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What gets me (as a civilian) is "how would anyone access....any of that with the floor that cluttered? And it doesn't look like scattered entropy clutter, but organized and placed there, blocking off access to the back."
What gets me is that there is so much verified information out there about Hamas' atrocities (and its now getting more and more with the released hostages telling their experiences) that it's completely unnecessary to fake anything.
It looks like it's there for show. An old Pink Floyd album cover shows all of the band's touring gear laid out in front of their truck in a similar way. The arrangement isn't how it's loaded into the truck, or how it's set up onstage. It's strictly to be shown. Like art. Maybe a teenage gang banger wannabe would lay out a half dozen guns that way, but not a militia.
It might be because I'm a researcher in computer graphics, but I notice these AI generated images almost instantly in most cases, not by f*ed up details, but because they look like professional photoshoots with post processing, also often with weird focal lengths
only because compression looks like someone shot 135mm in a tight tunnel with perfectly lit concrete walls and no light shining from the weapons doesn't mean that it's fake!!!1!! Kidding aside: Good point.
I'm betting the majority of intial content used to train the AI was stock images creating a bias towards overly photoshopped studio shoots or completely out of context pictures.
It’s sort of funny that the ways AI gets things wrong are so similar to how malevolent fairies or other creatures in European pre-Christian myths would make the same mistake! Like they’d be almost indistinguishable from a child you’d want to help and would try to lure you in and they’d get something wrong - like too many fingers, webbed fingers, missing limbs, impossible eye colors, ears or feet from the wrong species - and would then quickly reveal themselves in attack when confronted about it.
I like to think of AI generators as operating under the behaviour of a "cargo cultist". Cargo cult is a phenomenon dating back from WW2 where some island natives suddenly were exposed to the state of modern American logistics (airplanes, ships, radio, etc) but had no concept of how they worked. The natives got a taste for the fruits of these logistics for things like cigarettes and Coca Cola. Sometimes they became dependant on food shipments even (trading labor for rations) so when the war ended, they set up their own "radio sets" complete with bamboo antennas and coconut half shell earmuffs connected with rope cables, in an attempt to make logistics calls for air supply. They understood that things looking like certain things were necessary to summon useful and delicious stuff, but they hadn't much understanding of the EM spectrum. AI generates in a very cargo cult manner in that it understands that words correlate to certain image features, but it hasn't any direct sense of the what it feels like to pull a crunchy AK trigger, let alone correlate the words of dense storage logistics to how things should look. Even worse, many of us also don't have any idea of how to do certain practical things so we basically have cargo cultists employing cargo cult algos creating content for cargo cultists looking for emotional compulsion. It's an interesting mess, but I get the feeling that it's not a new one. We just have added yet another layer of cargo cultist in the information chain. If I am trying to be wise, I don't just sit back and laugh at cargo cultists. I see them as a cautionary tale which warns me to ask how I am being a cargo cultist in the positions that I hold. The real lessons in life show me the problems in my philosophy more than they help me feel smarter than others.
AI image generators are perhaps more accurately described as a collage rendering tool. Like having a 6 year old with the artistic ability of a 65 year old master painter but can't be arsed to do detailed work.
Cargo cults are extremely common in when writing software, especially if a project is delayed a few years and everyone that started it is replaced. Someone misunderstood something about a tool but managed to both together something that worked for the application, then someone comes along that knows just a little about the tools, but also very little about the application, and definitely nothing about the reasons. So we end up with coding rules based on a assembly languages as written in the 1970s being applied to modern languages in 2023.
it's way easier than this. is not that AI doesn't understand the complexity of so and so. it understands nothing. it's not sentient. same goes for LLMs. images are just collages based on higher percentage. LLMs just renders the next more probable word according to the database. you can look into how the GO AIs can beat world champions (well, former, now all champions are AI models) and lose to a person who just learnt how to play. there's a paper on it
A minor point to the AI generation: It certainly understands composition in as much as the image as a whole is beautifully composed with a perfectly framed tunnel end and an absolute wall of guns. The devil is in the detail, rather than the overview. The reason for this is that it doesn't just pick one place to begin, like Cody indicated, but starts at every point at once. None of the points will at this point agree with any of the neighbors, so after the first step you have a blurry mess that is only slightly more interesting than the static you started with. But then the process repeats again, and now you start seeing darker and lighter blurs in some areas, which gain definition step by step until you end up with a coherent image. The more time and computing power you can throw at the image, the larger the coherent area gets, as each view can "see" a larger and larger area. Up to a point, anyway. You also need an AI which understands the concept of a firearm well enough to know that it only has one magazine and one barrel, or else no amount of computing power will save you. Count the fingers is good advice; but it's only good advice right now. Hundreds of teams around the world are working on figuring out how to fix the composition problem generally or the finger problem in particular, and there's every possibility AIs will no longer make that particular mistake in six months. Six months ago, mangled text would have been the obvious giveaway. Hell, up until a week a go a short video clip was safe. It's much more telling that rather than poorly lit cellphone camera image snapped by a soldier in a cave with piles of guns, you saw a perfectly framed and centered image, well lit and clear, showing guns on display. AI's are usually trained to make "good" images, and most real images from a warzone aren't going to be good. If it looks like a Pulitzer prize contender it likely won't be shared on facebook or reddit. The journalist would have sold the image to a big media company, who'd clamp down on the valuable image until the article was ready and they could max out the ad revenue.
One persistent problem I have with these diffusion based image generators is that they tend to be really indecisive when there are multiple, mutually exclusive ways to draw something. They have a nasty tendency to get stuck trying to render many solutions at once without ever settling on any one of them, regardless how many iterations you give them. This comes through particularly clearly when you task them to draw weapons. An AI might have a pretty good idea of what a rifle looks like, but typically won't be able to decide exactly what kind of rifle it is drawing unless maybe if you've given it very specific instructions. So you end up with familiar elements from loads of different rifles haphazardly cobbled together in a manner that looks good at first glance, but doesn't hold up to even surface lever scrutiny. I suspect we may be reaching the limit of what diffusion based techniques can do. At least without drastically improving the quality of the training data with way more accurate and detailed descriptions, or perhaps a more structured training scheme that puts greater emphasis on coherence over detail. I haven't tried any GANs yet. Don't know if they are any better in this regard.
I tend to look at the finer details that give the image away. For starters, there isn't a single hanger, fastener, hook, or other hardware anywhere in the picture holding or mounting the guns to the wall. But, maybe they're using Alien Tape to hold them up. Secondly, the shadows are off.On the right side of the image, the gun barrels produce a very wide shadow, and on the left side of the image, the gun barrels produce a narrow shadow, even though the gun barrels are all fairly consistent in width and evenly spaced in position and distance from the light. The guns on the back wall are not producing any shadows, except for the handgun in the center which is only producing a shadow from the barrel, and not from the rest of the gun, such as the grip. With the lighting all coming from above equally along the tunnel, there would only be vertical shadowing on the tunnel walls, and not horizontal shadowing between the ridges in the walls. You wouldn't see the light and dark striping between the ridges if it were all being illuminated equally from above, you would be seeing shadows below extrusions, and not beside extrusions. Most of the shadows from the guns leaning on the walls don't match in shape to the actual item, and there are shadows from gun barrels that aren't there, and shadows that don't go all the way from the butt of the gun to the barrel, having a separate shadow that touches the butt of the gun than the shadow that touches the barrel of the gun. It feels fake because your mind knows how shadows should work and it confuses your mind when you're presented an image with conflicting lighting and shadowing. You might not know why the image feels fake, but your mind tells you that something isn't right here.
