1 Hour 36 Minutes with Death Metal Producer Scott Burns | INTO THE DARKNESS Interview Series
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- Опубликовано: 21 авг 2024
- Death Metal Producer pioneer SCOTT BURNS (Morrisound) joins Reaper and Thomas INTO THE DARKNESS..
In this Episode Scott opens up about the early days and what it was like to work with now seminal bands such as Deicide, Napalm Death, Sepultura, Obituary, Cynic, the list goes on. He also breaks down some techniques used back then that eventually altered Death Metal / Metal production forever. We discuss Euronymous and Deathlike Silence's disdain for the 'Morrisound sound' and the entrance of the Black Metal revolution. Nothing is off the table here and it was a true honor to talk to such a true innovator and supporter of the music we hold dear.. Enjoy!
Chapters:
(2:00) - How does Scott Burns feel about being ingrained in the Classic Death Metal Scene?
(8:00) - Glen Benton, Deicide, Bloody Virgins, and Pig’s Blood
(11:50) - From Small Budgets to Producer Points
(16:28) - Were bands prepared for the studio in those days?
(19:50) - Audio Nerdery Alert - Innovation of triggered samples
(40:42) - ..On Drummers
(44:40) - Beneath the Remains
(50:15) The Morrisound Sound
(54:14) Deathlike Silence - No Fun, No Core, No Mosh, No Trends, No Scott?!
(1:00:16) Mick Harris & Napalm Death
(1:07:10) Questions from YOU - the Fans… Starting with Deicide - Legion
(1:16:21) Albums that stand out to Scott..
(1:24:00) Is the first album from a band always best?
(1:26:50) Will we be seeing a Scott Burns Audio Suite anytime soon? (VST Plug-ins)
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Ever, he is great ! Regads.
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Back then: Scott Burns/Morrisound
Now: Erik Rutan/Mana Recording
half my death metal collection is scott burns produced stuff
...and probably Dan Seagraves album art as well.
For sure
Scott is, in my opinion, the first rockstar producer in the underground music scene. I don’t remember my previous generation talking about producers or the relevance they had crafting our favorite albums.
After getting Butchered At Birth and Legion as a teenager, when looking for new music seeing Scott Burns name mean it was probably great.
Burns told Cannibal Corpse to kiss his fucking ass and “mix their OWN goddamned record” one day when he was stressing out and the Cannibal guys (super young , green, overly enthusiastic, and asking too many questions in their loud Buffalo accents) put him over the edge!!! (LMFAO!!! Hope you read this , Scott, that part of the CC documentary still puts me on the floor!!!) Seriously, thank you for being where you were when you were and bringing us all those classic albums, sir, I salute you🤘🏻✌🏻👍🏻🏁🔥
Burns really, really defined the 90s death metal scene in America. Legendary
An insanely influential man in the world of metal. He single handedly translated the awful mud of past mixes into a sound that destroys in the best way 🤘🏼
That's why we hired him. We wanted that sound. We were Death Threat. We are also in the book
@@mikereseigh that’s fucking sick. i always wanted a long term band and i thought i had one for a bit, but it didn’t work out. i’ve been in 5 bands now at 18 and i have yet to find a group skilled and passionate enough to attend the weekly practices, write, and gig around with me long term.
42:00 you can hear in his voice that he loved Sean! What a wonderful and caring person…. Goes to show you why these bands loved Scott!
The list of bands scott has worked with is damn near endless. Mans a legend of the metal world
AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME INTERVIEW !!!!!!!!!!!! Respect to Scott !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah back in the 90s every tape i bought back then i always would look at the producer and label credits fla. metal i always looked for Scott Burns
You could tell how hard Sean's death affected Scott, it is an absolute shock and a loss to the world of a world class musician. He is our Neil Peart. Had no idea Mike Smith went by Smittie, that is hysterical, it's great you guys were able to get Scott, last thing he was in was Cannibal's Centuries of torment.
