Head Graphene 360+ Extreme Tour vs Yonex VCORE 98 - TOPSPIN Comparison
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
- What’s up, everyone! Are you ready to find out which one of these rackets provides more topspin? Since I have all these demos with me I figured why not compare the VCORE 98 and the new Extreme Tour when it comes to generating topspin. If you want to buy either one of these frames, here are the links:
Head Graphene 360+ Extreme Tour: www.tennis-war...
VCORE 98: www.tennis-war...
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Finally a review where the youtuber can actually play decent tennis and test the rackets in an appropriate way lol.
Nice video man, I would choose Yonex probably but Head one looked decent aswell.
That's the goal!! Will be reviewing many more rackets 💪🏻
@@KaruesellHQ I have a question that is bothering me since some days ago. I use the 2017 Pure Strike 18x20. I love that stick, but wanted to increase the weight and swigweight a bit. Would you lead at 3 and 9 o clock? How much? I've never customized a racket before but wanted to give it a try. My idea is to increase SW to 335 or somewhat close (to emulate specs from a racket i loved from the past).
If you could review the new Pure Strike comparing it with other rackets with similar specs would be awesome.
PS; Definitely suscribed :D
He's former ATP, so decent is an understatement..
Lorenzo Musetti brought me here. ;D ...love your profound reviews that are based on YOUR IMPRESSIONS and not on the manufacturer's info. What I like the most is that you are able to connect the rackets characteristics to playing styles and technique. Additionally, you give COMPREHENSIBLE feedback the audience can easily follow.
why did you have a dampener on the yonex but not on the head? i hated the sound of the head but could have been much different with a dampener. also, were they strung with similar setups?
Spin or no spin, you just nailed it with the Yonex. Wish we had access to ball speed. Betcha those balls were 5-8mph faster and you still had plenty of topspin but access to the baseline. No doubt the head gave you more spin. That launch angle was at least 2-3ft higher.
I wish all tennis racquet reviews were like this - excellent video, keep up the great work.
It looked effortless with the Vcore to me.
Enjoying your reviews! The Yonex sounds a lot better - deeper and the head sounds very tinny. I would have to add a dampener to the head just to stop that sound. Would be interesting to see you do this on a PlaySight court to get the numbers to compare with your thoughts on the spin, pace etc. Just watching the head had more loop but were dropping short. The Yonex bit flatter but deeper. I would take consistent depth over safer net clearance that lands shorter. Curious to know what you play with when you are trying to play your best i.e. what racquet and customizations do you have? Perhaps you can do a vid on that. Thanks
It is so good to see the opinions of a high level player on youtube! I am subscribed! What are your opinions on using a smaller grip size to add spin as an amateur player? Would it encourage bad habits of getting too wristy through the shot, I have heard it can result in RSI injuries occurring more often, such as tennis elbow or wrist tendinitis.
I'm not sure about it causing injuries, would have to look it up. But my advice is just using the grip size that feels comfortable to you and not go by "would it add more topspin". Just use a grip size that everytime you palm the grip you feel like your grip (fh, bh, serve) is in the position you like and feel comfortable.
I hope it is ok if I chime in ... some peope choose smaller grip sizes for enhanced feel and switching grips more swiftly. That's totally fine because those guys don't have the tendency to choke the grip.
Some less advanced players tend to grab the grip forcefully in the heat of the battle and THAT'S WAY EASIER with a smaller grip size. In this case small grips become a problem.
In between shots, grab the racket like I held the mouse I saved from my cat this week and firmly at point of contact. After the rally take the racket in your non-dominant hand and shake out your arm occasionally for staying loose. Then smaller grips won't cause you any harm.
Really fascinating and exactly the kind of direct comparison you get so little of. Fantastic!
I've seen people getting seriously obnoxious amounts of rotation on their ball windscreen-wipering with the Yonex VCore Pro 310 :-D
Did you play the Vcore 98 in stock? Or did you add some weight?
This is how a review is done.Thanks a ton
The best way to compare rackets is to play with your own racket first and then try others...this will help you in making better judgements about rackets
Thanks for advice I tried demo speed mp first today but I should started with my own I did try mine out in between points
Hi Karue you said in another video you really likes the Extreme Tour and we’re considering switching to it, you don’t sound so keen on it now or is that just for topspin potential?
I think it is a great racket. Not for my style but definitely worth considering it
Great content! Much of what you say really strikes a positive and familiar chord as it relates to my tennis. Now will use your link to buy thru TW.
