One of the fights of our 13. Sparrings Meeting. Another attempt to further develop the skills for thos weapon pairing. Jaques l'eau froi and RickiRKR checked it out first time. éau
I have studied both arts. Being a US Marine and a Detroit Police Officer Arnis has saved me many times. Empty hands, weapons and grappling. Arnis/Escrima/Kali works for me.
Ramon Childs ...as a teenager growing up in motown i wish my 45 years of martial arts escrima included could have helped me there. At 70 still training.
That's because after the Spanish banned the practice of Filipino Martial Arts in fear of locals using this in rebellions. The locals are forced to use tools or any object as a way to keep the martial art alive.
That's comparing apples to oranges. Escrima is a combative art, kendo is a 'sport' evolving from kenjutsu the combative art. Kendo has rules of engagement, specific targeting. I'd like to see escrima vs. kenjutsu for a more accurate comparison.
Kurokage Tengu first of all are u even japanese? coz if not i might just call u a weeabo lol. i have a feeling that people that arent japanese or filipino doesnt have the right to criticize, analyze, or say, worst, pretend they know the martial art. im filipino, i practice escrima, so i think i have the right to speak for escrima.
Maria Christina DelaCruz I can assure you, my Lady, that my journey along the path of the sword if founded in tradition and honor. For you to make this about race, or origin, makes me think you're missing the point of the martial arts. Harmonizing, balance, discipline, mindset, regardless of the color of skin or place of birth. all martial artists seek to be at one with their art. there is no one art better than the other, it's all about the warrior within. you may misunderstand my comment about the video. I respect escrima very much. however the sword style being used against it is kendo, the sport of Japanese fencing. it relies on "scoring" Men(head), do(body), and kote(forearms). those are the only kendo targets. Kenjutsu, the combative art of Japanese swordsmanship is striking anywhere. specifically at weak points in armor, for this is what was used on the battlefields of feudal Japan. it would have been a better match and perhaps given better in site against an escrimador. Again, full respect to your art and you, my Lady, as one who travels the path to enlightenment.
Kurokage Tengu *ok i now understand u, the sword guy here is using a non combat art, thats why it looks like hes holding back, and gets hit alot. hes trying to hit the spots the sport's(kendo) rules intended. i see.* *and if u are japanese, sorry for calling u a weeabo lol.* *lets make peace, not war, but i will use escrima if theres war lol.*
Maria Christina DelaCruz Daijobu (no worries). If you haven't read it, I'd like to recommend a book to you. The Unfettered Mind by Takuan Soho. A Buddhist monk who relates the martial arts to Zen Buddhism. it open up a lot of doors for me years ago, and really shifted my view on the martial arts. Kampai (cheers)!
My favorite set up for an Arnis/Eskrima master is Espada Y Daga, its a 26 inch sword (Espada) paired with a 14.25 Dagger (Daga), based off of Spanish fencing brought to the Philipinnes by the spanish in the 15th Century, With improvements to lower movement,use local dual purpose hunting/farming tools as weapons of war, and to further develope the spanish art into there own more deadly style. Depending on the set up you prefer you can go quick and tactical and cut the tendons in most joints in a flash with a Karambit or pentrate with a balisong knife or Gunong for penetrations on one hand and decapitation level sword/axe type thing), even tomahawks but the variety of farm and ceremonial tools is amazing and how quick they adapted them to suit there needs then go back to farming with it made it a hard thing to get rid of. It's like saying we can have a rake no more bec ause we created a deadly fighting techinique for it, but imagine they did that with all there implements. Perfect example look up a clurit, it is a rice scythe that was also used extensively in war or inter tribal warfare, more then a few of these weapons seen action in the Philipinne-American war and even more action yet in WW2. Not sure there favorite combo's to use but im gussing a War Gukri and something else, karambit in the mix for sure cause it had canning options to open food, gukri was great for food prep to as with golok as a cleaver. Prob with Kendo is they lost all that sword translation so they cant relate to you how to modify the techinique back to the original style before the Edict.
Jody Wannamaker Good stuff. Do you happen to know if there are any recorded instances of escrima being paired against Spanish fencers/swordsman in duels?
+James Mueller against spanish, against each other, against a joint Chinese/Japanese pirate fleet, against just the Japanese, against America... anybody who's ever brought a boat to the south Pacific really.
I don't know of any "samurai fleet" but a Chinese pirate named, Lin Feng and a Japanese pirate named, Sioco attacked Manila on November 29, 1574 (Filipino Martial Culture)
This is just the same as double short swords vs. a two-handed longsword. The concept isn't which style is better; but is the guy with the longsword better at maintaining range advantage or is the double short sword guy better at closing the distance and getting the attack in.
I can see what everyone's talking about with the fighters being extremely sloppy and inexperienced, but why has nobody commented on the idiot with the camera? I mean, come on, you could at least TRY to keep them centered..
Represent - maybe. And it's the kind of representation that a sword will cut. Be replaced by - that's debatable I think: Eskrima (also spelled Escrima) is a Filipinization of the Spanish word for fencing, esgrima.[7][8] Their cognate in French is escrime and is related to the English term 'skirmish'.Kali has multiple theories on its origin: One theory is that the word comes from tjakalele,[9] a tribal style of stick-fencing from Indonesia. This is supported by the similarities between tjakalele and eskrima techniques, as well as Mindanao's proximity to Indonesia.According to Guro Dan Inosanto, Kali is a portmanteau of the Cebuano words "kamot", meaning hand, and "lihok", meaning motion.[10][11]In the Ilocano language, kali means to dig and to stab.[12]There exist numerous similar terms of reference for martial arts such as kalirongan , kaliradman and pagkalikali.[13] These may be the origin of the term kali or they may have evolved from it.[9]According to Grandmaster Vic Sanchez, the Pangasinense term Kalirongan means "Karunungan ng Lihim" or Wisdom of (the) Secret (fighting arts) or "Wisdom of Kali".In his book KALI - History of a Forbidden Filipino Fighting Arts, Fred Lazo put forward that Kali was an ancient root word for blade, and that the Filipino words for right hand (kanan) and left hand (kaliwa) are contractions of the terms "way of the blade" (kali daanan) and "without blade" (kali wala) as weapons are usually held with the right hand and the left hand is typically empty.[14]In their book Cebuano Eskrima: Beyond the Myth however, Dr. Ned Nepangue and Celestino Macachor contend that the term Kali in reference to Filipino martial arts did not exist until the Buenaventura. Mirafuente wrote in the preface of the first known published book on Arnis, "Mga Karunungan sa Larong Arnis" by Placido Yambao, the term Kali as the native mother fighting art of the Philippine islands.[15]Most likely, Kali derives from the pre-Hispanic Filipino term for blades and fencing, Calis,[16] documented by Ferdinand Magellan's expedition chronicler Antonio Pigafetta during their journey through the Visayas and in old Spanish to Filipino Mother Tongue dictionary and vocabulary books dating from 1612 to the late 1800s, such as in Vocabulario de Lengua Tagala by Fr. Pedro de San Buenaventura.[17] The term calis in various forms was present in these old Spanish documents in Ilocano,[18] Ibanag (calit),[19] Kapampangan,[20] Tagalog,[21] Bicolano (caris),[22] Waray (caris),[23] Hiligaynon[24] and Cebuano (calix, baladao[25] - "kalis balaraw/dagger" and cales[26]). In some of these dictionaries, the term calis refers to a sword or knife kris or keris, while in others it refers to both swords and knives and their usage as well as a form of esgrima stick fighting.[20][21] While Mirafuente posits that the original term was "Kali" and that the letter "S" was added later, the late Grandmaster Remy Presas suggests that the "S" was dropped in modern times and became presently more known as "Kali" in FMA circles.
Obergruppenführer/Wulf/ originally an escrimador uses two swords, but when the Spaniards ban the swords they changed with dual bantons, believe me you don't to fight them using two bolo swords.
no, a katana won't cut through Kali ironwood or most wooden percussive clubs, because of impact absorption on a non stationary is deflected. it would be more likely to get stuck. sure, a katana cuts a baseball bat when the bat isn't held or swung. the chinese, moors, indo-malayans, Polynesians, spaniards, japanese, and americans have many varied weapons, and they all saw what these "sticks" can do. they banned fighting sticks while allowing farming machetes and sickles. it shows what is feared more. and, japan in ww2 thrashed every asian country including china, but had trouble holding the Philippines. the truth is, these sticks and their style is a devil to fight against.
