Motor craft, mopar, Toyota, Honda vs the fram Endurance, AMS and Wix XP. AMS and Wix xp would be an interesting one since AMS sells Wix xp on their website and use it for their budget friendly oil change kit. I was comparing fram endurance ($12) vs motorcraft ($8) and I settled with motorcraft cause the ports were much bigger. I had fram synthetic on my truck and I notice on cold start I there was a slight rattle. Now that I’m running the OEM motorcraft filter it’s smooth and quiet on cold start.
I place 10 long rare earth magnets on the outside of my oil filter housing. Very strong magnets. Then when I cut the top off and remove the filter media you can see where the magnets have collected all the metal parts that would normally be caught by the filter media. Pretty impressive actually. And the end result is my oil is overall cleaner when it drains out. But I still change the filter and oil every 3000 miles. Using this method my engines have lasted forever pretty much. Just a thought anyway.
your guys channel is criminally underrated. I've seen a few comments saying to test OEM filters and I'm with them on that. it would also be cool to see you guys test a baldwin filter
I'm trying to answer the question, "which oil filter will make my engine last the longest?", and I'm not sure the video answers this question. Or maybe I'm not even asking the right question? For example, a fleet management company is going to ask the question, "how do I minimize my maintenance costs without impacting the eventual resale value of my vehicles?" This video focuses on the engineering question much more than macroeconomics. If I don't change my oil frequently enough, then I can see where the dirt capacity would be an issue. But, if I change my oil at regular intervals, then dirt capacity probably isn't going to be a problem. So then you get to the issue, which is more important - filtering performance or flow restriction? Obviously the best filtering capacity isn't going to do you much good if there isn't enough oil flow, so there is a tradeoff there. If the bypass valve opens up (when you put your foot on the gas), as was simulated in your video by adjusting the flow rate, that requires more investigation! You want that valve to open up if the pressure differential is too great, but you interestingly pointed out that it's not happening with the cheaper filters. That would seem to be a defective design to me that would be important to drivers who have a habit of heavy accelerations.. On the other hand, if you don't have a lead foot, then it probably doesn't matter to the average grandma on the road that never causes the bypass valve to open up. With regards to filtering performance, that's directly related to engine wear, but it's not going to matter much if you change your oil frequently, thus reducing the buildup of small particles in the oil. With all that said, it certainly looks like you get what you pay for with the Fram filters. But in the long run, I suspect the frequency of the oil change is much more critical to engine life than how much you spend on the oil filter. With some car owners, oil and filter selection is an emotional issue, especially for sports car owners. They want only the very best for their "baby", and marketing expensive filters capitalizes on this. After all, for the oil and filter manufactures, it's all about making money. If some shmuck wants to spend triple the normal amount of money on a filter that only provides a marginal improvement in performance, and there is a significant amount of those schmucks out there, then sell such a filter! When I watch this video, I'm also asking the question, "how much engine life is enough"? People who keep their car for a short time could care less, while those who keep their cars forever probably care much more about engine life. But even people who plan to keep their car forever should realize that 99.9% of the cars on the road have less than 300,000 miles on them, because other factors such as accidents, transmission failures, parts availability, etc., limit the useful life of any vehicle. So if you're spending too much money on expensive oil filters trying to make your engine last forever, it may not be money well spent. But I really enjoyed your video, and all the great engineering facts!
I've always used the FRAM Ultra in my Acura TL-S and it has gotten my engine to 343k miles no problem. Despite not having the best differential pressure, the FRAM Ultra is certainly good enough for the average car, and this is coming from someone who lives in freezing Wisconsin winters. Add in its great construction, excellent filtration capabilities, wide availability, and $9 price tag, I can't recommend it enough. Although, I think for only an extra $3, I'm going to upgrade to the Purolator Boss as it has proven to be a clear winner in every aspect compared to the Ultra. Thank you so much for this video, I've been waiting for a scientific approach on oil filters like this for a long time. I can't wait to see additional tests and where your channel goes in the future. Subscribed!!
@@ChrisPatrick-q6k you’re right, and this is an old comment, but over time I did more research and found Purolator is kind of a sketchy brand who doesn’t fully disclose the filtration capabilities of all their filters. If you read the fine print and visit their website, only a few of their filters are rated down to 20 microns, and the rest are not. I also discovered the old FRAM Ultra design was renamed the Titanium, and the new Ultra is a redesigned and slightly downgraded filter. The new Ultra has worked just fine the last year or 2, however the old Ultra was proven in multiple tests and studies to be the best filter on the market. So I now use the Titanium filters (old Ultra). However again, I heard rumors they might redesign the Titanium as well. So I bought a dozen filters to last me the next 5-10 years.
I was skeptical about the new Fram Endurance as regards their claims about high flow rate. This video seems to confirm verify their claim. I may just have to give it a try as I value flow rate over excessive filtration.
Did you see that?!?! The Ultra Synthetic has cellulose blended media now!!! This line used to have top of the line fully synthetic, thick media(depth filtration) which was even better than Amsoil filters. Fram is destroying people's loyalty to the brand.
I'm coming up on 200k on (mostly) Fram filters. If you change your oil every 5-7k miles like I do, I don't think the minor differences between ultra-premium filters and something like a Fram Tough Guard are going to matter.
You made the point that I've been saying for years. It's not the brand of oil or filter but the frequency of the oil change that protects the best. I've been changing oil for over 35 years in dozens of family vehicles and never had an oil related problem. Full synthetic every 5- 6 K miles.
I've been using Fram for as long as I remember and I haven't had any issues with my car. A lot of people say that Fram is garbage and use thin paper, but what I don't understand is...Fram has been making oil filters since 1932 or maybe 1934 and they're still in business. If they made cheap and crap oil filters, I'm sure they would've been out of business by now.
As a subscriber from early on, your content continues to impress! Completely fact based. Testing of OEM's such as Motorcraft and AC Delco would be interesting. Keep up the stellar work!
I like the information and the data. Not so taken by the arm waving and high energy that is akin to high pressure sales people. Don't get me wrong. Being enthused is not bad at all. I've just seen way too many TV ads that turn me off, but at least I know you're delivering good data and high quality information, so I continue watching to the end. So far, I'm teetering on the Boss or the Endurance. Waiting to see you test the AmsOil offerings.
