@@chrisg5219they could at least make the fight scenes good though. It was a lot better in the beginning and then became super basic and slow at the end
I personally believe Alastair is the first demon Lilith turned herself. That’s why he has her eyes. After Alastair, Lilith never turned another demon herself, just left the torturing to him. Which makes him the demon maker, which makes sense when he tells Dean he had such potential.
lore accurate but there is a twist. lillith birthed the princes from her own essence. alastair is the first and only actual demon to be twisted in a very special way by her to suit a purpose. its kind of like the mafia head hiring that one absolutely brutal bodygaurd to do all the heavy work for them. or a more modern screen comparison would be clay burton and kai bowman from banshee. kai is obviously the head of the organization, but kai "saves" burton and thus burton makes it his life's mission to not only protect kai but carry out any intentional orders and also make decisions on his own for the better of the organization.
@@Elite02k agreed. Alastair was created by Lilith in order for him to be her chief torturer and main enforcer. But since he loved hell so much, she never brought him topside unless absolutely necessary
@@Elite02k No. It was never stated what you say. "The Princes of Hell were the first generation of demons created by Lucifer himself after the creation of Lilith. Lucifer created them himself before the sinking of Atlantis."
For Demons they have a kind of in story reason. At 1st the gates of hell were closed, so only the strongest of the strongest Demons could leave hell. At the end of season 2, or whenever they opened the gates, a bunch of Demons who were too weak to escape themselves were able to finally leave hell.
I hated the power creep in this show, when demons were introduced it was all about maneuvering them into a trap to exorcise them, then they got the Knife or the Colt and it was about sneaking in a killing blow before they killed you. Then with angels it was literally "draw this sigil and blast them away because you CANNOT win". Then like 4 seasons later you got regular people knocking demons and angels around like nothing
Well than the show would have ended in season 5 cause theres only so many times you can just exorcise a demon before it's not a fun episode to have anymore. And the showrunners eventually ran out of random mythologies to borrow from.
@@orionar2461 That and the show originaly was suppossed to end with season 5. The writter and creator Krypke wanted to end it with Sam and Dean sealing Michael and Lucifer away in the cage. But because of how succesfull the show was it contiued and Krypke left after his story was told.
My headcanon has always been that Yellow Eyed Demons are what happens when an Angel removes their Grace to become Human & that Human then becomes a Demon. This would be consistent with mythology, in which the Princes of Hell are Fallen, & why some have distinctively Angelic names. Similarly, White Eyed demons are unique in that they were made directly by an Angel, but are otherwise former Humans.
@@kirakira9906 Yeah, considering that fallen angels are anyway bound to lose all their power and turn into humans, it would be wise of Lucifer to turn them demons.
I wonder if Samhain might be a special case because he wasn't originally a human. I think the reason his powers only work on Halloween is because he used to be a tulpa that was imagined to be a demon and thus became one. It would also explain why he can't see well despite being a supernatural entity. If people believed they could hide from him by putting on costumes then by being a tulpa that would make it true.
I partially agree with the heartless white eyes, but I think it’s also because they have official titles. Keeper of contracts and grand torturer. Something there is only one of in existence.
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I get the impression with the line in S1E22 "You think something like that works on something like me"(holy water) maybe early on the writers may have been undecided on what Azazel was. Also In S2E01 the doctor says "you got to have some kind of angel watching over you." (Azazel brought dean back and healed him). In the noncanonically literary works of the bible Azazel is a leader of fallen angels. Also his name ends in "EL" like most angels names. In the later episodes when they learn his name it's always referred to as "Azazel's gang". That seems to suggest he is the leader maybe king of hell because later they refer to lilith as the queen. Thank you for this channel its great.
Well there's unsaid rule that "More powers you have, less weaknesses you will have". Archangels, they pretty much strong angels. But only basic rules works on them. And Cas with the souls of purgatory gets the powers to reality bending, his angel weaknesses disappear. But it is interesting theory from you.
Never watched this whole series i mean the real story of Lilith she was supposed to be the first woman god created in equality to man but she refused to be married to adam and was expelled from the garden
Dean was also a Knight of Hell. He said it himself in 'Fan Fiction'. My theory is that Lilith created Alistair right after she became a white eyed demon. All demons show their eyes at "Christo". Jack used it in S14 against Harper. The show stopped using it because Eric K said was too easy for our protaganists. Remiel got ripped off. He only wanted to fish, and then his home got invaded and Mary stole from him.
By the way, yes. It seems Ramiel was some kind of "repentant demon". The dude wanted nothing more than his dacha and fishing. This is another proof of the theory of the author of this channel that the white-eyed demons have completely lost their humanity, because the yellow-eyed Ramiel not only did not want to rule hell, but even found himself a human hobby.
Actually it got explained how Kane and Dean turned... the Mark was the first Curse, and corrupted them. Probably where Lucifer got the idea how to create Demons from, considering he was the first being that got corrupted, by said Mark.
18:06 its weird that nobody ever tried to find out what spell alastair was using to eject angels from their vessels. This wouldve been really handy to know in later seasons…
The Shaddim are the equivalent of Titans in Greek Lore. The Greek pantheon banished the titans beneath the earth to sleep, they feared them as if they were released all of creation was at stake.
Lilith was confirmed by Kripke to only have Lucifer as her superior in the Hell hierarchy. And the white eyed demons are legitimately the scariest of the demons and all the other basic demons were scared of them. The princes were unique but were weaker than Lilith…at least naturally the grace consumption probably would shift that and Alastair seemed to be on par with the knights maybe slightly higher given the his and Abadon’s reactions to the knife
@@Alrokako if matching angels is the benchmark then both Lilith and Alastair match as they could as well. But Cain was clearly stronger than Alastair given the knife didn’t hurt Cain at all. Lilith never properly demonstrated how strong she was purely for the con she ran on Sam to get him to drink demon blood. The main reason the ranking is so debatable
@@Teddy3230-u4d yeah with diff Cain didn't even consider Castiel a threat. An Lilith got beat by Sam with demon blood I highly doubt that would've worked on Cain.