I've done both kendo and eskrima, and as a short woman found that eskrima had much better weapons size for me. The kendo armour was way too big. I then went on to get a green sash in eskrima.
Jujutsuheiho Of course not my friend,, Just imagine what would happen if the kendo guy had a real steel sword. 3 blows maximum and the eskrima one is done.
Jose Sanchez well if they both have steel sword it could go either way. Escrima after all is meant for knives. and short swords. All depends on the skill I guess.
gagongflip389 that could work, but Eskrima was created to use wooden sticks because all iron weapons were forbidden during the spanish rule of the Philipinnes.
Jose Sanchez Sticks we used by not what the art is based on. When the Spanish first laned they didn't get killed by sticks. Also you mean steel not iron.
The first European invaders, failed to set a foothold in Cebu. Most of them were killed by a small group of warriors armed with machetes. Despite having superior armor, and weapon they retreated. Cebu is where the eskrimadors were. Another group of Spanish invaders were sent to Philippines, but they entered a different island in the northern part where the people were less hostile. The rest was history.
Ihaz Noame He's talking about Magellan who was killed by Lapu Lapu on Mactan Island in 1521. Magellan had about 50 armored Spaniards and about 250 or so native warriors with him. Lapu Lapu had well over 1,000 (maybe even 1500) warriors. Its common knowledge. Takes 10 seconds to locate it on the internet. Derp.
Your contempt towards Manileños is damn near palpable. Where's your national unity? Visayas isn't the only region in the entire damned republic. The way you discredit the exploits of our ancestors by implying that they're timid shows your tribalistic mentality and further shows the world that we're not yet fit to form a cohesive nation.
My father and uncles have sucessfully used this back in WWII when they were guerillas aiding the GI's.They have all lived to tell their stories.I have also studied traditional Japanese martial arts and even my sensei's from Japan admit that Ecsrima/ Kali is complicated.Thanks for posting.
Kendo guy should use his distance and long range attacks like Tsuki and others because Southeast asian styles are known for very close attacks.Going close to Kali Escrima is like touching an electric fan with your finger.
Rabin Espanio I practice escrima and still that would be easy for the escrima guy because stabbing is easy to counter with side step invades leaving the kendo guy completely open to be attacked inside close. Stabbing is the least thing he could do trust me. Escrima will always win in this type of battle with a skilled escrima guy even versus an skilled kendo guy. The amount of time to strike with a large kendo boken leaves the kendo guy open. It is just a mismatch in styles. Escrima sticks are faster and have the advantage of parring and attacking at the same time.
@@generalzod8400 If an eskrima dude met a guy studying kenjutsu, the outcome would be different, for kenjutsu, like eskrima, are martial arts, unlike kendo, which is just a sport devoid of all martial arts.
One of the things I notice when watching a lot of these videos is that the victors usually really boil down on two factors: skill level and movement. When watching a lot of HEMA vs Kendo/Kenjutsu videos it's pretty noticeable that Longsword wielders tend to be more quick/agile and go for more wild, fluid movements whereas the Katana wielders tend to stay in a pretty static position. That is not to say that the Katana wielders dont move around, they definitely do, but their body isn't as animated as their Longsword counterparts and for the most part pretty stiff (at least from my perception) giving Longsword wielders an easier time controlling the center. When looking at HEMA vs Escrima or Kendo/Kenjutsu vs Escrima videos, one things pretty noticeable as well and that it's Escrima fighters have a really easy time breaking through defenses and getting up close and personal. I've never practiced Escrima (or Kendo/Kenjutsu, I've only practiced HEMA, double irony considering the fact that I'm Filipino) but going under the assumption that Escrima fighters are more used to fights that are really close quarters, Longsword users and Katana users tend to have a hard time keeping up with the Escrima fighters who tend to bypass the length of the swords, perhaps because they don't have the reach advantage. Once again, not that either style doesn't have a way to deal with up and personal fighters. In HEMA we have Ringen which is basically grappling and disarming techniques that are used in conjunction with the sword once the length of the blade has been bypassed. I'm sure Kendo/Kenjutsu has something like that too, though I don't know what it's called. Anyway just putting in my thoughts.
NXK Martial Arts It's interesting how styles match up. It's kind of interesting how on the street, 9/10 times Krav Maga guys smash MMA fighters. I guess the focus on "ringmanship" makes it too unrealistic for the streets. Sad really.
Kendo guy drew first blood with a solid strike to the head. Imo that beats whatever slashing spam got laid down afterwards. If we had a gun fight and i shot someone once in the head in 2 seconds with a .45 the fact that the other guy would have landed 30 .22 hits to the torso after is a moot point. Also krav maga guys dont win any fights "on the street" a better fighter is better. What most martial arts dojo sensei types don't mention is that extensive training only gives you a slight edge. If two guys go at it to kill the bigger faster stronger more aggressive guy wins. Krav teaches aggresiveness above all else so i guess that gives a certain advantage but an equally agressive fighter with practical skills will win out all other things being equal.
I would pay a lot of money and respect for the guys that instead of coment show me a video of they fighting , i allways see the coment of "isn't good enough" or "he is unskilled" but never a video in response of their "how its done for real"
Neither practitioner is good enough to represent their disciple. However, I can someone get the idea of how it might go. Don't forget, Kendo is like the sports version of samurai sword fighting. Just like how Muay Boran became Muay Thai. One strike from a Japanese swordsman and not Kendo practitioner and you can get your body cut in half. But if Eskrima catches the sword at close range, there's a possibility of it being Eskrima's turn to attack all the way. So it's multiple strikes vs one strike. In boxing, it's kind of like a swarmer vs slugger/boxer-puncher match up.
Devilonthebay Yep you can defintely figure that one out. Neither of those practioners (at that time) knew enough of their arts to execute, but it was fun watching a little of it.
Devilonthebay The thing is, the Eskrimador could represent a 16th century European duelist armed with a parrying dagger and a rapier. And for the love of god, a Katana/Weabookashi is just an overrated saber. Kendo loses.
+sienna three Ok. At least he's moving. I know that movement. Seen it many of times while training with Paul Vunak. Now of course, Paul didn't move like that, but his beginner students did. I'm thinking that both artist have grown after watching this footage over and over again (half beat striking, zoning straight to taiyada footwork w/strikes and controlling the side "center-line").
Nice. Thanks for sharing. I think the escrima guy was pushed around a bit and had less control over how the fight played out, but he used exactly the right strategy in the clashes and I would say he won this hands down because of it. In defence of the kendo guy, obviously he isn't trained in fighting someone with two sticks/swords which is why the escrimador can so easily check the shinai with one stick while landing a strike with the other, and even if the kendoka lost most exchanges I think he had pretty good footwork and managed to put good preassure on his opponent by cutting of his angles etc (at a distance I mean). He is probably not bad at kendo-it's just that the skills relevant to kendo are not optimized for fighting a decently skilled dual-wielding escrimador. More generally, I think the escrimador looked good over all, but tbh the other guy looks a bit slow for a kendoka. They can have extremely fast, explosive attacks with zero telegraphing, but this guy was fairly easy to read which I think the escrimador used very well. But this too could be a result of how different the escrimador is compared to a standard kendo opponent. They tend to stand fairly still and move more linearly as opposed to the constant floating in bladed FMA. That probably makes it difficult for the kendoka to launch his attacks with the timing and precision he has trained for. I would be interested to know what kind of escrima this guy has been training. With the longer distance and more explosive finishes it looks kind of like good ol' Latosa escrima.
Escrima guy isn't using proper footwork among other things and the Kendo guy seems inexperienced overall... they'd probably have to switch armor/body protectors so they don't hold back so much as in this video and treat each other like targets from their own discipline.
the sticks can also be treated as a blade. Much of the same movements and strikes are designed to be used as both. You can take the sticks in his hand and say they are katanas... it still applies.
Its called Jodan no kamae and it is one of two stances commonly used in Kendo. It usually only used by advanced practitioners who specialize in that stance. The person here does not have good Kendo at the time of this video and has no business using this stance. Just search "Kendo Jodan" on youtube to see how powerful this stance can be.