Thankfully the creators of this are really bad a making AI generated images and think prompting SDXL is a magic wand, I'm glad most of these reject don't even know how to use it correctly.
huh? Who gives a shit. Listen: IA is smarter than the average person, like me. IA is still not smarter than the people who programed it. (And yes, they are smarter than the average person.) End result: why do people fall for such failed results?
@@thesaw9988 AI isn't smart at all. It has no intelligence and has no idea what it's actually responding with. It's just a pattern prediction algorithm that mimics the training model it was trained on.
Scary thing is we are only at the beginning of this tech. As algorithms evolve, they will become more and more realistic leaving the uncanny valley in its wake.
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One can only hope that the tech still has a level of jank that anyone paying attention knows its fake like with the details Ryan pointed out that anyone familiar with guns in some capacity would know, like the magazines on the guns.
@@Chinothebad The problem is that many look at these kinds of photos, not to analyze them but to confirm their bias, so a quick glance is often all that's needed. But yeah, I agree.
@@hiker64 Oh no doubt about that. People won't give it a second look unless they were skeptical and had a BS meter or someone pointed out a flaw that would warrant a second look. Other problem, after looking at the Reddit thread and seeing how its OP acted, some people will no doubt willingly believe a lie and claim others are lying while denying the fact they're literally buying into an image that has some obvious lies as shown with the guns.
"A lie will make it out the door and across town while the truth is still pulling on it's pants and tying it's shoes." said some wise fellow. Besides, people would rather have a lie that confirms their bias than a truth that challenges it.
I think my favorite part of this is that they probably added some caption about hospital/hospital gear so the AI decided to add a BUNCH of scalpels and other medical eqp. randomly on the floor.
The insight by Cody was good to see as another person in the tech field, very well explained. Misinformation doesn't have to be foolproof, it needs to be "good enough" for the average person to fall for it, AI image/audio/video generation is good enough to trick the average fool. What's gonna be interesting is when AI gets good enough to fool more than the average person.
The thing that stuck out to me was the fact that most of the AKs look like they were drawn from memory by a 6th grader. Also some of the shells on the back wall have round bottoms which make no sense. Also some guns have a barrel where the stock should be.
There's another angle that's worth paying attention to, though it will take you a while to really get an eye for it - The shadows cast by the rifles are plain wrong. For example, you know the "rifle" on the bottom right that has two mags going in opposite directions? There's a rifle next to it that's got some kind of really weird twist going on. It's casting two shadows despite the rifles next to it only casting one. Besides the program losing track of which light source is casting what shadows, if you look, the shadows indicate that some of these rifles are hovering off the wall. It looks very much like a video game character that doesn't actually quite meet the floor and is hovering off the ground by like half an inch. I can also see errors with where the light source is making highlights on various items. For instance, you might see how the light reflects off of a specific rifle, making highlights and shadows and then notice that the rifle next to it doesn't even remotely agree. Like rifle X is lit from the front and rifle Y is lit from the rear.
Even if it wasn't AI, who the fuck in any military in what is essentially an active warzone, is mounting their guns to the wall as if it was some gun enthusiasts den?
I admit I know next to nothing about guns, never served in a military but I am quite confident not even Hamas would just hang RPG, mortar and artillery shells on a wall like that.
Nation! Calm down, it is ok Nation. This person is just new to the truth of truthyness. They are the right place though. They know the truth in their gut - the most important part of the body for determining truth. They are just using a foreign word for it. They are here now though, Nation. Here in the right place, where we'll get them speaking American soon enough.
It doesn’t even need to good AI to fool someone. My mom was totally engrossed in a video about some celebrity on her smartphone. The voices speaking were so obviously text to speech generated. I tried to tell her it was not real voices she was listening to. But she totally dismissed me because what she was listening to was what she wanted to hear. Old people are stubborn like mules.
@@jerrylong381It's not just confirmation bias. I can't explain the how and why of it but some people have a really bad blind spot when it comes to computer generated speech and it has been a thing for a pretty long time. I want to say that I first noticed it roughly 2005ish. As bad as computer generated speech was back then, I still new a few people that literally couldn't tell. As this software improves, this is only getting worse. Was watching a video a couple of days ago and the narration actually had me fooled for a couple of minutes. Weird methods of saying numbers caught my attention and then I listened a little more closely and noticed some weird accent mixing. Numbers are very often a dead giveaway. A program will often say them in a way that no native english speaker would actually use, even if it is *technically* correct.
@@ColonelSandersLite I'm 62 and usually can't stand text generated speech. It grates on my ears and I'll skip videos that have it, but you are right about it improving greatly in the last few years.
@@jerrylong381 What I'm talking about isn't really an age thing. The people I mentioned would have been in their teens and 20s at the time and we're talking about the state of the art freeware circa 2005ish. So, you know, MS Sam and stuff. I think it's some kind of auditory equivalent of dyslexia. It's not just being tone deaf. They couldn't pick up on the seriously wrong rhythm and pacing of the generated speech. I'm not a doctor or anything so I don't know whether or not this is a known studied condition or if it's relatively unknown. I just know for sure that it exists. I expect that, like dyslexia, it probably has a range that goes from very mild to very severe. The people I was spotting in the mid to late 2000s would have to be the severe cases but today the software is good enough to fool a whole lot of people.
Good analysis. However, we must consider that as AI gets better, let's be cautious when creating standard rules such as "count the fingers" to determine truth so that future DIP doesn't pass a simple checklist
Maybe, but a lot of these problems stem from the vagueness of human language combined with the fact that the Algorithm doesn't actually understand any of what it's drawing.
@@silentdrew7636 agree, and that's with today's technology. I understand that is a good point to evaluate today's AI tech this way, yet the field is progressing so quickly that I don't know how long it will stay valid
I thought it was really weird how the guns on the side walls all looked like they were all radiating outwards in circular arcs from a central point near the table. Like who would store guns like this? It is like someone asked an AI to draw the Big Bang, so it drew all these guns flying out of the center of the universe.
Laugh, but I had a co-worker, about fifteen years ago, who actually believed the, "Don't believe everything you see on the Internet" quote by Abraham Lincoln was real. He had absolutely no idea. And no, I'm not kidding.
@@biggerdickus No, he had no idea when Lincoln was President nor did he know ANYTHING about how old the Internet was. You know there ARE people out there that don't care about that kind of stuff, right?
1:33 I appreciate you video. Now that it’s been 86 days since October 7, we can say with absolute fact that Isr@el has and is using white phosphorus on the civilian population, as proven by (according to human rights watch) verified video and witness accounts + Egyptian doctors’ testimony in Arish hospital in Sinai who are treating Ghaza patients who were allowed to leave Ghaza for treatment. You say white phosphorus is not illegal, however according to human rights watch, “Its use in densely populated areas of Gaza violates the requirement under international humanitarian law that parties to the conflict take all feasible precautions to avoid civilian injury and loss of life.” If you’ve heard the doctors’ testimonies describing the 4th degree burns (something I didn’t even know was possible) patients got from white phosphorus - and how the chemical penetrates the skin to the bone, we would not be calmly discussing this. If it’s not clear that white phosphorus is illegal it is crystal clear that it is immoral.
Just want to say you do fantastic work. It feels like most of the time, people could stand to be a lot more skeptical, especially on topics they're not well versed in. It feels like in this day and age fact checking is almost more important than putting out the facts themselves
Also with AI look for things that should be symmetrical or continuous. Shirts with two breast pockets aren’t that strange but it is odd when one is square with a round flap while the other is sorta pentagon shaped with a square flap. A smooth shirt with unevenly spaced buttons. Fences made by M. C. Escher. A road with randomly placed lines and stripes. Car wheels, tire treads, and lettering ofter have the same issue (though they can be easily replaced).
