Should also mention the gas tank capacities, the Expedition is over 5 gallons more. And they get really close to the same gas mileage, and with many 3rd gen Sequoia owners reporting some really bad numbers so far the Sequoia probably will get you less mpg. So another 100+ miles available to the Expedition. The Sequoia's tanks is too small.
Everyone complains about the rear of the sequoia but the tahoe/yukon/suburban/escalade had a solid axle for generations until they switched to an independent rear suspension in 2021. They were the last to do, and yet people still bought them. At least the shelf of the sequoia can be used to make the load surface flad with the seats folded down.
@drw1926 depends on the application. If you tow and go offroad it is improved because a solid axle is always going to be more durable for towing than an IRS, and the tires won't bow in due to the negative camber when you load it down and wear the insides of the tires out prematurely if you haul on the regular or have a larger family. Also, the solid axle will give lots more articulation. GM kept the solid axle forever, and nobody complained when each new generation came out. They were literally the only large SUVs that had a solid axle. For me, I prefer the solid axle for towing and offroading, plus it doesn't need to be aligned or have the camber adjusted like an IRS. On the plus side, the IRS will ride better and give better 3rd row space and seats that fold into the floor.
Sequoia tow mirror is amazing. Wagoneer, expedition, and Tahoe/suburban don't have them. Many 9000+ trailers/campers really need them. Great job Toyota
Since 1999 my family and I have bought nothing but Lexus, Toyota and Ford. Gx460 and 470, ISF, HS250, RX350.. Sequoia, 2 tacos, matrix, Tundra and BRZ.. 5 MUSTANGS, Explorer, taurus, 3 F150's, 2 F350's and ZERO PROBLEMS WITH ANY OF THEM... Our Fords were just as problem free... I'm just saying... Now correct, outside of the resale value the Lexus/Toyota's were way better outside of the F150's..
My friend has a 23 Expedition. I hate to say it but it is a lemon. It had to have a replacement engine at 9,000 miles. He wants to trade to a Sequoia TRD Pro but says he'll be upside down and the TRD Pro's he found all have markups. I understand that you get what you pay for but you have to be crazy to pay a markup in these shaky times.
Yep, Had explorer and an expedition. Explorer transmission issues after 30k kms, Engine replacement too for the expedition at slightly over 40k kms. Got that repaired/replaced and got rid of it. What a fucking headache.
So unfortunate that lack of storage space on the Sequoia was a deal breaker for me. This is coming from a Suburban. In the end I went with a Ram 2500 Laramie diesel and added a center front seat. So it sits 6 and carries a ridiculous amount of stuff for camping and long hauls. And average highway mpg of 21-22.
Having some experience in both...the build quality is about 10% better on the Toyota. The ride, power, space is much better on long drives on the Expedition. The seats alone were the selling point for me. Super comfy!!!! The non flat cargo area, terrible headroom height in second row and shorter seat height in third row was why we traded in. Sucks when you have 6 adults. The power is somewhat lack luster when towing a camper as well for the rated torque. The Expedition is not perfect but gets better w a 3" level, 35" Falkin AT3's and a few other performance goody's making an excellent trail rated and camping rig for our family. great channel guys, excellent content. Subscribed!!
GM has always dominated this market segment. But they're losing customers due to severe quality issues. Myself included. I had a 2017 fully loaded Yukon Denali. I had it in the shop 6 times in as many months, with multiple issues. It broke my heart as I was a GM guy my whole life. I ended up trading it in on a 2017 Ford F-150 Platinum. I never had an issue with it. I traded that in with 90,000 miles on it on a new Stealth Expedition. I've had it about a year and love it! I did drive a new Tahoe with the 6.2, but liked the Ford better. (although I like the front end design of the Tahoe much better.
Sequoia of course, Storage problem is a problem to some but overblown to most. Its better looking and a better quality car. Also miles ahead in reliability. I've given Ford two chances, I'll never touch that shit again.
I actually think I like the Ford a little bit better, but let's be honest, Ford is not known for their quality, so for long-term ownership I'll take the Yota despite its faults. I think the giant screens are ridiculous, I think GM has figured out how to nicely integrate a screen, the other manufacturers should take notice. I also just can't get past the pricing, who has the money for expensive vehicles like this???
I don’t know about Expeditions, but my last two F150’s have been virtually flawless (with routine maintenance.) A 2013 that I put 160k on and my current 2020 with almost 100k.
@@haroldbeauchamp3770ah, another one of those tax loopholes for the wealthy that shouldn't exist. I'm sure all the bros I see in Raptors and TRXs with Electrical company magnetic logos on the side are DEFINITELY using those for work purposes.