@@Alrokako remember Lilith let Sam kill her and even while not fighting back Sam still burned all his power just to do that. Sam is not a good measure of Lilith’s abilities. Alastair did not struggle against Cas…in their first fight (while trying to get to Anna) Alastair dominated and in the second Alastair was fresh off of hours of torture. And when Cain showed up was when the angels were vastly deposited via losing their wings. It’s not an open and shut case as there are many factors affecting the outcome. Plus again we don’t have many showings of Lilith showing off her powerful she actually was due to her tricking Sam into thinking he was a legitimate threat
@@Teddy3230-u4d Bruh Sam killed both of them though with just demon blood point is as compared to someone who had the mark of Cain which is basically like a small piece of Amara's power Sorry but I don't think Liliths stronger then Cain
Well thats cuz in the first two seasons demons are treated as something you can only at best deal with, but not kill, thats why the colt was a big deal cuz it could in fact kill them, and even then that was treated as you only got so many shots, then rubys knife was the second wow it can kill demons, and we slowly started shipping away at the danger factor for demons cuz now not only could you only at best deal with them but actually kill them, even in that 3rd season the only other method we knew was that special bomb that ruby brought up and that took special stuff, then the angels could kill them, and that made sense cuz they were portrayed as simply more powerful, and then ok we can now kill them with angel blades, to hey heres another more generic bomb we can make to kill them That why abadon was somewhat threatening in season 8-9 cuz she brought back that whole an unkillable demon vive, but once she was gone that small glimpse went away with her, took something special to kill her but she was now killable
Actually you completely forgot about the 1 other white eyed demon we saw in the show it was lilith, alister, samhain the Halloween episode demon that needed to be specially summoned and was himself being freed one of seals that was broken, i know you brought him up but hes a white eyed demon
Maybe the shedim were Lucy's attempt at creating a demonic counterpart to the Leviathans and he succeeded in such a horrible way that he said "errors have been made" and locked them up, like father like son I guess. As for the white eyed demons I believe you're right about symbolizing an absolute lack of humanity. But to add my own theory I think that they were created to serve some type of "cosmic function" for the pit. Lilith was the last seal, Alystar was probably the guy who invented the idea of hellish torture and was ment to teach the other demons and so on. Maybe there was another ehite eyed demon that was the original cross roads demon before Crowley.
The white eyed demons had the greatest role in releasing Lucifer; while Lilith was obviously the last seal and thus responsible for breaking it, Alastair was responsible for the first seal to be broken (which needed to happen before the others) by convincing a Winchester to shed blood in Hell
@@grydon6422 Yeah, once she got out in S3 Lilith and Alastair have done by themselves what actually the Princes and Knights were suppossed to do together.
I disagree about the white eyed demons. While it's true that they are even crueler than other demons, both Lilith and Alastair show absolute loyalty to Lucifer, similar to Azazel. Lilith even says that they're going to save the world at one point, and sacrifices her own life to free Lucifer. They're definitely messed up even by demon standards, Alastair is implied to be the only person to like hell, but they both demonstrate love and loyalty.
26:29 No, Jesse's father WAS NOT the demon. The demon was inside Jesse's mother, NOT the father. She possessed her while Jesse's mother was pregnant. And if remembering correctly, upon being asked who the boy's father was, Jesse's mother said "I was a virgin."
The demon made her pregnant as you say yourself, she was a virgin so it was unnatural pregnancy. But yes there was no human used by a demon to pregnate her, and that was said in the video too, the video compared her situation to Jack’s case where Lucifer had to actually get down to business to get a spawn
From what i have read, Shedim means either "evil demon" or "foreign gods" depending on where you take the meaning from. In Chaldean mythology "Shedim" are evil deities also known as storm-demons of which there are seven. In Supernatural the shedim aren't exactly classed as demons it is however very clear that even Lucifer fears them which tells me that they are likely older/more powerful than he is, that would be my guess at least.
Crowley does sport those traits and is the king of the crossroads yes (he only became the king of the crossroads after a little bit on that note) But the other crossroads demons and another red eyed demon who jumped from one body to another for fun all had the usual black smoke instead of red, so not all crossroad demons have red smoke and one of them outright constantly shows off that despite having red eyes they are sporting the black smoke look since that demon inhabited one vessel and would then jump out of them and into another to cause some chaos
@@Vix-Xen i dont think when a demon is made king, it changes its species. Like, i dont think that there is a demon species called "king of hell". If a crossroads demon becomes king, its still a crossroads demon, just more powerful. Maybe those demons must be twisted and corrupted in a certain way to be made crossroad demons. And crowley and those black smoke crossroad demons are in a different position in that corruption.
The only thing holding this show back is its budget. Everything else about the show is so masterful but the budget prevents anything really epic from happening
Fr they’ll talk about some really cool monster that you’ve never heard of before and then it’s just some dude. That’s why the first few seasons were so cool because the monsters were actually scary looking.
A few notes, it was said that any demon who heard the word “Cristo” would show its eyes. Second note, my personal theory behind demons is that pretty much all of them have a gimmick or compulsions like Serial killers. The plane crash demon was said to be a class of demons that created specific natural disasters, the Seven Deadly Sins had their names as gimmicks, and small talk between demons shows that, at least those specific ones, had certain fetishes or preferred ways of killing.
Azmodius was given the power of shape shifting not because of him a prince but because of consuming Gabriel’s grace (Gabriel could shapeshift and cause illusions).
Samhain has to be a tulpa. All the specific rules and limitations he has point to it, people think he is a demon so he acts like one. People also don't generally know about the demon eyes being black, so he has those eyes instead.