I have played with Vcore 98 for 3 years and really enjoying the newest version the most. However, I tend to tinker and tried out the new Ezone 98 & Head Extreme Tour recently. BOTH those rackets have same static weight, similar balance points and similar flex. However, they also both seem more maneuverable and as a result really helped me get more balls in play. I do feel like I have to swing out a bit more to get similar power.
I am now experiencing some shoulder pain. On spec the rackets seem just as arm friendly? Is it b/c the demo grips were a tad small and I was holding too tightly? It it b/c I am swinging too hard and straining arm as a result? Best analogy is if I throw a heavy baseball/football/soccer ball I have no discomfort, but sometimes have thrown a lighter weight ball such as Nerf, waffle-ball, foam ball and arm is sore afterwards?
This is odd because the swing weights, static weight, flex and balance are not that different, but perhaps the polarity of the rackets makes then swing faster?
I want to keep playing with the Extreme Tour but certainly don't want to be sidelined IF that is the root of arm strain. I know you like the NEW VCORE, but wonder and appreciate your thoughts!
Thanks again and keep the awesome content coming!!
Gabe, North Carolina, US
Great comparison. Consistent hits fed at you makes for more compelling visual argument
Friends, how can I leave the head 360 + Extreme Tour moderately similar to the yonex vcore 98? Would it be a good idea to add a few grams at 12 o'clock? Maybe five centimeters of lead at 3 and 6 too?
Would you recommend the head racquet to an advanced aggressive baseliner or are there other rackets you would recommend over the extreme?
Friends, I have tried different strings, tensions and everything on the head 360+ extreme tour. But something happens, it is difficult for me to accelerate the ball on the right side, since they are supposedly similar, I feel that when I played with Yonex vcore 98 I had a greater ability to accelerate the ball.
I assume this is due to the low swingweight of the extreme. On the other hand, my acceleration on the right is based on a lot of wrist with a heavier grip, I changed the factory grip for a lighter one, from 305 grams it started to weigh 301.
To lower the HL points and make it a racket with greater head acceleration, would it be an option to add 5.6 grams to the head of the racket? I listen to your advice. I want this racket to be like the yonex vcore of 2018.
I would appreciate your help.
Just curious, what strings did you have in each racquet, and at what tensions? Thanks!
Head lynx tour, 58 lbs, 16L
How does Extreme Tour compare to Ezone 98. Thanks mate.
Dude you had way more depth with vcore and despite the more ball rotation from extreme your ball from vcore felt heavier to me.......I would definitely choose vcore for tournament match plays. Lots of people comment that extreme tour also after adding lead it’s still low powered and more control oriented. Also i read comments that it lacks power on serves too. Vcore 98 has an excellent mix of power and control. It combines vcore pro with ezone. The only problem of vcore is lack of feel/ball connection........ but it’s pretty rock steady on stock form!! What string do you use in order to improve its lack of feel??
Well that is why I said in the video that for MY game the VCORE would be the better option. But when it comes purely generating topspin, the extreme was easier. I agree that the VCORE lacks some ball connection. I used the string I always use, head lynx tour
I also think you can play around with the string tension. I have the prev gen 360extreme Mp and I went down to tension to 48 as an experiment and it became a rocket launcher. Currently playing at 54lbs and it plays well. I guess dropping tension by 2lbs odd might help with more depth.
I do play with extreme spin though so the head works well for my game :). Very similar to pure aero which is my racket of choice but more arm friendly.
Hello! How is the Comparison to the newer Vcore 98? Thanks for your answer
How does the new extreme tour auxetic compare with the vcore 98 and the extreme tour 360?
What is the racket your opponent playing with? I like the hitting sound
In stock form which drives the ball better with spin?
Wow, I am a bit surprised coz I am using Yonex 98 currently and considering Head extreme tour.
How does the extreme tour compare to the core 98 in term of power? Some reviews say that the Extreme tour is really underpowered. Is that true?
Because the head size is 100 inches on the other models of the extreme. Thats huge differents
very good video, nice concept for the comparison with real drills. Thank you
Maybe go through the string type and tension next time. Nonetheless, great video! Such a smooth FH swing!
Head lynx tour, 58 lbs, 16L
i love that sound from the Head Raquet. just so crisp and bouncy
Needs a dampener.
Harry Liang for me it sound no nothing but muscle pain.. it’s to much vibrations, might cause not just tennis elbow..
Prefer the sound of the Yonex !!!
