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  • Опубликовано: 13 авг 2024
  • Pastor Jon Mark and Pastor Kent seeking to bring increased clarity on Amillennialism, and it’s view of the millennium (as taught in Rev 20). While also harmonizing it with a consistent Biblical hermeneutic that allows the New Testament to interpret the Old.

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  • @coldsteel1991
    @coldsteel1991 3 года назад +12

    Thanks brothers, you did a great job explaining this in a short time. I was saved thinking the premillenial view is what everyone believed and I struggled with it as I read through the Bible. Once I heard about the amillenial view years ago, so much more seemed to fall into place.

  • @jgeph2.4
    @jgeph2.4 2 года назад +7

    Meredith Klines biblical theology work is super helpful in bringing together an Amill eschatology also .. I came out of premill dispensationalism and when it all started to come together especially with a robust biblical theology, it was just glorious.
    Bless you brothers

  • @autumn_armyworm
    @autumn_armyworm Год назад +5

    Satan is presently bound? I don't think so and that's a huge problem with your theory. The nations(humans) are being deceived worse than ever. You have to kind of make something up like "Well what it means is we are still able to spread the Gospel"
    What about the two resurrections? The first resurrection (Rev 20:4) is not spiritual - those who didn't worship or take the mark were decapitated. It's clearly a physical resurrection.
    Are you proposing that the tribulation has already happened? Jesus said he would return immediately after the tribulation (Matt 24:29-31). Has Christ returned?

  • @alexd776
    @alexd776 2 года назад +5

    Well done brothers. God bless your ministry. 💪😀❤️

  • @markrobertsministries
    @markrobertsministries 3 года назад +5

    I agree that you shouldn't break fellowship. But the amellinial argument falls apart with scripture. If you think Satan is bound you are off base. What about when he is released. Then you are saying the finished work on the he cross was not finished. Just believe what the Bible says.

    • @thecrosschurchpensacola
      @thecrosschurchpensacola  3 года назад +5

      With all due respect, that’s an unhelpful comment, if you listen to what is said in the video about the binding of Satan. The binding of Satan is in regards to the deceiving of the nations. Amillennialism doesn’t argue that Christ’s work isn’t finished or that Satan has no influence or power, but that he has no ultimate or deceiving power when God calls in his elect from the nations. Salvation isn’t only for Israel, but even Gentiles can now believe and even Satan cannot stop that. how is that a denial of scripture? Maybe you could expound on that view

    • @christiansoldier77
      @christiansoldier77 2 года назад +5

      @@thecrosschurchpensacola The Gentiles could always believe and Satan has always been limited in what he can do and today he still possesses people and deceives people so in what way is he be bound? He isnt bound. He will be bound during the millennium

    • @michellebanik3689
      @michellebanik3689 2 года назад

      @@christiansoldier77 when you see him released, if you're still alive, then you will know he's indeed been bound from deceiving the nations.
      It's one year later from the date of this video & Russia & Ukraine are at war with NATO involvement & could become WW3 any moment. Have also seen what happened in Canada when Trudeau came against the Freedom Truckers like he has. Perhaps NOW is the beginning of Satan being loosed because of what we've seen with C-19 & how all the nations joined in lockstep for the 1st time ever.
      When Satan is indeed loosed and does what he's going to do, THEN ppl who deny he's been bound will realize he indeed has been bound.
      Also, God DIVOECED Israel so he could marry another - the Church. God's not a polygamist, but because of their idolatry he did so. In 70 AD, because they killed their Messiah, God was done with them & Christ prophesied that not one stone would lie upon another. So
      he showed the world by the Destruction of Jerusalem & the temple that he was done with it & the OT was over & the New Covenant, a BETTER Covenant was given to ALL men, the Jew first & then the Gentiles. In Christ's Kingdom which is here and now, there is neither Jew nor Greek, bond nor free, male nor female, for we are all one in him! No special way for the Jew. He must come to God thru Christ repenting & believing as we all must do. They're no longer special, no longer chosen.
      You can find this in Galatians 3:16 to the end of the chapter, easily.
      Jesus is the SEED, according to the promise made to Abraham (one seed not many) and those who are in Christ Jesus are heirs to the promises God made to Abraham. THIS is exactly what you'll find when you read Galatians & Hebrews & a large part of Romans, apecifically ch 11!
      So go read it & learn that God did a new thing & it's nothing to do with the Old Covenant. Jesus fulfilled it, it's over & the New has been established in Christ who made Covenant with the shedding of His blood for all who will believe.

