a fence around the whole thing forcing you to walk though the sales floor. Well, I looked at a Kia Sorento once there and decided it wasn't for me and left. Should've ended there, but they got my number from my financial paperwork (I refused to give my number to the salesmen or to be put in their DSM.) and would start to call me 3 or more times a day from different numbers. I even got calls at 1am from the different salesman while at the club. Most outrageous shit I've even experienced with a dealership. They only stopped when I went off on their sales manager saying a bunch of less than flattering things. It lasted for 4 months, every fucking day from 10 different numbers so I couldn't block them. I would never buy a new Kia now because of that, and if I did buy a new Kia I'd drive to a different city to get fucked by their dealership.
I own a SX and your review Nailed it! Totally agree with everything you stated especially about the dual clutch. Hey Consumer Reports, this is how you review a car!
I’d argue every vehicle they have made with a a dual clutch is a bad car. And unfortunately that is half of the cars they have made in the last 3 years...
@@emotionz3 Nah, the DCT has typically only been offered on higher end trim levels with the turbo engines, while the mainstream models are still mostly naturally aspirated.
@@markmiller3279 Korean cars are all about the value - as you go up in trim levels it's a much harder sell (for me, anyway). I think the mainstream models are the way to go with the naturally aspirated motors and torque-converter automatics/manuals where applicable.
I got mine a week ago in neptune blue. Awd lx basic non turbo and its AMAZING! I have mile long driveway thats gravel and hills and its takes it head on no problems. Its my daily replacement for ford fusion that use to slide out and lose traction or scrape on my driveway. This no problems what so ever. Amazing car seriously.
Oh my gosh you’re so right about the dealership experience. I wanted to buy a Stinger. I saw a specific one online and went to the dealership to check it out. When I pulled up and asked if they had it, the salesman said, oh sorry we sold it today. I was like oh well, and I was getting back in my car and he was like haha just kidding. What the hell? How is that funny. Then he started to explain to me how the Stinger is really special rare. No-one walks into a Kia a dealer asking for a Stinger who doesn’t know that. Needless to say I didn’t buy it.
Being disrespectful or straight up rude to a customer (buyer) is, in my opinion, the Kiss of Death. You ABSOLUTELY did the right thing by walking away from this poorly-trained salesperson. He’s leaving a LOT of money on the table by being rude to any buyer, under any circumstances. Not smart.
I actually like the exterior styling. As crowded and competitive as this segment is, it helps this car stand out amongst the bevy of other compact suv/crossover offerings.
Finally someone came out and said it. I taught it was only me. I was given the run around when I tried to test a Seltos. It took me 45 minutes of fighting with them before I could get the keys..insane. Also , the warranty is bullshit...Even if its under warranty Kia canada does not reimburse the dealership unless a piece is physically taken out and replaced with a new one. I went to two dealerships to service my 2017 kia SOUL with 40000km on the odometer. Both places tried to charge me for a slow closing sun roof and a rear seat rattle. Dont bother calling headquarters either . They wont help you. They say they have no control over what dealerships do...? So basically, your car has an issue, you think you are covered by the warranty so you bring it in. Oups its not covered and we have to charge you for the time it took to see that. Not only does it come out of your pocket, but you will pay double the hourly rate. Thats the definition of a STEELERSHIP. Sure the cars are getting better but because the service has frustrated me so much, I have decided to just get rid of my car and go back to japanese. Fu&*( you KIA
Thank you for saying this! So many people get caught up in the 10 year, 100,000 mile “warranty” but find out later that it’s all marketing. Good luck finding a dealership that will fix your problem for you!
@@moloono1 they also fail to mention that that warranty is voided if the vehicle changes hands in any way. I worked at a Hyundai dealership and a customer's warranty was voided when he re-registered his car and added his wife to the registration. I'll never own a Hyundai/Kia after seeing the shady way they treat customers with warranty claims and half-assed recalls.
My wife and I just bought one. When we went to test drive one and then got the whole "dealeship experience. They lowballed us (of course) on our trade in, and told us about the "dealership fee" (something like $1,500) and tried to make it seem like they were being honest by telling us about it, and not like it's just a way for them to make it seem like they were cutting you a deal during negotiations. We left and instead went through an auto broker. Got a fair deal for our trade in, and purchase price, and never had to deal with "dealership pressure". Broker fee was 1% of the purchase price so a few hundred dollars. Money well spent for the hastle free experience imo.
Problem with KIA nowadays are not the cars. The dealership is a real problem: here in Europe KIA is very bad at supporting the shops / the warranty repairs. Its a shame. Good Car, BAD dealership experience for both sides: For the shop who is trying to sell this, and for the customer who is buying it. That at some point will snap back to H / K...
This is a real problem with a lot of car brands, especially foreign ones. The European and American car brands all have substantially better dealership experiences than the Korean and Japanese here in the states. I’ve bought cars and joined others buying cars for the last few decades here in Chicago and when I lived in California, so while anecdotal experience, it’s reflected by millions of other people who say the same thing: Kia/Hyundai treat you like shit and fight you on warranty work, Toyota rushes you through selling a car because if you don’t buy one, someone else will, and they will push you into something you don’t want or can’t afford, Honda and Mazda get very snippy about the bottom line and rarely negotiate, often relying on creative accounting, pushing extended warranties (which in the case of modern Honda you may actually need) and hiding BS fees because of the cutthroat margins, and Nissan...yikes.
Its even worse here in US, both Hyundai and Kia dealers are famous for ripping off ppl, u have to drive 4hrs to find a decent dealership, even that is not guaranteed to be a positive experience. Its basically impossible to find a new car deal without getting jipped in some way
You are great! Thank you for talking about the dealership experience at Kia. I don’t know what’s wrong, but my parents have had endless issues with the dealer, even though they love the car. Very nice, honest review! I will pass this on.
Covid has helped car buying consumers most of all. It really has changed the dealer experience for the better (for consumers) . I've had several friends who have had to buy cars recently and all have really enjoyed the new rules. To give a few examples. They liked how they started online and were able to get the inventory item and payment locked in outside of a hard sell environment, and once there they had limits on people inside so they were taken to the car and paperwork and got in and went without hassle.
I was just thinking, if you were someone who bought a car during the first couple months of chaos, boy did you get a deal. 0% interest with no payments for 24 months? Hahaha.
16:57 This was not ever close to a problem for me when I got my Mazda CX5 (based in no small part of your recommendation, by the way -- Thank you). The dealership experience was soooo smooth and low-stress, it was the best car shopping experience of my life!
Thank you for the complete review. I thought Kia/Hyundais were cheap because of cost cutting, but it's just economies of scale and sourcing local in Korea. Very enlightening! Also, thank you for mentioning the Kia dealership experience. Three years ago, I was suddenly without a car, and had to get something quick. I was between 2018 Kia Forte5 and 2018 Mazda3 Hatch. Kia was open earlier so I went there first. The sales rep talked up and down about being a "straight shooter" during the test drives, but when we got back to the office to talk price/financing, there was some $3000+ (Canadian pesos) in extra price over the MSRP - before freight and PDI charges. I was like what is this?! The sales manager came over, I showed him the price on Kia.ca for the spec we were talking about and he says a bunch of shitty excuses and "dealer markup" and I was like what? I politely said that won't do; MSRP or I walk - they held. I thanked them for their time and headed over to Mazda, where they had the 3 for MSRP, and it was cheaper and felt better built than the Kia, so I went straight to the conversation of "can I pick it up tomorrow; Sunday". After putting the deposit on the Mazda, Kia phones and is like "we really want to earn your business!" I let him BS for a bit, then said I'm buying a Mazda. He was like "Why?" I said "price, better product." And that was that. I did not buy a Kia cause the dealers are trying to screw their potential customers. Also, shout out to Signature Mazda in Richmond, BC - those guys were great. Every step of ownership, they were professional and friendly. On delivery, they threw in some extras - beats headphones and wireless speaker pod, and I got to drive it out of the showroom's front doors. It was a great dealership experience.