@@chuckfriebe843 totally, exactly what i thought
I know this is a an older video, but why do you even try non-Yonex racquets, since you’ve used them all your life?
All of Head's new "Tour" models, actually starting with the previous Graphene Touch line, are made to customize. If you hit with these frames without doing so, you are doing yourself a huge disservice. I have three of the Graphene Touch Tour Prestige. All of them were the same weight and balance. I put silicone in the handle and just 2 grams of lead at 12o'clock on each of them. The strung weight without the mods was 325 grams. Afterward, the racquets were 343 grams with a SW of 330. They are like butter and have plenty of plow through. Do yourself a favor and customize if you get the Head Extreme Tour 360+.
Thanks for the tip Chuck!
This review is not complete without the Babolat Pure Aero VS 2020, that will be a really popular raquect and is a direct competitor to these two.
This is what i am looking for head is my choice. Planning to move from prostaff 95
Did you try out the extreme pro allready?
What Apple Watch app are you using to generate this data?
Very good content! Can you make a comparison to the Babolat pure Aero VS, which has comparable stats?
Will try to get my hands on one
What string you use?
What racquet gives most topspin or slice without trying to break my wrist?
VCORE 98
@@KaruesellHQ more then pure areo or head extreme?
How does the Ezone 98 compared to the Extreme tour?
I need to check whats the difference in Yonex VCORE 98 and like ezone 98
Yonex sounds better, has a nice compact pop sound. It also generates good spin. Seems more versatile because sometimes you wanna plow through some shots to end the rally sooner and with the Yonex it looks like it does that better. VCore isn’t as “toppy” as the Extreme, but it generates good spin and good plow through for flat shots. I say VCore wins. Checks more marks. Not one dimensional
ET much better
I'm new to your channel, it's great guys keep up the good work !
Also what bike shorts are you wearing ?
*Nike
Good video. What strings and tensions did you use for the review?
Head lynx tour, 58 lbs
@@KaruesellHQ Thanks for the reply. Is that your favorite one? I am wondering what makes you use that Head lynx tour. How is that compared to Alu power?
When is the new vcore coming out?
Whats strings do you used?
How much does string tension affect spin?
Most reviews of the Head Extreme suggest adding weight to the hoop in order to improve feel and depth.
What grip size do you use?
epic strokes man! Your story as a player? I play the youtek IG Pro, loves love it! I play very flat and hard, any point in making the switch? Where do you play? looks sick
Top 30 ITF, played college tennis at UCLA and got to 370 ATP. And no need to switch if you love your racket stick to it! There are good options on the market for flat players tho
@@KaruesellHQ very impressive!!! Well mostly i loved thr new design on the extreme 😀 I have to stay with head since i love their grip pallet, yonex is Amazing bit struggle with their grip shape, same with babolat, thanks man
@@KaruesellHQ btw karue any tips on beefing up the extreme tour? Im not to fond of leadtape since they tend to come off, how do the Company s go about this ? The p1s and such
Ive heard the new 360+ prestige pro is a pretty great racket, and will probably play very similar to your current one
@@peterlappland you should clean your racket then dry it before applying lead tape, should help it last way longer
which is more comfortable?
i had tendonitis , so which one would be arm friendlier?
The VCORE 98
The Head Extreme is giving you much more lift over the net than the Yonex. Which frame is stiffer?
Yes it game me more lift but less plow through, bit of a trade off. They both have the same stiffness rating at 65 but the Extreme provided a bit more feedback at contact. VCORE was a bit more muted
@@KaruesellHQ Many thanks!
Dunlop cx 200 is a great racquet. It is worth you try it! Nice videos!!
Have you tried other rackets to compare it to
can you by any chance do a video about head sizes on Yonex rackets? One thing is to choose a racket within all their lines, choosing the right headsize is another. Thanks!
Hi! Thank you so much, I was looking at these racquets. Which one has more control?
I think the extreme has more control
What strings you used for the review?
Head lynx tour
@@KaruesellHQ thanks for the reply , love ur videos! You currently using ur custom speed or Ezone 98?
Will you ever review the head lynx tour string?
One more pro for the vcore. Plow means stability which translates to better volleys and returns
Yep all around, in stock form, VCORE is a better racket. But properly customized the Extreme could be a very solid all court frame
Nice video as always! My new vcore 95 slipped out of hand while serving and cracked.. Considering a new racket.. Confused between vcore 95 and vcore 98
Both great rackets
@@KaruesellHQ have u ever tried Wilson blade 98 16x19? How does it compare to Head Extreme Tour?
