You guys have taken the game to another level. The cinematography, knowledge and the entertainment is just so far beyond everybody else and that includes the hacks that run car shows on TV.
@@dwadd7528 Ohk. Have no idea why you would tell me this? I don't give a crap about Hyundai or Kia. I will never buy such filth. I am talking about the quality of the content.
@@martinmartin5904 The guy just doesn't have presentation skills. His videos feel like RUclips videos, while Savagegeese feels like we're getting a film on the car.
LOL. I bet there are more pianos with three pedals than cars these days, so I expect the car-ification of pianos to continue. Either that, or this whole piano black plastic thing is a misguided attempt to bring concert quality sound into automobile cabins.
One of many things I enjoy about your reviews is having two points of view and the dialogue that can produce. That's a refreshing improvement over having a single reviewer. When you disagree, that is useful. When you see things differently, that's instructive. Love it.
I agree. It’s so much more informative when you get to hear different perspectives instead of having a reviewer just regurgitating mfr marketing spiels.
Damn you guys are such good car reviewers. From watching you guys I'm slowly turning into a much smarter car buyer. Thanks, happy holidays ... and keep up the great work.
They really are good and also make it approachable. Sure it's fun to watch crazy Lambos and stuff, but they bring objective, usable and relevant reviews of cars people can afford, not the stuff most of us have never seen in person, much less will ever drive...
They were below 20k subs last year when I subscribed and the quality was the same. It was bonkers to see a channel with so dialed content with such a small following. They should be pushing 2mil next year
I really do not mind cheap interior and acceleration. what I Really dont like about Kia / Hyundai is that their dishonesty. they lied about fuel consumption. when KIA Hyundai cars start catching fire on highway. they did nothing until they got sued. Do not trust this company.
As someone who not only learned how to drive and someone who has to run maintenance on one of the older ones you need to watch your motor especially once you hit the 75000 mile mark check the oil regularly pass up Mark and always get your filters changed on time
@@gatorfishin3079 Yep, so far so good! She actually traded it in for another one lol, but this was a Canadian version, different interior among some little changes, and a HUD.too. Sadly no moose or hockey sounds in the sounds area for relxaing lol
I'm a car enthusiast, SUV hater, and a Kia salesman. That being said, the Sorento impresses me every time I drive it. It's surprisingly quick for an SUV, the seats and adjustability does WONDERS for my bad back, the safety and tech features go above and beyond, and the car just has an overall premium feel. Add the 5 yr 60k bumper-to-bumper and 10 yr 100k powertrain warranty to that mix and this is the #1 SUV I would recommend to all but the filthy rich. I never ever thought I would become a fan of an SUV....
What can I say. Love this channel I agree with alot of the other comments on here describing this channel as one of the best automotive review channels. Simply excellent and quite entertaining. 👍
Very perceptive review as usual, guys. I own a 2018 top trim (SX-L) Sorento. It was greatly improved over the 2012 version that I traded for it. Each has been a goldilocks vehicle for my family of four (2 adults, a teenage daughter, and a big dog.) Except for a GTI the 2012 version was the only vehicle I've replaced with a later version of the same car in almost 50 years of driving. Some thoughts... () Interior space. The feeling of a less room up front isn't and more room in the second row aren't just impressions. KIA has re-jiggered interior space in the new generation. For example, my 2018 Sorento has 44.1" of front seat legroom and an extending driver thigh cushion. There is so much first row legroom that with the seat at the back of its track I can barely reach the pedals. (I'm 5'10"). The 2021 model has been reduced to 41.4", identical to the Telluride and comparable to other midsize SUVs. And in the US version the extending thigh cushion has been eliminated. All in all, unless a driver is over 6'6" the reduction shouldn't be a problem. Furthermore, reducing the default legroom in the first row has enabled KIA to increase the legroom in the second row from 39.4" to 41.7", a more generous default space that Mark noticed. And like the Telluride, the second row even has slightly more default legroom than the first row. The third row of the Sorento is definitely not a generous space. In fact, default legroom has been reduced from 31.7" to 29.7" in the 2021 version. Still, it's the same as the Mazda CX-9 that's almost a foot longer and more than the 27.7" offered by the Toyota Highlander that's a half foot longer. If I needed to transport adults in the third row on a regular basis I'd look for another vehicle. But I suspect that most Sorento owners are like us. We use the third row less than 10% of the time. Otherwise, it remains folded but when we have have the need to chauffeur a gaggle of teenagers or more than 4 or 5 passengers on a local trip and the alternative is taking two vehicles, it's a HUGE convenience. All in all I prefer the third row legroom in my 2018 model but since the second row of the 2021 model can be slid forward and remain for adequate for most passengers there and the seat recline feature in the KIA's third row can be adjusted (a feature not available in my Sorento) it's probably a wash unless one really needs a generous third row. If so, get a Telluride or a minivan. Of course, at 189" long the Sorento's 3rd row (when deployed) does impede cargo space behind it. But the 12.6 cubic ft in the 2021 model is actually a significant improvement over the 11.1 cf in my Sorento. And come on, Mark, a Miata has trunk space measuring 4.6 cubic ft. Yes, the Sorento's rear cargo space is smaller than competitors that range from half a foot to a foot more in overall length (The 10" longer CX-9 offers a still small 14.4 cubic ft) but to claim it's less than a Miata is laughable. I wouldn't try to cram six passengers AND luggage/gear on a road trip in the Sorento but even larger midsize SUVs are challenged by that scenario. Again, that's a use case ideal for a minivan. () Engine and Drivetrain. My 2018 Sorento has the same NA V6 as my 2012 version had. It's adequate though a little thirsty but I've been skeptical of small displacement turbo 4 bangers in a two ton plus SUV. A less stressed V6 has always seemed a safer choice in terms of durability and both of my Sorentos have been outstanding in terms of reliability. Have to say, though, that the 2.5L turbo that Hyundai and KIA are offering in a number of vehicles provides some reassurance, especially since it's the base engine in the Genesis GV80 , G80, GV70, KiA's K5 GT, and Sonata N-line as well as the Sorento. the Hyundai/KIA 10 yr/100K warranty the Korean brands offer suggests they have a lot of confidence in the engine. (Automakers don't offer long warranties if they expect to have to redeem them very often.) Furthermore, the 8 speed dual clutch transmission appears to be a big improvement over the previous DCT's from Hyundai/KIA. I'm a DCT fan (I love the dual clutch transmission in my GTI.) All in all, the better performance and improved fuel economy of the new engine/transmission compared to my current Sorento looks to be a significant improvement. On the other hand I strongly suspect you're correct that combining the turbo4 with FWD is a bad idea for all the reasons cited in the video. While the NA base engine is undoubtedly adequate for a FWD Sorento used primarily in an urban/suburban environment I wouldn't consider adding the turbo4 to a FWD version. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see KIA drop that configuration in future years. It's no longer news that the Telluride (and its sibling the Palisade) are game changers in terms of midsize 3 row SUVs. They're exceptional vehicles. But if I were shopping I think I'd still take the Sorento over either one for my family's needs and priorities.
