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Was Civil War (2024) Realistic?
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Civil War (2024) is a drama/action movie about a group of 4 journalists who are traveling through a dystopian America on their way to Washington, DC to interview the president before he is deposed by rebel forces.
The movie is a mix of accuracy with some really accurate moments, some boneheaded decisions and some obvious props.
Was it a good movie? It was a solid movie with some good moments.
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Civil War (2024) is a drama/action movie about a group of 4 journalists who are traveling through a dystopian America on their way to Washington, DC to interview the president before he is deposed by rebel forces.
The movie is a mix of accuracy with some really accurate moments, some boneheaded decisions and some obvious props.
Was it a good movie? It was a solid movie with some good moments.
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How the hell was this posted 7 days ago
How is this post 7 days old and the video is on 18 mins old?
Hey Ryan, Brandon Lee did not exactly die from a blank alone. He died from the a real bullet that was stuck in the barrel of the movie prop that was then propelled by a blank.
Let's be honest no one cares about war crimes bro
Hey Ryan, is America gonna be okay?
"The US Army is a logistical organization that dabbles in combat" -- Ryan, and my dad, since forever.
Or, per SecDef Gates, "An HMO that occasionally fights a war . . . ."
And they're not very good at logistics.
Wow, that's amazingly accurate! Never heard it put so well...👍
Army veteran here...yeah that tracks
@@XtremiTeez To the contrary the US military logistics is a wonder of the world.
I don't think Jesse Plemmons' character was meant to have been an actual soldier. Before the war, he was probably just a militia LARPer who always fantasized about being part of a death squad and now he gets to live out his dreams.
I thought it was pretty obvious that he was a white nationalist that's finally able to put his fever dreams into action.
I assumed he set up a base on his property and was doing his own thing (loyalist but not officially). The most disturbing thing was how the mass grave looked like it was mostly civilians. The rebels in the movie often didn't wear uniforms so maybe there were soldiers in there. The movie is intentionally ambiguous about most of the details. The only thing it clearly showed was that there were valid grievances, good people, and monsters on both sides (and nobody really "wins" when your country is at war with itself)
Well if you don't want this movie to be a documentary, make sure you get out and vote this November!
Plenty of people like that wind up in the military. I know one.
This ^^
The irony about a lot of this stuff is that, it is the "preppers" and gun nuts that will CAUSE the problems if there ever was an apocalypse/civil war.
Like how we keep building bigger cars in an arms race to feel more safe against each other, yet the effect is a more dangerous road for everyone, which then sells even bigger cars.
Fun fact about that scene with Jesse Plemmons(guy wearing the bright red/orange glasses). Originally he was never intended to be in this film. His wife is in the movie and he happened to be on set that day to support her. So what happened was the person who was supposed to play the bad guy in that infamous scene was unable to do so though I don't remember why. Plemmon's wife convinced him to take up the role despite his heavy reluctance to do so and it ended up being the most iconic scene from the movie. The only real major change Plemmons had for the character was to allow him to wear those sunglasses that he found in a thrift store near where they were shooting. Frankly the sunglasses kind of added to the crazy surreal nature of that scene.
Now the reason for his reluctance to play the character is that like any actor he doesn't like being typecasted. Unfortunately for Plemmons he just has that look and ability to embody extremely horrible characters that do things even most villains would never do. The guy in real life is supposedly a very amiable and friendly person.
He’s come a long way since playing Landry Clark in Friday Night Lights.
@@brawndothethirstmutilator9848 First time I ever ran across 'Fatt Damon' was the movie 'BATTLESHIP'. He was such an awkward, squirrely dude... a typical young sailor. Never thought he would become such an iconic actor with such a following.
@@leftistsarenotpeople He was good in this. The Plemmons-Dunst Family are probably getting "His and Hers" Oscar Noms . . . .
He really has the ability to pull off an Everyman that should be a nice guy, but is really a creepy evil guy vibe.
He was great in Game Night. He played a cop that's socially awkward but he ends up saving the day
That Apocalypse Now analogy is actually apt, it really isn’t a civil war movie, but about journalism and society
Did you mean Full Metal Jacket”???
Matt Modine was a Marine journalist in FMJ.
Weirdly most Vietnam war movies aren’t about the Vietnam war, apocalypse now is The heart of darkness.
Journalism has been dead in the US for decades and is a serious problem.😊
@@bfrick I was thinking this film (media) was more about the journalist (media) than it was about the war itself.
to me this was the main issue with the film. It's definitely about war photo journalism and not civil war per say, hence the title is misleading, but it's narrative about them also becomes a bit wishy-washy or saying things that doesn't reflect well in the general populace.
Helicopter that crashed at the mall is a Sikorsky S-76 typically a VIP transport however the Eagle variant was made for military use
And the other one is an AS350 Écureuil.
At a certain point in production, one ends up losing some reality in favor of calling HelicoptersRUs. Just isn't worth the additional budget for a brief scene where the bent bird is incidental to the scene. It's not as if they were going to search a bent, burned bird for heat seeking moisture missiles.
I think a key point is that in a civil war a LOT of civilian kit would get repurposed.
@@tamlandipper29 This. I know this man served, and I honour him. Not everything he say is Gospel.
A resisting force would use anything and everything available.
That's why they "won" in this film.
The chemlight at the end makes me think either that dude or their advisor was a SEAL. Those fucking dudes were obsessed with chemlights. We gave a dude like 5 boxes of them out of our gun truck in Fallujah and he was fuckin PUMPED.
I believe those were supposed to be SEALs in the WH; I think one was referred to as Chief; and the Black Chick was probably part of a tag along unit from the NG or Army.
I wonder how much we spend on just chemlights 😂😂
@@blueberrywilbur315 eleventy million dollaroos
@@blueberrywilbur315 given how many IR chemlights I tossed around, hundreds of millions per year.
People can see regular chemlights, you need your goofy glasses to see the IR's.
Of course, another poopular one is tossing frags all around a room one's going to enter - while taking cover behind the almighty drywall from hell...
they are like fancy crayons
I worked with some super cool Croatians who told me the average combatant would ACT like they were shooting their old neighbors and high school pals, but would really just shoot the air b/c, like, very few hearts and minds on either side. Twinge of faith in humanity restored.
Yeah I thought old research found basic (western countries) recruits without modern training (or very ideological fighters) tend to not shoot to kill. Many in the 1800s shot to miss apparently.
It's interesting how humans also have a history of ritualized warfare. Like animals with their antlers. Sometimes better to have shows of force without the casualties to go with it.
Not that they didn't also slaughter their enemies entire tribe at times but it's interesting how complicated human behavior can be depending on the scenario.
@@lightfeather9953lindybeige had a whole video about that. Apparently only around 10% of people are able to shoot at another human with the intention to kill. Modern military training (post WW2) boosts those numbers up to around 90% but this still leaves scars.
Most unrealistic in this movie is in my opinion the ammo waste. If you don't know how to get more I think most civilians will be very careful to not use them until necessary.
That's actually something well documented even with people from different countries. It's something like only 1 in 8 actually aimed at the enemy lines.
