Based on the video evidence, I can't prove that the soldiers were or were not engaged in "Pillage" which is a violation of Article 33 or the 1949 Geneva conventions. Typically, if soldiers take food from the civilian population, they must pay for the food or leave a receipt. Full video here at RyanMcBeth.Substack.com For uncensored video, check out my substack at: ryanmcbeth.substack.com Like my shirts? Get your own at: www.bunkerbranding.com/pages/ryan-mcbeth Want a personalized greeting: www.cameo.com/ryanmcbeth Watch all of my long form videos: ruclips.net/p/PLt670_P7pOGmLWZG78JlM-rG2ZrpPziOy Twitter: @ryanmcbeth Instagram: @therealryanmcbeth BlueSky @ryanmcbeth Reddit: /r/ryanmcbeth Join the conversation: discord.gg/pKuGDHZHrz Want to send me something? Ryan McBeth Productions LLC 8705 Colesville Rd. Suite 249 Silver Spring, MD 20910 USA
Some people have already said it in the comments, but that morale patch was a FREEDOM patch from S.T.A.L.K.E.R., a survival FPS set in Chernobyl. I started laughing so hard when I saw it
When he threw a whole box of gummy balls to the floor while gulping just one, wasn't that wanton destruction? It seems that was a war crime, as I doubt he paid for all the gummy balls that he didn't eat.
When you did your Israel video, in which you showed strong outrage they destroyed a whole office supply store, were you as charitative to the IDF as you were with the UA Army? For the IDF guys, you didn't suggest that might happened inside Israeli territory, nor did you suggest they may have paid or left a receipt for the store owner off-camera. Did you just apply a different evaluation standar for two different armies?
@@harrykuheim6107 you seem really motivated about this, did they hurt you or is it just that "black lies matter" is the new slogan your bosses have rolled out and you want to get a bonus for repeating it the most times?
@@ishill85 He is probably just sundowning he is talking like it happened this summer or maybe last year but the BLM protests were 4 years ago. I think he is disassociating and conflating news coverage of the right wing UK riots with all that looting with past news coverage. Sad really but dementia is very common on the right.
That morale patch is from the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. video games, which take place in Ukraine's Chernobyl exclusion zone. The patch is from the Freedom faction in game.
"Can't identify this morale patch" - Wait, do I know something Ryan doesn't? It's the "Freedom" Faction insignia from the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. video games, a classic Ukrainian video game set in an alt-history Chernobyl Exclusion Zone.
@@ludvig3242 that is what "morale patches" are. STALKER patches are a fairly common sight in ukraine since the videogame is kind of a cultural icon. hell, some of the devs of the game have fought and died in this war.
@@deo-nisNo surprise in Feb 2022 to see Ukrainian babushkas making molotov cocktails, Ukrainian civilians setting up roadblocks and other Ukrainian villagers taking hunting weapons to blunt what was ultimately russia's failed push on Kyiv. Why is russian TV not broadcasting russian people in Kursk region, including the 70+ settlements in Ukrainian hands, doing similar things? Because no russians are doing that. And that is because there is no russian belief in their supposed 'cause'. That's one big difference between Ukrainian society and russian society.
I agree but with the amount of propaganda pushed out they should either A)not record anything. The the more likely option B)make counter propaganda and don't record yourself doing dumb shit. Gonna also add I know it was for a laugh and every Army does dumb shit
Why do you call yourself "we"? If you are not the king of Ukraine or a pregnant woman, not a bee or an ant, but a simple keyboard warrior, then use "I", something like "I am not going to pay for stolen food, because I am a keyboard warrior, I do not participate in robberies"
@@andreykaminskiy2391 i dont think you realise that instead of making you seem more intellegent you just come across as a bit crazy, you obviously know hes reffering to ukraine and likening himself to their cause, so why bother?
Looting grocery stores isn't really something that surprises me from either side when they capture a town on the front. The place may be closed until there's some expectation of stability and food doesn't stay good forever. Stealing food can be understood, to a degree. They seem to be respecting the place and not going hog-wild like it's a shopping spree or wrecking the place. It looks like they're collecting basic nutritional provisions. What caught my attention about Russia is the wholesale murder of civilians and the theft of toilets, appliances, and other icons of western decadence. Old-style of warfare where you simply steal what your neighbor has because you're too incompetent to make it yourself.
Making a stupid TikTok skit and pouring food out all over? This was tacky at best. If they went and took some food - especially perishable food, would be more understood.
I found it funny that Ryan said “they’re not a bunch of Cossacks.” Actually, that is precisely how the Ukrainians identify themselves; just read the lyrics of their national anthem!
Show me people snagging TVs and jewelry.... and I'll call it looting Show me them taking food & medical supplies.... and I'll call it emergency provisioning
The ukrainian military doesn't have a supply line issue. Let's just call it what it is. Unnecesssry and unprofessional. No not the end of the world, not as bad the russian military. Still wrong. Many of the russian military were also starving when they dined in fleeing ukrainian resident's homes and it was dead wrong then. Ryan even reported on this behavior by Israeli soldiers in gaza and he called it out. Strange he doesn't call this out.
@@worldspam5682 That is Cos-Play as Stress Relief during Prolonged Exposure To A Highly Stressful Environment. Think of Hamlet talking to Yorick the Skull in the play
Considering the horrendous war crimes Russians have filmed themselves commiting, I'm going to look the other way at the guy eating some candy in an abandoned supermarket.
Right? Holding Ukraine to the highest standards of military professionalism in this war just seems absolutely absurd. They didn't invade anyone. They didn't murder the whole town like Russia did in Bucha and Kharkiv.
@@dokedoker3340 no they don't!... after their victory they can just turn their back on NATO and EU with ruZZia defeated... something that was supposed to be ''our job''...
@@dokedoker3340 The help is reciprocal. They are putting their lives in the grinder to keep Russia tied up with NATO feeding them just enough to hold a stalemate and drag it out.
Whilst we did not see the Ukrainian soldiers pay for or leave a note for these goods - we also did not see them remove the goods from the store either, so we can't say the pillage actually happened. But I agree that it does look a bit shady so probably better not to give the enemy any ammo for their propaganda.
@@nielskorpel8860 And the pile of gumdrops or whatever that the guy poured towards his mouth and dumped all over the place (1:05) was definitely rendered unusable
Videos are surfacing showing Ukrainian troops handing out boxes of groceries to residents in the Kursk region. It seems that while they might've taken stuff, they also seem to be giving the stuff away to Russian Citizens.
i remember there being quite to ruckus about finding over 160 of the "Kidnapped" children in germany. It isnt unreasonable to believe that a lot of the children are simply refugees who escaped with their parents without reporting in to the ukranian goverment.
And don't forget all the intercepted phone calls of Orcs, telling Orcette's that they are bring home washing machines and indoor toilets and also sent home packages of looted items.
You forgot the many millions of tons of grain stolen from occupied areas, still being sold and shipped around the world after being labelled as Russian.
@@ruger6049some of the packages were sent to the Russian soldier's wife, sent on pallets and weighing over 250kg. Thats looting, this is just making a TIKTOK video to boost moral after fighting for 10 years 🙂
Taking some food? LOL. Seriously? Who gives a flying F. Russia has laid waste to civilian areas in Ukraine for 2 years. This is nothing. As long as the soldiers leave the local Russians alone. No torture, etc etc.
The Geneva conventions are from a time where looting food out of the hands of civilians was a much graver offense (for reasons I'll let you invent), as compared to today in Ukraine/Russia specifically. Supposedly, Ukraine gives aid to the locals, including food. Another side-effects or said relatively food-abundant time/place: if the civilians starve at all we would be angry at the army of Ukrainians regardless of whether they looted food out of the hands of the civilian population or not. TLDR: History means both the responsibility and margin should have grown since the Geneva conventions. So long as there is actually otherwise enough food aid from ukraine, who cares.
@@kevinn1158Actually I talked before my turn (before watching the video). Ah well how emberassing. 😅 Apparently the Geneva conventions are about pillaging and not necessarily food, so my implications about there being food-based considerations when drafting it, although imaginable, go unjustified. Secondly, leaving receipts promising reimbursement when you take food is nice. I can only support the practice.