And both drummers we lost close in time. It was awesome to get Scott on hopefully we can do more names that aren’t always given a moment to speak
You can also hear the pain when he discusses his regrets (Exhorder, Napalm). This man defined the sound of a genre of music for a decade, then packed it in and created a career for himself in a completely different world. Man is a genius and a gentleman.
@@corycourtney8923 I hate the revisionism towards his production, the push of the ideology of black metal, especially the no mosh no core no fun no trend mindset. I love both black and death metal, but Scott's productions created an atmosphere both welcoming and hostile. You had to ingratiate yourself within this music and I love that.
@@TheGreatBaronOBeefDip It's funny to me that critics of his production would claim his work was "over-produced". Before Scott, these bands and this style of music weren't really produced at all. No one understood how to make this music sound like it does in the room until people like Scott came along. Also, if the bands came to him for that sound, how can anyone blame him for doing the job?
And that before we lost other Sean (Malone)
My heart dropped when he started talking about Sean Reinert, you can hear the pain. We may feel the loss of losing a major inspiration as a player but he lost a close personal friend he’s known for years...great interview.
I popped in Obituary Cause of Death while listening to this interview
Hopefully it was louder than my voice
Rodney Barr i popped in Slowly We Rot :)
He is a legend in this genre & very humble. My standout productions from him are Malevolent - Retribution, Cannibal - Vile, Death - Human & Obituary - Cause of Death.
Assuck and Terrorizer are two of my favorite albums Mr. Burns.
Thank you for the contribution to extreme metal
Rockerrrr
Man, "Beneath the remains" has like the perfect death metal mix. Despite being a sonic assault it truly feels like swiss chocolate to your ears. Sometimes I can't even tell if I actually like the songs or how they sound
@Christopher Norris
It’s death/thrash like Demolition Hammer.
@Christopher Norris
I had already thought of them as that to begin with (up to Arise). Then I also heard Max refer to his music as death/thrash on a old live recording. It’s on the 2020 BTR reissue (one of the bonus live tracks)
@Christopher Norris
I guess it’s Max’s somewhat guttural vocal style (even actual death metal bands have varying extremes), and you can hear it in some of the riffs like “Primitive Future”. Max was a big fan of Death and Possessed back then. I can hear how they influenced bands like Malevolent Creation (whose first album came out in 1991).
@Christopher Norris
Have you ever heard this album? It’s another death/thrash gem. Although the “death element” is more in the music than the vocals.
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@Christopher Norris
No problem!
Scott is a great guy and a pleasure to work with. My band Death Threat mixed with him in 1991. We are also in the new book. It was an honor.
Damn, only half way through this awesome interview but really loving this. Scott's from a different era of producers, his body of work is stunning. I dig a lot of new heavy music, but exactly the sound imperfection he's talking about makes his work more brutal, organic, authentic. Like famous philosopher Žižek once said: "You can never fall in love with a perfect person..." And that's exactly why I can admire the new sound production being all in levels and clean... But my heart is where little imperfections make the heavy groove that's just perfect. And timeless ! Thank you Scott for everything. Ordered your book awhile ago, still waiting on it 👊😎
Got my book this week in Argentina this is the fucking holy bible of Scott!!! Great pics and info also
Cool, my name is Scott Burns, but I'm a glassblower, your job is badass
His production was so upfront and brutal sounding he did a phenomenal job on the legion album
And the first album as well
Scott is one of those pillars that helped developing the whole genre...his impact goes beyond what he can even imagine...greetings from Costa Rica
I came here from Suffocation’s Effigy Of The Forgotten. Scott burns is the best DM producer in my opinion. The albums he did would not have been the same without him as producer and Scott should be appreciated just as much as the bands for making their music a full body force to be reckoned with.
Scott Burns also produced legendary, Mexican Death/Thrash Metal band TRANSMETAL. 1993 El Infierno De Dante & Mexico Barbaro 1996
wow youve get scott burns!!