Huge congrats on being the first group to actually test filters instead of just cutting them open. Some suggestions, the ranking system should be updated to be weighted based on your thoughts (or even better a web app/Google sheet that lets users pick their weights) and more importantly the rankings don't take into account absolute performance. Eg. 0.1 psi at max flow is negligible/within error and no filter would have 1st place hot/cold flows and dead last filtration, but would somehow place mid-pack. Would be best to do something like standard deviations away and score filters on that metric. Thanks and keep up the good work, at least it's just data and not rebuilding a rig this time!
The new Fram Endurance is the same filter that Amsoil uses. whipcity wrencher RUclips channel cut them apart already. I personally have already switched over to the new Fram endurance filter.
I really hope these other videos gain as much traction as the prior tests! I ran the Fram endurance in my last oil change on my 04 lly duramax because of this video. I was shocked how much it filtered considering my oil didn't turn black nearly as much as before since the endurance filtered so much soot out of the oil! Excited for future tests!!!
@@BrandRanks I was actually pretty stoked when the notification popped up. I was waiting for this one. Happy to know my choice to use the Ultra is a good one. I never go being 6,000 miles on my 2018 Ram 1500 5.7L.
Outstanding comparison, thanks for sharing! Glad to see that the Fram Ultra isn't nearly as restrictive as many claim, it actually seems to be a very solid filter for the price. The biggest thing I don't like about the Fram filters I've seen is that the end of the filter isn't covered, so random debris could potentially end up in the clean side of the filter and go straight into the engine. I don't think using filters that are shipped and stored open to the atmosphere is the best idea and it couldn't cost that much to cover the end or just seal the entire filter in plastic wrap.
A filter is going to collect up to 10-15 grams of "debris" from inside your engine. A few specks of dust possibly entering a boxed filter is literally nothing in comparison. The plastic cover on the bottom of filters is mostly done in Asian countries like Korea and Japan that tend to be more fixated on cleanliness that the US is. Those countries also have a large number of people wearing surgical masks when they are in public.
@@Jimmy-sj9ny Only difference is the debris that the filter catches while in use stays on the dirty side and no large debris is allowed through the filter to the clean side. If an ant or something that size happened to get into the big hole in the center of the filter, it would go directly into the engine and very likely clog an oil supply hole, piston cooling jet, interfere with the VVT system, etc and cause major damage.
@@averyalexander2303 Sure, but an engine has particles of metal and other debris that are gonna get in the oil. Particles of dust that might get in the filter are going to be largely organic and more or less harmless to an engine. Decades ago, filters were sold to mechanics in cases of 12 and they weren't even in individual boxes. When I was in high school, I had to stack filters on the shelf in the bay area of an Exxon station. Nobody ever said: "you're endangering my car because the filters aren't boxed." Some mechanics had a habit of blowing compressed air to get debris off filters and others didn't. But, either way, it is a VERY small risk to an engine.
Fantastic video, thank you for making these. I would like to ask for the test dust to be reduced below 20 microns. Cummins has found that the most engine wear is happening with particles below 20 microns as they can fit in the lubrication layer and touch/connect with the bearing surfaces. Large particles cannot fit so are not as much of a problem.
That makes sense because most good filters capture 98*% of particles 20 microns and bigger. In reality though you can filter much smaller than that and still maintain great oil flow right now especially in colder climates.
Three filters I want to see tested: Mobil 1, Mobil 1 and Mobil 1. Best oil filter testing on youtube and I appreciate it. For now I'll be a Purolator Boss man, but you know, Mobil 1.....
You should test the Mopar MO-339 vs the MO-899. Both of these filters are for the same engine, a 5.7 L hemi V8. From what I understand the oil filter was halved in size to fit the new rack and pinion electric steering rack in 2013 and the 339 is laughably small for the displacement of the engine. I always felt that it was undersized and with the cam and roller bearing issues that plague these engines, I’m wondering if the smaller filter is to blame for lack of oil delivery. I’d like to know if the smaller filter is up to the task of the once much larger filter.
Great video! Maybe in the future try some OEM filters? The Mazda filters I use have much larger inlet holes and no drainback valve because they are mounted under the engine. I'm afraid to use off the shelf filters because they might be too restrictive.
The MAZDA 2.0 ENGINE Oil Filter is vertically located on the Engine!! The 2.0 has an Integrated bypass valve in the engine itself!! Same bypass valve built into the Engine Block setup as General Motors small block V-8 Engines!! Some Ford Engines have a bypass valve built in the Block also!! There are quite a few other Engines that have used this type of technology also!! Be careful when using a filter that is Cross referenced between manufacturers as some AC DELCO filters Will Not have a built in bypass valve!! Unless you Engine has an internal bypass valve, you will be starving the engine of oil in Cold Weather, and if the filter starts being restrictive due to dirt contamination!!🤢🤢🤔🤔🤔😉😊
yes it's the same. I have cut both apart and they are both the same and both made by champ labs, although one difference I noticed with the ones I bought is that the fram was made in usa while the amsoil was made in mexico
Exactly at what pressure does the bypass open on these filters? I really think people freak out about "unfiltered oil" but the reality is a ton of oil gets circulated unfiltered when cold or at very high pressures, etc. Dirty oil is a minor issue, no oil is a game ender.
Would love to see Amsoil. Another channel cut open the Fram Endurance and Amsoil. They appeared identical in every respect. Seeing it put through the Rig 2.0 would be final confirmation if the similarities are more than skin deep. Great series. Loving it.
Getting the right size iron particulates might be difficult, but I’d love a test to see how effective external magnets are on oil filters. To go a step further, I wanna see the ones that wrap around the side like the filtermag, those big round ones that stick to the end of the filter, and for the budget-minded like me just slap some small neodymium magnets on and see what happens.
Actually, quite impressive from a scientific and mechanical prospective. You explain the standards of the testing and have very specific criteria for your ratings. Great information for us who actually do our own maintenance.
One thing to take into account when measuring capacity is the fact that the ones that filted best, will often clog the fastest. That mkes the purolator boss even more impressive as it not only had fantastic filtering ability, but also a huge capacity.
@@N-M424 That may be true with air filters, but not oil filters. The increased pressure (delta p) caused by loading will force some of the already captured particles through.
@@OxBlitzkriegxO Yeah, I'm finding the testing rubric on this channel is pretty bad, heavily biased toward flow and capacity with little concern for efficiency.
I see a lot of people are giving you grief in the comments over your energy, but I disagree. It comes across as natural enthusiasm and is a nice counterbalance to the dry facts. Great channel, subscribed.