    • @SavedBySweetGrace
      @SavedBySweetGrace Год назад

      Great video, thank you brothers.

    • @houseonthehill8485
      @houseonthehill8485 Год назад

      Satan and his abilities to deceive is not the only sin issue this fallen world combats.
      Ecclesiastes 3:18-19 Solomon wisely understood the estate of humanity. Also, he identified the BEAST that no one wants to recognize as being within. 666 is the number of man….
      Each view may have viable application

  • @candyclews4047
    @candyclews4047 Год назад +3

    I have to admit I was taken in by the pre-trib narrative. It did sound exciting but alas, it was not Biblically sound once I really studied all angles. I honestly wanted it to be true but I can now see why the Amill belief, for nearly 1,800 years, was clearly there for a reason.

    • @utube83100
      @utube83100 Год назад

      There is also Historic Premillennialism, (which is non-dispensational, no pre-trib rapture)... the belief of the early church for the first couple of hundred years. ruclips.net/video/cDMiw6DfZoM/видео.html

    • @st.christopher4854
      @st.christopher4854 7 месяцев назад

      You were not "taken in" by the premil position ... you just did not understand it well enough. All the Bishops from Asia Minor were premil and even the heretic Cerinthus of Ephesus and his followers the Logi of the 2nd century. It was universally held by all because that's what the Bishops from Asia Minor understood from the Apostles. See St. Irenaeus, St. Hippolytus, and Eusebius on Papias and Polycarp.

  • @Amilton5solas
    @Amilton5solas 2 года назад +2

    Thanks for the explanation.

  • @greenrogue19
    @greenrogue19 Год назад +3

    Why would all of Christ’s first coming be literal fulfillments of prophecy - and His second coming be symbolic/allegorical ? This is illogical.

    • @kimmykimko
      @kimmykimko Год назад +1

      Nobody said it was symbolic. Its going to happen at the Last Day, last Trump, just like Jesus said. You'll see Him coming like they saw Him ascending.

  • @jeffgraham2986
    @jeffgraham2986 4 месяца назад

    Thank you for your commentary but I still cannot reconcile it with 1 Peter 5:8. If Satan is bound as you interpret scripture then why does Peter say that he is roaming around looking for someone to devour? My comment is not intended to be argumentative but to examine scripture in a thoughtful and thorough way. Thank you

  • @Swiftninjatrev
    @Swiftninjatrev Год назад +3

    There's only audio in one speaker 🤔

    • @jeangreen432
      @jeangreen432 Год назад

      I had to have my speakers 100% and still struggling to hear, thought it was just me :o)

  • @tomgunn8004
    @tomgunn8004 3 месяца назад +1

    The Dead Sea Scrolls speak of a pre-trib rapture. For centuries most Church Fathers were way anti-semitic.

  • @canadianpatriot9566
    @canadianpatriot9566 3 года назад +1

    It's amazing how well the church fathers knew the gospels so well, it's a shame more do not realize the great theologians of the universal church, the catholic church, ..Ignatius, Aquinas,origon , Augustine, Moore, Polycarp , justin Marter, and on and on.

  • @anthonybennett5335
    @anthonybennett5335 6 месяцев назад +1

    Let's cut through this. You need to read Matthew 13 and all the Scriptures that deal with the Second Coming of Christ. Then you will realise that Christ comes with a shout and a trumpet (so no 'Secret Rapture' there), brings with him the new heavens and the new earth and holds the Day of Judgment, with eternity to follow immediately after. So *no room* for any '1,000' years after that

  • @mysticmouse7261
    @mysticmouse7261 8 месяцев назад

    Paul does not say to be absent from the body IS to be present with the Lord. The word is AND to be present with the Lord.