You know, even there are lots of death metal bands nowadays, but everytime I find myself that lots of modern music lack something, even it feels repetitive. Production is good, but there is no something unique. But with Scott Burns, I've always have quite positive feeling to that oldschool vibe. It sounds different and it has something unique. I don't know, why Scott said that he sees mistakes made on the records. In reality it doesn't even matter, because he captured the main thing about the music, because it has something unique, that makes you getting back to old stuff. It touches you in a good way. It has something alive, not something constructed in a way to sound always the same. I think Scott should be proud of everything he has done. And if hees some imperfections there, it doesn't matter, really. What matters the most is those records are still alive. And that's the main point!
Absolutely killer interview guys!!!
Stoked we had the opportunity!
Still from France with not a perfect english, but I’ve understand the most and even if i’m only 28 i’m a huge fan of Scott Burns productions and we all have to say that his work is absolutely legendary. Plus, this guy is humble and looks very simple. Still a very good interview guys. You know i’m so sad not to be 20 yo on 90´s to know that period at its beginnings. When people ask me why i listen Death Metal i always say that it’s impossible to explain without talking Scott Burns, Morrisound Studios and Morris brothers, same for Thomas Skoksberg for Sweden. That’s quite emotionnal to talk about this period, all of it is truely legendary and kids now have to know part of this history when they listen their stuff, like history books at school. Thank you so much again for that interview.
To finish i wanted to mention my favorite productions :
Suffocation - Pierced from Within
Cannibal Corpse - Tomb of the mutilated
And a forgotten album wich sounds awesome to me : Overthrow - Within Suffering !
This was l incredibly good. This is exactly what I've been hoping to find on RUclips. I think he did an incredible job on the bleeding that's definitely if anyone truly listen to it. Songs like the title track are downright creepy.of all of the cannibal corpse albums this one by far the most disturbing the bleeding really brings or lyrics to life. Scott Burns did an excellent job producing that album. I also really like the production on butchered at birth and deicide once upon the cross but many people hate they both sound really good when you turn them up I know that
I'm literally blown away with the drum section of this.
Slowly We Rot was recorded for about $3000 with Scotty and it became legendary! I say no more
the interview that many of us are waiting for , thanks guys
I remember back in 1990 hellwitch were recording and deicide were recording the debut at the same time and pat said one worked in the day and one at night and they would pass each other every mornning
Nice
"I don't know how to run a Pro-tools rig" - maybe that's precisely the point. More Scott Burns are needed out there because it has become impossible to sound how analog production would make you sound in the early nineties. Scott Burns will take to the grave the last chapter of death metal production being organic as well as brutal
And thus we can see a different problem with the digital age, intimidation to creativity
Scott 💗
I was at the warehouse show Scott is talking about !!
I enjoyed every minute of this interview, thanks to all involved.
Scott Burns and 90’s Death Metal all the way 👍🏻
Great interview. You guys are getting some good people on this.
I have to say though he sounds fatigued on the topic. I'm pleased you got what you could, I hope you're trying to get hold of Tom G.
Tom would be cool
Thanx much for this itw ! One of the true pioneer in extreme metal engineering. And apparently a super nice, honest and humble guy.
This is an amazing interview! Thanks so much for doing it. I feel like his production really leveled up those recordings. Maybe they would have been just as good without him, but if so it's an incredible coincidence.
Hard to say
"Scott Burns" just means quality! If anyone should write a book about early death metal, it should be Scott - great storyteller and an amazing career with clear vision of what he wanted to achieve. What I really love is that he was a fan just as much as the people who went to the gigs.
Thanks for this epic interview with Scott. Such a humble guy and he made me tear up talking about Sean Reinert :(
Sucks is that he never got the recognition he deserves and hacks like Ross Robinson & Rick Rubin (later work) are wealthy.
He certainly made better albums
From what I know it seems Scott was a workaholic first, he did a lot of records at the same time, he had crazy timelines and worked like a maniac all night, and he was really cheap though he put a lot of work and effort helping those bands. He worked and worked and one day he burnt out and pursued a career as a computer technician. Anyway, great times and a great producer, tied up to some of my favorite records.
Nah they’re all great, Ross and Rick just work with more consumable metal bands. They all did their thing well.
He was the Master of all in the Death-Metal Scene and the greatest death metal, producer in all of the time in the history of death metal as good as that💀.