@@lightfeather9953 That notion came from research by SLA Marshall after WWII and popularized/applied to modern combat by a book called "On Killing" by Lt Dan Grossman with further research. The conclusions are highly disputed and in reality vary heavily from one conflict to another, and variables are hard to isolate.
Dehumanization is a hell of a drug. IDF in Gaza, Nuff Said
"when I lost my left arm I didn't feel a thing"
Good thing you found it later
He made a vid on it, really interesting story, go watch it
I absolutely love your comments about logistics. One of the things that I find ridiculous about this kind of movie is that it ignores the utter disruption that would happen to things like food supply, medical equipment, infrastructure including potable water and electricity - never mind gasoline. The closest we've ever seen to this kind of disruption would be the 1918 Flu epidemic. You thought getting toilet paper was hard in COVID, that's child play. The north could probably get supplies from Canada and the Southwest from Mexico, but who is going to bankroll them. Seriously, most people have no idea how important a stable government is to their comforts and life.
If I had the money, I would put your quote, "Seriously, most people have no idea how important a stable government is to their comforts and life." on every billboard along every highway and interstate in this country. I'd have every teacher, preacher, law enforcement official and politician appear on local TV once per week and repeat that quote. No, I'm not kidding.
“Soldiers win battles but logistics win wars” - Sun Tzu … probably
@@mitchconner403 "Therefore, a wise general will strive to feed off the enemy. One bushel of the enemy's provisions is worth twenty of our own, one picul of fodder is worth twenty of our own." -Sun Tzu: The Art of War
It mentioned super expensive gasoline for reporters in the movie, which they paid for in Canadian Dollars, but I guess the army had another source.
@@nathanbanks2354 Yes, but there is still electricity. When they go through places at night there are all kinds of light. During the 1918 epidemic things got very serious, especially in cities, because not only miners to suck, but railroads shut down across the country. This coal became incredibly scarce and the gas lighting and nascent electrical service shut down. And food supplies were also horribly disrupted. Now, it would impact almost everyone.
RUclips says as long as it’s a movie you could show violence guns machine guns whatever as long as it’s a movie
This is correct. RUclips won't block a video of fictional depicted violence. It can / will age restrict some videos depicting fictional violence. Though I somehow doubt there are children or young teens watching Ryan's channel in any meaningful number.
If only there was a youtube for people under 18
@@Hathur Don't forget the 40 something percent of some peoples audiences that don't have accounts and therefore cannot even be suggested a video that gets age restricted.
Apparently it’s also okay for news agencies to show uncensored combat footage
@@chugachuga9242 yes in their new rules regarding weapons they specifically said they will do this
The Apache helicopter flying and shooting between buildings is the most tacticool and less tactical thing at the same time.
Realism really breaks down at the end. Like how the reporters are literally kicking the doors in with the troops. Ballsy buy stupid 😂
It might not have been an Apache. There are clones which could have been given to the militia by another country. Russian KA-52 pilots were seen to be right on top of the enemy in Iraq (shooting at ISIS) and in Ukraine.
@guitarninjarick8179
Though bringing weapons is discouraged, War Correspondents have had weapons on them in the past, and on Google, one guy had said having a weapon saved his life.
So, although most modern war correspondents are not usually that close to combat, it's not impossible.
@@wyattguilliams5325certainly not impossible but for a journalist to be literally going in *with* the entry team? Those would have to be exceptionally stupid soldiers and even more exceptionally stupid journalists lol. I mean I know the whole plot of the show is basically a road trip film about Journalists = Good but still.
@@guitarninjarick8179If you’re overthrowing a president you’re gonna bring reporters
My favorite part of this movie is that Ron Swanson is the president. And since they don't say the president's name in the movie, it's now cannon that Ron Swanson became president.
But President Swanson said "Many people are saying... " and that's a typical Trump line
I got such a weird feeling watching people in the same uniform I was in at one time getting summarily executed
By other Americans *
@@frakismaximus3052 what kind of americans?
Its funny af
Imagine how Russians feel like when watching a movie made in the past 50 years lol. You think you're the good guy because of the uniform, while your enemy iditifies you from it.
@frakismaximus3052 Yeah, you got a point there. It's an easier thing to justify? Idk not really the right word for that, but to see someone much different than you and your countryman can identify as the "enemy" or other do shit like that and just feed it into hate or whatever.
An important question as a non-American that has bugged me is what are the US allies in Asia and Europe doing? And most importantly what are US troops stationed overseas doing?
I can't imagine NATO standing by watching their biggest ally destroy itself without doing something.
A civil war in the US is prime for overseas competitors and allies alike to fund, material support, feed the official and militia forces alike.
Read 'Empire' by Orson Scott Card. A very interesting take on a US Civil War (sort of).
Ya, I’d totally see Canadian and other NATO forces intervening in this conflict. There’s too much at stake while the US is fighting itself
To lose if it goes on too long.
And where are the wives because two weeks into this, someone is going to get a call asking when are you going to take Cody to goddammed soccer practice because I'm working while you're out playing war with your friends from the gun range.
@@gixlopez ya that too
From my reading of US diplomatic history, during the real civil war the tone the Union took toward observing nations in Europe was "DO NOT INTERVENE IN OUR INTERNAL MATTERS." Despite their nervousness concerning the reports of fantastic bloodshed and economic dependence on union and rebel states, European partners did not intervene. The Confederacy's diplomatic corps was rather inept and never got to play their "King Cotton" card that they waved around before breaking away from the Union.
I can only imagine that, unless the parties reached out to partners, Europe, South America, and East Asia may have been standing by and just watching the spectacle or jockeying to supplant an America in dire straits on the world stage.
The colors pink, blue, and green come up a few times in the movie even during that sniper scene, no idea what the connection is but it comes up at different times
On the last scene you mentioned. I thought the most striking thing was how proud they were of killing, and happy to pose in front of the bodies. They don't view what they did as wrong. I think it shows how in reality any kind of uprising would be filled with absolute horror, and people would be doing things that they were immensely cruel. It reminds me of the documentary "The Act of Killing" which follows former death-squad members of the Indonesian Civil War. They are proud of what they did, and happy to reenact their immense cruelty. If you haven't seen it, you absolutely must watch it - and maybe even do a review of it. It's uniquely horrifying.
You should see what the iraqis did to their King, sometimes people are that unhinged
Mussolini’s corpse was hanged upside down in Milan’s town square, Ceaușescu’s execution was filmed, and police posed next to Escobar’s corpse.
There’s a rush to hatred and seeing your “enemies” fake or real dead. It’s sad but sometimes understandable
Surplus military vehicles are nice for civilian police until they have to find the budget for upkeep. The price for a new tire will make the accountants pass out.
That's why I never understood why all these PDs would want them. They'd be better off armoring up a van, pickup or SUV. MRAPs are mostly hanger queens. Bearcats are specifically made for LE though and are more road appropriate. If PDs and FDs want high water rescue equipment they're better off getting a LMTV, but I see this as an excuse for a lot of departments getting MRAPS. .
@@jameslynn7271 "EXCUSE" lmao they are donated by homeland through a program ok bud.
@@jameslynn7271 They are free, they are "cool" and the police making the choice aren't the ones skilled in lifetime cost analysis.
