Who Would Have REALLY Won? Jiraiya vs. Itachi
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I like how the first time Jiraiiya sees amaterasu he just pockets it in a scroll and keeps walking.
RPG vibes right there
Jiraiya isnt reacting to amaterasu and is in genjutsu the moment the fight starts. Itachi stomps
If anyone has a way out of Tsukiyomi, it's Jiraiya. Even if he doesn't, Jiaiya does his homework. If Gai figured out how to not get caught in it so has Jiraiya. Difference is Jiraiya would probably still be able to look at his opponent. I wouldn't say Itachi stomps; that sounds easy whereas every living ninja was afraid oof Jiraiya, not Itachi. I think it's more likely that Itachis own take is the correct one.
@@lahuoftheleaf agree but only if itachi is hunting jiraiya with the intention to kill. If it's the other way around it's way way more even. My guess itachi would be forced to use isinagi blinding one of his eyes.
@@taylormadealpha bro literally none of what you said adds anything to the argument and is all just your own headcanon. Guy trained in taijutsu mastery only, so of course he’d be able to just look at a certain body part and discern that persons movements. While Jiraiya in the other hand doesn’t have that. I get he’s smart but that doesn’t just automatically mean that you make up bs and say he has a counter to genjutsu. If it was never shown then all we can say is he’d probably just look away or something.
I'll tell you one thing. Both Itachi and Jiraiya got a lot more screentime than Tenten.
Lmao 😂😂
LOL
True
EVERYONE, even the cats on the low level missions got more screentime than tenten! Lol meow!
So did Teuchi of ichiraku ramen
Finally someone who puts some love and honor on Jiraiya’s name, he was literally among the most powerful ninja pre-god shit
One mistake that you did is that you count Itachis Kotoamatsukami out. If Itachi is still alive to the point they met in Konoha Shisuis eyes isnt in Naruto yet. That means the strongest form of alive Itachi still has Kotoamatsukami. Also note that Itachi got the real deal, the right eye of Shisui. Compared to Danzo Itachis Kotoamatsukami is an inescapable compulsan command that has the ability to rewrite your whole brain and memories. Also Kotoamatsukami doesnt need direct eye contact as we have seen while Danzo was using it at the five kage meeting on Mifune. Its actually hax enough to call it mind control.
You also need to consider that Itachi is a master strategist. He rarely brute forces his fights. Vs Kakashi and company every move was calculated and they ended up behaving exactly as he expected. Vs Sasuke he forced Orochimaru out just as he planned. Vs Paine he formulated the plan to counter the gravity jutus. Vs Kabuto he figured out how to take down Kabuto when Kabuto thought he had all the answers to counter the Uchiha.
So is Jiraya he is also a strategist. Even though he is not gifted with IQ as Itachi he have more Battle IQ and Experience than him.
@@ebinesvthundupurackal7446 NO he doesnt have more battlw IQ. That literaly one of Itachis greatest strenght its his battle intellect.
but jiraiys is very smart too
@muhammadarmanchoudhury4701
I think Jiraya does have more battle IQ. No one is saying Itachi doesn’t have it either.
People keep forgetting how intelligent Jiraya is. He's arguably the world's greatest teacher. A traveling novelist. Figured out Pain's secret while in the heat of battle. Not to mention, he might be the most well traveled character in all of Naruto giving him much more life experience.
@@forktruckbill9446saigemode Naruto beat the pains exept for the Deva path , Jiraya lost
itachi never fought going all out
Man, hearing "the Gallant Ninja" made me remember the amazing life of Jiraiya and his tragic death - RIP, Pervy Sage
It is my belief that Jiraiya was Itachi’s “handler”. We must remember that while Itachi was in Akatsuki, he was still on a mission for the Leaf, more specifically Hiruzen.
And then there was Jiraiya, who seemed to know a lot about Akatsuki’s inner plan. How did he know this? Itachi.
And with something this sensitive, who can Hiruzen trust. He couldn’t trust Danzo anymore, and did not trust Orochimaru. Tsunade wasn’t psychologically fit for the task. And while he may have been away from the village, Jiraiya was still a Leaf Ninja loyal to Hiruzen. And Hiruzen would have trusted Jiraiya without limit.
Jiraiya and Itachi working together would've made some sense and would also have been real cool. However if they did work together I don't think Jiraiya would've died in his fight with Nagato.
@@Kishimyu why not? One has nothing to do with the other. Nagato never fully revealed himself to Itachi, nor his powers. Just that he had the Rinnegan.
This is a cool theory.
My headcanon was always that Itachi used genjutsu to pass information to Jiraiya. The victim wouldn't remember it and no physical evidence would be left behind. It fits nicely into the reason why Itachi used genjutsu to send a woman to Jiraiya to distract him and fits in well with Jiraiya's other history of using ninja vices as his own tools, such as multiple incidents of using liquor to gain information/accomplish missions. It's also something that could be done without Kisame or anyone else in Akatsuki noticing and being suspicious of given his ability to cast a genjutsu with just a finger.
Makes even more sense when you consider that Tsukuyomi would allow Itachi to have hours-long debriefing sessions in complete privacy with no way of interrupting.
He's on a mission, Jiraiya shows up, they pretend to fight for a while and then Itachi casts Tsukuyomi. He tells Jiraiya everything he needs to pass on, then releases him and acts all surprised that Jiraiya's still standing after getting hit with it. He then acts all fatigued from using his Mangekyou ability and withdraws, and no one ever knows what he did.
Jiraiya is a consequence of the show losing its power scaling as the series went along. What were incredible feats when he fought against Nagato can now be compared to the Juubi, Obito, Madara or Naruto and Sasuke themselves. It also doesn't help that Jiraiya vs Nagato was one of the last few fights where the series tried to make the fights about strategy and guile, not just beam spamming. This means his feats aren't as impressive as they would have been had he been around during the 4th Great Ninja War.
Just look at Itachi himself: in his battle against Sasuke he relied on only one Amaterasu, one Tsukuyomi, a few smaller jutsu and finally Susanoo. Compare this to his fighter against Kabturo, where he was spamming Susanoo, Amaterasu, regular jutsu, kenjutsu, Izanami, etc. I just don't think you can make an objective comparison that way.
That's why he was mainly taking alive Itachi into consideration. Edo tensei Itachi could spam anything and everything because not only he wasn't dying anymore, he could sacrifice his sharingan due to this being his last fight. And if he was ever brought back, his eye would probably be fine.
We shouldn't be using Edo tensei people to scale, due to infinite chakra and no real consequences of straining your body
he was literally reanimated in the fight against kabuto
His fight against Kabuto was as an Edo Tensei though, so he didn’t have any illness and his chakra reserve was basically infinite.
You really typed this in a reality where. The whole war is about multiple strats being tried and tested to kill all the foes. Someone didnt really read Naruto. Here's a prime example of how foolish you sound:
After Naruto makes his way to every battlefield he fights Sandaime. The cloud ninja that uses rubber informs everyone that Wind release is the ONLY release to stop Sandaime long enough to seal him. Temari and her subordinates try a combined wind grid to stop him. This works, but not significantly enough to seal him.