When you have only one long sword and your opponent have two shorter swords, you can't initiate a full frontal attack, because one blade can only parry one blade, so the opposant second blade will cut you. In this kind of situation, you have to manage to use the only advantage you have : the superior length of your blade. Feinting, creating an oppening then striking while moving backward in order to be the only one within striking range. That's the best strategy to go with here.
Those sticks can represent blades. As you can imagine, two blades are better than one. Hurt the hand then go for the kill. That means the guy with more blades has a better chance, since he can parry with one then cut with the other. It'll be over in a few seconds if it were a real fight. Of course, there are other factors, such as luck and skill, that can affect the outcome.
Not neccessarily. I don't do Escrima but HEMA and we practice occasionally langes messer (+ buckler or dagger) vs. longsword, staff or poleaxe. In my experience, if the guy with the longer weapon knows what he is doing, it is really tough to come into hitting distance without beeing hit first.
bad display from both fighters although in a real life and death situation it'll put all my year's salary on eskrima. kendo is a highly disciplined and confined martial art and one will easily see its impracticality in streets while eskrima is extremely versatile as it covers free hand; short, medium and long range weapons or any combination of them. lose your sword in kendo and its done.
dharmdevil then don't lose your sword. Also, samurai used kendo as one of their main martial arts, and they're covered in thick metal armor, so they're not in sheets.
I've seen how they do Arnis in the 50's here in RUclips and they were so ferocious. It looked nothing like this. It was so fast and they actually try to deflect strikes. Deflect strikes and attack real fast. I would imagine that if a single strike from a single sword gets deflected all That kendo practitioners could do is cry.
@@theheronoonegivesashitabou3459 - I wonder if you practice Arnis yourself. Since i really want to see how you deflect 2 hands strike with 1 hand and also deal a finish blow with another hand. I really means it because many tried and failed, maybe you are different. Unless you have light sabers that can instant kill anything it touch. - Also that "Deflect" is not your special move, all martial art have it, so please don't talk about it like it is magical invincible move. About dual wield, through history, dual weapon were considered superior but not many people practice it because it's extremely hard to master, most user gave up halfway and switch to single weapon. - Also you assume Kendo is a gentle/peaceful art just from watching this friendly match. I would love to see you kick those guys ass with your Arnis. ruclips.net/video/LHNPoSBJvn8/видео.html
This is awesome. I feel like some of the losses the kendoka experienced spring from escrima still being somewhat a highly practical art, whereas kendo has been vetted *for* kendo, and thus lost some of the practical edge kenjutsu would have had (for instance keeping the shinai up after striking to the head, he suffered a few body blows from it). That is more a form thing, it'd have no place in a swordfight. I'm not strictly saying 'escrima is more practical then kendo' however, I don't have enough experience in both to say that. Just some thoughts, not what I percieve as true.
I agree, I was just talking from a stylistic aspect. The literal skill and energy from the swordsmen in question I wasn't paying much heed to when I thought about it.
Rhys Sinclair The guy using Kendo was doing some preparations,or raising is sword high leaving him an easy opening.I do not know much about Kendo,but look again and see how he got himself and easy opening.
Rhys Sinclair Eskrima is a proven sword art through some recent(ish) wars, in the Philippine-American War it was so effective against the .38 Long Colt it directly led to the 1911 .45 ACP being developed to give them the rounds and stopping power to stop them advancing. Example: an American serviceman was decapitated by a Moro warrior even after he emptied his .38 Long Colt into him. But you are totally right the sword edge techniques have been lost to the masses, I'm sure there are decendents of the of the military class and Daiymo's Clans that kept there Sword Arts in secret to be more refined and our of honor, being they were the only one's allowed to carry sword legally after the Haitōrei Edict.
Jody Wannamaker I think it's less that the art made that particular swordsman strong and more that the swordsman was a badass lol. I got my Filipino pride and appreciate the arts of my heritage but I'd be careful - it's easy to romanticize old styles and water them down with impracticality. The military in the 'pines train with a very very utilitarian, aggressive Kali style now that basically involves practicing swinging your machete(s) as hard and fast as possible with none of that fancy practice tapping bullshit, literally just swing those motherfuckers down across the body while moving.
My grandfather fought the Japanese during the great war. He acquired a Nambu pistol, a Katana and a skull. The skull belongs to the former owner of the pistol and the Katana. We used it as a candle holder. I still have the Nambu (it is hard to find an 8mm bullet) and the skull. The Katana was sold years ago by my uncle to get high.
so i wonder if the samurai used the katana and another shorter sword, and the phillipinos used machetes would the samurai draw his second sword or stick to just one??given that the kali guy had 2 machetes instead of sticks.
the shorter sword samurais carry, are largely symbolic and are barely drawn, some don't even have functional edges, besides, the samurai are already a force to be reckoned with armed with one sword
Possible, but the eskrimador would have the advantage, given the katana is meant to be wielded with two hands. Makes more sense to stick with what you know
***** escrima is bullshit. You all focused on practicing all this fancy "machine gun" strikes that are useless in a real fight. Most of the sparring I've seen of escrima look like there is no technique what so ever. Only waving of sticks around.
Emanuel Paredes Try studying some escrima and you'll quickly realise the practical applications of the techniques - they apply to not just sticks but open hand, knives, swords.. If it were bullshit, I don't think it would have been quite so successful against the Spanish!
stormdetonation85 the continental army was nowhere near as powerful as the English navy yet they still won. Escrima looks much like kung fu to me. Very flashy, but holds very little potential in a real fight. I practice boxing. In boxing we actually have matches that are very close to a real fight.
The escrimador was taught well. He intercepted every attack of the Kendo practitioner. Some may say that was because he had 2 sticks, if he had 1 the results would have been better for the escrimador.
Kendo is not only the practice of chudan-no-kamae (the standard stance with the standard shinai representing a katana) but also nito (a slightly shorter shinai and a much smaller shinai used for blocking), jodan-no-kamae (stance with the shinai raised above the head), and naginata (uses a sort of long spear-like shinai). There is variety in both arts :)
A pre-set attack by the kendo fighter is like a baseball batter set to swing. This makes it easy for the kali fighter to predict the angle of attack when it happens and therefore setting up his own block followed by a counter attack.
It's cool how you can see the advantages and disadvantages of having one or two weapons here, like how a two-handed weapon strike can overpower one-hand weapons and how having two weapons be used in striking and parrying simultaneously.
The fact that Escrima does so well here isn't surprising. Anyone whose read the book of five rings will know that one of the greatest Japanese swordsmen Miyamoto Musashi used both his katana and his personal sword. Having two swords might be more complicated but in theory it gives you more options.
@LordKaseem Sticks are just as deadly as swords. Blunt force trauma can kill you just as easily as a cut can. The reason we developed edged weapons like swords was to cut through armor.
The U.S. Marines wore leather straps around their necks during this war, hence they were called leather necks. My art also influenced other arts like boxing, Jeet Kune Do, Keysi Fighting System, MCNAP, & Krav Maga. It is currently being used by Navy Seals, SAS, U.S. M.C. and other police & military forces around the world. It is called the most practical knife fighting technique in the world by many M.A. experts.
Kendo guy is nit a professional. He is just only trying to attack head. But kendo is supposed to design to cut enemies hands(kote) first with more small movements.
Love these comparison videos I think it comes down to skill always. Who is faster or better at their MA. But having said that...you could have heavier escrima sticks...which would then smash the kendo "sword". Escrima is also more "practical". You can grab any two sticks you find and use them as Escrima sticks. How often do you see guys walking around in full Kendo garb or just with the bamboo sword? :)
Actually, sideswords were used for cutting, rapier were only sharpened near the tip, and a bit down the blade. A sidesword was created for the use against an armored opponent that a rapier couldn't really match up against. Rapier did have cuts however, namely draw cuts, where you pull back your arm with the first bit of the blade drawn across the opponent (hence the name). All classical manuals will show you this.
Hahaha it was really funny watching the guy get tsuki'd over and over again. The sensei kept re-bending his shinai after a bunch of tsukis lol. Thanks!
