DEF CON 32 - Disenshittify or die! How hackers can seize the means of computation - Cory Doctorow
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2024
- The enshittification of the internet wasn't inevitable. The old, good internet gave way to the enshitternet because we let our bosses enshittify it. We took away the constraints of competition, regulation, interop and tech worker power, and so when our bosses yanked on the big enshittification lever in the c-suite, it started to budge further and further, toward total enshittification. A new, good internet is possible - and necessary - and it needs you.
Fuck yes finally the talks are coming in.
I too look forward to all of my free time disappearing.
just the day before I went on the defcon channel and thought, that they may come out any day now
The enshitification rant at the beginning was epic lol
I think you meant from the defcon conference last year yet he looks like he’s wearing the same outfit.
Thanks, I scrolled back
the whole thing is a rant :D
@@xj0ex39 He meant at the beginning of the video. You’re not Einstein dude, so stop trying to be.
@@Rubalix was this a statement or a diss?
yes. lets rebuild the internet . cypher punks we need you
You first
@@SlaserXTakes a team
Oh Doctorow, one of my favorite polemicists. Performed by anybody else I'd call this a rant, but by him this to me is a thoughtful opinion piece delivered at light speed.
who's to say it's not both? a thoughtful opinion piece and a rant are quite difficult to disambiguate from one-another, i'd say
@@mt180extras A fair take, matter of opinion.
Only enshitification talks becomes better with years
Just when I thought Cory Doctorow couldn't give a better speech, he does. Unbelievably good talk, universally and holistically. Thank you.
The most important thing I learned from this talk:
Be in and maintain a union!!
I love that 5:30 into a talk on the enshittification of technology, his microphone starts to buzz 😂
What a great choice for the first talk to post!
Wow! Just as he trashes iOS, a harsh pulse intrudes on his RF. That's when you KNOW it's good!
Bravo! hackers of the world unite! you have nothing to lose except your toolchains!
So, I want you to get up now. I want all of you to get up out of your chairs. I want you to get up right now and go to the window. Open it, and stick your head out, and yell: ‘I’m as mad as hell, and I’m not gonna take this anymore!
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This was even better in person. Fantastic!
Amazing talk, actually the first thing to give me some hope for how we can all collectively deal with enshittification!
This is a good talk. A lot of faith in governments, especially after he said that governments are basically controlled by monopolies nowadays. The way to take down a tyrant is not to succumb to their demands and hope they become less greedy. The way is to replace it with something better. I don't see anything changing until we can build a FOSS replacement to the entire internet
The problem with the government is we are the government, and we've been doing a really bad job of realizing that.
Replace it with what though? Anything we replace it with will succumb to these monopoly-run governments. We need to change the system we have, not build new ones that the system will take from us as well.
He's wearing a mask - what did you expect LOL
Dude will vote for more federal government & more war until he dies.
He's an atheist in a cult.
1000$ says he's voting Kamala.
(ask me how i know - def not the cult mask)
haha nice, "every pirate wants to be an admiral" for the logic behind big corp copyright behviour is wild
I've not heard this many nails getting smashed on the head in a looong time! Amazing talk!!
Dude is incredibly smart. We NEED people like him to run these big government regulators.
You know what. I'm going to start by helping as many people I can to get the F*** off Windows. It's a small step, but it's a start.
1:14 preach preach!! This guy is on point!
I mean enshittification just comes from the tendency of the rate of profit to fall, a critical failure of capitalism. Marxism has already predicted this.
Cory for Prez!!
Unionise with an "s" or a "z", accordıng to location and taste, but unionise. Awesome talk. Catch the next one next year.
BASED BASED BASED
I hope more people see this before censors get ahold of it. Especially younger folks who don't remember the internet before 2000's.
Mad impressed how quickly he picked it up!
FKING love every version of this talk. platforms be damned, take back the internet and make it smol
Fantastic talk.
That was awesome! He like hacked the feedback or whatever that interference was by waving his arm up and jumping and was clearly following his sense of action there. lol
"Autobots ... targets are set"
Oh my god protect this man at all costs ❤😮
Doctorow is legendary. Check out his books, too! So much knowledge and good ideas to fix major issues in tech coming from him.
The internet is tubes and we are the plumbers.
@makebreakrepeat I agree but only if the tubes part is pronounced something like doobs
great speech
Been looking forward to this
i was at this talk and i’m glad i went
Amen, brother! Preach!