@@nielskorpel8860 Russia will owe Trillions to Ukraine once the war ends. In my opinion, taking food from the local mart is a grain of sand in a thousand mile beach. Sadly, this area is going to end up as a bargaining chip for Ukraine if Russia tried to keep the annexed land of Ukraine. So the Ukrainians imo might rightfully try to keep this land.
you miss the point. WRT a few items from an abandoned store 'IT SIMPLY DOESN'T MATTER'! How the Ukrainian forces treat civilians and those actually in possession of stuff is what matters - remember the security guard murdered on the first day of the invasion by russian soldiers so they could load a truck with the products from a factory?- THAT is looting.
Realistically they probably took it, but also realistically they're being invaded by Russians. so while I'm generally of I don't steal mindset, Russia started this and when you start a fight you kind of own the consequences of the fight.
@@ryanweible9090And besides that, it looked like that supermarket had no more electricity, so a lot of the food was probably about to go bad. If the soldiers took a few perishables that were about to expire anyways, it's not a big deal imo.
I really think there should be a distinction drawn between something like this and what we would normally think of as war crimes. Technically, you're correct and I agree with the analysis. But, calling this a war crime only serves to muddy the waters when we talk about the damages of war and abuses of those who carry it out. If you told someone that a country committed war crimes during some operation, they wouldn't think you meant shoplifting.
Russian soldiers did the same when they invaded Kharkiv and other towns in 2022. The Russian soldiers were seen stealing washing machines and televisions. Nobody spoke of the Geneva convention then
Whataboutism is always a weak argument. World history is full of one-sided wars fought against an enemy who doesn’t abide by the Geneva convention. That is absolutely no excuse for the good guys to throw the rules of war by the wayside.
Lot of people are going to comment on this and have already answered the question, but I might as well toss my hat into the ring on this one as well. The morale patch on the soldier in the beginning is from a fictionalized group called "Freedom", from the STALKER series produced by GSC.
So what if the Ukrainians are looting abandoned grocery stores? They’re still not bombing them with civilians inside like the Russians did. Besides I’ve seen interviews on a few different news feeds now with Russian civilians in Kursk and Belgorod that have said Ukrainian soldiers have brought them food and supplies. Really shows the contrast in objectives between the two factions. I think Ukraine has just as much reason to be thinking of this as a hearts-and-minds campaign as they do about leveraging territory at the negotiating table.
Also, with the military operation, you could reasonably assume that that place is gonna be absolutely vacant and non operational for months or even a year. It’s one thing if you’re just passing through occupied cities, and there would still be people going in there and getting food. That city is gonna be living on humanitarian aid for a long time.
@lylewalker5681 not really a long time. I mean I don't think it would take more than a few months to get back working following the end of operations there
@@goiterlanternbase What unnecessary destruction? The food is just going to rot in there anyway, they might as well have at it. And again, it’s not like they’re bombing it with civilians inside like the Russians did in Ukraine.
@@Wesley_H There are civilians, no 100m away. You never get them out of the contact line. They just hide. I bet they would like to eat something too, as soon as the contact line has moved at least 2km.
@@Bruva_Ayamhytit's a double standard. Supporting ukraine doesn't mean it can do no wrong. This is simply wrong. Often looting and trashing a local business at scale are because the perps are triggered and angry at a higher authority. But it never has an effect on those authorities. It only hurts small time individuals who cannot really make a difference. In addition the cavalier manner in filming of these acts hurts the moral case of the perps.
Yeah, until the cameras turn off. Good God you people are so gulable. Why don't you talk about the videos that were removed from RUclips where Ukranian soldiers were shooting their own people in western part of Ukraine that were refuseing forced recruitment????
Yeah, that's pretty common. US Military is also far less likely to shoot you than a police officer. The irony of military personnel treating civilians in a foreign country, that is literally a war zone, better than US police treat people who live in the same area as them never gets old.
@@randomuser5443 how on earth does that work? fighting a war of survival -> you have to pay for the wrong door you break. wrong door of your OWN civilians -> fuck em.
@@ghosthunter0950 Yeah seriously i support the police but i really wish that they were held to a much higher standard with their operations they have literally demolished entire peoples homes before and only had to pay out like $8K FOR A FREAKING ENTIRE HOUSE. It's madness
@@ghosthunter0950 MERICA! no literally, there's a law that says police arent responsible for paying for things they break during an active "investigation"
@@nmg1909 it doesn't matter what excuse you make in regards to their traumas. and frankly anyone in on a front in a war experiences traumas. doesn't mean they are in the right for vandalism and looting. they are lacking discipline and to make it worse, filming themselves committing mild war crimes. if they didn't film it and upload it online then I probably wouldn't care if I witnessed it.
@@tengia7927 It is. I think what they mean by "first democracy in Europe", is the fact that Hetmen (Military commanders) were elected during war in the Cossack Hetmanate.
@ptbelttactics They were from Puerto Rico 🇵🇷... Louisiana National Guard was partially deployed; if I remember correctly. They were required to do so to discourage looting... It was a real s#*t show.
IDF ain’t even trying. They played into Hamas’s strategy like fools. I use to have very little sympathy for the Palestinians. Electing a government that calls for the destruction of Israel was a bone head move but it doesn’t give Israel the right to toss humanity out the window.
The IDF doesn't care because they know like it or not America has no choice. You start raising Cain for Bibi, he will probably start leaning closer toward China or India. India, especially. India is pro-Israel, through and through,
I know they're both counterterrorism operations against an invading power, but Kursk is about 100 times less dense than Gaza and isn't filled to the brim with combatants like Gaza is.
You totally missed it. Pillage requires REMOVAL of the groceries. Nothing in these "skits" show products leaving the supermarket. I guess pouring food over your face onto the floor might qualify but this does not meet the definition of pillage (no violence seen either).
This. The first video - unless there's more that isn't here - shows a man in uniform pushing a cart of groceries in a grocery store, presumably the same store the groceries came from. At no stage does he attempt to leave, he hasn't even got to the door/till. He also gets passed by another customer, without any apparent trepidation on their part. He might well not even have finished picking stuff. Where I'm from, we call this "shopping" - there's precisely zero indication that he is stealing the goods, or that he intends to. In the second video they're obviously messing around, the empty boxes are obvious. The apparent waste of M&M's (or local equivalent) at the end, might count, assuming they weren't already spilt and/or got paid for at some point.
@@jonathanj8303 Not only that but on the second video, maybe the store employees have evacuated and the store is not opening. Is it really OK to let food get spoiled, just because it might be seen as looting? So even if they took groceries... I'd say this isn't evidence of looting.
YEah, but these videos create a lot of embarassment for Kyiv, and also will create a lot of legal problems for Ukrainian millitary occupation authorities too. Still.... who knows.
@@Morrodin182 in the second, I can't speak to "maybe", because I simply don't know, and the video is all the context we have. But I see them leave with nothing, nor do they apparently pocket anything etc, and most of the skit involves empty boxes. So the only thing I can safely say is no longer available to its (presumed) former owners is the candy. Assuming it wasn't either already wasted or somehow paid for. And even that really needs more context to know.
This is a hard one, because when fighting an enemy that doesn't follow any of the articles of the Geneva Convention its hard to feel stealing some food is truly a heinous crime. At the same time I agree it gives a bad image that can be exploited for propaganda by Russia. That said, if my family was subjected to Russian bombings, if people I loved were brutally raped and killed by Russian soldiers (which has been well documented and proven over the course of the war). I truly don't think I'd care in the slightest about a Russian store not being paid for items taken, especially when leaving them money would in turn fund the very government that is killing my own people.
Yeah, it definitely isnt morally black and white easy. But in the best of worlds one should try to be the better part and not sink to that level. Not that it would be easy at all of course.
It's not a moral question at all they are looting what's the problem in saying that does it somehow make the Russians stronger to admit that Ukraine commits the same minor violations that every Army commits to me trying to find all these caveats to always be 100% on the Ukrainian side of every argument just makes you look like an unserious person yeah they took some food from a grocery store is that legal probably not does it really change anything no move on
I don't think Russian propaganda needs something like this. They have spread a lot of b******* without any evidence for decades... Before this video Ukrainian soldiers showed some videos where locals took goods from the store and asked them what they were doing. Locals answered that they need food and take it from the store.
