I want to thank you for speaking up. I was just skimming RUclips and I was about bord with the first guys sparing, and I was about to click away when I read your comment and clicked over to see the last guys fighting.. Good GAUD!...that big guy was hitting so hard he was knocking down trees!
I gotta say, I'm loving the comment section full of Very Opinionated People, all talking about how things would be "in a real fight". On a video of an exhibition match. Which, kind of by definition, isn't a real fight. Good work guys, you all look very tough.
+Louis Darilla Going to have to disagree with you there actually. Employers theses days aren't just looking for grades and qualifications. If you were competing for a job with someone who is the same as you in almost every way (qualifications and all) but they're a Kendoka, guess what: you're probably not the one getting that job. Being a part of any kind of martial art shows that you have a lot of self-discipline, focus and often confidence. It's also a bit of an insurance policy for when it's the Christmas party and somebody's pissed off the wrong person but is too drunk to notice.
Secil Nolan exactly. getting good grades is not an amazing feat. doing extra activities like martial arts and charity, volunteer work will boost your resume a very good amount
Isyraq Abu Bakar On the contrary, at least in this matchup. The naginata has an inherent advantage of having a longer reach, so the person with a shinai already has a disadvantage. Now, if you close the distance, then the shinai will trump the naginata.
Great video. I enjoy the look at mixed weapon sparring. The swordsman seems to have a much easier time closing the distance here than one might expect, then again humans are fast creatures over close distance.
It's fascinating how the rules completely change how the game is played. So many strikes would have certainly been deadly or at least grievous wounds if they were using real blades. The rules however dictate extreme quality of strikes and limited hit boxes so defense can be as little as moving so that you're hit somewhere other than a point zone. I will say it lends greatly to the aesthetic of the fighting. You rarely see such clean fencing in western martial arts. Most likely due to the fact that the quality of blow is rarely judged, only the making of it and almost everything is a valid target.
I recall that I read somewhere most recorded samurai duels were decided by minutes of circling followed by one stroke. Although stylized, perhaps this is not so unrealistic.
+jivenesspie Essentially, sport. Same thing as in fencing, where to the naked eye, both fencers have thrusted into each other at the same time, in reality both would have lost since they would die, except 1 'wins' because his blade contacted first. The thing here was that the guy probably either did not strike a countable area, did not call them out, or used a move that is not considered legally counting, even though it might have wounded or killed the opponent in a real fight..
@@igorabdoaguilar9331 I suspect the judge was a kendo sensei, given the way he made the naginata players bow (kendo method, not naginata), so he'll be more aware of kendo strikes. As a naginata player, I felt there were a few Sune cuts that went home clean that weren't counted, but then I'm always biased for the naginata player! :)
they are so worried about the scoring system and keeping in the correct stance ...its kinda painful to see the naginata guy hitting and the kendo guy just not giving a fuck because that does not score.
BlackoutKalico Beta You are very correct. The guy with the naginata should have been more forceful to prove his strikes but he would get disqualified for being violent and unsportsmanly.
BlackoutKalico Beta kendo is all about the stetics. its not just being better than your opponent, you gotta follow the rules for fighting to score in a match. it develops autodiscipline and makes a more consistent training.
I'm not an expert at this, but the rules seem to favor the kendo practitioners. Points only count from the tip to the white part, so they only need to move forward to cancel the reach advantage. Hitting someone with the bottom or middle of your weapon won't count as points, although in real life that can bludgeon a person hard. This is sport, not battle, so the sword users won't die if they get hit in a way that won't count as points. From what I understand, spears like the naginata had more of the advantage on the field, especially on horseback. This is close combat with sports rules so sword users get an advantage. Well, these are observations from a beginner, I bet experts can find ways even with all of life's disadvantages stacked against them.
Kyle Pandapatan well 1 the naginata is not a spear, it’s a Japanese pole arm, and 2 there were plenty of clean sweeps and hits with the blade part of the naginata, my guess is that they must have just thought there wasn’t enough force in those strikes to call it a point, even though in their own dojo or wherever they practice they probably would have called them points
thats because the strike points are designed for the shinai (sword) the only points that count are the men(head) kote (hands) do (side of chest) and tsuki (throat) the naginata is only really good for hitting the throat in that situation but its easily deflected by the shinai
@@Chownz This is a rough Google translation of what they said, I hope it helps? - "I do care. Were you able to return or did the pandemic prevent it?" I also want to say that I totally relate to your comment, ignore the unnecessary hate from those other comments. Anyways, it's been years because of the pandemic and I hope to return to my dojo one day too :)
Everytime I check these kind of videos, I see comments about people crying about ''This is not realistic'' ''Real battles were nothing like this''. It's a sport, and it is not supposed to be alike to real battle...most of the armed martial arts derived from techniques, but are changed today in order to apply them as pure sports. It is not supposed to be reconstitution, it is supposed to be a sport, pure and simple. One such exemple that I know of is Iaido. It was called Iaidojutsu back in the days, but was changed to Iaido when they made it a sport, because it changed. That is the case for most martial arts, so I fail to see why people still find it in themselves to complain?