The tahoe was the same way for generations until they switched to an independent rear suspension in 2021, which they were the last to do, and yet people still bought them. At least the shelf of the sequoia can be used to make the load surface flad with the seats folded down. People complain so much but forget that the tahoe/suburban/yukon/escalade all had a solid axle and no flat folding 3rd row until 2021, and they still sold.
The Sequoia is not made for hoarding families, who haul junk everywhere they don’t even use. The Sequoia is intended for people who are organized and know what they need to haul. That’s more than enough room back there for any outdoor activities or trips unless you wanna drag half of your garage junk on the road in your pussy asphalt Tahoe or clunky Yukon.
Dude, @mannygonzalez4178 it's a split rear seat. Fit 6 people and still have one 3rd row folded for whatever u want and r too weak to lift onto the massive roof box...
The sequoia along with tundras have a shudder / vibration problem that Toyota is aware of. Their customers keep asking for a fix but they keep telling them that their vehicle is operating as intended. Toyota reliability and customer service is now crap.
The size of the turbos for both vehicles are a joke. They are the size of a tangerine. Toyota has had problems with their turbos locking up. So, those of you who still have the original Sequoias with the V8, don't trade yours in just for a fancy one. They are not worth it. Same with Ford. Keep your V8. You are not really saving on fuel by getting those v6 twin turbo engines. Your V8 engines will outlast those new engines
Pro suspension is very good, very high performance (billet trd uppers, fox racing, red...), nearly comparable to a raptor and much better than cheap stamped steel load up and kick back expedition suspension. What a missed opportunity by ford to double up on the awe inspiring raptor front independent basically used in the rear. Thats the difference between world champ Loren Healy and Von Gitten... Pro takes my $$ (& portals & 40s)
As far as screens are concerned, I really prefer the landscape, smaller (still very big) Ford screen with additional buttons. The Toyota wins between these two. (For screens)
I thought it would be a easy choice and go with the Toyota. I really wanted the sequioa and love the looks. My plan was buying it till I sat in it and test drove it. I felt, the ford back seat was more comfortable and roomy. Overall seat comfert I felt ford had it. I noticed the ford,I felt had a better ride without the sold rear axle Toyota had. The horsepower and quickness on the ford was unreal!! The expedition has more ground clearance and towing. I didn’t like the idea of the hybrid. I feel more components, comes with more issues to go wrong. With a any new engine and design comes with issues. I know what I will get with the echoboost because I already had one with 100,000 miles on it and no issues. I’m not a hybrid, electric fan! Wished Toyota had the none hybrid choice. Everyone is different but that is my opinion and why I picked the expedition
If you’re choosing between the Ford or the Toyota, I feel you’re absolutely crazy not to go with Toyota. They are known to be the most reliable vehicle on earth. Also, the warranty and service is better at Toyota and my experience.
I agree with the reliability on Toyota. With any new engine and redesigned comes with issues. Reliability will be determined with time. With ford you know what your getting with the echoboost. I owned one already and had no issues with 100,000 miles on it. I guess I’m crazy becuase I went with the expedition. I really wanted the Toyota and love the looks. My plan was buying it till I sat in it and test drove it. I felt, the ford back seat was more comfortable and roomy. Overall seat comfert I felt ford had it. I noticed the ford I felt had a better ride without the sold rear axle Toyota had. The horsepower and quickness on the ford was unreal!! It had more ground clearance, towing. I didn’t like the idea of the hybrid. I feel more components, comes with more issues to go wrong. I’m not a hybrid, electric fan! Wished Toyota had the none hybrid choice.
ILL take the ford exped anyday. the sequoia looks cool but its not user friendly like the 4runner. maybe not the timberline bc of how its spec'ed. some of it is ok but it would be nice if i could change a few things like the huge screen, no sunroof, rear bench instead of capt chairs, no third row, retractable side steps. these features would be more ideal for an offroad build and i could prob do it for cheaper starting with an 2 row sxt.
That Expedition does have a shelf in the back. The bottom cover has an additional hinge to raise it about a foot and is supported by to fold out tabs.
Should also mention the gas tank capacities, the Expedition is over 5 gallons more. And they get really close to the same gas mileage, and with many 3rd gen Sequoia owners reporting some really bad numbers so far the Sequoia probably will get you less mpg. So another 100+ miles available to the Expedition. The Sequoia's tanks is too small.
Everyone complains about the rear of the sequoia but the tahoe/yukon/suburban/escalade had a solid axle for generations until they switched to an independent rear suspension in 2021. They were the last to do, and yet people still bought them. At least the shelf of the sequoia can be used to make the load surface flad with the seats folded down.
I love the Sequoia cargo room, perfect! I’m not a road hoarder, I don’t need a huge garbage bin to carry half of the garage junk.
I think the point is that the previous generation Sequoias had IRS and Toyota did away with it. That is not “new & improved”.