I worked with a guy who was involved in that. He said the Americans were taking absolutely everything. Nice guy, he ended up working at Buckingham palace as a Queens guard. But to be fair to the Ukrainians, they have been kicked around a lot, can understand this
You are smart! To justify one abomination with another is a sign of the highest wisdom. It is obvious that if someone has committed a crime, then another person also has the right to commit a crime. Only really stupid people do not understand this.
@@andreykaminskiy2391 hes not saying its right for ukraine to not leave receipts hes just saying is russia doing it for everything they've destroyed or looted
@@officerjester94 If I don't try to justify Ukrainian robbers, then I'm going to justify Russian robbers? Do you honestly think I'm obligated to justify the crimes of either side of the conflict? You need some help from a specialist, buddy.
During the American Civil War the U.S. Army would issue receipts after requisitioning supplies from Southerners. But to be paid after the war the civilians had to prove they were pro-Unionists. The Confederates did the same thing during the Gettysburg campaign but paid immediately in Confederate script which was almost useless.
I really wish the US didn't have a history of being so awful. Pillaging is a war crime the founders saw so much of that it made it into our constitution.
You forgot to mention the other side of the coin. This video is a morale boost for Ukrainians when they see their soldiers in enemy territory feeling safe enough to record a skit.
The mere fact that they still keep ability to make fun of this likely common war-shopping routine earns the Ukrainians only more sympathy .. I see it as the Good Soldier Svejk kinda spirit .. .. He also forgot to leave a link to the clip I seem to have hard time digging it out ..
"We left a receipt, but it was destroyed by an Iskander missile." I don't think your experiences in Iraq war are too relevant to this one. Anything left in that store will either be looted by someone, go to waste, or be destroyed by artillery. Just leaving food there is nonsensical. If it wasn't abandoned that'd be different, though what currency would they even use to pay people with?
@@thearpox7873 Because someone COULD theoretically figure out where that store is, thus giving away your position. Well, that and it gives the Russian sophists like Tucker Carlson something to use as propaganda.
Is it still considered pillaging if it’s not a civilian grocery store? I know my local navy base has a grocery store on base. If it’s a government store I say it’s fair game. When Russia invaded Ukraine we saw tragedy, tears, shock. When I saw reports Ukraine had entered Russia they showed Russians at the park, laughing, kids playing on a beach, not a care in the world. Ukraine isn’t going after civilians. I just don’t see them purposely stealing food from a grocery store if the public needed it.
I have seen many videos showing that Russian citizens and soldiers looting Russian stores and homes in Russia recently. I am a Russian and I was borne in the Braynsk oblast (it's next to Kursk oblast). So I understand what they say on the videos when I see them. And I understand why local Russian loot: it's psyche, and its total deprivation the Putinism has got us to -- the wealthy were able to run East on their automobiles, while regular people could not because the Russian state did not thing to evacuate the regular people, and the regular people live mostly below the poverty line in Russia. So now they use this chance to compensate.
@@paddington1670 my own? I moved to live in Moscow (as most young ambitious guys do). Big cities have toilets inside their apartments and houses in Russia, but in my home town half of the households had them outside. Note that western Russia is better compared to other parts of Russia. Bryansk is a city, not a town. Remember that Russia is one city county; Moscow. And not the entire Moscow, but downtown Moscow only.
They dont have supplies for obvious reasons. If the Ukrainian army has no supplies, it goes to a total different area. Also the civilians would not be held accounable by the geneva conventions and actually. by no one, because there is no real authotity there, so long ukrainie hasnt established an administration.
@@olivierl2172 This means that the store already was in disarray and the 'items on the ground' cannot be used to prove misconduct by Ukrainian soldiers.
in ww2 Patton told my grandfather they were going to have to live off the land , that meant they would take their food from the Germans and thats what they did
@@SusCalvin they might be best supplied, but can the Chain catch the Head... pretty sure that was the case at the start of the Europe campaign, only when they got near to Germany did it stabilized...
If somebody steals your car will you be stealing your neighbour's because someone owes you your car? Russian civilians are not the Russian army, which is poorly supplied, run by troglodytes, and poorly trained.
@@dokedoker3340 once you stop having them on NATO life support and actually seriously support them maybe I'll consider calling them out on something this minor.
My answer: "Because guys don't need food and their actions look like shit."))) It's not such a complicated answer, you could figure it out yourself, buddy.
@@thearpox7873 discipline does not stop applying when you're off duty/on break or on leave etc. that statement is not an expression of opinion in regards to the video. it is about the expectation of conduct present in any formal military. of course not all militaries are equal in such matters. the town of Bucha will tell that tale for decades.
@@raifsevrence Of course. Even off duty, soldiers should carry themselves appropriately. Which they do here. Ergo, this is not a discipline problem. To paraphrase you, different militaries have different regulations, not everyone has to be like US to excel.
Ukrainian journalists have interviewed residents of Sudzha (close enough to pronounce like saying "sued ya" all run together like "soo-jya") who've said that the Ukrainian soldiers are bringing them food. Is it "pillaging" if soldiers are taking it from the grocery store to the local population, or is it "commandeering" for the military governance of the local populace? Granted, there should be receipts left either way. But as others have also pointed out: these soldiers were videoed essentially moving rubble in a bombed out store. They weren't shown taking or even destroying anything (that I noticed anyway, and there may be more of the video that I haven't seen, of course). So the video presented here doesn't actually show any evidence of pillaging occurring, though if the soldiers did take stuff for themselves then that's what they did. But when it comes to "crimes" we don't prove "were or weren't": we only prove "were", which didn't happen here. A semantic quibble to the commentariat, but an important distinction legally! Anhyhow, thanks for the video!
Out Cold War plans had some discussions about how a civilian authority under a foreign (Soviet) occupational government would need to work. Some municipal services like water, the regional hospital, power etc would hopefully continue. The municipality council would have to form some working relation with a Soviet officer, and try to keep things in their hands.
They were running the items through the cash register scanner, and it was beeping, which means it was creating a receipt, either intentional or not by the soldiers.
I did not see any product go out the door. A soldier putting stuff in the cart, and (stupidly) filming his face. And, two soldiers filming stuff at the check out register, (nothing’s cash anymore) and making a mess. But no inventory going out the door.
I saw a hilarious video of some Ukranian's coming across some Russians who decided to stay behind, pushing carts of stuff they looted from neighbors who had evacuated.
One thing you may not have caught in the second video... The soldier at the register was "scanning" what appeared to be EMPTY boxes, and also they was no video of them actually removing ANYTHING from the store.
@@joeschmoe9154 stealing is stealing, plus they are vandalizing. I don't see why you feel the need to deny it. it's not particularly heinous so why lie and misrepresent?
@@lavabeard5939- No matter how trivial, the Ruskis will use it to make sweeping statements about them “looting and vandalising”. That’s how propaganda works.
The louder they whine about these videos the further do they prove your point Not like they have any better proof about Ukrainian "war crimes" so they have to find at least some excuses 😂
ive seen a ton of stalker patches, shit kinda hits close to home cus i love the games so much lol, just a bunch of dudes similar to me on the other side of the planet in a shitty situation
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Based on the video evidence, I can't prove that the soldiers were or were not engaged in "Pillage" which is a violation of Article 33 or the 1949 Geneva conventions.
Typically, if soldiers take food from the civilian population, they must pay for the food or leave a receipt.
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The convention is only applicable to invaders. Defenders are allowed to do anything and everything to protect their right to exist.
Some people have already said it in the comments, but that morale patch was a FREEDOM patch from S.T.A.L.K.E.R., a survival FPS set in Chernobyl.
I started laughing so hard when I saw it
When he threw a whole box of gummy balls to the floor while gulping just one, wasn't that wanton destruction? It seems that was a war crime, as I doubt he paid for all the gummy balls that he didn't eat.
Its food. Sorry I dont think it is considering that would be "living off the land and the civilians are gone.