  • @nickolascook744
    @nickolascook744 Год назад

    Ill be honest i don't know where i stand i used to be dispensational and thought I had eschatology all figured out last year and for the last 2 years prior but lately i think i have been gravitating towards pre mil partial preterist or amillenial

  • @Mattithias
    @Mattithias 22 дня назад

    No. There is a catching up into the clouds before the man of sin is revealed. We know the man of sin stands in the Holy Place mid-way through a 7 year period also referred to as Jacob’s trouble. Jesus’ return in the clouds isn’t his 2nd coming. At the end of the 7 years, his feet touch the ground = 2nd coming.

  • @TheOverlapLifewithTimBarber
    @TheOverlapLifewithTimBarber 7 месяцев назад

    Man, these comments are unhinged. Excellent presentation, of a thoroughly Biblical doctrine that doesnt let the tail wag the dog 3 chapters before the end.

  • @KR-Ministry
    @KR-Ministry Год назад

    In your view, what will herald the 2nd coming of Christ? Is it the birth pangs spoken of by Christ?

    • @st.christopher4854
      @st.christopher4854 7 месяцев назад

      It's when Jerusalem is surrounded by enemies who are at war with Israel. These countries will be led by the antichrist. Then Messiah will return at Armegeddon to rescue Jerusalem. See the book of Joel, Ezek. 38, 39, Zech. 14, Dan. 12, Matt. 24.

  • @CREATED4HISGLORY
    @CREATED4HISGLORY 10 месяцев назад

    I really appreciate how sweet you both are in explaining these views. I am a premillennialist so I don't agree with your view - Biblically, which I have too many reasons to name here, one being your view on Israel and the other is the Devil being held now - 1000 year reign. But, it's good to have these discussions.

  • @SpotterVideo
    @SpotterVideo Год назад +2

    Millennial Puzzle:
    My view of the Millennium agrees with what Paul said in 2 Thess. 1:7-10, when Paul said Christ returns in "flaming fire" taking vengeance on those who do not obey the Gospel. The fire comes at the end of Rev. chapter 20.
    My view agrees with what Peter said in 2 Peter 3:10-13, when Peter said this earth is going to burn and "dissolve" when He comes as a thief on the day of the Lord. The fire comes at the end of Rev. chapter 20.
    My view agrees with what Paul said in 2 Tim. 4:1, when Paul said both the living and the dead will be judged at His appearing. The time of the judgment of the dead, with reward for some and destruction for others is found in Rev. 11:18, right after the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible. (This verse also proves the Book of Rev. is not in chronological order.) The judgment of the dead is also found at the end of Rev. chapter 20.
    My view agrees with what Jesus said in Matt. 25:31-46, where He described the judgment of the sheep and goats, which leaves no mortals alive on the planet at the end of the passage.
    My view agrees with Peter in 2 Pet. 2:4, and Jude in Jude 1:6, when they both said wicked angels are already in chains of darkness.
    My view agrees with what John recorded in Rev. 9:1-2, when an angel comes down from heaven with a key to unlock the pit. Are there wicked angels already in the pit in Rev. 9:11? John recorded angels already "bound" in Rev. 9:14. The beast "ascends" out of the pit in Rev. chapter 11, which means the beast was in the pit before that time.
    Take all of the above and compare it to the symbolic language found in Rev. chapter 20 and you will have the truth.

    • @st.christopher4854
      @st.christopher4854 Год назад +1

      None of these scriptures which you quoted has anything to do with the rapture of the church which will take place before Daniel's 70th week. -Daniel 9:27.
      They refer to the 2nd advent of Christ returning for the nation of Israel and Jerusalem." Thy people (Jews) and thy holy city (Jerusalem)." - Daniel 9:24.