Naruto appears and tries the rasenshuriken. First tries to gauge his speed by launching it at him, then throwing it at him. Naruto uses his leap as the window to retrieve the thrown rasenshuriken and slams it into him. But this also isn't sufficient enough to stop Sandaime. Naruto notices the scar and asks the rubber ninja. When and how he got that scar. Gyuuki gives him a few details on when the scar appeared to his knowledge. Naruto decides instead of KCM, he will use Sage Mode because he can feel the needle like lightning chakra through the senjutsu in the air.
In a high speed dash Naruto repositions his body and hits his arm to make Sandaime recreate the scenario where he got the scar. Naruto explains to the rubber ninja. Based on what Gyuuki said; he inferred Sandaime got the scar, by falling on his own attack. Thus he recreated those circumstances with the rasengan.. This is literally a strategy akin to part 1. Like making Zabuza take his arm out of the water prison.
And the whole war is literally stuff like this over and over again.
@@AMAZIAH Would this be the same Naruto who just spammed a few dozen clones using Kurama's chakra and who is spamming Rasengans, Rasenshurikens and variants of this with every single clone?
You mean that beam-spamming Naruto?
Dude, I never said there's no more strategy involved in Naruto, but if you are going to argue that Naruto doesn't up the beam spamming after Pain then you're delusional. If you're going to tell me that there's no difference between Jiraiya vs Nagato and Itachi vs Kabuto in terms of high-taxing jutsu they spam then you're an idiot.
Great Video . Few things though. #1. It was never stated as a child that Itachi suffered from low stamina/ low charka. These things only became an issue after he would spam his sharingan. #2 He did not suffer from a charka aliment his entire life. It didn't start until after he joined the Akatsuki.
I'd like to add that reanimated itachi is not his strongest form as reanimation itachi still nerfed by stat loss due to his illness an died with as a walking corpse as a body meaning he was literally 1/ 2 strength / stamina / Chakra/speed but the time of his death meaning he was reanimated with that same body stat not his healthy stats . An his reanimated form was 90% with all his prior nerfs before death as we all know you are revived with the body an stats you died with prime example hiruzen. So itachi literally fought kcm Naruto, bee, nagato an kaboto with 90%reanimated power an 1/2 stat nerf due to illness an was better than all of them even with that nerf
He's using after he joined the Akatsuki because that was when Itachi was at his strongest.
@@hikosama7321are you trying to say that reanimated Itachi going toe to toe with kcm1 Naruto in speed was with half his speed then he was twice as fast as kcm1 1 Naruto when he was alive? Which also means he was more than twice as fast as the 4th Raikage when he was alive whilst the 4th was the fastest person alive before kcm1 Naruto? We also all know that reanimated Shinobi have unlimited chakra, healing and everything that's why Nagato was able to fight fully healthy when reanimated whilst he couldn't fight when he was alive because he was very weak
@mereal5331 wow it amazes me how yall understand nothing an just base things on nonsense. Let me explain .
The only time we saw itachi at 100% in his life was in his light novel before og Naruto an shippuden. In shippuden an og Naruto he was already fucking nerfed do you understand that ? So we never saw anything close to what his prime was do you understand that? Why because he was given the fuck you disease from kishimoto because he was to strong logically meaning if he was used properly without a rigged plot he would just kill everyone with just his brain like how he defeated all pains hax by destroying the visual link an multiple rennigans with just a smoke bomb an a fucking shuriken jutsu lol . Reanimated itachi is itachi when he died with refilling Chakra an a body that can be healed from new injuries but not old ones proof nagato still couldn't use his legs when he was reanimated until he sucked bees Chakra an regained his life force then he was able to use his legs . Meaning it doesn't cure itachis illness or all the fucking nerfs he went through before reanimation do you understand that ? Meaning he still a walking corpse just with an immortal body that is no longer affected by his sickness nut it doesn't cure the damage of the sickness prior to reanimation an there a multiple people that faced this problem apart from itachi an nagato like hiruzen prime example he was the god of shinobi but was reanimated as an old man not in his prime so he is still nerfed by old age ect . If yall understand nothing just shut up please
@@hikosama7321 nothing says you're strength when reanimated is cut in half
We need a spinoff on Jiraiya's early life.
i hope the minato spinoff has a lot of jiraiya
Nah, we already know about his life and it's not that interesting
I really don't need a recap of the beginning of Naruto. 😒🤣
Lol we already know it it would be pointless
You borderline got it... We know a ton about Jiraiyas life
I commend Jiraiya for even being able to contend with a prodigy from what is arguably the strongest hybrid clan. He does pretty well, considering he's just a "normal" - not being blessed with genetic advantage from the "gods" and all that.
might guy vs jiraya :D, how about that :D ?
@@illidan155 I guess Guy is even less "gifted" - or I should say privileged-than Jiraiya since he wasn't trained by a "god of shinobi" yet he ended up surpassing Jiraiya in raw power and speed.
"Guts get the last say every time." - Might Guy
Not everyone is blessed to be a sage tho.
@@illidan155 guy destroys with 8th gate
@@rainierterucha8907who cares about sage mode, uchiha can alter reality. Itachi can literally allow reality to happen where he “loses” just to stab jiraya in his back at the sacrifice of his eye. The fact this wasn’t a bigger thing in the plot shows how the uchiha are literally unstoppable with the MS
One of Itachi's most underrated jutsu in my opinion is the Exploding Shadow Clone. We only got to see it once in the show but it's awesome! Although, Jiraiya could probably sense that it was different while in Sage mode..
I also agree and having perfect charkra control not even kakashi could tell the real one and he had his eye uncovered
aint no one jiraiya can beat anyone by putting his hands together for 5 minutes straight like wtf is that shit lmao the only reason he did it against pain because he was fighting the summoning path and all that pain can do is summon and the area jiraiya was in he was able to run through a lot of pipe holes where pain summoning couldnt reach because they were all to big that jiraiya sage mode bs is overlooked everyone ignores this factor
@@Violate..That's why he had ma and pa in his shoulders lmao. They gather the energy while he runs around. Did you watch the video?
I mean, if hes able to tank hits from Naruto, Tsunade, Guy and the Pains, he'd probably be able to tank an explosion as well.
Kakashi copied this jutsu but only used lighting nature (itachi fire). We see it against Obito. Konan during the attack of the leaf village used many times Exploding Shadow Clone and it must be said that she targeted where her clones flew into the opponent
Actually if you read about the Food Cart Destruction technique(2nd Databook pg.212), Jiraiya can summon the toad at any height and add force to it to make it seem as if the toad fell from hundreds of meters above instantaneously. That means he can summon a toad an inch above the head of a target and have the toad hit with the force of a 100+ ton bomb and speed of a bullet just by clapping his hands together.
Can easily be blocked by the yata mirror tho..
@@r0kkusu128 Actually it can't because it's instantaneous.
This is the Sage mode hokage naruto needs. Back in shippuden, Kurama blocked Ma & Pa from merging with Naruto’s chakra network. Now that kurama is gone. I would like to see Naruto master that sage mode even further.
honestly he could just have shadow clones transform-fuse to his body to achieve the same effect while having access to all the chakra the clones would have
Kuruma literally stopped blocking toads in war arc, this is why kcm2 sage mode is a thing
Aside from Kabuto who was cheating and maybe Hashirama, Naruto has the best version of Sage mode in the series. If Naruto gets a graft from Juugo that let him absorb natural energy automatically, his version would have been broken to all hell.