😂😂 I did get carried away a bit in this one, lol! Reason why I was restrained on the next one 🤣 thanks for watching and supporting the channel. Glad you enjoyed
360,000 miles on my 2005 6.0 vortec using Fram Ultra filters and SuperTech FullSynthetic 10k oil @ 7k change intervals (for the last 260,000 miles). Burns only 1/2 qt between changes! (first 100,000 miles were plain ol penzoil 5w30 & fram orange-can every 3,000 miles.) These days keep your oil and filter clean (don't overuse) and an engine is only gonna die from something else besides wear.
I would love it, if you re-did the filters from rig 1.0 along side the amsoil testing! To see how they stack up with the rest (or at least the mobil 1😅) Great job btw! I think you're going to, if not already become the king of oil filter testing and many can use your videos as references when purchasing filters, to know what they're really paying for.
Awesome videos and test. I like that you show the ranking of all filters tested so far at the end. Only suggestion there is maybe also show the actual results. One filter might be a single ranking above the next but performing 2x as good. Seeing the actual values for each category across all the filters can help us see how much better one is over the other in a snapshot. Love this test setup. Keep up the grwat work. Also would like to see mobil-1 20k mile filter tested.
Tha k you so much for your kind words and the awesome idea! There are so many ways of showing the rankings and day and wanted to make sure it was not overwhelming for people but you bring a great point! Thank you again! Also, we will be testing Mobile 1 in the next video😊
On the extra guard, wouldn't the dirty oil have to get past the glue in order to completely seep between that gap? Yes we can see the pleats, but the second those pleats meet the endcap, there is a wall of glue right? Not to mention the silicone anti drainback valve inserts into that space and blocks it off anyway. Please let me know if I am misunderstanding.
Great testing. I like you new and improve oil filter testing rig. I know you have tested Wix XP, but it would be great to see a standard Wix which supposedly has better filtration than the XP model. Wix says it's rated at 95% @ 20u. It would also be great to see a Motorcraft, AC/Delco and Bosch tested as well. Keep up the great work.
Man keep uploading i'm so interested in all brands vs videos more often, even if its garden tools, power tools, diy tools, socket sets, rims and more! And even air filters! K&N especially
I'd love to see a test of what I do with most of my cars. >Using an OVERSIZED oil filter< For instance, instead of a wix 1348 on my Dodge, I can fit a 1515. Does increasing the size increase capacity while lowering restriction? Your rig is perfect for finding the answers!
I used the orange can of death for years for a 96 ford contour 2000cc 4 cylinder. Never had any issues. The last filter I put on my car is the orange can of death.
Hey guys! You seemed to missed three additional FRAM filters! They’re exclusively available only at Advance Auto Parts. It’s the FRAM Force, FRAM Drive, and FRAM Titanium filter. Additionally if you want “all” FRAM filters try buying or asking a Walmart Lube Tech employee to give you a FRAM Core filter. Aside from that keep it up, these videos are informative and helpful!!!
Great video. Your channel, editing and testing methods are top notch. Just wish you would upload more often because I really enjoy watching your videos. lol. Would love to see if you can test Ryco branded filter since that’s the most common filter here in Australia. Unfortunately many of the filters you tested aren’t available here or are hard to find. Keep up the great work guys!!
Thank you so much for the kind words! It really means a lot to hear this. We also wish we could upload more often, but it's hard with full time engineering jobs. Hopefully one day we can do this full time! We tried to get a RYCO filter but they did not ship to US!
306K on my 96 Chevy Limina Van using the Tough Guard and synthetic oil. Had to do a double head gasket change last summer, and there was no ridge in any of the piston bores. I don't use the filter recommended for my vehicle but the biggest Tough Guard I can find that fits, as long as the gasket matches. I would like to know how those flow rates match up with speed or rpm. Maybe most vehicles never see those higher rates.
Purolator tech (bought in bulk) and Supertech are a couple of the cheapest options for filters (per unit). At about $3 per filter. It'd be an interesting comparison of cheap vs value.
well, I feel a bit better using the ultra, always wondered if it filtered any better than the basic filter. seems to be worth the couple extra dollars.
I would like to see you redo the very first test you did using these parameters to see how they stack up against all of these. Also, a final overall ranking in order from worst to best would be nice.
I love the oil filter series. Learned a lot. I love to see how Toyota, Honda, and any other OEM filter performs. I cannot find any filter, flow or filtration data for Honda or Toyota oil filters. I did notice that my Honda CRV runs better with a Honda filter. I assume it’s a less restrictive filter. Cannot find any data on them though. Would you guys be willing to run Honda and Toyota filters through your testing set up? I think a lot of people would appreciate it.
Great testing procedure and love the data from the tests! Cannot wait to find out how the Bosch filters I've been using for the better of 15 years stack up haha (Bosch 3330 is equivalent to PH3614)
@@ohboy2592 Sorry, but that is completely incorrect. I don't know where you heard that, but it is very well established by all the major industrial filtration companies (Donaldson, Parker, Fleetguard, etc) that micro glass fiber can achieve the highest efficiency with a full flow filter. You aren't going to see cellulose oil filters exceeding about 99% @ 30microns. Glass fiber can get to 99% @20micron without being too restrictive for most automotive engines.
Part of the fram orange can of death was from a fault in production a few years ago. It was something about the filter media seam was not correctly connected allowing oil to just bypass the filter all tognther.
Back in the middle 70s I had a Lotus Europa. I had problem where I got a rod/main bearing rattle at startup. Smelling a rat I changed the oil filter to a non Fram filter. The rattle went away. Haven't used one since. I have also heard that Fram filters bypass early. Fram, not fir me.
Fram are probably fine if you get a good one. The last time I used Fram was years ago when I put one on my Alfa Romeo and filter had a faulty anti-drainback valve. Large delay in getting oil pressure on startup. Having a decent oil pressure gauge helped me quickly see the problem, perhaps some people wouldn't have noticed. Changed the filter and never used Fram again.
Have not used a Fram filter since i had one come apart internally and starve my motor of oil. Had a nasty liftet tick. Changed the oil and switched filter brands. Never had anymore oil pressure problems.
May you test MicroGard Select Oil Part # MSL51372 Line: MGD. You can find it at O'Reilly's Auto parts. This filter says it is a full Synthetic media. I wonder how it compares to the Wix XP and Purolator Boss and Mobil 1 oil filters, when it comes to restriction and how small of particles and how much they can filter out.
I was at Walmart comparing fram endurance ($12) vs motorcraft ($8) and I settled with motorcraft cause the ports were much bigger. I had the fram synthetic on my truck and I notice on cold start I would hear a slight rattle. Now that I’m running the OEM motorcraft filter its smooth and quiet on cold start.