@wakerofwind88 impressiv, Sir. It´s not the style, it´s the man behind the weapon. We´re fighting all of above and found, that those having most experience in multible weapon fighting experience are those, who survive. Fighting is not about weapons and styles - fighting is about understanding and adoption. But this is only the opinion of a passionate fighter ... °v°
@Hell6125 it has many names, they called it 2 short stick, we called the weapon anis de mano, escrima is a style using different kind of blade like balisong, swords etc...
One of the principles of FMA is Defang the Snake. We don't usually disarm when we can do heavy damage to the hands. If it is a sword fight, we will attack the hands (or legs) then later attack the head and torso.
Wow! that was very, very cool! I'm a thai boxer but looking to do a weapon martial art, whats the dual weapon style called in this video? Guessing from the comments it's escrima??? whatever it is I want to give it a go :)
Kendo is an offensive type of self defense while eskrima is a defensive type so if you noticed, the eskrimador is actually just doing mostly counter attacks
It depends on situation, really. If there was distance between the swordsman and the dagger-wielder, for example, a castle courtyard, the swordsman has the overwhelming advantage. He has space to retreat to get some distance and space to swing that longer sword. If both are trapped, however, in a tight corridor, the advantage is reversed. Swordsman has limited distance to retreat, cramped quarters make swinging impractical.
@Jetman123 says who?, double stick, or double bolo is just the same. I use sticks, bolo, and kampilan, some styles like mine use the kampilan that is slightly shortest than a katana as well, but single kampilan or kampilan and dagger
it originated in the Philippines. the eskrimador did pretty good. there were a few trap and attack pairings that he pulled off well. which is classic eskrima. although i am interested to know which school it is that taught him to wave his arms like that. it is obvious the kendo practitioner took it a little easy on thim though "for what ever reason".
The answer to the dual wielding thing is that a single weapon gives you a lot more control and raw power than dual wielding and a stronger "centerline" guard as opposed to the spaced guard given by dual wielding. If you've ever sparred with weapons and used a dual weapon like tonfa you've probably had the experience of a kendo guy or longsword fencer smashing his way through your guard. There are two ways to getting past a guard - wear it down (guys bigger than you favor this) or you slide in
its not about what the discipline you are using,its person using it..but if you learned escrima its basically learning a lot of hand held weapons like swords,knife,nanchakus and a lot more..
@Thegamerprodigyxj The fighter with the single bambo stick designed to look like a sword is practicing Kendo, it is a Japanese sword-fighting sport. The one with the two bambo sticks is using an art called Kali or Arnis or Ercima, that is a Filipino stick-fighting art that became a sport. This video, Kendo vs Escrima, is sort of a "when sports collide" kind of thing.
With a single sword, you are to cut inside the attack, putting your blade into your enemy while also putting in between their blade and you. You don't tire out faster using 2 weapons. Viking shields weigh in the 9 lb range and don't bother you much if you have had a bit of time getting used to them.
in eskrima training and demonstrations they use sticks as substitute for bolo or blades. as you progress as a student you will learn ways to use sticks as a weapon or just about anything in the background. we dont usually have swords.
that's true too. but the point was they used swords and would use them if the opponent used a live blade as well. because the stick has been the hallmark of training, people sometimes believe that those were the things used in actual combat.
Most of the weapons making were also kept secret. But unlike the Katana, we put poisonous oil in our specialized blades. Some are quick acting, while most just prevents proper healing of wounds. Some of the blades were also tempered with poison. So an antique Kris can still be potent. We also have the concealed carry weapons like the Balisong, Karambit and Dulo Dulo. The technic is similar to boxing when using them. May I ask what country are you from?
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As someone stated already, the sticks have been traditionally used in place of live blades during practice. Akin to the shinai being representative of an actual katana. In actual combat, ancient Eskrimadors fought with actual swords.
@INTHEHONOROFROCK It depends on the style of FMA. Yes, sticks can be replaced by bolos, but not all stick techniques can be extrapolated to blades (ie strickig techniques, grabbing sticks and some tie-ups). Most of your "older" styles of FMA are blade based and it shows with the way they teach strikes, blocks and disarming.
@Ranziel1 I did both fencing and Kendo..I don't feel fencing masks are made to protect the head from hard beating coming from top of the head. They are made for taking the stabs from the front and Foil/Espee/Sabre will actually bend.
The sticks are used for practice and competition only (for obvious reasons). We can use any weapons we can find and even fight empty hand. One of the principles of my art is "one technique, many weapons". We Filipinos have a variety of swords too. There was even a documented case where a U.S. Marine armed with a .38 revolver was beheaded by a Moro during the Filipino- U.S. war. That is the reason there was a request for a .45 cartridge.
before this goes, im voting for escrima great job to that guy! he actually knew how to use escrima against a one-bladed opponent, and knew how to block the obvious attacks from the ceiling with a roof block. Im very pleased with this video :P
I have studied both arts. Being a US Marine and a Detroit Police Officer Arnis has saved me many times. Empty hands, weapons and grappling. Arnis/Escrima/Kali works for me.
Ramon Childs fma
Ramon Childs ...as a teenager growing up in motown i wish my 45 years of martial arts escrima included could have helped me there. At 70 still training.
As a Marine about to EAS, I'm trying to get back into escrima since I took that in college. Just hoping there's a class or the sort back in town!
That's because after the Spanish banned the practice of Filipino Martial Arts in fear of locals using this in rebellions. The locals are forced to use tools or any object as a way to keep the martial art alive.
Yes absolutely, if you know this arnis, kali or eskrima nobody can penetrate your defense and your offence is quick and deadly
The cameraman needs a lot more practice. He clearly was outmatched by the camera.
I think the cameraman, is fucosing ,the two person,not the camera
Wuajajjaj
same camera man from Naruto
vizulefllry wrong if kendo use samurai..
it only means that they can't be followed because of speed. lol
Obi-Wan versus General Grievous.
Audial Architect more like padme vs anakin
Why did I say padme, I meant ahsoka
That's comparing apples to oranges. Escrima is a combative art, kendo is a 'sport' evolving from kenjutsu the combative art. Kendo has rules of engagement, specific targeting. I'd like to see escrima vs. kenjutsu for a more accurate comparison.
Kurokage Tengu Eskrima is also a sport but today it's called kali
Kurokage Tengu
first of all are u even japanese?
coz if not i might just call u a weeabo lol.
i have a feeling that people that arent japanese or filipino doesnt have the right to criticize, analyze, or say, worst, pretend they know the martial art.
im filipino, i practice escrima, so i think i have the right to speak for escrima.
Maria Christina DelaCruz
I can assure you, my Lady, that my journey along the path of the sword if founded in tradition and honor. For you to make this about race, or origin, makes me think you're missing the point of the martial arts. Harmonizing, balance, discipline, mindset, regardless of the color of skin or place of birth. all martial artists seek to be at one with their art. there is no one art better than the other, it's all about the warrior within. you may misunderstand my comment about the video. I respect escrima very much. however the sword style being used against it is kendo, the sport of Japanese fencing. it relies on "scoring" Men(head), do(body), and kote(forearms). those are the only kendo targets. Kenjutsu, the combative art of Japanese swordsmanship is striking anywhere. specifically at weak points in armor, for this is what was used on the battlefields of feudal Japan. it would have been a better match and perhaps given better in site against an escrimador. Again, full respect to your art and you, my Lady, as one who travels the path to enlightenment.
Kurokage Tengu
*ok i now understand u, the sword guy here is using a non combat art, thats why it looks like hes holding back, and gets hit alot. hes trying to hit the spots the sport's(kendo) rules intended. i see.*
*and if u are japanese, sorry for calling u a weeabo lol.*
*lets make peace, not war, but i will use escrima if theres war lol.*
Maria Christina DelaCruz
Daijobu (no worries). If you haven't read it, I'd like to recommend a book to you. The Unfettered Mind by Takuan Soho. A Buddhist monk who relates the martial arts to Zen Buddhism. it open up a lot of doors for me years ago, and really shifted my view on the martial arts. Kampai (cheers)!