My wife and I have a 19 kia Niro touring (same platform I believe) and you could say that two years in we're still loving it. This car has the dual clutch and I like it . I've read before that the electric motor smooths things out so I'm not sure how good it is in the Seltos. I just noticed that there's a new Seltos on my street and I've been kind of admiring it . I think that where I live in Winnipeg Manitoba that Hyundai / Kia seem unstoppable, just by the amount that I'm seeing. By the way Mr. Goose I did a lot of internet research before buying the Niro and your review was part of that hunt. Keep up the good work your videos have a certain flair and are fun to watch and dig deep , no bull shit.
You are one thousand percent correct on the Kia dealer experience. In the SF bay area, I tried to purchase a new Soul, and was interested in the Seltos as well. The dealers start negotiating from a $3k mark up. They treat me like a dumb ass, and use every sleazy trick out there. I hear this about service as well. Those wonderful warranties that Kia/Hyundai offer look good on paper, but get tricky when something comes up. This is too bad, as they have some appealing products. Cross shopping Ford(which I know you do not like) was the total opposite. No games, great deals. I haven't yet purchased, but after buying over 25 new cars, I was not impressed with Kia dealers.
Thank you for your honest review!! I just bought the SX a few days ago and this video review is spot on and as honest as it can be. Not one difference in opinion from me. I am so far happy with my purchase, and agree the DCT is a bit wonky but can definitely live.
Our experience with our local Hyundai dealer was positive both times we bought vehicles from them. We filled out an online form on the make, model and color we wanted as well as our price range and the dealer had that exact vehicle waiting for us the next morning for a test drive. We even got an after hours call from a real person letting us know the vehicle would be ready for us.
I recently drove this CUV. Coming from a 2014 daily driver Suzuki Swift, this Kia Seltos blew my mind almost instantly. The subtle luxury features, the responsive infotainment system, the powerful truck-like ride height (i never drove a CUV/SUV before) and BEST of all: the 6-Speed Auto Transmission (which can be put in manual shifting mode) was so engaging to drive - the transmission alone is enough to discourage me from a CH-R, Juke or HR-V, regardless of the Japanese being more reliable. Amazing job, Kia. P.S: The only 2 niggles i had were: The cheap plastic parts (at that price point, what do you expect) and the steering feel which was a bit numb imo.
I got the Seltos SX trim in November in the Neptune Blue color with the Moon roof. I absolutely love the car honestly. Ride quality is great, especially after some time to break things in, the Bose system is great, the technology is great, and I average above the EPA estimate for fuel economy in my mixed city / highway driving and here in Cincinnati, it usually only costs me about $23 to fill up from empty filling up with the recommended mid grade gas.
"Snot Rocket Green" -- great band name! Jack conspicuously absent -- "It's not a BMW?,....it's not a Porsche?,.....it's not a Hellcat?,..........I'M OUT!!"
Thank you for your no bull crap, down to earth, everyday Joe kind of reviews. I love cars, I love watching car reviews but a few of the..... younger reviewers are just too whiny about trivial things so I no longer watch them. Savagegeese, Throttle House, Alex on Autos, and the guys at the TFL channels are my go to for reviews. Thanks for what you do.
Disappointed to find out the Goose is not “rolling in it”. You should be. As an early adopter in the dsg world (vw) I can say the delay from a start can lead to some terrifying situations. Either late getting started or anticipating a delay and jumping out into traffic. Scary. Must say I’ve experienced the dealer effect with Kia before. Won’t buy one until they treat customers like people. Great video as always.
current generation DSG transmission from VW do not have a delay anymore. VW has refined the experience but it is only available in their performance vehicles in the USA now.
I completely agree with your points around avoiding Kia/Hyundai products with FWD + turbocharged engines. I had a 2017 Hyundai Sonata 2.0t and every time I floored it from a stop, I just got unbelievable wheel hop to the point where I was convinced I was going to end up with an engine in my lap due to the stress on the engine mounts. I’ve since moved on to a 2020 Kia Stinger AWD which has obviously been a night/day difference.
Was looking at some kia/hyundai for sure, though from Savage and others video's, wife is quite excited to be getting a Mazda cx-5 in the next few months. A bit pricier than I want, but I do like the attempts of being a little upscale.
-"Designed for a global market" -Rear turn signals aren't amber I wish the U.S. would do something about their regulations on turn signals and lighting, the brake lights doubling as turn signals is terrible for safety, and i've been seeing more and more pos chevys with their reverse lights on while parked.
My Cadenza has amber stop lights here in the states, but they just updated the law that they have to be red here in Maryland. Got a lot of compliments specifically for them. Safety wise I thought they awesome.
I don't think that is going to happen any time soon. Car enthusiasts don't typically like amber turn signals. I even modified my STI's turn signals slots to be white reverse lights and my brake lights are now turn signals. Diode Dynamics sell the Tail to Turn kits for this.
@@jonathanb1987 I think implementation and design is key. You can have some really nice amber turn signals (especially LED ones) that don't appear amber when they're not on (many appearing clear). The American/Canadian market also seems to have size restrictions, so although the European style may already be brighter and safer, some outdated regulation may restrict it from passing requirements.
The US version is stunted big time in terms of options and features. Will list out what’s missing compared to Canadian and Asian market versions. 1. Cooled and Ventilated seats for the driver and passenger. 2. Heated rear passengers seats 3. Head up display 4. Parking proximity sensors front and rear 5. Electric tail gate open and close 6. Flat bottom steering in top end versions. Kia simply chose to ignore US customers. Surprised these aren’t called out in the review.
Honestly I was looking for a RAV4 and I saw this at a kia dealership in the test drove it and I fell in love with the car I will be buying one. The base model with all-wheel drive for me was only $22,000.
@@chuckwalla2967 If you disclose, early-on (which you shouldn't) that you're thinking about trading-in your current car, the salesman will take your key to "have the car inspected" while discussing a new car. But when you decide you are ready to walk, they keep coming up with excuses to avoid returning your own car's key. It happened once to me, it went on for nearly 30 minutes while the salesman kept coming back with no key, but more unacceptable offers - the conflict almost became physical, and I learned never to hand my key to one of those bozos again.
Great review as always, but why would anyone buy this when CRVs and RAV4s can be had for similar money? The dealership experience and resale value alone should scare you away.
I was going to get the Seltos, however... I test drove the Kia K5 GT-Line AWD and fell in love with it. The K5 feels more refined, and it handles very nicely.
I drive a Ford today all because of the "tactics" used by my local Hyundai dealer. I told them the only way they could lose my business was if they started "playing games". They did. So, I walked. (The Ford has been OK.)
All the moving of the visor - I was waiting fir the visor check. Fantastic review, I’ve got a 2012 Hyundai sedan and was interested to hear the comments on Hyundai steel, robotics and adhesives. Makes me feel good about wanting to continue with them.
Even i live in snow belt i choose the base Lx 2wd 2liters , this car drive like a luxurious go kart , zippy steering , surprising acceleration , every part fits tight no loose . Like your review : outstanding. Agree i had a crappy dealership, report to Kia Canada ...zero feedback.
