Oooooh baby, I've been waiting for this one... I was expecting the RAW GM radar and a wait for DBS1/2. Looks like you've nailed it early. Even included the Doppler Offset. Much love going into the Viper and we LOVE it. Awesome job, ED!
As a former Back Seater using a Ground Mapping Radar, this upgrade makes me extremely happy :-) Can't wait to get into this :-) Thanks Wags and Eagle Dynamics, excellent work.
Was just thinking the exact same thing. Never hear anything mentioned about DCS except by word of mouth, and yet they are at the top of their field and prolific by any measure. The more time goes on, the more impressed I am.
@@ziljanvega3879 DCS is a tiny market. X-Plane has like 3-4x the userbase. MSFS is more than an order of magnitude larger. They are all very different games but you don't hear about DCS much because it's a tiny userbase.
This is the first time I've ever seen synthetic aperture radar in a simulator. This is absolutely incredible. Very, very realistic. The only thing I've noticed that isn't in the sim is the speckling (perhaps aircraft use noise reduction to remove that) and the characteristic "bloom" effect that's inherent to sharp cornered objects when imaged by SAR
@@MONARCH1985 The AN/APG 68 has SAR capabilities for ground radar. Multiple sources and available literature on the matter states this. I am in no way an expert in this, but researching the equipment used in declassified literature supports that it is SAR.
I know this is VERY old and you guys probably figured this out already, but this is not SAR since the version of the Viper + AN/APG-68 we have does not get it, a later version did however so maybe we will eventually get it!
NOTE 1. As always, these videos provide a preview of an upcoming feature to assist you in understanding a new feature. Later, it is quite possible that the feature will change, and the feature functionality has changed. As much as I’d like to, I lack the time re-record these videos. NOTE 2. Since this video was created, you can now select the Up and Down range arrows to manually adjust range without needing to select MAN at OSB 2.
I think my radar is broken then as it doesnt work like that. I would love to know what I'm doing wrong. Sometimes it puts a diamond there, sometimes an empty box, then it un locks itself and screen goes black again.
Hey Wags, thanks for the vid. If I'm not mistaken the azimuth scan speed has been adjusted since this video and I've gotten the hang of that. However when in DBS1 or 2 and I adjust the range, it throws me back out to NORM mode and I have to hit Expand FOV to re-enter DBS view with the new zoom scale, is this intentional?
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I wonder why in the heck people dislike this video. Great job! Thanks for sharing!
Being on a limited budget, I had to agonize over which aircraft to buy. The F16 or the F18. I chose the F16 and at first I had buyers remorse. I kept seeing all the cool Hornet videos and carrier takeoffs and that awesomeness. Now with all the improvements and capabilities I am glad I chose the Viper. The Hornet is next, along with the Carrier Pack, but for now I am going to explore the Viper to the max and enjoy it. Thanks to guys like you explaining it so well, it makes the learning curve much less steep
i feel the same way, i will prob end up going with the a10 next since lots of the systems work almost identical on the a10, so i wont have the relearn 100% of the aircraft, only like 75%.
Wags (from Eagle Dynamics)… without wanting to sound gross, this video is by far the sexiest you’ve made to date! Thank you! I have been waiting and looking forward to this for SO long..!
I'm very much looking forward to this. It looks remarkably more usable than the hornet. Using the hornets AG Radar is watching your window wipers smudge bugs that have hit your windscreen. Apart from GMT and SEA mode the hornets AG is trash
Yea it's as if the Hornet only had the real beam mode more or less, and not the EGM thing that Wags is showing. I wonder whether that's true, or if it's tied to the fan/pen option thingy which, as far as I can tell, is not implemented yet.
You guys killing it lately with updates. All the F-16 updates make me want to learn the mudule suddenly, but but the AH-64D is coming so argh what to do ;D. Content wont be short in the next future. Also like that you put work into older systems and 3d models. I hope you guys will add some more easy options to make mission feel more alive. Like Civilian Planes automated without having to put every single one in by hand and generally tools to make airfields more alive. All about immerison ;). Love DCS so much. Ther should be more developers like ED BSG and CIG where the players can clearly feel the passion from the developers. Also at this point i wonder if Wags has more flight experience on different platforms then almost any other real pilot out there ;D. Apart from maybe having them really flown in reality but the systems and stuff its crazy.