    • @SpotterVideo
      @SpotterVideo Год назад

      @@st.christopher4854 Based on Hebrews 9:15, the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26 cannot be separated from the New Covenant fulfilled by His blood at Calvary.
      Is the New Covenant found in Daniel chapter 9?
      Are we supposed to believe the angel Gabriel appeared to Daniel to reveal the timeline of the Messiah who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and then the angel failed to even mention the New Covenant. Or, is the covenant with the many in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the many in Matthew 26:28? The 1599 Geneva Bible is the Bible the Pilgrims brought to America, before John Darby showed up on our shores about the time of the Civil War. What was the earlier understanding of Daniel 9:27 found below in the notes of the 1599 Geneva Bible?
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      Dan 9:27 And he shal confirme the couenant with many for one weeke: and in the middes of the weeke he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the ouerspreading of the abominations, he shall make it desolate, euen vntill the consummation determined shalbe powred vpon the desolate.
      Daniel 9:27
      And he (a) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to (b) cease, (c) and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
      (a) By the preaching of the Gospel he affirmed his promise, first to the Jews, and after to the Gentiles. (See Rom. 1:16, Matt. 10:5-7, Acts 10:36-38)
      (b) Christ accomplished this by his death and resurrection. (See Heb. 9:15)
      (c) Meaning that Jerusalem and the sanctuary would be utterly destroyed because of their rebellion against God, and their idolatry: or as some read, that the plague will be so great, that they will all be astonished at them.
      (See Matt. 23:38, Matt. 24:1-2, Luke 19:41-44)
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      During recent years many New Covenant scholars have examined Daniel chapter 9 from a New Covenant perspective. Did Christ fulfill the summary found in Daniel 9:24? Is it about the New Covenant fulfilled by the blood of Christ at Calvary?
      Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
      Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
      Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. (These two verses are quoted from Jeremiah 31:31-34.)
      Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
      Act 10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:)
      Act 10:37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;
      Act 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
      The death of the Messiah is found in Daniel 9:26, and there are only two possible singular antecedents for the word “he” in the next verse. Those antecedents are either Christ or Titus, who was the prince of the people that destroyed the temple during 70 AD.
      Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
      Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
      Is the “he” in Daniel 9:27 the “Messiah”, or “the prince” of the people that destroyed the city and the sanctuary in verse 26? If we used “the people of the prince” it would not be a singular “he”.
      Does the author of the Book of Hebrews connect the New Covenant with the Messiah’s death found in Daniel 9:26, in the verse below?
      Heb 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. (NKJV)
      Verse 26 also says the Messiah would be cut off “after” the 69 weeks. If I agree to paint your house “after” 69 weeks, it will not be painted until the 70th week, or after. Is there a “gap” of almost 2,000 years between the 69th week and the 70th week, or was it fulfilled during the first century when the Gospel was preached “first” to the Jews?
      We know there is a time period when the Gospel was taken “first” to the Jews, as the Apostle Paul said in the verse below.
      Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.
      Can we find a time period of about seven years when the Gospel was taken “first” to Daniel’s people during the first century? If we can, we have good evidence that the 70th week of Daniel has already been fulfilled.
      Did Christ command His disciples to take the Gospel only to Israel in the passage below?
      Mat 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: "Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans.
      Mat 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
      Mat 10:7 And as you go, preach, saying, 'The kingdom of heaven is at hand.'
      Is the time period when the Gospel was preached “first” (Rom. 1:16) to the Jews in the passage above, confirmed in the passage below?
      Act 10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:)
      Act 10:37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;
      Act 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
      In the passage above Luke confirms the fact that the Gospel of Christ was preached throughout the land of Israel after the baptism which John preached. Here again, we have a text which reveals a time period when the Gospel was taken “first” to the Jews, as Paul said in Romans 1:16.
      Bible scholars have looked at the number of Passover celebrations in the Gospels and have estimated Christ’s earthly ministry to have lasted about three and one half years. Was the Gospel taken “first” (Rom. 1:16) to the Jews for a period of about three and one half years during the period of time revealed in the Gospels?
      In Galatians 1:14-18 Paul reveals he did not go up to see Peter until about 3 years after his conversion. During that time the Gospel continued to be taken almost exclusively to Daniel's people, before Paul took the Gospel to the Gentiles.
      Watch the RUclips video on Daniel 9 by Dr. Kelly Varner.

    • @jash7401
      @jash7401 10 месяцев назад

      @@SpotterVideo In the example you give, notice the capital letters given in honor of sovereignty in Hebrews 9:15 and the lack thereof in Daniel 9:27. In verse 26 Messiah is capitalized while prince is not. It isn't speaking of the same person.
      You) Is there a “gap” of almost 2,000 years between the 69th week and the 70th week, or was it fulfilled during the first century when the Gospel was preached “first” to the Jews?
      He has made reconciliation for iniquity, I'm not so sure about, making an end of sins, finishing transgressions or bringing in everlasting righteousness.