The first thing that leaped out at me with that image was the 'mortar bombs' hanging on the wall, the idea of hanging something that goes bang off a high point with a hard landing is ... interesting 😱
Nice work Ryan. But, you don't need to go nearly that far. One look at that photo, and I see it's fake. _(I don't need to look at any of the weapons for even a nanosecond.)_ 1) Gaza is one monster sized beach, down to about 50m to 60m. It's all sand and salt deposits. 2) That's why Hamas has to go in and _"bunker-up"_ all their tunnels with concrete walls, ceilings, and floors. 3) That photo shows sandstone rock, not sand. And, not a drop of concrete anywhere. 4) And, to get any sandstone, you have to go north into Lebanon, or SE deep into Sinai. _(Judean Highlands are of the famous Jerusalem white limestone.)_
@@karlshorstzwei That's a good one. When does an arid grassland, stop being an arid grassland, and becomes a desert? That's a good question. Desertification is happening in many areas. But, when do we change their classification?
The first time I saw the hospital "armory" I burst out laughing, bc it looked exactly how someone would arrange guns in a gun shop. I don't know about the US practice, but in the Greek Army any off-duty personnel weapons are unloaded (i.e. no magazines on), locked in their gun racks, and the ammo is stored separately, for obvious reasons. I don't know about artillery rounds, I was trained as an infantryman, but I believe the same, if more stringent precautions apply. No man with army or military experience would believe this was a real armory.
usually. but that pope with the big coat one was great tbh it was obviously fake because.... it was the pope on a big designer coat. but from a photography viewpoint it was pretty ok there's people who point (in general) to hands (which got pretty better tbh) or abherrations, but you can just.... crop them, depending on the composition. subject too centered? crop. and this is not including AI generated photo editing tools, which in a few services is included
When trying to spot AI imagery, the very first thing to look for is deformities. AI is like someone who has seen various examples of something, but has no clue what each part is, and is then asked to create a new image from memory. In the image (if you pause at 4:52) on the left-hand wall you can see a rifle with two barrels pointing in opposite directions (!!!) This is a classic case of AI imagery. It's so blatant that the only people who would claim this image to be real are very stupid or detached from truth.
I'm still imagining President Biden calling general Austin into the oval office and asking, "How is screwing over that one E4 we talked about going" and general Austin replying, "It's the Defense Department's top priority". It's impossible for high level government officials to micromanage even important stuff. Like she said, "it's just too big"
Legitimately thank you for putting in the work to clarify things that may appear to be true. As a teacher it is a constant battle to correct misinformation.
Generative image AI is incredibly impressive until you look at the details and see stuff like more than 5 digits on hands, or hands in impossible Escher-like positions. I have no idea how the AI is able to just come up with the body poses, but something about them is oddly similar to the way the AI arranged the weaponry in the image here. Edit: And bang, Ryan provides a great explanation on convolutions and how the model generates the image. Fascinating stuff.
I love that you went through and talked about all the practical reasons for why this wouldn't be a real bunker full of guns to show that it must be AI generated, when most everybody else just looks at it and goes "yeah that's an AI image. I can tell because of the way that it is." Lol. But even beyond the nonsensical "munitions" on the back wall and the malformed rifles, even something as simple as the lighting/shadows was an instant red flag to me. It just doesn't look right. Honestly, the fact that there are so many obvious issues with the image makes me think this must have been uploaded by a troll in the hopes that clueless people would believe it, because if this is the best that actual bad actors trying to spread misinformation are capable of, it's just sad lol
5:43 I am henceforth requesting that this weapon be designated as the glorp because of the way that it is it fires the whole cartridge and is fully semi automatic
Fascinating! You know...28 years ago...long before AI and this sort of synthetic photo forgery, there was a sub-plot in the original film version of Judge Dredd where a digitally-forged version of a photo was analyzed and described. In listening to this explanation, there are basic, yet remarkably similar elements. I doubt anyone had a solid idea of the potential of digital photo forgery back in 1995. It's a bit terrifying to see how fast it has developed in the very few years (really months) since AI-assisted photo manipulation has been a thing. Great video, Ryan.
The US government really needs to invest in technology to determine what is AI, and what is real. AI generated images (that aren’t touched up with adobe programs/photoshop) are currently easy to distinguish, but pretty soon, it will be completely indistinguishable.
Issues: - We already make these AI detection tools to train the AI image generation tools. Researchers then try to make the generator/detection tool beat each other until they trade wins/losses and the generated images look good. - A trusted detector giving false negative results lends more credibility to fake images. - A trusted detector giving false positive results discredits real images. - A staged image is real, but can be just as deceptive as an AI generated one. A true negative result on a real image doesn't mean the image isn't "fake" in other ways. - A public detector can easily be trained against to make it give false results. - A secret detector can announce false results if its owner decides to. - We can already "fix" AI generated images manually to make them even harder to detect. - Hope for a technological solution to people lying delays adoption of real mitigations. - We've had issues with propaganda and deceptive media for generations. Technological shortcuts to verification don't solve the problem, encourage people to skip actual verification/consideration of evidence, and can easily make the problem worse.
One of the first things I look for is 'how practical' is it and in this image there is no walkway allowing access to the items at the back so nobody would ever store guns & ammo that need easy access like this. You then go to the point that everything in this image is placed for 'show' which again is not how anyone would store these, a simple box on the floor filled with identical guns or bullets etc is much more practical as taking one out gives access to the others and you can store many more in the limited space and still have access. Great videos so keep up the good work as you are making people think about what they are seeing.
For me, it was the curvature and texture of the wall, the shadowing was completely off, the back wall lacked latches holding the items up plus way too close together and the whole floor was too pretty and perfect and most importantly blocking the flow to the back. Looks like something you would see in a video game. My question is who put it up. Thanks for doing this, you are right, many would just accept this as truth. Plus I learned to look for fingers and toes in Ai pictures.
The scary part is that this was just lazy AI. With enough knowledge, perseverance and computing power, you can create a near perfect image or modify an existing real image.
As soon as I saw that image I thought it was so fake that it wasn't an intended DIP but rather an editorial comic. And I am not military experienced and most definitely fall in the group of people who would "want it to be true" As an editorial comic with the caption of "Hospital equipment in Gaza" it is spot on. As a purported actual photo it is incredibly fake.
I'll also point out that all the things on the walls don't have any supports for the guns to stick onto. It just looks like the guns are stuck on the wall.
I think another name for “truthiness” is simple confirmation bias: we treat stuff that supports our existing opinions with way less skepticism than stuff that might challenge them. One thing I’ve realized as a result of this Gaza situation is we’re already living in a “post truth” world. Each side believes a completely different set of facts and can find any “evidence” they need to support their narrative.
I think you could route people to look into collapsing wave functions if they want to understand a bit deeper into the processes shared for the generation of such images. But very good information!
One of my friends expected me to praise them or compliment an AI image they had just generated in front of me. It was so weird that I kept silent. Like, what do you want from me?! The image was not good.
@@oohhboy-funhouse I was more talking about conspiracy theorists getting mad, but yeah that happens too. It gets increasingly less funny the more it happens
Honestly, as someone who uses AI imagery to make up some guiding art for a book i am writing, i am just amazed by how close the AI got to making actual weapons. Cant do swords, flintlock pistols or ships, but somehow, replicates an AK pretty solidly. ... except for the double barrels lol
Sorry but wrong, people love being lied to unconsciously, semi-consciously if it serves their needs, what I could only describe as an active confirmation bias. I know because my mom is like that, even after hundred of debunk she will happily forward to hundred of "friends" the next BS and they will do the same. No amount of debunk will ever trigger a followup "sorry that was fake" or "I should be more careful". Good video but sadly doesn't address the problem, I have no idea what would.