Yeeeeessssss... Get that ball ROLLING!
I had to check the name like twice because this guy looks so much like my fucking uncle. I kinda wish it had turned out to be him, because he'd be way cooler. Edit: When he says dungeon master, does he mean a DnD DM or like a dominatrix because the combo of dungeon master and clients is throwing me. Edit 2: The mic fucking up during the enshittification talk is priceless.
⭐Cory for president ⭐
Great talk!
PREACH BROTHER!!!!!
My favorite character from Mr Robot
What the f are you talking about "twiddling" it's capitalism, the answer is capitalism. We don't need a cute new word when the answer is right in front of you.
When the censors block your words, you have to choose a new one because you know they tracking the old one. Duh.
he called me a gooner!
this a great talk
This will only stop when you decide to run your own HW and own your data.
I do believe that if we toss too much power to said government, we sacrifice the same power to them. Let the people change them.
12:17 deserved a crowd-wide, "Boo!"
fire title 🔥🔥
Why doesn't he start with Hello friend?!
How can a dystopian series be old and still pretty much be correct in predicting the future...
We have sui now, we can build distributed alternatives now
RUclips recommend me this video! 🤣👍
Great talk. Who cares that he's got a face mask? I cant possibly imagine giving a shit about something so inconsequential. People are weird lol
IKR 1000x this … plus, once we are all wearing a mask who’s gonna fall for the deep fakes? We’ll all be like ‘I don’t know if that’s really them behind the mask’ 😂
Social Enshittification.
Fire 🔥🔥🔥
Preach bro.
Love Cory, love unions, love masking 🙏
Holy based
Based.
99% of search queries I would have done on search engines are now done in AI. Search engines are doomed
banger
What the F**k happened...😅😂 2024 DefCon
I know right. Dudes a literal fedposter telling hackers "govt and big brother is guuud"
Rosenbaum Route
AI is not about robots, communicating like humans, or even to offload our tasks... save one. It's to analyze big data. Digital files, but also now visual, sound, biometrics of all kinds, and more. Eventually the collective bandwidth of the actual physical world, as seen by humans. Your Iphone knows you have a medical condition before your doctor, via biometrics now standard. Just one example. They aint gonna tell you though. Also knows your mental process and health. That kind of private data has USES. Like predicting human behavior, individual or collective. Influencing it is even easier. Someone is buying enough to prop up companies in decline, a since EVERY company tracks you, well thats enough to unmake a person, or the world. AI is about answering the question "who watches the watchers. Scary.
Hell yeah more people need to be wearing masks rn
I should have worn a mask. I came home with covid this year along with a bunch of other people. Lesson learned the hard way. :(
@@gir_bot Defcon is unfortunately an annual super-spreader event
Masks are b.s, stop wearing them.
@@gir_botthe masks never prevented anyone from receiving COVID. The reason everyone was pressured to wear one was the off chance that you might be a carrier without realizing it. Wearing a mask would diffuse your exhalations and decrease risk of concentrated virus being spouted directly in the face of other people in a short time and distance.
Nobody avoided getting COVID because they sucked air in through a soggy mask. It only lowered the chances of transmitting it to others.
Operant conditioning and capitalism. Ain't it a word
[*Install Witch*]
PREACH! 😅😂
👏👏👏👏👏👏
Very good 👍
👏👏👏👏💯💯💯💯
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...and Microsoft led the way of buying things expansion
Is there a reason other than social enshittification that he's wearing a mask on a stage with nobody around him?
c'monn 👏👏👏
🙂
How can i short the pay for clicks market. It's probably the next big bubble
Eff Defcon, garage hackers do not want to be spies. The entire show has turned into a big race to the bottom to show the corporate masters their compliance.
Exactly my dawg, at least someone in this industry has a brain
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@@lanejack2860 I do ICS related things. I would not be a good fit for cybersecurity.
You can choose to hate it, as any red blooded American should, but they crawl, so you can run.
Without White Hats, you Garage Black Hats don't have a shield to hide behind when you do your own research. To be frank the security we see in our modern age wasn't built from people like you, but you sure love to use it don't ya. Hope your living well on your corporate funded systems, with your corporate funded software, using corporate funded code whether their open source, or not.
