My Theory And Analysis of What Happens At The End of "Shadows Amidst Snowstorms" Genshin Impact
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- Опубликовано: 10 дек 2021
- My take on the ending of "Shadows Amidst Snowstorms" event. I hope you enjoy the video :D
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My only issue with this story is Rosaria not being present. She warned you multiple times not to trust the original so take makes me think the 'Subject 2' was actually the original.
I guess we wont find out till Alice is back, looks at Albedo and says "Who are you?"
for some reason the first time i saw the event trailer i thought the stealing of albedos alchemy notes had something to do with rosaria
but that was a wild theory
Same, Rosaria was thought Albedo was sus since day 1. Hope next time this storyline continues she makes a comeback
Also I noticed that Whopperflower Albedo's sentences get longer before fighting him. Meaning that the Flower version can evolve over time.
My guess is the imposter was too perfect. Being able to copy and mimic others without people knowing. Also, being able to crate stuff with limited effort.
Holy shit that will be epic and terrifying at the same time
ALICE APPEARANCE WHENNN
I was waiting for your views on it
Joel's father being revived due to durins blood makes so much sense since we literally saw it in action with that cryo regisvine in the old dragonspine quest.
Leaving the quest at a cliffhanger gave me the thrills of figuring out what actually happened
Now this was a good event mhy
The only scary thing is.. Those who had contact with Durin's blood, never had a good ending. Dvalin became corrupted and became Stormterror.. The Cryo Regisving ressurected by the Festering Desire sword, tried to kill us.. Now Subject 2.. And Joserf.. Oh boy..
@@jakwashere981 woahhhh thats also something i didnt think about. Thanks for pointing it out
After the event ends the first thing im gonna do is play the joels father world quest in my alt ac which is at a very low ar
If it does get some changes , then what?
And if not then does that mean that new players wont ever see joels dad😭?
@@jakwashere981 But remember Durin himself wasn't bad nor was Rhinedottir. She was the one to get corrupted first which then spreaded to her creations, like a virus. You can read the dragonspine spear's description too. That substance or thing which corrupted everyone was here to blame.
@@rajadarshidash1016 True.. for the Corrupted Durin, everything was just a pleasant dream, until Dvalin and Barbatos dealt the fatal blow on him and he began to fall on Dragonspine. It's possible that Durin wasn't really evil, but I could not say the same for Rhinedottir. I believe that like Durin, Albedo is afraid that one day he will not be able to tell the difference between a dream and reality while he's destroying Mondstadt at the orders of Rhinedottir, or under the influence of the corruption.
@@jakwashere981 Rhinedottir was not evil she was a person with a good and kind heart. Otherwise Albedo wouldn't have existed in the first place. Although we can't say for sure but all the Khaenri'ahn people were just victims of a giant play imo.
Albedo and Subject 2, please don’t kill each other! Klee will be happy if she can have another brother 😭
as a traveler main who loves the genshin lore, i just wanna say that I'd gladly accept the existence of both albedos 😭 if both of them wanna live, WHY CANT both of them live cmon i wouldnt toss subject 2 aside like gold did
@@aetherinthestars Both of them living together is nearly impossible to happen imo. After all the bad things Subject 2 has done he's hostile to the Knights of Favonious. They won't let him off the hook easily, especially Eula. Plus we don't know Subject 2's personality, he might be just pure evil.
You're just putting klee in danger if you want that to happen........
@@RogueAssassin1429 hm, his existence doesnt have to be known to the knights tho. catwithbluehat's latest theory is a good place to start-- if the two albedos are already, or were already living subject one's life, it might not be too alien a concept
and if he IS evil, we'll take him down for good (though i would feel a twinge of grief about it, too.). as childe said-- if there's danger, we'll parry it.
True
I want albedo to stay
I think Subject 1 understood perfectly how Subject 2 felt, and offered to let Subject 1 be "Albedo" for a while and learn what it's like to be born, have friends, be human, etc. That's the kind of cold, calculated empathy we've come to expect from him.
Walking my clone to the grocery store so he can experience human interaction
Also, what Albedo in Mondstadt says about being a gardener to me looks like a big reference to the fact that he created subject 3 from a plant, suggesting it's actually subject 2 speaking.
Also, if Albedo in Mondstadt wasn't subject 2, mihoyo would have never put a dialog about the traveler second-guessing it: it's a practical measure to make sure that everybody reading, not only "conspiracy theorists", can second-guess too (the same thing they did when traveler and eula realized that at some point albedo was actually subject 3)
that actually makes sense
Its not stated the the "perfect rose" has the ability to dispose "defective roses", only the gardener can (traveller). However, in the event, real Albedo (subject 1) killed subject 3 and drawing his sword on the cutscene with subject 2. Thus, "I dont think being a gardener is so bad" would mean he could and would accept the duty of killing other fake albedo.
In the Camp, Albedo was conflicted whether creating life was something only gods be prevy to. After talking to the Traveler and pondering on his views, and the fact that he is a LIFE made by Gold. His views on creating life had changed.
That's why he talks about being a Gardener in Mondstat, he already made a decision. Whether it's the wrong decision or not, Albedo is now following the path of his Master Rhinedottir/Gold, being a Gardener.