When you did your Israel video, in which you showed strong outrage they destroyed a whole office supply store, were you as charitative to the IDF as you were with the UA Army? For the IDF guys, you didn't suggest that might happened inside Israeli territory, nor did you suggest they may have paid or left a receipt for the store owner off-camera.
Did you just apply a different evaluation standar for two different armies?
All i see is a "special checkout shopping operation"
Self Check Out like Black LIES Matter did all summer...
@@harrykuheim6107 you seem really motivated about this, did they hurt you or is it just that "black lies matter" is the new slogan your bosses have rolled out and you want to get a bonus for repeating it the most times?
@@ishill85 He is probably just sundowning he is talking like it happened this summer or maybe last year but the BLM protests were 4 years ago. I think he is disassociating and conflating news coverage of the right wing UK riots with all that looting with past news coverage. Sad really but dementia is very common on the right.
Found the russian @@harrykuheim6107
@@ishill85 but he is correct regardless how you fell about it.
That morale patch is from the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. video games, which take place in Ukraine's Chernobyl exclusion zone. The patch is from the Freedom faction in game.
No wonder that patch looked familiar! Thanks for noticing!
Didn't the creator of the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. video game get killed in Bakhmut? 😢
@@yourcringe-8I thought that was a random guy who was cosplaying but idk if we're talking about the same thing
@@ZackShark1 the developer of S.T.A.L.K.E.R. was killed fighting near bakhmut. 🔱
Get out of here stalker!
Article 34 also prohibits improv comedy. Absolutely reprehensible
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Absolutely
For more info, look up "Ukraine rule 34".
You just haven't seen any good improv. I mean, nobody has, but you haven't either.
@@jmodified lol good one xD
"Can't identify this morale patch" - Wait, do I know something Ryan doesn't? It's the "Freedom" Faction insignia from the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. video games, a classic Ukrainian video game set in an alt-history Chernobyl Exclusion Zone.
This
So it's a larp patch?
@@ludvig3242 that is what "morale patches" are. STALKER patches are a fairly common sight in ukraine since the videogame is kind of a cultural icon. hell, some of the devs of the game have fought and died in this war.
i knew i saw it, i had to cheack
@@ludvig3242 Pretty weird to call it a "larp patch" when it's an active duty service member wearing it, Mr. Keyboard Warrior.
At least They are not bombing supermarkets and grocery stores with customers inside.
lol and what did they just do in Donetsk? LOL, they do it al the time
@@deo-nisNo surprise in Feb 2022 to see Ukrainian babushkas making molotov cocktails, Ukrainian civilians setting up roadblocks and other Ukrainian villagers taking hunting weapons to blunt what was ultimately russia's failed push on Kyiv. Why is russian TV not broadcasting russian people in Kursk region, including the 70+ settlements in Ukrainian hands, doing similar things? Because no russians are doing that. And that is because there is no russian belief in their supposed 'cause'. That's one big difference between Ukrainian society and russian society.
@@deo-nisRussia’s own propaganda debunks this already long drawn out narrative
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Umm, Ukrainian soldiers could pet a kitten and they'd still be called monsters by the vatnik army.
Having pets is too gay smh
so true!
I agree but with the amount of propaganda pushed out they should either A)not record anything. The the more likely option B)make counter propaganda and don't record yourself doing dumb shit.
Gonna also add I know it was for a laugh and every Army does dumb shit
Relevance to this video: none.
@@harbingerdawn 7:20
We give receipts for requisitioned goods when Russia provides receipts for stolen children.
Why do you call yourself "we"? If you are not the king of Ukraine or a pregnant woman, not a bee or an ant, but a simple keyboard warrior, then use "I", something like "I am not going to pay for stolen food, because I am a keyboard warrior, I do not participate in robberies"
@@andreykaminskiy2391 What are you yapping about 😢
@@andreykaminskiy2391🤓
@@andreykaminskiy2391 i dont think you realise that instead of making you seem more intellegent you just come across as a bit crazy, you obviously know hes reffering to ukraine and likening himself to their cause, so why bother?
@@andreykaminskiy2391 oh the little bot is crying loll
Looting grocery stores isn't really something that surprises me from either side when they capture a town on the front. The place may be closed until there's some expectation of stability and food doesn't stay good forever. Stealing food can be understood, to a degree. They seem to be respecting the place and not going hog-wild like it's a shopping spree or wrecking the place. It looks like they're collecting basic nutritional provisions. What caught my attention about Russia is the wholesale murder of civilians and the theft of toilets, appliances, and other icons of western decadence. Old-style of warfare where you simply steal what your neighbor has because you're too incompetent to make it yourself.
Making a stupid TikTok skit and pouring food out all over?
This was tacky at best.
If they went and took some food - especially perishable food, would be more understood.
They aren't doing anything that Black LIES Matter hasn't done...Looting Stores is their "Right"
I was also wondering if they were also taking goods from the store, if the owner asked them to take stuff out for them.
I found it funny that Ryan said “they’re not a bunch of Cossacks.”
Actually, that is precisely how the Ukrainians identify themselves; just read the lyrics of their national anthem!
@@codycastThat wasn't food you ding dong it was Lego
Show me people snagging TVs and jewelry.... and I'll call it looting
Show me them taking food & medical supplies.... and I'll call it emergency provisioning
Well said
Yeah, still that candy shower was out of equation.
The ukrainian military doesn't have a supply line issue. Let's just call it what it is. Unnecesssry and unprofessional. No not the end of the world, not as bad the russian military. Still wrong. Many of the russian military were also starving when they dined in fleeing ukrainian resident's homes and it was dead wrong then. Ryan even reported on this behavior by Israeli soldiers in gaza and he called it out. Strange he doesn't call this out.
@@nunyabusiness863 Perhaps I have misunderstood your post, but are you suggesting that IDF forces looted in Gaza because they were hungry?
@@worldspam5682 That is Cos-Play as Stress Relief during Prolonged Exposure To A Highly Stressful Environment. Think of Hamlet talking to Yorick the Skull in the play
Considering the horrendous war crimes Russians have filmed themselves commiting, I'm going to look the other way at the guy eating some candy in an abandoned supermarket.
Right? Holding Ukraine to the highest standards of military professionalism in this war just seems absolutely absurd. They didn't invade anyone. They didn't murder the whole town like Russia did in Bucha and Kharkiv.
@@dokedoker3340or what ya Gonna do big boy? Complain on RUclips chat lmao 😂
@@dokedoker3340 no they don't!... after their victory they can just turn their back on NATO and EU with ruZZia defeated... something that was supposed to be ''our job''...
Turnabouts fair play.
@@dokedoker3340 The help is reciprocal. They are putting their lives in the grinder to keep Russia tied up with NATO feeding them just enough to hold a stalemate and drag it out.
A Ukranian soldier stopped two women looting their neighbors belongings. Shopkeepers are gone. The locals are taking perishable food to survive.
@@dokedoker3340 ? I'm pretty sure he was referencing some other video.
@@dokedoker3340 yeah its candy, its not like someone its going to die of hunger because of gumballs thrown on the ground
@@dokedoker3340 um the Russians did the same looting wen this howl thing started
@@Quokka666Except they looted furniture, toilets, washing machines, jewelry, and TVs.
@@Quokka666and WHY did this whole thing start? Who invaded who exactly? Plus isn't it INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY?
Whilst we did not see the Ukrainian soldiers pay for or leave a note for these goods - we also did not see them remove the goods from the store either, so we can't say the pillage actually happened. But I agree that it does look a bit shady so probably better not to give the enemy any ammo for their propaganda.
The five eaten candyballs from video 2 probably did leave the store though.
They were 'scanning' empty packaging...
@@nielskorpel8860Unless they made use of the store's bathroom.
@@nielskorpel8860 And the pile of gumdrops or whatever that the guy poured towards his mouth and dumped all over the place (1:05) was definitely rendered unusable
Videos are surfacing showing Ukrainian troops handing out boxes of groceries to residents in the Kursk region.
It seems that while they might've taken stuff, they also seem to be giving the stuff away to Russian Citizens.
There's no power in that supermarket. The LED on the checkout wasn't working.