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If I remember correctly Lilith was stated to be (by Kripke) that she was the highest ranked after Lucifer. My theory was always that after the Princes Of Hell were made, Lilith was given permission to create her own (in a lot of stories she’s said to be the Mother of Demons) so it wouldn’t be far off to explain that she might in fact be able to make demons or that she helped create more demons along side with Lucifer (maybe she even helped him create the Princes) and eventually she made Alistair
My personal headcannon: Chuck created heaven and purgatory, one afterlife for humans and one for monsters. Hell was never part of his plan and only became necessary after Lucifer's betrayal. To that extent, I'd like to believe that Chuck never actually "created" hell, but rather "found" it (kinda like how the Empty is a thing, just an adjacent universe to our own). But when he found hell, the Shaddim were already there. Dark, twisted, powerful and wholly malevolent. Almost like a mistake formed at the dawn of creation, an unintended side effect.
Fun fact, the Acheri in this is actually pretty close to the actual acheri from Indian/Himalayan/Native American (the origins can be a bit confusing on which type of “Indian”) mythology. The acheri was said to be the ghost of a little girl who was murdered, abused to death or some other violent unnatural death. They were depicted as spirits of disease and death, especially those of young children. The acheri took the appearance of a young girl between 7-10, pale sickly sick, emaciated (or skinny), dark or unnatural eyes, and in some versions a skin dress
Your theory about white-eyed demons makes sense. Lilith is known for possessing little girls, torturing their parents, and ultimately killing the entire family. Alastair is the chief torturer in hell. They are both incredibly sadistic. Hell, even Ruby was afraid of these guys, even if she was a double agent. I had my personal theory about Samhain - that he was supposed to become a white-eyed demon, but something went wrong and the poor guy became nearsighted. That's why he has such...gray...eyes. Not white, but no longer black.
Well, my theory about white eyes demons is that, they are so special, because they were chosen to bring apocalypse. Since it was the Alistair who made dean break first seal, and it was Lillith to break the last one by dying from sams hand
Demon Deals are not instant. Some deals require some effort on Hells part if the human wants a really specific item/spell. The demon has to find that item/spell and steal it then take it to the human. If it was instant it would cause catastrophic tears in reality due to there multiple of one thing (if someone asked for THE Colt). It would be like if multiple Michaels met. If one first blade existed and someone asked for another it would tear the fabric of reality and might cause that reality to collapse.
Alistair may have been personally made by Lilith just after the princes of hell were created. That would explain his white eyes and the reason he was so powerful and immune to most demon killing tools. Being made by the most powerful demon likley being instructed by Lucifer on how to do it, possibly at the same time he was making the princes of hell.
I don't think that's true, I mean, they worked with demons but they were their one thing, but the three of them are really pathetic when compared to Death, the oldest and most powerful of them...
2:35 I thought Crowley's smoke was red because he was the king of hell at that time. Crossroads demon makes him have red eyes, and being the King red smoke? Who knows
The Sam Hain episode does explain that he can only come to Earth on specific Halloweens but before he was exorcised(600 years ago) he was around only on Halloweens(but it was every year)
Lilith is stronger than the yellow-eyed demons. Erik Kripke confirmed that Lilith is stronger than Azazel/OG Yellow-Eyes, and i presume that the princes are close in power, except for Asmodeus who is the weakest. This means that Lilith is the strongest or at least 2nd strongest demon, and used to be referred to as the "Alpha Demon," in fandom. The only demon presumably stronger than her is Cain. Cain is special but idk what his power would be like without the Mark. Princes are presumably stronger than Knights and Knights seem to have more restrictions than Princes-except Cain, who is a different kind of animal-yet fewer sources of lethality. Princes can be killed by the Colt, Michael's Lance, Archangels with their bare hands, and other primordial beings, such as God, Darkness, Death, and of course Jack, even before he gets God's power. And yes i know Jack isnt a Primordial being. As Dean says, hes a "Millenial." Haha.
If Cain lacks anything it isnt lethality. Cain has the red smiting which he used to kill like 30 demons at once. And threatened to use on Cas. Then he has the First Blade with which he can kill anything and which grants him even greater amps than he already had from the Mark.
@@jamesdiamond533 could have been an act. She and Ruby played Sam like a fool. Lilith acted like she wanted to kill him the whole time when really she wanted him to kill her. Who knows what else she was lying about or faking? Plus she said Sam was only able to kill her cuz she let him kill her. Maybe the only way to kill her was to kill her like Sam did. Other than that, a very special weapon like the Colt or First Blade would be required. Or an Archangel. Or a Jack.
It’s pretty ironic that Devas in this show are depicted as malevolent demons when in actual Hindu myth, Deva is the masculine term for benevolent gods or heavenly beings that are associated with various aspects of the cosmos/universe (Devi is the female term, btw)
I can only assume that Crowley is red smoke because he sits as the king of hell. It's been way too long since I see the show but maybe the smoke matches the eyes? I remember the pact demons popping into existence when summon and popping out, but I don't remember them going smoke mode.
25:34 No. Lucifer proved that he was the MOST powerful archangel after having subdued Michael in the cage. This is again confirmed to be the case when Dean got the chance to visit the future, at which point he saw Sam as Lucifer being victorious.
Well demons like lilith and alastair werent actually white eyed like other demons were black, yellow or red eyed. They just looked up so that the white in their eyes was showing. Normal/other class demons actually changed their eyes into different colours.. if you look uo, you can get the same effect like lilith 😅
One of the things I wanted in the show and never got was for the showrunners to make the meeting between Alastair and Demon-Dean. I mean Alastair really wanted Dean to lose his humanity and it would be cool to arrange such a meeting (even in the form of a hallucination or dream).
Crowley was the GOAT. Lilith was scary. Azazel was ever looming. I would say he was best portrayed demon over Crowley. Abaddon. She was brutal and her actress was hot.