Before you buy any vehicle, Savagegeese should be your first and last stop to help you make an objective and informed opinion. Love your automotive reviews. Part mechanic, part engineer, part Consumer Reports, all rolled into one. The consumer is pretty much ready to buy without the test drive and that says a lot! Thanks for all your hard work and at 4K FHD!
Great review but I disagree about the third row. It is perfect for people who want it for occasional use. Those occasional times where you need to take or pickup kids and their friends home from the movies or after soccer practice, but want the superior performance and handling vs the Telluride.
All has been said ... I can just add this : When I want to look into a vehicule, you're the most trusted source of INFORMATION and FEEL. Not just Specs and Wow's ... you actually know cars and drive them, in order to get a much better unbiased evaluation ... Thanks a lot again !
One thing I would like to see during 3rd row reviews is how much leg room there is if you don’t put the middle row all the way back. We have a Highlander and I’ve found the 3rd row is useable if you split the legroom between the 2nd and 3rd row.
Totally agree. I watched Raiti’s rides review this vehicle. He is 6 ft tall. He had the 2nd row in the standard position and he had way more room than what this depicted.
Your production quality is through the roof! Some of the best camera work I've seen on any review channel. Plus, epic music selection. Stay savage Mr. Goose!
I thought I was in a Miami Sound Machine video at the beginning :-). You guys continuing to mess around with expectations makes this one of the most consistently fun channels on RUclips.
I don’t subscribe to car channels but the straight up honesty from this guys review deserves that subscribe button. Looking at this upgraded sorrento or a telluride in the next year ….
I'm honestly amazed at how you don't have more subscribers/views. I'm only 20 and have been pulled to your videos with the cinematics, information and attention to detail. P.S - you remind me a lot of Verbal Kint, a character in the movie 'The Usual Suspects' P.P.S - I recommend to watch all the way to the end, then watch it again and then watch a youtube video explaining the plot, it's the sort of movie that gives you the pieces and says, 'here, put it together'.
i hate the piano black trims because they are so nice and shiny they go reflecting the sun right into my eyes. so I end up taking my hand off the steering wheel to block the glare.
@@gdi1093 they really did not stop blowing up. now their EVs are starting to blow up. Hyundai, Kia recall more than 591K vehicles for leaks that can cause fires Sep 4, 2020 Hyundai to recall 77,000 Kona EV over risk of battery fire Oct 13, 2020
@@tocreatee5736 you sound like your so salty over these two brands. Both of these companies have sold more cars world wide then any other company X10. Those numbers of issues are a drop in the water, and their service they offer when there is a issues is second to none. Get over yourself
@@8bitcrypto887 no, he’s right. I bought a Kia Forte 2012, and the engine was on the verge of blowing up after about 93,000 miles. Kia Canada actually paid to have the Kia dealership install a BRAND NEW ENGINE FREE OF CHARGE. It took about 6 weeks and they even paid for my rental car. The reason it took so long was because there was such a backlog of new engine orders from dealerships since so many of them were blowing up, so it took a month just to fulfill the order. I’m not upset at Kia and I still have that forte with no issues, but the reality is Kia and Hyundai engines have always been ticking time bombs.
Thanks to your descriptions of the sounds of nature, my morning bagel and coffee have somehow found their way from my mouth to the screen and the keyboard XD So glad I'm a subscriber to this channel, best incorporation of humor into car reviews I've ever seen!
Nice review. For those that think they want the Sorento turbo off pavement I suggest you watch the TFL video where they managed to overheat the DCT trying to climb a steep uphill.
It’s so effing stupid to use that piano black plastic crap in a car interior like this. Audi is making the same mistake in their latest vehicles. It doesn’t look very good when pristine, and it sure as hell doesn’t look good with finger prints, dust, scratches, semen smears, etc. Terrible trend that must end! 😤
@@b286guy - Hear! Hear! I think they're just Jerking us around & using up the remaining piano black plastics that they have stocked, all they do is mold and ta-daaaa - your center console smearing begins. Thankfully the _all things shiney & new_ plastikos trend looks to be heading the way of the Dodo Bird. Can't happen fast enough I say.
Back again - I only started recently and I'm joining in with everyone saying "these guys should have way more subscribers". Awesome video; hilarious and technical (technically hilarious?)!
I've had the X-line for a few months now. The piano black really is a dust magnet, but manageable. I agree that the front seat is high in the lower position and would've loved it if it was lower by an inch or two. Rest I love, the power train is great, drives great, I don't mind the capacitive buttons at all, never gave me issues, but I don't wear gloves.
“The shudder only happens when you’re first setting off and going 2-3 mph” Just like how millions of people drive in bumper to bumper traffic for multiple hours per day?
Probably my main reason the DCT is still a no for me. That shuddering and the clutch slipping with slow stop and go traffic over one hour every day would drive me crazy.
@@volatilememory9338 will be an excellent highway cruiser but cvt still wins for inner city driving. I hate cvt but I see why Honda, etc use it. It's why EV will be even better for city driving.
@@blackbeargear8884 I would actually be okay with a reliable CVT over DCT for city driving and stop and go traffic. I think the Corolla with the first gear being physical is actually a nice compromise.
Love you guys. Your videos provide information in a manner that never talks down their viewers. I always look forward to Mark's pithy comments.. You both have different personalities but seem to balance each other out. When Mark accelerated in the 2 wheel drive model and the steering was less than stable my first thought was "well Mark has finally lost it" Continue to go the extra mile, give us all a smile or two and thank the people behind the scenes that make this all happen.