Test drove this when wife was looking for small SUV. The gloss plastic was already covered in finger prints and the thing is super noisy when accelerating or merging. Transmission was clunky. Mazda and VW so much better. And similar price. And like stated the dealer was horrible.
Another great review. KIA dealerships are riding high right now with Tellurides selling at above MSRP even with a few thousand miles on them. If I find a good KIA dealership that doesn't try to pull fast ones on me, KIA would have made so much more money on me and my family would all be driving KIAs right now. I feel like Hyundai dealerships have actually made better strides, since some of them now have to service Genesis buyers, and those buyers won't blink twice if anyone tries to pull what some of these KIA dealerships tried on me.
Yeah, I'm still waiting on a return of Cash 4 Clunkers or tax-free auto purchases or other irresistibly high incentives before making my purchase. I've been waiting too long, and now having sold all my "tangible automotive stock" (ie. my old pickup) at stupid high prices, I'm getting desperate for desperate times to return.
well Unemployment has skyrocketed worldwide with most places going to about 10% unemployment (average - not based on actual data) and every 1% unemployment increase leads to 38,500 deaths and so that's 385000 deaths from unemployment add to the number of suicides caused by people getting into too much debt that they could never be able to repay which is (Couldn't get any figures so I'd assume its about at least 15% of total suicides) and that's a huge figure of people killing themselves this year and that's *not* including the people who will in the future become unemployed when companies like GM, Ford, FCA-PSA, BMW, Daimler AG (or at least the Mercedes-Benz Brand dies out), Renault-Nissan-Mitsubishi Alliance, Toyota (not including the sowing machine business) is forced to close after raking in too much debt and seeing market share decline faster than the economy of the USSR or the PRC due to new competition from the likes of Tesla Inc. and Lucid Motors Inc. and that'll be huge. And so in the long term its more likely to be another 1929 stock market crash but with vehicle manufactures crashing their market share instead of stocks and bonds and then theres the petrodollar dying leading to huge numbers of suicides in the oil dependent middle east leading to massive unemployment figures in the long term
Green exterior?!?!?! Maybe its colour grading but thats 100% yellow. Like not even a little bit green. Like not yellow green, or green yellow, but yellow yellow. Im not the only one seeing that right?
No, you're absolutely correct - it's a very unusual metallic yellow, and not at all green. I quite like it, partly because nobody else offers anything similar, but also because it looks good with all the black trim (and roof).
I got the S model. FWD and 2.0 matched with the CVT trans. Super smooth and has all I need to get anywhere. Best MPG and has all the upgrades inside. Black with chrome trim. AT 6'5" I'm in need of space and I'm good up front. I climb into this car, not down.
I like that these cars are going back to the more boxy shapes which definitely allows better interior space. In Australia the Seltos is $40,000 and the Cerrato is $30,000, same engine but detuned, 150kw V 130kw. I don't know why they did this. I wanted to buy the Seltos but I can't go past the value of the Cerrato. ( I think it's the "Forte in the U.S.) Great vid as always.
This is such an attractive, well executed design. It’s the kind of honest quality you used to see in mass market Japanese cars like the 92 Civic or 93 Altima or 97 RAV4.
Is RUclips shadowbanning SG? I wonder if sub count really comes down to asking people to subscribe🤔... The opening montage would be a good place to stick a 3 or 4 second subscribe plug off in a corner. I’ve seen some good ones. Snazzy labs does this one that doesn’t even say subscribe, it’s just a graphic for a subscribe plug, kind of neat actually. Other than that I really wonder if at some point something was said on this channel and some purple hair at google flipped the switch, and the algorithm in the sky shut it down. Based on the quality of content, I don’t get why this channel has been sort of stuck at the same amount of subs for so long 🤔🤔🤔
If I had to guess... it's the brutal honesty, which is what big car companies don't want when they're trying to sell as many new cars as possible! And the amount of people that appreciate the quality videos just isn't enough to overcome the algorithm. Maybe some more vape clips and people closer to their 20s will tune in
You need to review the base version if you're going to tell everyone that's what they should drive. It's a 2.0 na motor with CVT vs/ the turbo with dual clutch that you were driving. Test drove the same care you did this weekend (looking for a car for mom), I was actually impressed.
With a DCT, the manufacturer gets to boast of slightly better fuel economy numbers. I'd prefer a well-designed conventional automatic. Hopefully, H/K will, as well, at some point.
just to clarify something. the DCT stutters when new, ( or if you disconnect the battery). the DCT logic computer has to re-learn your driving habits. i noticed the shuttering, and laggyness when i first drove it, but after about 500-1000km's it gets pretty smooth. then to confirm this i removed the battery to clear all the computers/re-set the car and the stuttering came back. 2019 Kona 1.6t/awd......same car mechanically. tried it with a my friends 2016 veloster turbo DCT, same thing.
@@danneu8 well sir you know nothing about Indian automobile market...nanos and Swifts is now a thing of past ...you have no idea how many SUVs and crossovers brands offer here and how much Indians love SUVs 😄
That's not snot-rocket green, dude. It's 'gold'. Slightly color-blind? You often talk about the power a car has without ever mentioning the actual figure. I like Kia's approach to try and make a car that works in many markets. I think the myriad of trim levels and models are an unhealthy expression of society.
The DCTs in the cheaper cars and some 1,6 hybrids are the older DCT6, the initial thought from Hkmc were to emulate a 6 speed torque converter, the newer style DCT emulate (best) the VAG DSGs
I think it's hit or miss with them. I had a 2019 Sportage for 3 years. Not one issue. I was however worried about the fire issue and motor blowing issue which were both recall issues. I just traded for the 2022 Starbright Yellow Seltos S three days ago and noticed within about 3 hours that the gas gage is broken. The dealership thinks it's a sensor or maybe something like that pertaining to the sending unit in the gas tank. I'm not positive. Anyhow part is ordered and supposed to have the gas tank dropped and part replaced next week. I just hope that's my one and only issue.
The Seltos is more of a CX-30 competitor. The Sportage competes with the CX-5. I've owned 2 Kias(Soul and Optima) and 2 Mazdas(Mazda6 and currently CX-30), and it really just depends on what you value. Mazdas tend to be firmer but still a comfortable ride and feel more premium. Kia's are more utilitarian, no bullshit, and better balanced in terms of space/packaging. I liked the CX-30's traditional transmission(The Seltos' DCT largely makes the AWD useless for anything beyond basic situations), interior, and quietness. I really don't think you can go wrong with either. Some people hate the tighter cockpits of Mazda's and that's okay.
CX-5's big problem is how much extra it is for the turbo. I drove the naturally aspirated version and it does have more fun factor than others as it actually feels a bit playful cornering. If only the turbo was priced better...
@@meh-87 Carbon Edition for the CX-5 coming soon that reduce the entry point for a Turbo. Agree that forcing you up to GT-R trim to get the Turbo has been a significant barrier for some, although still competitively priced against the Audi Q3.
Mazda all the way...one step above in quality of fit and finish, materials and most of all original designs rather than a miss-mash of different styles like Kia does. Although that does reflect in the price usually.
I love the acknowledgement of the current automotive economics - most people are putting themselves way too far in debt for their automotive want, rather than their automotive need.
That's the sort of truth you get here that you won't get on many other review sites. It makes clicking here worth your time.
Jim Thumerzs he’s got a great deep dive video on it too. Highly recommend.
@@spencertahan9814 To be fair your Gladiator will impress teenage boys and make you feel like the man until 5 years later when you're still making payments and the novelty has worn off
On top of $500 a month payment, you may be paying an additional $500 a month in repairs with an FCA product.
I feel the smartest people during this pandemic are buying used CR-Vs and RAV-4s. Reliable, affordable and still known to have many many miles left in them.