@@itsteoroman county police depts have positively 0 reason for military vehicles whatsoever
@@CheesyMez how are they suppose to militarize without their military gear? Duh!
Brandon Lee died from a squib round that was stuck in the barrel nobody knew was there. The blank was then fired from the gun, pushing the squib out and into Lee.
That is pretty much what I took away from my experience with IFOR in Bosnia back in 96 and again in 98 and 99. In total I spent 18 months with IFOR. It was then I realized just how thin the line is and how easy it is to go down that road.
I think Bosnia will be what I compare this movie with, not the USA.
Jesse Plemons was awesome in that movie.
I agree about the description of what the movie is actually about. The "civil war" is just the setting, the real movie is just about people and how quickly we can all fall apart.
Not looting bodies in films is my pet peeve (and I'm a loot goblin). Especially when in the next scene they run out of bullets and supplies. Gahd ! Pick up all the shiny's !!
y -> ie.
Or maybe I was mistaken and you meant pick up something belonging to someone called Shiny. Third option would be "pick up all the shiny is" but that doesn't make any sense either.
Run the pockets.
If you have time, maybe I’ll just wait till I see you coming out with all my new stuff😂😂😂 🤯
How else am I gonna get the parts I need for gunsmith?
And you never know if someone is carrying valuable intelligence information until you loot them. Maps, notes, heck they might even have a journal in which they complain about something mundane like how they have to carefully ration food, or some other information that's worth its weight in gold. For example, a complaint about food rationing means they're already low on food for the troops, and therefore any more disruptions to their supply line could mean mass starvation. So then you'd target their supply lines for maximum effect against frontline troops. All of this could have been learned from one dead guy's journal. That's a big reason why you check the bodies.
Also you never know if the body on the ground has a much nicer watch than you do LOL
I honestly believe there is a not so small section of US Citizens who want an excuse to remove people who disagree with them. I also do not believe this section of citizens support the same ideologies and I also believe they would be targeting each other.
Hoping they never find out how wrong they are about the realities of conflict.
You mean like democrats already do in smaller scales all around the us. Or have done historical with the klan an other radical left orgaztions
Prophetic comment
Bro was cookin with this one
we found Thomas's youtube account guys
Killing labor is very very short term thinking.
Ryan: "None of this is real"
Manual Reviewer: "Oh, ALL of this is real."
Ryan: "None of this is combat footage"
Manual Reviewer: "It's all combat footage"
Me: "you get what you pay for RUclips..."
Now if the sign had said "Mimes Ahead" what would the appropriate response be?
You know that song by Bonnie Tyler - Total Eclipse of the Heart? The part that goes:
Turn around, every now and then I get a little bit lonely.
It doesn't makes a difference if it's Mimes or Mines.....
Another thing worth mentioning regarding logistics is the actual production of equipment. US military industry is extremely "decentrally centralized", where there are a ton of small to medium manufacturers, spread all over the country, that are primary or sole sources of various components, subcontracting for the big five defense contractors. Those manufacturers are extremely vulnerable. It doesn't matter if 99% of the manufacturing capacity is still intact, if you can't get random widget #42, then you can't make any more hellfire missiles. In a civil war its likely that defense industry would implode pretty much immediately, not just the supply chains, but the manufacturing capacity as well.
The minute they stop getting paid, they stop producing anything.
I think you're overestimating how little a national military like this underestimates the important of those random little widget tool shops
You would find those would have considerable defensive perimeters if defensible, or would be stripped down and moved if not, in the case of such a internal armed conflict
@@ThePlayerOfGames They're too numerous and spread out to feasibly defend, and would be really difficult to move due to the size, weight, and complexity of the manufacturing lines. Moving them would also shut the lines down for a long time, which in the short to medium term would have the same effect as their destruction.
Military forces would obviously try to adapt as best they can, but it can take years to set up manufacturing lines for advanced military hardware, and that's without the supply chain chaos that a civil war would cause. They would have to focus on the basics first, like bullets and artillery shells. Aircraft and precision guided munitions would likely not be manufactured in any significant numbers during a large scale civil war unless it dragged on for long enough to get that production capacity built back up.
Yes and no. The manufacturing structure would collapse as it stands, but most parts could be made in almost any machine shop given enough time and skill. The disruption would be severe. Months long production delays, as equipment get rapidly expended.
@@erincarson8998 You're not going to be making advanced sensors, computer chips, or electronic components in "any machine shop". Making the basics like bullets and shells, as well as some simpler spare parts for air and ground vehicles, could be spun up pretty quickly in most machine shops, but there are critical components for aircraft, electronic equipment, and precision guided weapons that would simply not be procurable in the event of large scale, widespread civil war.
Things must have really gone to shit for Texas and California to form an alliance.
That's what I was thinking lol. Both states have a large number of military (both active and reserve/NG), so I guess that's what they were figuring on. Haven't seen the movie, that was all I could come up with for an alliance like that.
That's kind of the point as to why they have those two forming an alliance.
@@oldtop4682 you could imagine some cassus belli for it. Both states are the largest by population and economy, and are or can be aggrieved about how despite this, they can get laws etc pushed onto them which they dont agree with and are specifically more harmful to them than anywhere else (at least perceived).
For example the effects of immigration, the federal welfare programs 'taking' from them and sending elsewhere, or even more fundamental hypotheticals like a fed govt severely reducing their political power relative to their size and importance. Maybe the federal govt simply becomes too unresponsive relative to their own state govts to solve problems, or sees that they are 'too' effective and preempts their ability to do so. In thr same vein maybe the states overstep their bounds constitutionally and start doing things only the federal govt has the defined power to do, and the president/Congress heavily overreact and do something stupid (instead of solving a possible root cause, like the fed govt becoming unresponsive) like attempting to declare martial law and dissolve the state govt as they accuse them of becoming seditious, rogue, effectively a 2nd or 3rd federal govt given their power to lead the pack based on their population and markets/economic size.
There's a throw away line at the start addressing these strange bedfellows. One of the characters says 'as soon as DC falls they'll turn on each other' implying it's a alliance of convenience and the fall of DC is just the first chapter in this civil war, not the end.
@@oldtop4682 California also supplies Texas with a ton of supplies, fresh (grown) food, clothing, California also is home to the largest number of serving people, largest combination of operational bases, training space, and support activities, that probably influenced Texas in joining up with California, either join up, or try to fight them and lose access to a lot of goods and gear
The crow thing: On March 31, 1993, Brandon Lee died in an accident while filming the film The Crow in an EUE/Screen Gems studio. Since production was delayed, dummy bullets were not used for some scenes, but rather real cartridges, from which only the gunpowder had been removed, but not the primers. The explosion pressure from the primer was enough to send a bullet unnoticed into the barrel, where it became lodged. When filming the next scene, blank cartridges were used, with actor Michael Massee's shot ejecting the stuck bullet. Brandon Lee was hit in the stomach. Despite immediate rescue efforts, he died twelve hours later at New Hanover Regional Medical Center in Wilmington, North Carolina.
I agree. Civilization is a very thin line. People were fighting over toliet paper at the big box stores…..