Wow! Glad I watched this to learn about the torque steer issue in the fwd turbo model and how they recommend the awd. Thank you. Very entertaining in a direct, no nonsense way.
Savageese is what a Car & Driver RUclips channel would have been like had there been an internet and RUclips back in Car & Diver's best 1970's and 80's years. The wit, wisdom, sarcasm, coupled with beautiful imagery.
Boy you guys are on fire coming out with new videos great early Christmas/Hanukkah/Kwanzaa/some Muslim holiday/bootism/Harry Krishna/Buddhism/some Indian holiday/birthday/atheist/666 gift. Thank u
Amazing that the Sorento's back seat setup is better than the Bentley Bentaga's setup. I really cannot fathom how a 200,000 dollar SUV gets you manual seats with less functionality than a Kia.
@@sebastian3004 If it had a watch mechanism I'd believe it but that shit was squeaking too. ruclips.net/video/yRUqkMmf79I/видео.html 9:30 mark the rear will not drop down for easier luggage storage for some reason in the video. So a feature already not working. 9:40 sqeaky seats, manual. I just don't understand how they have the balls to charge as much as they do. Really is a bad joke. Then you have folks saying the Lexus LX is a waste when its purpose built, can actually go off road reliably, has automatic seats and an auto matic third row and has a reliable power plant but that's over priced? I don't understand reviewers. SG at least critiques all cars regardless. The folks that make excuses for Bentley, RR, Aston, are all kinda annoying. Sad part is I like Harry who reviews these cars but my god some of those cars are appalling for the price they charge. Aston is another prime example, charging as much as they do using Mercedes engines, and building heavy boats that ironically enough can be beaten on a track no less by something like a Challenger Hellcat. While both cars were driven cautiously you would think something like an Aston would put a sizeable gap. fastestlaps.com/articles/aston-martin-db11-beats-dodge-challenger-hellcat-in-a-grand-tour-duel-here-are-the-lap-times#:~:text=The%20new%20Aston%20managed%20to,4%20seconds%20below%20optimal%20pace.
Getting our new AWD Sorento EX tomorrow, very excited! Drove better than everything we tested, be it BMW X5, Lexus RX, mazda, chevy, volvo and 5 others we tested in this size range. Quieter than everything but the Porsche macan (which it matched as far as my crappy phone db meter says), even quieter than the telluride on the interstate. I totally agree about the third row. We tried to get one without it but any trim above base requires the 3rd row option. Oh well. Also you're dead on with the $36k sweet spot. We got everything we wanted for $36,00.01. turbo, awd, pano roof, gray Syntex interior, and a few other things.
I spy an LG V series phone. V50 I am guessing with the 5G logo. I have had LG V series phones going all the way back to the V10. I am now using a V60 dual screen.
Dang, I don’t pay attention, I have a LG V20, I had no idea they were up to V50 I really like the V20, so I can only imagine how good a V60 is compared to my “old” phone
I just bought this in the EX trim with AWD today. I traded in my 2020 Equinox and this is a huge upgrade for me. I love how it rides! Like you said, I think KIA and Hyundai have really invested in improving their automobiles. This Sorento has that entry level luxury feel. :)
I liked this review but I must say that I'm surprised that you didn't go into the new engine being dual injection, or the really meaning of a wet clutch.
"Key differences in overall dimensions. The Sorrento is in 4 dimensions of space and time, but the Telluride is an 11-dimensional hyperspace manifold. Hence the dealer markup."
Telling it straight, yet well filmed, very informative and entertaining. Is this channel re-writing car reviews much like Clarkson and Top Gear did a decade ago..?? I'm in the UK, can't even buy many of these cars, yet I really enjoy each video.
I'm always endlessly amused by scary torque steer suddenly coming from boost (I miss my 1990 Ford Probe GT). But I'm not the target customer. I'd argue the third row seats are perfect for emergency or child carrying duty. Leave them folded down until you need to carry 6 - it's a reasonable compromise for that occasion.
Hear! Hear! Our Sorento's third row remains folded more than 90% of the time. But when we need to carry 6 or 7 passengers on a local trip and the option is using two vehicles it's a HUGE advantage.
Same with my v6 rav4 2wd. In rainy or cold weather, I don't even bother trying to beat someone off the line to get over a lane because I'll get smoked by a Ford Fiesta, nothing but tire spin with such retarded throttle tip in programming.
@@jeremyb4493 That's why I bought the 4wd version of the V-6 Rav4. It hooks and books. I wish it had a better transmission, the gear spacing between 3->4 is too large and the shift programming is only good for EPA/CAFE. Overall it's a great little car, very versatile, but thirsty, so thirsty. My right foot has nothing to do with that I promise ;)
I love watching your videos,you give a really in depth look at inside and underneath of these vehicles.I was wondering when you were doing one with the Hyundai Sante Fe with the 2.5 turbo.I think this is the one I am most interested in purchasing.Thanks again.
Kia and Hyundai have a habit of giving us nicer exteriors on the Kias and nicer interiors in the Hyandais so since we spend all our time on the inside I have to go with Hyundai. If the Santa Fe interior was in this Kia it would be a home run.
I had a ‘13 Optima Turbo. The first time I ever really put my foot down in that thing was when I was driving in a straight line on the highway. I almost ended up one lane over to the left.
Just bought one in the UK. Korean built for us in right hand drive. All UK models are 4wd and the choice is hybrid petrol and diesel. There are three trim levels in hybrid and only the middle one with diesel and the 8 speed DCT. Mine is a diesel. It has a very high spec but loses the Bose stereo, sunroof, head up display and driver's seat memory. I've changed the Volvo XC90 for it and the Sorento is more roomy in all rows, has more comfortable seats, all the safety systems, almost identical performance, less tyre noise. There's even air con controls in the third row, which is as roomy if not more so than the Volvo due to the second row being able to slide forward more while still providing adequate room. The only annoyance is that with every cold start, the lane keeping assist defaults to 'on'. Even if it is set in the dash to 'warning only' it still defaults to steering wheel tugging mode on cold start. Agree about piano black, but this isn't too bad at all. Maybe on the limit of acceptability? The LED lights on mine are automatic but it lacks cornering lights as are fitted to my CR-V or the less effective ones fitted to the XC90. No sectioned selective dipping areas either, which is no loss. The light output is somewhere between the Xenon on my Honda and the ultra bright ones fitted to the Volvo. Far better stop-start controllability than the Volvo system and equal to Honda in that you can stop while controlling whether the engine stops, depending on how hard you press the brake pedal. You couldn't really do that with the Volvo, so the system tended to be manually disabled after every cold start. I've lost that but replaced it with having to disable the lane keep assist. No issue whatsoever with the 8 speed DCT in mine. No vibration from standstill and very predictable smooth changes however driven.