@@deafmole9974 true, but now that kurama is no longer available for naruto. Kcm2 doesn’t exist currently. After naruto is unsealed in boruto, I’d like to see him using ma and pa in a similar way to jiraiya.
@@dominiccampbell181 currently in boruto, Naruto has been sealed away. I’d like to see him take his sage mode to a different level now that kurama is no longer available to him. Maybe we will see him learn something like that.
I think it comes down to Jiraiya is shown to have insane endurance and modeling his abilities to weakening his opponent over time such as the Oil on Konan, whereas Itachi has a lot of instant win conditions. If Jiraiya can prolong the battle he wins if Itachi connects a hit he wins.
I think you're right and I also think that if Itachi wants to connect he's going to connect. He's was a pretty much broken character... Besides people being unable to die and that can endlessly regenerate... Itachi stood above all. Itachi never lost a fight. He wanted to lose and if you lose because that's your plan, that's still winning in your mind
Itachi wins this fight low diff
@@Bjjboxing under what pretext does he win low diff. What feats or statements scale him that much higher than Jiraiya
@@Toomss he defeated orochimaru in two seconds literally and orochimaru is considered to be the strongest of the three Sanin.
@@Toomss what feats does jiraiya have to say he wins. What fights has jiraiya ever won. Itachi actually won all of his battles he was shown in. No one has defeated him in combat. Who has jiraiya actually defeated?
By far the best breakdown of this fight on the internet. I like how you pushed your love for itachi to the side and looked at it objectively
Me too. Itachi fans are so annoying. I like Itachi as well but I’m realistic.
I love both Jiraiya and Itachi but Itachi wins this low diff, he one shot Orochimaru as a 14 year old, and Orochi is relative to Jiraiya. Itachi just scales way farther above Sanin level.
@@donovan4222stop glazing
@@yvesjoassaint6238 You are gobbling that Jiraiya meat
@@donovan4222 Itachi even said it would be hard to take on jiriya you’re glazing hard
I've only started to watch your videos for a while now, and I gotta say bro, you give some of the best explanations and logic behind whatever you say. And that's saying something because I watch channels like Anime Balls Deep, Naruto Explained, The Amagi, and more. Thumbs up to you bro, you just earned a sub and a noti bell hit. Keep coming up with more great content like this one.
Something I'd personally want you to cover is 'could Kakashi beat the young Gara'
Jiraiya sealing amateratsu and saying he’ll study it later, then Kajin Koji being able to summon real fire later in Boruto is some kinda nod I’m sure
Okay I'm not gonna lie, usually I don't follow a lot of people randomly, but the quality of your content, as well as the effort you put into your videos are making me come back every time you upload now for the past idk two weeks. You deserve a sub, my guy. Especially the way you tell the stories and theories, and your energy, love to see more. Keep up the good work!
Honestly when I 1st saw his channel I was like "not another Naruto RUclipsr" then he randomly was just the best anime RUclipsr lol
He’s pretty good, follow his other page too. He’s not quite as sharp about other anime as Naruto but he’s no less entertaining. I wouldn’t mind if he stopped with the clickbait titles but that’s really the only complaint.
Yeah he does that
@Ken Wehrheim he's not quite so sharp in naruto. Thank God he doesn't do debates, it be embarrassing to watch
@@dragondrakage2402 no one is going to get things right 100% of the time and debates are cringe as fuck so the only way not to embarrass yourself is not to do them. So that seems like a point in Nick’s column.
I was here when u had 15k now u almost 600k congratulations bro
I think one of Itachi's strongest assets is his ability to judge his opponents and the combat conditions, which if he needs a win he would definitely manipulate advantageously or simply disengage. I think Itachi would be very aware of everything talked about in this video, and plan accordingly. The same is true for Jiraiya. So it would come down to a stealth assassination type hit I think and I believe Jiraiya is at a disadvantage to things like distractions (women/sake) that Itachi just doesn't partake in.
That's interesting, but your assumption that Jiraiya could be distracted depends on whether he's on mission or not. We see him put down the distractions and focus plenty of times, so I think this point only carries if Itachi starts before Jiraiya knows there's going to be a fight.
@@Themohr that is fair, Jiraiya is not a Sanin for no reason. So the conditions of the battle is incredibly important to the outcome.
In that case, Itachi would sense his loss and flee the battle as we have seen before in this match-up.
but he said the situation would be them just sent to kill eachother, neither of them are getting distracted😭 u not hear that part ah jiraiya having the most missions done? when he wants to get something done it gets done
@@austinbtw8712 they are both professionals. And damn good ones. I was just trying to find and edge or weakness that might be exploited. The show demonstrates that is a weakness of his just like the chakra sickness is Itachi’s both are exploitable.
Hey nick did u notice how Jiraiya took a sample of Amaterasu and sealed it to study later when he found fire that could burn even fire itself (the toads stomach they were inside was basically burning hotter than fire according to jiraiya) and in boruto his clone summons the fire that burns endlessly and cannot be absorbed to fight jigen/ishikki I just like the idea that he actually studied it and found his own method to basically use Amaterasu instead of just a forgotten detail in naruto it shows that almost everything in naruto has meaning and has been planned long before we even see clues about it🎉
Nope, he sealed the real fire so it couldn’t be as ninjutsu. Amaterasu is a ninjutsu, uniqe one but ninjutsu.
@@krzysiekb852 so does this invalidate everything this reply says? It’s such great detail
You are legitimately a blessing to the Naruto community. Keep up the work please bro
he is kinda wrong with many topics
@@mihaimercenarul7467 how
He is terrible ranking the powers
As both a jiraiya fanboy and an itachi fanboy, I approve. I don’t think I ever really realized how OP jiraiya really was though lol
He's not, at least not compared to itachi. While he's among the strongest in the verse pre 6 paths, he's a step below the actual top of the verse
@@dragondrakage2402no he’s pretty op like Itachi 😂😂😂
@jasonmoukala8909 sure that's why he was getting bodied by pain with help...
@@jasonmoukala8909 unless you mean op like over priced
@@dragondrakage2402 help? Those are his summonings. Also he beat 3 pains with zero intel with barely a scratch. Pain even said he might’ve lost of Jiraya knew the secret
I just subscribed and man is this content mint 👌
I've always loved the strategy associated around toad sage jutsu. Though my biggest gripe is the fact that I too really do believe Jiraya's incomplete sage mode is in fact the superior form. Not because it's incomplete but for that very reason you've mentioned. It covers up it's own short comings in that sage jutsu chakra is continuously drawn upon while moving!!!
Now Naruto and Minato achieve a complete toad sage mode, but that doesn't negate the biggest weakness in that the sage chakra is limited by a certain period of time. Granted Jiraya is aided by ma and pa, but that is inherently an extension of his own abilities base value and greater!
Imagine if Minato and/or Naruto did that?! Now true we see Naruto use shadow clones to bridge this issue and Minato quite frankly would have his means and methods to bridge that issue too. But in NO way does anything they can do reach the same conclusions of Jiraya's sage mode.