I usually get Extra guard but may upgrade to Tough guard. But this is just for my lawn tractor. For my car it's whatever my mechanic uses - I should ask him next time, he has about 30-40 years experience.
I’ve used Fram ultra filters on my Camry for 3 years after Mobil 1 went to paper from a synthetic filter back in 2021. (The Camry filter is not inside a housing so you can see the material being used). I just bought a fram ultra filter for an oil change last week and they now have downgraded to a paper material in their ultra series. So looks like I’ll be switching to Purolator Voss series!
Have been using ultra guard for a long time. Never had any issues. On a side note, I use only OE Kawasaki oil filters on my small engines. The automobile filters ive found to be too restrictive for small engines/ commercial mowers
Thank YOU! Really appreciate your kind words. So glad we were able to help. We still have some more filters to test and at the end we will see which one is the best. Thank you again for your support!
I noticed that the standard versions of the flow meter you're using is only accurate for viscosity up to 110 cST, while the cold oil test uses ~400 cST fluid. Are you using a special order version rated for higher viscosity? The loss of accuracy isn't a big deal for comparative testing, but I'd expect the actual flow to be lower than what the meter reads. A "cold" test with oil at ~50-60 cST fluid would be more interesting, since at 400 cST, an engine's oil pump will be in pressure relief and probably never pumping more than ~1-3 GPM through the oil filter, with the remaining flow going back into the sump. ~50 cST is closer to a "worst-case" viscosity for oil filter dP/bypassing, since it's thick enough to cause high filter dP, but thin enough that the oil pump won't be bypassing much oil. The flow meter would be accurate with this viscosity as well.
Good stuff, I appreciate how you quickly get into the testing and results! I'm running a Fram right now because it was my only option at the time, but I try to steer clear of them in general.
@ThrSpinelessNinja we used ISO VG 460 oil for the cold simulation and Aeroshell 41 for the hot simulation to simulate motor oil viscosity at operating temperatures and at 38 degrees fare heir. Please go check out previous video for more detailed explanation into the viscosity. Thanks for watching!
Hey! We completly re-did our testing methodology to follow more in line with standardized tests. we had great support in our first video and we able to put more money into a new rig. The first video we were measuring only the inlet pressure and not the actual differential pressure across the filter. our first video with this new rig goes over in detail all the changes we did. thanks for watching!
IN my many years working in the field I have never seen a Fram filter on a commercial engine of any kind. (oil, fuel, or air) Most are Baldwin or NAPA/Wix...some Donaldson, Fleet-guard and OEM.
Could you please do a test with the FilerMag oil filter magnet? Maybe even add some 10 micron metal particles. It would be really cool to see oil test results before and after to see how much the magnet actually picks up. Would be even better if you pair it up with a cheap oil filter that you've already did the new tests with. Funny if you hooked the extra guard up with it. Since its the worst performing and maybe the Wix XP just to see how much it helps the filtering below the 30 microns.
I use a cartridge type filter in my Tundra, so I get to see the filtration media before. The Fram FE10295 looks like to OE TRD filter. It even comes with silicone O-rings. I believe that Fram has stepped up their game with the FE filters, and it is made in the US.
Great video 😊 i like how you did the fram line of filters. It would be awesome to see Purolator's line of them done. I especially wish to know how restrictive the Purolator one filter is 😮
Thank you so much for your support. That's a great suggestion, we still have several filters to go so we will look into it. Again, thank you for the support!
I would like to see the AC Delco filters and how they stack up to the others, not just against other OEM's but to all others. Question: would these results be posted online somewhere for everyone to see on a chart and graph to compare any and all filters you have tested?
Thank you so much for watching! We will be testing the AC Delco in this series. At the end we will post the results, we are a small channel sow e are working on our website to maybe post it there. Thank you again!
Make sure you inspect Purolator filters before purchasing. I’ve found quite a few where the center tube openings are not actually open, resulting in low or no flow. Fun Fact, the Fram Endurance is the same filter as the Amsoil, so I’ll be curious if there’s any discernible difference.
@@BrandRanksthis is my kinda stuff that I nerd out on. Checkout Whip City Wrencher regarding the Amsoil and Fram tear down. I’d also be curious to see an OEM Subaru filter vs aftermarket like the Fram (7317) endurance and others. There’s a been a long time debate that Subaru filters require a 27psi relief valve. But I side with others that believe that’s due to how restrictive the OEM filter media is in an effort to reduce bypass. Not to mention that most Subarus are 0w20 which would further reduce the pressure differential. I’ve been using the Fram Ultra and Endurance on my Subaru and clearly it hasn’t failed. Haha
I recently got an oil change at Walmart. It was $11 extra cost to get the Fram Endurance filter installed with my oil change. The synthetic oil they use is claimed to last 5,000 miles. Total cost was like $65.
About to change my oil cause there’s a tiny pin hole in the bottom of my oil filter. Not sure if a rock got flung into it from my tires or what. Great video
That's a great suggestion! We will look into since it would require several modifications to the rig to be able to accept those filters. Really appreciate your support!
I thank you guys for actually looking into the oem recommendation i had in the last test video. Good luck guys i hope it comes out great. I wish you guys the best in channel growth. You already have the video design of veteran guys so your set 😂. cant wait for the next video.
Super presentation! As a non-informed consumer, I always used the Fram brand exclusively thinking a filter is a filter! And that end grip to change by hand hooked me. No more Fram for me since about a year ago! (Unless that top tier one ?? IDK maybe? ).
Definitely do a filter from every manufacturers legendairy engines! For Lexus get a 1uzfe filter. Honda get a b or k series filter. Nissan a sr or ka. Chevy or ford get a filter for any of the big blocks like ford 460 or Chevy 494. Mercedes w117.
Looks like purolator Boss is the best bang for your buck. I can’t believe the amsoil filter will do much better for the price difference. And those that change oil at 5,000 miles the Fram endurance is a good buy as well
the only thing you have to get over is the potential "tearlator" history of Purolator filters. It still occasionally happens even of recently. Just google it.
I’m new to your channel. Very impressive oil filter testing process. Having brought bulk oil by the 10,000 L at a time for dealers. I’ve been lucky enough to visit oil production factories. You set up is very similar to the laboratories in big oil producers. Keep up the amazing work.