In 2020…
I let a lot slide in this movie but seeing the prez just…hanging out in Oval Office while fallujah II happens outside kills me
"Who are you?" "Oh don't mind us, we're just here to livestream your brain getting blown out in 4k 60fps. Rolling in 30 seconds, get ready mr President"
I thought they were going to reveal that the President and his cabinet had already evacuated so they could obliterate the White House with the rebels inside. I like this movie but I was disappointed by the ending the first time I saw it, "That's it? Well, that certainly is an ending"
@@ATeaDaze the president was trapped, surrounded on all sides by western forces, that’s why they sent out the decoy limo and then once the WF navy seals got inside, the president sends out the old FBI director to try and say the president surrenders, he knew it was over, he was just trying to play his last cards in a hope one would work
and he didn't appear to have at least a personal detail protecting him until the last minute I kinda wish they would have found him dead but I think the director wanted to convey him as weak and alone.
@@ATeaDaze Or how the vast system of underground bunkers and tunnels would have come into play. Also, why am I gonna hunker down in America's Graceland when I can relocate to Cheyenne Mountain?
i gotta say... of the scenarios that might happen... the thing that is scariest is not looters to me. it is the over zealous people who think they are righteous and going to clear their own neighborhood of people they think are undesirable. the LARPers. the people itching to get back at a society they think bullied them.
i am more concerned with the people that have worked themselves up into a frenzied of fear right now, then the potential crimes of desperation in the future.
Realistically, even as polarized as we are, I still don't think another American Civil War is in the cards. I can see isolated terrorist attacks from Far-Right and Far-Left groups à la Italy's Years of Lead, but a full-blown Civil War? Not so much. I also think if another American Civil War did happen, it wouldn't look like what was seen in the movie, nor would it be like the first one.
One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter.
@@sagunsingh7415 and the LARP crowd remains zero targets.
Yeah - scared people get aggressive really quickly. And they believe the movies and think they are the starring hero.
@@N17C1 the problem is, when someone thinks that they're the starring hero, but instead are the comedic relief.
Ryan, this is one of the best programs you've produced. I and your other supporters appreciate the effort you put into it. This is first-rate stuff and we appreciate it and thank you.
Trigger discipline? I'm a Marine from wayback. In Vietnam, we didn't do trigger discipline as it is currently taught. It was safety discipline. The acceptable carrying condition of any non-crew served weapon was cocked and locked. Your weapon could definitely be on the trigger during carry, but you would use your thumb to unsafe the weapon in the case of the M-16 and M-79 and the trigger finger itself to unsafe the M-14 or it's predecessor the M-1. I'm not sure what the procedure was for the pig, as I never carried one, only FAM fired them at various times. Accidental discharge was just as big a sin as it is today back then. Maybe bigger in jungle areas, as it alerted any unseen enemy that forces were in the area.
They honestly missed out on using Drones to really show the horrors of warfare.
I can imagine a civil militia boasting: "Earl's son knows how to fly drones, we can use one to safely scout the area!" right before 2 FPV drones slam into the group.
As the survivors take cover, grenades start dropping from the sky, one at a time.The building starts burning, and the remaining militia decide to run to a non-burning building. As they come out of the door, they realise an air-dropped machine-gun drone has taken up position on the roof of a building at the end of the street.
Drone warfare is too current to end up in a movie. Especially the small personal drones.
@@stanhry Actually not entirely. Considering ISIS used DJI Phantoms and so on packed with HE all the way back in 2016.
@@stanhry And I can see the filming actually started after the UA conflict.
@@AwesomeRepix Usually the initial script for a movie is written years in advance to filming. After a script is taken on, it usually undergoes multiple years of editing before casting is even started. Once casting is done and filming starts you can usually make minor revisions to a movie, much of which can be done in post, but anything major would involve delaying a project which costs no small amount of money. They cant just add something like drones into it without addressing how it effects the rest of the movie. This is something that so heavily effects the way the "world" works that every scene needs to be assessed otherwise the audience will question "why arent drones involved in this scene". When you establish a capability within the world you create, it effects everything in the world.
Also, while there has been weaponization of civilian/small drones prior to the Ukrainian war, it was not to the same scale.
The fight at the Lincoln Memorial is symbolic of the American Civil war in the 1860's.
The boogs had a distinct similarity to the AK Guy, Garand Thumb and friends lmao
Plemons' character most likely scavenged the uniform and 'stolen-valor'd" the combat badge, as evident by the combination Velcro and sew-on.
"Chesty Puller stopped the bullet!" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Top, keep em' coming man.
🤣
I would suggest that getting hung up on the specifics (strategic or tactical" is kind of missing the point of the movie.
The take-home is the impact of confusion, chaos and violence on your doorstep.
That's a good point. This movie is a pretty good example of the Fog of War
@@squillz8310 Fog of war, but also the dangers of what has been brewing in our own country for years with what the politics are right now. Especially with the right wing... like, geez. I do agree the movie is a good way to remind us to take a step back, look at ourselves from the wider picture, from the outside perspective that the world has. It's highly likely, but also avoidable, that this can happen. I say avoidable since it has a chance that it can be avoided/prevented. Yet... I don't trust the system right now, it's just too much chaos and uncertain of the future.
The clothing store was a thrift store. In breakdowns, people get rid of extra stuff. The average American home will run out of food, long before the run out of useful clothing.
I think there's already more piles of clothing than we can use.
My suspension of disbelief stopped at the DC fight. I didn't even wanna finish the movie. As someone who was in the DC guard and activated during the riots of 2020 and Jan 6 I appreciated the earlier tones and themes the film played with. Those opening shots of soldiers in front of the capitol brought back some emotions I had at the time. But then all that came crashing down with a javelin missile arcing up and hitting the Lincoln Memorial only a second after being shot. Those F22 barrel rolls were foreshadowing for sure...
The helicopter is a Eurocopter AS350 Écureuil. It's used in the US by law enforcement and by civilian operators. The AS350 is used by some militaries including the French Gendarmerie and the Chilean milltary, but I don't know if it's sold with gunship accoutrements There is a Chinese copy (Changhe Z-11) that has weapons on it.
I suspect equipment would be supplied by other countries just like in most civil wars. The U.S. armed ISIS before it was ISIS and the Taliban before it was the Taliban.
I'd agree that it's a visually modified AS350/H125.
The AS550 Fennec/H125M is the vendor designation for the military variant of the same aircraft and can be configured with weapons including rocket pods, torpedos, machine guns or cannons, missiles, etc. from optional external weapon mounts. The weapon mounts are mounted to the fusalage behind the doors midway up the side of the aircraft and the doors remain attached and closed (ammunition is carried externally with the mounted weapons). The configuration of the movie aircraft seems to be mimicing a AH-6 Little Bird, with ammunition located in the cabin (hence removed doors) which is not how this aircraft is operated, which further supports a modified aircraft.
I disagree. Its a SA053 with Kirito cardboard cutouts. 😎
I think the last scene with the pristine desert Camo tanks and well groomed soldiers was what hit the realism for me. A last battle of a modern civil war would be fought more with beat up tanks in Ukraine style Camo, and boys in the backs of pick up trucks.