Now, since Mihoyo practically shouted to the players Albedo will be walking the path of his Master, his fate of potentially destroying Mondstat or even Teyvat has already set it's course.
The gardener bit could’ve been said by either Albedo or primordial Albedo. We don’t have confirmation on this yet. Thus this line could hold various meanings depending on whether or not if Albedo or primordial Albedo said it. Interesting theories though
I’m pretty sure it’s the real Albedo, keep in mind when we encounter subject 2 outside the cave he talks about his distain for humans, a distain the real Albedo does not hold. Yet when we talk to the Albedo in Mondstat he never once brings up his distain for humans, meaning he is most likely the real Albedo
I’d be very interested to see what would happen if and/or when Subject 2 encounters Scaramouche. I could easily see them working together, given the numerous similarities between them.
Lmao imagine the playable Albedo is fake, and the successful Albedo didn't have a birthmark, and the Real Albedo without a birthmark has been replaced or disposed of.
biggest plot twist lmao
even if the real albedo is the one who don't have birthmark, the albedo who we known since days 1 is the one who have birthmark, if that so, i'm definitely gonna support the fake albedo
sus
I can imagine the case of Raiden where people will tell you that it was the puppet, the other will tell you they switch sometimes.
Idk who to trust anymore.
When I came back to Mondstadt and talked to Albedo I got this weird feeling that something is wrong with him again and assumed he's the first Albedo. The first Albedo wants to dispose of the traveller and the original Albedo. The Albedo we all talked to in the end of the event wants to force us to goiing to Dragonspine to get Paimon's sunsettias when Paimon wants it back. He keeps trying to force us to going there, probably because he wants to get rid of the traveller.
Dragonspine is a dangerous place, of course he'd choose that. Many cliffs to fall off from, many caves to get trapped in plus the snow and the cold that could freeze us to death. Not to mention the fatui and the abyss creatures, our enemies. He could use them all as traps with his intelligence(leading the traveller near a fatui camp, setting up a trap near a cliff etc)
Durin's remains made Dragonspine a place much more dangerous and mysterious that it was before
I wonder who'll be next in the "resurrected by Durin" category.
@@silverhawkscape2677 Let me get some ashes from Inazuma real fast...
Even if the real Albedo isn’t comfortable telling the other Knights of Favonius about his origins, he should really let them know that there’s still an imposter on the loose. Subject 2 could potentially cause a lot of chaos if left unchecked.
i think fake albedo is a good guy and the one who ressurected joserf..
Probably knows that the Knights wouldn't be able to do much against alchemy.
Albedo is also very morally grey and may not want the instant elimination of his clone. They wouldn't be co-existing for so long if that's the case.
Not a good idea then. Knights of Favonius loves their clean image of being the protectors of Mondstadt (take Diluc's story quest for example, and also some shit happened to his father). If they learned that Albedo is the brother of Durin (the same dragon who waged war to Mondstadt and cause a large number of casualties) and another person with the same face that may cause some bloodshed... I don't think their face can accept it (even Jean will not be able to stop it because that's how it works there)
Boi cant wait the 'Fall of mondstadt' update and cant wait to cry every single day because of it.
So this is what ı think happened. In the case of Joserf if he woke up in a place he didn't recognize and had non of his belongings nearby and was covered with blood it probably means "someone" found him and brought him someplace else cause we can clearly see his belongings still being there under that cliff he fell. As for why he was "still" covered in blood was probably it wasn't his own. It was probably durin's blood. And as for the "someone" it was probably Susbedo (Subject 2). Maybe he found Joserf dead and brought him to his camp somewhere hidden in dragonspine and resurrected him with durin's blood or if not dead just saved him from dying but when Joserf woke up Susbedo wasn't around so he left his camp and eventually was found by Pallad. When Susbedo returned to his camp Joserf wasn't there so if he had any ideas about experimenting on him also was out of the window at that point. If he did save him because he didn't want to experiment on him this suggests that Susbedo has empathy towards other human beings and that adds a bit of character to him. As for Albedo at mondstadt as you have stated in the video we don't know if Albedo could or would change his appearance. What ı got from that part was that Subject two was mocking the traveler about how he/she can't tell them apart without the diamond mark thus his smugness. Maybe albedo talked with him and came to an agreement where when he spends his time experimenting on dragon spine subject 2 can be Albedo in his absence. Besides Albedo said himself that he still had business in dragonspine at the end of the quest and ı see few ways he managed to race us to mondstadt and changed his mind about the whole "gardener" deal. Maybe said business was him talking with Subject 2 and coming to an agreement. After said business Susbedo makes his way to mondstadt while we are at the camp just outside dragonspine thus catchinng up with us. Idk the idea that we should now consider which albedo we are talking to brings such depth to his quests from now on.
Albedo in the story said that "another Albedo" wanted to kill and replace "original Albedo", and there is a thing that concern me - the last cinematic shows that Albedo unsheathe his sword and goes after "Albedo", who might've been "original Albedo" all along, this logic implies that the Albedo who we've been following is actually "another" one.
there's another comment here by kyo that says the succesful experiment might not have a birthmark so
i think the unsheathing his sword was albedo going to kill whopperbedo
@@ICNHH i think so too
@@ICNHH the whopperbedo was already killed though?