One thing I would like to see become a standard would be a full length side curtain airbag that extends to the third row. We always talk about how the only thing that will fit back there are small kids...exactly who needs more protection in the event of a side impact even if they are in a car seat or booster seat. Just something to think about.
Yeah used Kia's are the way to go. My buddy got a fully loaded niro a lot lower than a new one with very low miles I think this and used telluride's are going to jump in popularity very quickly
I wouldn't count on excessive depreciation with KIAs any longer. I traded my 2012 Sorento for a new 2018 version almost two years ago. The dealer gave me within $800 of the KBB estimate of for a comparable 2012 Highlander (same top trim, same mileage, and same overall condition.) When I bought the 2012 KIA I saved about $6000 compared to the best offer I received from a Toyota dealer so I saved over $5000 including the trade-in value. The dealer then sold my trade-in in 24 hours for $2000 more than he paid me.
@@stephenhendricks103 That seems like a good dealer. I know the depreciation isn't as bad as it used to be but it's no where near honda or toyota. I think it could be if they keep up what there doing.
@8:50...I wonder what’s the advantage of having the spare under the floor like that rather than in a depression in the floor pan in the hatch area? Around here, that spare tire rim and hardware is rusted to dust in 4 years.
So glad I found your channel. I just bought the 2021 K5 because I wasn’t sure about the Sorento but after watching this I’m really tempted to get this instead😭 but I love how in depth you get about the vehicle. I feel more informed about the car rather than a Kia salesmen pitching it at me for a couple minutes. Lol
Well said in the piano black and please do keep bringing it up! No idea why brands think this is a good idea, it looks so tacky and ages a vehicle so fast, brutal on what overall looks like a great vehicle.
You guys have taken the game to another level. The cinematography, knowledge and the entertainment is just so far beyond everybody else and that includes the hacks that run car shows on TV.
Hyundai, Kia recall more than 591K vehicles for leaks that can cause fires
@@dwadd7528 Ohk. Have no idea why you would tell me this? I don't give a crap about Hyundai or Kia. I will never buy such filth. I am talking about the quality of the content.
Even if he is less objective , Alex on Auto does a good job too .
@@martinmartin5904 The guy just doesn't have presentation skills. His videos feel like RUclips videos, while Savagegeese feels like we're getting a film on the car.
@@martinmartin5904 The other good reviewers are Driving Sports TV and The Straight Pipes.
I work at a piano-black plastic manufacturing facility and hate my job, so I subscribed.
Hi James .... this was a very funny & clever comment. Brought big smile to my face ... much needed right about now. Happy Holidays.
Thanks Bill. I'm just trying to inject a little humor into a Monday. :) Happy Holidays to you as well.
If all of the piano black is ending up on/in cars, what are pianos getting? Plastic wood/aluminum and fake carbon fiber?
LOL. I bet there are more pianos with three pedals than cars these days, so I expect the car-ification of pianos to continue. Either that, or this whole piano black plastic thing is a misguided attempt to bring concert quality sound into automobile cabins.
And he ends all his videos with piano music.
One of many things I enjoy about your reviews is having two points of view and the dialogue that can produce. That's a refreshing improvement over having a single reviewer. When you disagree, that is useful. When you see things differently, that's instructive. Love it.
Agree. Jack is a solid addition to the channel. He couldn't get a word from his His older cohosts
I agree. It’s so much more informative when you get to hear different perspectives instead of having a reviewer just regurgitating mfr marketing spiels.
Damn you guys are such good car reviewers. From watching you guys I'm slowly turning into a much smarter car buyer. Thanks, happy holidays ... and keep up the great work.
They really are good and also make it approachable. Sure it's fun to watch crazy Lambos and stuff, but they bring objective, usable and relevant reviews of cars people can afford, not the stuff most of us have never seen in person, much less will ever drive...
100%. It really describes pros and cons in such simple terms.
I watch tons of dudes reviewing this car, but none of them go deep like Savagegeese, that's why i subscribe to this channel.
Savagegeese means going deep.
That's what SHE said....
Like an old friend who tells you what you need to hear.....
The effort these guys put in these videos, you guys deserve a LOT more subs
Absolutely, no other channels I've seen put that much research into a car for just a review than these guys...
@@gsheverything_2716 There is one, Alex on Autos
I couldn’t agree more.
@@cytrynowy_melon6604 ok thank you
They were below 20k subs last year when I subscribed and the quality was the same. It was bonkers to see a channel with so dialed content with such a small following.
They should be pushing 2mil next year
I enjoy vegan cheeseburgers while wearing a baseball glove and seated at my grand piano, so this interior is for me.
Mark will laugh his ass off when he sees this.
People keep upvoting this comment so it goes to the top!
Man using a urinal 🤣🤣🤣
Okay mom
Enjoy your dusk
10:36 When lane-keep assist is needed to overcome torque-steer.
Kia Sargento... the vehicle Wallace & Gromit will love.
Sounds like a discount cheese brand.
@@moloono1 Wisconsin would agree.
The acceleration at the beginning of every test drive is always my favorite part!
The geese intro is better, just one goose attacking that grass while another stares you down like 'bro come at me bro'
Then go watch the straight pipes
I'm pretty sure it's their favorite part, or at least Jack's favorite part, too.
I really do not mind cheap interior and acceleration.
what I Really dont like about Kia / Hyundai is that their dishonesty.
they lied about fuel consumption.
when KIA Hyundai cars start catching fire on highway. they did nothing until they got sued.
Do not trust this company.
Setting off in...
Ever since I subscribed my in-laws stopped coming over. Thank you SG!
My wife got one, and I was actually very impressed with the interior! Love the car overall, it's very nice.