Prob one of a handful of kendo exhib videos I really liked. The first kendoka I thought did very well at misdirecting the naginata closiing space and countering very fast and accurate. Thx for sharing
In Kendo you have to be very specific where you hit and how you hit for the point to count. The Naginata's strikes were certainly deadly in a real fight but for the sport, it doesn't count as a point.
It's like a "gaurd" against a grapple in standing unarmed styles like Judo, Aikido, and Jiujutsu; any shift in weight or footwork will cause subtle changes in hand, and, by extention, weapon position. By getting that close to eachother and locking weapons, they're able to feel that shift and thereby gain advance warning of an impending attack; it also hampers the opponent's movement. This is particularly advantageous for the Katana weilder, as it keeps him inside the Naginata's longer reach
I get very excited watching this! A wonderful showing of martial arts that just brightened my very early morning. Or is it a late night? You tell me, it's 12:30
I have absolutely no clue what the fuck is going on right now but at 2 in the morning on break because of the coronavirus, I am not surprised I ended up on this side of youtube.
BloodofPatriots I would personally choose the naginata but the katana does have the edge in durability since the naginata has a wooden handle that the katana could easily cut up close, but then again the naginata (normally) has a heavier blade so going blade to blade the naginata is the stronger weapon. I used to fight in period fighting tournaments and I personally always chose the pole arms (halberd) for the extra reach and momentum, the trick is learning to use both ends and even the shaft to keep the opponent off balance.
Jared Thibodaux Some naginata's actually used a "recycled" katana blade. So imagine a samurai trying to even get close enough to cut that wooden pole with a katana when there's a blade of equal length sticking out of the end. I trained with the staff for a while and my favorite target was the ankle. I'm sure you know why since you did period fighting.
comandosespeciales Range. A naginata can kill from three times the range of a katana. The most effective technique is to sweep the legs then slash back and forth. The katana is on defense the entire time because it can't even touch the holder of the naginata.
1st match, Kendo guy (White) 2nd match, Kendo guy (White) 3rd match is a tie The judge flag's represent each participant (matching the colors of the ribbons in their back, in red and white), and when a point (Ippon) is scored, the judge rises the correspondant flag to let know who scored, and in the case of the second match, who won even when only one Ippon was scored. The first one in scoring two Ippon wins.
+Adikshith Ojha It's known as kiai, which is essentially a battle cry. Naginata and kendo are in essence martial arts which require spirit, and mental awareness as well as physical readiness. The Kiai (yelling) is part of the mental awareness and also serves as intimidation for your opponent. Plus, as mentioned below, once you hit the part, you yell it to show the judges that you think you scored a point.
+READComment1 I dont know about this,but for the purposes of most Japanese martial arts, the "shouts" are Kiai and serve a couple different purposes: Contracts the diaphragm and chest which can allow you to take a hit better. Puts extra "energy" behind the strike as it causes you to focus on the moment of impact. Shows "spirit" when in competition. Shows where strong strikes would be during kata. Can catch opponents off guard if they are anticipating it or don't know what to expect. Depending upon the situation they can also act as a battle cry in some ways but I haven't heard that explanation for them given at the dojo. in goju-ryu karate our sensei explained that it also allows him to be sure you are breathing, as a fair number of people when starting out seem to have trouble remembering to breathe throughout a technique,we also does this in taek won do as well
alex febrianoo All excellent points! Yes, a kiai can help add energy behind a strike. This requires training though, as many beginners will yell for the sake of kiai, so the strike and kiai end up being separate. Experimenting with different yells to find your "characteristic" one that is most "in sync" with your body movements during a strike takes time. It usually requires testing out different kiai sounds, pitch, etc...
well in karate, my sensei used to teach us we have to yelling (kiai) to put extra energy in every move(also break down the mental's opponent). but i can't do that so out loud lol
I come bsck to this video every now and then, and given youtube (and recording software) allows us to, not only watch at 0.25x speed, but also record and replay frame by frame, the last 2 frames of 1:53 and first frame of 1:54 you see the end of the naginata bend. It's a point for White, they just didn't call it. I don't know how scoring works, but given the reverse has happened, Black has always gotten the point. It's just frustrating to keep seeing this occur in different events across Japan.
i don't know if they were supposed to stand in grapple range at the end (it says exhibition in the title), but the naginataka (if that'S waht you call the fighters) did really not make good use of their reach advantage ...
+Kalmon salmon In the U.S. finding a Naginata school may be very difficult. I spent a few minutes looking around on google for one in my state and it seems there is only one here. So in the US its probably very unlikely that there would be cross training. When I was doing Kendo I had never seen any naginataka come in. We would get other kendoka from other schools come in, that is somewhat common. Perhaps in Japan its more common. I wouldn't mind cross training with naginata.
+Kalmon salmon It's more common for them to face off against each other in Japan, where Naginata is mostly practiced by females. They tend to have female Naginata teams play against male Kendo teams. There's quite a few videos of the shiai on youtube, they're interesting matches. Naginata is still quite rare outside of Japan, which is a shame.
the kendoka can only charge into the naginataka because this is sports. if it comes to real battle one cannot blindly charge into enemy zone of control without minding one's own life. but put this thing aside, the video is quite interesting. i also want to see some gedan kendo stance duels.