It's crazy that AI chooses to put 6 fingers on humans, I wonder if the 6 fingers is the common thing for AI art. Humans have dominant and recessive genes, which both determine what gets expressed as traits. Humans have a dominant gene to have 6 fingers and 6 toes, but since the recessive gene is more commonly expressed 5 fingers, I wonder if the computer took that into account. Since dominant genes normally win out on the gene expression game, maybe the computer has that info and just concluded that it should be that way. Either that or it just like drawing fingers.
I mean if you see it at the corner of your eye: looks fine Look at it and you just laugh. God damn barrels on backwards, shit that are gunshaped but wtf is it even etc ... But yeah, will fool 95% of people on fb and twitter
What stood out to the RIGHT AWAY, is in the upper left corner of that photo, right next to the blue mortar looking thing, it cuts off the weapon to the left of it. LOL.
NO ONE will actually think that image is real at a glance... Making a story about this is just dishonest. I know nothing about guns or the military. This looks like a fallout 4 base layout lol.
0:36 Aw yes, The good old reliable Double sided arty shell between the AK's on the top left and what I assume are miniature hypersonic missiles on the right, Can fire either way its loaded 😂
I mean, it is obviously supposed to be a joke, right? It's so nonsensical this is either some oddball false-flag trying to portray pro-Israel posters as distributing fakes or some sort of inside joke
i disagree, ryan, most people are capable of critical thinking but most people do not exercise this part of their brain and thus it has atrophied; most people find life easier if they do not have to think; hence the existence of faux news. You can agree tacitly as i know many of your viewers do not exercise critical thinking
I find the biggest sign that the image is fake is the fact that there is no path down the center for a person to walk through all of that and make a selection. If they needed something on the back wall they would have to either move everything or literally walk over everything. If you are setting up an armory you dont make it so that the majority of your weapons are blocked from quick access.
Fun fact: having six fingers is actually the dominant trait in genetics meaning that if one parent has six fingers that their child will also have six fingers.
two more AK's on the right wall have double ended barrels too lol and one on the lower right portion of the rear wall has a magazine that layered with two magazines at different angles
I think I spotted another AI generation, that Cody almost had me fooled but the way he talks has that uncanny valley thing that makes me realize he’s AI generated! Almost had me Ryan! Just kidding guys, I really really appreciated the dumbed down explanation. That made it easy to understand for a techno idiot like myself.
Unfortunately your guest was completely wrong about how AI image generation similar to Stable Diffusion works (which is just about the only useful way right now). Composition is the key feature of the algorithm, in fact it’s bad at processing details locally, and one could say it only operates by “composition”. In each step of generation, the algorithm resolves a little bit of detail out of all the noise everywhere simultaneously. After some steps, what is being processed is more image than pure noise and steps are “modifying an image” rather than “resolving details from noise” all according to the prompt. The prompt can include a LoRA, which is a mini model that could be trained on something relatively abstract like a mood, art style, or an “underground militia armory” composition. Or it could be something specific like a specific model firearm or vehicle or an individual.
The hand problem is slowly being resolved as better models are trained from cleaner data. Mistakes in image generation occur because the model approaches an ambiguity about what should resolve from the noise in forming feature that would become an object: it doesn’t have a strong (statistical) preference (for example) for a mortar vs an artillery shell. Typically this is because there weren’t enough distinct examples of two similar objects for the model to have formed a strong understanding of the difference. Odd placement would also be due to not having enough examples of “correct” placement of that object type. Finally, training images are much more useful with detailed and correct tagging. If it’s only relevant training images were only tagged “materiel, you’d be lucky to get a distinction between munitions and firearms. We are pulling meaning out of the void of noise with the grasp of the model’s incomprehensible latent space. Cleaner training data gets a saner model capable of grasping finer details, like how to draw hands, that a typical firearm only has one barrel and magazine, and just the general concept of symmetry I guess.
Fantastic and informative! As one more aside, given the bombing and lack of obvious brackets or ties to keep everything in position, the idea of an area under Gaza being this neat is absurd.
Palestine was originally supposed to be the bigger more powerful country. All they had to do was live in peace with Israel. But they always chose war. I pray they learn to choose peace some day.
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Stop defending terrorism. The hospital was full of tunnels underneath
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Stowing bombs on the back wall. BAHAHAHA. The guy who mounted a big ass sword over his son's crib thinks that's dumb.
The AK with two barrels had some very promising results with managing recoil but was not popular in close quarters combat training…
What about the rifle with the backwards under barrel grenade launcher? 😂
The trick is to spin around while firing, creating a circle of death.
@@theimmortal4718 send those back to Russia lol
@@theimmortal4718while it was a novel idea, it just never caught on.
Q: "Is it magazine fed, breach or muzzle loading?" A: "Yes."
What gets me (as a civilian) is "how would anyone access....any of that with the floor that cluttered? And it doesn't look like scattered entropy clutter, but organized and placed there, blocking off access to the back."
It's supposed to look laid out. When stuff like that is found, they'll usually lay it out, catalog it, and take a picture before it's taken away.
What gets me is that there is so much verified information out there about Hamas' atrocities (and its now getting more and more with the released hostages telling their experiences) that it's completely unnecessary to fake anything.
lol
It looks like it's there for show. An old Pink Floyd album cover shows all of the band's touring gear laid out in front of their truck in a similar way. The arrangement isn't how it's loaded into the truck, or how it's set up onstage. It's strictly to be shown. Like art. Maybe a teenage gang banger wannabe would lay out a half dozen guns that way, but not a militia.
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It might be because I'm a researcher in computer graphics, but I notice these AI generated images almost instantly in most cases, not by f*ed up details, but because they look like professional photoshoots with post processing, also often with weird focal lengths
only because compression looks like someone shot 135mm in a tight tunnel with perfectly lit concrete walls and no light shining from the weapons doesn't mean that it's fake!!!1!!
Kidding aside: Good point.
Yea there's this weird plasticky sheen to it too, like watching a soap-opera...🤔
@@EroticOnion23 yeah that's usually what makes it clear to me
I'm betting the majority of intial content used to train the AI was stock images creating a bias towards overly photoshopped studio shoots or completely out of context pictures.
Yea the lighting and focal length are odd.
It’s sort of funny that the ways AI gets things wrong are so similar to how malevolent fairies or other creatures in European pre-Christian myths would make the same mistake! Like they’d be almost indistinguishable from a child you’d want to help and would try to lure you in and they’d get something wrong - like too many fingers, webbed fingers, missing limbs, impossible eye colors, ears or feet from the wrong species - and would then quickly reveal themselves in attack when confronted about it.
Jinn are smokeless fire. Like AI
I like to think of AI generators as operating under the behaviour of a "cargo cultist".
Cargo cult is a phenomenon dating back from WW2 where some island natives suddenly were exposed to the state of modern American logistics (airplanes, ships, radio, etc) but had no concept of how they worked. The natives got a taste for the fruits of these logistics for things like cigarettes and Coca Cola. Sometimes they became dependant on food shipments even (trading labor for rations) so when the war ended, they set up their own "radio sets" complete with bamboo antennas and coconut half shell earmuffs connected with rope cables, in an attempt to make logistics calls for air supply.
They understood that things looking like certain things were necessary to summon useful and delicious stuff, but they hadn't much understanding of the EM spectrum.
AI generates in a very cargo cult manner in that it understands that words correlate to certain image features, but it hasn't any direct sense of the what it feels like to pull a crunchy AK trigger, let alone correlate the words of dense storage logistics to how things should look.
Even worse, many of us also don't have any idea of how to do certain practical things so we basically have cargo cultists employing cargo cult algos creating content for cargo cultists looking for emotional compulsion.