I always believed that the white eye demons were just regular demons, but they are so old that there power have grow stronger and their eyes change, most of the old demons are just gone, death by the many battles acroomss time against men and angels a like. Of course, Lilith, Alaistair and Samhain would have the only white eye demons alive to the point of the spn show started, i do think Samhain osba white eyed demon, is just he might be slowing turning more powerful as the older he gets. The white eyed demons should be called Ancient Demons. Lilith was able to be stopped by a devil trap for a while, something that the princes are inmune to. The demon knife could have killed Lilith, but it would have had to be a headshot. However it didnt affected Ramiel, which we could assume all the princes are inmune to angel blades and demon knives, maybe only the colt, the first blade, death scythe, the equalizer and Archangel weapons can kill a prince of hell.
Belphegor is very old, he lived when people worshipped rocks and locked underevolved. Yet he was utter fodder. So no, and by that logic Abbadon should have white eyes aswell since shes ancient asf.
@vlad_47 well Abaddon should have not had bmwhiteneyesbbecaise she was enhanced by Cain and also 600 years ago there were still people who worshipped rocks and also demons lie. I'm just assuming, is just my thoughts.
My theory one why Jessie was never mentioned or heard from again was him using his powers to do what Chuck did. Chuck says people can’t see him unless he wants them to see him so I just assumed Jessie, after fucking off to Australia, uses whatever powers he had access to, to just to hide who/what he was if, by chance, anyone did figure out who/what he was it would work like The Silence* in Doctor Who and the minute you stopped interacting with him, he was just wiped from your memory entirely. That way, even if you had figured out who/what he was, by the time you went to tell anyone you just had a severe case of “The Doorway Effect” and forgot entirely. The Silence also have the ability to use their energy to kill you if you were enough of a nuisance to them. Which is another thing Jessie has done several times unconsciously just removing them from existence. The Silence could also bend reality to their will, albeit on a much less supernatural hand waved way. Instead they just plant subliminal messages in peoples minds to manipulate them so things end up turning out the way they want. *For those unfamiliar with Doctor Who’s lore or creatures: The Silence have telepathic powers and can kill with a deadly discharge from their hands. They can also edit themselves from an observer's memory so that the instance you looked away, you have no memory of them or what you were doing when you were looking at them.
They always put together two characters that are supposed to be so strong they can destroy cities and they just end up fist fighting
Budget, it’d be easier animated
Let's be honest here you can't expect too much from a basic budget show.
Let's hope it gets a true anime adaptation in like 10 or 30 years showing some isekai levels of animation
@@chrisg5219they could at least make the fight scenes good though. It was a lot better in the beginning and then became super basic and slow at the end
Always made me wonder about then doing a full movie. Especially for the Apocalypse arc.
I personally believe Alastair is the first demon Lilith turned herself. That’s why he has her eyes. After Alastair, Lilith never turned another demon herself, just left the torturing to him. Which makes him the demon maker, which makes sense when he tells Dean he had such potential.
lore accurate but there is a twist. lillith birthed the princes from her own essence. alastair is the first and only actual demon to be twisted in a very special way by her to suit a purpose. its kind of like the mafia head hiring that one absolutely brutal bodygaurd to do all the heavy work for them. or a more modern screen comparison would be clay burton and kai bowman from banshee. kai is obviously the head of the organization, but kai "saves" burton and thus burton makes it his life's mission to not only protect kai but carry out any intentional orders and also make decisions on his own for the better of the organization.
@@Elite02k agreed. Alastair was created by Lilith in order for him to be her chief torturer and main enforcer. But since he loved hell so much, she never brought him topside unless absolutely necessary
@@Elite02kNo, the 4 Princes were made by Lucifer himself
@kirakira9906 no, Lilith was the only demon hand crafted and tortured by lucifer into a demon. The princes were chosen by lucifer but turned by lilith
@@Elite02k No. It was never stated what you say.
"The Princes of Hell were the first generation of demons created by Lucifer himself after the creation of Lilith. Lucifer created them himself before the sinking of Atlantis."
Yeahh I'm only on Season nine but it's insane how demons changed from "oh fuck" to "not again"
Ya, that's the best way to explain most of the things in the series
The leviathans go through that too. Start as a world ending threat that can only be killed one special way to just being fodder later on.
It's some real DBZ-style power creep.
For Demons they have a kind of in story reason. At 1st the gates of hell were closed, so only the strongest of the strongest Demons could leave hell. At the end of season 2, or whenever they opened the gates, a bunch of Demons who were too weak to escape themselves were able to finally leave hell.
that's literally the show lol
I hated the power creep in this show, when demons were introduced it was all about maneuvering them into a trap to exorcise them, then they got the Knife or the Colt and it was about sneaking in a killing blow before they killed you. Then with angels it was literally "draw this sigil and blast them away because you CANNOT win". Then like 4 seasons later you got regular people knocking demons and angels around like nothing
Yeah, hated that as well.
Well than the show would have ended in season 5 cause theres only so many times you can just exorcise a demon before it's not a fun episode to have anymore. And the showrunners eventually ran out of random mythologies to borrow from.
@@orionar2461 That and the show originaly was suppossed to end with season 5. The writter and creator Krypke wanted to end it with Sam and Dean sealing Michael and Lucifer away in the cage. But because of how succesfull the show was it contiued and Krypke left after his story was told.
Well, what would you expect? Trap the demons everytime? Especially, Telekinesis was basic power even for some black eyed demons.
Yep exactly. I love the show (the earlier seasons are way better but the rest is still fun) but this was just very poor writing
My headcanon has always been that Yellow Eyed Demons are what happens when an Angel removes their Grace to become Human & that Human then becomes a Demon. This would be consistent with mythology, in which the Princes of Hell are Fallen, & why some have distinctively Angelic names.
Similarly, White Eyed demons are unique in that they were made directly by an Angel, but are otherwise former Humans.