Hey dudes I made this long thing with a blade at the end. Oh how are you gonna use the length? Oh I think I'll just get as close as possible after the first strike.
im not an expert in that so i ask why they stand Hand on Hand and weapon on weapon right next to each other without doing anything and why does the Girl with naginata jump in the air when whe makes bigger attacks ?
The beginning where the Kendo guy went into sonkyo position and the Naginata fella just sorta bent not knowing what was goin' on had me laughing. Also, that one reason to learn how to use Gedan no kamae lol
If they didn't have the rules, the Naginata would win every time. Pole arms are VASTLY superior to swords in combat. This is a fact. Not only is it harder and takes longer to train a swordsmen, but they aren't as effective on the battlefield.
***** There's a reason spears were used on battlefields far more often than swords. They have greater reach, greater killing potential, and they are easier to use/train. Swords were the TERTIARY weapon of medieval combat (for both Europe and Japan) - the spear and the bow both came before the sword, as they have more reach and are therefor superior, in the same way guns, with their greater reach, are superior to spears and swords. As you have stated, in towns etc, nobles/knights would carry swords, but that was more to show their status and to duel each other. When wartime comes, it's all spears. Also, "slapping your polearm away" with a shield is really not as easy as you seem to be saying. Even if you were to deflect a stab attempt, a spear man can just as quickly reset his stance as a swordsman. If you want to test it, take a stick and a piece of wood to use as a sword/shield, and have a friend take a 3-4 meter long stick to use as a spear, and try to close the distance and stab him before he can stab you. You will find that it's VERY difficult to fight off a spear with a sword, even if you have a shield. spears are not slow at all. These things aren't opinions - war strategy books, weapon manuals etc. of the time stressed spear use in battle over sword use.
+Regal Render and so what about when swords could cut down the pole arms and take away all range of the weapon, fight better in a cramped battlefield AND was the weapon of choice for the legendary Miyamoto Musashi
+Regal Render well of course, a line of spearmen could never be broken by swordsmen, though the sword was more of a "last resort" option, i think you relied on your archers, cavalry and spearmen infantry mostly, though in close encounters like castles you had an advantage with sword, you could easily hide your sword behind you and feint your enemy, theres a few kata with interesting techniques for that
Swords, like the longswords of the west and katana and its accompaniment the wakizashi or tanto, are sidearms. Things you can carry on your side. Were you beset by bandits or assassins, you are more likely to have your sidearm with you, given that you can carry it with you at all times on your side, like a handgun. Likewise, your bandit or assassin probably would have a sword with him too, unless he's too poor, had a stealth advantage with a knife instead or had a weapon stashed nearby. Now, a spear, would be akin to a rifle. It's not rocket science that a rifle beats a handgun in accuracy and range. But if you weren't expecting to be going to war at any moment, would you rather carry a rifle that weighs minimum 3kg or a handgun that weighs 500g? And all that bulk too? And the fact that there is no such thing as a rifle holster (slings don't count, you can't sling a spear anyway)? Also same thing, it takes much more training to use a handgun effectively than a rifle, but nobles and samurai had an awful lot of spare time since they didn't have farms to tend to so it doesn't really matter anyway. And also swords are as much weapon as badges of office in some cases. But I am with you in that the naginata would probably win most of the time.
You mean nito (two swords) vs itto (single sword). Nito and Itto have a lot of similarities, because eventually you are using a sword. Naginata however is a different weapon and a different martial art. However, the rules are similar to kendo, so engagement is possible
I would expect the Naginata players to go for the shins more often - probably the best way to catch a Kendo player off guard. Context: In Naginata, the shins are a valid strike zone, while in Kendo they aren't, so naturally Kendokas don't really know how to protect them.
I feel the spear user wasn't offensive enough. I'm sure you're suppose to be focusing on counter attacking for maximum effectiveness, but she/he isn't using that optimal range. That and the katana guy goin' in so ham, gotta love that shit
I really wish that the Naginata user would take more advantage of the weapon's range. He could be keeping serious distance between himself the Kendo guy, he has all the room in the world to do so. I know it's an exhibition and that these sports are more focused on form than practicality, but in reality the polearm user would dominate almost every time. Weapon has range, use it.
Those are exactly my thoughts. I don't know the naginata match rules but I watched other matches and it looks like that is not valid to pierce, or at least looks like they don't do it, It's a shame because with all that range the naginata user could hit his/her opponent from very afar. Maybe some naginata expert could tell us. I do not favor any weapon, I believe there is no superior weapon, it's the user the one who is better than the others, not the weapon.
For those who keep talking "real fights", kendo and probably the naginata, is obviosly a sport. Hint are the solid hits by the swoard beeing not scored, or the fact they dont mean to just touch the opponent like i would assume about hema.
The reason they do that is because they want to break each other's concentration giving them a chance to get a clean hit and show you are in control of the battle
valkaek The thing to remember about these sports is that they are sports. This results in there being certain practices that must be followed. In kendo the center must be taken, seme, and one may not attack without these. Neither of these is an actual self defense sport, just a sport. To ask that is like asking why offside is a thing in ball sports. Note this is not meant to be offensive, merely informative. If it is offensive to you then I am sorry.