It's an interesting mess, but I get the feeling that it's not a new one. We just have added yet another layer of cargo cultist in the information chain.
If I am trying to be wise, I don't just sit back and laugh at cargo cultists. I see them as a cautionary tale which warns me to ask how I am being a cargo cultist in the positions that I hold.
The real lessons in life show me the problems in my philosophy more than they help me feel smarter than others.
That's an interesting way to look at it. Thanks for the comment.
AI image generators are perhaps more accurately described as a collage rendering tool.
Like having a 6 year old with the artistic ability of a 65 year old master painter but can't be arsed to do detailed work.
Cargo cults are extremely common in when writing software, especially if a project is delayed a few years and everyone that started it is replaced.
Someone misunderstood something about a tool but managed to both together something that worked for the application, then someone comes along that knows just a little about the tools, but also very little about the application, and definitely nothing about the reasons.
So we end up with coding rules based on a assembly languages as written in the 1970s being applied to modern languages in 2023.
it's way easier than this. is not that AI doesn't understand the complexity of so and so. it understands nothing. it's not sentient. same goes for LLMs. images are just collages based on higher percentage. LLMs just renders the next more probable word according to the database.
you can look into how the GO AIs can beat world champions (well, former, now all champions are AI models) and lose to a person who just learnt how to play. there's a paper on it
A valuable lesson and interesting outlook on life. In a sense, we are all cargo cultists. Nobody fully understands everything.
A minor point to the AI generation: It certainly understands composition in as much as the image as a whole is beautifully composed with a perfectly framed tunnel end and an absolute wall of guns. The devil is in the detail, rather than the overview.
The reason for this is that it doesn't just pick one place to begin, like Cody indicated, but starts at every point at once. None of the points will at this point agree with any of the neighbors, so after the first step you have a blurry mess that is only slightly more interesting than the static you started with. But then the process repeats again, and now you start seeing darker and lighter blurs in some areas, which gain definition step by step until you end up with a coherent image.
The more time and computing power you can throw at the image, the larger the coherent area gets, as each view can "see" a larger and larger area. Up to a point, anyway. You also need an AI which understands the concept of a firearm well enough to know that it only has one magazine and one barrel, or else no amount of computing power will save you. Count the fingers is good advice; but it's only good advice right now. Hundreds of teams around the world are working on figuring out how to fix the composition problem generally or the finger problem in particular, and there's every possibility AIs will no longer make that particular mistake in six months. Six months ago, mangled text would have been the obvious giveaway. Hell, up until a week a go a short video clip was safe.
It's much more telling that rather than poorly lit cellphone camera image snapped by a soldier in a cave with piles of guns, you saw a perfectly framed and centered image, well lit and clear, showing guns on display. AI's are usually trained to make "good" images, and most real images from a warzone aren't going to be good. If it looks like a Pulitzer prize contender it likely won't be shared on facebook or reddit. The journalist would have sold the image to a big media company, who'd clamp down on the valuable image until the article was ready and they could max out the ad revenue.
One persistent problem I have with these diffusion based image generators is that they tend to be really indecisive when there are multiple, mutually exclusive ways to draw something. They have a nasty tendency to get stuck trying to render many solutions at once without ever settling on any one of them, regardless how many iterations you give them. This comes through particularly clearly when you task them to draw weapons. An AI might have a pretty good idea of what a rifle looks like, but typically won't be able to decide exactly what kind of rifle it is drawing unless maybe if you've given it very specific instructions. So you end up with familiar elements from loads of different rifles haphazardly cobbled together in a manner that looks good at first glance, but doesn't hold up to even surface lever scrutiny.
I suspect we may be reaching the limit of what diffusion based techniques can do. At least without drastically improving the quality of the training data with way more accurate and detailed descriptions, or perhaps a more structured training scheme that puts greater emphasis on coherence over detail.
I haven't tried any GANs yet. Don't know if they are any better in this regard.
I tend to look at the finer details that give the image away.
For starters, there isn't a single hanger, fastener, hook, or other hardware anywhere in the picture holding or mounting the guns to the wall. But, maybe they're using Alien Tape to hold them up.
Secondly, the shadows are off.On the right side of the image, the gun barrels produce a very wide shadow, and on the left side of the image, the gun barrels produce a narrow shadow, even though the gun barrels are all fairly consistent in width and evenly spaced in position and distance from the light. The guns on the back wall are not producing any shadows, except for the handgun in the center which is only producing a shadow from the barrel, and not from the rest of the gun, such as the grip. With the lighting all coming from above equally along the tunnel, there would only be vertical shadowing on the tunnel walls, and not horizontal shadowing between the ridges in the walls. You wouldn't see the light and dark striping between the ridges if it were all being illuminated equally from above, you would be seeing shadows below extrusions, and not beside extrusions. Most of the shadows from the guns leaning on the walls don't match in shape to the actual item, and there are shadows from gun barrels that aren't there, and shadows that don't go all the way from the butt of the gun to the barrel, having a separate shadow that touches the butt of the gun than the shadow that touches the barrel of the gun.
It feels fake because your mind knows how shadows should work and it confuses your mind when you're presented an image with conflicting lighting and shadowing. You might not know why the image feels fake, but your mind tells you that something isn't right here.
Thankfully the creators of this are really bad a making AI generated images and think prompting SDXL is a magic wand, I'm glad most of these reject don't even know how to use it correctly.
huh? Who gives a shit.
Listen: IA is smarter than the average person, like me. IA is still not smarter than the people who programed it. (And yes, they are smarter than the average person.)
End result: why do people fall for such failed results?
@@thesaw9988 AI isn't smart at all. It has no intelligence and has no idea what it's actually responding with. It's just a pattern prediction algorithm that mimics the training model it was trained on.
Scary thing is we are only at the beginning of this tech. As algorithms evolve, they will become more and more realistic leaving the uncanny valley in its wake.
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You can get much better results with some effort today. The best are nearly indistinguishable from a photograph.
One can only hope that the tech still has a level of jank that anyone paying attention knows its fake like with the details Ryan pointed out that anyone familiar with guns in some capacity would know, like the magazines on the guns.
@@Chinothebad The problem is that many look at these kinds of photos, not to analyze them but to confirm their bias, so a quick glance is often all that's needed. But yeah, I agree.
@@hiker64 Oh no doubt about that. People won't give it a second look unless they were skeptical and had a BS meter or someone pointed out a flaw that would warrant a second look. Other problem, after looking at the Reddit thread and seeing how its OP acted, some people will no doubt willingly believe a lie and claim others are lying while denying the fact they're literally buying into an image that has some obvious lies as shown with the guns.
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"A lie will make it out the door and across town while the truth is still pulling on it's pants and tying it's shoes." said some wise fellow. Besides, people would rather have a lie that confirms their bias than a truth that challenges it.
Brandolini's Law (or the Principle of BS Asymmetry) states that it takes 10 times more effort to debunk BS than it is to spread BS.
@@MadaraUchihaSecondRikudoI'd like to make an amendment to that Principle. It's more like a 1000 times more effort needed!
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Bomb Damage Assessment wasn't the most effective tactic of the Vietnam conflict even though the low risk missions were required to keep morale high
Unexploded ordinance might easily be confused as an enemy booby trap
I think my favorite part of this is that they probably added some caption about hospital/hospital gear so the AI decided to add a BUNCH of scalpels and other medical eqp. randomly on the floor.
honestly looked to me like fishing gear lmao, the biggest lures on the market
I think it was generated as a joke. It was supposed to be an obvious joke.
You are doing a great job at decoding all this fake media!
The insight by Cody was good to see as another person in the tech field, very well explained.
Misinformation doesn't have to be foolproof, it needs to be "good enough" for the average person to fall for it, AI image/audio/video generation is good enough to trick the average fool.