And the data to compare the rpm, tracked by your applewatch...?
Tks,
It was my first time using the data and I didn't really think it was accurate so I decided not to use it. Not that the app wasn't accurate just my use of it at the ti.e
@@KaruesellHQ ok, so, I don't ask for the App, maybe the title of the video could be confused for the rest of people. Regards
feel your forehand is so much like Kyle Edmund
which extreme has more spin the tour or mp
mp
Great video- really enjoying your channel. What is your go to string and tension?
Please can you do a comparison between the Yonex Ezone 98 and Vcore 98? Many thanks and best wishes from England
We’re glad you’re enjoying it! You’ll like this: we have a video comparing them already - here’s the link ruclips.net/video/QVOYnxbBE5o/видео.html
Any useable data from the Apple watch?
Some actually but I just found out about this app so I am learning a bit more about it before sharing the data. It did show faster swing speeds with the Extreme
Great video once again !
Quick question, what's your racquet of choice at the moment ?
I use a custom version of the 2018 Head Speed Pro. Longer grip and a bit heavier at 330grams unstrung. Got it when I was sponsored by head. Haven't found a new racket that suits my game better since then
@@KaruesellHQ Thanks for your answer.
@@KaruesellHQ Hi, can I ask you what strings and tension use in your racket of choice? Thank you.
Head seemed to give you a higher launch angle with the balls still falling in while having a fuller swing. Seem like a better racket for killing short balls etc.
That being said , you seems to also be hitting a heavier/faster ball with the Yonex.
Yep the had is killer for that. If you have time to set up your feet and go after the ball it is amazing. But yes the Yonex was a bit better for my game. Although I think a custom version of the Head Extreme Tour would be amazing
@@KaruesellHQ It's available and the pro stock code is TGT 348.1 Ring & Roll in Germany sells it.
Just saw this conversation from before and thought I'd report in. Got the head extreme tour and after adding 3 grams at 12 and an over grip it plays like a dream !!
Nothing says topspin like the Nadal-copter swing and grunt lol.
I mean it's a must lol
Great comparison!
Great job!
Thanks!
Anyone know what shoes he is wearing?
Nike Zoom Vapor Cage 4 - www.tennis-warehouse.com/Nike_Air_Zoom_Vapor_Cage_4_White_Crimson_Mens_Shoe/descpageMSNIKE-NAZVCWC.html?from=tenhq
I play with the 2020 prestige mp with a natural gut poly set up. I added 10 grams of tungsten to the handle. I hit with the extreme tour and didn't care for it at first (for me) I took it and added 14 grams to the handle and it made a huge difference.
String and tension?
Head lynx tour, 58lbs
I can see that you r getting more depth with yonex
Yonex action looks better plow. And I has Asain grip....
Love your bristles!
The head racket not have damper... we can think about it is the big difference
Unfortunately, if you can't keep the launch angle and the velocity comparable between the two rackets, it can be difficult to see which one generates more spin. A ball with a higher velocity but with more spin can actually have a lower trajectory than a ball with higher spin but slower trajectory. Because you reported the VCore 98 to have more plow through, it likely generated more velocity than the Head Extreme Tour. Also, a racket with a higher launch angle will seem to have more topspin than a racket with a lower launch angle even though both rackets generate the same amount of spin.
Sometime you can make a rough guess on relative topspin rotations by seeing how the ball bounces when it reaches the other side of the court. But, again, the bounce height is affected by velocity and launch angle.
Holy heck that extreme is pingy
Berretini doesn't use this racquet.
Apparently he uses the microgel extreme an likely customized
@@P2Rock I use his setup although I haven't added any weight so I just use it in stock form and it's a pretty fun combination to use. Really comfortable and tons of spin. Thinking of adding weight though to improve stability.
Oh.. that Head sounds extremely hollow...
Well I forgot to put on the dampener and the mic accentuated the sound. It is actually not that bad hahah
Well observed!!! :)
That VCore makes the new flimsy crap material Head rackets look like a joke.
Why you try so hard to mimic Nadal's forehand? It looks like you're trying to hard to look like him and it really takes away from the efficiency of your stroke
I was trying to hit with as much spin as I could since it is the point of the video. But hey, I am sure you could teach me how to hit a better forehand huh
@@KaruesellHQ maybe if I had the chance to coach you, for sure not in remote
Sometimes we need to learn the characters before tennis