😂
BEEP!
@@JohnShalamskas that was the soldier making the noise
@@joshtaylor9626 nuh uh
@@joshtaylor9626 no... it was very clearly the cash register making the noise, i can attest to it because i was the jar of gumballs
Kidnapping children vs not paying for groceries?
i remember there being quite to ruckus about finding over 160 of the "Kidnapped" children in germany. It isnt unreasonable to believe that a lot of the children are simply refugees who escaped with their parents without reporting in to the ukranian goverment.
Stop spreading this old propaganda…
Ok Vatnik 😂 @@ccdsds3221
Calling the evacuation of residents from destroyed settlements a kidnapping is in the spirit of Western and Ukrainian propaganda
Kidnapping children 😂😂😂? Msm BS lies.
“This is kinda new territory for theses guys”. Literally
Unless you count the Fact that Ukrainians served in both the Soviet and Nazi Armies in WW2. They looted and murdered with both sides.
Yeah. Walking all over the store just to find where they put the paper towels.
*Opens up centuries old map*
Kursk is historically Ukrainian land.
Yeaaaaah, Sudzha is soooo new territory that it definitely wasn't a capital of Ukrainian SSR in... 1919? Sorry, forgot the date
Acktually, historically it’s OLD territory for Ukraine. 🤪
Ukrainian looting - bulging pockets. Russian looting - overloaded lorries/trucks in convoy to the train station freight yard.
Yep, not even a comparison. Plus Ukrainians are taking food that they might even need. Russians were emptying homes of furniture.
And don't forget all the intercepted phone calls of Orcs, telling Orcette's that they are bring home washing machines and indoor toilets and also sent home packages of looted items.
You forgot the many millions of tons of grain stolen from occupied areas, still being sold and shipped around the world after being labelled as Russian.
@@ruger6049 or how they treated any women... some serious schoolboy shit to say they need to make sure they pay for some damn gum balls...
@@ruger6049some of the packages were sent to the Russian soldier's wife, sent on pallets and weighing over 250kg. Thats looting, this is just making a TIKTOK video to boost moral after fighting for 10 years 🙂
Taking some food? LOL. Seriously? Who gives a flying F. Russia has laid waste to civilian areas in Ukraine for 2 years. This is nothing. As long as the soldiers leave the local Russians alone. No torture, etc etc.
The Geneva conventions are from a time where looting food out of the hands of civilians was a much graver offense (for reasons I'll let you invent), as compared to today in Ukraine/Russia specifically.
Supposedly, Ukraine gives aid to the locals, including food. Another side-effects or said relatively food-abundant time/place: if the civilians starve at all we would be angry at the army of Ukrainians regardless of whether they looted food out of the hands of the civilian population or not.
TLDR: History means both the responsibility and margin should have grown since the Geneva conventions. So long as there is actually otherwise enough food aid from ukraine, who cares.
@@nielskorpel8860 well said.
@@kevinn1158Actually I talked before my turn (before watching the video). Ah well how emberassing. 😅
Apparently the Geneva conventions are about pillaging and not necessarily food, so my implications about there being food-based considerations when drafting it, although imaginable, go unjustified.
Secondly, leaving receipts promising reimbursement when you take food is nice. I can only support the practice.
@@nielskorpel8860 Russia will owe Trillions to Ukraine once the war ends. In my opinion, taking food from the local mart is a grain of sand in a thousand mile beach.
Sadly, this area is going to end up as a bargaining chip for Ukraine if Russia tried to keep the annexed land of Ukraine. So the Ukrainians imo might rightfully try to keep this land.
ya. Not pillaging, maybe 'looting', if you are a pro Russian shill.
1:21 that patch is from a military faction named Freedom from the Ukrainian video game S.T.A.L.K.E.R
Average freedom user
FREEDOM!🇺🇦
STEAL: Strategically transferring edibles to alternate location
That spells STETAL 🤦♂️😆
@@Chainsaw-ASMR I'm referencing the Fat Electrician who is a military history comedy youtube channel.
@@Chainsaw-ASMR "to" Usually dont get included in acronym
Yep, ignore that uncultured jackanape. Us Nick fans knew your reference, my friend. 😏👊 @@glorioustigereye
@@glorioustigereye ahh, sorry then. I didn’t understand your extremely specific joke. I’ll try to watch more RUclips.
Number 3: we cannot even prove that they actually took anything from the store. they might just went in, filmed a "funny" sketch and left.
you miss the point. WRT a few items from an abandoned store 'IT SIMPLY DOESN'T MATTER'! How the Ukrainian forces treat civilians and those actually in possession of stuff is what matters - remember the security guard murdered on the first day of the invasion by russian soldiers so they could load a truck with the products from a factory?- THAT is looting.
Realistically they probably took it, but also realistically they're being invaded by Russians. so while I'm generally of I don't steal mindset, Russia started this and when you start a fight you kind of own the consequences of the fight.
@@ryanweible9090And besides that, it looked like that supermarket had no more electricity, so a lot of the food was probably about to go bad.
If the soldiers took a few perishables that were about to expire anyways, it's not a big deal imo.
That's the patch from S.T.A.L.K.E.R bahahaha 😂
Freedom Faction patch, dude needs to get back to Army Warehouses and defend the barrier
WTF its true 😱
Why?
I thought that was a freedom patch lol.
Think he is fighting duty?
@@marcusherrero4132 Its a Ukrainian game and he is probably a fan.
Exchanging a shopping cart for thousands of buildings, schools and hospitals seems like a bargain.
Amen!
I'm on Ukraine's side in this war, but it doesn't work the way you put it. It's either the rule of law or no law. No bargaining.
I really think there should be a distinction drawn between something like this and what we would normally think of as war crimes. Technically, you're correct and I agree with the analysis. But, calling this a war crime only serves to muddy the waters when we talk about the damages of war and abuses of those who carry it out. If you told someone that a country committed war crimes during some operation, they wouldn't think you meant shoplifting.
Russian soldiers did the same when they invaded Kharkiv and other towns in 2022. The Russian soldiers were seen stealing washing machines and televisions. Nobody spoke of the Geneva convention then
Seriously? Nobody?)))
Whataboutism is always a weak argument. World history is full of one-sided wars fought against an enemy who doesn’t abide by the Geneva convention. That is absolutely no excuse for the good guys to throw the rules of war by the wayside.
People said nothing because it was expected from russians. Ukraine looting isn't expected. People held Ukraine to a higher standard.
EV3RYONE said something. Are you a late joiner?
@@andreykaminskiy2391 Yes.) Bcs it's ruSSian, tolstoyevsky and so on.)
Only after GENOCIDING CITY PEOPLE START SAYING RUSSIA IS BAD ACTUALLY.)
Lot of people are going to comment on this and have already answered the question, but I might as well toss my hat into the ring on this one as well. The morale patch on the soldier in the beginning is from a fictionalized group called "Freedom", from the STALKER series produced by GSC.
The only American flag I saw was the one on the wall behind the bonehead on the camera.
It feels weird to have bested a pro at ID'ing the patch lol.
The guy that created STALKER got killed defending Bahkmut. If I remember the right place
Better than have the goods go to waste in an abandoned supermarket.
So what if the Ukrainians are looting abandoned grocery stores? They’re still not bombing them with civilians inside like the Russians did. Besides I’ve seen interviews on a few different news feeds now with Russian civilians in Kursk and Belgorod that have said Ukrainian soldiers have brought them food and supplies. Really shows the contrast in objectives between the two factions. I think Ukraine has just as much reason to be thinking of this as a hearts-and-minds campaign as they do about leveraging territory at the negotiating table.
Also, with the military operation, you could reasonably assume that that place is gonna be absolutely vacant and non operational for months or even a year. It’s one thing if you’re just passing through occupied cities, and there would still be people going in there and getting food. That city is gonna be living on humanitarian aid for a long time.
@lylewalker5681 not really a long time. I mean I don't think it would take more than a few months to get back working following the end of operations there
But they shouldn't doing it and they for sure should not cause unnecessary destruction😔
Like he said, it is about morale.