And maybe some tacticals (pickup truck with mounted machine gun) and armored SUVs.
Right?! No way all that gear is lasting through the war with no scratches. A civil war with that many factions would be a logistical nightmare.
I think those units were their best, kept for the final push.
It wasn't the attack helicopter going street-level and shooting a $20,000 missile at a target 20 feet away? Or the Abrams cannon going off next to people with no hearing protection on?
@@markkringle9144 Technicals - of course this is a movie - and it was shot in 2022 -I bet future films like this will probably feature drones and badass Technicals similar to some of the ones being used in Ukraine.
Hey Ryan, about the helicopter at the beginning. It appears to be a kitbash model between a Blackhawk and a Kiowa helicopter. It’s giving really strong Kiowa vibes, but maybe that’s just me.
As for the air war portion, you’re 100% right. Modern fighters won’t fly below 15,000ft to avoid MANPADs. If you see anything, it’ll be several con trails and bombs exploding around you. Some SAM-fighter engagements might’ve been cool, though. Sirens go off as Patriots and then CIWS fire around you.
"What kind of American are you?"
Actually I'm a Marylander.🤠🤠🤠🤠🤠🤠
I agree completely about the logistics issues being far more severe than folks realize. We just had a supply chain interruption during the pandemic, and it affected everything from agricultural deliveries to the medical supplies for our local hospitals and clinics. Food requires fuel to flow (part of why inflation appears to be largely fuel cost driven). Not many people realize how much food, fuel, and supplies have to be imported for our use under the current supply chain. A civil war would make many trading partners back off, and that’s before the threat of one side blockading ports or sinking shipping to starve out the other sides.
heck didn't the entire east coast go to shit over 1 pipeline being shut down by hackers?
I’m going to be honest considering the implications of the “Civil War” movie I started thinking from the timeline given in the movie this all happened in 14 months. What would have happened with all the other bases of the United States all over the world, troops deployed in other conflict zones, troops deployed in other U.S. territories it just would not make sense in my opinion for such a thing to play out in such little time just my thoughts. What do you guys think?
Civil Wars don't mean that every and all assets are in play. There are allegiances and choices made, and a lot of Division Commanders have to choose what to do and who to do it for. Some might choose to sit tight and not act, some would swear to the sitting President, others might swear to the States that oppose the Administration. Since the film also says the President is on his 3rd Term, this has been boiling for at least 8 years prior, influencing the minds of the populace and Military with his authoritarian policies and actions. Then over the course of the conflict, as the Western States forces gain ground toward the Capital, those who remained loyal to the President would start seeing their efforts as a lost cause and many people don't want to die for no reason, which then the film states/implies that many of the loyalist units surrendered.
They'd probably just sit out and follow their last order. After the war they might just follow the WF's administration
@@MikMoen But his third term was 14 months in technicality while I understand it could have been 8 years leading up to that. I still find all of that stuff happening not realistically within 14 months. Then consider the amount of vehicles that were shown cgi wise so what assets would play out is just what I’m curious about. I do understand in what your saying as well.
America has a rifle behind every blade of grass. There's no way the war would last 14 months. It'd have very messy fronts too.
Urban Geurillas, rural Geurillas shifting loyalties for units and states.
It'd be on par with the Chinese Warlord Era in terns of Scale, Length, and Devastation.
@@MikMoen One of the most funny things that I hear about civil war is how bad it will be for the liberals. like liberals do not own guns.
If you look at any warzone, there are still people living somewhat normal lives outside of active combat zones or cities under siege.
12:28 people forget that insurgents have never been protected combatants. We’ve treated them decently as if they were uniformed combatants in recent conflicts simply because we could afford it and it looks better in the eyes of the international community. But they forget that in a war threatening the existence of the preeminent superpower, that’s less of a concern and forever wars all of a sudden don’t have a time limit when it’s close by because getting the boys home is no longer a campaign promise to be concerned about.
We had Cold War instructions for forming a partisan group. Wear an arm band or something for uniform, form a chain of command, cooperate with the army.
they forgot to add in the extreme die off from pestilence
Yup. This has been studied and reported-on by every administration since WW2, and commissions like The EMP Commission have reported on events like this to Congress every few years. With 2% of the population feeding the other 98%, and the choke points being grocery stores which are resupplied literally every day and carry a maximum 3-day supply of food, any action that takes out the truck drivers or farmers ends the nation as a whole. If something breaks down, it'll be quick, and it'll be ugly. The cities will empty, those people will flood the countryside, who has all the guns and all the ammo and no interest in serving as refugee center for the big cities. The cities would swamp the nearest suburbs and anywhere within a few miles of the highways, but once they run out of fuel (and they will very quickly), they'll setup camp. Better hope that's nowhere near you. The stench will reach around the world.
Not really. There would be smugglers and other "entrepreneurs" who would step in. It was like that in Yugoslavia and many other countries in civil turmoil.
@@djdjukicyou watch too many movies, who’s gonna come in from where?
I don't think that pestilence would result in an "extreme die off" such as it does in many Third World locations. Even with some "Anti-Vaxers" most of the citizens of the USA were inoculated as children. Despite an "unhealthy diet" and a majority of the population being obese, most are not vulnerable to most diseases. In Third World areas the vast majority of those who die of pestilence are children under five years of age; most of whom are malnourished from birth, and unvaccinated. Elderly people are vulnerable too.
Water borne contagions might pose a risk. However, death by dehydration and starvation are more of a threat. In a few of the significant conflicts of the 20th century it was rare for people to starve to death; unless confined such as the Warsaw Ghetto, a Concentration Camp, or similar circumstance. People can survive on an astonishing small amount of food. It takes years of malnutrition to make people vulnerable to pestilence. the "Spanish (USA) Flu" (Influenza) became such a serious global epidemic because hundreds of millions of people had spent years with reduced nutrition due to the Great War. Even neutral nations suffered due to disruptions in trade, and much farmland (and farmers) not being available or working in difficult circumstances.
We have never had a major nation, such as the USA, China, Japan, or the UK experience a devastating civil war in the era of "Skyscraper Mega Cities" so, we can't be sure what would occur. Speculation tends to the horrific!
@@paladinsix9285 agreed
Unrealistic in that the Excursion is the vehicle that you choose to go cross-country in an unstable nation
What would you use?
Skateboard 🛹 @@Stinger522
@@Stinger522 glad you asked! Nissan Frontier/Armada/Patrol would be my first choice . My 2013 Nissan Armada has been amazing to me. I used to work at a Nissan dealership and I've been religious with maintenance but it has gotten me 19mpg and towed 10k lbs on average every week for 8 years, and I can do relatively big work like hub assembly replacement in gas station parking lots (happened in Maryland) and parts/spares are plentiful. And they're made in Tennessee/Mississippi.
@@Stinger522 and I'm a big Ford guy, I have a studded 6.0 F-250 and a Bronco Sport, but cross-country? Maybe the Bronco, but I'd prefer my Nissan.
@@Stinger522 Excursion with the gas V10 you get 12mpg max, with the 6.0 diesel you can maybe get 20 mi per gallon but you are going to need to make sure your electrical system is always tuned up and that is going to be hard with all the computers that it has. If it is the 7.3 diesel, same thing about 12 mi per gallon.