I see no evidence to support this in the show, but it is an extremely smart and believable explanation for the eye color and power levels.
@@feathero3Well, Princes of Hell were created by Lucifer himself so it's possible that maybe he took Angels and turned them into the 4 Princes
@@kirakira9906 Yeah, considering that fallen angels are anyway bound to lose all their power and turn into humans, it would be wise of Lucifer to turn them demons.
I wonder if Samhain might be a special case because he wasn't originally a human. I think the reason his powers only work on Halloween is because he used to be a tulpa that was imagined to be a demon and thus became one. It would also explain why he can't see well despite being a supernatural entity. If people believed they could hide from him by putting on costumes then by being a tulpa that would make it true.
No…..
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I like it
@@judgewilson2410 so are you gonna elaborate?
@judgewilson2410 we're still waiting on your explanation for why they're wrong
I partially agree with the heartless white eyes, but I think it’s also because they have official titles. Keeper of contracts and grand torturer. Something there is only one of in existence.
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I get the impression with the line in S1E22 "You think something like that works on something like me"(holy water) maybe early on the writers may have been undecided on what Azazel was. Also In S2E01 the doctor says "you got to have some kind of angel watching over you." (Azazel brought dean back and healed him). In the noncanonically literary works of the bible Azazel is a leader of fallen angels. Also his name ends in "EL" like most angels names. In the later episodes when they learn his name it's always referred to as "Azazel's gang". That seems to suggest he is the leader maybe king of hell because later they refer to lilith as the queen. Thank you for this channel its great.
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Well there's unsaid rule that "More powers you have, less weaknesses you will have". Archangels, they pretty much strong angels. But only basic rules works on them. And Cas with the souls of purgatory gets the powers to reality bending, his angel weaknesses disappear.
But it is interesting theory from you.
But i believe Lilith was turned into a demon by god himself
@@haroldmiller381 Nope. In supernatural, first demons are created by Lucifer, himself
Never watched this whole series i mean the real story of Lilith she was supposed to be the first woman god created in equality to man but she refused to be married to adam and was expelled from the garden
Dean was also a Knight of Hell. He said it himself in 'Fan Fiction'. My theory is that Lilith created Alistair right after she became a white eyed demon. All demons show their eyes at "Christo". Jack used it in S14 against Harper. The show stopped using it because Eric K said was too easy for our protaganists.
Remiel got ripped off. He only wanted to fish, and then his home got invaded and Mary stole from him.
Harper was not a demon. She was a necromancer, bringing back her boyfriend who wished to move away to attend school.
I know that. But he was testing her, since he didn't know.@@MrEnjoivolcom1
By the way, yes. It seems Ramiel was some kind of "repentant demon". The dude wanted nothing more than his dacha and fishing. This is another proof of the theory of the author of this channel that the white-eyed demons have completely lost their humanity, because the yellow-eyed Ramiel not only did not want to rule hell, but even found himself a human hobby.
Actually it got explained how Kane and Dean turned... the Mark was the first Curse, and corrupted them. Probably where Lucifer got the idea how to create Demons from, considering he was the first being that got corrupted, by said Mark.
Wonder what would happen if Luci never got the mark, did luci even have a choice to be good when he had the mark 🤔
Lucifer can't create, only corrupt, that's his whole thing
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kinda ironic (I don't know if I use this word correctly) cause his son can create more angels.
*cain
*cain
Back when demons were actually a threat
You humans are doing a really good job extincting yourselves. Wat to go humans almost in that lake of fire keep going into the lake of fire so close.
18:06 its weird that nobody ever tried to find out what spell alastair was using to eject angels from their vessels. This wouldve been really handy to know in later seasons…
You right. 😊❤
The Shaddim are the equivalent of Titans in Greek Lore. The Greek pantheon banished the titans beneath the earth to sleep, they feared them as if they were released all of creation was at stake.
Lilith was confirmed by Kripke to only have Lucifer as her superior in the Hell hierarchy. And the white eyed demons are legitimately the scariest of the demons and all the other basic demons were scared of them. The princes were unique but were weaker than Lilith…at least naturally the grace consumption probably would shift that and Alastair seemed to be on par with the knights maybe slightly higher given the his and Abadon’s reactions to the knife
I believe Cain was much stronger then Lilith considering he could match angels.
@@Alrokako if matching angels is the benchmark then both Lilith and Alastair match as they could as well. But Cain was clearly stronger than Alastair given the knife didn’t hurt Cain at all. Lilith never properly demonstrated how strong she was purely for the con she ran on Sam to get him to drink demon blood. The main reason the ranking is so debatable
@@Teddy3230-u4d yeah with diff Cain didn't even consider Castiel a threat. An Lilith got beat by Sam with demon blood I highly doubt that would've worked on Cain.
@@Alrokako remember Lilith let Sam kill her and even while not fighting back Sam still burned all his power just to do that. Sam is not a good measure of Lilith’s abilities. Alastair did not struggle against Cas…in their first fight (while trying to get to Anna) Alastair dominated and in the second Alastair was fresh off of hours of torture. And when Cain showed up was when the angels were vastly deposited via losing their wings. It’s not an open and shut case as there are many factors affecting the outcome. Plus again we don’t have many showings of Lilith showing off her powerful she actually was due to her tricking Sam into thinking he was a legitimate threat
@@Teddy3230-u4d Bruh Sam killed both of them though with just demon blood point is as compared to someone who had the mark of Cain which is basically like a small piece of Amara's power Sorry but I don't think Liliths stronger then Cain
Well thats cuz in the first two seasons demons are treated as something you can only at best deal with, but not kill, thats why the colt was a big deal cuz it could in fact kill them, and even then that was treated as you only got so many shots, then rubys knife was the second wow it can kill demons, and we slowly started shipping away at the danger factor for demons cuz now not only could you only at best deal with them but actually kill them, even in that 3rd season the only other method we knew was that special bomb that ruby brought up and that took special stuff, then the angels could kill them, and that made sense cuz they were portrayed as simply more powerful, and then ok we can now kill them with angel blades, to hey heres another more generic bomb we can make to kill them
That why abadon was somewhat threatening in season 8-9 cuz she brought back that whole an unkillable demon vive, but once she was gone that small glimpse went away with her, took something special to kill her but she was now killable
Actually you completely forgot about the 1 other white eyed demon we saw in the show it was lilith, alister, samhain the Halloween episode demon that needed to be specially summoned and was himself being freed one of seals that was broken, i know you brought him up but hes a white eyed demon
Samhain literally has it’s own section in the video, and he is not a white eyed demon like the rest. He was a standalone demon
Crowley was red because he was originally a crossroads demon
Even the other Crossroads demons have a black smoke form.