Not only way to far in debt with their payment but don't forget the d word. DEPRECIATION!
Buy the vehicle and hold it based on need.
My last 2 auto purchases were a 97 Pontiac Grand Prix SE (Baes Model) and a 2002 Acura RSX also the base Model. They get me where I need to go safely. I have the money I did not spend on more and more cars because I thought I wanted something.
Be smart!
I just got the SX Turbo in Mars Orange for $25,200 last month so you can get an incredible value with these. Love it so far!
How much did were they asking?
@@jamescogley2344 I think 27,500. It came factory tinted and I made sure there were no dealer add ons I just bought the car and nothing else
Any issues so far? How’s the drive quality?
With tax, tag, title, and registration included?
you mean the s..... not the sx
KIA to a dealers: 'You better SellThose"
😅
Genius.
They really do. Here in AUS they’re still on backlog I believe.
I bought an SX over Thanksgiving - this review helped cement my decision, even though I know I was paying too much for the high end model. Real shitty dealer experience, but I love the vehicle. I ponied up for the SX so I could get the full suite of adaptive cruise and highway driving assist, and let me tell you, it is absolutely outstanding. I think adaptive cruise is one of the must-have gizmos on modern cars and it's so nice to have on long trips. I am getting above-advertised mpg on the highway (up to 34 vs. 30 EPA). I am a big fat man and I fit just fine behind the wheel and the vehicle is just about the perfect size in terms of cargo capacity and ease of parking (I street park in Queens, NY). This review is extremely spot on about the Dual Clutch and other little bugaboos about the car, which is why I love this channel so much. If you're interested in this car, take this review to heart. I would recommend it as someone who hasn't owned a car in 20+ years and who is used to renting high-end vehicles for my road trips. There isn't a whole lot of compromise here given the dimensions and price tag.
You're 100% correct on adaptive cruise control. Have it in my 2021 Ionic Electric, and it's a game-changer for longer trips and sitting in traffic.
This remains the most thorough, transparent and entertaining automotive review channel I have ever seen. Nothing comes close to matching this.
He really deserves more subscribers and views.
New sub here, and I'm impressed!
I feel like the Korean brands are going to take over soon. For the price they make some excellent vehicles. There really inst anything competing in these price ranges anymore except bare-bones mainstream brands that are super unappealing. The excellent warranties and low prices and rising quality make these brands a really good option.
@Stereo Typist you hit the nail on the head the dealer network needs a lot of help they are assholes to put it blunt and the reason for that is because they are selling a ton vehicle they are so busy to a certain level that it’s gone to thier head!! But it will catch up with them if they don’t change their business practice soon!!
Carbon build up on the intake valves is common when these cars hit over 100,000 miles. There's no avoiding it.
I agree. I’m in Michigan, and I see so many Kias nowadays. Affordable, reliable and good warranties. Styling is hit or miss for me on most models but whatevs.
@@PhyuckYew yes, there is. A simple oil catch can install and you'll be fine.
@@joachimkazmaier Not everyone knows that. Mechanics like me won't tell my customers that lmao...
13:51 oh god i thought he was going to say the car failed the visor test.
Lol I came to the comments wondering why nobody was mentioning this
Thank you for actually reviewing cars in-debt college students can aim for!
Thanks for still reviewing these less expensive vehicles. I bought a 2017 Yaris iA a few years back partly because of your review. (its not fancy but it had the features I wanted and still drove well for an economy car. Plenty of space for two adults and I even stuffed a 6ft Christmas tree inside it with the seats down and the trunk between the front seats)
Its cool to see high end BMW's and stuff but many of us who aren't ok with debt up to our eyeballs or lighting cash on fire aren't ever going to buy/lease one. Keep the performance cars coming though, just keep the affordable stuff coming too :)
I have the 16 Scion iA. Good to see another person with good taste!
I have a 2017 Yaris iA. Going on 90k miles from brand new with no issues.
Agree on the dealership experience. Bought a Hyundai back in 2013, felt like I was walking into a cheap used car dealer. Their cars got better but the sales tactics of the dealerships are still back to the days when both companies had bad products that only people with bad credit would buy or those who couldn't afford anything else.
leased a Kia towards end of summer. They are ruthless. I lease every 3 years from 1996 till now. 1 Kia and they had went to talk to sales manager like 50 times. more than all my other negotiations put together haha.
I bought a Hyundai a couple of months ago and had no issues at all. I contacted them and set up a test drive of two different models. I ended up buying a Kona that same day. I think it helped that the dealership I went to is family-owned and has been in business for years, even before they started selling Hyundais back in the 80s. They originally sold Oldsmobiles, and they've also been selling Mazda's since the early 70s.
Fitzgerald Hyundai in Clearwater, FL was great. No problems or hassles at all.
We had a very pleasant experience with our local Hyundai dealer eight years ago. Auto dealerships are all locally owned, and usually by people who own multiple selling a bunch of different brands. There is no sensible reason you'll be treated worse by a Kia dealer than by the Honda dealer owned by the same people.
@@theDARKSTEP I’m thinking of leasing cuase i change my mind alot, are leases easier for them to add stuff on to the price vs financing to buy?
Mark thank you for explaining how Hyundai and Kia can sell their vehicles cheaper than the competition. Honestly had no clue about the robotics portion of Hyundai.
Mark do a tutorial on the sound graphs.
I think the same thing lol
That'd be great. I don't get that portion at all.
Hard agree.
Agreed
Vote from me
My Hyundai dealership experience was horrible. I owned a Tiburon GTV6. Took to dealer for 2nd replacement of power window regulator. Service manager calls me and says that on the courtesy test drive the tech noted my clutch was failing and wanted $1300 to replace. I drove the car there, clutch was fine, car had 50k miles. I declined and picked car up. Under acceleration car was now bucking and stalling. I know a bad clutch and this wasn’t that. Took to my Indy mechanic and quickly he noted my air intake hose had been sliced with a razor carefully on bottom side to not be visible. Under load car was pulling air from engine compartment instead of air cleaner bypassing mass air sensor. A piece of duct tape fixed it until I could install a new intake hose. The clutch lasted another 40k miles and cost $700 to replace. This is only one of my service experiences with them. Big warranties but getting warranty work done was impossible and they weee always looking to up sell non warranty “repairs”. The car went 13 years with us but Hyundai never worked on it again.
@@Mark-eu6mc Low to mid 20’s in mixed driving. You could get over 30 on an interstate road trip. Curious why you ask. Mileage on a 17 year old fwd coupe seems less than relevant today...
Thank God! They are criminals masquerading as technicians, and that’s really unfortunate.
Thank you for again focusing on affordable cars. This sounds like an ideal suv but would probably wait for the Tuscon for a similar price. I really like your channel overall the best. You have a lot of technical knowledge and that helps. And you're honest which is a breath of fresh air.
This is a car channel on another level. I think this is far The best car channel on RUclips and I have seen the majority of them. Thank you for the content you make! Really enjoy your videos!
Thank you for talking about car debt! It is massive issue making people feel bad for owning old/cheap cars. In USA it is sometimes hard to admit when one is poor
You hit the nail on the head with the crappy dealership experience. I shopped one Hyundai dealership and it was pretty much sleazy, didn't give a darn salespeople. Next time, when I bought, the other Hyundai dealership was THE WORST I have ever experienced in 30 years of buying cars. And I'm the one who everyone goes to for help buying a new car. AWFUL! But the car itself is fine. An Ioniq EV. But yes, independent rear suspension would have been nice. The EV model doesn't have it and it's noticeable. Unless Hyundai (and Kia) clean up their act, when it comes time to turn this lease in, I will drop it off and take an Uber to another manufacturer's dealership.