Again he has the aided combination of ma and pa, but to remain mobile with the added skills of the two elder sages and incorporate ones own sage power? It's lethal. And the possibilities of utilisation of toad sage mode/jutsu is IMO limitless.
Certainly in the case of this video though, Jiraya vs Itachi? Well in terms of the reality of the stories scenario. Bith itachi and Kisame doubted they could walk away freely. A stalemate it would in fact be. Why? Itachi's companion in Kisane makes us for Itachi's own shirt comings of a drawn out battle. But kisame's use of stealing chakra would also be limited in the face of when Sage mode comes into play. After all a shark/toad hybrid stone statue is a very real issue that Kisame would HAVE to avoid at all costs. He'd quickly learn of this issue by keeping his distance but still be in a bind out of not understanding the odd chakra at play.
Jiraya's own handicap is his own priority in Naruto. His role to protect and keep naruto safe puts him in equally just as much as a bind as the longevity issue that Itachi possess'.
In turn a drawn out fight for both parties would not be the goal here. Neither would hold back and neither would in fact win. It would have been in most part a stalemate
I'm glad that it wasn't a definitive answer. Because I honestly think it could go either way and just depends on the situations of the battle.
Yes, the floor is made of floor
more like if he gave an definite answer the people would fry him alive
@Amey Ghatol I mean yeah the people that strongly believe one or the other would win probably would. But I personally wouldn't, I think you could argue for either one of them winning under the right circumstances.
@@theanystrom2882 yes, the floor is made out of floor
Itachi wins its not close
Jiraiya has really good hype statements and lack luster showings. But I think the statements about his battle prowess were legit THE AUTHOR TELLING us how powerful Jiraiya is supposed to be. Power scalers shit on him so much that people think he's weak. But that's not implied in the narrative.
(Look at the army of angry power scalers who didn't even read my whole comment and decided to reply) 🤣
Jiraiya is weak compare to other characters, he’s a good lovable character. but Itachi stomps
Bro almost got oneshot by four-tailed Naruto. The only reason he was suggested as the Hokage was because there were no good options.
@@lahuoftheleaf Anyone who has sage mode cannot be considered weak. Anyone who has run the fade in two wars and came out a legend is not weak. Anyone who can withstand a beat down from Tsunade is not weak.
Who are you comparing him to my guy.
@@thermophile1695 You obviously do not know what one-shot is or you never watched the fight between Jiriaya and Naruto or you just don't know what holding back means.
@@ikeboykins121
Do you think a vague 'holding back' makes up the difference between four tailed part 1 Naruto and kcm Naruto? Itachi was weakened by edo tensei when he was on even footing with him.
what the heck, i thought weeb commander was ur main channel, this freakin awesome
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- Jiraiya taught Naruto the Rasengan and summoning Jutsu!
- Itachi gave Sasuke the Amaterasu and Poking Forehead no Jutsu!
Jiraiya passed down the researchgan to Naruto, too bad he never uses it
@Crackerjack itachi literally put amatersasu in sasukes eye. and his eye turned into itachis eye and shot amaterasu at obito and hit him
@Crackerjack it doesnt matter why he did it. the point is he did do it.
Itachi as a kid was just something special! I mean went through the forest of death alone and come out the fastest without M.S
The sharingan is still op even without ms. Kakashi showed that you can counter techniques you don’ know by copying. At base all you need is for them to look you in the eyes for the genjutsu to work. It’s also a recon tool that can see chakra so ambushes won’t work against him since he knows where you’re hiding. It’d be a surprise if he didn’t come out of it fast, considering how stacked the odds are for him compared to other people.
Itachi washed Orochimaru easily, while Jiraiya lost to Orochimaru every time.
Thing about that is .....jiraiya probably was fighting defensively like naruto in his final battle against sasuke. And since there r so many parallels between team 7 and the 3 sannins....that is probably true
Jirya had a big heart and would never go all in always pulled punches vs his childhood friend
Don't judge it that way because Itachi wouldn't go as far fighting the six paths of pain...it's mostly a comparison of move sets...some move sets are just good against others...like might gai, sharingan users cannot put him in genjutsu
Ur naruto content is flawless and the effort doesnt go unnoticed and is opposed by nun definitely deserve to take the place of “swagkage” keep it up bro
Bruh swagkage is still the goat bruh
There's a few flaws and mistakes he's made.
The Glazing is crazy 💀
He actually stated that he was too lazy to master sage mode and the way Jiraiya used sage mode is actually the way they like to use sage mode so it wont run out because ma and pa draws the chakra for you
10:21 - Naruto did figure out how to get Sage chakra while moving. That was the point of his Shadow Clones in reserve. And even still, in Boruto, he's able to get into Sage mode relatively at the same speed as Hashirama, as seen in the Momoshiki and Isshiki fights.
he does not use sage mode in those fights bt ok
@@watermonke doesn't he have the toad slits though?
@@watermonke check his eyes...he does
@@watermonkehes using six paths sage mode
@@kIDNEYKid-xt9uc thats so6p mode, not normal toad sage mode
I think you nailed this one. I see no problems here
that was actually a fair take very good job man
9:51 jiraiya didn't have enough time to master his sage mode because he was constanly going to mission & he spent very little time in senjutsu training
He actually had a lot of time from the time he was a genin to his teen years. There’s actually a montage of him balancing on the spike in different ages of his life
What missions? Bro spent his time writing his books and trying to find out who the prophet was and he only met 3 kids tat could’ve been the child
@@NTW_dezani what I said that is directly told by fukasaku himself to Naruto why jiraiya was an imperfect sage
@@NTW_dezanihe goes on mission as a genius. This is what we heard from PA toad sage
Lol hes been keep saying "Itachi could only use his MS for three times a day"
Meanwhile how many times he used his MS abilities aginst Sasuke?? Susanoo twice, Amaterasu twice, Tushukimi once while he was dying.
Yeah, but he was ready to die. It's different.
Itachi when dying, coughing blood and almost blind (while holding back) spammed Amaterasu. First to eat away Sasuke's fireball and then spammed so hard that the entire surrounding area was covered in black flames. Used Tsukuyomi ones. Fire Ball twice, Genjutsu battle, Crow clone, Susanoo once to block Kirin and the second time a larger armored version to defeat a Sannin who was using his strongest form (Hydra form) and had it long enough (for an entire chapter) until he died
@@BrunoFrancaA lol I think people always downplay sick Itachi's chakra pools, just look at his fight against Sasuke. While he was dying what he was able to do.. not only he was talking on Sasuke but also Orichimaru.
It's only Itachi during Leaf village attack he uses "I can't use my MS for today" statements, only Itachi was saying "we can't take on Jyriya" while this guy and all Jyriya fans take that as gospel.
Meanwhile they overlook the power scalping.. Orichimaru said himself he's no match for sick Itachi, Kisame was 8 tales Bees level. You really think two of them couldn't take on Jyriya??
"But but but Pain said if only Jyriya knew his secret he would have defeated Pain bro" 😂😂😂
@@RahulKumar-ey9xl exactly.. only Itachi started saying "he couldn't use his MS again for the day" while running from leaf village, people tend to forget that Itachi just needed excuse to not fight the leaf. Even Kisame scales to is 8th tale Bee. You telling me two of them couldn't take on Jyriya?? 😂😂😂
Remember that he got sick before that fight on purpose.