As someone who not only learned how to drive and someone who has to run maintenance on one of the older ones you need to watch your motor especially once you hit the 75000 mile mark check the oil regularly pass up Mark and always get your filters changed on time
@@jamesbuckner4791 to be fair the older one was completely different car
How has the sore to been after 2years? Reliable?
@@gatorfishin3079 Yep, so far so good! She actually traded it in for another one lol, but this was a Canadian version, different interior among some little changes, and a HUD.too.
Sadly no moose or hockey sounds in the sounds area for relxaing lol
The only RUclips reviewer who goes into the real technical aspects and shows the underneath. You should have more subscribers! Love from the UK
I'm a car enthusiast, SUV hater, and a Kia salesman. That being said, the Sorento impresses me every time I drive it. It's surprisingly quick for an SUV, the seats and adjustability does WONDERS for my bad back, the safety and tech features go above and beyond, and the car just has an overall premium feel. Add the 5 yr 60k bumper-to-bumper and 10 yr 100k powertrain warranty to that mix and this is the #1 SUV I would recommend to all but the filthy rich. I never ever thought I would become a fan of an SUV....
What can I say. Love this channel I agree with alot of the other comments on here describing this channel as one of the best automotive review channels. Simply excellent and quite entertaining. 👍
Love the 80’s style music intro !
Breaking Electric 2020😜
Almost started pop locking😁
Very perceptive review as usual, guys. I own a 2018 top trim (SX-L) Sorento. It was greatly improved over the 2012 version that I traded for it. Each has been a goldilocks vehicle for my family of four (2 adults, a teenage daughter, and a big dog.) Except for a GTI the 2012 version was the only vehicle I've replaced with a later version of the same car in almost 50 years of driving. Some thoughts...
() Interior space. The feeling of a less room up front isn't and more room in the second row aren't just impressions. KIA has re-jiggered interior space in the new generation. For example, my 2018 Sorento has 44.1" of front seat legroom and an extending driver thigh cushion. There is so much first row legroom that with the seat at the back of its track I can barely reach the pedals. (I'm 5'10"). The 2021 model has been reduced to 41.4", identical to the Telluride and comparable to other midsize SUVs. And in the US version the extending thigh cushion has been eliminated. All in all, unless a driver is over 6'6" the reduction shouldn't be a problem. Furthermore, reducing the default legroom in the first row has enabled KIA to increase the legroom in the second row from 39.4" to 41.7", a more generous default space that Mark noticed. And like the Telluride, the second row even has slightly more default legroom than the first row.
The third row of the Sorento is definitely not a generous space. In fact, default legroom has been reduced from 31.7" to 29.7" in the 2021 version. Still, it's the same as the Mazda CX-9 that's almost a foot longer and more than the 27.7" offered by the Toyota Highlander that's a half foot longer. If I needed to transport adults in the third row on a regular basis I'd look for another vehicle. But I suspect that most Sorento owners are like us. We use the third row less than 10% of the time. Otherwise, it remains folded but when we have have the need to chauffeur a gaggle of teenagers or more than 4 or 5 passengers on a local trip and the alternative is taking two vehicles, it's a HUGE convenience. All in all I prefer the third row legroom in my 2018 model but since the second row of the 2021 model can be slid forward and remain for adequate for most passengers there and the seat recline feature in the KIA's third row can be adjusted (a feature not available in my Sorento) it's probably a wash unless one really needs a generous third row. If so, get a Telluride or a minivan.
Of course, at 189" long the Sorento's 3rd row (when deployed) does impede cargo space behind it. But the 12.6 cubic ft in the 2021 model is actually a significant improvement over the 11.1 cf in my Sorento. And come on, Mark, a Miata has trunk space measuring 4.6 cubic ft. Yes, the Sorento's rear cargo space is smaller than competitors that range from half a foot to a foot more in overall length (The 10" longer CX-9 offers a still small 14.4 cubic ft) but to claim it's less than a Miata is laughable. I wouldn't try to cram six passengers AND luggage/gear on a road trip in the Sorento but even larger midsize SUVs are challenged by that scenario. Again, that's a use case ideal for a minivan.
() Engine and Drivetrain. My 2018 Sorento has the same NA V6 as my 2012 version had. It's adequate though a little thirsty but I've been skeptical of small displacement turbo 4 bangers in a two ton plus SUV. A less stressed V6 has always seemed a safer choice in terms of durability and both of my Sorentos have been outstanding in terms of reliability. Have to say, though, that the 2.5L turbo that Hyundai and KIA are offering in a number of vehicles provides some reassurance, especially since it's the base engine in the Genesis GV80 , G80, GV70, KiA's K5 GT, and Sonata N-line as well as the Sorento. the Hyundai/KIA 10 yr/100K warranty the Korean brands offer suggests they have a lot of confidence in the engine. (Automakers don't offer long warranties if they expect to have to redeem them very often.) Furthermore, the 8 speed dual clutch transmission appears to be a big improvement over the previous DCT's from Hyundai/KIA. I'm a DCT fan (I love the dual clutch transmission in my GTI.) All in all, the better performance and improved fuel economy of the new engine/transmission compared to my current Sorento looks to be a significant improvement.
On the other hand I strongly suspect you're correct that combining the turbo4 with FWD is a bad idea for all the reasons cited in the video. While the NA base engine is undoubtedly adequate for a FWD Sorento used primarily in an urban/suburban environment I wouldn't consider adding the turbo4 to a FWD version. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see KIA drop that configuration in future years.
It's no longer news that the Telluride (and its sibling the Palisade) are game changers in terms of midsize 3 row SUVs. They're exceptional vehicles. But if I were shopping I think I'd still take the Sorento over either one for my family's needs and priorities.
Loved your description of the "sounds of nature" soundtrack on the audio. LOL
Before you buy any vehicle, Savagegeese should be your first and last stop to help you make an objective and informed opinion.
Love your automotive reviews. Part mechanic, part engineer, part Consumer Reports, all rolled into one. The consumer is pretty much ready to buy without the test drive and that says a lot! Thanks for all your hard work and at 4K FHD!
I looked everywhere for a decent review of the Sorento and F I N A L L Y found this one. Love it. Not the car - the review. You guys rock.
Great review but I disagree about the third row. It is perfect for people who want it for occasional use. Those occasional times where you need to take or pickup kids and their friends home from the movies or after soccer practice, but want the superior performance and handling vs the Telluride.