Outstanding review of the Seltos by Mark. There was just enough, yet comprehensive, information to help you if thinking of getting a new CUV/SUV vehicle.
Your points on the dealership experience, it’s sad to hear, but an actual issue. I work with a dealership that has 3 other Kia dealerships in our metro all run horribly. We outsell the 3 other dealerships combined, and while it’s great for me, it hurts my brand image. The quality of our cars are top of the line for respective segments and price points, I wish we could just weed out poorly run dealerships
I'm just going to put this out there. Midwest Kia in Wichita Kansas. It's one of those car lots with a fence around the whole thing forcing you to walk though the sales floor. Well, I looked at a Kia Sorento once there and decided it wasn't for me and left. Should've ended there, but they got my number from my financial paperwork (I refused to give my number to the salesmen or to be put in their DSM.) and would start to call me 3 or more times a day from different numbers. I even got calls at 1am from the different salesman while at the club. Most outrageous shit I've even experienced with a dealership. They only stopped when I went off on their sales manager saying a bunch of less than flattering things. It lasted for 4 months, every fucking day from 10 different numbers so I couldn't block them. I would never buy a new Kia now because of that, and if I did buy a new Kia I'd drive to a different city to get fucked by their dealership.
Leave more anonymous reviews on their websites
I own a SX and your review Nailed it! Totally agree with everything you stated especially about the dual clutch. Hey Consumer Reports, this is how you review a car!
Swear to god Kia hasn’t made a bad new car in the last 3 years. Every reviewer praises them at their price point.
I’d argue every vehicle they have made with a a dual clutch is a bad car. And unfortunately that is half of the cars they have made in the last 3 years...
They’ve been holding it down. I’m waiting for when Hyundai/kia will get to play with their resources, cause then we’ll see some real fun products
@@emotionz3 Nah, the DCT has typically only been offered on higher end trim levels with the turbo engines, while the mainstream models are still mostly naturally aspirated.
Scotty Kilmer would refute you. Still junk but now less ugly (this one is hideous though)
@@markmiller3279 Korean cars are all about the value - as you go up in trim levels it's a much harder sell (for me, anyway). I think the mainstream models are the way to go with the naturally aspirated motors and torque-converter automatics/manuals where applicable.
I got mine a week ago in neptune blue. Awd lx basic non turbo and its AMAZING! I have mile long driveway thats gravel and hills and its takes it head on no problems. Its my daily replacement for ford fusion that use to slide out and lose traction or scrape on my driveway. This no problems what so ever. Amazing car seriously.
Oh my gosh you’re so right about the dealership experience. I wanted to buy a Stinger. I saw a specific one online and went to the dealership to check it out. When I pulled up and asked if they had it, the salesman said, oh sorry we sold it today. I was like oh well, and I was getting back in my car and he was like haha just kidding. What the hell? How is that funny. Then he started to explain to me how the Stinger is really special rare. No-one walks into a Kia a dealer asking for a Stinger who doesn’t know that. Needless to say I didn’t buy it.
Someone doesn't have a sense of humor
Did you go to a different dealer?
Being disrespectful or straight up rude to a customer (buyer) is, in my opinion, the Kiss of Death.
You ABSOLUTELY did the right thing by walking away from this poorly-trained salesperson. He’s leaving a LOT of money on the table by being rude to any buyer, under any circumstances. Not smart.
I actually like the exterior styling. As crowded and competitive as this segment is, it helps this car stand out amongst the bevy of other compact suv/crossover offerings.
Thank you for covering manufacturing, and the use of steel over aluminum. Exactly what I am looking for, and something no one else really talks about!
Finally someone came out and said it. I taught it was only me. I was given the run around when I tried to test a Seltos. It took me 45 minutes of fighting with them before I could get the keys..insane. Also , the warranty is bullshit...Even if its under warranty Kia canada does not reimburse the dealership unless a piece is physically taken out and replaced with a new one. I went to two dealerships to service my 2017 kia SOUL with 40000km on the odometer. Both places tried to charge me for a slow closing sun roof and a rear seat rattle. Dont bother calling headquarters either . They wont help you. They say they have no control over what dealerships do...? So basically, your car has an issue, you think you are covered by the warranty so you bring it in. Oups its not covered and we have to charge you for the time it took to see that. Not only does it come out of your pocket, but you will pay double the hourly rate. Thats the definition of a STEELERSHIP. Sure the cars are getting better but because the service has frustrated me so much, I have decided to just get rid of my car and go back to japanese. Fu&*( you KIA
Thank you for saying this! So many people get caught up in the 10 year, 100,000 mile “warranty” but find out later that it’s all marketing. Good luck finding a dealership that will fix your problem for you!
@@moloono1 they also fail to mention that that warranty is voided if the vehicle changes hands in any way. I worked at a Hyundai dealership and a customer's warranty was voided when he re-registered his car and added his wife to the registration. I'll never own a Hyundai/Kia after seeing the shady way they treat customers with warranty claims and half-assed recalls.
@@jameswilson8907 Wow, that’s about what I expected. Thanks for sharing.
Get stuffed
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My wife and I just bought one. When we went to test drive one and then got the whole "dealeship experience. They lowballed us (of course) on our trade in, and told us about the "dealership fee" (something like $1,500) and tried to make it seem like they were being honest by telling us about it, and not like it's just a way for them to make it seem like they were cutting you a deal during negotiations.
We left and instead went through an auto broker. Got a fair deal for our trade in, and purchase price, and never had to deal with "dealership pressure". Broker fee was 1% of the purchase price so a few hundred dollars. Money well spent for the hastle free experience imo.
Problem with KIA nowadays are not the cars. The dealership is a real problem: here in Europe KIA is very bad at supporting the shops / the warranty repairs. Its a shame. Good Car, BAD dealership experience for both sides: For the shop who is trying to sell this, and for the customer who is buying it. That at some point will snap back to H / K...
This is a real problem with a lot of car brands, especially foreign ones. The European and American car brands all have substantially better dealership experiences than the Korean and Japanese here in the states. I’ve bought cars and joined others buying cars for the last few decades here in Chicago and when I lived in California, so while anecdotal experience, it’s reflected by millions of other people who say the same thing: Kia/Hyundai treat you like shit and fight you on warranty work, Toyota rushes you through selling a car because if you don’t buy one, someone else will, and they will push you into something you don’t want or can’t afford, Honda and Mazda get very snippy about the bottom line and rarely negotiate, often relying on creative accounting, pushing extended warranties (which in the case of modern Honda you may actually need) and hiding BS fees because of the cutthroat margins, and Nissan...yikes.
Yeah dealership experience is bad here in the US as well
Its even worse here in US, both Hyundai and Kia dealers are famous for ripping off ppl, u have to drive 4hrs to find a decent dealership, even that is not guaranteed to be a positive experience. Its basically impossible to find a new car deal without getting jipped in some way
Agree with KIA support but luckly here in Norway at least Hyundai have excellent service.
Tim hmm I haven’t had an issue at ettleson Hyundai in countryside Illinois. I know the owner he’s a good guy .
You are great! Thank you for talking about the dealership experience at Kia. I don’t know what’s wrong, but my parents have had endless issues with the dealer, even though they love the car. Very nice, honest review! I will pass this on.
This is the most honest, thorough car review I've seen. It would be nice for the reviewer to have driven a lower range model, though.