Even weakened by edo tensei, he was on par with kcm Naruto, while Jiraya got one-shot by four-tailed part 1 naruto.
Big fan here with a possible video idea would love to hear your thoughts on what if the other squads fought zabuza and Haku on the bridge
I have to admit this is one of the most well presented arguments when it comes to this particular matchup. Most people tend to make quotes from the series which are coming from the best actor in the series.
been waiting for this
Fr, I just started the video but I already know it’s gonna be hood classic
Btw congratulations on first comment. There is no prize. The prize is the journey itself and lessons learned along the way.
My head canon on chakra reserves of Jiraiya and Minato: They're from the hidden leaf. The senju clan disbanded but still stayed in the village, often using other surnames. It is entirely possible that the parents or grandparents of Jiraiya and Minato are indeed Senju or part Senju. I don't think he ever mentions this lol
Since during Jiraiyas youth there were a lot of Senjus still in the Village it would make sense that he’d be a Senju. Considering he’s strong body, strength, as well as huge Chakra reserves it would make sense that he would be a Senju.
@@babygurleatsshickennuggits4201 that b weird considering he'd be into his cousin then
@@dragondrakage2402 not that wierd in clans and family bloodlines
look at royal families in english history
2nd cousin and farther away usually was considered fine
same for japanese history with lords, shoguns and others alike
@@quietguyjosh4643 yeah, key word being royalty. When they prioritized higher status of blood. Something u don't see for ninjas in naruto
@@dragondrakage2402 clans yeah
literally the hyuga clan does this exact thing
before naruto + hinata happened every other marriage was within the clan to maintain bloodline purity
Dude. You know your stuff. I also like the One Piece material you make. Keep it up. People are going to talk regardless. 💯🔥
1 thing left out is that to break genjutsu you only need to disrupt your Chakra. Yes having someone else with you is the easiest way, but remember jiraiya knew how to do it alone and taught it to Naruto, Naruto tried it when we faced itachi but it didn't work, but I'd have to believe jiraiya would had been better at it than Naruto. This fight would had been so interesting
But Tsukuyomi isn't your normal genjutsu. In a split second he can make you live 80 years in the realm. If he's able to land Tsukuyomi even for a second, Jiraiya is absolutely dead.
@@joshuabryant9845that's a problem if somebody else is supposed to break you out. But since you were trapped within it already then you have a lot of time to break out meanwhile only a fraction of a second has passed in real life.
@@richhornie7000 You can't break yourself out of Tsukiyomi. If you could, Kakashi would have done it.
What you're talking about is the generic way of breaking genjutsu (kakashi knows how to do it as well and taught Sakura), it's not a secret technique.
However, it has been explicitely stated in the manga that you need the sharingan to break tsukuyomi. The generic way doesn't work.
@sundnido8517 generic? It's literally the only way unless you can reference another? Secret??? Where did you get that from? I recall Itachi saying it's true that if one possess the sharingan they can resist genjustsu more never seen your last claim to need a sharingan can you reference it?
While I appreciate the breakdown and your knowledge, when it comes to Naruto, I believe that you don’t take into consideration, Itachi speed in using the T blade and I think that you are jumping out the window when you think that Jay man will be able to just not look at Itachi, but still be incredibly efficient in this fight I don’t think there’s a single page in the manga where we’ve seen somebody fight, an uchiha without looking at them and survived the closest thing we had is madara and Sasuke. Was also being a bit disingenuous is acting as if Jay man will start off in sage mode. It takes Jayman a while to access sage mode. What is stopping Itachi from pointing at him, putting him in genjutsu and either T blading him, or just cutting his head completely off before she has a chance to break out of it. As far as the comments Payne said about Jayman I think that was just a reference for his former teacher because I can’t think of any way if he fought all five paths of pain at the same time he would be able to win. In fact, I think he would be outright destroyed.
agreed
Facts Naruto had perfect sage mode and still struggled with more help on top of that
Itachi stomps jiraiya idk how he thinks otherwise
Regular genjutsu won’t work on Jiraiya. Only Tsukuyomi will.
And he explained why tsukuyomi won’t work
@@afrofree4950 he’s wrong there there is no evidence that jiraiya is immune to all genjutsu all genjutsu are not created equal and sharingan genjutsu is different than regular genjutsu. Now I’m not arguing that he wouldn’t be able to potentially figure out how to escape thats a different discussion, but not even ochi was immune or could escape and I’m sure he has a better understanding on how genjutsu works than jiraiya let not be ridiculous
"Every single jutsu has a weakness. You just have to find it." *- Itachi Uchiha*
With Itachi's move set Jiraiya would be weak at close range combat. If Itachi immediately takes the initiative Jiraiya would have a hard time defending and effectively using his jutsu.
Thank you for fighting back against the Jiraiya slander Nick.
Itachi wins, his amaterasu is not easy to counter, it could kill the toads easily and if hit jiraya he is gone, his hair would burn from amaterasu and I don't think it is reasonable to say that he could seal it while being burned, his only option is dodging it. Regarding the Totsuka blade, it probably seals anything it hits, including the toads and possibly also the weapons, it is not a normal physical sword, it is almost like a magical sword, in that sense it only can be dodged not blocked.
One thing you failed to consider. Do you think Itachi is smart enough to realize Jiraya is weak to the Pervy Jutsu, and do you think he's too prideful to use such a technique ?
Where’s the Sasuke tattoo my boy? You promised lmao
He has someone holding his head💀
@@Cyrax4d lmao really? Maybe I missed it.
There’s a vid it’s killua In Godspeed holding sasukes decaped head
@@KūshoShijin that’s actually pretty sick😭I need to go watch it
While swamp of the underworld would be an issue for susanoo, senpo goemon would be much worse because itachi can't absorb it and if he lets down the susanoo he will be incinerated
Bruh can combat that with a big fireball Justu
Wow great video!!
i’ve always struggled with this fight, i slightly edge itachi due to his genjutsu, and to argue your point to Kakashi knowing not to look into his eyes, he more than likely knew from being in the anbu with itachi so there’s no guarantee jiraya would know not to look and in the hallway of the hotel he literally stared into itachi’s eys
Kakashi got caught in Tsukuyomi anyways
@@balavishnuraju631 looool
The uchiha are leaf ninja and jiraiya was around decades before the massacre. He should know the basics the dojutsu
Dude, Jiraya can fight without seeing. Guy just senses stuff inside his bubble. He wins easily as soon as edgy sick boi runs out of steam.
@@Magnvincenthe might know the basics but the tsukyomi is only available to Itachi due to the mangekyo sharingan, which jiraiya most likely had no idea about as only Madara, Obito, shisui, and itachi unlocked the ms before jiraiya died (possibly fugaku as well) so almost no one would have any knowledge of how to fight against that and it's seen pretty often that people don't know how to fight itachi at all, even kakashi who also has a sharingan.
Why... didn't Jiraya ever use the sealed Amateratsu? He basically has a poor mans MS ability. He can throw it, realease it, it burns his opponent, he seals it back up, rinse and repeat.