@@zsalt2018 that was before whopperbedo was killed ofc
the cutscene happened before albedo killed whopperbedo
Guess we'll find the real answer to our theories next year🤷♀️ mihoyo be really keepin us on our toes🤣🤦♀️
What if the Fatui were behind Joserf’s revival. Wouldn’t surprise me at all, especially with theories (or Copium) of Signora being resurrected later in the story. Maybe they found his corpse and covered him with Durin’s blood as an experiment
Holy crap, you might've stumbled upon something big. There's plenty of Fatui hanging around the cave of Durin's heart. I'm noting this down, thanks for this! (More copium for me for Signora's return!)
Wait that actually sounds possible since tons of fatui are located around durins remains and near his still beating heart
This theory actually makes sense, tectone would be so happy to even hear about a possible revival for signora.
it makes sense but why would they experiment on just a random corpse tho
This makes even more sense when you consider that offering dragon teeth to durin's heart turns them into vitalized teeth. Vitalized. Durin can bring back to life even gameplay wise. Signora return? Hopium intensifies
Aw, almost everything I said in the previous video was said here! I'm moved.
Though I would mention how Mondstadt Albedo focused on Paimon's "particularly delicious sunsettia", similarly how he reacted to the starsilver incident.
The reason why Albedo’s “Brother” (Subject Two) knows so much about the Traveler is because he’s been watching ever since he’s been resurrected.
Thus why he’s so good at talking to the traveler without some suspicion.
But the 2nd albedo changing his appearances could also be since he was a failed experiement leading us to theorise that the successful subject " Albedo " may not be able to change appearances
But in my opinion the Albedo we consider real should also be able to do it, since he keeps the mark willingly. I think it's probably the real Albedo joking around and messing with the traveler, but I'm basing that on some of his voice lines in the menu and teapot where he has similar intonation (but I listen to the English ones, not the Chinese, so I'm not sure whether he has similar intonation in that variant) while joking about sketching Kaeya or reading the Traveler a bedtime story
@@atriyakoller136 Plot twist : u invited wrong albedo to your teapot. :P
Maybe in the next Albedo rerun, it might come with his story quest act 2, hopefully.
Act 3*
@@Sraye why act 3
according to you and many others susbedo changed his appearance to match that of albedo, so it means he can change his form, now if all he wanted was to experience the joy of being human, couldn't he have just used a random form, or even created a new form and lived his life as a human even tho he isn't actually one?
what i am trying to suggest is that either he already had the same form as albedo, or he was corrupted by durin's blood, and couldn't think straight and instead of being reasonable, he wanted vengeance against the one who had doomed him, although it wasn't albedo's fault that he was disposed, it's easier to blame something like that on someone that is alive, so instead of being happy that he got to live life happily, he wanted to live life as someone else, which led to him trying to replace albedo
Good point. Most likely the corruption brought about by Durin's blood, it seems to magnify negativity or spreads it, as seen in what happened to Dvalin.
Its possible he would be able to have taken anyone's form, but he saw and knew who Albedo was (his sibling), and probably felt jealously for the one subject that won Rhinedottir's favor. To mimic and replace, or surpass him, is probably what he wants. Perhaps to prove to his creator that he wasn't worthless after all. Seeing as we're also dealing with another discarded creation (Scaramouche), its quite possible both stories may end up intertwining in the future. Subject 2 was discarded by Rhinedottir, and Scaramouche was discarded by Ei.
@@Eggmanlover If that plotline develops, I'd be very much stuck to my seat. Damn!
Is strange how Joserf isn't become evil with Durin Blood 🤔🤔
An astute observation. Making a mental note of this. At this point, it's still a theory that it was Durin's blood and not his own, and we haven't seen enough of Joserf yet, so we'll see.
Subject 2 could've just asked albedo to share identities, no one will literally know, but i guess Durin's blood really drive anything crazy
He's already up for vengeance because he got replaced by another perfect being (Albedo) and got eaten up by a giant dragon because of his own master that wanted to killed him. He won't change his mind.
@@alasceusaxarius4062 Ohh yeah, make sense, but i still have alot of questions on both albedo and subject 2.
I very well think it was Subject two in mondstadt nd he purposefully made the traveler see that he can make the star mark disappear and reappear as if saying that the traveler can never find out about the actual subject two and maybe there will be a scenario where traveler wont be able to decide who to eliminate coz both albedo are same
The cave we waited in Act I had a dropped crafting bench and a campfire, watching your theory made me think that camp belonged to Albedo 2nd, and he rescued Joserf and... leave him there 🤔
I remember passing by a campfire with that crafting bence.
Great theory, great. but did you know in Japanese dub, seiyuu Kenji Nojima has done his job very well. by using 2 voices to voice Susbedo and Albedo (Susbedo's voice is sharper, you can easily recognize it) revealed Albedo at the end of act 3 as No.1. Looking forward to your upcoming hypotheticals! Have a nice day
(about Albedo disappearing and reappearing his birth mark, i think he knew the traveler would recognize him with out that mark, the traveler also realized it and said it was a joke , a pretty evil joke)
Man, he's attentive to detail then. I wish the English VA would've done the same thing.
Joking around with the mark, the smug look… This is all you need to know that this is subject 2
Ok I now rescind my thoughts on Joserf being a whopperflower. Your theory makes a lot more sense.