"Hi, I'm Meg. I'm a demon."
Pride - Makes a dude think he's invincible and tells him to walk in front of a speeding bus.
Maybe the shedim were Lucy's attempt at creating a demonic counterpart to the Leviathans and he succeeded in such a horrible way that he said "errors have been made" and locked them up, like father like son I guess.
As for the white eyed demons I believe you're right about symbolizing an absolute lack of humanity. But to add my own theory I think that they were created to serve some type of "cosmic function" for the pit. Lilith was the last seal, Alystar was probably the guy who invented the idea of hellish torture and was ment to teach the other demons and so on. Maybe there was another ehite eyed demon that was the original cross roads demon before Crowley.
The white eyed demons had the greatest role in releasing Lucifer; while Lilith was obviously the last seal and thus responsible for breaking it, Alastair was responsible for the first seal to be broken (which needed to happen before the others) by convincing a Winchester to shed blood in Hell
@@grydon6422 Yeah, once she got out in S3 Lilith and Alastair have done by themselves what actually the Princes and Knights were suppossed to do together.
I absolutely loved the last guy that played Alistair, he was so good at being creepy and evil, I kinda wish he lasted longer. Great video!
Both actors did exceptionally well. But yeah, the last guy knocked it out of the park.
even the main actors of the show admitted that he stole every scene)))
I disagree about the white eyed demons. While it's true that they are even crueler than other demons, both Lilith and Alastair show absolute loyalty to Lucifer, similar to Azazel. Lilith even says that they're going to save the world at one point, and sacrifices her own life to free Lucifer. They're definitely messed up even by demon standards, Alastair is implied to be the only person to like hell, but they both demonstrate love and loyalty.
22:30 the reason his smoke form looks like this is because this was the FIRST look of a demon in smoke form. It was changed after this.
This my favorite show. I been a weekly by weekly fan since 2005. Also watched every episode more times than i can remember.
26:29 No, Jesse's father WAS NOT the demon. The demon was inside Jesse's mother, NOT the father. She possessed her while Jesse's mother was pregnant. And if remembering correctly, upon being asked who the boy's father was, Jesse's mother said "I was a virgin."
The demon made her pregnant as you say yourself, she was a virgin so it was unnatural pregnancy. But yes there was no human used by a demon to pregnate her, and that was said in the video too, the video compared her situation to Jack’s case where Lucifer had to actually get down to business to get a spawn
I'm loving all of the videos you put out. You should do an in-depth analysis of every season of the show; it will be a banger! 💯💯💯
From what i have read, Shedim means either "evil demon" or "foreign gods" depending on where you take the meaning from. In Chaldean mythology "Shedim" are evil deities also known as storm-demons of which there are seven. In Supernatural the shedim aren't exactly classed as demons it is however very clear that even Lucifer fears them which tells me that they are likely older/more powerful than he is, that would be my guess at least.
Supernatural taught me demons are hotter than angels.
I absolutely love cain Timothy was amazing in the role i would har loved to seen more of him
2:35 crowleys smoke form is red because he is a crossroad demon. Crossroad demons have red eyes and red smoke form.
Crowley does sport those traits and is the king of the crossroads yes (he only became the king of the crossroads after a little bit on that note)
But the other crossroads demons and another red eyed demon who jumped from one body to another for fun all had the usual black smoke instead of red, so not all crossroad demons have red smoke and one of them outright constantly shows off that despite having red eyes they are sporting the black smoke look since that demon inhabited one vessel and would then jump out of them and into another to cause some chaos
@@Vix-Xen i dont think when a demon is made king, it changes its species. Like, i dont think that there is a demon species called "king of hell". If a crossroads demon becomes king, its still a crossroads demon, just more powerful. Maybe those demons must be twisted and corrupted in a certain way to be made crossroad demons. And crowley and those black smoke crossroad demons are in a different position in that corruption.
@@youryoutubeyoda oh I didn’t mean to imply anything about being made “king” of anything changing Crowley at all, I just meant to mention it was all
Crowley just got stronger after all the souls he ate. He mutated and became a red demon.
Do you think if Sam kept his "special child" powers over the seasons he could have just no diffed Crowley, Abadon and the princes of hell himself?
Of course, lol
Yeah but he would have no diffed Dean and Bobby then along the way.
The only thing holding this show back is its budget. Everything else about the show is so masterful but the budget prevents anything really epic from happening
Fr they’ll talk about some really cool monster that you’ve never heard of before and then it’s just some dude. That’s why the first few seasons were so cool because the monsters were actually scary looking.
So true
Crowley getting his own video is very deserving
I just found your channel by accident. I gotta say after watching this video and the one on angel types, color me Subbed! Great work
I always thought the red smoke was for crossroad demons
My favorite show. Have a pretty good book about all the SPN monitors. Great video
the reason his smoke was red was because of his status in hell
A few notes, it was said that any demon who heard the word “Cristo” would show its eyes.