I think the scoring system needs some work here, or at least in that particular match, for there were times when the guy with the pole axe (I know that's not exactly accurate) was hitting the guy with the sword and yet the judge did not notice. Perhaps electronic scoring would do better.
What I never get about these displays is why the Naginata keeps getting used to make sweeping cuts, even out of the bind. You would never do that against a sword as it breaks your threat and allows them to close range. The big guy kept it much tighter though, would hesitate to try moving in on him.
RedHerald It's because those types of strikes would be lethal. If you strike someone in the legs, not only are they bleeding to death, they can't move, so you can stab them from a good range for a spear, and it just leaves you with the responsibility of knocking them down to stab them.
I kinda feel like the scoring weren't made completely clear or maybe the first Naginata user just weren't too experienced in sparing, it seemed like she thought the fight was over like 2 or 3 times when she had hit her opponent.
The big guy with the turquoise dō at the end is the Final Boss of Naginata.You don't get the real ending unless you beat him.
I want to thank you for speaking up.
I was just skimming RUclips and I was about bord with the first guys sparing, and I was about to click away when I read your comment and clicked over to see the last guys fighting..
Good GAUD!...that big guy was hitting so hard he was knocking down trees!
I gotta say, I'm loving the comment section full of Very Opinionated People, all talking about how things would be "in a real fight". On a video of an exhibition match. Which, kind of by definition, isn't a real fight. Good work guys, you all look very tough.
Louis Darilla You went to one of those schools where everyone got an A for contributing, didn't you?
your life is a gimmick
+Louis Darilla yeah sure, knowing that mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell sure helped me become an accountant, thanks school.
+Louis Darilla
Going to have to disagree with you there actually. Employers theses days aren't just looking for grades and qualifications. If you were competing for a job with someone who is the same as you in almost every way (qualifications and all) but they're a Kendoka, guess what: you're probably not the one getting that job. Being a part of any kind of martial art shows that you have a lot of self-discipline, focus and often confidence. It's also a bit of an insurance policy for when it's the Christmas party and somebody's pissed off the wrong person but is too drunk to notice.
Secil Nolan exactly. getting good grades is not an amazing feat. doing extra activities like martial arts and charity, volunteer work will boost your resume a very good amount
Weapon triangle was a lie
lol
Isyraq Abu Bakar On the contrary, at least in this matchup.
The naginata has an inherent advantage of having a longer reach, so the person with a shinai already has a disadvantage. Now, if you close the distance, then the shinai will trump the naginata.
Are you talking about cavalry > swords > spears > cavalry?
Joseph Park It's a feature from the Fire emblem games.
It is Swords > Axes > Spears > Swords.
finalbossd i'm sure that joseph park was referring to shogun 2 total war game, bocz thats how it is in the game. XD
Great video. I enjoy the look at mixed weapon sparring. The swordsman seems to have a much easier time closing the distance here than one might expect, then again humans are fast creatures over close distance.
I think it is because the kendoka likely has more sparring time under his belt.
And it's not a real life situation so the threat of getting hit is not, therefore he can be more reckless
In my opinion, the best way to deal with someone who has a greater range than you is to close in.
@@michaeljosephdimaano2802 The problem is getting close in itself
Watch the 3 swords vs 1 spear match. That was amazing watching them move
It's fascinating how the rules completely change how the game is played. So many strikes would have certainly been deadly or at least grievous wounds if they were using real blades. The rules however dictate extreme quality of strikes and limited hit boxes so defense can be as little as moving so that you're hit somewhere other than a point zone. I will say it lends greatly to the aesthetic of the fighting. You rarely see such clean fencing in western martial arts. Most likely due to the fact that the quality of blow is rarely judged, only the making of it and almost everything is a valid target.
I recall that I read somewhere most recorded samurai duels were decided by minutes of circling followed by one stroke. Although stylized, perhaps this is not so unrealistic.
Kendo looks quite good in the Naginata leg armour
I see a lot of Naginata thrusts to the neck and feet sweeps, but seems like they don't count. What's the deal with that?
+jivenesspie Essentially, sport. Same thing as in fencing, where to the naked eye, both fencers have thrusted into each other at the same time, in reality both would have lost since they would die, except 1 'wins' because his blade contacted first. The thing here was that the guy probably either did not strike a countable area, did not call them out, or used a move that is not considered legally counting, even though it might have wounded or killed the opponent in a real fight..
@@SniperAngle12 bit there are several instances of a decent cut for naginata that just dont count o.0
@@igorabdoaguilar9331 I suspect the judge was a kendo sensei, given the way he made the naginata players bow (kendo method, not naginata), so he'll be more aware of kendo strikes. As a naginata player, I felt there were a few Sune cuts that went home clean that weren't counted, but then I'm always biased for the naginata player! :)
Sorry for the shaky cam at 0:49
they are so worried about the scoring system and keeping in the correct stance ...its kinda painful to see the naginata guy hitting and the kendo guy just not giving a fuck because that does not score.
BlackoutKalico Beta What do you mean? Whenever he gets hit he must play dead? What the fuck?