Hey! Thank you so much for your kind words. Comments like yours keeps us motivated. We tried our best to replicate the process as much as possible with the limited budget if a small channel. Hopefully one day we grow and we can afford even better equipment. Again, thanks for watching and supporting the channel!
We are thinking of doing an OEM video in this series, any suggestions?
mazda miata, dodge charger, ford mustang or maybe a popular diesel truck?
Mazda RX-8, various Subaru filters
Honda.
Also mobil-1
Motorcraft and AC Delco
Motor craft, mopar, Toyota, Honda vs the fram Endurance, AMS and Wix XP.
AMS and Wix xp would be an interesting one since AMS sells Wix xp on their website and use it for their budget friendly oil change kit.
I was comparing fram endurance ($12) vs motorcraft ($8) and I settled with motorcraft cause the ports were much bigger. I had fram synthetic on my truck and I notice on cold start I there was a slight rattle. Now that I’m running the OEM motorcraft filter it’s smooth and quiet on cold start.
I'd be interested to see how Bosch, Amsoil and maybe even ones that come with magnets such as HKS fair in the test
Great suggestions! Thank you so much for your support!
K&N also
I place 10 long rare earth magnets on the outside of my oil filter housing. Very strong magnets. Then when I cut the top off and remove the filter media you can see where the magnets have collected all the metal parts that would normally be caught by the filter media. Pretty impressive actually. And the end result is my oil is overall cleaner when it drains out. But I still change the filter and oil every 3000 miles. Using this method my engines have lasted forever pretty much. Just a thought anyway.
Bosch premium filtech
Unfortunately magnets are only going to help catch one of the contaminants in oil.
your guys channel is criminally underrated. I've seen a few comments saying to test OEM filters and I'm with them on that. it would also be cool to see you guys test a baldwin filter
Thank you so much for the encouraging words. Your support is greatly appreciated. We will be testing Baldwin and some OEMs!
I come from the future, Baldwin was awful dude
I'm trying to answer the question, "which oil filter will make my engine last the longest?", and I'm not sure the video answers this question. Or maybe I'm not even asking the right question? For example, a fleet management company is going to ask the question, "how do I minimize my maintenance costs without impacting the eventual resale value of my vehicles?" This video focuses on the engineering question much more than macroeconomics. If I don't change my oil frequently enough, then I can see where the dirt capacity would be an issue. But, if I change my oil at regular intervals, then dirt capacity probably isn't going to be a problem. So then you get to the issue, which is more important - filtering performance or flow restriction? Obviously the best filtering capacity isn't going to do you much good if there isn't enough oil flow, so there is a tradeoff there. If the bypass valve opens up (when you put your foot on the gas), as was simulated in your video by adjusting the flow rate, that requires more investigation! You want that valve to open up if the pressure differential is too great, but you interestingly pointed out that it's not happening with the cheaper filters. That would seem to be a defective design to me that would be important to drivers who have a habit of heavy accelerations.. On the other hand, if you don't have a lead foot, then it probably doesn't matter to the average grandma on the road that never causes the bypass valve to open up. With regards to filtering performance, that's directly related to engine wear, but it's not going to matter much if you change your oil frequently, thus reducing the buildup of small particles in the oil.
With all that said, it certainly looks like you get what you pay for with the Fram filters. But in the long run, I suspect the frequency of the oil change is much more critical to engine life than how much you spend on the oil filter.
With some car owners, oil and filter selection is an emotional issue, especially for sports car owners. They want only the very best for their "baby", and marketing expensive filters capitalizes on this. After all, for the oil and filter manufactures, it's all about making money. If some shmuck wants to spend triple the normal amount of money on a filter that only provides a marginal improvement in performance, and there is a significant amount of those schmucks out there, then sell such a filter!
When I watch this video, I'm also asking the question, "how much engine life is enough"? People who keep their car for a short time could care less, while those who keep their cars forever probably care much more about engine life. But even people who plan to keep their car forever should realize that 99.9% of the cars on the road have less than 300,000 miles on them, because other factors such as accidents, transmission failures, parts availability, etc., limit the useful life of any vehicle. So if you're spending too much money on expensive oil filters trying to make your engine last forever, it may not be money well spent. But I really enjoyed your video, and all the great engineering facts!
Lots of info to digest there good buddy , and I’m very grateful for it. 😊
I've always used the FRAM Ultra in my Acura TL-S and it has gotten my engine to 343k miles no problem. Despite not having the best differential pressure, the FRAM Ultra is certainly good enough for the average car, and this is coming from someone who lives in freezing Wisconsin winters. Add in its great construction, excellent filtration capabilities, wide availability, and $9 price tag, I can't recommend it enough. Although, I think for only an extra $3, I'm going to upgrade to the Purolator Boss as it has proven to be a clear winner in every aspect compared to the Ultra. Thank you so much for this video, I've been waiting for a scientific approach on oil filters like this for a long time. I can't wait to see additional tests and where your channel goes in the future. Subscribed!!
Why risk it when you can buy consistent quality for less?
@@ChrisPatrick-q6k you’re right, and this is an old comment, but over time I did more research and found Purolator is kind of a sketchy brand who doesn’t fully disclose the filtration capabilities of all their filters. If you read the fine print and visit their website, only a few of their filters are rated down to 20 microns, and the rest are not. I also discovered the old FRAM Ultra design was renamed the Titanium, and the new Ultra is a redesigned and slightly downgraded filter. The new Ultra has worked just fine the last year or 2, however the old Ultra was proven in multiple tests and studies to be the best filter on the market. So I now use the Titanium filters (old Ultra). However again, I heard rumors they might redesign the Titanium as well. So I bought a dozen filters to last me the next 5-10 years.
@@ChrisPatrick-q6k they're not risking anything if they're changing their oil regularly
Thanks, me , too. From AC DELCO/ Napa/ VALVOLINE to “Boss Purolator “.
I was skeptical about the new Fram Endurance as regards their claims about high flow rate.
This video seems to confirm verify their claim.
I may just have to give it a try as I value flow rate over excessive filtration.
If you value flow rate then the Purolator Boss beat the Fram Endurance.
@@F0XD1E Did it really?
And I was of the opinion it was always somewhat restrictive.
I’ll have to take another look at the other video.
@@Nellis202 at the end of this video they have a ratings chart which is what I'm going off of.
@@F0XD1EFound it .
Thanks mate !
Did you see that?!?! The Ultra Synthetic has cellulose blended media now!!! This line used to have top of the line fully synthetic, thick media(depth filtration) which was even better than Amsoil filters. Fram is destroying people's loyalty to the brand.