Second note, my personal theory behind demons is that pretty much all of them have a gimmick or compulsions like Serial killers. The plane crash demon was said to be a class of demons that created specific natural disasters, the Seven Deadly Sins had their names as gimmicks, and small talk between demons shows that, at least those specific ones, had certain fetishes or preferred ways of killing.
Every time he says “black eyes” I look around 😂iykyk
Demon deals are powered by the soul of the person making the deal, was said in at least one episode that I can recall.
Hell, I'm gonna like the video early just to shout out the usage of defenestrated.
Also I wish we got to see more of the red smoke from Crowley.
Azmodius was given the power of shape shifting not because of him a prince but because of consuming Gabriel’s grace (Gabriel could shapeshift and cause illusions).
I don't think the writers early on, knew what they wanted to do.
The three Demons I consider my favorites in this show are Azazel, Ruby, and Belphegor.
He might not have been around long but belphegor was great
Officially subscribed. Great job.
Demons. We all got em, Sherrif. Adultery, drink.
the worst thing they did was not going back to just monster based threats after season 5, you dont always need to go bigger
The shedim species should have been delved into more, supernatural really missed that windowed opportunity
Samhain has to be a tulpa.
All the specific rules and limitations he has point to it, people think he is a demon so he acts like one.
People also don't generally know about the demon eyes being black, so he has those eyes instead.
I enjoyed the video. Thanks for breaking it down explaining it full, it answered some of my questions. It would be nice to have chapters and/or descriptions. I have subbed.
Defenestration ❤
Instantly subscribed
If I remember correctly Lilith was stated to be (by Kripke) that she was the highest ranked after Lucifer. My theory was always that after the Princes Of Hell were made, Lilith was given permission to create her own (in a lot of stories she’s said to be the Mother of Demons) so it wouldn’t be far off to explain that she might in fact be able to make demons or that she helped create more demons along side with Lucifer (maybe she even helped him create the Princes) and eventually she made Alistair
That's also my theory!
My personal headcannon:
Chuck created heaven and purgatory, one afterlife for humans and one for monsters. Hell was never part of his plan and only became necessary after Lucifer's betrayal.
To that extent, I'd like to believe that Chuck never actually "created" hell, but rather "found" it (kinda like how the Empty is a thing, just an adjacent universe to our own).
But when he found hell, the Shaddim were already there. Dark, twisted, powerful and wholly malevolent. Almost like a mistake formed at the dawn of creation, an unintended side effect.
I've researched exact topic myself many times, but the wiki is a nigtmare to navigate. So looking forward to this being easy to rewatch🙏
You're my new favorite channel. Great video, keep up the quality work!
Fun fact, the Acheri in this is actually pretty close to the actual acheri from Indian/Himalayan/Native American (the origins can be a bit confusing on which type of “Indian”) mythology. The acheri was said to be the ghost of a little girl who was murdered, abused to death or some other violent unnatural death. They were depicted as spirits of disease and death, especially those of young children. The acheri took the appearance of a young girl between 7-10, pale sickly sick, emaciated (or skinny), dark or unnatural eyes, and in some versions a skin dress
to bad demons just became a gag
Dagon was the strongest Prince.
Alistair kinda just showed up and helped ran a hotel with lucifers daughter
Your theory about white-eyed demons makes sense. Lilith is known for possessing little girls, torturing their parents, and ultimately killing the entire family. Alastair is the chief torturer in hell. They are both incredibly sadistic. Hell, even Ruby was afraid of these guys, even if she was a double agent.
I had my personal theory about Samhain - that he was supposed to become a white-eyed demon, but something went wrong and the poor guy became nearsighted. That's why he has such...gray...eyes. Not white, but no longer black.
The plane crasher reminds me of that woman screaming on the plane that the demon crasher was like n the plane
Forgot how much better than earlier seasons were than the later ones 😂😂
Well, my theory about white eyes demons is that, they are so special, because they were chosen to bring apocalypse. Since it was the Alistair who made dean break first seal, and it was Lillith to break the last one by dying from sams hand
Demon Deals are not instant. Some deals require some effort on Hells part if the human wants a really specific item/spell. The demon has to find that item/spell and steal it then take it to the human. If it was instant it would cause catastrophic tears in reality due to there multiple of one thing (if someone asked for THE Colt). It would be like if multiple Michaels met. If one first blade existed and someone asked for another it would tear the fabric of reality and might cause that reality to collapse.
Alistair may have been personally made by Lilith just after the princes of hell were created. That would explain his white eyes and the reason he was so powerful and immune to most demon killing tools. Being made by the most powerful demon likley being instructed by Lucifer on how to do it, possibly at the same time he was making the princes of hell.
This show was my entire childhood 😂😂
Alistair broke dean, he could have gotten his white eyes from breaking the first seal
Bro I think this is where 50% of Hazbin Hotel Alastor theories come from.
Thanks, great video as well as editing
the reason why crowley's smoke is red is because he is a crossroad demon.
I wish they gave different eyes to Cain, Dean and the other knights.
You forgot to add three of the four horsemen. All but death were actual demons.
I don't think that's true, I mean, they worked with demons but they were their one thing, but the three of them are really pathetic when compared to Death, the oldest and most powerful of them...
Defenestrated used in a legitimate sentence is inspiring.
2:35 I thought Crowley's smoke was red because he was the king of hell at that time. Crossroads demon makes him have red eyes, and being the King red smoke? Who knows
“We don’t see anything like that from the whites” 🤔…. Nah to easy😅😅
The Sam Hain episode does explain that he can only come to Earth on specific Halloweens but before he was exorcised(600 years ago) he was around only on Halloweens(but it was every year)
Lilith is stronger than the yellow-eyed demons. Erik Kripke confirmed that Lilith is stronger than Azazel/OG Yellow-Eyes, and i presume that the princes are close in power, except for Asmodeus who is the weakest. This means that Lilith is the strongest or at least 2nd strongest demon, and used to be referred to as the "Alpha Demon," in fandom. The only demon presumably stronger than her is Cain. Cain is special but idk what his power would be like without the Mark. Princes are presumably stronger than Knights and Knights seem to have more restrictions than Princes-except Cain, who is a different kind of animal-yet fewer sources of lethality. Princes can be killed by the Colt, Michael's Lance, Archangels with their bare hands, and other primordial beings, such as God, Darkness, Death, and of course Jack, even before he gets God's power. And yes i know Jack isnt a Primordial being. As Dean says, hes a "Millenial." Haha.