What's gonna be interesting is when AI gets good enough to fool more than the average person.
The thing that stuck out to me was the fact that most of the AKs look like they were drawn from memory by a 6th grader. Also some of the shells on the back wall have round bottoms which make no sense. Also some guns have a barrel where the stock should be.
They look like it tried to do tank shells after they are fired but couldn't get the bottom right and ended up double siding it
There's another angle that's worth paying attention to, though it will take you a while to really get an eye for it -
The shadows cast by the rifles are plain wrong. For example, you know the "rifle" on the bottom right that has two mags going in opposite directions? There's a rifle next to it that's got some kind of really weird twist going on. It's casting two shadows despite the rifles next to it only casting one.
Besides the program losing track of which light source is casting what shadows, if you look, the shadows indicate that some of these rifles are hovering off the wall. It looks very much like a video game character that doesn't actually quite meet the floor and is hovering off the ground by like half an inch.
I can also see errors with where the light source is making highlights on various items. For instance, you might see how the light reflects off of a specific rifle, making highlights and shadows and then notice that the rifle next to it doesn't even remotely agree. Like rifle X is lit from the front and rifle Y is lit from the rear.
My personal favorite is the double ended mortar round, with the Pushmi-Pullyu AK...I guess I find MADD applied to light weapons amusing
yeah its clear this image is AI
Everything the IDF puts out is fake but Gazans just saying they are victims with no proof is totally true and we should believe them no matter what🤣🤣🤣
@@BillClinton228 you’re a smooth brain.
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Even if it wasn't AI, who the fuck in any military in what is essentially an active warzone, is mounting their guns to the wall as if it was some gun enthusiasts den?
@@JustLiesNORthis looks like a store or a personal collection.
I admit I know next to nothing about guns, never served in a military but I am quite confident not even Hamas would just hang RPG, mortar and artillery shells on a wall like that.
Truthiness.. isn't that just what we call confirmational bias?
Pretty much
Nation! Calm down, it is ok Nation. This person is just new to the truth of truthyness. They are the right place though. They know the truth in their gut - the most important part of the body for determining truth. They are just using a foreign word for it. They are here now though, Nation. Here in the right place, where we'll get them speaking American soon enough.
Truthiness captures the essence of it in a more humorous way.
Truthfulness is a total disregard for the actual truth.
We all have confirmation bias, only some of us have trustiness.
@@Saucisse_Praxis"Yes, but you looked that up in a book. I looked it up in my gut." - stephen colbert
It doesn’t even need to good AI to fool someone. My mom was totally engrossed in a video about some celebrity on her smartphone. The voices speaking were so obviously text to speech generated. I tried to tell her it was not real voices she was listening to. But she totally dismissed me because what she was listening to was what she wanted to hear. Old people are stubborn like mules.
It's not really an age thing. It's confirmation bias. As humans we are all vulnerable to it.
@@jerrylong381It's not just confirmation bias. I can't explain the how and why of it but some people have a really bad blind spot when it comes to computer generated speech and it has been a thing for a pretty long time.
I want to say that I first noticed it roughly 2005ish. As bad as computer generated speech was back then, I still new a few people that literally couldn't tell. As this software improves, this is only getting worse.
Was watching a video a couple of days ago and the narration actually had me fooled for a couple of minutes. Weird methods of saying numbers caught my attention and then I listened a little more closely and noticed some weird accent mixing. Numbers are very often a dead giveaway. A program will often say them in a way that no native english speaker would actually use, even if it is *technically* correct.
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I'm 62 and usually can't stand text generated speech. It grates on my ears and I'll skip videos that have it, but you are right about it improving greatly in the last few years.
@@jerrylong381 What I'm talking about isn't really an age thing. The people I mentioned would have been in their teens and 20s at the time and we're talking about the state of the art freeware circa 2005ish. So, you know, MS Sam and stuff.
I think it's some kind of auditory equivalent of dyslexia. It's not just being tone deaf. They couldn't pick up on the seriously wrong rhythm and pacing of the generated speech.
I'm not a doctor or anything so I don't know whether or not this is a known studied condition or if it's relatively unknown. I just know for sure that it exists.
I expect that, like dyslexia, it probably has a range that goes from very mild to very severe. The people I was spotting in the mid to late 2000s would have to be the severe cases but today the software is good enough to fool a whole lot of people.
It's only gonna affect the older generations who make the decisions for us all.
To me the picture looks like the weapons of a Gang displayed from after a raid.
It doesn’t even look real one iota.
Funny how people can be fooled by an image featuring guns with barrels at both ends, but thanks for explaining why this happened.
Keep in mind most people have not seen a firearm outside a movie, let alone fired one in anger.
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Why not, he does. The truth will lead you to the the high ground.
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Good analysis. However, we must consider that as AI gets better, let's be cautious when creating standard rules such as "count the fingers" to determine truth so that future DIP doesn't pass a simple checklist
Maybe, but a lot of these problems stem from the vagueness of human language combined with the fact that the Algorithm doesn't actually understand any of what it's drawing.
@@silentdrew7636 agree, and that's with today's technology. I understand that is a good point to evaluate today's AI tech this way, yet the field is progressing so quickly that I don't know how long it will stay valid
0:01 Some of the rifles shoot in *both* directions! Genius!
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool."
- Feynman
I thought it was really weird how the guns on the side walls all looked like they were all radiating outwards in circular arcs from a central point near the table. Like who would store guns like this? It is like someone asked an AI to draw the Big Bang, so it drew all these guns flying out of the center of the universe.
I do not see what they are hanging on either, so it really does feel big bang.
Laugh, but I had a co-worker, about fifteen years ago, who actually believed the, "Don't believe everything you see on the Internet" quote by Abraham Lincoln was real. He had absolutely no idea. And no, I'm not kidding.
That doesn't even make sense, your friend thinks internet existed back in 1800s?
@@biggerdickus No, he had no idea when Lincoln was President nor did he know ANYTHING about how old the Internet was. You know there ARE people out there that don't care about that kind of stuff, right?
I mean, everyone SHOULD realize a weapon cache inside a cave/tunnel in an active combat zone doesn't look like some random gun youtubers gun vault.
Honestly I love your work. You inform without making a person feel stupid for not knowing.
Most of those "armory" pictures look like the wall of a gun store or pawn shop. Armories store weapons very differently.
1:33 I appreciate you video. Now that it’s been 86 days since October 7, we can say with absolute fact that Isr@el has and is using white phosphorus on the civilian population, as proven by (according to human rights watch) verified video and witness accounts + Egyptian doctors’ testimony in Arish hospital in Sinai who are treating Ghaza patients who were allowed to leave Ghaza for treatment. You say white phosphorus is not illegal, however according to human rights watch, “Its use in densely populated areas of Gaza violates the requirement under international humanitarian law that parties to the conflict take all feasible precautions to avoid civilian injury and loss of life.”
If you’ve heard the doctors’ testimonies describing the 4th degree burns (something I didn’t even know was possible) patients got from white phosphorus - and how the chemical penetrates the skin to the bone, we would not be calmly discussing this. If it’s not clear that white phosphorus is illegal it is crystal clear that it is immoral.
Just want to say you do fantastic work. It feels like most of the time, people could stand to be a lot more skeptical, especially on topics they're not well versed in.
It feels like in this day and age fact checking is almost more important than putting out the facts themselves
can we just agree that AI should kick rocks already?
Also with AI look for things that should be symmetrical or continuous. Shirts with two breast pockets aren’t that strange but it is odd when one is square with a round flap while the other is sorta pentagon shaped with a square flap. A smooth shirt with unevenly spaced buttons. Fences made by M. C. Escher. A road with randomly placed lines and stripes. Car wheels, tire treads, and lettering ofter have the same issue (though they can be easily replaced).