Shut up, bots!
ah crap i guess an entire conference of presentations that will be in-comprehendable
Don't worry, Cory was only one of a handful of people at the con wearing a mask. He set a good example that barely anyone else followed, including me. You won't catch covid from watching this talk, but I did. :(
What about this was, as you put it, "in-comprehendable"? I really hope you're a non-native English speaker
Americans will really be like "omg look at the horrifying consequences of capitalism" and then say "lets add more competition" as if capitalism is a problem when there is monopoly and not a system that creates monopolies. Under capitalism anti trust laws are never acquired for the capitalists will always fight them. I mean, your analysis is good, these companies are really enshittifying for profit but let's find a solution to the root problem : capitalism...
Yep 100% if you've ever studied any economics you'd know that more competition is the solution.
Realistically we could just get rid of medical & IP patents & then all companies can compete to make the same medicines & products without the government protecting whoever held the patent first.
IMAGINE A WORLD - WHERE ANYONE CAN PRODUCE INSULIN !?!
*capitalism* wow
He isnt talking about dungeons and dragons for that female dungeon master lol.
huh? I'm a woman and run the odd DnD campaign here and there. I have mostly moved over to running PF2E but we do exist.
@ithraldharzul6887 Nice, I am not implying that women can't be dungeon masters in D&D...
I was commenting on his pun about BDSM for cash on social media.
fuck capitalism 🙏🙏🙏
bruh please get an education. LOL
@@permacultureecuador2925 ironic, in school right now 😭🙏
@@tunsaree you didn't have to point out that you're in school right now. You made that obvious by parroting "fuck capitalism" as if it were some type of magic spell you could repeat enough times to bring your imagined utopia into the world.
If you were living life in the real world, needing to survive without the hundred thousand dollars of grants, scholarships, and loans propping you up like a third leg, you'd have the possibility of falling over once in a while, and you'd understand that capitalism isn't the bogeyman source of all evil in the world.
You would perhaps have a chance of realizing that people act shitty in whatever economic system you exist in, but every alternative to capitalism has turned out far worse than what we have now.
Its so so easy to pretend like it makes sense when its a simple slogan that divides the world along black and white lines. Fuck capitalism, fuck DEI, fuck the patriarchy, fuck feminism. If only it were so simple.
how weird that all the DEI videos have comments off
I love Doctorow but giving a presentation with a mask? WTF
He's the one that's sick 💯 ✔️ 😎
Up on a stage far away from anyone else too,..
personally couldnt give a fuck tbh
All of the information given, and yall are worried about a mask….
@@racrguy eh it was a decent presentation, props for that. I don't think government is the answer but some of the other answers he suggested might work out. Still the mask ugh lol
I agree with a lot of his points, but it would be nice if he didn't have such an obvious political bias. Bro places all the blame on just one side of the aisle. That's not how you get things changed. If he really wants things to change, he first needs to concede that literally everyone is at fault. Actually disappointing to see.
why is he hiding his face?
because that's how you prevent spreading disease in a huge room full of stagnant air and thousands of people who came from all over gathering in one place. I bet he didn't go home with covid like I and a bunch of other people did.
@@gir_bot where did you hear that?
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@@gir_bot You "people" are incredibly gullible and you're dangerous to the survival others.
Maybe he was sick
No clue what fantasy world you live in where uber pays more than a cab company? I drove cab and my girlfriend did uber. She never made more money than me, used her own car on top of it. Anyone who drives for uber, door dash, etc just don't have the brains or enthusiasm to realize how little they actually make, and to go get a real job. Cabs around here generally cost a bit more but you also know what they will cost. Uber is 10 bucks one day and 45 bucks the next for the same ride. Their algorithm is just a rip off to fuck people over.
That's literally what he said. He used it as an example of another company giving a lot to VERY few people in order to make everyone else (potential UBER drivers) think they can do it too, but they can't.
That is the point of the entire video
He said they USED to
Dude. Every year they have mic issues. Go back to old fashioned wired XLRs. Also, DEMANDING that your audience “sToP cLaPpInG” is a bit rude; maybe throw in a please?
If you listened to the part at the beginning where he said he had 45m to give a 50m talk, combined with the interruption from the mic issue as well as observing how they were pressuring him at the end, you'd maybe appreciate that he didn't have any time for interruption or pleasantries.
Obviously it was lighthearted, read the other comment and stop being fragile
Is this from 2020/2021?? 🧐
Nope, most recent defcon
2024
I swear i heard enshitification talk before too
@@yomajo you can call Cory a one talk pony, but it’s a pretty good talk!