@@goiterlanternbase What unnecessary destruction? The food is just going to rot in there anyway, they might as well have at it. And again, it’s not like they’re bombing it with civilians inside like the Russians did in Ukraine.
@@Wesley_H There are civilians, no 100m away. You never get them out of the contact line. They just hide. I bet they would like to eat something too, as soon as the contact line has moved at least 2km.
They abandoned the store and the food will go to waste. Let them eat whatever they want
3: We don't actually see them take any products out of the shops.
Absolutely supportive! You briefly summarize it all! Comprehensive comment!
This is the most pedantic argument. They were dumping food on the floor.
@@Bruva_Ayamhyt really, where? what a few gum balls? Being pedantic much? Cope more. Still not looting.
@@Bruva_Ayamhytit's a double standard. Supporting ukraine doesn't mean it can do no wrong. This is simply wrong.
Often looting and trashing a local business at scale are because the perps are triggered and angry at a higher authority. But it never has an effect on those authorities. It only hurts small time individuals who cannot really make a difference. In addition the cavalier manner in filming of these acts hurts the moral case of the perps.
@guyb7995 still making a mess you should clean it up lol 😂😂😂 or get kicked out from the store and be banned from coming back 😂😂😂
🇺🇦 Ukrainian soldiers are also helping local Kursk residents with supplies and medical aids.
Supplies and what-now?
@@DamoculesGulf food and medicaments
Yeah, until the cameras turn off. Good God you people are so gulable. Why don't you talk about the videos that were removed from RUclips where Ukranian soldiers were shooting their own people in western part of Ukraine that were refuseing forced recruitment????
@@Notrusbot and commiting list of war crimes.
@@Jujarm only no one has officially brought charges of war crimes. The genocide of Ukrainians was also not recognized by the EU.
So if army kicks down my door they'll pay for it. Cop kicks down wrong door. They'll prob arrest me to not pay for it.
Army has significantly higher standards than policing
Yeah, that's pretty common. US Military is also far less likely to shoot you than a police officer. The irony of military personnel treating civilians in a foreign country, that is literally a war zone, better than US police treat people who live in the same area as them never gets old.
@@randomuser5443 how on earth does that work?
fighting a war of survival -> you have to pay for the wrong door you break.
wrong door of your OWN civilians -> fuck em.
@@ghosthunter0950 Yeah seriously i support the police but i really wish that they were held to a much higher standard with their operations they have literally demolished entire peoples homes before and only had to pay out like $8K FOR A FREAKING ENTIRE HOUSE. It's madness
@@ghosthunter0950 MERICA!
no literally, there's a law that says police arent responsible for paying for things they break during an active "investigation"
Obviously, soldiers can take food from an abandoned store unless they are hurting civilians or destroying property
This is self checkout.
They didn't have self checkout when they were under Russian authority. Day one of being Ukrainian territory: upgraded shopping experience.
@@GoogleAreEnemyCombatants And you don't have to lock your cart.
To be fair, they're more of making memes rather than actually stealing.
go into a grocery store and make memes by throwing product around, on the floor etc and see how that goes for you
@@lavabeard5939 Goes well if you arrange that with the store owner in advance
@@lavabeard5939I would have scattered the products too. Do you know traumas Ukraine has gone into?
@@nmg1909 Doesn't make it possibly not a warcrime. Consiering we're simply assuming they didn't take the product
@@nmg1909 it doesn't matter what excuse you make in regards to their traumas. and frankly anyone in on a front in a war experiences traumas. doesn't mean they are in the right for vandalism and looting. they are lacking discipline and to make it worse, filming themselves committing mild war crimes. if they didn't film it and upload it online then I probably wouldn't care if I witnessed it.
What more discipline is there than using a cart?
Ukraines Operation Christmas Shopping is still less violent than American Black Friday
And less violent than Tim Walz's Minneapolis riots.
Number 3. We don't know if they took any goods from the store at all.
you can see the guy shoveling product in his mouth so that's extraordinary copium there
Dude's literally dumping food on the ground, tf you mean?
@@Bruva_Ayamhyt
Candy. Let's not exaggerate the quality of food in question.
@@theuncalledfor I don't see how that's relevant to the discussion, but feel free to enlighten me. Seems like a nitpick to me.
Cossack is not a derogatory term. Cossacks are our national heroes. they also happen to be the founders of the first democracy in Europe.
Isn't Greece-first democracy?
@@tengia7927in the renaissance sense
@@ГенрихЯковенко-г6ч What do you mean Renaissance has been ended 2 centuries ago.
Это очень смешная ложь! 🤣🤣
@@tengia7927 It is. I think what they mean by "first democracy in Europe", is the fact that Hetmen (Military commanders) were elected during war in the Cossack Hetmanate.
The patch on the soldier is a patch from the S.T.A.L.K.E.R series of video games. The logo is that of the "Freedom" faction in game
Ryan being confused by Ukrainian video game iconography is funny.
Svoboda
They are fuckin living it. Enjoy your peace while it last stalkers.
Holy crap I didn't even realize thats kinda sick
@@chilbiyitoVolya. Get out of here, stalker, with your Russian copy.
During Hurricane Katrina, I watched the National Guard destroy Alcohol to prevent looting... extremely memorable
I expect nothing less from Louisiana National Guard.
@ptbelttactics They were from Puerto Rico 🇵🇷... Louisiana National Guard was partially deployed; if I remember correctly. They were required to do so to discourage looting... It was a real s#*t show.
Sad to see Ukraine culture is so close to Russian 😢😮
@@Pifagorass They've not resorted to stealing children, raping, genocide, etc...
Yeah, "so close".
@@Pifagorass nice try russo, looting grocerie stores is not the same as looting people's houses.
looks like reparations to me
To be fair, the Ukranians have been better at managing optics in Kursk than the IDF has been at managing social media in Gaza.
IDF ain’t even trying. They played into Hamas’s strategy like fools. I use to have very little sympathy for the Palestinians. Electing a government that calls for the destruction of Israel was a bone head move but it doesn’t give Israel the right to toss humanity out the window.
The IDF doesn't care because they know like it or not America has no choice. You start raising Cain for Bibi, he will probably start leaning closer toward China or India. India, especially. India is pro-Israel, through and through,
Hard to do worse than the IDF in terms of social media optics.
I know they're both counterterrorism operations against an invading power, but Kursk is about 100 times less dense than Gaza and isn't filled to the brim with combatants like Gaza is.
Well there were a lot more troops in Gaza and it's a lot more dense
You totally missed it. Pillage requires REMOVAL of the groceries. Nothing in these "skits" show products leaving the supermarket. I guess pouring food over your face onto the floor might qualify but this does not meet the definition of pillage (no violence seen either).
This. The first video - unless there's more that isn't here - shows a man in uniform pushing a cart of groceries in a grocery store, presumably the same store the groceries came from. At no stage does he attempt to leave, he hasn't even got to the door/till. He also gets passed by another customer, without any apparent trepidation on their part. He might well not even have finished picking stuff. Where I'm from, we call this "shopping" - there's precisely zero indication that he is stealing the goods, or that he intends to.
In the second video they're obviously messing around, the empty boxes are obvious. The apparent waste of M&M's (or local equivalent) at the end, might count, assuming they weren't already spilt and/or got paid for at some point.
@@jonathanj8303 Not only that but on the second video, maybe the store employees have evacuated and the store is not opening. Is it really OK to let food get spoiled, just because it might be seen as looting? So even if they took groceries... I'd say this isn't evidence of looting.
YEah, but these videos create a lot of embarassment for Kyiv, and also will create a lot of legal problems for Ukrainian millitary occupation authorities too. Still.... who knows.
@@Morrodin182 in the second, I can't speak to "maybe", because I simply don't know, and the video is all the context we have.
But I see them leave with nothing, nor do they apparently pocket anything etc, and most of the skit involves empty boxes. So the only thing I can safely say is no longer available to its (presumed) former owners is the candy. Assuming it wasn't either already wasted or somehow paid for. And even that really needs more context to know.