Ironically, the dark comedy "Second Civil War" was a much more realistic movie about Civil War.
Probably cause this movie is not about "realistic military US civil war"
Logistics AF vet here, lots to nitpick, but so much better than most Hollywood “blockbuster” movies. As for the characters, the personified it well, the militia guys had simple training and messed up that ended in KIA, and the loyalists who were well trained dug in and did their best. Overall good movie with decent realism
I thought the movie overall was kinda boring, it's some of the LAST subjects that I'd want to see the point of view from in such a scenario. Wasted potential of the whole setting, IMHO.
However, my favorite part was when Kirsten Dunst offers the guy $300 for some gas and he laughs that it's only enough to buy a sandwich, to which she replies "Canadian dollars" and the guy's like "oh shit, yeah I'll take that, what time would you like your breakfast in the morning ma'am?" 🤣
Oh and the final military assault was aaallll sorts of wrong but I think you've covered that.
It was crazy boring for a supposedly bold subject.
It is an A24 movie.
They just seized on this “meme” about the civil war in America to have an easy marketing campaign to put butts in seats.
Tell everyone that they will see the full spectacle of the “USA civil war”
Then give them a movie about journalists talking to people.
It’s not supposed to be an action movie. For a movie that’s about the importance of journalism, I feel like journalists are probably pretty good subjects
How is it boring? It shows what a everday citizen, soliders on both sides and Unique people like reporters experiance
Hold up you lost your left arm?’
Same reaction
Same, was looking for this comment 😅
Thought the same. So curious what's going on here.
He told the story fairly at length like a year ago in a video. From what I remember,, after he got out, he was riding his bike on some trail, took a corner way too fast, crashed into some metal post or sign post or whatever,with a narrow edge and nearly amputated his arm, broke both bones and severed most of the flesh. He told a story of a drill sergeant telling him "Macbeth, never lose the will to live" or something that he remembered at the time, tied a tourniquet on his arm, called an ambulance, proceeded to walk towards the sirens when it came and couldn't find him out on the trail, got to a hospital where the doctors fixed up his arm. Scary shit.
@perrid13 such a freak accident!! And to think he probably would've lost that arm + a lot more blood if he didn't have a tourniquet with him, and the training on how to correctly use one.
I actually thought the alliance between Texas and California was an attempt to not play sides and show a seemingly left state and seemingly right state joining together to tackle a corrupt government. Don't get lost in the weeds about how "unrealistic " thier union is.
Really? I thought was beause there are more mexicans there xd
You know, the future
Spent most of the last 20 years in the military, Homeland Security response team, and government contractor. Your assessment was spot on. Any organized rebellion or coup would be wiped quickly. Then the military would start to struggle with supplies. US has huge stockpiles of supplies and munitions but only in a few locations.
How do you think the military would react to a President that was "black letter" constitutionally illegitimate because of an illegal third term?
@@ratroute8238depends.
If he keeps their pay decent, they’d probably just let him have it.
As a photographer, I called BS on the entire thing when I saw the so-called "photojournalist" shooting Nikon SLR's. Yeah, nah.. No one will be out there dealing with film or analog systems, it will be digital media all the way, older Nikon DSLR's? sure, you bet- But old 35mm is for Etsy craft stuff, not real world news reporting.
same, its a wannabe kid using her dads old camera in the movie, I think everything else was digital - but still silly
Give the bleeding hearts A24 from slack here - they just couldn't let it go. haha
Yeah that was definitely an odd moment. I was amazed at how well that old Nikon handled low-light environments with a lot of fast movement.
Obviously she was able to get her hands on some ISO 12000 film and fortuitously had it loaded for the indoors scenes.
I for one would not have cared to try shooting under those conditions without being able to chimp.
I wonder if a large EMP would get any or all digital cameras. Where old school mechanical cameras would be unaffected. Just a thought, not an excuse 😊
I looked it up to see what she was using and it turns out she also had a Sony mirrorless along with the film camera. You would absolutely want a digital camera but there are a lot of photographers who will shoot both so I don't think it's totally out of line. Also, it follows the rule of cool... old Nikon SLR's were the cool photojournalist camera.
I'm reading an old favorite sci-fi book that deals with, among other things, a lot of geopolitics and coups. Mostly in Europe and Asia. Everybody gangster until all the TVs start playing Swan Lake.
Which book?
What book?
@@llttrr It's called The Stone Canal by Ken MacLeod and it's the second in a series.
@@NonEuclideanTacoCannon Read them. He wrote those a long time ago. He has written a trilogy much more recently, which is much more inventive, called The Corporation Wars. A.I. and people being downloaded and future wars and just a lot of cool ideas.
I highly recommend them.
@@uncletiggermclaren7592 Yeah I enjoyed those ones too There's something charming about an author's earlier books though, even if a few parts are a little cringe here and there. Sometimes they dream up some manic fevered lunacy that they never quite reach again, even as the overall quality of their writing matures. The Star Fraction was a good example of that. I'm on to Cassini Division now, I'll probably skip the last one as it's slow and depressing.
No offense but Police should not be given MRAPs. They are civilians and not military. They are not under the UCMJ or the state military’s version of the UCMJ (National Guard and State Defense Force SAD). If anyone should have been given such vehicles it would be the National Guard or State Defense Forces.
This was a really good long form video and you did it very well. Please consider doing more like this and expanding your catalog.
I usually hate IMAX sound. Too compressed, distorted to sound loud.
I was impressed with the good sound production and really enjoyed it in IMAX.
Seconded. It (rather disturbingly) made even atrocities appear beautiful. It looked fantastic on IMAX and sounded even better. The score was also fantastic.
The war would look like The Troubles in Northern Ireland, this movie is completely ridiculous.
yeah thats what I keep saying. If we really had a large amount of civil unrest it would look more like the troubles with a few large riots sprinkled inbetween.
You can really tell this was made during the writer's strike
Ah yes, the "it can't happen here" mentality. Remember, that was just a movie (which I haven't bothered to watch), reality would be something different.
Sooo MRAP's, trucks, humvees and M113s with the odd booker & bradley.....
very naive comment
The final take away is the real reason this movie was made. This wasn't about showing cool US military tech, it was about showing all the americans who say that want a civil war, what a civil war would actually look like.
Exactly, it's a movie to warn us. To actually PAUSE and THINK: Is THIS what you **REALLY** want??!
A real civil war will go down in ways that no one expects or could predict and is FAR more uglyer since laws and rules become non-existent and chaos reigns.
Movies pretty much always depict things from landing zones to formations being far closer than they would realistically. This is simply a filming decision as having the proper spacing means they have to zoom out or quite honestly move the camera incredibly far back to capture everything.
We really, really, really don't want a civil war in the US.
Russia is trying its hardest to push vile memes on both sides to make it happen
How else are we going to put our king on the throne?.
@@jakeroper1096Russia have its own problems as well.
Paint Ball!!
North v South!!
@@MeoithTheSecondhe’s already been on the throne for a few days.
Basic training at benning taught us toss something out and yell, friendly, a yo, chem ligt, crevates, rock wraped ina rag.