@@yomajo cause it's a concept he introduced a few years back, DC32 motto was enshitification from the moment you turned the badge on and I think cory's talk was a framework for this convention
It’s would be better if…you know. Static build up from talking so much @4:50 minutes with…you know. I’m sure there are reasons…you know.
Or maybe he was giving a speech at defcon, maybe?
best ironic mask wearing ever.
I mean, the way it creases on inhale, rendering it useless. classic.
As soon as I saw the mask, I closed it lol.
not listening to information based on what someone is wearing has to be the least intelligent thing i have heard since 2020 ...
@@myname-mz3lo k commie
maybe he's sick? you know people wore masks before 2020 too, right?
snowflake lmao
Goodbye 🤡
Why the fuck is he wearing a mask
When so many people come from all over the world to breath and share the same stagnant air, that's an ideal environment to spread diseases.
If you wear a mask like Cory did, like I should have, then you can be a part of helping prevent the spread of disease.
I, along with many others, came back from the con this year with covid. I applaud Cory for setting a good example!
@@gir_bot it also makes it hard to hear though, his voice is incredibly muffled on my end right now, I'd imagine he'd be fine alone and distanced on the stage.
@@gir_bot Chatgpt gave you the answer?
@@gir_bot thats the common cult belief among leftard atheists but thats not actually true btw.. ...
@@HypHipHopchatgpt didn't catch covid, I did.
Are we really still doing the stupid face mask? Really?
Right, you can’t listen to the content of the message, but can only see how someone looks. There is a name for that…
Yes, covid is still out there. I was at this talk, I wasn't wearing a mask and I came home with covid.
Cory set a good example that very few people followed this year.
@@bajojohn well at some point its a cult ideological symbol & has nothing to do with covid.
The leftard atheists created their own pseudoscience cult xD
@@gir_bot BRO YOURE TESTING YOURSELF FOR COVID IN 2024!?!?
WHAT ARE YOU AFRAID OF!?!!
ARE YOU NOT A YOUNG ADULT????
BROTHER OMG LMAOOOO
This whole thing is a cult i swear.
can this dude just take the fucking mask off to give a speech? wtf
Why? Why does it bother you so much what people wear?
I bet Cory didn't come back from the con with covid like I and a bunch of other people did. He set a good example of what to do when you gather with tens of thousands of people coming from all over to gather in a huge room of stagnant air. I applaud Cory for being one of a handful of people I saw at the con wearing a mask. I wish I had followed his lead. Hard lesson learned.
Can you take a moment to analyze how ridiculous it is that you're being this triggered by someone wearing a mask and think about why that's happening. The problem isn't with him, it's with you, pal.
It's actually a misconception that masks protects the wearer, from covid, or most illnesses infact, it just protects everyone else from you if you have, or are carrying it (expectedly, or unexpectedly)
Not to say you shouldn't wear one, everyone has the right to wear whatever they want (within a certain degree of decency), but you should know why you're wearing it, and not be mistaken.
@@ProtoPropski Actually it doesnt protect you or anyone else from obtaining covid.
It's not a properly fitted N95 mask.
It actually promotes the growth of covid/bacteria/ literally all types of contaminates due to the mask maintaining your mouth a dark humid place.
Anything dark & humid is perfect for contamination growth.
So you become a manufacturing plant of covid & youre spewing it out - spreading it absolutely everwhere - regardless if you have a stupid piece of cloth over your mouth thats supposed to 'magically' stop everything.
:D
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Whats with the stupid mask?
What’s with the stupid comment?
Masks are how you limit the spread of disease in a huge room full of stagnant air and people from all over. I was at this talk, wasn't wearing a mask and came home with covid.
Why is he wearing a mask in 2024?
because covid was going around at the con. I know because I came home with it, along with a bunch of other people.
This guy has a great talk but why the f*** is he wearing a mask? You're on a stage and nobody's around you, seriously WTF.
Here's the thing about distance, it doesn't protect you when you're in a huge room full of thousands of people and stagnant air.
Cory wore a mask the whole time he was at the con. I only saw a handful of others who were wearing masks. I wasn't one of those so I came home with covid along with a bunch of others.
So what you're saying is that we need more regulation and censorship?
I honestly don't know how you want to achieve what you're talking about.. even if you take money away from the entire idea people are still shity and you can't change that easily
I don't understand why the Internet isn't governed by the same privacy laws as old copperline phone systems
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