Had multiple engines go past 300k miles on Fram filters. They might not be the best, but that textured grip is a massive selling point.
I'm coming up on 200k on (mostly) Fram filters. If you change your oil every 5-7k miles like I do, I don't think the minor differences between ultra-premium filters and something like a Fram Tough Guard are going to matter.
I've been using the frame orange can since 2004 on a new Silverado. 3000 mile oil change intervals. Not much to filter out at those intervals.
@@BooBoo-vo6ohnormal mineral oil for your 3000 mile change interval?. 10w30?.
And their made in USA
Fram makes the Amsoil and Royal Purple filters that everyone raves about.
I used the orange can of death for years. Never had any trouble.
To add more context, how many miles between oil changes?
ive only used these filters, Ive gone usually 5k mi between changes. Never a problem here.
@@Deathwatch31 Which FRAM filter did you use? Is it one of the four types (aka Extra Guard, Tough Guard, etc) mentioned in the video?
You made the point that I've been saying for years. It's not the brand of oil or filter but the frequency of the oil change that protects the best. I've been changing oil for over 35 years in dozens of family vehicles and never had an oil related problem. Full synthetic every 5- 6 K miles.
I've been using Fram for as long as I remember and I haven't had any issues with my car. A lot of people say that Fram is garbage and use thin paper, but what I don't understand is...Fram has been making oil filters since 1932 or maybe 1934 and they're still in business. If they made cheap and crap oil filters, I'm sure they would've been out of business by now.
Keep these oil filter tests coming! ! !
As a subscriber from early on, your content continues to impress! Completely fact based. Testing of OEM's such as Motorcraft and AC Delco would be interesting. Keep up the stellar work!
👋 Thank you so much for your continued support, it really means a lot to us! We will definitely be testing some OEMs! Glad you enjoyed!
@@BrandRanks Try the Pentius UFXL filters and the Premium Guard Extended Life.
I'd be interested to see how those Toyota F1 filters and Honda OE ones fare in that test.
I like the information and the data. Not so taken by the arm waving and high energy that is akin to high pressure sales people. Don't get me wrong. Being enthused is not bad at all. I've just seen way too many TV ads that turn me off, but at least I know you're delivering good data and high quality information, so I continue watching to the end.
So far, I'm teetering on the Boss or the Endurance.
Waiting to see you test the AmsOil offerings.
Thank you so much for the feedback. As a small channel, still learning here, so it is much appreciated! Glad you enjoyed the rest!
Huge congrats on being the first group to actually test filters instead of just cutting them open. Some suggestions, the ranking system should be updated to be weighted based on your thoughts (or even better a web app/Google sheet that lets users pick their weights) and more importantly the rankings don't take into account absolute performance. Eg. 0.1 psi at max flow is negligible/within error and no filter would have 1st place hot/cold flows and dead last filtration, but would somehow place mid-pack. Would be best to do something like standard deviations away and score filters on that metric. Thanks and keep up the good work, at least it's just data and not rebuilding a rig this time!
The new Fram Endurance is the same filter that Amsoil uses. whipcity wrencher RUclips channel cut them apart already. I personally have already switched over to the new Fram endurance filter.
Thank you so much for the feedback, we will be looking into the Amsoil next to see how it perform! Thaks for watching
I really hope these other videos gain as much traction as the prior tests! I ran the Fram endurance in my last oil change on my 04 lly duramax because of this video. I was shocked how much it filtered considering my oil didn't turn black nearly as much as before since the endurance filtered so much soot out of the oil! Excited for future tests!!!
Diesel exhaust soot is less than 1 micron so it was probably placebo or something else
I appreciate the enthusiasm, and while I don't wish to be a critic it is a little much, kinda like a "dude, bro, dude" moment.
I did enjoy the content
Thank you for the feedback, make sure to watch the latest one for some improvements😊
Same for me. The over the top actions are very off putting...
Again, awesome information. Didn’t disappoint with excellent information. I’m definitely looking forward to the next one!!
Thank you so much for your continued support @js12278 It is immensely appreciated.
@@BrandRanks I was actually pretty stoked when the notification popped up. I was waiting for this one. Happy to know my choice to use the Ultra is a good one. I never go being 6,000 miles on my 2018 Ram 1500 5.7L.
Great to hear! I've been using the ULTRA for awhile as well!
This video rocks! Finally a good one with a nice objective on filters.
Thank you so much for your kind words and for supporting the channel!
Outstanding comparison, thanks for sharing! Glad to see that the Fram Ultra isn't nearly as restrictive as many claim, it actually seems to be a very solid filter for the price. The biggest thing I don't like about the Fram filters I've seen is that the end of the filter isn't covered, so random debris could potentially end up in the clean side of the filter and go straight into the engine. I don't think using filters that are shipped and stored open to the atmosphere is the best idea and it couldn't cost that much to cover the end or just seal the entire filter in plastic wrap.
A filter is going to collect up to 10-15 grams of "debris" from inside your engine. A few specks of dust possibly entering a boxed filter is literally nothing in comparison. The plastic cover on the bottom of filters is mostly done in Asian countries like Korea and Japan that tend to be more fixated on cleanliness that the US is. Those countries also have a large number of people wearing surgical masks when they are in public.
@@Jimmy-sj9ny Only difference is the debris that the filter catches while in use stays on the dirty side and no large debris is allowed through the filter to the clean side. If an ant or something that size happened to get into the big hole in the center of the filter, it would go directly into the engine and very likely clog an oil supply hole, piston cooling jet, interfere with the VVT system, etc and cause major damage.
@@averyalexander2303 Sure, but an engine has particles of metal and other debris that are gonna get in the oil. Particles of dust that might get in the filter are going to be largely organic and more or less harmless to an engine. Decades ago, filters were sold to mechanics in cases of 12 and they weren't even in individual boxes. When I was in high school, I had to stack filters on the shelf in the bay area of an Exxon station. Nobody ever said: "you're endangering my car because the filters aren't boxed." Some mechanics had a habit of blowing compressed air to get debris off filters and others didn't. But, either way, it is a VERY small risk to an engine.
Fantastic video, thank you for making these. I would like to ask for the test dust to be reduced below 20 microns. Cummins has found that the most engine wear is happening with particles below 20 microns as they can fit in the lubrication layer and touch/connect with the bearing surfaces. Large particles cannot fit so are not as much of a problem.