Covid has helped car buying consumers most of all. It really has changed the dealer experience for the better (for consumers) . I've had several friends who have had to buy cars recently and all have really enjoyed the new rules. To give a few examples. They liked how they started online and were able to get the inventory item and payment locked in outside of a hard sell environment, and once there they had limits on people inside so they were taken to the car and paperwork and got in and went without hassle.
I was just thinking, if you were someone who bought a car during the first couple months of chaos, boy did you get a deal. 0% interest with no payments for 24 months? Hahaha.
@@802Garage carvana started a 3 months no payments deal RIGHT after i bought my car ughh
@@Zaque-TV Oof. 😢
Umm..been doing it that way for about 10 years now....
16:57 This was not ever close to a problem for me when I got my Mazda CX5 (based in no small part of your recommendation, by the way -- Thank you). The dealership experience was soooo smooth and low-stress, it was the best car shopping experience of my life!
Thank you for the complete review. I thought Kia/Hyundais were cheap because of cost cutting, but it's just economies of scale and sourcing local in Korea. Very enlightening!
Also, thank you for mentioning the Kia dealership experience. Three years ago, I was suddenly without a car, and had to get something quick. I was between 2018 Kia Forte5 and 2018 Mazda3 Hatch. Kia was open earlier so I went there first. The sales rep talked up and down about being a "straight shooter" during the test drives, but when we got back to the office to talk price/financing, there was some $3000+ (Canadian pesos) in extra price over the MSRP - before freight and PDI charges. I was like what is this?! The sales manager came over, I showed him the price on Kia.ca for the spec we were talking about and he says a bunch of shitty excuses and "dealer markup" and I was like what? I politely said that won't do; MSRP or I walk - they held. I thanked them for their time and headed over to Mazda, where they had the 3 for MSRP, and it was cheaper and felt better built than the Kia, so I went straight to the conversation of "can I pick it up tomorrow; Sunday". After putting the deposit on the Mazda, Kia phones and is like "we really want to earn your business!" I let him BS for a bit, then said I'm buying a Mazda. He was like "Why?" I said "price, better product." And that was that. I did not buy a Kia cause the dealers are trying to screw their potential customers.
Also, shout out to Signature Mazda in Richmond, BC - those guys were great. Every step of ownership, they were professional and friendly. On delivery, they threw in some extras - beats headphones and wireless speaker pod, and I got to drive it out of the showroom's front doors. It was a great dealership experience.
What? I just bought a CX-30 from Signature Mazda in late August. I didn't get anything and I would've been happy with a coffee mug and/or umbrella!
Every company cost cuts somewhere. They just cost cut on things that aren’t that important
My wife and I have a 19 kia Niro touring (same platform I believe) and you could say that two years in we're still loving it. This car has the dual clutch and I like it . I've read before that the electric motor smooths things out so I'm not sure how good it is in the Seltos. I just noticed that there's a new Seltos on my street and I've been kind of admiring it . I think that where I live in Winnipeg Manitoba that Hyundai / Kia seem unstoppable, just by the amount that I'm seeing. By the way Mr. Goose I did a lot of internet research before buying the Niro and your review was part of that hunt. Keep up the good work your videos have a certain flair and are fun to watch and dig deep , no bull shit.
Dethklok would definitely do a song called "Serial Killers Walking in the Snow."
AWAKEN AWAKEN AWAKEN...
I miss them.
That include Frankenberry & Count Chocula ...
Them vs the murmaiders!!
This channel is a real Car Reviewer! So much knowledge that I need to define the technicals. Keep it up!
You are one thousand percent correct on the Kia dealer experience. In the SF bay area, I tried to purchase a new Soul, and was interested in the Seltos as well. The dealers start negotiating from a $3k mark up. They treat me like a dumb ass, and use every sleazy trick out there. I hear this about service as well. Those wonderful warranties that Kia/Hyundai offer look good on paper, but get tricky when something comes up. This is too bad, as they have some appealing products. Cross shopping Ford(which I know you do not like) was the total opposite. No games, great deals. I haven't yet purchased, but after buying over 25 new cars, I was not impressed with Kia dealers.
Thank you for your honest review!!
I just bought the SX a few days ago and this video review is spot on and as honest as it can be. Not one difference in opinion from me. I am so far happy with my purchase, and agree the DCT is a bit wonky but can definitely live.
As a family "raking it in" at 150k a year, we only drive 30k worth of car between my wife and I. You dont need a 30-40k car each person.
Same here. We haven’t had a car payment in years. Half these “experts” are neck deep in debt and just justifying overpaying for their car of choice.
Our experience with our local Hyundai dealer was positive both times we bought vehicles from them. We filled out an online form on the make, model and color we wanted as well as our price range and the dealer had that exact vehicle waiting for us the next morning for a test drive. We even got an after hours call from a real person letting us know the vehicle would be ready for us.
I recently drove this CUV. Coming from a 2014 daily driver Suzuki Swift, this Kia Seltos blew my mind almost instantly. The subtle luxury features, the responsive infotainment system, the powerful truck-like ride height (i never drove a CUV/SUV before) and BEST of all: the 6-Speed Auto Transmission (which can be put in manual shifting mode) was so engaging to drive - the transmission alone is enough to discourage me from a CH-R, Juke or HR-V, regardless of the Japanese being more reliable. Amazing job, Kia.
P.S: The only 2 niggles i had were: The cheap plastic parts (at that price point, what do you expect) and the steering feel which was a bit numb imo.
I got the Seltos SX trim in November in the Neptune Blue color with the Moon roof. I absolutely love the car honestly. Ride quality is great, especially after some time to break things in, the Bose system is great, the technology is great, and I average above the EPA estimate for fuel economy in my mixed city / highway driving and here in Cincinnati, it usually only costs me about $23 to fill up from empty filling up with the recommended mid grade gas.
I still can’t decide whether the styling is too much or not on the exterior. There’s so much going on in the front.
I had a similar issue with Hyundai styling, but they seem to have toned it down lately. Those stylists must have moved across the lot to Kia now :)
Go to more simple color and you will be fine, like black or silver!
Yes black silver and white colors looks good on the seltos
At least it's not a Civic or Ford Super Duty.
This is imho one of the better executions of “modern” stylings
Great intro. The guy has humanity running through his veins.
"Snot Rocket Green" -- great band name! Jack conspicuously absent -- "It's not a BMW?,....it's not a Porsche?,.....it's not a Hellcat?,..........I'M OUT!!"
I call it kidney infection yellow.
reminds me of "Bile Yellow" (thx Clarkson!) on the E46 M3
Thank you for your no bull crap, down to earth, everyday Joe kind of reviews. I love cars, I love watching car reviews but a few of the..... younger reviewers are just too whiny about trivial things so I no longer watch them. Savagegeese, Throttle House, Alex on Autos, and the guys at the TFL channels are my go to for reviews. Thanks for what you do.
They ARE whiny about trivial things! I thought it was just me who saw that.
Disappointed to find out the Goose is not “rolling in it”. You should be. As an early adopter in the dsg world (vw) I can say the delay from a start can lead to some terrifying situations. Either late getting started or anticipating a delay and jumping out into traffic. Scary. Must say I’ve experienced the dealer effect with Kia before. Won’t buy one until they treat customers like people. Great video as always.
current generation DSG transmission from VW do not have a delay anymore. VW has refined the experience but it is only available in their performance vehicles in the USA now.
This guy really knows his stuff , stuff that matters.
I completely agree with your points around avoiding Kia/Hyundai products with FWD + turbocharged engines. I had a 2017 Hyundai Sonata 2.0t and every time I floored it from a stop, I just got unbelievable wheel hop to the point where I was convinced I was going to end up with an engine in my lap due to the stress on the engine mounts.