BlackoutKalico Beta You are very correct. The guy with the naginata should have been more forceful to prove his strikes but he would get disqualified for being violent and unsportsmanly.
rafhalimaxd haha yes exactly, he must play dead and burst into flames
BlackoutKalico Beta kendo is all about the stetics. its not just being better than your opponent, you gotta follow the rules for fighting to score in a match. it develops autodiscipline and makes a more consistent training.
Mngalahad yea i know...but i just dont like it XD
I'm calling it now, I felt there was a bias against the naginata wielders --_--
I'm not an expert at this, but the rules seem to favor the kendo practitioners. Points only count from the tip to the white part, so they only need to move forward to cancel the reach advantage. Hitting someone with the bottom or middle of your weapon won't count as points, although in real life that can bludgeon a person hard.
This is sport, not battle, so the sword users won't die if they get hit in a way that won't count as points. From what I understand, spears like the naginata had more of the advantage on the field, especially on horseback. This is close combat with sports rules so sword users get an advantage.
Well, these are observations from a beginner, I bet experts can find ways even with all of life's disadvantages stacked against them.
Kyle Pandapatan well 1 the naginata is not a spear, it’s a Japanese pole arm, and 2 there were plenty of clean sweeps and hits with the blade part of the naginata, my guess is that they must have just thought there wasn’t enough force in those strikes to call it a point, even though in their own dojo or wherever they practice they probably would have called them points
I thought that as well, particularly in the second fight.
thats because the strike points are designed for the shinai (sword) the only points that count are the men(head) kote (hands) do (side of chest) and tsuki (throat) the naginata is only really good for hitting the throat in that situation but its easily deflected by the shinai
9:01 that scream
‘Tis a cry that may strike fear into the hearts of hundreds
kendo: the way Asians prepare for the zombie apocalypse
YUP
lol
haha true
Mindboggler123 yupe your right 😝😝😝😝
Not exactly.
I miss attending Kendo at my local dojo..... One day I shall return...
k
Pervy_Sage who care
A mí sí me importa. ¿Pudiste volver ó la pandemia lo impidió?
@@jluistl apologies, I don't understand your language. sorry
@@Chownz This is a rough Google translation of what they said, I hope it helps? -
"I do care. Were you able to return or did the pandemic prevent it?"
I also want to say that I totally relate to your comment, ignore the unnecessary hate from those other comments. Anyways, it's been years because of the pandemic and I hope to return to my dojo one day too :)
nobushi vs orochi :O
Nobushi would win.
MrLazyHog every time
Lmao, I was actually thinking bout nobushi and was like. "I gotta see a naginata irl."
You can actually get one off amazon it's pretty cool
If Nobushi could be male I'd want it to be built like Saxton.
this crowd is kind of silent
if i was there i would be like
"HOLY SHIIT DID YOU SEE THAT !!!, IN THE FRIKING HEADD!!!"
. It’s a sign of respect.
Yeah, it's even automatic lose if you celebrate after you score a point.
Everytime I check these kind of videos, I see comments about people crying about ''This is not realistic'' ''Real battles were nothing like this''. It's a sport, and it is not supposed to be alike to real battle...most of the armed martial arts derived from techniques, but are changed today in order to apply them as pure sports. It is not supposed to be reconstitution, it is supposed to be a sport, pure and simple. One such exemple that I know of is Iaido. It was called Iaidojutsu back in the days, but was changed to Iaido when they made it a sport, because it changed. That is the case for most martial arts, so I fail to see why people still find it in themselves to complain?
am i the ONLY ONE who hears that fucking beeping?
No you are not onlusten one
+NDRE Someones lasagna is ready
photographers had some hard time focusing their cameras
Nope it annoyed me
Well. I am surprised at the kendo's effectiveness.
Well played.
This video is the reason why I can't get enough of RUclips
Prob one of a handful of kendo exhib videos I really liked. The first kendoka I thought did very well at misdirecting the naginata closiing space and countering very fast and accurate. Thx for sharing
Not sure how the scoring works but this is fantastic to watch. The respect they show each other and the discipline they both have is remarkable.
In Kendo you have to be very specific where you hit and how you hit for the point to count. The Naginata's strikes were certainly deadly in a real fight but for the sport, it doesn't count as a point.
4:01 ...
It's like a "gaurd" against a grapple in standing unarmed styles like Judo, Aikido, and Jiujutsu; any shift in weight or footwork will cause subtle changes in hand, and, by extention, weapon position. By getting that close to eachother and locking weapons, they're able to feel that shift and thereby gain advance warning of an impending attack; it also hampers the opponent's movement. This is particularly advantageous for the Katana weilder, as it keeps him inside the Naginata's longer reach
I get very excited watching this! A wonderful showing of martial arts that just brightened my very early morning. Or is it a late night? You tell me, it's 12:30
looks like so much fun. Im contemplating joining a local club to try it out
interesting would love to know how the scorring works
I have absolutely no clue what the fuck is going on right now but at 2 in the morning on break because of the coronavirus, I am not surprised I ended up on this side of youtube.
Beautiful~
Realistically you'd think the Naginata would be more practical for range, but the swordsmen are all fearless going in for the attack.
I love the "Anime stare down" after every strike
Amazing blocks, on both sides!
okay real serious question for people who know
what sword is the kendo supposed to simulate and if I'm missing something please tell me
Excelente do atração, isso é Arte Marcial.