We know what Wags has been doing all weekend then. Pretty fabulous looking rendering of a sophisticated piece of equipment, impressive work, and not just a pretty screen either, it's functional.
DBS2 is supposed to be worse than in the Hornet. It is just that the Hornet radar bugged to the point that worse tech looks better compared to the mess that is EXP3.
@@Frindleeguy no, the APG-73 on the C model Hornet and the APG-68v5 on the Block 50 both entered service in the late 80s/early 90s (1987 vs 1991 to be precise)
I wish there was a GPS aided Maverick. Would be awesome to attack somewhat close in range targets from above the clouds. I'll guess JDAMS and JSOW will have to do :D
a dynamic map with the ability to construct secret bases and airfields would add an interesting dimension to this feature. right now, all major target coordinates are open to both sides.
Nice implementation from ED , some clarification? in OSB #2 we have the AUTO label for A-G radar in Auto mode and MAN label when the Radar went into Manual mode: Range Scale Selection (OSB 2) An automatic range scale option is available in the following modes: GM, EXP, DBS1, DBS2, FTT, SEA, GMTI and GMTT. Auto range scale switching is enabled via OSB 2 which toggles AUTO or MAN. AUTO range scale switching, which is on by default, may be disabled by depressing OSB 2 or by manually changing the range scale. Any range scale change made via OSB will return the radar to manual (MAN) range scale operation So A-G Radar is in AUTO be default and has the label AUTO in OSB#2 and MAN form MANUAL A-G mode. in the video was vies versa think?
Man, I wish I could get my Viper A/G radar to work as good as yours. It use to, but lately it is just... weak. I just did a flight similar to this; about 20 miles off the coast, about 6.5K feet, 40 mile range, same gain and antenna elevation, but mine looks nothing like that. I don't know what has happened, but lately I just can't get an A/G radar to work right.
Great job and great video again! Why do the ground stuff look so blurry on the Caucasus map though? Is this a map issue or am I doing something wrong that everything is so blurry even in DBS2 and 10NM range setting? Also, when in DBS no matter if I use 60 or 10 deg azimuth for scanning, the radar scans at the same slow rate as if being in 60 deg. I appreciate any suggestion for these aspects. Thanks!
@@MattWagner Thanks for the answer Mr. Wagner! Copy..., so I shouldn't go straight for the target, but approach it from a higher angle in order to have a better quality signal using the ground radar?
What will the RWR pick up of either HighDef or FC3 Aircrafts should they pass between the F-16 and the ground while its in AG Mode? Will it ping the RWR like a Search Radar, or will not pick it up anything because the emissions are different?
Is it necessary to have A2G munitions on the F16 to access the GM radar? I just tried flying light, doing reconnaissance. The intention was to create a markpoint with a target and relay it to my wingman which was behind me and and higher with bombs, waiting for a Mk500. I couldn’t get snow plow on my TGP and I couldn’t get the GM radar on the FCR. A2A radar was working.
Holy resolution Batman!! ED is bringing it! That display is smashing the Hornets GM radar. But to be fair it’s probably modeled pretty accurately based on real world operability. ED is killing it and I don’t see anything else even coming close so be happy!!!
Question: Radar point on object then set to SPI. Will mavs slew to this point (handoff)? Or will I still need to transfer to the TGP (provided this SPI is now the SPI on the pod which it seems it should be)? If it slews automatically this could remove a step and make for easy ways to get "close" then fine tune the mavs. I'm also assuming mark points will come at some points then we could mark several targets before running in and unloading on them.
You don't have to "set to SPI". If the radar is SOI and tracking then it is SPI, fully automatic without any need to lock. No, Maverick automatic handoff is not possible with radar. In radar EO PRE operations you will press TMS up on radar and SOI will automatically change to WPN (or you can DMS aft SOI over instead) so you can finalize slew and track yourself. Missile is constantly slaved to SPI throughout.