Scott helped define Death Metal and most of the albums he worked on still stand up today. Absolute Fucking Legend and that's a Fact. Peace 🤘🤘🤘
Awesome interview !
Thanks 🤘
Thanks for listening there are other interviews on the channel if ya haven’t heard!
What a LEGEND Scott Burns is!
You should interview Fenriz about the same subject lol
Haha that would be excellent!
awesome!
Super mega awesome chat with one of my biggest sonic heroes!! Thanks!!
Thanks for listening!
I love this! Thanks for asking the nerdy questions too! As a bedroom producer, I love hearing this stuff.
Absolutely gotta have nerdy questions haha
Cannibal Corpse - Butchered At Birth was the first Brutal Death Metal album. Suffocation started Slam . Butchered At Birth was the first Death Metal album with guttural Vocals, Heavy breakdowns, and before that album you can hear the difference. It was definitely a step beyond Death, Obituary, Morbid Angel, Entombed, Atrocity, Deicide, Repulsion, Carcass, Atheist, Benediction, Loudblast , Autopsy and other early Death Metal bands around at the time. The Vocals Chris Barnes provided for Butchered At Birth made all the other Death Metal Vocalists sound like they were actually just singing. Deicide without a doubt stepped up the technicality and brutality on Legion, Immolation, Broken Hope, Suffocation, and Incantation all followed the Heavier Butchered At Birth type of Death Metal
BUTCHERED is for sure something special, I take it as a " whole piece"of music.
Put it on, press play, and feel the wall of sound and depth of power start pummeling away at me...
World Demise! Hell yeah! Love that album!
Scott Burns really needs to get back in front of the board. If there is any question I would ask Mr. Burns it would be no question. Deicide Legion is produced and mixed so well it holds up today. That album captured the best of my favorite band and captured Scott at his best. All I have to say is thank you. Please make sure Scott is aware of my comment. Thank you for doing this podcast. Wish I would of known about this sooner.
Hey TJ hopefully he sees the comments here
@@ReaperMetalProductions Im sorry if it seemed a little self absorbed that I would want "my comment read by a guest on your podcast". Its just one of those things that meant a lot to me and shaped me into the person I became. You guys get it. I felt an apology was needed though. Thanks. Try getting Brian Hoffman on the show that would be an interesting interview.
Thank you so much for doing this video. It seemed like he was kind of over this topic, but thankfully agreed to come on.
I will say, please just let the guest talk more. Many of these longwinded and multi-layered questions and tie-in segments really take away from the interview in my humble opinion. I think that's what made the interview with Mr. Swano much better
Have to concur here, when you have the one and only death metal god please let him be the focal point, some of your monologues disrupted the flow and to imagine Scott is sitting there patiently listening and being humble while he could be speaking on this rare occasion of coming out into the public... I still appreciate your work that went into this and the fact that you got hold of Scott and made it all happen, so thank you for that.
Interesting. Other people can hear the same interview and come away with a different take. I enjoyed it. Great job. I like the relaxed feel of it.
Mick Harris is the man but he has always been extremely difficult to be around. Harmony Corruption is a masterpiece and Mick is a huge part of that. He wrote over half the album and his style of drumming was so very unique. If you muted all the music on any song off that album and only played the drums, I could instantly tell you what song it is just from his drum parts. They were so musical because he wasn’t the most skilled drummer, but Mick had originality and his own style. Too bad he’s his own worst enemy.
I still can't wrap my brain around how he thought going death metal was selling out.
@@Madhouse_Mediayear old comment. But that's what the Norwegian black metal guys thought. That death metal was trendy and commercialized past like....idk, 1989 probably
1:23:59 I consider myself "The Classic Rock Guy" of Death Metal... My daily listen is 90s Death Metal. I have recently been talking about 1st album influence.. IMO part of it is correct on being raw and fresh. But I feel the main contributor would be most first albums/demos are/was written by kids..Sitting around jamming and writing riffs for years as a kid, so they have so much material to put on tape... Then as Scott brought up, they tour and are pressed to record a follow-up album. Not to say sophomore recordings aren't great. Because I think most bands grow from their next trip to the recording studio and so on... Just topic I've been talking lately... Thanks for bringing us the pod cast and to Scott for all the master pieces!!