Naginta Naginta love my Naginta
Armando Murillo Then maybe you shouldn't misspell it
That joke went so far over your head Hayden...
Naginta Please!
I love my Shinai , I'm just going to put this out there
That's what he meant-a!
This is the place I am thinking of going to!
Every battle is unpredictable. Nothing is superior.
Wow that was cool. Takes a lot of mental fortitude
I think they fought very well and considering the advantages and disadvantages of each weapon i think the fight were fair ;P
It's like a language with it's own rhythm, speed, timing. Then the opening
presents itself that you must take advantage of.
This is so amazing
Amazing !!!!
In a real life or death fight, anyone who chooses the katana over the naginata is a fool.
BloodofPatriots I would personally choose the naginata but the katana does have the edge in durability since the naginata has a wooden handle that the katana could easily cut up close, but then again the naginata (normally) has a heavier blade so going blade to blade the naginata is the stronger weapon. I used to fight in period fighting tournaments and I personally always chose the pole arms (halberd) for the extra reach and momentum, the trick is learning to use both ends and even the shaft to keep the opponent off balance.
Jared Thibodaux Some naginata's actually used a "recycled" katana blade. So imagine a samurai trying to even get close enough to cut that wooden pole with a katana when there's a blade of equal length sticking out of the end.
I trained with the staff for a while and my favorite target was the ankle. I'm sure you know why since you did period fighting.
+BloodofPatriots Since I did not period fighting, why?
comandosespeciales Range. A naginata can kill from three times the range of a katana. The most effective technique is to sweep the legs then slash back and forth. The katana is on defense the entire time because it can't even touch the holder of the naginata.
BloodofPatriots Oh yeah, it was kinda obvious. Thanks pal.
Who the fuck won, no clue XD
+Álvaro Velasco hard to tell for someone who is not into this. But fuck that, counting points and stuff is judges job :D
1st match, Kendo guy (White)
2nd match, Kendo guy (White)
3rd match is a tie
The judge flag's represent each participant (matching the colors of the ribbons in their back, in red and white), and when a point (Ippon) is scored, the judge rises the correspondant flag to let know who scored, and in the case of the second match, who won even when only one Ippon was scored. The first one in scoring two Ippon wins.
+Gaspar Villot Yep, good analysis.
wiggalama Thanks, man.
the guy who scream more xDDDD
Love that, thanks for sharing!
(Is it a real competition? Cannot believe they allow people use different weapons)
Exhibition match
Can someone explain to me why there is so much screaming and why are they having staring competitions every 10 seconds?
+MSmart19 why is that?
+Adikshith Ojha It's known as kiai, which is essentially a battle cry. Naginata and kendo are in essence martial arts which require spirit, and mental awareness as well as physical readiness. The Kiai (yelling) is part of the mental awareness and also serves as intimidation for your opponent. Plus, as mentioned below, once you hit the part, you yell it to show the judges that you think you scored a point.
+READComment1 I dont know about this,but for the purposes of most Japanese martial arts, the "shouts" are Kiai and serve a couple different purposes:
Contracts the diaphragm and chest which can allow you to take a hit better.
Puts extra "energy" behind the strike as it causes you to focus on the moment of impact.
Shows "spirit" when in competition.
Shows where strong strikes would be during kata.
Can catch opponents off guard if they are anticipating it or don't know what to expect.
Depending upon the situation they can also act as a battle cry in some ways but I haven't heard that explanation for them given at the dojo.
in goju-ryu karate our sensei explained that it also allows him to be sure you are breathing, as a fair number of people when starting out seem to have trouble remembering to breathe throughout a technique,we also does this in taek won do as well
alex febrianoo All excellent points! Yes, a kiai can help add energy behind a strike. This requires training though, as many beginners will yell for the sake of kiai, so the strike and kiai end up being separate. Experimenting with different yells to find your "characteristic" one that is most "in sync" with your body movements during a strike takes time. It usually requires testing out different kiai sounds, pitch, etc...
well in karate, my sensei used to teach us we have to yelling (kiai) to put extra energy in every move(also break down the mental's opponent). but i can't do that so out loud lol
I come bsck to this video every now and then, and given youtube (and recording software) allows us to, not only watch at 0.25x speed, but also record and replay frame by frame, the last 2 frames of 1:53 and first frame of 1:54 you see the end of the naginata bend. It's a point for White, they just didn't call it. I don't know how scoring works, but given the reverse has happened, Black has always gotten the point. It's just frustrating to keep seeing this occur in different events across Japan.
When does the head strikes count and when does it not?
i don't know if they were supposed to stand in grapple range at the end (it says exhibition in the title), but the naginataka (if that'S waht you call the fighters) did really not make good use of their reach advantage ...
a big black man in kendo suit with a naginata. thats the coolest thing ive ever seen. i must show this to my black brothers in the US.
so do kendo and naginata clubs have competitions against each other as well? or are they kept seperate most of the time?
+Kalmon salmon In the U.S. finding a Naginata school may be very difficult. I spent a few minutes looking around on google for one in my state and it seems there is only one here. So in the US its probably very unlikely that there would be cross training. When I was doing Kendo I had never seen any naginataka come in. We would get other kendoka from other schools come in, that is somewhat common.