Without any other info, it seems to be just the next level of Google Maps place reviews for shits and giggles ... But for Tiktok
This is a hard one, because when fighting an enemy that doesn't follow any of the articles of the Geneva Convention its hard to feel stealing some food is truly a heinous crime. At the same time I agree it gives a bad image that can be exploited for propaganda by Russia. That said, if my family was subjected to Russian bombings, if people I loved were brutally raped and killed by Russian soldiers (which has been well documented and proven over the course of the war). I truly don't think I'd care in the slightest about a Russian store not being paid for items taken, especially when leaving them money would in turn fund the very government that is killing my own people.
Yeah, it definitely isnt morally black and white easy. But in the best of worlds one should try to be the better part and not sink to that level. Not that it would be easy at all of course.
It's not a moral question at all they are looting what's the problem in saying that does it somehow make the Russians stronger to admit that Ukraine commits the same minor violations that every Army commits to me trying to find all these caveats to always be 100% on the Ukrainian side of every argument just makes you look like an unserious person yeah they took some food from a grocery store is that legal probably not does it really change anything no move on
I don't think Russian propaganda needs something like this. They have spread a lot of b******* without any evidence for decades... Before this video Ukrainian soldiers showed some videos where locals took goods from the store and asked them what they were doing. Locals answered that they need food and take it from the store.
American soldiers pillaged Sadam's palace in Baghdad. It was also the first place some got to rake a shower in 3 weeks
I worked with a guy who was involved in that. He said the Americans were taking absolutely everything. Nice guy, he ended up working at Buckingham palace as a Queens guard. But to be fair to the Ukrainians, they have been kicked around a lot, can understand this
@@jake90052 I can understand it, but still.
Probably first time anybody took a shower in that shack
It's a war crime like jaywalking is a crime.
100%
Literally
Did the products actually leave the store? May have been a weird comedy skit by few troops.
Ukraine doesn't have the resources to play nicer than their invaders, even though in most cases they still do.
which is also funny because russian pows in ukranian hands get fed better than when they were fighting
@@VeryEpicGoose when they don't get shot
@@cplcabs Bot
@@cplcabs
They don't get shot.
@@bobfg3130 except they do, even the BBC has shown that.
Is Ruasia leaving receipts for all the homes they destroyed?
You are smart! To justify one abomination with another is a sign of the highest wisdom. It is obvious that if someone has committed a crime, then another person also has the right to commit a crime. Only really stupid people do not understand this.
@@andreykaminskiy2391 hes not saying its right for ukraine to not leave receipts hes just saying is russia doing it for everything they've destroyed or looted
@@officerjester94 So what?
@@andreykaminskiy2391 so you're ok with russia doing it? thats what im picking up here
@@officerjester94 If I don't try to justify Ukrainian robbers, then I'm going to justify Russian robbers? Do you honestly think I'm obligated to justify the crimes of either side of the conflict? You need some help from a specialist, buddy.
That bigger patch on the dingus in the first video, that's the Freedom faction patch from STALKER series...
During the American Civil War the U.S. Army would issue receipts after requisitioning supplies from Southerners. But to be paid after the war the civilians had to prove they were pro-Unionists. The Confederates did the same thing during the Gettysburg campaign but paid immediately in Confederate script which was almost useless.
Yeah, supplies FROM Southerners. Key difference here. Abandoned chain stores are a different beast.
I really wish the US didn't have a history of being so awful. Pillaging is a war crime the founders saw so much of that it made it into our constitution.
@@arthurmoore9488That was war for centuries before and after.
@@Lobsterwithinternet and you wonder why women pick the bear
@@waefawawrgaw2835 Because they never had to deal with a bear.
You forgot to mention the other side of the coin. This video is a morale boost for Ukrainians when they see their soldiers in enemy territory feeling safe enough to record a skit.
The mere fact that they still keep ability to make fun of this likely common war-shopping routine earns the Ukrainians only more sympathy .. I see it as the Good Soldier Svejk kinda spirit ..
.. He also forgot to leave a link to the clip I seem to have hard time digging it out ..
so ukrainians are ok with pillaging Russia?
and loot
@@cplcabs Damn bot. Go on get!
@@gratefulfrisko8645 not a bot, just a realist.
I believe the patch you didn't identify is the symbol for freedom faction in the STALKER series (eastern european Fallout equivalent)
Taking food is one thing taking toilets and washing machines is totally different!!
Don't forget children
It's a Ukrainian super market now
The first video just shows a guy shopping. It doesn't show him leaving without paying or anything like that.
Russians: Loot Cash and Alcohol
Ukrainians: Loot Soda and Candy.
First video , soda does not come is square bottles . whiskey does.
@@ivanmonahhov2314 middle of nowhere in ruzzia? whiskey? lol. funny guy lol. boyaroshnik at best. nobody can afford whiskey there
@@ricardas16are you smoothbrained? you can find whiskey at any god forsaken village in Russia
@@ricardas16 bot
@@ivanmonahhov2314these are not whiskey bottles. Looks like local soda bottles (Черноголовка Кола)
Pillaging is taking something from someone. Looting is taking something with its owner unreachable. So looting groceries is not pillaging
It may not be your everyday definition but I believe the term pillaging covers the taking of anything in the Geneva conventions, including foods.
If it were Russian soldiers pillaging then it would be definetly wrong. But Ukrainians can pillage? Interesting Ryan.
Looting? Nah they're just staffing the abandoned supermarket so that it may continue to open to russian public in said neighborhood.
"We left a receipt, but it was destroyed by an Iskander missile."
I don't think your experiences in Iraq war are too relevant to this one. Anything left in that store will either be looted by someone, go to waste, or be destroyed by artillery. Just leaving food there is nonsensical. If it wasn't abandoned that'd be different, though what currency would they even use to pay people with?
US dollars 😁
Arguably, the a only story here is about potential lack of discipline or more likely, bad optics.
@@Arcaryon Yeah that was the big take away. Makes them look bad not because of the legality but because why are they doing the skit during an invasion
@@Calebe428 Why wouldn't they do a skit during an invasion?
@@thearpox7873 Because someone COULD theoretically figure out where that store is, thus giving away your position. Well, that and it gives the Russian sophists like Tucker Carlson something to use as propaganda.
We do not see the soldiers leaving the shop with or without any goods.
Writing an IOY note would be sufficient for it not beeing a crime.
If you're hungry you're hungry.
Is it still considered pillaging if it’s not a civilian grocery store? I know my local navy base has a grocery store on base. If it’s a government store I say it’s fair game.
When Russia invaded Ukraine we saw tragedy, tears, shock. When I saw reports Ukraine had entered Russia they showed Russians at the park, laughing, kids playing on a beach, not a care in the world. Ukraine isn’t going after civilians. I just don’t see them purposely stealing food from a grocery store if the public needed it.
I have seen many videos showing that Russian citizens and soldiers looting Russian stores and homes in Russia recently. I am a Russian and I was borne in the Braynsk oblast (it's next to Kursk oblast). So I understand what they say on the videos when I see them. And I understand why local Russian loot: it's psyche, and its total deprivation the Putinism has got us to -- the wealthy were able to run East on their automobiles, while regular people could not because the Russian state did not thing to evacuate the regular people, and the regular people live mostly below the poverty line in Russia. So now they use this chance to compensate.
is your toilet inside the house or outside the house?
@@paddington1670 my own? I moved to live in Moscow (as most young ambitious guys do). Big cities have toilets inside their apartments and houses in Russia, but in my home town half of the households had them outside. Note that western Russia is better compared to other parts of Russia. Bryansk is a city, not a town. Remember that Russia is one city county; Moscow. And not the entire Moscow, but downtown Moscow only.
Am I mistaken, but does this clip also show no evidence of anything being actually taken away from those supermarkets?
All I see there is a group of boys having some silly fun
I wouldn't call that a war crime
You know there is video of the Russian civilians looting the same store right?
Really? Do you have a link?
They dont have supplies for obvious reasons. If the Ukrainian army has no supplies, it goes to a total different area. Also the civilians would not be held accounable by the geneva conventions and actually. by no one, because there is no real authotity there, so long ukrainie hasnt established an administration.
And...?
@@olivierl2172 This means that the store already was in disarray and the 'items on the ground' cannot be used to prove misconduct by Ukrainian soldiers.