I know I’m very late here, but I’d like to recommend a graphic novel called “DMZ”.
It follows the story of a photojournalist who observes a civil war in the United States, specifically in New York City.
"52 million dollar wind chime.". LMAO.
"The one thing about this scene is that there should have been more blood".
Earlier:
"This is what we call a clue".
A note about the logistics; picking California and Texas was very deliberate not only for story reasons but also logistics and economics reasons. Either one of those states (or New York, but they're loyalist in the movie for some reason), if they seceded or rebelled, control enough of the US's resources to be able to buy, bribe and field a military capable of giving the full strength US military a serious headache much less a military that has now been severely hurt by losing access to those resources.
If BOTH seceded, the US military would basically be crippled having basically only NY and whatever the rest of the states could cobble together for resources. But the movie says they not only did that BUT also worked together and combined forces and resources to form the Western Forces and fight the Loyalist Forces. CA and TX combined would have the money, manpower, raw resources and access to trade to field a reasonable facsimile of the US military. Them having the resources to field large numbers of aircraft and heavier land vehicles - hell, probably large naval craft - is not unbelievable. Hell they would probably outgun and outweigh the Loyalist Forces.
The other thing is that in civil wars/revolutions the force that can convince outside forces or groups to help or trade with them the most is usually the side that wins; given what we're shown in the movie, the motivations for the civil war and what led to it occurring it can pretty safely be assumed that the Loyalist Forces/States have been cut off from global trade and assistance while the Western Forces (CA and TX) can probably count on some form of international commerce and assistance still flowing.
Non service connected hearing loss was a hilarious joke at the end there. Love it.
I’m surprised that you left out the fact that not all active duty forces are going to follow one side or the other.
He actually did
How do you think the military would react to a President that was "black letter" constitutionally illegitimate because of an illegal third term?
We have an illagamiate president now nothin happned@@ratroute8238
I mean thats whats happening in movie so why would he talk about that
A similar deconflict scene with chemlights can also be seen in Zero Dark Thirty. Two SEAL teams were linking up on opposite sides of a gate. A person from both groups threw a small chemlight to identify themselves as friendlies.
The skit parody will be Oscar nominated for sure, but not sure what category.
I realized that you could remake "The Patriot" still starring Mel Gibson as an old vet, and that would be a more interesting modern Civil War setting.
Wow, the C-RAM looks exactly like a CIWS in this old Sailor's eyes.
It pretty much is. We just put it on a trailer.
Phalanx is a great piece of equipment
I think the CRAM is loaded with shells that detonate in the air so they don't come down on a town 19 miles away. The Navy is using heavy stuff like depleted uranium. They might have detonating stuff too now days, I don't know.
it is indeed the angy R2D2.
19:47 I actually think that’s a stylistic choice. A subtle hint that he didn’t actually intend to leave any of the reporters alive and was just messing with them.
by far the most unrealistic part of this movie is Texas and California agreeing on anything ever
A big thing to keep in mind is that I believe a huge percentage of the federal US army/air force switched sides in this movie and joined the western forces, after a long period of remaining neutral, but in reality whichever side the USN sided with would win, because neither side would be able to keep their leaders safe from carrier strikes
This channel really needs more Ryan skits. I can’t believe how much of this guys channel actually watch it’s entertaining and informative
I admit the skits are well crafted and I like his delivery on the presidential impressions.
I'm always surprised to see so many people saying that Texas and California would never unite. They already are united, that's what the US is. A bunch of states sharing power and disagreeing on everything. The point of the movie is that these states represent the ideological left and right fighting together against a dictator...which is what people should want.
Ok, but a US dictator can only get into dictatorship using a preexisting power base. Either Republican or Democrat. So won't happen for CA-TX. That's like making Virginia ally with New York in 1861.
Well, maybe they could get a dictator using other emergent issues, but even so the movie should have explained it more, can't just pop out and said it.
@@JohnJanesonWe don't know how it went in both states but if you look at voting patterns, the states themselves are pretty split. They probably had to fight back an attempted coup by loyalists, secured their power and then started discussing an alliance. It didn't happen in one day.
The dictator refused to let go of power...it only takes once crazy narcissist with a cult following to say "the election results are fake" or "we don't need to hold more elections, the people are obviously on my side, look at the crowd!"
@@JohnJanesonI thought it was a real weak spot. I get why they didn’t. Would’ve added a bunch of time.
My take also.
Well there was a bit different political climate back in the day (not saying that TX and CA couldnt agree in this day and age)
I think my ultimate problem with the entire movie was that it just came off as trauma porn. The ultimate theme of the movie seemed to just be "wow... War man... It sucks man."
I actually got mad at the insistence to not actually address any of the actual fault lines in this film's version of The US. It seemed like exploitation, which is kinda sad as I have thoroughly enjoyed the rest of Alex Garland's catalog, and ADORE Ahnihillation. I just felt he missed the mark on this one, and while he intended to just talk about the detachment the press has, I feel like it is only 1 part of the broader problem. He neglects that just as often press members are PASSIONATELY PERSONALLY INVESTED in the causes and will sometimes neglect important details because they believe the big picture doesn't justify their relevance.
I also feel like making a movie about a modern American Civil War without addressing the underlying reasons that people would wish to undergo this level of violence just makes people look like crazy machines. A US Soldier fighting his own countrymen would not have the same kind of opinions regarding those he is engaged in combat with as a US soldier in 1990's Mogadishu. I am jumping around, but I feel like they would have had a better story had they just done an alternate history piece about 1960's America falling into Civil War. Then at least they wouldn't have to pussyfoot around the reasons for the conflict and could still tell a story about journalists coldly and clinically ignoring underlying reasons for conflict.
I've heard an Apache in ACTUAL combat and the only noise I heard was what can only be described as a fart sound when it shoots. Also, the Apache is silent and deadly. The ones that helped us out of the ambush near Balad were up and at them so quietly that I almost didn't hear them until they were right on top of us. I see why they did it but realistically, it's not even close.
That wasn't an apache. Thump thum thump thump...
Not brrtrrrrrt
Maybe a DAP or something. That 30mil sound is unmistakable. Brrrrrt fart noise is a rotary gating style sound not a chain gun thumpping
The joke about the army blasting insurgents in days is not that realistic when you are fighting forever wars against farmers with toyotas, aks, and some ied‘s
That's what I've been saying lmao. So far the US Armed Forces hasn't had a good track record against insurgencies.
National insurgencies are easier to destroy
Insurgents in nations with no strong central governance or military of their own. And those Insurgents leaders (mostly) hid out of reach in "neutral" and "stable" nations (Packistan, Iran, ect), who where also fully supplying and supporting them in every way possible short of direct conflict (and even occasionally that). Even then the U.S/Coalition won literally every clash between armed forces. In a nation with a strong central government and military of it's own with neighbours who are *very* unlikely to house or support insurgents in any capacity, it's an entirely different outcome.
What you may not have noticed is that in the scene where the towns people are ”not involving themselves” in the civil war raging around them….there are actually snipers on the rooftops, suggesting either the town is only really able to escape the fray by killing anyone who tries to enter, or that the town itself is under siege from some faction or another and that this is enforced non-interference.