F-16 is actually pilot friendly, unlike other airplanes :) I expect by leaving mavs in PRE slaved mode, they will automatically track to wherever you point the SOI cursor. Then you just switch SOI over, lock and shoot.
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- Wags
Heresy!
@@CakePrincessCelestia viper is vibing and slam is slamming
Like the AIM9 is aiming
"People die if they are killed"
@@jarlevanlandeghem8595 xDD
Oooooh baby, I've been waiting for this one... I was expecting the RAW GM radar and a wait for DBS1/2. Looks like you've nailed it early. Even included the Doppler Offset. Much love going into the Viper and we LOVE it. Awesome job, ED!
I don't even fly the Viper, I just like hearing Wags talk about the new systems and features
He’s a superb communicator.
That is insane. Great stuff.
Dcs is looking better and better, completely different from when I started 7 years ago. Can’t wait for the future.
And more demanding for the PC unfortunately
@@fonesrphunny7242 Exactly this.
Oh my god, i can't believe i lived long enough to see this.
You will continue to live a long time.
@@idnintel We hope so
how are you rn?
My writing skills improved so much just by commenting how cool these updates are .... Loving it
Certainly feels like Christmas has come early this year! Wohooo! :) Thanks Mags and ED!
As a former Back Seater using a Ground Mapping Radar, this upgrade makes me extremely happy :-) Can't wait to get into this :-) Thanks Wags and Eagle Dynamics, excellent work.
I'm glad that the 16 is getting a lot of attention lately.
Allegedly :P (inside joke)
whenever I see you demonstrate EXP modes (Hornet or here), I am astonished how easy you make it seem. Great video!
The f16 updates just keep on coming :)
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This company don't get enough credit from the gaming industry. ED should be winning all types of gaming awards. Bravo ED bravo.
Was just thinking the exact same thing. Never hear anything mentioned about DCS except by word of mouth, and yet they are at the top of their field and prolific by any measure. The more time goes on, the more impressed I am.
@@ziljanvega3879 DCS is a tiny market. X-Plane has like 3-4x the userbase. MSFS is more than an order of magnitude larger. They are all very different games but you don't hear about DCS much because it's a tiny userbase.
I like his demos he makes it easy to follow and understand.
I audibly gasped when that first sweet crisp image came up. I’m shocked how detailed the image can get!
I know right? I wish the Hornet's AG radar gave that good a picture.
@@agostonbazmajer1100 I wasn't doubting the accuracy of the Hornet's radar. I just wish it was as good as this! :)
From the poeple I know, This is FAR from the truth. F-16 and F-18.
They never use it because it sucks
@@agostonbazmajer1100 Hornet's radar is better at finding ships, at least for now
Beautiful guys... the Viper deserves the attention you are giving it.. thanks
Awesome! I'm impressed by how much you can zoom in with the DBS modes!
This is the first time I've ever seen synthetic aperture radar in a simulator. This is absolutely incredible. Very, very realistic. The only thing I've noticed that isn't in the sim is the speckling (perhaps aircraft use noise reduction to remove that) and the characteristic "bloom" effect that's inherent to sharp cornered objects when imaged by SAR
This isn't SAR. Very different application and implementation
@@MONARCH1985 The AN/APG 68 has SAR capabilities for ground radar. Multiple sources and available literature on the matter states this. I am in no way an expert in this, but researching the equipment used in declassified literature supports that it is SAR.
@@awcleve can you link these sources? I’m interested in reading
I know this is VERY old and you guys probably figured this out already, but this is not SAR since the version of the Viper + AN/APG-68 we have does not get it, a later version did however so maybe we will eventually get it!
Once we get far enough to get such late aircraft, possibly wait till 2040 lol?
I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS FOR SO LONG! THANK YOU WAGS
NOTE 1. As always, these videos provide a preview of an upcoming feature to assist you in understanding a new feature. Later, it is quite possible that the feature will change, and the feature functionality has changed. As much as I’d like to, I lack the time re-record these videos.
NOTE 2. Since this video was created, you can now select the Up and Down range arrows to manually adjust range without needing to select MAN at OSB 2.