@drw1926 depends on the application. If you tow and go offroad it is improved because a solid axle is always going to be more durable for towing than an IRS, and the tires won't bow in due to the negative camber when you load it down and wear the insides of the tires out prematurely if you haul on the regular or have a larger family. Also, the solid axle will give lots more articulation. GM kept the solid axle forever, and nobody complained when each new generation came out. They were literally the only large SUVs that had a solid axle. For me, I prefer the solid axle for towing and offroading, plus it doesn't need to be aligned or have the camber adjusted like an IRS. On the plus side, the IRS will ride better and give better 3rd row space and seats that fold into the floor.
Sequoia tow mirror is amazing. Wagoneer, expedition, and Tahoe/suburban don't have them. Many 9000+ trailers/campers really need them. Great job Toyota
Since 1999 my family and I have bought nothing but Lexus, Toyota and Ford. Gx460 and 470, ISF, HS250, RX350.. Sequoia, 2 tacos, matrix, Tundra and BRZ.. 5 MUSTANGS, Explorer, taurus, 3 F150's, 2 F350's and ZERO PROBLEMS WITH ANY OF THEM... Our Fords were just as problem free... I'm just saying... Now correct, outside of the resale value the Lexus/Toyota's were way better outside of the F150's..
My friend has a 23 Expedition. I hate to say it but it is a lemon. It had to have a replacement engine at 9,000 miles. He wants to trade to a Sequoia TRD Pro but says he'll be upside down and the TRD Pro's he found all have markups. I understand that you get what you pay for but you have to be crazy to pay a markup in these shaky times.
The Toyota turbo engine is having some major issues with it as well. At this point, it’d probably best wise to wait a few years.
@@haroldbeauchamp3770 its in the 3rd year already. its the same engine as the 22 Tundra
Yep, Had explorer and an expedition. Explorer transmission issues after 30k kms, Engine replacement too for the expedition at slightly over 40k kms. Got that repaired/replaced and got rid of it. What a fucking headache.
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So unfortunate that lack of storage space on the Sequoia was a deal breaker for me. This is coming from a Suburban. In the end I went with a Ram 2500 Laramie diesel and added a center front seat. So it sits 6 and carries a ridiculous amount of stuff for camping and long hauls. And average highway mpg of 21-22.
Having some experience in both...the build quality is about 10% better on the Toyota. The ride, power, space is much better on long drives on the Expedition. The seats alone were the selling point for me. Super comfy!!!! The non flat cargo area, terrible headroom height in second row and shorter seat height in third row was why we traded in. Sucks when you have 6 adults. The power is somewhat lack luster when towing a camper as well for the rated torque. The Expedition is not perfect but gets better w a 3" level, 35" Falkin AT3's and a few other performance goody's making an excellent trail rated and camping rig for our family. great channel guys, excellent content. Subscribed!!
Soooooooo upgrading the ford makes it better????? 🤣 Jesus Christ 🤦♂️
Ford needs a full overhaul of Expedition. GM is eating them alive with Tahoes and Yukons.
GM has always dominated this market segment. But they're losing customers due to severe quality issues. Myself included. I had a 2017 fully loaded Yukon Denali. I had it in the shop 6 times in as many months, with multiple issues. It broke my heart as I was a GM guy my whole life. I ended up trading it in on a 2017 Ford F-150 Platinum. I never had an issue with it. I traded that in with 90,000 miles on it on a new Stealth Expedition. I've had it about a year and love it! I did drive a new Tahoe with the 6.2, but liked the Ford better. (although I like the front end design of the Tahoe much better.
Sequoia of course, Storage problem is a problem to some but overblown to most. Its better looking and a better quality car. Also miles ahead in reliability. I've given Ford two chances, I'll never touch that shit again.
Great video
I actually think I like the Ford a little bit better, but let's be honest, Ford is not known for their quality, so for long-term ownership I'll take the Yota despite its faults. I think the giant screens are ridiculous, I think GM has figured out how to nicely integrate a screen, the other manufacturers should take notice. I also just can't get past the pricing, who has the money for expensive vehicles like this???
I don’t know about Expeditions, but my last two F150’s have been virtually flawless (with routine maintenance.) A 2013 that I put 160k on and my current 2020 with almost 100k.
Many of us use the Section 179 business write off on our taxes. It makes these vehicles much more attractive.
@@haroldbeauchamp3770ah, another one of those tax loopholes for the wealthy that shouldn't exist. I'm sure all the bros I see in Raptors and TRXs with Electrical company magnetic logos on the side are DEFINITELY using those for work purposes.
What’s the point of a digital instrument gauge cluster in Sequoia that is not configurable? 🤷♂️🤦♂️
Who designed the back of that Sequoia? They should be fired for that luggage space. It fails at being a three row SUV with luggage space.