I hope Fakebedo comes back in a potential Albedo story quest 2.
Good on you for being one of the few people who actually talked to Joserf and listened to him talk about the snow foxes. Such a simple obvious detail that many others missed and consequentially incorrectly claimed that he's the fake.
I have this wild, stupid theory that doesnt make sense but i find it interesting.
So in short: Our Albedo has been lying to us
And by that I mean everything.
Ok maybe not every single detail, but most of it is a lie.
I think that he is the failed experiment and the other Albedo is the successful one.
The main reason why i think this is the case is very simple: Rhinedotter is a crazy perfectionist.
Just to mention: all these are just speculations and theories about Rhinedotter, this is simply how i think Rhinedotter is based on some things we know. The only canon thing we know about her personality is that she is a cold woman since Albedo said that in one of his character stories.
Ok lets start: Rhinedotter made countless 'human prototypes' and disposed of them bc they were imperfect or they were unsuccessful.
Our Albedo has that star on his neck, an imperfection. Do you really think that someone like Rhinedotter would be fully satisfied with our Albedo? He may have been a successful human experiment but he still has an imperfection that makes him less of a human, and even if he was perfect, she would probably try to achieve something new, for example: a synthetic human that can age.
Lets continue our talk about Rhinedotter, when Albedo said "dispose" i think that Rhinedotter actually "abandons" her subjects.
In one of Albedo stories we can learn that Rhinedotter threatened Albedo that he would leave him, abandone him if he failed to meet ger expectations.
She also made those wolfs that cause corrosion by accident, meaning that they certainly are not something she wanted and have some things that Rhine doesnt like. But she didnt kill them or anything, she simply let them roam around.
I think that Rhine never really killed her experiments, she just left them alone, left them be on their own.
From one of Albedos stories we also learned that after finding and artifact in a domain, his master Rhine left him and rold him to go find Alice (Klees mother), after he found her, she found him a laboratory and he became a captain of Knights of Favonius.
Rhinedotter abandoned our Albedo like the rest of her experiments, after finding an artifact in a domain. Maybe an artifact that can hell her to make an even more perfect human? Maybe a human that wont have that star shaped mark?
Now that I gave you a little "background" for you to better understand my theory, let me telk you my theory:
Our Albedo is actually successful human experiment i terms of making a human, but a failure in terms "perfect human" because of that mark that IS an imperfection.
After a while Rhine abandoned our Albedo and made her second human, the "fake Albedo" or subject Two. He doesnt have a star shaped mark anywhere on his body hence he is a "perfect human" in Rhinedotters eyes.
When he was talling us his story maybe he was talking about himself in a way?
After coming to mondstat he acted like he was a normal human to see of other peoppe could feel that something is "off" about him. He wanted To understand better what made him imperfect? And to maybe understand what it takes or feels like to be a real, perfect human? Fake it till you make it i guess.
The "fake Albedo", subject Two or in my theory "the perfect synthetic human" was maybe interested in our Albedo and decided to pay him a visit to analyze him.
Orrrrrr our Albedo who was abandoned after being deemed imperfect by Rhinedotter found after some years the "perfect Albedo" and wanted to take his place, so he did? And now the "other Albedo" let him be and is observing him.
Im going to be honest, when Albedo was telling his story and when he named himself "subject one" and the other albedo "subject two" my first thought was "wait wouldn't it be more logical for you to be subject two bc you came second and the fake albedo subject one because he was made before you?"
It sounds dumb but hey this is Mihoyo and they love dropping small things like these some that when we finay get answers and go back to things that were mentioned we realize that it was foreshadowing. I could wrong as hell tho ofc
Now: why is Albedo lying?
I dont really have an answer for this but i can think of some reasons if Albedo is lying about the order in which him and the other Albedo were made. Since the reason why he would lie if he took "other Albedo"s place is very obvious.
1) when do we lie and why? when we want to sound better to other people ans we dont want them to pity us. Maybe Albedo is doing the same thing here. He made it sound like he was a successful experiment.
2) Albedo sees Rhinedotter as his only kin, as his mother, this was mentioned both in this event and his character stories. Lets say that you're mother or someone dear to you that you love very much has abandoned you. Would you accept it or would you try to think of valid reasons why that person would do that? Maybe you would accept it but that isnt the case for everyone. Being in denial is a very normal human reaction and can be a coping mechanism.
So maybe Albedo is denial and is not only lying to us but also to himself
3) Albedo actually doesnt know and is wrong. In this case he wouldnt be lying, he thinks that the "fake albedo" is a "prototype human" but its actually his "younger brother" that Rhine made bc Albedo was not perfect like i mentioned earlier.
Albedo may have said that "humans are defined by their imperfections" but that isnt something Rhinedotter believes in.
I COULD BE WRONG AS HELL AND I PROBABLY AM BUT THIS IS JUST A THEORY OFC.
but eve if THIS specific theory isnt correct and doesn't make sense, i still feel like Albedo is lying about something or isnt tlling us everything.
You made a really good point! I was looking forward to your comments on the event.
Joserf was mad sus and I knew he died ( poor Joel ) but after hearing your insights it seemed really legit!