Quark for DS9 explained humanity at war the best. And our history shows it doesn't take much for the illusion of civilization to collapse.
I enjoyed Civil War for what it was, a movie about war journalism. One thing is to see the "finished work", like Ross Kemp or Chris Terrill, but for every "perfect" picture, there were hundreds that weren't "good enough". Chris Terrill did the Royal Commando Course at 55 and passed, Ross Kemp has his famous "man down" scene where he just throws journalism out of the picture to help a wounded british lad. Those are just the more known ones to me as a foreigner.
@@dffndjdjd And its actual themes *are?*
@@altechelghanforever9906 Using journalists as the main characters as a rationale to move through the states from encounter to encounter in a small vulnerable group (making it more relatable), while giving them a reason to be there at the end
It's the similar rationale as used in Apocalypse Now.
@@dffndjdjd For the OP it was about War Journalism. For you it was an exploration of human character on both ends. Everyone is going to get something different. Sorta like the bible.
The one thing that makes the movie 157% unrealistic is California and Texas uniting 😂
You’re right. There’s never any unlikely alliances in wars and Civil Wars are always fought over 100% clean and obvious ideological lines. A common enemy has never united two very different groups before. Totally unrealistic.
You would be surprised how much California and Texas interest aligned.
Like what?@@TheSmsawyer
@@Aka-293 Like being two of the largest economies and the fact that ideological divides are largely an urban vs rural phenomenon. Voting patterns in both states aren't that far apart once you account for population distribution.
I always get concerned with these comments since the unrealistic nature of California and Texas teaming up is the point.
The social impact the movie would have with a "realistic" split would be far, far worse.
My biggest problem with the movie, right off the bat, is the idea of Texas and California teaming up to fight a civil war. I could see them in a civil war AGAINST each other, but I can't think of two states less likely to fight WITH each other. Let alone them travelling halfway or all the way across America to fight someone. Haven't seen the movie, probably wont.
Thanks Ryan, great review. I served in the army but have never been in combat. What I have done is play paintball (I know it doesn’t compare well) against disorganized opfors and really well organized opfors. Not getting tagged in a paintball game against a well organized and disciplined opfor is a real challenge I can’t imagine how a real firefight would go.
Thanks to all our vets for their service and I hope nothing like a real civil war ever happens again in this country.
I love how Hearts of Iron 4 modders somehow made a more accurate depiction of a second American civil war (with Kaiserreich) than a multi million dollar movie ever could.
To be fair, Kaiserreichs scenario is based on the 1930s, and A24 wanted to distance themselves from current tensions.
I enjoy Kaiserredux more😂
Well, their expences are a bit different
@15:43 one quick correction here. Brandon Lee was killed as the result of a blank being fired AFTER a squib fire (from what was supposed to be an improvised dummy round) lodged a hollow point projectile in the barrel. The armorer was off set due to a migraine and his assistant was the only one present when the director requested dummy rounds for a scene where the gun would be pointed directly at the camera. (the tips of the bullets would be visible when looking down the barrel of a loaded colt anaconda) Instead of procuring proper dummy rounds, the assistant decided he would make his own dummy rounds by modifying live hollow point cartridges. He carefully removed the projectiles with some pliers, poured out the powder and pressed the projectiles back into the cartridges with a vice, leaving the LIVE PRIMERS in place. The primer in a cartridge does not exert enough force to push the projectile all the way through the barrel, but it CAN lodge the bullet PART WAY down the barrel. This is what results in the vast majority of videos where an AR-15 blows up in someone's face after shooting some shotty hand loads. (always check to make sure the projectile ejects with the cartridge when clearing a malfunction). At some point during the filming, the actor pulled the trigger on one of the squib load cartridges, lodging a hollow point projectile the barrel. While this event wouldn't be nearly as loud as a blank or live cartridge going off, it should have made a considerable amount of noise. But, likely due to ignorance of the firearm being used, no one on set realized the significance of what happened. And when the time came to shoot the scene with the blanks, Brandon Lee's fate was sealed. The gun was loaded with blank cartridges with more than enough powder to accelerate the lodged projectile to speeds up to 1,400 feet per second.
I pay RUclips not to watch commercials, what do I get out the box? Commercials!
did anyone else have Sgt. Major Sixta yell "Grooming standards!" in their head when Ryan said it?
"your moostache hayirs are outta regoolation."
god i love Generation Kill. My girlfriend also really enjoyed it and she doesnt like "combat movies" but the writing, the acting and characters is just too good.
@@gixlopez screwby
The America Civil war was only able to happen because there was no nation wide rail road yet. Families and friends were not dispersed throughout every city, every branch, base, and business like we are today. For this simple fact I say good luck getting an American Civil war to happen today.
@@koba_Lyle I mostly agree, and I'd also flag automated/Machine Learning analysis of communications and facial recognition as another reason that would make it hard to start a civil war, but it is not totally out of the question if enough people supported it
I could envision a situation where various states might seriously consider seceding, or counties in multiple states might become effectively ungovernable.
I think that climate change might actually become a positive force in keeping the states together because a lot of the coastal southern states will end up needing federal resources to cope with the impact of the climate change.
Tough to do if you're your own country.
Civil war 2.0 would look a lot different.
Something closer to Lebanon or Syria. Actually worse than shown.
Please don't feed the monkeys
@@user-hx2ve8sy6b Tell me how you'd get any part of the Marine corps, Army, Navy, Air Force, National Guard, ect; to fight one another or any large part of the citizenry of the USA? Please tell me. Ain't gonna happen. Instead we make movies like this.
11:02 Thanks Ryan, now I know how many people I need to paint my house.
As a Virginia, I do not understand how you could like Virginia Beach I normally 45 to 60 minute drive took eight hours once
I haven't seen it, but I saw someone suggest the lack of explanation of why people are fighting may have been intended to reflect how people respond to social media, that they'll let nonsense internet posts convince them to bumble into a civil war.
Regarding the trigger discipline issue with the red-sunglasses guy, that also may have had something to do with that the original actor was unexpectedly unavailable right before shooting, so Kirsten Dunst got her husband to jump in last minute. Think I recall reading was literally like 48h before shooting, so he had to ad hoc it quite a bit.
" Kirsten Dunst got her husband to jump in last minute" sounds like bullshit third-hand gossip that people like to repeat.
Might have been intentional. I don't think he was a legitimate soldier as much as a wannabe who either joined a side or picked the dregs off a corpse given he's one of the only people in the movie who seems to just be doing whatever he wants. Plus peeling off the name tags, but leaving the insignia and infantry patch support this, I think. He wants to appear like a legitimate soldier. Alternatively, his lack of discipline adds to his air of unpredictability and disregard for safety and life which adds tension to the scene
@@IchiEyes I think he stole a uniform off a corpse laying around and took the name off it to avoid questions.
@@sammiller6631Looks legit, even says so on IMDB trivia.
"Jesse Plemons joined the cast just days before his scene was supposed to be shot due to the original actor dropping out. Kirsten Dunst, Jesse's wife, recommended Plemons to director Alex Garland."
Also, TIL that Plemons is Kirsten Dunst's husband. Wow
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