The tahoe was the same way for generations until they switched to an independent rear suspension in 2021, which they were the last to do, and yet people still bought them. At least the shelf of the sequoia can be used to make the load surface flad with the seats folded down. People complain so much but forget that the tahoe/suburban/yukon/escalade all had a solid axle and no flat folding 3rd row until 2021, and they still sold.
The Sequoia is not made for hoarding families, who haul junk everywhere they don’t even use. The Sequoia is intended for people who are organized and know what they need to haul. That’s more than enough room back there for any outdoor activities or trips unless you wanna drag half of your garage junk on the road in your pussy asphalt Tahoe or clunky Yukon.
@@soaringeagle7571lmao. Stop it. It’s not enough room for a family of 6
Dude, @mannygonzalez4178 it's a split rear seat. Fit 6 people and still have one 3rd row folded for whatever u want and r too weak to lift onto the massive roof box...
Those pieces are crazy. 😂
Man, what jacket you are wearing? I want one
$80;000 and try and keep up with everyday items after inflation…..nope
First, I win!
Winner winner!
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Toyota, this is our "off road" version, also Toyota, look we didn't put recovery hooks on it. Toyota, a joke as usual
Or really big balls
The sequoia along with tundras have a shudder / vibration problem that Toyota is aware of. Their customers keep asking for a fix but they keep telling them that their vehicle is operating as intended. Toyota reliability and customer service is now crap.
The size of the turbos for both vehicles are a joke. They are the size of a tangerine. Toyota has had problems with their turbos locking up. So, those of you who still have the original Sequoias with the V8, don't trade yours in just for a fancy one. They are not worth it. Same with Ford. Keep your V8. You are not really saving on fuel by getting those v6 twin turbo engines. Your V8 engines will outlast those new engines
I would get a ford expedition cause I already know ford I better them Toyota
You can also replace the expedition with a v8 when the engine stops working
Toyota vs ford is a joke.. Toyota all day!
The two most useless trims considering the vehicle dimensions.
Pro suspension is very good, very high performance (billet trd uppers, fox racing, red...), nearly comparable to a raptor and much better than cheap stamped steel load up and kick back expedition suspension. What a missed opportunity by ford to double up on the awe inspiring raptor front independent basically used in the rear. Thats the difference between world champ Loren Healy and Von Gitten... Pro takes my $$ (& portals & 40s)
As far as screens are concerned, I really prefer the landscape, smaller (still very big) Ford screen with additional buttons. The Toyota wins between these two. (For screens)
I thought it would be a easy choice and go with the Toyota. I really wanted the sequioa and love the looks. My plan was buying it till I sat in it and test drove it. I felt, the ford back seat was more comfortable and roomy. Overall seat comfert I felt ford had it. I noticed the ford,I felt had a better ride without the sold rear axle Toyota had. The horsepower and quickness on the ford was unreal!! The expedition has more ground clearance and towing. I didn’t like the idea of the hybrid. I feel more components, comes with more issues to go wrong. With a any new engine and design comes with issues. I know what I will get with the echoboost because I already had one with 100,000 miles on it and no issues. I’m not a hybrid, electric fan! Wished Toyota had the none hybrid choice. Everyone is different but that is my opinion and why I picked the expedition
Ill take the Ford Expedition. Toyota quality is crap just like gmc,ram,chevy
If you’re choosing between the Ford or the Toyota, I feel you’re absolutely crazy not to go with Toyota. They are known to be the most reliable vehicle on earth. Also, the warranty and service is better at Toyota and my experience.
Ford expedition is one of the most reliable vehicles out there so normally I'd agree but the expedition has that reliability too
I agree with the reliability on Toyota. With any new engine and redesigned comes with issues. Reliability will be determined with time. With ford you know what your getting with the echoboost. I owned one already and had no issues with 100,000 miles on it. I guess I’m crazy becuase I went with the expedition. I really wanted the Toyota and love the looks. My plan was buying it till I sat in it and test drove it. I felt, the ford back seat was more comfortable and roomy. Overall seat comfert I felt ford had it. I noticed the ford I felt had a better ride without the sold rear axle Toyota had. The horsepower and quickness on the ford was unreal!! It had more ground clearance, towing. I didn’t like the idea of the hybrid. I feel more components, comes with more issues to go wrong. I’m not a hybrid, electric fan! Wished Toyota had the none hybrid choice.
Toyota any day over that Ford POS
ILL take the ford exped anyday. the sequoia looks cool but its not user friendly like the 4runner. maybe not the timberline bc of how its spec'ed. some of it is ok but it would be nice if i could change a few things like the huge screen, no sunroof, rear bench instead of capt chairs, no third row, retractable side steps. these features would be more ideal for an offroad build and i could prob do it for cheaper starting with an 2 row sxt.