I love Mark’s balanced delivery of the pros and cons in the beginning and throughout the review. All you guys rock, keep up the great work.
Those hvac vents were designed by a Star Wars fan.
They are? I don't know what you mean by that. I MUuuust know pls
@@brendentran1 Side profile of a tie fighter
they look like 70's Monte Carlo taillights
Tie fighter viiiiibes
All has been said ... I can just add this : When I want to look into a vehicule, you're the most trusted source of INFORMATION and FEEL. Not just Specs and Wow's ... you actually know cars and drive them, in order to get a much better unbiased evaluation ... Thanks a lot again !
One thing I would like to see during 3rd row reviews is how much leg room there is if you don’t put the middle row all the way back. We have a Highlander and I’ve found the 3rd row is useable if you split the legroom between the 2nd and 3rd row.
That is something you will need to see yourself.
Totally agree. I watched Raiti’s rides review this vehicle. He is 6 ft tall. He had the 2nd row in the standard position and he had way more room than what this depicted.
Alex autos is good for combined legroom, he even posts the competitors so you can see how this stacks up space wise in combined legroom.
This is what i like in a car video. A balanced video of the pros and cons and saying it like it is.
this is the only guy i will watch reviews from... Love the honest review ....
Your production quality is through the roof! Some of the best camera work I've seen on any review channel. Plus, epic music selection. Stay savage Mr. Goose!
Don't take the mechanical review for granted, this level of detail is a gem!
I've been watching car reviews all week and this is hands down the best one I've seen.
As an owner of a 2020 Kia Sportage, I can attest to the quality of Kia’s engineering and design. Especially for the price.
What about the one wheel peel tho hahah.
All jk aside my gf bought a 2020 Tucson and it's pretty great.
Especially their engines that blow up with 70,000 miles. My brother’s Kia Soul and friend’s sorrento both blew their engines
@@OffTheBeatenPath_ All's good as long as they blow up before the 10-year/100,000-mile warranty is up.
@@Dood1es yeah great cars
they can sell at cheap price because they cut corners like crazy.
where most car reviewer dont see it.
I thought I was in a Miami Sound Machine video at the beginning :-). You guys continuing to mess around with expectations makes this one of the most consistently fun channels on RUclips.
Let's get that RUclips algorithm going. Watched every single video on this channel.
Old one's are hella fun ;)
I don’t subscribe to car channels but the straight up honesty from this guys review deserves that subscribe button. Looking at this upgraded sorrento or a telluride in the next year ….
I'm honestly amazed at how you don't have more subscribers/views.
I'm only 20 and have been pulled to your videos with the cinematics, information and attention to detail.
P.S - you remind me a lot of Verbal Kint, a character in the movie 'The Usual Suspects'
P.P.S - I recommend to watch all the way to the end, then watch it again and then watch a youtube video explaining the plot, it's the sort of movie that gives you the pieces and says, 'here, put it together'.
@@mattstone8878 with the movie part or how it's a shame he's not recognized as much 😂?
Your deadpan humor man! Love it. Oh yeah, thanks for the car review too.
i hate the piano black trims because they are so nice and shiny they go reflecting the sun right into my eyes. so I end up taking my hand off the steering wheel to block the glare.
ALMOST as bad as the white dashboard's that Toyota uses on some of their Prius cars.
I cover them in Dorito dust.
I absolutely love the production value. Even if I’m not interested in the car I watch cause I know the review is always top notch.
Good day, Savage. How did the Bose stereo perform? I didn’t see the usual graphic for that. Thank you!
I’m so glad I subscribed to this channel. Knowing when there’s a new video makes my day!
I only watch this channel while dropping deuces. Relaxes me to the point where it’s better than fibre.
Mad respect in the honesty and the amount of work you put in these videos
Now this is how you make a midsize crossover. Great Job Kia !👍
NOPE. KIA engine have more than few fatal flaws. REAL fatal flaw.
@@tocreatee5736 do they still blow up, or has Kia and Hyundai fixed that?
@@gdi1093
they really did not stop blowing up. now their EVs are starting to blow up.
Hyundai, Kia recall more than 591K vehicles for leaks that can cause fires
Sep 4, 2020
Hyundai to recall 77,000 Kona EV over risk of battery fire
Oct 13, 2020
@@tocreatee5736 you sound like your so salty over these two brands. Both of these companies have sold more cars world wide then any other company X10. Those numbers of issues are a drop in the water, and their service they offer when there is a issues is second to none. Get over yourself
@@8bitcrypto887 no, he’s right. I bought a Kia Forte 2012, and the engine was on the verge of blowing up after about 93,000 miles. Kia Canada actually paid to have the Kia dealership install a BRAND NEW ENGINE FREE OF CHARGE. It took about 6 weeks and they even paid for my rental car. The reason it took so long was because there was such a backlog of new engine orders from dealerships since so many of them were blowing up, so it took a month just to fulfill the order. I’m not upset at Kia and I still have that forte with no issues, but the reality is Kia and Hyundai engines have always been ticking time bombs.
Finally, someone doing proper review, rather than just sound like car company's ad script reader.
Subscribed.
SavageGeese and RegularCarReviews on the same day??
It’s starting to feel a lot like Christmas
Thanks to your descriptions of the sounds of nature, my morning bagel and coffee have somehow found their way from my mouth to the screen and the keyboard XD
So glad I'm a subscriber to this channel, best incorporation of humor into car reviews I've ever seen!
I subscribed to SavageGeese and my Beanie Baby collection doubled its value!
Nice review. For those that think they want the Sorento turbo off pavement I suggest you watch the TFL video where they managed to overheat the DCT trying to climb a steep uphill.
Piano Plastic Warrior™ - Hear that manufacturers? He's going to keep bringing it up and shame ya, get it right dammit.
I prefer panels in pure asbestos than piano plastic.
😸👍
It’s so effing stupid to use that piano black plastic crap in a car interior like this. Audi is making the same mistake in their latest vehicles. It doesn’t look very good when pristine, and it sure as hell doesn’t look good with finger prints, dust, scratches, semen smears, etc. Terrible trend that must end! 😤
@@b286guy - Hear! Hear! I think they're just Jerking us around & using up the remaining piano black plastics that they have stocked, all they do is mold and ta-daaaa - your center console smearing begins.