Perhaps in Japan its more common. I wouldn't mind cross training with naginata.
+Kalmon salmon It's more common for them to face off against each other in Japan, where Naginata is mostly practiced by females. They tend to have female Naginata teams play against male Kendo teams. There's quite a few videos of the shiai on youtube, they're interesting matches. Naginata is still quite rare outside of Japan, which is a shame.
And I have fictional characters that fight with BOTH of these!
the kendoka can only charge into the naginataka because this is sports. if it comes to real battle one cannot blindly charge into enemy zone of control without minding one's own life. but put this thing aside, the video is quite interesting. i also want to see some gedan kendo stance duels.
Not really familiar with Naginata but I felt that the last sune from the Naginata player should have been counted.
Saxton sensei is so badass
As a Shogun 2 veteran, I’m surprised that the Naginata Samurai seemed to be winning more against the Katana Samurai in a 1v1
Can some who knows about this sport/martial art explain to me who won and why? I'm confused as I saw a lot of hits land but were not registered.
I dunno bro... I am wondering the same thing 🤷♂
Love how the katana guy gets his ass kicked tryna block when legit the naginata guy just stands still in a guarding stances
Damn, that was interesting!!! I liked the Kendo guy's skills more
柄ズネかっこよすぎ
2:57 - 3:36 is great! Loved it.
Please explane, Naginata Can only Chopping blows, not pricked?
Hey dudes I made this long thing with a blade at the end. Oh how are you gonna use the length? Oh I think I'll just get as close as possible after the first strike.
Hey dudes, I have no understanding whatsoever of the japanese kendo or naginata. But I think I'll give it sarcastic comments all the same.
Well, Technically if this where in a real fight situation, Naginata actually has an advantage because there’s no rules to follow.
I like the bull-shouldered naginata wielder! Love at 6:30 when the katana wielder came in to try and push around and contend with him. No, just no.
The length of the naginata has more advantage than the sword
Love the intellectual comments.
Kao da 2 borca idu preblizu jedan drugome i na taj nacin "guse" slobodnu borbu?
im not an expert in that so i ask why they stand Hand on Hand and weapon on weapon right next to each other without doing anything and why does the Girl with naginata jump in the air when whe makes bigger attacks ?
The scoring doesn't make much sense. Lot of inside the guard attacks that go unscored.
The beginning where the Kendo guy went into sonkyo position and the Naginata fella just sorta bent not knowing what was goin' on had me laughing.
Also, that one reason to learn how to use Gedan no kamae lol
that's why the guy with the Naginata sucked and lost the match. In theory, a Naginata beats a katana.
I love this big boy.
He is one of the best in the USA. His name is Kevin Saxton
If they didn't have the rules, the Naginata would win every time. Pole arms are VASTLY superior to swords in combat. This is a fact. Not only is it harder and takes longer to train a swordsmen, but they aren't as effective on the battlefield.
***** There's a reason spears were used on battlefields far more often than swords. They have greater reach, greater killing potential, and they are easier to use/train. Swords were the TERTIARY weapon of medieval combat (for both Europe and Japan) - the spear and the bow both came before the sword, as they have more reach and are therefor superior, in the same way guns, with their greater reach, are superior to spears and swords.
As you have stated, in towns etc, nobles/knights would carry swords, but that was more to show their status and to duel each other. When wartime comes, it's all spears.
Also, "slapping your polearm away" with a shield is really not as easy as you seem to be saying. Even if you were to deflect a stab attempt, a spear man can just as quickly reset his stance as a swordsman. If you want to test it, take a stick and a piece of wood to use as a sword/shield, and have a friend take a 3-4 meter long stick to use as a spear, and try to close the distance and stab him before he can stab you. You will find that it's VERY difficult to fight off a spear with a sword, even if you have a shield. spears are not slow at all.
These things aren't opinions - war strategy books, weapon manuals etc. of the time stressed spear use in battle over sword use.
+Regal Render and so what about when swords could cut down the pole arms and take away all range of the weapon, fight better in a cramped battlefield AND was the weapon of choice for the legendary Miyamoto Musashi
+Regal Render well of course, a line of spearmen could never be broken by swordsmen, though the sword was more of a "last resort" option, i think you relied on your archers, cavalry and spearmen infantry mostly, though in close encounters like castles you had an advantage with sword, you could easily hide your sword behind you and feint your enemy, theres a few kata with interesting techniques for that
Swords, like the longswords of the west and katana and its accompaniment the wakizashi or tanto, are sidearms. Things you can carry on your side. Were you beset by bandits or assassins, you are more likely to have your sidearm with you, given that you can carry it with you at all times on your side, like a handgun. Likewise, your bandit or assassin probably would have a sword with him too, unless he's too poor, had a stealth advantage with a knife instead or had a weapon stashed nearby. Now, a spear, would be akin to a rifle. It's not rocket science that a rifle beats a handgun in accuracy and range. But if you weren't expecting to be going to war at any moment, would you rather carry a rifle that weighs minimum 3kg or a handgun that weighs 500g? And all that bulk too? And the fact that there is no such thing as a rifle holster (slings don't count, you can't sling a spear anyway)?