That makes sense because most good filters capture 98*% of particles 20 microns and bigger. In reality though you can filter much smaller than that and still maintain great oil flow right now especially in colder climates.
Three filters I want to see tested: Mobil 1, Mobil 1 and Mobil 1. Best oil filter testing on youtube and I appreciate it. For now I'll be a Purolator Boss man, but you know, Mobil 1.....
HAHA, we will be testing Mobil 1. Thank you so much for your support and kind words.
Fantastic follow-up oil filter test! Keep them coming!
Thank you so much for your continued support!
Enjoy the filter reviews!!! Keep em coming!!!!!
Will do! Thank you so much for your support, it means a great deal!
You should test the Mopar MO-339 vs the MO-899. Both of these filters are for the same engine, a 5.7 L hemi V8. From what I understand the oil filter was halved in size to fit the new rack and pinion electric steering rack in 2013 and the 339 is laughably small for the displacement of the engine. I always felt that it was undersized and with the cam and roller bearing issues that plague these engines, I’m wondering if the smaller filter is to blame for lack of oil delivery. I’d like to know if the smaller filter is up to the task of the once much larger filter.
Great video! Maybe in the future try some OEM filters? The Mazda filters I use have much larger inlet holes and no drainback valve because they are mounted under the engine. I'm afraid to use off the shelf filters because they might be too restrictive.
We will be testing some OEMs! Thank you so much for watching and supporting the channel!
Oh yeah, I'm definitely looking forward to some OEM filter testing!
@@BrandRanksYes Please do an OEM Mazda oil filter without the drain back valve vs aftermarket Mazda oil filter.
The MAZDA 2.0 ENGINE Oil Filter is vertically located on the Engine!! The 2.0 has an Integrated bypass valve in the engine itself!! Same bypass valve built into the Engine Block setup as General Motors small block V-8 Engines!! Some Ford Engines have a bypass valve built in the Block also!! There are quite a few other Engines that have used this type of technology also!! Be careful when using a filter that is Cross referenced between manufacturers as some AC DELCO filters Will Not have a built in bypass valve!! Unless you Engine has an internal bypass valve, you will be starving the engine of oil in Cold Weather, and if the filter starts being restrictive due to dirt contamination!!🤢🤢🤔🤔🤔😉😊
I've heard that Amsoil oil filter is actually the Fram Endurance....I'm super excited to watch that! Awesome videos as always!
Thank you so much for your continued support @luxcabelga We will be testing the Amsoil soon, so lets see how it performs!
yes it's the same. I have cut both apart and they are both the same and both made by champ labs, although one difference I noticed with the ones I bought is that the fram was made in usa while the amsoil was made in mexico
@@drworo2996 thanks for the info, good sir.
Currently, yes, they are basically the same filter with very few differences, made in the same factory, same media, same parts, etc.
Thanks!
Thank you so much for the kind donation! It is much appreciated!
Be nice to know if blocked media bypass will damage the media. Like our cheapest phram with crumpled media. Why did it crumple???
Exactly at what pressure does the bypass open on these filters? I really think people freak out about "unfiltered oil" but the reality is a ton of oil gets circulated unfiltered when cold or at very high pressures, etc. Dirty oil is a minor issue, no oil is a game ender.
Would love to see Amsoil. Another channel cut open the Fram Endurance and Amsoil. They appeared identical in every respect. Seeing it put through the Rig 2.0 would be final confirmation if the similarities are more than skin deep. Great series. Loving it.
Getting the right size iron particulates might be difficult, but I’d love a test to see how effective external magnets are on oil filters.
To go a step further, I wanna see the ones that wrap around the side like the filtermag, those big round ones that stick to the end of the filter, and for the budget-minded like me just slap some small neodymium magnets on and see what happens.
Actually, quite impressive from a scientific and mechanical prospective. You explain the standards of the testing and have very specific criteria for your ratings. Great information for us who actually do our own maintenance.
Looking forward to the AMSOil filter test!
We are as well! Thank you so much for watching and supporting the channel!
Great video! I would love to see an OEM comparison - especially Motorcraft FL500s.
Great suggestion! Thanks for watching
One thing to take into account when measuring capacity is the fact that the ones that filted best, will often clog the fastest. That mkes the purolator boss even more impressive as it not only had fantastic filtering ability, but also a huge capacity.
Or, you could search up BITOG for Ascent's testing against multiple brands and see that the Boss is HORRIBLE.
@@N-M424 That may be true with air filters, but not oil filters. The increased pressure (delta p) caused by loading will force some of the already captured particles through.
@@OxBlitzkriegxO Yeah, I'm finding the testing rubric on this channel is pretty bad, heavily biased toward flow and capacity with little concern for efficiency.
@@wiredforstereo google search for bitog ascent oil filter test. youll find the thread.
@@wiredforstereoplease explain for a newb like me
I see a lot of people are giving you grief in the comments over your energy, but I disagree. It comes across as natural enthusiasm and is a nice counterbalance to the dry facts. Great channel, subscribed.
Thank you so much for your comment! Really appreciate your support and so glad you subscribed!
natural enthusiasm? like a coked out used car salesman that has you running back to your car.
The energy regarding oil filters is unmatched! I felt you were about to jump out from behind the desk! This is a great series and I enjoy the videos.
😂😂 I did get carried away a bit in this one, lol! Reason why I was restrained on the next one 🤣 thanks for watching and supporting the channel. Glad you enjoyed
360,000 miles on my 2005 6.0 vortec using Fram Ultra filters and SuperTech FullSynthetic 10k oil @ 7k change intervals (for the last 260,000 miles). Burns only 1/2 qt between changes!
(first 100,000 miles were plain ol penzoil 5w30 & fram orange-can every 3,000 miles.)
These days keep your oil and filter clean (don't overuse) and an engine is only gonna die from something else besides wear.
I would love it, if you re-did the filters from rig 1.0 along side the amsoil testing! To see how they stack up with the rest (or at least the mobil 1😅) Great job btw! I think you're going to, if not already become the king of oil filter testing and many can use your videos as references when purchasing filters, to know what they're really paying for.
Awesome videos and test.
I like that you show the ranking of all filters tested so far at the end. Only suggestion there is maybe also show the actual results. One filter might be a single ranking above the next but performing 2x as good. Seeing the actual values for each category across all the filters can help us see how much better one is over the other in a snapshot.
Love this test setup. Keep up the grwat work.
Also would like to see mobil-1 20k mile filter tested.