My favorite set up for an Arnis/Eskrima master is Espada Y Daga, its a 26 inch sword (Espada) paired with a 14.25 Dagger (Daga), based off of Spanish fencing brought to the Philipinnes by the spanish in the 15th Century, With improvements to lower movement,use local dual purpose hunting/farming tools as weapons of war, and to further develope the spanish art into there own more deadly style. Depending on the set up you prefer you can go quick and tactical and cut the tendons in most joints in a flash with a Karambit or pentrate with a balisong knife or Gunong for penetrations on one hand and decapitation level sword/axe type thing), even tomahawks but the variety of farm and ceremonial tools is amazing and how quick they adapted them to suit there needs then go back to farming with it made it a hard thing to get rid of. It's like saying we can have a rake no more bec ause we created a deadly fighting techinique for it, but imagine they did that with all there implements. Perfect example look up a clurit, it is a rice scythe that was also used extensively in war or inter tribal warfare, more then a few of these weapons seen action in the Philipinne-American war and even more action yet in WW2. Not sure there favorite combo's to use but im gussing a War Gukri and something else, karambit in the mix for sure cause it had canning options to open food, gukri was great for food prep to as with golok as a cleaver. Prob with Kendo is they lost all that sword translation so they cant relate to you how to modify the techinique back to the original style before the Edict.
Jody Wannamaker I will use a freshly dipped Toilet Plunger in my Sinawali you will run away and I will win by default.
Jody Wannamaker Good stuff. Do you happen to know if there are any recorded instances of escrima being paired against Spanish fencers/swordsman in duels?
+James Mueller against spanish, against each other, against a joint Chinese/Japanese pirate fleet, against just the Japanese, against America... anybody who's ever brought a boat to the south Pacific really.
+No1of Consequence
Please elaborate. When exactly did a samurai fleet or Japanses pirates ever attack the Philippines.
I don't know of any "samurai fleet" but a Chinese pirate named, Lin Feng and a Japanese pirate named, Sioco attacked Manila on November 29, 1574 (Filipino Martial Culture)
This is just the same as double short swords vs. a two-handed longsword. The concept isn't which style is better; but is the guy with the longsword better at maintaining range advantage or is the double short sword guy better at closing the distance and getting the attack in.
I can see what everyone's talking about with the fighters being extremely sloppy and inexperienced, but why has nobody commented on the idiot with the camera? I mean, come on, you could at least TRY to keep them centered..
0:18 - 0:24 Am I supposed to be framing the action? OK I guess.
kendo guy gets his guts opened up every few seconds. Winner = Kali :-)
But then - a sword cuts a stick
the sticks are meant to represent blades
Represent - maybe. And it's the kind of representation that a sword will cut. Be replaced by - that's debatable I think:
Eskrima (also spelled Escrima) is a Filipinization of the Spanish word for fencing, esgrima.[7][8] Their cognate in French is escrime and is related to the English term 'skirmish'.Kali has multiple theories on its origin:
One theory is that the word comes from tjakalele,[9]
a tribal style of stick-fencing from Indonesia. This is supported by
the similarities between tjakalele and eskrima techniques, as well as
Mindanao's proximity to Indonesia.According to Guro Dan Inosanto, Kali is a portmanteau of the Cebuano words "kamot", meaning hand, and "lihok", meaning motion.[10][11]In the Ilocano language, kali means to dig and to stab.[12]There exist numerous similar terms of reference for martial arts such as kalirongan , kaliradman and pagkalikali.[13] These may be the origin of the term kali or they may have evolved from it.[9]According to Grandmaster Vic Sanchez, the Pangasinense term Kalirongan means "Karunungan ng Lihim" or Wisdom of (the) Secret (fighting arts) or "Wisdom of Kali".In his book KALI - History of a Forbidden Filipino Fighting Arts, Fred Lazo put forward that Kali was an ancient root word for blade, and that the Filipino words for right hand (kanan) and left hand (kaliwa) are contractions of the terms "way of the blade" (kali daanan) and "without blade" (kali wala) as weapons are usually held with the right hand and the left hand is typically empty.[14]In their book Cebuano Eskrima: Beyond the Myth however, Dr. Ned Nepangue and Celestino Macachor contend that the term Kali in reference to Filipino martial arts did not exist until the Buenaventura. Mirafuente wrote in the preface of the first known published book on Arnis, "Mga Karunungan sa Larong
Arnis" by Placido Yambao, the term Kali as the native mother fighting art of the Philippine islands.[15]Most likely, Kali derives from the pre-Hispanic Filipino term for blades and fencing, Calis,[16] documented by Ferdinand Magellan's expedition chronicler Antonio Pigafetta
during their journey through the Visayas and in old Spanish to Filipino
Mother Tongue dictionary and vocabulary books dating from 1612 to the
late 1800s, such as in Vocabulario de Lengua Tagala by Fr. Pedro de San Buenaventura.[17] The term calis in various forms was present in these old Spanish documents in Ilocano,[18] Ibanag (calit),[19] Kapampangan,[20] Tagalog,[21] Bicolano (caris),[22] Waray (caris),[23] Hiligaynon[24] and Cebuano (calix, baladao[25] - "kalis balaraw/dagger" and cales[26]). In some of these dictionaries, the term calis refers to a sword or knife kris or keris, while in others it refers to both swords and knives and their usage as well as a form of esgrima stick fighting.[20][21] While Mirafuente posits that the original term was "Kali" and that the letter "S" was added later, the late Grandmaster Remy Presas suggests that the "S" was dropped in modern times and became presently more known as "Kali" in FMA circles.
Obergruppenführer/Wulf/ originally an escrimador uses two swords, but when the Spaniards ban the swords they changed with dual bantons, believe me you don't to fight them using two bolo swords.
no, a katana won't cut through Kali ironwood or most wooden percussive clubs, because of impact absorption on a non stationary is deflected. it would be more likely to get stuck. sure, a katana cuts a baseball bat when the bat isn't held or swung. the chinese, moors, indo-malayans, Polynesians, spaniards, japanese, and americans have many varied weapons, and they all saw what these "sticks" can do. they banned fighting sticks while allowing farming machetes and sickles. it shows what is feared more. and, japan in ww2 thrashed every asian country including china, but had trouble holding the Philippines. the truth is, these sticks and their style is a devil to fight against.
I've done both kendo and eskrima, and as a short woman found that eskrima had much better weapons size for me. The kendo armour was way too big. I then went on to get a green sash in eskrima.
The Kendoka needs a lot more practice. He clearly was outmatched by the Escrima guy.
Jujutsuheiho true.
Jujutsuheiho Of course not my friend,, Just imagine what would happen if the kendo guy had a real steel sword. 3 blows maximum and the eskrima one is done.
Jose Sanchez well if they both have steel sword it could go either way. Escrima after all is meant for knives. and short swords. All depends on the skill I guess.
gagongflip389 that could work, but Eskrima was created to use wooden sticks because all iron weapons were forbidden during the spanish rule of the Philipinnes.
Jose Sanchez Sticks we used by not what the art is based on. When the Spanish first laned they didn't get killed by sticks. Also you mean steel not iron.
Thats an interesting comparison. I would like to see Kendo vs. volleyball, Iaido vs. female squirting or Brazilian Jiu Jitsu vs. geriatric care.
Lmaoooo
I want to see judo vs tai chi aquathlon.
I don't mind seeing female squirting, just saying (─.─||）
Nice
The first European invaders, failed to set a foothold in Cebu. Most of them were killed by a small group of warriors armed with machetes. Despite having superior armor, and weapon they retreated. Cebu is where the eskrimadors were.
Another group of Spanish invaders were sent to Philippines, but they entered a different island in the northern part where the people were less hostile. The rest was history.
Chrisler Laid [citation needed]
Ihaz Noame Any book on Philippine history mate :) That "Northern part" he is mentioning is probably referring to Manila
Ihaz Noame He's talking about Magellan who was killed by Lapu Lapu on Mactan Island in 1521. Magellan had about 50 armored Spaniards and about 250 or so native warriors with him. Lapu Lapu had well over 1,000 (maybe even 1500) warriors. Its common knowledge. Takes 10 seconds to locate it on the internet. Derp.
Aaaand Japan had a hard time too, especially the US. There's a reason why it's dubbed as one of the dangerous.