Also same thing, it takes much more training to use a handgun effectively than a rifle, but nobles and samurai had an awful lot of spare time since they didn't have farms to tend to so it doesn't really matter anyway. And also swords are as much weapon as badges of office in some cases. But I am with you in that the naginata would probably win most of the time.
Long range it is, the closer the worst it is.
is this a common thing to see? I've heard about nito-ryu kendo versus chudan, but never seen this
You mean nito (two swords) vs itto (single sword). Nito and Itto have a lot of similarities, because eventually you are using a sword.
Naginata however is a different weapon and a different martial art.
However, the rules are similar to kendo, so engagement is possible
I would expect the Naginata players to go for the shins more often - probably the best way to catch a Kendo player off guard.
Context: In Naginata, the shins are a valid strike zone, while in Kendo they aren't, so naturally Kendokas don't really know how to protect them.
Gosh.. It's the hardest to block with the Shinai a Do or a hit to the legs
The naginata wielder is standing like a statue, he needs more footwork. The swordsman kept closing the distance without much effort.
How about kendo vs arnis double sticks/blade or nagitana vs arnis double sticks/blade
I feel the spear user wasn't offensive enough. I'm sure you're suppose to be focusing on counter attacking for maximum effectiveness, but she/he isn't using that optimal range. That and the katana guy goin' in so ham, gotta love that shit
Naginata has a distinct advantage, seems to score easier.
I really wish that the Naginata user would take more advantage of the weapon's range. He could be keeping serious distance between himself the Kendo guy, he has all the room in the world to do so. I know it's an exhibition and that these sports are more focused on form than practicality, but in reality the polearm user would dominate almost every time. Weapon has range, use it.
Those are exactly my thoughts. I don't know the naginata match rules but I watched other matches and it looks like that is not valid to pierce, or at least looks like they don't do it, It's a shame because with all that range the naginata user could hit his/her opponent from very afar. Maybe some naginata expert could tell us. I do not favor any weapon, I believe there is no superior weapon, it's the user the one who is better than the others, not the weapon.
@@lobo6210The Naginata was not a great piercer as it was not a traditional spear. Instead being based around slashes.
For those who keep talking "real fights", kendo and probably the naginata, is obviosly a sport. Hint are the solid hits by the swoard beeing not scored, or the fact they dont mean to just touch the opponent like i would assume about hema.
Im starting to think all this is about is whether you yell when landing a killing blow.
The kendoka seem to be higher rank than the naginataka, judging from their movement. .. am I right?
Nope
It even looks like the visible judge gives the point to red than changes to white.
well the spectators are clapping already, they fighters just bow toward each other ....they even haven't started yet ....
The only thing I don't get is when they get up close and stare at each other.
The reason they do that is because they want to break each other's concentration giving them a chance to get a clean hit and show you are in control of the battle
spartacusbr1
Why don't they just stab each other?
valkaek The thing to remember about these sports is that they are sports. This results in there being certain practices that must be followed. In kendo the center must be taken, seme, and one may not attack without these. Neither of these is an actual self defense sport, just a sport. To ask that is like asking why offside is a thing in ball sports. Note this is not meant to be offensive, merely informative. If it is offensive to you then I am sorry.
Think of it like boxing when one boxer holds onto the other.
jase276
not at all the same
This is a reason why naginata got not to be used in the real battlefield. It was replaced to a long spear soon after.
Cool
one of naginata advantages is the distance. I think this battle ground is not wide enough.
The point awarded at 8:30 looked like a clear ai-uchi to me.
What the hell!?!? I come to his dojo kinda often. Where was I when this happened
git gud
+Facefish what the f does "git good" have to do with his comment at all?
finally some sense...
Beta Factor
How did i post that on here? WTF
This question confused me...
Going by pure martial validity, the naginata won most of the exchanges.
how to consider score in naginata?
It's quite simple
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No jk idk qwq I forgot
that first guy didnt keep his distance >.
I think the scoring system needs some work here, or at least in that particular match, for there were times when the guy with the pole axe (I know that's not exactly accurate) was hitting the guy with the sword and yet the judge did not notice. Perhaps electronic scoring would do better.
and who are you to judge?
Look at 6:30, and see how they stand there, this shows how it isn't a martial art, is a sport
where i can order that wooden naginata?
ebogu.com it’s bamboo
What I never get about these displays is why the Naginata keeps getting used to make sweeping cuts, even out of the bind. You would never do that against a sword as it breaks your threat and allows them to close range. The big guy kept it much tighter though, would hesitate to try moving in on him.
RedHerald It's because those types of strikes would be lethal. If you strike someone in the legs, not only are they bleeding to death, they can't move, so you can stab them from a good range for a spear, and it just leaves you with the responsibility of knocking them down to stab them.
nobushi vs orochi low budget ain't no warrior version
5:54 shugoki doing nobushi cosplay
I kinda feel like the scoring weren't made completely clear or maybe the first Naginata user just weren't too experienced in sparing, it seemed like she thought the fight was over like 2 or 3 times when she had hit her opponent.
08:26 very nice!!