Thankfully the _all things shiney & new_ plastikos trend looks to be heading the way of the Dodo Bird. Can't happen fast enough I say.
@@b286guy We need a global movement to stop this.
Back again - I only started recently and I'm joining in with everyone saying "these guys should have way more subscribers". Awesome video; hilarious and technical (technically hilarious?)!
Kia - Simplicity, reliability, value for money !!! 👌🏆👍
Awsome new design !
I've had the X-line for a few months now. The piano black really is a dust magnet, but manageable. I agree that the front seat is high in the lower position and would've loved it if it was lower by an inch or two. Rest I love, the power train is great, drives great, I don't mind the capacitive buttons at all, never gave me issues, but I don't wear gloves.
“The shudder only happens when you’re first setting off and going 2-3 mph”
Just like how millions of people drive in bumper to bumper traffic for multiple hours per day?
Probably my main reason the DCT is still a no for me. That shuddering and the clutch slipping with slow stop and go traffic over one hour every day would drive me crazy.
@@volatilememory9338 will be an excellent highway cruiser but cvt still wins for inner city driving. I hate cvt but I see why Honda, etc use it. It's why EV will be even better for city driving.
@@blackbeargear8884 I would actually be okay with a reliable CVT over DCT for city driving and stop and go traffic. I think the Corolla with the first gear being physical is actually a nice compromise.
@@volatilememory9338 Yes, that's pretty solid on Toyota.
Love you guys. Your videos provide information in a manner that never talks down their viewers. I always look forward to Mark's pithy comments.. You both have different personalities but seem to balance each other out. When Mark accelerated in the 2 wheel drive model and the steering was less than stable my first thought was "well Mark has finally lost it" Continue to go the extra mile, give us all a smile or two and thank the people behind the scenes that make this all happen.
I came here to watch geese but ended up with car reviews, so i subscribed.
Wow! Glad I watched this to learn about the torque steer issue in the fwd turbo model and how they recommend the awd. Thank you. Very entertaining in a direct, no nonsense way.
I really enjoyed what the atmospheric sounds ACTUALLY sound like.
But the best, is it takes off like a Mazdaspeed3
Savageese is what a Car & Driver RUclips channel would have been like had there been an internet and RUclips back in Car & Diver's best 1970's and 80's years.
The wit, wisdom, sarcasm, coupled with beautiful imagery.
Damn, that intro music!
probably most honest and raw reviewers on youtube
So, are we going to overlook 3:46 ?!
What about it?
@@maxheadroom224 Humping motion starts there :D
Boy you guys are on fire coming out with new videos great early Christmas/Hanukkah/Kwanzaa/some Muslim holiday/bootism/Harry Krishna/Buddhism/some Indian holiday/birthday/atheist/666 gift. Thank u
This looks like what the new Ford Explorer was supposed to look like
Again for 2020, best car review-tuber sound design award. Thanks for doing the thing, you savage.
Amazing that the Sorento's back seat setup is better than the Bentley Bentaga's setup. I really cannot fathom how a 200,000 dollar SUV gets you manual seats with less functionality than a Kia.
Like Manual watch is more expensive rofl...
@@sebastian3004 If it had a watch mechanism I'd believe it but that shit was squeaking too.
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9:30 mark the rear will not drop down for easier luggage storage for some reason in the video. So a feature already not working.
9:40 sqeaky seats, manual. I just don't understand how they have the balls to charge as much as they do.
Really is a bad joke. Then you have folks saying the Lexus LX is a waste when its purpose built, can actually go off road reliably, has automatic seats and an auto matic third row and has a reliable power plant but that's over priced?
I don't understand reviewers. SG at least critiques all cars regardless. The folks that make excuses for Bentley, RR, Aston, are all kinda annoying. Sad part is I like Harry who reviews these cars but my god some of those cars are appalling for the price they charge. Aston is another prime example, charging as much as they do using Mercedes engines, and building heavy boats that ironically enough can be beaten on a track no less by something like a Challenger Hellcat. While both cars were driven cautiously you would think something like an Aston would put a sizeable gap.
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These reviews are absolutely gold
I was wondering about the sounds of nature stuff and then heard “...men using the urinal” which has cured me of ever wanting that feature.
Getting our new AWD Sorento EX tomorrow, very excited! Drove better than everything we tested, be it BMW X5, Lexus RX, mazda, chevy, volvo and 5 others we tested in this size range. Quieter than everything but the Porsche macan (which it matched as far as my crappy phone db meter says), even quieter than the telluride on the interstate.
I totally agree about the third row. We tried to get one without it but any trim above base requires the 3rd row option. Oh well.
Also you're dead on with the $36k sweet spot. We got everything we wanted for $36,00.01. turbo, awd, pano roof, gray Syntex interior, and a few other things.
I realized 2020 is coming to an end, so I did one more terrible thing - I subscribed.
I test drove one of these a few weeks ago...I liked it a lot. Nice video guys. Thanks.
Can you guys ratio me because im not premium and tuff?
Best Car reviewer on RUclips
I spy an LG V series phone. V50 I am guessing with the 5G logo. I have had LG V series phones going all the way back to the V10. I am now using a V60 dual screen.
Dang, I don’t pay attention, I have a LG V20, I had no idea they were up to V50
I really like the V20, so I can only imagine how good a V60 is compared to my “old” phone
@@JustaPersonTryinToHuman365 V20 to V30 was quite a leap. My fiancee uses a V40. I do miss the swappable spare battery though!
@@vasekvi LG phones are fantastic. Rocking a G7 and love it.
I just bought this in the EX trim with AWD today. I traded in my 2020 Equinox and this is a huge upgrade for me. I love how it rides! Like you said, I think KIA and Hyundai have really invested in improving their automobiles. This Sorento has that entry level luxury feel. :)
I liked this review but I must say that I'm surprised that you didn't go into the new engine being dual injection, or the really meaning of a wet clutch.
Yeah normally I like that they go into the more technical stuff so the potential buyers know what there getting into
We had 1.5 days to make this video so we had to cut out a lot. In K5 AWD I will cover it.
@@savagegeese awesome 👌
Great duo review! I hope you both get to review in great detail the hybrid and Plug-in Sorento when it comes out.
"Key differences in overall dimensions. The Sorrento is in 4 dimensions of space and time, but the Telluride is an 11-dimensional hyperspace manifold. Hence the dealer markup."