I think my radar is broken then as it doesnt work like that. I would love to know what I'm doing wrong. Sometimes it puts a diamond there, sometimes an empty box, then it un locks itself and screen goes black again.
Hey Wags, thanks for the vid.
If I'm not mistaken the azimuth scan speed has been adjusted since this video and I've gotten the hang of that.
However when in DBS1 or 2 and I adjust the range, it throws me back out to NORM mode and I have to hit Expand FOV to re-enter DBS view with the new zoom scale, is this intentional?
I wonder why in the heck people dislike this video.
Great job! Thanks for sharing!
Let's go ED team!!! Love the updates coming out and can't wait to see your continued efforts!
Being on a limited budget, I had to agonize over which aircraft to buy. The F16 or the F18. I chose the F16 and at first I had buyers remorse. I kept seeing all the cool Hornet videos and carrier takeoffs and that awesomeness. Now with all the improvements and capabilities I am glad I chose the Viper. The Hornet is next, along with the Carrier Pack, but for now I am going to explore the Viper to the max and enjoy it. Thanks to guys like you explaining it so well, it makes the learning curve much less steep
i feel the same way, i will prob end up going with the a10 next since lots of the systems work almost identical on the a10, so i wont have the relearn 100% of the aircraft, only like 75%.
So hyped!!! Been waiting for this since the Viper was announced!
With HSI, Bullseye, and A2G radar, the Viper is feeling a lot better. Just isn't the same plane without those.
Thats incredible, I've read books on various radar types and this is a great supplement to it, especially the radar shawdows and DBS
Our Viper is getting alive! Thank you very much!
Looking forward to the HTS and HAD videos! 👍
BN just said they aren’t coming this month 😔
@@augiehicks4588 why am I not surprised.
Wags (from Eagle Dynamics)… without wanting to sound gross, this video is by far the sexiest you’ve made to date!
Thank you! I have been waiting and looking forward to this for SO long..!
Yeeeesss, its 4:45AM BUT I WAS WAITING SOOOO LONG THANKS SOOO MUCH.
Alright! Finally getting to the good stuff in the Viper! Love it! Thank you guys, you all work so hard so we can enjoy! Awesome! It looks great!
Brilliant work. The best depiction of AG radar I have ever seen.
I'm very much looking forward to this. It looks remarkably more usable than the hornet. Using the hornets AG Radar is watching your window wipers smudge bugs that have hit your windscreen. Apart from GMT and SEA mode the hornets AG is trash
Yea AG hornet map is trash
Yea it's as if the Hornet only had the real beam mode more or less, and not the EGM thing that Wags is showing. I wonder whether that's true, or if it's tied to the fan/pen option thingy which, as far as I can tell, is not implemented yet.
Ok this is huge ! I cannot wait the HAD video
I am so happy to know the Viper is getting a truckload of improvements and adds. Good work ED!
You guys killing it lately with updates. All the F-16 updates make me want to learn the mudule suddenly, but but the AH-64D is coming so argh what to do ;D. Content wont be short in the next future. Also like that you put work into older systems and 3d models. I hope you guys will add some more easy options to make mission feel more alive. Like Civilian Planes automated without having to put every single one in by hand and generally tools to make airfields more alive. All about immerison ;). Love DCS so much. Ther should be more developers like ED BSG and CIG where the players can clearly feel the passion from the developers.
Also at this point i wonder if Wags has more flight experience on different platforms then almost any other real pilot out there ;D. Apart from maybe having them really flown in reality but the systems and stuff its crazy.
Apache is 2 months away, plenty of time to pass with F-16. It's what I've been doing latelly, lol.
@@fonesrphunny7242 You focus only on negativ things it seem. there is way more good then bad.
“And before I let you go” gosh I can’t wait for the lecture to be over so I can go play some dcs..
The bell doesn't dismiss you, Mr. Wagner does.
@@Eihort Exactly.
Incredible attention to details! Can't wait for it all to be fully implemented. Congrats ED!
Wow! Look at that Radar resolution!
Yes. Looking better than in the hornet I think.