I knew it was fake immediately because there’s just no way in hell Hamas is that organized.
The first thing that leaped out at me with that image was the 'mortar bombs' hanging on the wall, the idea of hanging something that goes bang off a high point with a hard landing is ... interesting 😱
Nice work Ryan. But, you don't need to go nearly that far. One look at that photo, and I see it's fake. _(I don't need to look at any of the weapons for even a nanosecond.)_
1) Gaza is one monster sized beach, down to about 50m to 60m. It's all sand and salt deposits.
2) That's why Hamas has to go in and _"bunker-up"_ all their tunnels with concrete walls, ceilings, and floors.
3) That photo shows sandstone rock, not sand. And, not a drop of concrete anywhere.
4) And, to get any sandstone, you have to go north into Lebanon, or SE deep into Sinai. _(Judean Highlands are of the famous Jerusalem white limestone.)_
Keep in mind most Americans are not familiar with the geographic conditions of the Levant. Heck, a lot of them think Afghanistan is mostly desert
@@karlshorstzwei That's a good one. When does an arid grassland, stop being an arid grassland, and becomes a desert? That's a good question. Desertification is happening in many areas. But, when do we change their classification?
@@michaelwittkopp3379 I mean the bigger issue is much of Afghanistan looks more like parts of the Rockies than, say, Saudi Arabia.
The first time I saw the hospital "armory" I burst out laughing, bc it looked exactly how someone would arrange guns in a gun shop. I don't know about the US practice, but in the Greek Army any off-duty personnel weapons are unloaded (i.e. no magazines on), locked in their gun racks, and the ammo is stored separately, for obvious reasons. I don't know about artillery rounds, I was trained as an infantryman, but I believe the same, if more stringent precautions apply.
No man with army or military experience would believe this was a real armory.
the two sided AK"s are a great touch.
Great research brother
AI generated pictures are pretty easy to recognize.
For now.
usually. but that pope with the big coat one was great tbh
it was obviously fake because.... it was the pope on a big designer coat. but from a photography viewpoint it was pretty ok
there's people who point (in general) to hands (which got pretty better tbh) or abherrations, but you can just.... crop them, depending on the composition. subject too centered? crop. and this is not including AI generated photo editing tools, which in a few services is included
When trying to spot AI imagery, the very first thing to look for is deformities.
AI is like someone who has seen various examples of something, but has no clue what each part is, and is then asked to create a new image from memory.
In the image (if you pause at 4:52) on the left-hand wall you can see a rifle with two barrels pointing in opposite directions (!!!)
This is a classic case of AI imagery. It's so blatant that the only people who would claim this image to be real are very stupid or detached from truth.
Or people that only took a cursory glance.
Like in 1984 it's the people that don't think that is the real danger. Just a TikTok glance and it's the truth.
I'm still imagining President Biden calling general Austin into the oval office and asking, "How is screwing over that one E4 we talked about going" and general Austin replying, "It's the Defense Department's top priority". It's impossible for high level government officials to micromanage even important stuff. Like she said, "it's just too big"
Legitimately thank you for putting in the work to clarify things that may appear to be true. As a teacher it is a constant battle to correct misinformation.
Generative image AI is incredibly impressive until you look at the details and see stuff like more than 5 digits on hands, or hands in impossible Escher-like positions. I have no idea how the AI is able to just come up with the body poses, but something about them is oddly similar to the way the AI arranged the weaponry in the image here.
Edit: And bang, Ryan provides a great explanation on convolutions and how the model generates the image. Fascinating stuff.
I love that you went through and talked about all the practical reasons for why this wouldn't be a real bunker full of guns to show that it must be AI generated, when most everybody else just looks at it and goes "yeah that's an AI image. I can tell because of the way that it is." Lol. But even beyond the nonsensical "munitions" on the back wall and the malformed rifles, even something as simple as the lighting/shadows was an instant red flag to me. It just doesn't look right. Honestly, the fact that there are so many obvious issues with the image makes me think this must have been uploaded by a troll in the hopes that clueless people would believe it, because if this is the best that actual bad actors trying to spread misinformation are capable of, it's just sad lol
5:43 I am henceforth requesting that this weapon be designated as the glorp because of the way that it is it fires the whole cartridge and is fully semi automatic
Fascinating! You know...28 years ago...long before AI and this sort of synthetic photo forgery, there was a sub-plot in the original film version of Judge Dredd where a digitally-forged version of a photo was analyzed and described. In listening to this explanation, there are basic, yet remarkably similar elements. I doubt anyone had a solid idea of the potential of digital photo forgery back in 1995. It's a bit terrifying to see how fast it has developed in the very few years (really months) since AI-assisted photo manipulation has been a thing. Great video, Ryan.
The lighting also screams “AI generated”, those tools are very bad at creating realistic looking lighting and just by looking at that you can tell.
The US government really needs to invest in technology to determine what is AI, and what is real.
AI generated images (that aren’t touched up with adobe programs/photoshop) are currently easy to distinguish, but pretty soon, it will be completely indistinguishable.
Issues:
- We already make these AI detection tools to train the AI image generation tools. Researchers then try to make the generator/detection tool beat each other until they trade wins/losses and the generated images look good.
- A trusted detector giving false negative results lends more credibility to fake images.
- A trusted detector giving false positive results discredits real images.
- A staged image is real, but can be just as deceptive as an AI generated one. A true negative result on a real image doesn't mean the image isn't "fake" in other ways.
- A public detector can easily be trained against to make it give false results.
- A secret detector can announce false results if its owner decides to.
- We can already "fix" AI generated images manually to make them even harder to detect.
- Hope for a technological solution to people lying delays adoption of real mitigations.
- We've had issues with propaganda and deceptive media for generations. Technological shortcuts to verification don't solve the problem, encourage people to skip actual verification/consideration of evidence, and can easily make the problem worse.
One of the first things I look for is 'how practical' is it and in this image there is no walkway allowing access to the items at the back so nobody would ever store guns & ammo that need easy access like this. You then go to the point that everything in this image is placed for 'show' which again is not how anyone would store these, a simple box on the floor filled with identical guns or bullets etc is much more practical as taking one out gives access to the others and you can store many more in the limited space and still have access. Great videos so keep up the good work as you are making people think about what they are seeing.
For me, it was the curvature and texture of the wall, the shadowing was completely off, the back wall lacked latches holding the items up plus way too close together and the whole floor was too pretty and perfect and most importantly blocking the flow to the back. Looks like something you would see in a video game. My question is who put it up.
Thanks for doing this, you are right, many would just accept this as truth. Plus I learned to look for fingers and toes in Ai pictures.
The scary part is that this was just lazy AI. With enough knowledge, perseverance and computing power, you can create a near perfect image or modify an existing real image.
One store room of AKs looks a lot like any other storeroom of AKs, it would be child's play to lie about an existing picture.
People do this already, it’s called DIP
Could you imagine storing mortars up high so that they could fall and destroy the whole room?😂
As soon as I saw that image I thought it was so fake that it wasn't an intended DIP but rather an editorial comic. And I am not military experienced and most definitely fall in the group of people who would "want it to be true" As an editorial comic with the caption of "Hospital equipment in Gaza" it is spot on. As a purported actual photo it is incredibly fake.
The guest really does a fantastic job of explaining why AI is making two-ended guns. Really good explainer.
I refuse to belive there exists a human being that thought this was real
I’m not in the military and I would say
“The fucks the ammo and the gun racks at?
This is the worst gun room configuration I’ve ever seen.”
I'll also point out that all the things on the walls don't have any supports for the guns to stick onto. It just looks like the guns are stuck on the wall.