Thank you for your extremely well explained videos!😁
From the first Dragonspine quest and from Albedo's nature, we know Albedo likes to do experiments and test things out. I have a theory that Albedo was merely running another one of his experiments on us. Mainly since through my play through at the end scene he walks up to the crafting bench, I could clearly see his neck and it had the mark. It was only after Albedo directly address us that the mark disappears merely for a second, long enough for us to notice but not comment not it.
I could argue though that Albedo never really is a smug-type of a person. Yes, he smiled when his cooking skill was complemented, but never his character quite as smug as seen in the last part. To validate more that he's not the real albedo, why tell the traveler and paimon to preserve food with such primitive solutions. We could see him create items through paintings or by alchemical means, yet why did he propose such an inconvenient and impractical solution? Plus, Albedo never really delved into gardening more than that last scene.
@@ruprechtkrauser4337 I think the last scene is a really hard metaphor for fucking eveything that happened but I have no idea how to solve it
@@ruprechtkrauser4337 Albedo has a playful side, and when he knows there's opportunity to act one, he then would. And also, this is not the first time he smug esp when on the Mid-Summer Event. He said he doesn't know why the letter sent him there, in actuality, he knows Alice (Klee's mother) was the mastermind of the letter. WE just know he knows coz of the smug on his face that is exactly the same like he did at the winter event. And Albedo was implying that susbedo was only stuck on him because susbedo thinks Albedo's life was the one he wants the most. Susbedo didn't left the Dragonspine did not know how to act human (although he has flaws because of Durin's corruption) but when he finally knows more (about human and becoming one) and then Susbedo will not covet Albedo's life.
My theory is that Subject Two found Joserf's body, then resurrected him through alchemy and Durin's blood. Not out of kindness or anything, but as an experiment.
Just to add a nugget on how our Albedo probably can't or won't remove his mark is in the story of the glassblower and how the mark is his core.
It was his source so he can't remove it, and at best he has no intention to cause he embraces his imperfection.
I hope “Subject two” can realise as forgiving and kind as humans can be, they can accept him as a brother, friend, knight and so he can live peacefully under the lead of his brother Albedo who no longer needs to bear the burden of having to kill his brother
Excellent work all around. Never knew why people think they killed each other’s in that cutscene where Albedo draws his sword.
It just seems to me like subject two walks away to disappear yet everyone thinks he got down from that mountain and killed the real Albedo. That’s kind of a really long stretch.
Also one thing I noticed wasn’t pointed out here, is how the first Albedo we see at Mondstadt at the beginning of the quest, is subject 2.
You can tell he tried to pass as Albedo by stealing his appearance, but didn’t understand a thing Thimoteus said when he started talking about alchemy. Which is what left subject 2 to travel back to Dragonspine and steal Albedo alchemy notes.
Basically, at no point in that quest did we see Albedo in Mondstadt, that much I’m sure.
5:27 dude can make chairs out of air he can make a mark disappear if he wanted to
Tbh I thought the real Albedo was going to go kill/hunt the first Albedo/subject 2 at the end when he drew out the sword. Anyone else who thought of this at first too?
This video is a masterpiece, but I would like to add something.
During our final conversation “Albedo” mentioned gardener. Only the real one told us about gardener earlier, in his lab. Besides, would this “Albedo at the end” joke about this mark willingly? He and the traveller both know that the mark is the only way to differ the real one from impostor. Would the Susbedo make such a risky move?
P.s. sorry for my bad English 😓
The next time we get Albedo lore is the time we get even more questions 10x the amount we have now.
This video is well done! I enjoyed this interesting information thanks so much!
I’m wondering if you could do the one with the Bantan Sango case file next? I’m definitely sure there’s something deep to it plus I got excited when Shikanoin was briefly mentioned. When the word ‘detective’ is involved I just know we’ll be in for something here hehe.
the albedo in the last scene is sus as heck, but everything is making me more confuse bruhhh
Im glad Joel's father was talked about, that whole part did not sit right with me at all and I thought I was the only one panicking at the thought of, "It's impossible"!
finally you made your views regarding this event! i feel like your theory about joserf was resurrected bc of durin's blood would make sense and it's very interesting to see many theories and speculations regarding which albedo was it in mondstadt :0
Absolutely love your take. Didn't think about the resurrection ability of Durin's blood, that was fascinating although our lack of evidence continues to gnaw at us. I wonder now if Durin will rise again in some other form now that 'resurrection' is on the cards.
I'm still questioning the time when Eula saw 'Albedo' bringing Joel to the edge of Dragonspine, unfortunately we have no other info about it. Also, Albedo said "many years later" before the resurrection took place (for Susbedo), so I'm still suspicious of Joserf's "resurrection" (albeit we didn't have a time frame for his disappearance). At this point, we can be sure he's not a whopperflower, but does that rule out the possibility of him being created by 'dragon blood and alchemy' (from Albedo's dialogue)? And I wonder if this is connected to Joel's encounter with Susbedo.
Anyhow, love the vid!
This is the most logical and easy to understand explanation for the events that happened. Thanks
its too bad that episode of Albedo confronting Subject 2 is blank. Altho, there was a convo about it and implying that Albedo killed Subject 2 during the story telling... because Albedo went by himself, who knows what really went on...