Great vid! But, what did you call the sage toad mountain? 😂
I love that you covered this fight, it's been so highly debated for years lol. My one question is would it still be close if both Kisame AND itachi were able to jump him or would he get annihilated?
i honestly think kisame wouldnt even be aknowledge hahaha
@@user-sg2es3jo6ikisame that beat killer B wouldn't be a factor in this fight? Base Jirayia loses to Kisame easily.
@@markrobs2954 ... Kisame won against Killer B because of his Sword ... but his sword would be the thing that would kill him against jirayia ...
Sword aginst B -> Giga Boosted Kisame from Hachibi Chakra ...
Sword against Jirayia -> Kisame becomes a Stone Toad and dies ...
Man this is why I love your videos and recommend them to any anime/Naruto fans. because no matter who you have a bias for, your takes are so objective and the videos really show off your second only to Kishimito level of Naruto knowledge!
Jiraya almost got one-shot by a four-tailed Naruto, meanwhile Orochimaru was laughing when he fought him.
Remember how Orochimaru did against Itachi? Itachi was about to drop from exhaustion and he still mopped the floor with him.
It's like putting Kimmimaro against tenten.
If his knowledge is second only to kishimoto, then he omits or leaves out context of a lot of stuff in his videos. Like he keeps saying jiraiya fought pain, and yet hiraiya got the daylights beat out of him by said pain. Hell, jiriaya was losing against 3 pains
@@dragondrakage2402 he wasnt losing to 3 lol not sure we watched the same fight. Jiraiya fought konan, 5-7 of pains summonings, AND 3 paths simmultaniously. Defeats the 3 paths, 1 of them twice btw. In enemy territory with no intel. Drops his guard as he thinks he's done. Then got surprissed attacked by all 6. Then pains after killing him proceeds to state in both anime and manga, that he wouldve lost had jiraiya known his ability.
Itachi lost to no ms sasuke O.o thats like the weakest sasuke in shippuden lmao. Itachi put kakashi under tsukuyomi and had to be carried by kisame after 🤣 dude has practically no chakra. Thats his weakness and that is preciselywhy he wouldnt beat jiraiya. Every strong uchina has lost to a dude with alot of chakra and itachi def isnt the exeption here xD
but he got several things wrong in the video, i love his vids too but to say he is second only to kishimoto on knowledge on this topic is a bit of a stretch
@Apologize, that you were born into my world iyachi threw the fight with Sasuke. If u dint know that much, go back and rewatch the series
I KNOOOOW you did not just make this video! Can't wait to watch the whole thing 😊
That "please for me" gets me everytime
I live for the edits when they start with young Naruto/Sasuke and go through all the fights which is badass when it's done right
Weird I can't see the reply
Itachi fanboys will say Itachi no diff
Fax
Hot take, I don't like itachi. Please don't come at me in the comments.
Bc he does duh
@@aLittlebbean he used to be my favorite character, but after his backstory, he’s just a dead weight he served his purpose and I smiled when he died
@@aLittlebbean i won't
And I won't debate
What if Itachi after the Uchiha massacre, not only put Shisui’s volunteered eye in his face, but also stole back the one Danzo stole. Like maybe Itachi put him in genjutsu when he was threatening him before he left. Anyway, how do you think the story as a whole could be different if Itachi received Shisuis eyes and got dual EMS at 13?
It would be a different show my guy lol
We don’t even know if that would work considering we only saw people get the EMS from the eyes of there brother
It’s funny how this mf gave jaraiya every high ball and itatchi every low ball argument in this match up 🤣🤣 then tried using the tattoo like that means there’s no way he could ever be biased 🤣🤣
9:09 imagine being this toad trying to diet and people keep popping up in his stomach lol
Naruto could absolutely mould senjutsu chakra mid battle, he had remote clones do it, sometimes even kurama clones…
Nick, if Suna and the Land of Wind’s borders touch the coast on their eastern border, what would happen if they’d used that coastal land to develop a fishing economy they could export to the smaller villages that comprise its border with Konoha? What would happen if their Daimyo chose to expand that rather than cutting the funding to the Hidden Sand?
I felt that “I love him” part lol that’s my guy
The whiplash between "I love him, okay?" to "Get out of my comments!" absolutely killed me. 🤣🤣🤣
Idk man, but I don’t think learning the rasengan at this point be considered a feat, I mean everyone that’s tried in the anime has been able to 😂 actually seems to be getting easier the later we get
No I just realized.. the uchiha are the strongest clan in the leaf
But the senju ...they are the leaf
I think with itachi's reactions the mud thing jiraiya does wouldn't affect him, to be honest imo itachi has too many one-shot win conditions against jiraiya, which in this video have been nullified by saying "jiraya knows about them" but if we apply the same to itachi knowing about jiraiya's abilities, with the big arsenal of abilities, battle iq, one-shot win conditions, and reactions itachi has, i'd definetly say itachi wins, , remember itachi has many jutsu other than the ones mentioned in this vid, jiraiya has to take time to seal amaterasu, and this vid takes for granted jiraiya being able to even have the time to do the sage mode and prep stuff in the battle, i personally would say it's 6/10 in itachi's favor.
Question.
Remember when Team Guy had to fight exact copies of themselves while on some Akatsuki-Hunt (if I remember correctly)?
Yeah. Why not use that against anyone else?
Like, imagine Konoha having obtained a seal like this and reverse engineered it.
Could have used it against anyone threatening the leaf really.
Could have been handy in a fight against Nagato / Pain.
Would have been smart if said Akatsuki actually would have used it on naruto during the invasion.
Would have been a good tool against Sasuke at the 5 Kage summit as well.
Not counting Madara here, he'd probably know about it somehow and reverse it so that the ninja alliance have to fight 2 Madaras.
But, am I missing some important aspect?
Can these seals only be "so powerful"? Is there a limit?
Why weren't these used anymore?
There'd even be a strong argument for them to be used in Boruto (haven't watched it though, so if they do reappear please let me know!)
Just don’t think about it man.
I always assumed that was some genjutsu trap or something that team guy couldn't break out of because they were split up.
Very refreshing to see a breakdown with a grounded realistic interpretation of an Uchiha (especially Itachi) instead of them being jerked off for 20+ mins. Another good point to bring up concerning the Yata mirror; it mimics the same element being fired at it, but how would it react to senjutsu enhanced non-elemental techniques? Just another bit of foo for thought. Excellent vid man! 😁
Remember this the same Itachi who was SICK and did not have a ETERNAL MAGEKEYO SHARIGAN or a COMPLETE SUSANO.
@@shadowslayer9988 That doesn't negate the fact that this is still the strongest version of non-edo Itachi. The only times where we see him not sick is in edo and leading up to the Uchia massacre. Using edo Itachi would be unfair bc of the unlimited chakra and using massacre Itachi is obviously unfair as well.
@@shadowslayer9988 but no diff the guy at 13 who was relative to jiraiya lol
Bro, jiraiya is literally not even close to Itachi's level. We saw itachi beat orocimaru twice instantly and the second time itachi was literally seconds away from dying while orocimaru was in his most powerful State yet itachi just no diffed him. We also know that jiraiya nearly died to 4 tails Naruto. Meanwhile orocimaru was dying (his body was at the end of its cycle and he would soon need a new one) and fought an even stronger version of said Naruto.