Just awesome. I really would like to see the team of ED working on such things. Just incredible amount of work!
We know what Wags has been doing all weekend then. Pretty fabulous looking rendering of a sophisticated piece of equipment, impressive work, and not just a pretty screen either, it's functional.
HOLY COW!!!! IT's happening!!! OBS2, flash back to 15 year old me playing Falcon 4.0, I can't wait.
Allied Force lives... Like old times.
(Ramp Start anyone?)
Thanks for info Wags! I am just starting to play with F-16 radar...and this helped!
This pace is relentless! New content everyday!
Glad much needed attention to the F-16 is here.
Excellent!
Can't wait to see ground moving targets on that baby, and light them up!
Absolutely awesome! Love the grey scale radar mapping as well!
Is that a new island for Marianas at the beginning?
Yes
good eye, I thought so too!
You lost me when you said "Wags here....." lol...just mind blowing ED technology...KUDOS to the ED TEAM..
Wags: *Goes to DBS2*
Me, having only flown the F-18C: _Witchcraft_
DBS2 is supposed to be worse than in the Hornet.
It is just that the Hornet radar bugged to the point that worse tech looks better compared to the mess that is EXP3.
@@alassadgaming6111 What makes you say that? Isn't the 18c like 30 years older than the block 50?
@@Frindleeguy no, the APG-73 on the C model Hornet and the APG-68v5 on the Block 50 both entered service in the late 80s/early 90s (1987 vs 1991 to be precise)
@@oppotato5440 And the hornet was designed for strike while the viper’s AG radar role is more or less secondary
@@Frindleeguy SAR technology is much better than DBS. Thats why.
Fantastic!!! So pumped for this in the Viper.
This will be good for you our Liberation campaign. We often have bad weather or just a bunch of clouds over the AO.
How are these screens so bright during the day? That is what caught my interest...
You can adjust them.
Thank you for the great video Matt!
Also, Radar GPS attacks thru clouds... Boom!
I wish there was a GPS aided Maverick. Would be awesome to attack somewhat close in range targets from above the clouds. I'll guess JDAMS and JSOW will have to do :D
yes! finally! AG radar! ty for the video as always wags!
@ 7:37 for me it keeps resetting back to "norm" when I try to zoom with manual mode. also I can't get the azimuth to change.
Me too. As usual nothing is working. So now what? Waiting for another update?
This is absolutely amazing! Can't wait to try it out.
This looks really good, Matt. Very interested to see what the guys at Razbam can do to build on this for their F-15E module.
Glorious times are ahead my friends!
Glad to see all the F-16C love ♡
I used to work on the C model. It is an amazing aircraft.
a dynamic map with the ability to construct secret bases and airfields would add an interesting dimension to this feature. right now, all major target coordinates are open to both sides.
Yeh! Awesome work ED Crew! Applause please!
Wow that’s incredible ! Fantastic work !
What a time to be alive
Holy crap this looks cool! I can't wait to give this a go!
oh boy I'm excited for this, more so than the apache!
Talk like that might get you a visit with the folks in white lab coats…
@@jed70 k
@@theflyinggasmask to be clear, I was joking :)
Nice implementation from ED , some clarification? in OSB #2 we have the AUTO label for A-G radar in Auto mode and MAN label when the Radar went into Manual mode: Range Scale Selection (OSB 2)
An automatic range scale option is available in the following modes: GM, EXP, DBS1, DBS2, FTT, SEA, GMTI and GMTT.
Auto range scale switching is enabled via OSB 2 which toggles AUTO or MAN. AUTO range scale switching, which is on
by default, may be disabled by depressing OSB 2 or by manually changing the range scale. Any range scale change
made via OSB will return the radar to manual (MAN) range scale operation So A-G Radar is in AUTO be default and has the label AUTO in OSB#2 and MAN form MANUAL A-G mode. in the video was vies versa think?
That’s what I’ve been waiting for baby !!!