Oh.. There also 2 albedo on Albedo Demo Teaser around 1:40
So.. this story must be prepared long ago
But remember theres a scene where one of the impostor albedos throws joel in danger.... Like that's kinda weird he can throw eula benett or amber but he chose to throw joel like a sacrifice. I think joserf is an impostor i mean pallad of all people the one who does not have any talent of exploring dragonspine find him by "chance" with Bennett's bad luck.. we were repeatedly shown how unlucky was Bennett on the quest so how come his luck helped Pallad like thats weird.
I guess there were multiple subjects of primodial human project cause of the Cinnabar spindle description. I also think that neither Albedo nor the other subjects can change appearances, rather they were all the same, Albedos from the beginning. The only thing that changed appearance was the whopperflower.
Beautiful.
After finishing this quest I came to the crazy conclusion that all the faux Albedos we see and interact are not the subject two, but instead failed experiments done by subject two, the real subject two it is now living in Inazuma, yes Thoma is subject two, all the Albedos we see are just failed replicas that are after Subject One because of his nature.
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wait, but how did you come to the conclusion that Thoma is subject two? I'm genuinely curious
hello @CatWithBlueHat so if you don't mind pls focus on my theory....
so in the cutscene where albedo goes to find subject two he discovers that subject two is taking care of joserf and ressurecting him. Fakebedo then sheaths his sword to kill the real albedo but real albedo drops his sword which stutters the fakebedo then they both talk to each other and things get resolved and they make a treaty like both of them can live with other humans and their is no need to eleminate each other so the real albedo stays in dragonspine researching the Fake albedo enjoys being accompanied by humans and if we think about it no one could have ressurected joserf but albedo and fake albedo. SO this might be the good ending both of them doing what they really wanted to. ALSO the story told by the albedo in dragonspine confirms that fake albedo doesn't want to destroy mondstat but only enjoy their accompany.
Thank you, i also think it's weird for joserf to remember the foxes if he's fake, but his appearance in this quest is too suspicious. It's different if he got frozen or something like Diona's predecessor that we found in Xiangling's quest, so i do think he died and got revived, although i do think Subject Two had a hand of reviving him instead of happening coincidentally.
Also, there is a possibility that Subject Two overheard our story telling contest with Paimon, and decided to joke about it if it really is him that we met in Mondstat. It was as if he wanted to tell Traveler that differentiating him and Real Albedo by his neck mark is no longer reliable.
I agree with you!
Reminds me of the Fallout Vault with all the -deranged- Gary clones.
If I remember. Some folklore said that fox can carry your last wish or last regret before you died. If Joel's dad is accompany with this fox… Jorsef might be an image generate by the fox. But at the second thought, Mondsadt is base in Germany but what I said folklore is talking about Kitsune from Japan aka Inazuma in GI.
A mystery is HOW Durin's blood made its way to Joserf since his location of his apparent demise is nowhere near Durin's heart. Furthermore, during the cutscene where Subject 2 looks down on Albedo, it only shows Albedo (Subject 1) unsheathing his sword to deal with him. It doesn't show what happened exactly to either of them and with this in mind, taking into account how Albedo (sub1) explained to Traveller that his "birthmark" is a valuable symbol to him, its unlikely that he would use it to prank us for the fun of it, even if it was to deceive his 'brother'.
Plus, that Albedo at the end had a smile on his face that didn't sit right with him. Even when sub1 smiled, anyone can tell it was a genuine. honest smile like his time with Eula and the gang at the camp. The smile at the end of the event felt more like a "my plan was a success and they all bought it" type, along with his birthmark being exposed jokingly, its possible that this Albedo is sub2.
Naturally, I could be wrong about everything but this is just my honest opinion. CWBT has presented the facts with great analytical expertise as always and I'm looking forward to the future ending of this story
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I was theorizing this with my friend 2 or 3 days ago and he upload the idea in genshin fandom wiki XD to find someone think the same way is very nice.
I still think this is the real albedo.
He said "I dont think being a gardener is so bad"
Since gardener can distinguish the good rose from bad rose, their duty is to eliminate the bad ones. (He referred traveler as gardener since traveler can distinguish them)
This could be the real albedo implying that he would eliminate other fake albedo (he killed subject 3). He also draw the sword in the cut scene which might point out he's heading toward subject 2.
I SWEAR IF THERES A PART TWO ON THIS EVENT I REALLY WANT A KLEE APPEARANCE OR KLEE ADDED ON THE QUEST
I am pretty interested in your analysis; the Joserf explanation seems quite legit to me, now That I watched your videos! Thanks a lot for making this one!
On an other Note, I was also thinking that WHooper-bedo couldn't make long sentences, but I suddently had doubt when I rewatched the scene where they talk about which way to go to reach the Campsite... His sentence is actually quite longer than his previous sentences... Could it be an info/order that SubjectTwo had told it to memorize?
Taken from Instagram: "Real Albedo let Fakebedo run around as him so people won't bother him and he can stay in Dragonspine painting for all eternity"
I think it's real albedo at mondstadt because albedo finally have true friends with him now
He smiles at when amber says he makes good stuff
and at the end he do Frank at traveler forum just once ( isn't a good friend like to give surprises? )
I think subject 2 saved joel father and we will meet him again
I'm really convinced that the Albedo at Mondstat was the impostor.