I agree Jamie we have talked about these kind of subjects numerous times on Hellcast where yeah the stuff you hear first always seems to reign supreme
Good shit!
Thanks for listening!
Amazing interview. I wished you would have asked him his favorite format to listen to music, but I guess he kinda answered that when he mentioned Spotify. Ha! great job, guys. Love the new format.
Yeah pretty much and didn’t wanna keep cycling around to the same stuff since a few could have had more elaboration
Scott had a godly mullet back in the day.
2 minutes in & I am already loving it the Sadus album he was talking about was Elements of Anger, & the last album he ever produced was of the 2005 Frozen in Time by Obituary. I just love any albums this man produced, that classics sound from Obituary, Atheist, Cynic, Napalm Death, you name it. Can't have a producer like Scott Burns anymore, thanks to this!
Happy to hear your excitement!
All good man! I subbed! I am already past the hour mark & will sure continue watching later, I love the comment if he was ever drunk lol, he was just laid back hahaha I mean if you produced a number of that albums that much in a short time I am sure you deserve to be chill like that ya know haha, cool stuff guys!
This was a great interview. Man, Scott has ALWAYS seemed like a great guy to me. Also, i dont know if ive said it, but Thomas is a good addition to the channel.
Thank you. This is a great interview. Scott worked on some of the best records and did an amazing job. Those albums still sound better than most of the records released nowadays, at least in this genre of music.
Being in young and in a metal band, your 1st studio experience might be the first time you can actually hear your singer...."Oh hey he's actually pretty good - and we have lyrics!"
This is such a great interview. I began hosting a metal show in college in 1990, right when the full on surge in death metal began. I had access to so many great bands and albums, and every time you saw Scott Burns' name in the credits you knew, at least from a production standpoint, that it was going to be good. He basically CREATED a death metal sound, and that's a good thing. There were differences with the Swedish bands and some other parts of the world, but when you saw Scott's name you knew sound wise that it was going to be worth a serious listen. He's amazingly humble given his part in death metal history.
Oh, and Harmony Corruption is by far my favorite Death Metal album. By 2021, it's almost an outlier in terms of it's sound compared to the rest of their albums. But that album played a HUGE part of me becoming a Death Metalhead.
Not sure who in their sane mind would dislike this video. It doesn’t get better than to hear these stories from these iconic bands from the guy who was in the middle of it all.
excellent!
Great interview guys! Awesome! I guess we all miss the Scott Burns era!
It was a different time for sure
It makes me sad to hear that Mick Harris didn't like the sound on Napalm Death's Harmony Corruption.... because I F%cking Loved it when it came out. I mean, I get it... Mentally Murdered EP has one of the most insane organic sounding grindcore sounds one could ever hope for, there was no where to go but down. Yet, after finding Harmony Corruption I was looking for anything from Burns and Morrisound. That fat mid crushed tight and crisp sound really helped Death Metal along. the DiY stuff before it I can appreciate now that I love it... but back then... the cleaner heavy sounding riffs and drums of Burns' work really set the genre on its way as a viable medium. Massive appreciation for that work 30+years later.
It's funny. You can hear the squeak in his voice/delivery that in the Cannibal Corpse Documentary, Centuries of Torment, alot of the guys imitated him for. I picked it up right away having watched that Doc 30 plus times. Arguably the best, well done band documentary out there.
Many many thanks for this interview. Scott Burns was part of something special and his legacy will forever be stamped within the genesis of Death Metal.
Great interview; what a humble guy who seems now to be genuinely happy living with all these cool memories from a time when he helped create a bucket load of masterpieces.
Harris wanted napalm to sound like entombed???? whhhaatttt???? NEVER would have known that if not for this interview.You guys gotta do a follow up part 2 of this interview cause 30 yrs in 90 minutes just doesn't cut it...great interview it just left me wanting more.\m/
That’s a good problem!