The patch from video #1 with wolfs head on it is an emblem of the 'Воля' ('Freedom') faction from the video game series S.T.A.L.K.E.R.
in ww2 Patton told my grandfather they were going to have to live off the land , that meant they would take their food from the Germans and thats what they did
The US armed forces were probably one of the best-supplied armies in general terms at that point in the war.
@@SusCalvin the tip of Patton's spearhead was not ,look it up
@@SusCalvin they might be best supplied, but can the Chain catch the Head... pretty sure that was the case at the start of the Europe campaign, only when they got near to Germany did it stabilized...
@@SusCalvin Until the area behind the beaches of Normandy turned into a mud-pit and the supply trucks couldn't get inland to supply the frontline.
The second video at the checkout is mostly empty boxes. Not all but mostly.
Did the troops keep the stuff they were playing with in that store? If not then no they were not pillaging.
Any human subjected to field army food during war will loot a Pepsi and Slim Jims.
Was just thinking the same. I mean can I at least get a bottle of water?
that second video is kinds funny with the guy imitating the sound of the register
and it doesn't win hearts and minds with the locals, in fact, it probably ticks them off. Don't do it. A fair number of residents have stayed.
I mean... Russia still owes them for the washing machines...
If somebody steals your car will you be stealing your neighbour's because someone owes you your car?
Russian civilians are not the Russian army, which is poorly supplied, run by troglodytes, and poorly trained.
honestly i dont give a fuck if they are grabbing some food. better than some bs MRE.
@@dokedoker3340 once you stop having them on NATO life support and actually seriously support them maybe I'll consider calling them out on something this minor.
@@ghosthunter0950 theres other orgs that also fund Ukraine's on supplies and drones, what's your point?
@@just_a_casual_viewer I think the point is give them what they need or shut up.
@@3xceIIent and that's not what they're doing? 😐
Goes to show not a single person knows what the Svoboda (Freedom) faction is from the UKRAINIAN VIDEO GAME- STALKER: SOC, Clear Sky or COP
"Sudzha" is like "sudja" with j like in "jazz".
the power is off, the store is abandoned. if the food isnt taken, then it will just rot. and why would food rot if it could be used to feed our boys?
My answer: "Because guys don't need food and their actions look like shit.")))
It's not such a complicated answer, you could figure it out yourself, buddy.
The law doesn't care about this kind of thing.
What did the Russian soldiers do when they invided Ukraine
Even I can see without translation they were messing around Discipline may be an issue here but pillage nah.
It'd be a discipline issue if they were soldiers on duty. They're most likely on break.
@@thearpox7873 discipline does not stop applying when you're off duty/on break or on leave etc.
that statement is not an expression of opinion in regards to the video. it is about the expectation of conduct present in any formal military.
of course not all militaries are equal in such matters. the town of Bucha will tell that tale for decades.
Wilful ignorance on your part. If it was Russians you'd call it war crimes.
@@vaclovasverikaitis4172 The russians almost certainly did this, as well as massacring civilians.
@@raifsevrence Of course. Even off duty, soldiers should carry themselves appropriately. Which they do here. Ergo, this is not a discipline problem. To paraphrase you, different militaries have different regulations, not everyone has to be like US to excel.
Ukrainian journalists have interviewed residents of Sudzha (close enough to pronounce like saying "sued ya" all run together like "soo-jya") who've said that the Ukrainian soldiers are bringing them food.
Is it "pillaging" if soldiers are taking it from the grocery store to the local population, or is it "commandeering" for the military governance of the local populace?
Granted, there should be receipts left either way.
But as others have also pointed out: these soldiers were videoed essentially moving rubble in a bombed out store.
They weren't shown taking or even destroying anything (that I noticed anyway, and there may be more of the video that I haven't seen, of course).
So the video presented here doesn't actually show any evidence of pillaging occurring, though if the soldiers did take stuff for themselves then that's what they did.
But when it comes to "crimes" we don't prove "were or weren't": we only prove "were", which didn't happen here.
A semantic quibble to the commentariat, but an important distinction legally!
Anhyhow, thanks for the video!
Out Cold War plans had some discussions about how a civilian authority under a foreign (Soviet) occupational government would need to work.
Some municipal services like water, the regional hospital, power etc would hopefully continue. The municipality council would have to form some working relation with a Soviet officer, and try to keep things in their hands.
at least Ukraine is providing humanitarian aid. So even if they take food from a market, the locals won't starve.
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA you are a funny guy.
Вам лгут, а вы верите. 😂 Всё то, что вы написали это ложь.
@@ТатьянаБелозерова-и2э Это не ложь.
@@ТатьянаБелозерова-и2э поедь туда и проверь, на рабсиянских зомбоящиках уже всех местных украинцы живьем сьели, да?)
@@ТатьянаБелозерова-и2э Ты понял что сказал?
That's not looting. Look like they playing around. They are not steeling washing machine, TV, toilet, sink, or anything valuable like the Russian.
Children. Russia even stole the god damned children.
Copium. They're taking food and dumping it on the floor. As the good guys they need to hold themselves to a higher moral standard.
You left the most egregious part that russia even looted children......
I didn’t see anyone leaving the store with any goods. Looks like they were just rearranging the inventory which isn’t looting.
Pure copium. They're dumping food on the floor.
They were running the items through the cash register scanner, and it was beeping, which means it was creating a receipt, either intentional or not by the soldiers.
Bruh, the soldier was making a beeping noise with his mouth lol
I did not see any product go out the door. A soldier putting stuff in the cart, and (stupidly) filming his face.
And, two soldiers filming stuff at the check out register, (nothing’s cash anymore) and making a mess. But no inventory going out the door.
yeah.....lets be real, we all know in reality the store was stripped of everything.
You forgot to mention that the first looters in Sudja were the citizens of the town
That doesn't justify anything.
The patch is "Volia" from game called S.T.A.L.K.E.R.
I really doubt Ukrainian prosecutors care about troops "liberating" groceries.
Warcrimes are prosecuted by international courts.
I saw a hilarious video of some Ukranian's coming across some Russians who decided to stay behind, pushing carts of stuff they looted from neighbors who had evacuated.
Why would they film themselves, if they were looting?
One thing you may not have caught in the second video... The soldier at the register was "scanning" what appeared to be EMPTY boxes, and also they was no video of them actually removing ANYTHING from the store.
you can see the guy shoveling product in his mouth so that's extraordinary copium there
@@lavabeard5939 Sure, Dumping a few itenms out and throwing EMPTY boxes around is the same as taking everything off the shelves.. Copium deez nutz
@@joeschmoe9154 stealing is stealing, plus they are vandalizing. I don't see why you feel the need to deny it. it's not particularly heinous so why lie and misrepresent?
@@lavabeard5939- No matter how trivial, the Ruskis will use it to make sweeping statements about them “looting and vandalising”. That’s how propaganda works.
@@sirrathersplendid4825 russia will use it as propaganda, so you should deny it? it happened though, and that's hypocritical.
They left a barter note.
"Since you killed my grandmother and stole her wash machine I took some food to eat because I was hungry defeating you"
The morale patch on the guy in the first video is from a faction called "freedom" in the Ukrainian video game stalker
Russians beheading PoWs but you have found stupid video from supermarket to talk about, it's pathetic to compare those two as a war crime !
No its fair to let people know that pillage is a war crime. As is wanton destruction of private property.
@@zedeyejoe Rich coming from someone that didn't bat an eye when Russians stepped in Ukraine 😂
The louder they whine about these videos the further do they prove your point
Not like they have any better proof about Ukrainian "war crimes" so they have to find at least some excuses 😂
He did not make the videos go viral….
That's a STALKER patch for the Freedom faction.
I knew I wasn't losing my mind when I saw the patch
correct, a lot of those units wear stalker patches, its for moral mostly
ive seen a ton of stalker patches, shit kinda hits close to home cus i love the games so much lol, just a bunch of dudes similar to me on the other side of the planet in a shitty situation
@@cIoudbankThey also wear it in the creator's honor. The creator of the series got killed while defending Bakhmut in 2022
In the whole video you made only one true statement at (6:06): you barely understand what you are speaking about.