Like you said, Albedo is too serious about his career as an alchemist and would never joke about it.
i agree with everything except joserf's "resurrection"
the most distinct difference of the two albedos is their contradicting philosophies about life, subject 1 thinks that having control over life and destiny is arrogance, and puts high respect on life itself, while subject 2 genuinely thinks playing god; or in his words, the "gardener" is not such a bad idea, that's why i think that joserf was not the real joserf but an entirely new creation by subject 2 which i'll ingeniously call subject 4...
if this is the case, i'm pretty sure it's not made of a mutated whopperflower but a different "material" or "creature" since subject2 albedo is regarded as intelligent and capable of adapting and improving his skills
this is quite a stretch, but to explain how he have remnant familiar feelings and memories of the real joserf, maybe fake joserf is made with the animals who ate his corpse i dunno if alchemy can work this way but who knows
My thoughts on the albedo in Mondstadt at the end were he's making the mark disappear and appear again right in front of the traveller on purpose with a smug face to show that the way the traveller used to differentiate between the two isn't gonna work again, kinda mocking the traveller in a way like "seriously, that's the only way you can differentiate us?" and after learning that the mark doesn't mean an imperfection, he learns from his mistake and ensures that he will succeed the next time
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This whole video i was just amazed with the graphics because i play with 0.6 graphic resolution
I strongly believe that the "Albedo" we met in Mond at the end of the story is Subject 2. Real Albedo cannot possibly eliminate the birthmark just as he wishes since it wasn't him who put it on himself and even called it his "flaw/imperfection".
Subject 2 then realized that the birthmark is a vital part of being "Albedo" and flaunted that he can actually copy it to simply mock the traveller, "Now you can't tell who's who *smirk".
I first thought that the Albedo in Mond cannot travel from Dragonspine ahead the traveler since the traveler clearly went off first(thus makes him the fake "Albedo"), but then I realized that Albedo can use his alchemical flowers to teleport himself, just as Kaeya said when Albedo left him and Diluc stuck in an island on the Golden Apple Archipelago.
the smirk was really ominous I can't stop thinking about it for days lmao
Well I think The "Albedo" we saw at the end of the event its subject 2, because the explanation he gives to paimon, I don't think neither feel its something the Albedo we know would say. That scene got me waiting for the truth
Albedo is playing with the Traveller's mind, and with ours too
This whole quest is just that SpiderBedo vs SpiderBedo vs SpiderBedo pointing meme.
I like to think the Albedo in Mondstadt is the real Albedo warning the traveler because when they were exchanging stories, Albedo also mentioned that the gardener is the only one who could tell which is the good specimen. And the Albedo in Mondstadt also said that the Traveler should become a gardener. So Albedo might be giving a secret message to the Traveler.
Or they just decided to live in coexistence. Who knows....
Hi Cat! Loved the video,could u pls share the exact names of the music u used? I love them!
I love how aggressive the Traveler is in the battle scene with the Whopperbedo, hope we get even more fighting scenes were the MC looks dope!
Albedo doesn't have an attachment to his mark nor do he cares about it, it's just that he knows why it's there and he accepts it.
So him pulling a prank with his mark isn't anything serious for him, it's just a fun way to spook the Traveler, especially after the Story Tellings that happened earlier.
Yeah, I would think that it should be Susbedo who cares about the mark, not our Albedo, because Susbedo is salty that he is imperfect. Our Albedo just explained it to us without too much of emotional attachment. And the part in Mondstadt where he said having more in his heart makes things like the birthmark trivial (i.e. Having so many people in his life that he need not care about his status as an artificial human) is rather genuine and warm, unlike the cold smugness of the Susbedo we saw in Act 1.
But the whole quest really had me on edge and having some trust issue, so kudos to the writers.
There's one thing about this theory thats holding it back from being a 99.9% solid based on Albedo story.
The story Albedo tells us about how and there mite be more than just Albedo and "Subject Two" and how a "Subject" find Joseph body, ate him, instead of him being revived by Durin blood and took on his form and what memories that the "real" Joseph held on to before dieing.
Albedo sword descriptions saids as much theres more failed subjects, that, and the fact that very sword is like poison to them. The sword could be from Redd and this is what she wishes from Albedo to save his brothers as in the description. Not kill them but help give them a purpose so that they too can also experience the joy of life.
I very much agree that the last time we see Albedo is not our Albedo but "Subject Two" and maybe the real Albedo worked out a deal with "Subject Two" so he can enjoy living as him without one of them dieing.
This is me guessing but i think Joel's father IS the subject two and the real albeldo knows that. And the real albeldo wants the subject two to appreciate the feeling of brought into this world. Since he believe that subject two can be happy as Joel's father and Joel can be happy too (i still think the real joel's father is dead) he decided to cover up the story of the star shaped mark and tricked as into thinking that is all just a prank (since we know the full story) and eliminate our suspicion on the Joel's father.( Just a guess)
yes i agree
So subject two moved Joserf broken dead body to Durin's Heart cave as an alchemic experiment as a result he resurrected and subject two got interested in Joel
Welp, the next lore of this one will be next year, so I am excited about it
Im still curious why when on his story quest, he asked quite alot of question about our (traveller) existence and body capabilities. And at the end of the story, he says like "When im loosing control, destroy mondstadt, destroy everything. Can i rely you, to stop me?"