Awesome Video Matt! 👍
Man, I wish I could get my Viper A/G radar to work as good as yours. It use to, but lately it is just... weak. I just did a flight similar to this; about 20 miles off the coast, about 6.5K feet, 40 mile range, same gain and antenna elevation, but mine looks nothing like that. I don't know what has happened, but lately I just can't get an A/G radar to work right.
what a killer machine the is become, again !
@5:25 you mention radar shadows, but in the image the shadows on the mountains seem to be facing the radar unless that is an illusion.
No, the shadows are on the back side of the elevation.
dang, this map looks great
side note, those islands are a work of Art.
When are we going to get markpoints?
Gettin' there! Nice work guys :)
HOLY SHIT! Yes Wags, we "enjoyed the video"
Wow, that is really impressive work.
So much great stuff!! LOVE IT!
Sweet, looking forward to it.
What's the island in the beginning of the video?
Coming for Marianas.
@@MattWagner
oooh nice. I presume that's Anatahan and Sarigan
Keep up the great work, guys!
So looking forward to this feature
i am buying the f16 so this was very helpful
Thank you for these videos, Matt! Is there an estimate on when we will be getting the HTS pod for the viper? Thanks!
Great job and great video again!
Why do the ground stuff look so blurry on the Caucasus map though? Is this a map issue or am I doing something wrong that everything is so blurry even in DBS2 and 10NM range setting? Also, when in DBS no matter if I use 60 or 10 deg azimuth for scanning, the radar scans at the same slow rate as if being in 60 deg.
I appreciate any suggestion for these aspects. Thanks!
You are probably not offsetting the target enough to provide enough squint angle.
@@MattWagner
Thanks for the answer Mr. Wagner! Copy..., so I shouldn't go straight for the target, but approach it from a higher angle in order to have a better quality signal using the ground radar?
So close to getting that terrain following...
Nice! Can't wait for this.
Cant get it nowhere near that level of detail unfornatly, i have no clue what I am doing wrong. The azimuz does nothing for me in OBS1 and 2..
What will the RWR pick up of either HighDef or FC3 Aircrafts should they pass between the F-16 and the ground while its in AG Mode? Will it ping the RWR like a Search Radar, or will not pick it up anything because the emissions are different?
Is it necessary to have A2G munitions on the F16 to access the GM radar? I just tried flying light, doing reconnaissance. The intention was to create a markpoint with a target and relay it to my wingman which was behind me and and higher with bombs, waiting for a Mk500. I couldn’t get snow plow on my TGP and I couldn’t get the GM radar on the FCR. A2A radar was working.
Switch to NAV.
YASSSSSSS
What he said...
I mean that ground radar looks fruck'n amazing.
Finally made OVRD functional. My EMCON switch was starting to get overused lol.
so cool love it. so when are we going to see the ah-64 tutorials 🚁
Holy resolution Batman!! ED is bringing it! That display is smashing the Hornets GM radar. But to be fair it’s probably modeled pretty accurately based on real world operability. ED is killing it and I don’t see anything else even coming close so be happy!!!
If you mark a target will GPS guided bombs track to it? Or is there a way to make your mark a steerpoint?
IF had waypoint or markpoint on ground map and sea it would be cool to go through the process.
Wags: "and before I let you go..."
Me: no i dont have to go anywhere CONTINUE!!!
Will we see HTS in this update?
Question: Radar point on object then set to SPI. Will mavs slew to this point (handoff)? Or will I still need to transfer to the TGP (provided this SPI is now the SPI on the pod which it seems it should be)? If it slews automatically this could remove a step and make for easy ways to get "close" then fine tune the mavs. I'm also assuming mark points will come at some points then we could mark several targets before running in and unloading on them.
You don't have to "set to SPI". If the radar is SOI and tracking then it is SPI, fully automatic without any need to lock. No, Maverick automatic handoff is not possible with radar. In radar EO PRE operations you will press TMS up on radar and SOI will automatically change to WPN (or you can DMS aft SOI over instead) so you can finalize slew and track yourself. Missile is constantly slaved to SPI throughout.
F-16 is actually pilot friendly, unlike other airplanes :) I expect by leaving mavs in PRE slaved mode, they will automatically track to wherever you point the SOI cursor. Then you just switch SOI over, lock and shoot.