I’ve since moved on to a 2020 Kia Stinger AWD which has obviously been a night/day difference.
Thank you for the deep dive on the backend workings of Kia/Hyundai. Very interesting about the steel/robotics element.
Was looking at some kia/hyundai for sure, though from Savage and others video's, wife is quite excited to be getting a Mazda cx-5 in the next few months. A bit pricier than I want, but I do like the attempts of being a little upscale.
In the long term you made the right decision imo
get the Mazda for sure
Good straight forward review. No fluff or flowery marketing propaganda. Thank you.
-"Designed for a global market"
-Rear turn signals aren't amber
I wish the U.S. would do something about their regulations on turn signals and lighting, the brake lights doubling as turn signals is terrible for safety, and i've been seeing more and more pos chevys with their reverse lights on while parked.
My Cadenza has amber stop lights here in the states, but they just updated the law that they have to be red here in Maryland. Got a lot of compliments specifically for them. Safety wise I thought they awesome.
Ohh I hate that reverse lights on when parked. Almost as much as I hate the people who wait for the car to back up instead of just parking.
I don't think that is going to happen any time soon. Car enthusiasts don't typically like amber turn signals. I even modified my STI's turn signals slots to be white reverse lights and my brake lights are now turn signals. Diode Dynamics sell the Tail to Turn kits for this.
@@jonathanb1987 I think implementation and design is key. You can have some really nice amber turn signals (especially LED ones) that don't appear amber when they're not on (many appearing clear). The American/Canadian market also seems to have size restrictions, so although the European style may already be brighter and safer, some outdated regulation may restrict it from passing requirements.
I really don't care what color the turn indicators are. I just wish people would use them!
I absolutely love your videos. There's just something about your style and presentation and I'm not even a car guy! Please keep it up!
So for me the color is yellow, am I color blind?
No you are not. Maybe its green in real life but the colour grading makes it look yellow for us.
I see yellow
Beef Ingot it’s Yellow he’s just goofy
More like a mustard yellow....or curry yellow.
I'm seeing yellow. I was lost for a sec. Haha
Agreed on the dealership comments. I personally can’t wait until everything is done online for all brands
So, what do “serial killers walking in the snow” sound like?
Heavy breathing, soft footsteps.
When you find out, it's already too late...
Mark, great comment about the serial killers, because it does sound like someone carrying a body in the snow, lol.
It's kind of like walking on wet Cheetos.
The US version is stunted big time in terms of options and features. Will list out what’s missing compared to Canadian and Asian market versions.
1. Cooled and Ventilated seats for the driver and passenger.
2. Heated rear passengers seats
3. Head up display
4. Parking proximity sensors front and rear
5. Electric tail gate open and close
6. Flat bottom steering in top end versions.
Kia simply chose to ignore US customers. Surprised these aren’t called out in the review.
Brain dead consumerism. Oh no little timmy is going to freeze his butt off in the back seat in my seltos beater car.
11:15 So what I'm hearing is we need an AWD Veloster N/N-Line???
This was good to learn about Kia Steel and Manufacturing process, Thanks
5:01 "You can throw it up easily"
-Mark
I just bought the S in blue with a white roof. Wanted the higher trim but I still love it. It's a good value for the money and very attractive.
"For the price" should be Hyundai/Kia's tagline. I like the speaker covers though.
True, and they do a very good job of cutting costs where they matter the least to most buyers.
Honestly I was looking for a RAV4 and I saw this at a kia dealership in the test drove it and I fell in love with the car I will be buying one. The base model with all-wheel drive for me was only $22,000.
I am not considering buying a Kia anymore because last time I went there, they would not let me go home!
Did they hold a gun to your head?
@@chuckwalla2967 no, a key from a new Kia!
@@chuckwalla2967 If you disclose, early-on (which you shouldn't) that you're thinking about trading-in your current car, the salesman will take your key to "have the car inspected" while discussing a new car. But when you decide you are ready to walk, they keep coming up with excuses to avoid returning your own car's key. It happened once to me, it went on for nearly 30 minutes while the salesman kept coming back with no key, but more unacceptable offers - the conflict almost became physical, and I learned never to hand my key to one of those bozos again.
@@kenhoward3512 That's not what SuperBob is saying here.
Outstanding motoring jouranlism. You seem to understand what the average person values as well as a car enthusiast. Keep up the good work.
Great review as always, but why would anyone buy this when CRVs and RAV4s can be had for similar money? The dealership experience and resale value alone should scare you away.
I was going to get the Seltos, however... I test drove the Kia K5 GT-Line AWD and fell in love with it. The K5 feels more refined, and it handles very nicely.
I drive a Ford today all because of the "tactics" used by my local Hyundai dealer. I told them the only way they could lose my business was if they started "playing games". They did. So, I walked. (The Ford has been OK.)
All the moving of the visor - I was waiting fir the visor check.
Fantastic review, I’ve got a 2012 Hyundai sedan and was interested to hear the comments on Hyundai steel, robotics and adhesives.
Makes me feel good about wanting to continue with them.
"Yes, I'll take the serial killer walking in the snow option with an orange head please"
Even i live in snow belt i choose the base Lx 2wd 2liters , this car drive like a luxurious go kart , zippy steering , surprising acceleration , every part fits tight no loose . Like your review : outstanding. Agree i had a crappy dealership, report to Kia Canada ...zero feedback.
Test drove this when wife was looking for small SUV. The gloss plastic was already covered in finger prints and the thing is super noisy when accelerating or merging. Transmission was clunky. Mazda and VW so much better. And similar price. And like stated the dealer was horrible.
Another great review. KIA dealerships are riding high right now with Tellurides selling at above MSRP even with a few thousand miles on them. If I find a good KIA dealership that doesn't try to pull fast ones on me, KIA would have made so much more money on me and my family would all be driving KIAs right now. I feel like Hyundai dealerships have actually made better strides, since some of them now have to service Genesis buyers, and those buyers won't blink twice if anyone tries to pull what some of these KIA dealerships tried on me.
Honestly this is a better alternative to Kia Soul.
Love the review! You’re so honest! I think that’s what people love about your channel especially me! Thanks!
I don't think about how people afford the cars, I just enjoy the show when they all default at once and we get another 2008.
GM gonna need another bailout soon rofl
Yeah, I'm still waiting on a return of Cash 4 Clunkers or tax-free auto purchases or other irresistibly high incentives before making my purchase.
I've been waiting too long, and now having sold all my "tangible automotive stock" (ie. my old pickup) at stupid high prices, I'm getting desperate for desperate times to return.
but 2008 was temporary. Stock market is several folds higher now (same goes for 2015 and covid19 stock crash)
well Unemployment has skyrocketed worldwide with most places going to about 10% unemployment (average - not based on actual data) and every 1% unemployment increase leads to 38,500 deaths and so that's 385000 deaths from unemployment add to the number of suicides caused by people getting into too much debt that they could never be able to repay which is (Couldn't get any figures so I'd assume its about at least 15% of total suicides) and that's a huge figure of people killing themselves this year and that's *not* including the people who will in the future become unemployed when companies like GM, Ford, FCA-PSA, BMW, Daimler AG (or at least the Mercedes-Benz Brand dies out), Renault-Nissan-Mitsubishi Alliance, Toyota (not including the sowing machine business) is forced to close after raking in too much debt and seeing market share decline faster than the economy of the USSR or the PRC due to new competition from the likes of Tesla Inc. and Lucid Motors Inc. and that'll be huge. And so in the long term its more likely to be another 1929 stock market crash but with vehicle manufactures crashing their market share instead of stocks and bonds and then theres the petrodollar dying leading to huge numbers of suicides in the oil dependent middle east leading to massive unemployment figures in the long term
Was driving alongside exact vehicle today and thought it looked quite sharp and perfectly sized for my needs. Decided to look into it.