So Durin's blood can resurrect anyone and reset their memories... Damn, I wish the Raiden Shogun just stabbed Signora instead of disintegrating her. I really want her to be playable as a cryo character and have a passive that transforms her into a pyro character when her hp goes down to a certain percentage. She could be so useful in domains that need cryo and pyro characters.
interesting take on joserf! at least now we have some hope that it’s actually him lol
I think i hit the "mondstat's albedo" right on the spot, coz that's what i was thinking about all this time. But it's the first time hearing this theory about joel's father. I originally thought that it's another whopperflower curated by subject two. If it was indeed joel's father, i really hoped it really was, coz having a whopperflower, that might kill me, as my dad might be a scary concept irl
The first time I met 'Subject Two' at the entrance to the Thief's cave, I already have suspicion about him when Paimon talks about using the Silver Ore as paint. He make a slighly surprised reaction and seems to deflect the subject by giving us explanation.
Edit: Also, I didn't realize he has no neck mark on him.
Albedo said that subject two want to be a perfect human so he remove the mark
And we traveler can notice the diffrences.plus it will take time for someone like albedo to go down from his camp in dragonspine and go down to mondstat,And we left his camp after talking to him afyer that he still doing some research and then find him looking sus in mondstat!!
I just hope they make another event for this
Timmie's millions of slaughtered pigeons could use that blood
if you try to go back on the very first moment we met Albedo, you can see he has now mark in his neck implying that the very first Albedo we met was the fake Albedo.
Albedo is subject 2 the improved version, subject one was discarded he is the one trying to imitate Albedo.
My theory is that Albedo did met up with Subject 2 but he didnt kill him, Albedo said: "If i were you, i would kill the Traveller and then me" something like that(i dont recall ;w;) which maybe means that Albedo understands Subject 2 emotions and ideals as cuz they were both made by the same person with one goal to their existance so he may decided to spare Subject 2 or maybe never intended to harm in the first place(the one sence where he's looking for Subject 2 with his sword maybe just Albedo in self-defense). As such, Subject 2 did the same as not attacking Albedo aswell. They may have talked things thru and ofc made up. After that "Albedo" asked us to meet up with him after to tell some stories, tho it may be just me thinking stuff but i think that the "Albedo" that told us the story of his birth is actually Subject 2, Subject 2 and Albedo maybe are extremely similar in every way but ofc there're still points where you can still tell them apart. Subject 2's way of talking seems cold and low-key aggressive(sorry i dont know many words so im just using words that i know, they may sound very plain and boring tho ;w;) while our Albedo sounds more epressive, easy-tempered and sometimes jokes a little aswell. So its obvious that the Albedo that we met at Dragonspine was indeed Subject 2, he drew the star symbol on his own neck to deceive Traveller into thinking that he *is* Albedo tho ofc not for ill-intention, he told his story as similar as Albedo's cuz he, Subject 2 himself was also made by Gold in which he was suppose to become a pure Alchemist and a synthetic human aswell, but ofc he resulted as a failed experiment, got discarded and eaten by Durin later to get resurrected from Durin's blood. After what he's been thru, its normal for him to not take his birth story lightly, unlike a certain Albedo that we've met in Mondstadt, who seems rather comfortable to low-key joke about his birth story, does seem like our normal Chief Alchemist dont you think? Also he even tried to prank us by erasing his star mark in a short period, we also have a short flashback of the first time we saw Albedo here and thought that he was in a bad mood, its quite obvious that that was Subject 2 and our Albedo was in Dragonspine the whole time back then, quite irony as the Albedo we talked to at Dragonspine after the event was Subject 2 and the one we met in Mondstadt later was the real one. Also the irony continues as Subject erased his birth mark but then drew one on his neck when we met up with him, the same as Albedo who has the birth mark erased it when in Mondstadt. I headcanon think that Albedo came up with a small prank to trick us and somehow manage to drag Subject 2 into it aswell, in the end we thought that we were only prank by Albedo with the "erase the birth mark" prank but in reality we were prank from the beginning thinking that the man who told his story was our Albedo, seems like we're not gonna be finding out soon(tho we almost did once when Albedo was joking about his mark)
dodoking quest destroys some of this theory stating that Albedo has a playful side . so for him making bad jokes that is his playful. players can garnered lotus heads for the alchemy table to streaming essential oil and desiccant potion.
He said that he and durin power resonate with each other
I wonder if this will hint at a in game character actually dying *coughcoughchilde* and the traveler eventually knows that durin’s blood can resurrect people and will take them there…interesting.
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Honestly, I didn't notice the mark until the story pointed it out, but I was able to tell the "Albedo" met before rescuing Bennet was off, specially in the way they talked.
I have to admit that the fact that the game forces you to have certain opinions (even smaller ones) does irk me a little
I hope you are right about joserf :3
Albedo: Okay, I'll let you live so take care of the things I need to do in Mond so I can chill in Dragonspine
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Was waiting for this just to find out something i might have missed
Edit : i am dissapointed i knew all of it, additionally i thought joserf was saved by subject 2
Calling it now, 3.4 will bring another Dragonspine event (or perhaps Act II of Albedo's story quest?) because the previous events were in 1.2 and 2.3