I love jiraiya but he would get bodied by any version of itachi once he unlocked the mangekyo sharingan.
Edo Itachi + MS + Armored Susanoo > Minato Sage Mode > Jiraya perfect Sage Mode >>> Itachi + MS + Armored Susanoo
Itachi without Susanoo >>> Orochimaru > Jiraya without Sage Mode
This is the best jiraiya vs itachi debate ever u did this well bro, the only prob jiraiya will have is the susano and u mentioned a very good counter for it
They both played a big role in Naruto's life.
People say that Kishimoto didn't want to have Jiraiya in the war arc was because it would be too devastating for Naruto,
Well, I think that's just one reason. An overpowered Jiraiya would be too much to handle anyway.
I think a guy who almost got one-shot by four tailed part 1 Naruto really isn't anything to worry about in the war.
He would have gotten dispelled
Jiraiya is trash and wouldve gotten dealt with
He would've helped, but the alliance was losing, badly. It took a 100 kcm naruto clones to turn the tide of the war.
(Might be an over embellishment on the amount if kcm clones, but u get the idea)
@@thermophile1695 Jiraiya wasn’t trying to hurt Naruto. You have to be dumb
I agree with your analysis, however I am also surprised to see such conclusions reached by an Itachi fan. Kudos for your unbiased analysis, sir!
Good video.
Additonal points.
1. You're making an assumption that just because Kakashi knew not to look into Itachi's eyes, Jiraiya would as well. However Orochimaru clearly didn't know and he more than anyone has studied the Uchiha and their abilities. This is also supported by the fact that when Jiraiya came face to face in a hallway with Itachi, he looked him dead in his face. That would have been game set match if itachi really wanted it to be. Now, the chances are that after Kakshi got out of his coma, he informed Jiraiya not to look in his eyes is pretty high, so future battles might have played different.
2. Ma and Pa are very vulnerable to itachi, especially directly after summoned before Jiraiya may get the chance to warn them not to look at itachi at all, not just his eyes.
3. Similar issue with many of the large toad summons. Those large toad summons would also be vulrable to genjitsu attacks and amaratsu.
4. Even if Jiraiya does know not to look into Itachi's eyes, he, like Guy, might not know that itachi can use other genjitsu if you look at other part of hi body.
Using an ability such as Ephemeral with Amaterasu may yield decent results if he uses the Ephemeral simply to make Jiraiya not realize that Amaterasu has penitrated his en barrier.
All in all, Itachi does need to employ much more subtle strategies and tactics to get wins over Jiraiya. But then again, that is kind of what itachi is good at doing.
Also, I'm an Itachi fanboy wanting to give Itachi the win. lol
Itatchi only limited himself to 3 MS uses to prevent himself from dying from over exhaustion…but, if it’s a battle to the death where preventing his death might not be an option, don’t you believe he could use MS more than 3 times??
That is true, but there is really big chance that Jiraya would be able to still outlast him, therefore win by war of attrition.
That quote by Itachi is misunderstood.
When he says “both”, he is referring to himself AND Kisame. Itachi goes on to say that it would be no different if they had more reinforcements.
Itachi admitted they were powerless against Jiraya.
Yeah to save Jiraya he lied.
@@kos4793 Jiraya almost took out pain. Pain admitted he may have lost without his secret.
Pain stomps Itachi all day
@@ElChacal7 Pain no diffs Jiraya lol, Deva Path alone defeat Jiraya
@@andreleandro6931 nah fam. The pains pay respects and admits he had never been pushed so far as soon as they kill Jiraya. Literally their first words after are to extol their former sensei.
@@ElChacal7 yeah, Jiraya fought well, but Pain is just another level, Pain, Obito and Itachi are another level
Yo, show Totsuka blade getting parried.
Senjutsu beats every sharing except for EMS or Rinnegan. Itachi wouldn't be able to use genjutsu on a Sage, since they have a companion on each shoulder, at least on Jiraiya's Case.
If is Sick Itachi vs Jiraiya, Jiraiya wins, no questions. Experience, power and wisdom.
If is Edo Tensei Itachi vs Jiraiya, it would end in a endurance match won by Itachi.
I know it's not something you can truly measure, but one thing I noticed about Itachi compared to the rest of Naruto is that he doesn't "Try." Meaning Itachi seems to just do what he wants to do. He never gets pushed or struggles in any fight. Even till he died... he was still holding back. Jiraya can't say that... he was trying HARD.
it's not tthat he doesn't push himself, is that he can¡t because he will die
@@TheOtrebor19 but he also has never been forced to do it either. But IF he chose to... imagine what he could do. Even if only for a short time..
@@TheOtrebor19 that’s false he’s held back on just about every opponent we’ve seen him fight. Then coming out alive was him not trying to kill them
@@Taymartin23 That part, he's really tried 1) chunnin exam and he had to 2) killing his clan[and he barely had any struggles] 3) fighting Nagato and that wasn't even his main goal and whole time he was teaching Naruto how every jutsu has a weakness 4) fighting Kabuto and he couldn't go all out cuz he needed him alive to cancel the Edo Tensei and was trying to make sure Sasuke didn't die in the process
@@jeanlucboisvert1344you do realize his most dangerous family members either let Itachi Merc them (his parents) or get Merced by Danzo(Shisui) right?
Fugaku was canonically considered for a Flee on Sight Addendum like Minato but was never given it for some reason and Shisui was able to weaponize one of the most basic Jutsu in existence. Every other Uchiha clan member literally had no feats or stats...hell, we don't even know how many were active ninja, and how many were just cops, PLUS, the clan purge got retconned with Obito taking out the more dangerous members, so double L there.
Plus, Itachi even stated, WITH KISAME'S HELP, them going all out still potentially wouldn't be enough to take out Jiraiya. Ain't no way Itachi is able to solo Jiraiya. MAYBE(and I use that term loosely) before he gets his Illness, Itachi could've traded with Jiraiya, but the fight just gets harder the longer he's had it, and sheer willpower to save his brother from Orochimaru is the only reason it didn't kill him sooner
Nagato did not state Jirayia would beat the six paths if he knew the secret. He stated if he knew the secret he could’ve taken us down. Meaning he wouldn’t have bothered with the pain bodies and gone straight to the source just like Naruto later does. It’s not a statement of strength but strategy. If he knew they were corpse puppets he wouldn’t have bothered with them at all.
Literally not possible. How would he get to Nagato even if he knew about his real body without fighting them?
The statement is pretty clearly about beating them as he got caught off guard multiple times due to no intel
@@raikaru0 like Naruto does later? Uses sage mode, back traces the signal to the tallest tower, uses a giant frog and jumps up there. Confronts Nagato and Konan before they wake any of the pain bodies. It’s not a very complex plan.
@@Prince_Luci They detected him as soon as he got into the village. Did you not watch the show or something?
Regardless of who wins this fight this would be a hell of a fight to see either in the form of manga or animated
Very great video! I actually think the matchup is a 50-50, for a couple reasons.
Since sage mode takes 5 minutes to activate, Itachi would have a decent amount of time to get Jiraiya to look at him as without sage mode he’s only left with the one sensor barrier.