If Cain lacks anything it isnt lethality. Cain has the red smiting which he used to kill like 30 demons at once.
And threatened to use on Cas.
Then he has the First Blade with which he can kill anything and which grants him even greater amps than he already had from the Mark.
I don’t understand how Lillith is stronger when she could’ve been killed by Ruby’s knife
@@jamesdiamond533 we don't know that. We never saw it used on her.
@@blakedevitt6948 I mean she was scared of it
@@jamesdiamond533 could have been an act. She and Ruby played Sam like a fool. Lilith acted like she wanted to kill him the whole time when really she wanted him to kill her. Who knows what else she was lying about or faking? Plus she said Sam was only able to kill her cuz she let him kill her. Maybe the only way to kill her was to kill her like Sam did. Other than that, a very special weapon like the Colt or First Blade would be required. Or an Archangel. Or a Jack.
Had to subscribe when you said my favorite word, defenestrated 🎉
17:29 - That kid terrifies me to my core.
Thought Cain wacked bro upside the head with a rock…
It’s pretty ironic that Devas in this show are depicted as malevolent demons when in actual Hindu myth, Deva is the masculine term for benevolent gods or heavenly beings that are associated with various aspects of the cosmos/universe (Devi is the female term, btw)
I’m sure it’s been stated, but there’s at least 3 white eyed demons. The one that’s in “It’s The Great Pumpkin, Sam Winchester.
Let’s get bro to 10,000 subs!!!
I can only assume that Crowley is red smoke because he sits as the king of hell. It's been way too long since I see the show but maybe the smoke matches the eyes? I remember the pact demons popping into existence when summon and popping out, but I don't remember them going smoke mode.
We need this Crowley solo video
i wish jessie came back and him and jack interacted
A little animal? It was the jaw bone of a donkey😂
Your back!!!
Jesse was raised on X-men so he has a strong moral compass
25:34 No. Lucifer proved that he was the MOST powerful archangel after having subdued Michael in the cage. This is again confirmed to be the case when Dean got the chance to visit the future, at which point he saw Sam as Lucifer being victorious.
Well demons like lilith and alastair werent actually white eyed like other demons were black, yellow or red eyed. They just looked up so that the white in their eyes was showing. Normal/other class demons actually changed their eyes into different colours.. if you look uo, you can get the same effect like lilith 😅
One of the things I wanted in the show and never got was for the showrunners to make the meeting between Alastair and Demon-Dean. I mean Alastair really wanted Dean to lose his humanity and it would be cool to arrange such a meeting (even in the form of a hallucination or dream).
yo! even if im scared of alastair, i'll definitely watch their "reunion"
The more good/human a person is, the more evil/demonic they become after becoming a demon
Crowley was the GOAT. Lilith was scary. Azazel was ever looming. I would say he was best portrayed demon over Crowley. Abaddon. She was brutal and her actress was hot.
Supernatural season 4 episode 7 the demand of Halloween possesses white eyes
It’s a shame we never got more Knights. Abaddon was really awesome.
Jacks eyes looked exactly like werewolf eyes in teen wolf
I always believed that the white eye demons were just regular demons, but they are so old that there power have grow stronger and their eyes change, most of the old demons are just gone, death by the many battles acroomss time against men and angels a like. Of course, Lilith, Alaistair and Samhain would have the only white eye demons alive to the point of the spn show started, i do think Samhain osba white eyed demon, is just he might be slowing turning more powerful as the older he gets. The white eyed demons should be called Ancient Demons. Lilith was able to be stopped by a devil trap for a while, something that the princes are inmune to. The demon knife could have killed Lilith, but it would have had to be a headshot. However it didnt affected Ramiel, which we could assume all the princes are inmune to angel blades and demon knives, maybe only the colt, the first blade, death scythe, the equalizer and Archangel weapons can kill a prince of hell.
Belphegor is very old, he lived when people worshipped rocks and locked underevolved.
Yet he was utter fodder. So no, and by that logic Abbadon should have white eyes aswell since shes ancient asf.
@vlad_47 well Abaddon should have not had bmwhiteneyesbbecaise she was enhanced by Cain and also 600 years ago there were still people who worshipped rocks and also demons lie. I'm just assuming, is just my thoughts.
My theory one why Jessie was never mentioned or heard from again was him using his powers to do what Chuck did. Chuck says people can’t see him unless he wants them to see him so I just assumed Jessie, after fucking off to Australia, uses whatever powers he had access to, to just to hide who/what he was if, by chance, anyone did figure out who/what he was it would work like The Silence* in Doctor Who and the minute you stopped interacting with him, he was just wiped from your memory entirely. That way, even if you had figured out who/what he was, by the time you went to tell anyone you just had a severe case of “The Doorway Effect” and forgot entirely.
The Silence also have the ability to use their energy to kill you if you were enough of a nuisance to them. Which is another thing Jessie has done several times unconsciously just removing them from existence.
The Silence could also bend reality to their will, albeit on a much less supernatural hand waved way. Instead they just plant subliminal messages in peoples minds to manipulate them so things end up turning out the way they want.
*For those unfamiliar with Doctor Who’s lore or creatures: The Silence have telepathic powers and can kill with a deadly discharge from their hands. They can also edit themselves from an observer's memory so that the instance you looked away, you have no memory of them or what you were doing when you were looking at them.
he forgot the horseman