    • @SpotterVideo
      @SpotterVideo 10 месяцев назад

      @@jash7401 See the word "now" in verse 18.
      Heb 10:16 "THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THEM AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR HEARTS, AND IN THEIR MINDS I WILL WRITE THEM,"
      Heb 10:17 then He adds, "THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE." (Quoted from Jer. 31:31-34)
      Heb 10:18 Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin.
      (NKJV)

    • @jash7401
      @jash7401 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@SpotterVideo
      Israel, the remnant, will be saved the same as the church made up of gentile and Jews. Paul tells us that when the fullness of the gentiles has come in then all Israel will be saved.
      Zech 12: 9 It shall be in that day that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
      10 “And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. (When did they pierce the Lord?) Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn.
      When the Jews are asked "how will you recognize your messiah, they reply he will help us to rebuild the temple. At the abomination of desolation during the tribulation period, in their rebuilt temple, they will realize their terrible mistake and at the threat of annihilation they will call out to Him and put their trust in Him the same as we have.
      Read Daniel 36 & 37. God is not through with Israel.
      Daniel 9:24-27 is revealed in Johns book of revelation.

  • @bradfleck9458
    @bradfleck9458 10 месяцев назад +2

    Thanks for your presentation. I've considered Amil, but, for me, that bird just doesn't fly. It seems that for Amil to fly, you have to hold a narrow definition, i.e. redefine, "deceive" (Rev. 20) to mean basically that "he cannot stop the church from proclaiming the Gospel." Ummmmm....ok.... To deceive nations is to deceive people in the nations. So Satan's deceiving in Rev 20 is (will be) what it's always been - deceiving the hearts of sinners to not believe the Gospel. Why would it be anything else? That's what Satan does - he's the deceiver and liar. Common sense will take Rev 20 literally that Satan is bound during a literal Millennium so that he cannot deceive sinners (normal, literal, historical reality) for a literal 1,000 years. And it's obvious that Satan IS active NOW and so is NOT bound. Verses to consider that contradict Satan is currently bound during in the Church Age - Acts 5:3. 26:18; Rom 16:20; 2 Cor 4:3-4; Eph 6:11; 1 Thess 2:18; 1 Tim 5:15; 2 Tim 2:26; James 4:7; 1 Peter 5:8. If a literal 1,000 binding is true, then despite Satan not actively deceving sinners, the sin nature is such that millions and millions will still reject Jesus and will be destroyed at the end when Satan is loosed. Two cents ain't much, but that's my take.....

    • @mikecruz5389
      @mikecruz5389 9 месяцев назад

      That’s the most sense I’ve heard on this subject. I really don’t get this view, it smells of deception and tweaking of the word. Again, I appreciate your listing of the verses that appear to refute this. Great for discussion. God bless.

    • @TheOverlapLifewithTimBarber
      @TheOverlapLifewithTimBarber 7 месяцев назад +1

      Except the actual passage of Revelation 20 explicitly says what his deception entails - deceiving them into inciting a military rebellion against God.

    • @bradfleck9458
      @bradfleck9458 7 месяцев назад

      ​@@TheOverlapLifewithTimBarber ➜➜➜REVELATION 20:1-3 = Satan is bound 1,000 years. ➜➜➜REVELATION 20:4-6 = The 1,000 year reign of Christ occurs (the Millennial Reign). ➜➜➜REVELATION 20:7-10 ➜➜➜ Satan is loosed and gathers a HUGE army together. ➜➜➜QUESTION: Who is in this innumerable army? ➜➜➜ANSWER: Those who rejected Christ during the 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom while Satan is bound and unable to deceive. ➜➜➜WHAT'S THE POINT? Man's sin nature is so sinful in and of itself that it will rebel against Jesus WITHOUT ANY DECEPTION BY SATAN. ➜➜➜AFTER Satan is loosed, which is AFTER the 1,000 years, yes, he then deceives the innumerable army of Christ-rejectors into thinking they can fight against Jesus at Jerusalem but they fail and are cast into the lake of fire. Trust this helps. (Also trust the capital letters aren't too obnoxious. I don't think you can "bold" letters for emphasis).