@@ReaperMetalProductions I hope that problem can be solved sometime soon!! \m/
In the meantime we are solving it with new interviews every Wednesday!
They should have gone to Sunlight studio, and used the Hm2 pedal. And, saved thousands of dollars.
team Legion!
THIS IS GREAT, thank you guys for this!!!!
terrorizer - world downfall, death - leprosy & spiritual healing, atheist - piece of time, exhorder - slaughter in the vatican, sepultura - beneath the remains, obituary - slowly & cause, first cannibal corpse... all favourites of mine. its funny to think I was in tasmania, australia running down the record shops in the '80's/early 90's getting these records, and still listen to today. thanks scott.
Did not expect to see Tommy in this. Really good video keep it going
Boomy drums are still my favorite drum sound in general, but Scott really got one of the perfect sounds for death metal that holds up today because he was about real performances of the bands and just getting the best sound that represented the bands. I love they're not so clean I hate processed sounding metal.
This was BEYOND excellent!! Thank you!!
I wish you would of asked him about the kick drum drop outs on Sacrificial Suicide by Deicide.
Oh man, I did want to!
Great interview guys. Scott is a legend, great to hear his side of things.
I don't think Scott's albums sound the same. He certainly had a signature that was his but to say all his albums sounded the same is bullshit. Nowhere close as Andy Sneap albums do.
Great Interview
Harmony Corruption is my favorite Napalm album.
Thanks for having him on. Scott Burns left an indelible, awesome imprint on metal history. And he handles it well.
I’m curious: which bands are accused of having sped up their recording?
Back in the 90's, if your band wasn't produced by Scott Burns, or have a Dan Seagraves album cover, you weren't shit!!!😂😂😂😂
Great interview. Living legend scott burns 🤟
I own 21 albuns recorded at morrisound :))
Great stuff guys. Enjoyed that. 👍
Favourite SB production.... beneath the remains. A top 5 album for me.
what a treat!
My fav scott burn production cannibal corpse The bleeding album...tone is smokin hot and chunky
Very interesting interview, with a subject that has avoided the limelight, how did you score this interview???!! 😮 One thing I was wondering was, Scott now works as a computer programmer (I'm pretty sure software was becoming a feature of the recording process at this stage), I find it surprising that a Pro Tools suite would present such a challenge. Besides that, many bands would like to "record live" or record as in the past, without the gadgetry. I wonder is it the case that Scott doesn't have the time and he was trying to politely Imply this? I'm sure Jim Morris would have him back, show him the new and old equipment and given a few weeks, he'd be flying. He may well be earning a small fortune in the tech world though 😜 I would LOVE to see Metallica + Scott Burns in Morrisounds. I rate Scott Morris > Flemming Rasmussen >>>> Bob >>Rick Rubin.
42:00 🤘🔥❤️🔥🔥🤘What a beautiful mention!!!!! 🙏🏻 Thank you Scott for capturing that magical Era of our lives!!!!!!!
Can you imagine if Scott could have produced for Internal Suffering and Pryapus?
Such a personality, not to mention the dialect, you kind of want him to tell an old cozy fairy tale for hours. Anyway, I have an offer, what about you, Mr. Burns, tackle our upcoming songs, digitally from a distance ofc, across the Atlantic in fact, then you will get 3 birds with 1 stone, learn the computer studio stuff, you can stay in Florida AND you getting back in business! 😀👍 Yeah! Cheers n keep safe guys!
Haha didn’t seem even bigger offers were gonna entice Scott
Man you guys podcasts are so awesome in depth great questions too 👍to you both loved the question to Scott about the legion album deicides 1st album and legion are my favs agree legion is technical the hoffman bros kicked ass on that album but I also equally love the raw brutal sound of it too cheers guys from Milwaukee wi
Hey Chris! Glad you enjoyed it, plenty of other interviews and content here if you haven’t checked it out
fuck me, Ive been searching for years for a recent interview....killer
Much respect all the way from Philippines
"Ya know, listen" Scott burns somewhere prolly*