That's often done with magnets for display.
But all the gun where set up for display as wall décor not in storage .
@@SuperFunkmachine AH! That's cool and I didn't know that!
Some of the guns do look like they're just floating there, as well! Thanks for the info!
I think another name for “truthiness” is simple confirmation bias: we treat stuff that supports our existing opinions with way less skepticism than stuff that might challenge them. One thing I’ve realized as a result of this Gaza situation is we’re already living in a “post truth” world. Each side believes a completely different set of facts and can find any “evidence” they need to support their narrative.
I think you could route people to look into collapsing wave functions if they want to understand a bit deeper into the processes shared for the generation of such images. But very good information!
Some people get VERY defensive when you say the clearly ai generated image is fake. Its funny the first time around then it just becomes sad
One of my friends expected me to praise them or compliment an AI image they had just generated in front of me. It was so weird that I kept silent. Like, what do you want from me?! The image was not good.
@@oohhboy-funhouse I was more talking about conspiracy theorists getting mad, but yeah that happens too. It gets increasingly less funny the more it happens
Honestly, as someone who uses AI imagery to make up some guiding art for a book i am writing, i am just amazed by how close the AI got to making actual weapons. Cant do swords, flintlock pistols or ships, but somehow, replicates an AK pretty solidly.
... except for the double barrels lol
But when AI gets good enough that we can't spot mistakes, how will we know what is true?
Maybe, but given the vagueness of human language that'll be a while.
Sorry but wrong, people love being lied to unconsciously, semi-consciously if it serves their needs, what I could only describe as an active confirmation bias. I know because my mom is like that, even after hundred of debunk she will happily forward to hundred of "friends" the next BS and they will do the same. No amount of debunk will ever trigger a followup "sorry that was fake" or "I should be more careful". Good video but sadly doesn't address the problem, I have no idea what would.
The lighting is all wrong. Too even, too balanced. Looks like studio lighting done by a pro, which wouldn’t happen.
It's crazy that AI chooses to put 6 fingers on humans, I wonder if the 6 fingers is the common thing for AI art.
Humans have dominant and recessive genes, which both determine what gets expressed as traits. Humans have a dominant gene to have 6 fingers and 6 toes, but since the recessive gene is more commonly expressed 5 fingers, I wonder if the computer took that into account. Since dominant genes normally win out on the gene expression game, maybe the computer has that info and just concluded that it should be that way.
Either that or it just like drawing fingers.
I mean if you see it at the corner of your eye: looks fine
Look at it and you just laugh. God damn barrels on backwards, shit that are gunshaped but wtf is it even etc ... But yeah, will fool 95% of people on fb and twitter
Did... Did you just show us a clip of terrorists rollerblading with AKs? 😂
What stood out to the RIGHT AWAY, is in the upper left corner of that photo, right next to the blue mortar looking thing, it cuts off the weapon to the left of it. LOL.
NO ONE will actually think that image is real at a glance... Making a story about this is just dishonest. I know nothing about guns or the military. This looks like a fallout 4 base layout lol.
2:31. You're right, Truthiness is 20 years ago. Now we live our own truth of our lived experience.
0:36 Aw yes, The good old reliable Double sided arty shell between the AK's on the top left and what I assume are miniature hypersonic missiles on the right, Can fire either way its loaded 😂
I mean, it is obviously supposed to be a joke, right? It's so nonsensical this is either some oddball false-flag trying to portray pro-Israel posters as distributing fakes or some sort of inside joke
I know its a bit of jack ass opinion,
But the things I saw people believe in this war
Really makes me doubt the intelligence of people
i disagree, ryan, most people are capable of critical thinking but most people do not exercise this part of their brain and thus it has atrophied; most people find life easier if they do not have to think; hence the existence of faux news. You can agree tacitly as i know many of your viewers do not exercise critical thinking
I find the biggest sign that the image is fake is the fact that there is no path down the center for a person to walk through all of that and make a selection. If they needed something on the back wall they would have to either move everything or literally walk over everything. If you are setting up an armory you dont make it so that the majority of your weapons are blocked from quick access.
when I see people being fooled by AI this bad it makes me lose hope in human intellect.
Wait, you guys don't store your guns facing your vacuum bombs?!😨
Thank you. I wish all of us valued the truth more than we value our own team or agenda.
How are normal people supposed to know what happens or who is the good guy when everything is saturated with this kind of misinfo.
god I wish twitter would shut the phuk up about war this isn't a goddman celebrity drama
Who benefits more from posting so easily disproven material that makes redditors feel a sense of superiority and thus not ask further questions?
Fun fact: having six fingers is actually the dominant trait in genetics meaning that if one parent has six fingers that their child will also have six fingers.
two more AK's on the right wall have double ended barrels too lol and one on the lower right portion of the rear wall has a magazine that layered with two magazines at different angles
you mean the fact that it doesn't look like an armory didn't tip you off?
Well ... for me the most oblivious one was that all the weapons/ammo is basically floating against the wall
how can ppl actually be fooled by that first image? its so clear its fake
AI has trouble with lighting. Another give away.
"Count the fingers." Now we just need some polydactylate presenters to *really* confuse people.
Wasn't the post with this image an attempt at sarcasm and satires?
Basically, a meme.
Dude talking about equipment is full of bs.
I think I spotted another AI generation, that Cody almost had me fooled but the way he talks has that uncanny valley thing that makes me realize he’s AI generated! Almost had me Ryan!
Just kidding guys, I really really appreciated the dumbed down explanation. That made it easy to understand for a techno idiot like myself.
Unfortunately your guest was completely wrong about how AI image generation similar to Stable Diffusion works (which is just about the only useful way right now).
Composition is the key feature of the algorithm, in fact it’s bad at processing details locally, and one could say it only operates by “composition”.
In each step of generation, the algorithm resolves a little bit of detail out of all the noise everywhere simultaneously. After some steps, what is being processed is more image than pure noise and steps are “modifying an image” rather than “resolving details from noise” all according to the prompt.
The prompt can include a LoRA, which is a mini model that could be trained on something relatively abstract like a mood, art style, or an “underground militia armory” composition. Or it could be something specific like a specific model firearm or vehicle or an individual.
The hand problem is slowly being resolved as better models are trained from cleaner data.
Mistakes in image generation occur because the model approaches an ambiguity about what should resolve from the noise in forming feature that would become an object: it doesn’t have a strong (statistical) preference (for example) for a mortar vs an artillery shell.
Typically this is because there weren’t enough distinct examples of two similar objects for the model to have formed a strong understanding of the difference.
Odd placement would also be due to not having enough examples of “correct” placement of that object type.
Finally, training images are much more useful with detailed and correct tagging. If it’s only relevant training images were only tagged “materiel, you’d be lucky to get a distinction between munitions and firearms.
We are pulling meaning out of the void of noise with the grasp of the model’s incomprehensible latent space.
Cleaner training data gets a saner model capable of grasping finer details, like how to draw hands, that a typical firearm only has one barrel and magazine, and just the general concept of symmetry I guess.
Fantastic and informative! As one more aside, given the bombing and lack of obvious brackets or ties to keep everything in position, the idea of an area under Gaza being this neat is absurd.
Palestine was originally supposed to be the bigger more powerful country. All they had to do was live in peace with Israel. But they always chose war. I pray they learn to choose peace some day.
You're the one who always causes trouble first. Lol So funny you dont know that
Lol like hamas Calendar propaganda by Israel
Bro we don’t even need to discuss why this is fake. Looking at it for more than a second shows it’s ai(especially the double sided barreled aks
Just because you can spot it doesn't mean other can. Especially older people and those who have no idea what these things are supposed to look like.