  • @st.christopher4854
    @st.christopher4854 Год назад +3

    Historic premillennialism is dispensational. Apparently, you have never read St. Irenaeus, St. Hippolytus, Tertullian, St. Cyril, etc.

    • @utube83100
      @utube83100 Год назад

      It's not. Dispensationalism was introduced in the 1800's. ruclips.net/video/cDMiw6DfZoM/видео.html

  • @stevo19911991
    @stevo19911991 7 месяцев назад

    Well done guys. I agree

  • @larrybedouin2921
    @larrybedouin2921 8 месяцев назад

    To the end [objective] he may establish your hearts unblameable in holiness *before* God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ *with all his saints*
    {1 Thessalonians 3:13}
    "But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you IN MY FATHER'S KINGDOM."
    {Matthew 26:29}

  • @andrevorster1248
    @andrevorster1248 Год назад +2

    Ok, thank you for this short explanation of amillennialism. What's confusing me about the amillennialism view is that according to amillennialism, saints are already reigning with Christ. According to Rev. 20:4-5, saints will only reign with Christ after the first resurrection? According to my understanding of Paul's writings in 1 Cor. 15, the resurrection of the dead will happen at the "last trumpet". This is also mentioned in 1 Thes. 4:16 i.e. at the time of the second coming of Christ. I do not hold to a Pre, A, or Postmillennialism viewpoint. Can you elaborate on this, please?

    • @thecrosschurchpensacola
      @thecrosschurchpensacola  Год назад +6

      Eph 2:6 “…and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus” … that’s a present tense ongoing “seated”

    • @andrevorster1248
      @andrevorster1248 Год назад +4

      Thank you so much for your reply...
      Yes, I know the verse very well. Do you then interpret this verse as being part of the "first" resurrection?
      When reading this verse, I understand it in this way - that where we were dead (separated from God) because of sin and are now made alive (reconciled to God) because of Christ (seated us with him). Has the first resurrection already taken place according to the amillennialism view? If so, how then do I handle 1 Joh. 3:2

    • @janeyue7491
      @janeyue7491 Год назад +2

      I read a book that says that the first resurrection is when God has quickened His people by the Holy Spirit, reflecting on Eph 2:1. I believe that is when people are ‘born again’ by the spirit part, so it is done while here on earth.

    • @st.christopher4854
      @st.christopher4854 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@andrevorster1248
      Resurrection always refers to the physical body from dead to alive again such as the resurrection of Lazarus. The spirit and the soul do not die and are never resurrected. The soul can be "lost" but there is no soul death. Even Plato taught the immortality of the soul. Spirits are everlasting such as the angels. Paul is referring to our position in Christ ("in him") by faith ... that we were crucified with him, raised with him, and seated in heavenly places with him. We are born "again" of the Spirit in contrast to being born according to the flesh (John 3).
      We are not resurrected at our baptism or when we are born again. We are resurrected bodily at the return of Christ when this mortal shall put on immortality. The spirit and the soul are not mortal.
      Now Paul says "how is it that which is natural comes first and then that which is spititual"?
      The natural is not dealt with until the resurrection of the body ... although God can now heal our mortal bodies and the mortal body can be quickened by the spirit.
      The error of the heretic Hermogenes is that the resurrection was a spiritual resurrection and Hermogenes the Docetist abandoned St. Paul over this very issue.

    • @andrevorster1248
      @andrevorster1248 6 месяцев назад

      @@st.christopher4854 Thank you for you reply. Your explanation makes sense.

  • @larrybedouin2921
    @larrybedouin2921 8 месяцев назад

    Is satan bound in chains at this moment?
    If you believe this, then your conscience must be seared with a hot iron. Is there not still sin and temptation in the world?