Green exterior?!?!?! Maybe its colour grading but thats 100% yellow. Like not even a little bit green. Like not yellow green, or green yellow, but yellow yellow. Im not the only one seeing that right?
No, you're absolutely correct - it's a very unusual metallic yellow, and not at all green. I quite like it, partly because nobody else offers anything similar, but also because it looks good with all the black trim (and roof).
I got the S model. FWD and 2.0 matched with the CVT trans. Super smooth and has all I need to get anywhere. Best MPG and has all the upgrades inside. Black with chrome trim. AT 6'5" I'm in need of space and I'm good up front. I climb into this car, not down.
Just got mine this weekend. How's yours currently?
"last but not least... (pulls visor)..
(Pipes Test!?? )... No..
" it's wind noise"... 😂 🤣
I like that these cars are going back to the more boxy shapes which definitely allows better interior space. In Australia the Seltos is $40,000 and the Cerrato is $30,000, same engine but detuned, 150kw V 130kw. I don't know why they did this. I wanted to buy the Seltos but I can't go past the value of the Cerrato. ( I think it's the "Forte in the U.S.) Great vid as always.
So true about car prices. Even Mustangs and Tahoe’s can’t be had for less than 40k or 50k respectively. Who can afford a over 50k Tahoe?
my boss has a fully loaded Tahoe she calls her "toy" and I'm like...wut...
You can definitely get a Mustang cheaper than MSRP. I did. Go in ready and serious to buy and have the dealer cost printout in hand.
This is such an attractive, well executed design. It’s the kind of honest quality you used to see in mass market Japanese cars like the 92 Civic or 93 Altima or 97 RAV4.
Is RUclips shadowbanning SG? I wonder if sub count really comes down to asking people to subscribe🤔... The opening montage would be a good place to stick a 3 or 4 second subscribe plug off in a corner. I’ve seen some good ones. Snazzy labs does this one that doesn’t even say subscribe, it’s just a graphic for a subscribe plug, kind of neat actually.
Other than that I really wonder if at some point something was said on this channel and some purple hair at google flipped the switch, and the algorithm in the sky shut it down.
Based on the quality of content, I don’t get why this channel has been sort of stuck at the same amount of subs for so long 🤔🤔🤔
If I had to guess... it's the brutal honesty, which is what big car companies don't want when they're trying to sell as many new cars as possible! And the amount of people that appreciate the quality videos just isn't enough to overcome the algorithm. Maybe some more vape clips and people closer to their 20s will tune in
Great review! Watched tons of others you brought up points no one else has.
Kia Seltos: Complete nonsensical name
VW Tiguan: Hold my beer
jsonlee01 tiger + inguana = Tiguan, makes complete sense. Surprised nobody named a crossover that before VW.
ervin Whoever came up with that naming concept was on some good drugs! 😆
jsonlee01 it was voted on by the people of Germany and that’s the name they chose
ervin I don’t know if this info makes me feel better or worse 🤔😂
You need to review the base version if you're going to tell everyone that's what they should drive. It's a 2.0 na motor with CVT vs/ the turbo with dual clutch that you were driving. Test drove the same care you did this weekend (looking for a car for mom), I was actually impressed.
I dont know why you'd need a crazy fast duel cluch in this thing any ways smh, whats wrong with a torque converter?
some reports of the DCT overheating in stop and go traffic. waiting for more data. otherwise a nice car.
With a DCT, the manufacturer gets to boast of slightly better fuel economy numbers. I'd prefer a well-designed conventional automatic. Hopefully, H/K will, as well, at some point.
It's the economics of mass production, this dct is used in most of there automatic cars so its cheaper to just put it in all there cars.
@@matthewqtran1318 Read that too in several sources
@@matthewqtran1318 yikes!!
just to clarify something. the DCT stutters when new, ( or if you disconnect the battery). the DCT logic computer has to re-learn your driving habits. i noticed the shuttering, and laggyness when i first drove it, but after about 500-1000km's it gets pretty smooth.
then to confirm this i removed the battery to clear all the computers/re-set the car and the stuttering came back. 2019 Kona 1.6t/awd......same car mechanically. tried it with a my friends 2016 veloster turbo DCT, same thing.
Kia stepped in Indian market with seltos and boy oh boy ...it sold like hot cakes !!
This thing must seem like a monster truck next to all the Nanos and Swifts.
@@danneu8 well sir you know nothing about Indian automobile market...nanos and Swifts is now a thing of past ...you have no idea how many SUVs and crossovers brands offer here and how much Indians love SUVs 😄
@@danneu8 The Nano was a massive flop. The Indians do have standards.
Great review! These are selling very well in Canada!
That's not snot-rocket green, dude. It's 'gold'. Slightly color-blind?
You often talk about the power a car has without ever mentioning the actual figure.
I like Kia's approach to try and make a car that works in many markets. I think the myriad of trim levels and models are an unhealthy expression of society.
The DCTs in the cheaper cars and some 1,6 hybrids are the older DCT6, the initial thought from Hkmc were to emulate a 6 speed torque converter, the newer style DCT emulate (best) the VAG DSGs
13:52 "and then last but not least ... visor test !"
Is the video sound a bit low? Maybe turn the voice up a bit for next videos? Very good review anyways!
And like the transmission, the Dealers suck. They stick on the price, they tried to move me up to the sx and a big ol No thank you.
Personally, I sell 250 Kias a month. I own a Stinger and a Seltos S and my wife loves them both. Never had an issue.
I think it's hit or miss with them. I had a 2019 Sportage for 3 years. Not one issue. I was however worried about the fire issue and motor blowing issue which were both recall issues. I just traded for the 2022 Starbright Yellow Seltos S three days ago and noticed within about 3 hours that the gas gage is broken. The dealership thinks it's a sensor or maybe something like that pertaining to the sending unit in the gas tank. I'm not positive. Anyhow part is ordered and supposed to have the gas tank dropped and part replaced next week. I just hope that's my one and only issue.
So this or a CX-5? Seems like Mazda offers a better put-together product with similar features for a similar price
The Seltos is more of a CX-30 competitor. The Sportage competes with the CX-5. I've owned 2 Kias(Soul and Optima) and 2 Mazdas(Mazda6 and currently CX-30), and it really just depends on what you value. Mazdas tend to be firmer but still a comfortable ride and feel more premium. Kia's are more utilitarian, no bullshit, and better balanced in terms of space/packaging. I liked the CX-30's traditional transmission(The Seltos' DCT largely makes the AWD useless for anything beyond basic situations), interior, and quietness. I really don't think you can go wrong with either. Some people hate the tighter cockpits of Mazda's and that's okay.
The CX-5 Signature (or even a GT) doesn't cost $26,000...
CX-5's big problem is how much extra it is for the turbo. I drove the naturally aspirated version and it does have more fun factor than others as it actually feels a bit playful cornering. If only the turbo was priced better...
@@meh-87 Carbon Edition for the CX-5 coming soon that reduce the entry point for a Turbo. Agree that forcing you up to GT-R trim to get the Turbo has been a significant barrier for some, although still competitively priced against the Audi Q3.
Mazda all the way...one step above in quality of fit and finish, materials and most of all original designs rather than a miss-mash of different styles like Kia does. Although that does reflect in the price usually.
Oh just by the way ! Seltos come from Celtos, Heracles's son (Hercule for the romans). Celtos is also the eponymous of the Celts. I like the name !