Your contempt towards Manileños is damn near palpable. Where's your national unity? Visayas isn't the only region in the entire damned republic. The way you discredit the exploits of our ancestors by implying that they're timid shows your tribalistic mentality and further shows the world that we're not yet fit to form a cohesive nation.
My father and uncles have sucessfully used this back in WWII when they were guerillas aiding the GI's.They have all lived to tell their stories.I have also studied traditional Japanese martial arts and even my sensei's from Japan admit that Ecsrima/ Kali is complicated.Thanks for posting.
Kendo guy should use his distance and long range attacks like Tsuki and others because Southeast asian styles are known for very close attacks.Going close to Kali Escrima is like touching an electric fan with your finger.
Rabin Espanio I practice escrima and still that would be easy for the escrima guy because stabbing is easy to counter with side step invades leaving the kendo guy completely open to be attacked inside close. Stabbing is the least thing he could do trust me. Escrima will always win in this type of battle with a skilled escrima guy even versus an skilled kendo guy. The amount of time to strike with a large kendo boken leaves the kendo guy open. It is just a mismatch in styles. Escrima sticks are faster and have the advantage of parring and attacking at the same time.
+Rabin Espanio unless they study Larga Mano
@@generalzod8400 If an eskrima dude met a guy studying kenjutsu, the outcome would be different, for kenjutsu, like eskrima, are martial arts, unlike kendo, which is just a sport devoid of all martial arts.
@@generalzod8400 i practiced arnis. It generally depends on both the fighters and the overall situation.
@@Arcana437 definitely the most logical and best comment I've seen in this comment section so far.
Someone do a lightsaber edit
+Donald Sison that would be awesome! XD
+Donald Sison haha, great ideia
camera guy, you had one job!
+J Nice (OfficerJeerYin) hes a fan of wes anderson
He can still replace the cameraman from "The Office"
And he failed.
One of the things I notice when watching a lot of these videos is that the victors usually really boil down on two factors: skill level and movement. When watching a lot of HEMA vs Kendo/Kenjutsu videos it's pretty noticeable that Longsword wielders tend to be more quick/agile and go for more wild, fluid movements whereas the Katana wielders tend to stay in a pretty static position. That is not to say that the Katana wielders dont move around, they definitely do, but their body isn't as animated as their Longsword counterparts and for the most part pretty stiff (at least from my perception) giving Longsword wielders an easier time controlling the center. When looking at HEMA vs Escrima or Kendo/Kenjutsu vs Escrima videos, one things pretty noticeable as well and that it's Escrima fighters have a really easy time breaking through defenses and getting up close and personal. I've never practiced Escrima (or Kendo/Kenjutsu, I've only practiced HEMA, double irony considering the fact that I'm Filipino) but going under the assumption that Escrima fighters are more used to fights that are really close quarters, Longsword users and Katana users tend to have a hard time keeping up with the Escrima fighters who tend to bypass the length of the swords, perhaps because they don't have the reach advantage. Once again, not that either style doesn't have a way to deal with up and personal fighters. In HEMA we have Ringen which is basically grappling and disarming techniques that are used in conjunction with the sword once the length of the blade has been bypassed. I'm sure Kendo/Kenjutsu has something like that too, though I don't know what it's called. Anyway just putting in my thoughts.
Eskrima won this one but as stated neither practitioner was amazing. Interesting video.
NXK Martial Arts It's interesting how styles match up. It's kind of interesting how on the street, 9/10 times Krav Maga guys smash MMA fighters. I guess the focus on "ringmanship" makes it too unrealistic for the streets. Sad really.
+James Mueller
Oh... don't you dare to doubt MMA fighters. That might be a can of worms you did not want to open. MMA fan boys are the worst. ;)
Kendo guy drew first blood with a solid strike to the head. Imo that beats whatever slashing spam got laid down afterwards. If we had a gun fight and i shot someone once in the head in 2 seconds with a .45 the fact that the other guy would have landed 30 .22 hits to the torso after is a moot point. Also krav maga guys dont win any fights "on the street" a better fighter is better. What most martial arts dojo sensei types don't mention is that extensive training only gives you a slight edge. If two guys go at it to kill the bigger faster stronger more aggressive guy wins. Krav teaches aggresiveness above all else so i guess that gives a certain advantage but an equally agressive fighter with practical skills will win out all other things being equal.
I would pay a lot of money and respect for the guys that instead of coment show me a video of they fighting , i allways see the coment of "isn't good enough" or "he is unskilled" but never a video in response of their "how its done for real"
You're spot on with that comment
Neither practitioner is good enough to represent their disciple. However, I can someone get the idea of how it might go. Don't forget, Kendo is like the sports version of samurai sword fighting. Just like how Muay Boran became Muay Thai.
One strike from a Japanese swordsman and not Kendo practitioner and you can get your body cut in half. But if Eskrima catches the sword at close range, there's a possibility of it being Eskrima's turn to attack all the way.
So it's multiple strikes vs one strike. In boxing, it's kind of like a swarmer vs slugger/boxer-puncher match up.
I meant to say "not good enough to represent either art"
Devilonthebay Yep you can defintely figure that one out. Neither of those practioners (at that time) knew enough of their arts to execute, but it was fun watching a little of it.
*****
I heard Muay Thai is the sport form of Muay Boran but I've never heard of Krabi Krabong. I'm definitely going to check that one out.
Devilonthebay The thing is, the Eskrimador could represent a 16th century European duelist armed with a parrying dagger and a rapier.
And for the love of god, a Katana/Weabookashi is just an overrated saber. Kendo loses.
+sienna three Ok. At least he's moving. I know that movement. Seen it many of times while training with Paul Vunak. Now of course, Paul didn't move like that, but his beginner students did. I'm thinking that both artist have grown after watching this footage over and over again (half beat striking, zoning straight to taiyada footwork w/strikes and controlling the side "center-line").
I like eskrima so much because of it beautiful flow
Kendo guy needs to stop respecting kendo strike zones :P
Cha4k yeah should have use those slashing thing they do on the bamboo dummies.
Nice. Thanks for sharing. I think the escrima guy was pushed around a bit and had less control over how the fight played out, but he used exactly the right strategy in the clashes and I would say he won this hands down because of it. In defence of the kendo guy, obviously he isn't trained in fighting someone with two sticks/swords which is why the escrimador can so easily check the shinai with one stick while landing a strike with the other, and even if the kendoka lost most exchanges I think he had pretty good footwork and managed to put good preassure on his opponent by cutting of his angles etc (at a distance I mean). He is probably not bad at kendo-it's just that the skills relevant to kendo are not optimized for fighting a decently skilled dual-wielding escrimador.
More generally, I think the escrimador looked good over all, but tbh the other guy looks a bit slow for a kendoka. They can have extremely fast, explosive attacks with zero telegraphing, but this guy was fairly easy to read which I think the escrimador used very well. But this too could be a result of how different the escrimador is compared to a standard kendo opponent. They tend to stand fairly still and move more linearly as opposed to the constant floating in bladed FMA. That probably makes it difficult for the kendoka to launch his attacks with the timing and precision he has trained for.
I would be interested to know what kind of escrima this guy has been training. With the longer distance and more explosive finishes it looks kind of like good ol' Latosa escrima.
Escrima guy isn't using proper footwork among other things and the Kendo guy seems inexperienced overall... they'd probably have to switch armor/body protectors so they don't hold back so much as in this video and treat each other like targets from their own discipline.
Kettz yeah the escrima guy is dancing like bruce lee. The foot should be steady and always pointing forward. Anyway what are doing here umaru chan?
Cameraman: For God sake, can you please fight at one place....
sticks and stones may break mah bones.. but this nigga would have been dead within 10 seconds if guy had 2 blades instead
lol XD
Nah bru escrima is the most advanced blade system in the world
yeah its so advanced.. that they use STICKS!!!!!!!!!!! not blades genius........
the sticks can also be treated as a blade. Much of the same movements and strikes are designed to be used as both.
You can take the sticks in his hand and say they are katanas... it still applies.
You realize they use blades in escrima, not only sticks. Albeit, the sticks can represent blades
Its called Jodan no kamae and it is one of two stances commonly used in Kendo. It usually only used by advanced practitioners who specialize in that stance. The person here does not have good Kendo at the time of this video and has no business using this stance. Just search "Kendo Jodan" on youtube to see how powerful this stance can be.