    • @thecrosschurchpensacola
      @thecrosschurchpensacola  8 месяцев назад

      Not that Satan is bound completely, but “Satan is bound from deceiving the Gentiles who are elect from every nation”

    • @larrybedouin2921
      @larrybedouin2921 8 месяцев назад

      ​@@thecrosschurchpensacola
      That is unbiblical.
      satan will be bound in chains of circumstance for a thousand years, for he will be without any man living on earth for a thousand years, after the first resurrection, while the saints judge the world and fallen angels in heaven.
      Revelation 13:1-10 the (conglomerate) beast from out of the sea.
      And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and *ten horns* and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
      And the beast which I saw was like unto *a leopard* and his feet were as the feet of *a bear* and his mouth as the mouth of *a lion* and *the dragon* gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
      {Revelation 13:1-2}
      Greek > philosophy
      Persian > religious sects and monachism
      Babylonian > sun worship (Mithraism)
      Roman > law
      Who gives Rome and That man of sin power and authority?

  • @st.christopher4854
    @st.christopher4854 Год назад +1

    The problem with amillennialists is that they do not understand bible prophecy and they fail to understand the distinction between the kingdom of God, the kingdom of heaven, and the coming Messianic kingdom.

    • @larrymcclain8874
      @larrymcclain8874 3 месяца назад

      @st.christopher4854 3 kingdoms? What a mess. Revelation 12 states that when Christ ascended, the Kingdom came (Acts 1,2).

    • @st.christopher4854
      @st.christopher4854 3 месяца назад

      @@larrymcclain8874
      The "manchild" is not Christ ... read Isaiah 66.
      Christ does not take posession of the kingdoms of this world until Rev. 19, it's only here that he wears "many crowns" and not before.
      Rev. 11:15 all through ch. 12 is what happens under the 7th trumpet.
      Rev. 11:15 is a proclamation from heaven due to the fact of Satan being cast out of the heavenlies down to the earth and that he has but a short time remaining (42 months) ... it is an anticipative pronouncement that the kingdoms (plural) of the world are no longer ruled by Satan from the air who has been kicked out and that Christ "SHALL reign."

    • @st.christopher4854
      @st.christopher4854 3 месяца назад

      @@larrymcclain8874
      Also, notice in Rev. 1, Christ is not wearing a crown ... in Rev. 14:14, he is wearing a single golden crown. In Rev. 19 he wears many crowns for the kingdoms of this world.

    • @st.christopher4854
      @st.christopher4854 28 дней назад

      @@larrymcclain8874
      You are one man. Yet you have a spirit, soul, and body. Is that a mess? Does that make you 3 men? You are one man but you distinguish between spirit, soul, and body. Likewise, there is one kingdom not three.

    • @larrymcclain8874
      @larrymcclain8874 28 дней назад

      "She bore a male Child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her Child was caught up to God and His throne." Revelation 12:5
      "Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written:
      KING OF KINGS AND
      LORD OF LORDS."
      Revelation 19:15-16
      "And he who overcomes, and keeps My works until the end, to him I will give power over the nations-
      ‘He shall rule them with a rod of iron;
      They shall be dashed to pieces like the potter’s vessels’-
      as I also have received from My Father; and I will give him the morning star." Revelation 2:26-28
      Nope, I totally disagree. It is Jesus the Christ the Word of God, and His ruling with "a rod of iron" is the key.

  • @c.s.froggis9982
    @c.s.froggis9982 3 года назад +1

    The "two" is the house of Judah and the House of Israel becoming one Israel again through the redemption of Jesus. You can see this being prophesied about in nearly all the prophets, to whom Paul is referring, for example in Ezekiel 37 with the two sticks. Reading all the Old Testament verses referenced in the NT, along with a Greek parallel NT, can clarify what is really being said about the two houses (the house of Judah and the house of Israel).
    The "Gentiles" are the scattered tribes among the nations being redeemed through the new covenant of Jesus. All of the prophets, Jesus himself, and Paul all confirm that it is about the salvation of Israel. Through the salvation of Israel, after being scattered among the nations and being regathered in Jesus Christ, they as Christ's new bride, the church, can now -- and have indeed been -- a blessing and a light unto the nations, among which they had been scattered. This blessing is otherwise known as Christendom, which is centered and flowing from exactly where Paul and the other apostles went to preach to the scattered tribes (they were lost spiritually, not physically -- see James 1), reaching unto this day the ends of the world, and truly many from other nations have also believed as a result of God's absolute faithfulness to His people.