Intro music is so 80's. I was waiting for a few B-rolls of mall scenes. NICE!
You guys deserve more subscribers. Great intro music!
Seriously. They have to sell harder. The quotes are cute, but a 15 sec pitch every episode a la The Straight Pipes would work really well, I bet
Telling it straight, yet well filmed, very informative and entertaining. Is this channel re-writing car reviews much like Clarkson and Top Gear did a decade ago..?? I'm in the UK, can't even buy many of these cars, yet I really enjoy each video.
I'm always endlessly amused by scary torque steer suddenly coming from boost (I miss my 1990 Ford Probe GT). But I'm not the target customer. I'd argue the third row seats are perfect for emergency or child carrying duty. Leave them folded down until you need to carry 6 - it's a reasonable compromise for that occasion.
Hear! Hear! Our Sorento's third row remains folded more than 90% of the time. But when we need to carry 6 or 7 passengers on a local trip and the option is using two vehicles it's a HUGE advantage.
This is the kind of car review I always looking for!
That was the main problem I had with my V6 Accord Coupe, too much power on the front. It’s fun at first then it gets annoying quickly.
Same with my v6 rav4 2wd. In rainy or cold weather, I don't even bother trying to beat someone off the line to get over a lane because I'll get smoked by a Ford Fiesta, nothing but tire spin with such retarded throttle tip in programming.
@@jeremyb4493 That's why I bought the 4wd version of the V-6 Rav4. It hooks and books. I wish it had a better transmission, the gear spacing between 3->4 is too large and the shift programming is only good for EPA/CAFE. Overall it's a great little car, very versatile, but thirsty, so thirsty. My right foot has nothing to do with that I promise ;)
I love watching your videos,you give a really in depth look at inside and underneath of these vehicles.I was wondering when you were doing one with the Hyundai Sante Fe with the 2.5 turbo.I think this is the one I am most interested in purchasing.Thanks again.
Kia and Hyundai have a habit of giving us nicer exteriors on the Kias and nicer interiors in the Hyandais so since we spend all our time on the inside I have to go with Hyundai.
If the Santa Fe interior was in this Kia it would be a home run.
Reviewing different configurations and recommending the best one is very helpful. Thank you for your review.
I had a ‘13 Optima Turbo. The first time I ever really put my foot down in that thing was when I was driving in a straight line on the highway. I almost ended up one lane over to the left.
Woh
Just bought one in the UK. Korean built for us in right hand drive. All UK models are 4wd and the choice is hybrid petrol and diesel. There are three trim levels in hybrid and only the middle one with diesel and the 8 speed DCT. Mine is a diesel. It has a very high spec but loses the Bose stereo, sunroof, head up display and driver's seat memory. I've changed the Volvo XC90 for it and the Sorento is more roomy in all rows, has more comfortable seats, all the safety systems, almost identical performance, less tyre noise. There's even air con controls in the third row, which is as roomy if not more so than the Volvo due to the second row being able to slide forward more while still providing adequate room.
The only annoyance is that with every cold start, the lane keeping assist defaults to 'on'. Even if it is set in the dash to 'warning only' it still defaults to steering wheel tugging mode on cold start.
Agree about piano black, but this isn't too bad at all. Maybe on the limit of acceptability?
The LED lights on mine are automatic but it lacks cornering lights as are fitted to my CR-V or the less effective ones fitted to the XC90. No sectioned selective dipping areas either, which is no loss. The light output is somewhere between the Xenon on my Honda and the ultra bright ones fitted to the Volvo. Far better stop-start controllability than the Volvo system and equal to Honda in that you can stop while controlling whether the engine stops, depending on how hard you press the brake pedal. You couldn't really do that with the Volvo, so the system tended to be manually disabled after every cold start. I've lost that but replaced it with having to disable the lane keep assist.
No issue whatsoever with the 8 speed DCT in mine. No vibration from standstill and very predictable smooth changes however driven.
I feel like the turbo is for passing on the highway and not stoplight to stoplight drag races.
One thing I would like to see become a standard would be a full length side curtain airbag that extends to the third row. We always talk about how the only thing that will fit back there are small kids...exactly who needs more protection in the event of a side impact even if they are in a car seat or booster seat. Just something to think about.
Kia makes really nice looking vehicles.
The awd will probably be my next vehicle when these depreciate in a few years. Great video keep up the amazing work.
Yeah used Kia's are the way to go. My buddy got a fully loaded niro a lot lower than a new one with very low miles I think this and used telluride's are going to jump in popularity very quickly
I wouldn't count on excessive depreciation with KIAs any longer. I traded my 2012 Sorento for a new 2018 version almost two years ago. The dealer gave me within $800 of the KBB estimate of for a comparable 2012 Highlander (same top trim, same mileage, and same overall condition.) When I bought the 2012 KIA I saved about $6000 compared to the best offer I received from a Toyota dealer so I saved over $5000 including the trade-in value. The dealer then sold my trade-in in 24 hours for $2000 more than he paid me.
@@stephenhendricks103 That seems like a good dealer. I know the depreciation isn't as bad as it used to be but it's no where near honda or toyota. I think it could be if they keep up what there doing.
Pay attention Hyundai/Kia. We watch these videos before buying a car. These guys know what they're talking about.
@8:50...I wonder what’s the advantage of having the spare under the floor like that rather than in a depression in the floor pan in the hatch area? Around here, that spare tire rim and hardware is rusted to dust in 4 years.
Wow, that torque steer is pretty horrendous.
Perfect for a goon-mobile like the Veloster N!
Found your channel a few days ago... Really appreciate your in-depth reviews...
A lot of FWD 4 cylinder turbos spin the tires too easily. I've been for test drives where I almost immediately hated the car for this reason.
Too much tq because turbo.
So glad I found your channel. I just bought the 2021 K5 because I wasn’t sure about the Sorento but after watching this I’m really tempted to get this instead😭 but I love how in depth you get about the vehicle. I feel more informed about the car rather than a Kia salesmen pitching it at me for a couple minutes. Lol
7:49 hello there! :D
Some Fight Club $h1t right there, folks.
Glitch in the matrix.
Well said in the piano black and please do keep bringing it up! No idea why brands think this is a good idea, it looks so tacky and ages a vehicle so fast, brutal on what overall looks like a great vehicle.