Clearly...the kendo gay didnt learn a thing or two about Hiten Mitsurugi-ryū.
becaz, hiten mitsurugi-ryu doesn't exist.
When you have only one long sword and your opponent have two shorter swords, you can't initiate a full frontal attack, because one blade can only parry one blade, so the opposant second blade will cut you.
In this kind of situation, you have to manage to use the only advantage you have : the superior length of your blade. Feinting, creating an oppening then striking while moving backward in order to be the only one within striking range. That's the best strategy to go with here.
Those sticks can represent blades. As you can imagine, two blades are better than one. Hurt the hand then go for the kill. That means the guy with more blades has a better chance, since he can parry with one then cut with the other. It'll be over in a few seconds if it were a real fight. Of course, there are other factors, such as luck and skill, that can affect the outcome.
Not neccessarily. I don't do Escrima but HEMA and we practice occasionally langes messer (+ buckler or dagger) vs. longsword, staff or poleaxe. In my experience, if the guy with the longer weapon knows what he is doing, it is really tough to come into hitting distance without beeing hit first.
Awesome video. Two arts showcased fairly, exposing both their advantages and disadvantages.
bad display from both fighters although in a real life and death situation it'll put all my year's salary on eskrima. kendo is a highly disciplined and confined martial art and one will easily see its impracticality in streets while eskrima is extremely versatile as it covers free hand; short, medium and long range weapons or any combination of them. lose your sword in kendo and its done.
depends on the practitioner. but I do like eskrima.
Of course! It would be quite idiotic to call kendo a self defense martial art. It's mere discipline and body/mind cultivation.
dharmdevil then don't lose your sword. Also, samurai used kendo as one of their main martial arts, and they're covered in thick metal armor, so they're not in sheets.
I've seen how they do Arnis in the 50's here in RUclips and they were so ferocious. It looked nothing like this. It was so fast and they actually try to deflect strikes. Deflect strikes and attack real fast. I would imagine that if a single strike from a single sword gets deflected all That kendo practitioners could do is cry.
@@theheronoonegivesashitabou3459
- I wonder if you practice Arnis yourself. Since i really want to see how you deflect 2 hands strike with 1 hand and also deal a finish blow with another hand. I really means it because many tried and failed, maybe you are different. Unless you have light sabers that can instant kill anything it touch.
- Also that "Deflect" is not your special move, all martial art have it, so please don't talk about it like it is magical invincible move. About dual wield, through history, dual weapon were considered superior but not many people practice it because it's extremely hard to master, most user gave up halfway and switch to single weapon.
- Also you assume Kendo is a gentle/peaceful art just from watching this friendly match. I would love to see you kick those guys ass with your Arnis. ruclips.net/video/LHNPoSBJvn8/видео.html
They are fighting and engaging exactly as they have been trained.
Jodan? Seriously? The guy can't even get a decent chuudan and he does jodan. What a show-off. Eskrima guy kicked his ass.
To quote one of the Masters, it's not the style it's the stylist. Kudos to both fighters for getting in there and testing themselves.
This is awesome. I feel like some of the losses the kendoka experienced spring from escrima still being somewhat a highly practical art, whereas kendo has been vetted *for* kendo, and thus lost some of the practical edge kenjutsu would have had (for instance keeping the shinai up after striking to the head, he suffered a few body blows from it). That is more a form thing, it'd have no place in a swordfight. I'm not strictly saying 'escrima is more practical then kendo' however, I don't have enough experience in both to say that.
Just some thoughts, not what I percieve as true.
I just think the Escrima guy was more athletic. That's usually what this kinda shit boils down to.
I agree, I was just talking from a stylistic aspect. The literal skill and energy from the swordsmen in question I wasn't paying much heed to when I thought about it.
Rhys Sinclair The guy using Kendo was doing some preparations,or raising is sword high leaving him an easy opening.I do not know much about Kendo,but look again and see how he got himself and easy opening.
Rhys Sinclair Eskrima is a proven sword art through some recent(ish) wars, in the Philippine-American War it was so effective against the .38 Long Colt it directly led to the 1911 .45 ACP being developed to give them the rounds and stopping power to stop them advancing. Example: an American serviceman was decapitated by a Moro warrior even after he emptied his .38 Long Colt into him. But you are totally right the sword edge techniques have been lost to the masses, I'm sure there are decendents of the of the military class and Daiymo's Clans that kept there Sword Arts in secret to be more refined and our of honor, being they were the only one's allowed to carry sword legally after the Haitōrei Edict.
Jody Wannamaker
I think it's less that the art made that particular swordsman strong and more that the swordsman was a badass lol. I got my Filipino pride and appreciate the arts of my heritage but I'd be careful - it's easy to romanticize old styles and water them down with impracticality. The military in the 'pines train with a very very utilitarian, aggressive Kali style now that basically involves practicing swinging your machete(s) as hard and fast as possible with none of that fancy practice tapping bullshit, literally just swing those motherfuckers down across the body while moving.
My grandfather fought the Japanese during the great war. He acquired a Nambu pistol, a Katana and a skull. The skull belongs to the former owner of the pistol and the Katana. We used it as a candle holder. I still have the Nambu (it is hard to find an 8mm bullet) and the skull. The Katana was sold years ago by my uncle to get high.
so i wonder if the samurai used the katana and another shorter sword, and the phillipinos used machetes would the samurai draw his second sword or stick to just one??given that the kali guy had 2 machetes instead of sticks.
the shorter sword samurais carry, are largely symbolic and are barely drawn, some don't even have functional edges, besides, the samurai are already a force to be reckoned with armed with one sword
Possible, but the eskrimador would have the advantage, given the katana is meant to be wielded with two hands. Makes more sense to stick with what you know
***** escrima is bullshit. You all focused on practicing all this fancy "machine gun" strikes that are useless in a real fight. Most of the sparring I've seen of escrima look like there is no technique what so ever. Only waving of sticks around.
Emanuel Paredes Try studying some escrima and you'll quickly realise the practical applications of the techniques - they apply to not just sticks but open hand, knives, swords.. If it were bullshit, I don't think it would have been quite so successful against the Spanish!
stormdetonation85 the continental army was nowhere near as powerful as the English navy yet they still won. Escrima looks much like kung fu to me. Very flashy, but holds very little potential in a real fight. I practice boxing. In boxing we actually have matches that are very close to a real fight.
The escrimador was taught well. He intercepted every attack of the Kendo practitioner. Some may say that was because he had 2 sticks, if he had 1 the results would have been better for the escrimador.
Kendo guy was a fool exposing himself like that.
Royale no he was trying to follow the rules of kendo, a sport rather than a combative art
Kendo is not only the practice of chudan-no-kamae (the standard stance with the standard shinai representing a katana) but also nito (a slightly shorter shinai and a much smaller shinai used for blocking), jodan-no-kamae (stance with the shinai raised above the head), and naginata (uses a sort of long spear-like shinai). There is variety in both arts :)
lmao now everyone is a sword artist.
A pre-set attack by the kendo fighter is like a baseball batter set to swing. This makes it easy for the kali fighter to predict the angle of attack when it happens and therefore setting up his own block followed by a counter attack.
Not a good Kendo
It's cool how you can see the advantages and disadvantages of having one or two weapons here, like how a two-handed weapon strike can overpower one-hand weapons and how having two weapons be used in striking and parrying simultaneously.
the Camara guy operates at 1.5 seconds before real time.
he couldn't keep up with the normal speed of the martial artists lol
I wonder if it had turned out differently if the kali guy was wearing a chest/stomach protector, allowing for a more varied set of attacks?
en el video... Escrima win.
The fact that Escrima does so well here isn't surprising. Anyone whose read the book of five rings will know that one of the greatest Japanese swordsmen Miyamoto Musashi used both his katana and his personal sword. Having two swords might be more complicated but in theory it gives you more options.
All these dislikes. Why do I have a feeling that almost all of these came from weaboos. Hahaha.
Spider Man nah, bro, it probably came from people like me, who just think that the cameraman didn't do his job at all, lol
The camera man is the most annoying in this video, though, i think this is an awesome match.