    • @kimmykimko
      @kimmykimko Год назад

      Nope. Its quite clear that Paul is talking about Jews and non-Jews (Gentiles or the rest of the world). Your taking types and shadows and superimposing them over the revelation given after Christ has appeared.

    • @c.s.froggis9982
      @c.s.froggis9982 Год назад

      @@kimmykimko there is not even a word in the original language for a non Jew. Gentile is an English neologism for the Latin "gente" which merely means "people." The Greek "ethnos" means "nation" or "tribe." St. Paul is talking about the tribes of the House of Israel. What may seem "quite clear" to you likely seems that way because you are not willing to study. If you have a Bible that lists the Old Testament verses to which St Paul alludes, be willing to look up every one in its context so that you understand properly St. Paul. I also recommend a Greek parallel version.

  • @kimmykimko
    @kimmykimko Год назад +3

    Good job guys, yet too brief. People cant wrap their heads around this for some reason, mostly due to bad heurmanutics and indoctrination all their lives.

  • @StingofTruth
    @StingofTruth 2 года назад +6

    Great job of thoroughly misrepresenting the hermeneutics of premillennialism. Go read basic bible interpretation by Roy Zuck and you'll see that you were proven wrong decades before you made this video.

  • @truthfirst2983
    @truthfirst2983 9 месяцев назад

    Romans 11 - grafted into THEIR olive tree

    • @thecrosschurchpensacola
      @thecrosschurchpensacola  9 месяцев назад +1

      Technically, the tree is the Lord’s, and it’s “theirs” in him, Jew and Greek

  • @remnant8898
    @remnant8898 9 месяцев назад

    Facts to consider: Daniel was a dispensationalist. Paul was a dispensationalist. The early church fathers were both dispensationalists/premillenialists. The fact that you claim this idea derived in the 18th century (when historical documents prove otherwise by at least 200 years in Europe) by Darby, only confirms that you guys did not geninuely do your due diligence before this video.

  • @AhavatYeshua
    @AhavatYeshua Год назад +1

    Exegesis goes out the window. Amillennialists love to hear themselves speak. But it’s like they are telling some weird story of their own. Very sloppy interpretation of the Scriptures, and very subtle attempt to misguide the ignorant and immature believers.
    Lord please open the eyes of these people and let them see Your truth for all its worth!

  • @larrybedouin2921
    @larrybedouin2921 8 месяцев назад

    It's a doctrine of devils.

  • @st.christopher4854
    @st.christopher4854 Год назад +5

    The early church fathers were premillennial. None of them were amillennial ... none!

    • @kimmykimko
      @kimmykimko Год назад +3

      That's just wrong.

    • @st.christopher4854
      @st.christopher4854 Год назад

      @@kimmykimko
      I'll gladly send you a list of early church fathers that were premillennial. Tell me which early church fathers were amillennial. I'm waiting.

    • @jonathanwithers1793
      @jonathanwithers1793 Год назад +1

      Well Justin Martyr (known premil) said regarding the millennium "many who belong to the pure and pious faith, and are true Christians, think otherwise.”
      How do you comprehend that with the thought that the early church was only premillennial?

    • @st.christopher4854
      @st.christopher4854 Год назад +2

      @@jonathanwithers1793
      No, Justin said that about the future rebuilding of Jerusalem, that it would be rebuilt. That's what Trypho asked him about. He did not ask about a millennium. Justin added that information beyond telling Trypho that "right minded Christians do believe that Jerusalem would be rebuilt ... and that Christ would rule and reign from that rebuilt Jerusalem for 1,000 years." Some Christians and Jews were doubtful that the desolate city of Jerusalem would ever be rebuilt. Trypho knew that the remaining prophecies required an actual city of Jerusalem. Justin said it would be rebuilt and the remaining prophecies would be LITERALLY FULFILLED even as the previous prophecies were literally fulfilled. Israel became a nation on May, 14, 1948. And, exactly 70 years later to the day, on May 14, 2018, the U.S. opened its embassy in Jerusalem and the holy city was restored as Israel's capital. Justin was right and we know that the 10 kings and the antichrist will emerge soon followed by the return of the true Christ.

    • @colin4242
      @colin4242 Год назад

      ​@@st.christopher4854 That's just so funny...except you're probably serious.