If one is able to chain genjutsus, and you assume ma and pa couldn’t break tsukiyomi during the second it’s activated, Itachi could finger point and have him under some kind of genjustu and use the next second that ma and pa theoretically can’t break Jiraiya out to get close enough that when the genjutsu is undone, he could have eye contact forced from the finger genjutsu
Next, while activating sage mode Jiraiya would presumably summon large toads, but what’s stopping Itachi from controlling that summon? If a base sharingan is good enough to at least partially control the nine-tails, I don’t think this out of the realm of possibility. And in this moment Jiraiya would presumably be standing on it’s back with his hands forming signs for a few minutes while having his eyes closed to avoid tsukayomi. Being bucked off while is such a vulnerable position could force his eyes open for a second, or Itachi could force the toad to stand still and launc range attacks, which jiraiya would have to react to and dodge within whatever range his barrier is, or risk opening his eyes.
Back to that 5 minute period, there should be nothing stopping the finger genjutsu without ma and pa around unless jiraiya breaks his sage hand signs to form a genjutsu release.
Finally, during the Itachi vs sasuke fight, Itachi uses MS 5 times, so I’m not sure 3 is the limit.
Tsukiyomi once, amaterasu twice, Susanoo to block the kirin then another susanoo to approach sasuke.
Nah i think 7 : 3 on jiraiya favour. Jiraiya also master of strategy at fight we can see that when hes battle with pain. He can use shadow clone to drain itachi cakra and giving time to summon ma and pa
@onyirionwu but with basic sharingan u can see ur fighting a clone
@@elwichbyas7430if the clones are fighting you especially jmans clones are almost as powerful as jman himself.
2 lions Maine can protect him for 5 min. Endless hair constantly regenerating thanks to ma and pa.
This would never go to itachi.
Jman has mastered everything except lighting.
@@larsonwhitney8967 In no scenario does jiraiya win. He's pretty weak. Considering a 14 yr old Itachi shotted orochimaru. Who is the strongest sannin. It's not possible for jiraiya to win
@@relax5367did you just skip the video and start commenting?
people dont give jiraya enough credit, he took out most of the paths while fighting them at the same time. but naruto didnt fight every path at the same time, i think if he did naruto wouldve either lost or had a way harder time.
Yeah no people give Jiraiya way to much credit this dude runs into a UCHIHA and immediately looks him in the eyes just because he knows how to break out of basic genjutsu.
Not to mention he is losing a fight against multiple enemies who are connected and coming back from being dead and instead of escaping comes back with a incomplete sage mode as if that's going to be enough. Like I said people give Jiraiya WAY to much credit and its all because of a statement about him being able to stop pain if Jiraiya knew his secret....
Damn near anyone with sage mode could beat a sick and on his death bed nagato.
@@uchihathebest44didn't realize Negato was that weak...hahaha
@peacemakernana
I mean yeah he is on his death bed and dying. Healthy Nagato is really strong but not how he was when Jiraiya fought pain or Naruto fought pain.
@@uchihathebest44 Jiraiya knew he would die if he stayed to fight and he had the option to retreat, however he felt like learning the secret to Pain was more important than escaping alive (which it was) and since he was on the verge of figuring it out, he self-sacrificed and went to fight Pa. Jiraiya definitely could’ve beat Pain if he went into the fight with the knowledge of their secret, instead of learning as he fought them.
The Uchiha part I agree with though that was just dumb as hell for him to do.
Damn, so if naruto had learned that sensing barrier thing from jiraiya, he and sasuke wouldve had a much easier time dealing with jigen/isshiki's shrinking and rods
If he can't react to rods than there is no point in knowing which direction it's coming from.
@@theorigin1084 True. In the anime, the rods and shrinking were the initial issue, that's what was fucking them up at first. With only sasuke barely being able to track them, that was a huge disadvantage. They probably could've wrecked regular jigen a lot faster if naruto had that ability.
They still wouldve gotten toasted by anything past regular jigen though, that mofo hit way too hard and was too fast. They literally had nothing in their arsenal to deal with that insane taijutsu
Naruto and Sasuke should have been able to sense them anyways. One has the best Sage Mode and the other has the best Sharingan.
@@unc54 I agree with you on the rods, only sasuke being able to track them was weird but that's what the writer wanted. Jigen shrinking himself on the other hand was the perfect counter to Naruto's sage abilities because he could hide his chakra signature and malice. If that bubble thing jiraiya did senses movement and doesnt depend on chakra signature then that wouldve helped, if it's signature based then it wouldnt have done any better than naruto's sp sage sensing.
There should be a Death Battle between these 2!
I never thought of that battle 😂
Itachi could easily close the distance to get in his face up close and cast tsukuyomi. Theres nothing that says he cant just observe where he is looking and force him to meet his gaze. Just needs to move quickly before the defenses go up
Im not saying itachi would win... However his intelligence goes more in his favor... Being able to set up moves to ensure his mangekyu hits and utilizing "every jutsu has a weakness" pushes a lot in his favor
Itachi stomps. Jiraiya has no answer for yata mirror/spirit sword.
Agreed not to mention jiraiya is nowhere close to kcm naruto or raikage's speed to dodge amaterasu
If we compare the amaterasu itachi used to escape the toad walls against jiraiya versus the one sasuke used against raikage and naruto, we can all agree itachi's amaterasu is stronger
Kishimoto realized how op amaterasu is and giving it to a mc such as sasuke he had no choice but to nerf it hence when the raikage got caught with the flames it didn't engulf is entire body immediately
I remember as a kid watching Jiraiya fights those pains. Its the second if not the best fight in all of naruto history for me. Yes im saying it may be better than the madara arc. Its that good. The epic-ness is unexplainable. I just dont get that same feeling watching any of itachis fight. So i approve this one. Definitely.
I just thought of this but itachi at this point was already dying and had just used his mangekyo. That is probably a significant factor in why he said they would stalemate
Awesome video, 2 of my favorite chatacters. I love all of the jutsu Jiraya does with toads.
Gotta give it to jiraiya
I somewhat agree with how this video sums up the fight tho imo at the start of it jiraiya would be over whelmed with a variety of strategic attacks designed to end the fight early, if jiraiya is capable of taking the onslaught the longer it goes the better his chances. Also Itachi being so fast i can see jiraiya winning but at a cost of a leg or something 😅
70 percent of the time itachi would win.
@@cngotham4111 you know it.
We really need a video of who would win jiraya vs orochimaru and a video about the three Sannin who would win or ranking them first second and third
I really don't think this battle would be as interesting as people would hope. Itachi just has too many insta win abilities
So do many characters and they still lose so that theory of insta wins don’t work
Who is JimmyA7X?
@@Unknown-individual Too soon
@@Unknown-individual Jimmy Sullivan was the drummer for the band Avenged Sevenfold that passed away like 10 years ago now, A7X is the abbreviation for Avenged Sevenfold
@@latrelllewis2531 Itachi vs Orochimaru (twice), Itachi vs Deidara, Itachi vs Kakashi, Shadow clone Itachi vs Post FRS Naruto. These were all insta wins. Heck Itachi vs Bee was an insta win for Itachi if it wasn't for partner method. But we won't count that