"HAH! I HAVE TWO STICKS THAT ARE MUCH FASTER THAN YOUR HEAVY SWORD!" -slice- "Oh..."
the guy with the shinai(kendo) is lifting the shinai in a wrong way. It should be straight.
Straight, point opponent throat and not act like having parkinson...
two beautiful well trained competitors, they also both excellent and very cordeal.
Congratulations to both of them
thats not the way to play escrima
There's more than one way of practicing Arnis
As a weapons and martial arts guy, this was a lot of fun to watch. Thank you.
@LordKaseem Sticks are just as deadly as swords. Blunt force trauma can kill you just as easily as a cut can. The reason we developed edged weapons like swords was to cut through armor.
The U.S. Marines wore leather straps around their necks during this war, hence they were called leather necks.
My art also influenced other arts like boxing, Jeet Kune Do, Keysi Fighting System, MCNAP, & Krav Maga.
It is currently being used by Navy Seals, SAS, U.S. M.C. and other police & military forces around the world.
It is called the most practical knife fighting technique in the world by many M.A. experts.
The skrema guy could have disarm the kendo guy, in the first 5 seconds
Kendo guy is nit a professional. He is just only trying to attack head. But kendo is supposed to design to cut enemies hands(kote) first with more small movements.
Love these comparison videos I think it comes down to skill always. Who is faster or better at their MA. But having said that...you could have heavier escrima sticks...which would then smash the kendo "sword".
Escrima is also more "practical". You can grab any two sticks you find and use them as Escrima sticks. How often do you see guys walking around in full Kendo garb or just with the bamboo sword? :)
Actually, sideswords were used for cutting, rapier were only sharpened near the tip, and a bit down the blade. A sidesword was created for the use against an armored opponent that a rapier couldn't really match up against. Rapier did have cuts however, namely draw cuts, where you pull back your arm with the first bit of the blade drawn across the opponent (hence the name). All classical manuals will show you this.
Oh really where? I want to check em out when I come there.
Hahaha it was really funny watching the guy get tsuki'd over and over again. The sensei kept re-bending his shinai after a bunch of tsukis lol. Thanks!
i'm a filipino and i'm proud of my country's martial arts technique.. the eskrima..
Wow. That looked like a lot of fun. Good competitive spirit. 2 people who care about what they are learning. Fun to watch. :)
@wakerofwind88 impressiv, Sir.
It´s not the style, it´s the man behind the weapon.
We´re fighting all of above and found, that those having most experience in
multible weapon fighting experience are those, who survive.
Fighting is not about weapons and styles - fighting is about understanding and adoption.
But this is only the opinion of a passionate fighter ...
°v°
holding the sword over your head seems like the single worst possible stance you could take...? can someone explain the reasoning?
@Hell6125
it has many names, they called it 2 short stick, we called the weapon anis de mano, escrima is a style using different kind of blade like balisong, swords etc...
One of the principles of FMA is Defang the Snake. We don't usually disarm when we can do heavy damage to the hands. If it is a sword fight, we will attack the hands (or legs) then later attack the head and torso.
Wow! that was very, very cool! I'm a thai boxer but looking to do a weapon martial art, whats the dual weapon style called in this video? Guessing from the comments it's escrima??? whatever it is I want to give it a go :)
Kendo is an offensive type of self defense while eskrima is a defensive type so if you noticed, the eskrimador is actually just doing mostly counter attacks
Saying Arnis (or Eskrima) is a defensive type of martial art is very misleading.
It depends on situation, really. If there was distance between the swordsman and the dagger-wielder, for example, a castle courtyard, the swordsman has the overwhelming advantage. He has space to retreat to get some distance and space to swing that longer sword. If both are trapped, however, in a tight corridor, the advantage is reversed. Swordsman has limited distance to retreat, cramped quarters make swinging impractical.
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Jahrakhal vs Yurnero
There have been very nice to watch how the various martial arts fighting each other.
=)
@Jetman123 says who?, double stick, or double bolo is just the same. I use sticks, bolo, and kampilan, some styles like mine use the kampilan that is slightly shortest than a katana as well, but single kampilan or kampilan and dagger
it originated in the Philippines.
the eskrimador did pretty good. there were a few trap and attack pairings that he pulled off well. which is classic eskrima. although i am interested to know which school it is that taught him to wave his arms like that.
it is obvious the kendo practitioner took it a little easy on thim though "for what ever reason".
The answer to the dual wielding thing is that a single weapon gives you a lot more control and raw power than dual wielding and a stronger "centerline" guard as opposed to the spaced guard given by dual wielding. If you've ever sparred with weapons and used a dual weapon like tonfa you've probably had the experience of a kendo guy or longsword fencer smashing his way through your guard. There are two ways to getting past a guard - wear it down (guys bigger than you favor this) or you slide in
its not about what the discipline you are using,its person using it..but if you learned escrima its basically learning a lot of hand held weapons like swords,knife,nanchakus and a lot more..
Lol philippine martial art don't used nunchucks that's bruce Lee man :))
filipino martial arts uses whatever is available at hand.
glenn galarosa Lmao! dumb dumbs
@Thegamerprodigyxj The fighter with the single bambo stick designed to look like a sword is practicing Kendo, it is a Japanese sword-fighting sport. The one with the two bambo sticks is using an art called Kali or Arnis or Ercima, that is a Filipino stick-fighting art that became a sport. This video, Kendo vs Escrima, is sort of a "when sports collide" kind of thing.
Nice! I like seeing the escrima guy using angles to pick apart the kendo guy in those lock ups.
The good thing with Arnis, if you are unarmed you can use the empty hand technique.
With a single sword, you are to cut inside the attack, putting your blade into your enemy while also putting in between their blade and you.
You don't tire out faster using 2 weapons. Viking shields weigh in the 9 lb range and don't bother you much if you have had a bit of time getting used to them.
in eskrima training and demonstrations they use sticks as substitute for bolo or blades. as you progress as a student you will learn ways to use sticks as a weapon or just about anything in the background. we dont usually have swords.
interesting match, one can only imagine the carnage CQB was back in the day of bladed weapons.
@hikitsuzuku Btw Master of the Universe, where are your fighting videos? Show them to the world Master-Blaster...
that's true too. but the point was they used swords and would use them if the opponent used a live blade as well. because the stick has been the hallmark of training, people sometimes believe that those were the things used in actual combat.
Most of the weapons making were also kept secret. But unlike the Katana, we put poisonous oil in our specialized blades. Some are quick acting, while most just prevents proper healing of wounds. Some of the blades were also tempered with poison. So an antique Kris can still be potent. We also have the concealed carry weapons like the Balisong, Karambit and Dulo Dulo. The technic is similar to boxing when using them.
May I ask what country are you from?
These guys were so good, they disappeared from the visible spectrum XD
I am surprised the Kendo guy didn't go for tsuki strikes....
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In my final final conclusion that's basically it...
As someone stated already, the sticks have been traditionally used in place of live blades during practice. Akin to the shinai being representative of an actual katana. In actual combat, ancient Eskrimadors fought with actual swords.
Good fight. Two weapons will always give you an advantage.
Why would guy with sword strike down when other guy is already defending that position?
@INTHEHONOROFROCK It depends on the style of FMA. Yes, sticks can be replaced by bolos, but not all stick techniques can be extrapolated to blades (ie strickig techniques, grabbing sticks and some tie-ups). Most of your "older" styles of FMA are blade based and it shows with the way they teach strikes, blocks and disarming.
@Ranziel1 I did both fencing and Kendo..I don't feel fencing masks are made to protect the head from hard beating coming from top of the head. They are made for taking the stabs from the front and Foil/Espee/Sabre will actually bend.
The sticks are used for practice and competition only (for obvious reasons). We can use any weapons we can find and even fight empty hand. One of the principles of my art is "one technique, many weapons". We Filipinos have a variety of swords too. There was even a documented case where a U.S. Marine armed with a .38 revolver was beheaded by a Moro during the Filipino- U.S. war. That is the reason there was a request for a .45 cartridge.
this video make me realize that our culture martial arts are pretty good like Japanese martial arts
before this goes, im voting for escrima
great job to that guy! he actually knew how to use escrima against a one-bladed opponent, and knew how to block the obvious attacks from the ceiling with a roof block. Im very pleased with this video :P