Tha k you so much for your kind words and the awesome idea! There are so many ways of showing the rankings and day and wanted to make sure it was not overwhelming for people but you bring a great point! Thank you again! Also, we will be testing Mobile 1 in the next video😊
It's a hands down one of the most useful channels I've ever found Thank you I'll be buying you a beer.
sweet. cant wait to see what else you guys bring to the table!
Thank you so much! It means a lot to read this! Appreciate the support.
On the extra guard, wouldn't the dirty oil have to get past the glue in order to completely seep between that gap? Yes we can see the pleats, but the second those pleats meet the endcap, there is a wall of glue right? Not to mention the silicone anti drainback valve inserts into that space and blocks it off anyway. Please let me know if I am misunderstanding.
Great testing. I like you new and improve oil filter testing rig. I know you have tested Wix XP, but it would be great to see a standard Wix which supposedly has better filtration than the XP model. Wix says it's rated at 95% @ 20u. It would also be great to see a Motorcraft, AC/Delco and Bosch tested as well. Keep up the great work.
Thank you so much for the kind words! We will be testing the standard Wix in a future video. Appreciate your support!
Man keep uploading i'm so interested in all brands vs videos more often, even if its garden tools, power tools, diy tools, socket sets, rims and more! And even air filters! K&N especially
I'd love to see a test of what I do with most of my cars. >Using an OVERSIZED oil filter<
For instance, instead of a wix 1348 on my Dodge, I can fit a 1515. Does increasing the size increase capacity while lowering restriction? Your rig is perfect for finding the answers!
another great video in this series. can’t wait for the next
Thank you so much for your continued support. It is greatly appreciated!
I used the orange can of death for years for a 96 ford contour 2000cc 4 cylinder. Never had any issues. The last filter I put on my car is the orange can of death.
These videos are great. I am diesel mechanic and was wondering if you could do filters from cat, Cummins, John Deere..ect?
Thank you so much for watching and supporting the channel. That is a great idea. We have several test running at the moment, but we will look into it!
Would be interested to see how the motorcraft fl500 oil filter would do in these tests
We will be testing Motorcraft in the OEM video. Thank you for watching and supporting thew channel.
Can't wait for the Amsoil filter comparison!
Same! Thanks for watching and supporting the channel
Hey guys! You seemed to missed three additional FRAM filters! They’re exclusively available only at Advance Auto Parts. It’s the FRAM Force, FRAM Drive, and FRAM Titanium filter. Additionally if you want “all” FRAM filters try buying or asking a Walmart Lube Tech employee to give you a FRAM Core filter. Aside from that keep it up, these videos are informative and helpful!!!
Thank you so much for the info! If we ever do another Fram we will include along the racing filter. Thank you for your support!
I was going to suggest the Fram Titanium but saw there’s more wow 😯
Great video. Your channel, editing and testing methods are top notch. Just wish you would upload more often because I really enjoy watching your videos. lol. Would love to see if you can test Ryco branded filter since that’s the most common filter here in Australia. Unfortunately many of the filters you tested aren’t available here or are hard to find.
Keep up the great work guys!!
Thank you so much for the kind words! It really means a lot to hear this. We also wish we could upload more often, but it's hard with full time engineering jobs. Hopefully one day we can do this full time! We tried to get a RYCO filter but they did not ship to US!
306K on my 96 Chevy Limina Van using the Tough Guard and synthetic oil. Had to do a double head gasket change last summer, and there was no ridge in any of the piston bores. I don't use the filter recommended for my vehicle but the biggest Tough Guard I can find that fits, as long as the gasket matches. I would like to know how those flow rates match up with speed or rpm. Maybe most vehicles never see those higher rates.
Purolator tech (bought in bulk) and Supertech are a couple of the cheapest options for filters (per unit). At about $3 per filter. It'd be an interesting comparison of cheap vs value.
Thanks for the recommendation and for watching! Much appreciated 👍
Can you test the pressure of the filters before they blow?
well, I feel a bit better using the ultra, always wondered if it filtered any better than the basic filter. seems to be worth the couple extra dollars.
Well worth it! Thanks for watching and supporting the channel!
I would like to see you redo the very first test you did using these parameters to see how they stack up against all of these. Also, a final overall ranking in order from worst to best would be nice.
@larryhaile6438, we have just released a new video where we test the K&N and the Mobil one, feel free to check it out! Thanks for watching!
Very good stuff. Can't wait to compare to OEM.
We will be! Thank you so much for watching and supporting the channel!
I love the oil filter series. Learned a lot.
I love to see how Toyota, Honda, and any other OEM filter performs.
I cannot find any filter, flow or filtration data for Honda or Toyota oil filters.
I did notice that my Honda CRV runs better with a Honda filter. I assume it’s a less restrictive filter. Cannot find any data on them though.
Would you guys be willing to run Honda and Toyota filters through your testing set up?
I think a lot of people would appreciate it.
Wow, this was a great video and explain everything so perfectly. I finally made my decision keep up the great work.
Thank you so much for your kind words. Glad you liked it! Your support is greatly appreciated 👍.
Great testing procedure and love the data from the tests! Cannot wait to find out how the Bosch filters I've been using for the better of 15 years stack up haha (Bosch 3330 is equivalent to PH3614)
Yes! Thank you so much for watching and supporting the channel!
Wire backed glass fiber media will always be king when it comes to efficiency.
Amazing stuff! Thanks for watching and supporting the channel.
Actually a paper media will filter better than glass fiber. This has been proven by numerous oil developers and engineers.
@@ohboy2592 Sorry, but that is completely incorrect. I don't know where you heard that, but it is very well established by all the major industrial filtration companies (Donaldson, Parker, Fleetguard, etc) that micro glass fiber can achieve the highest efficiency with a full flow filter.
You aren't going to see cellulose oil filters exceeding about 99% @ 30microns. Glass fiber can get to 99% @20micron without being too restrictive for most automotive engines.
Part of the fram orange can of death was from a fault in production a few years ago. It was something about the filter media seam was not correctly connected allowing oil to just bypass the filter all tognther.
Back in the middle 70s I had a Lotus Europa. I had problem where I got a rod/main bearing rattle at startup. Smelling a rat I changed the oil filter to a non Fram filter. The rattle went away. Haven't used one since. I have also heard that Fram filters bypass early. Fram, not fir me.
Fram are probably fine if you get a good one. The last time I used Fram was years ago when I put one on my Alfa Romeo and filter had a faulty anti-drainback valve. Large delay in getting oil pressure on startup. Having a decent oil pressure gauge helped me quickly see the problem, perhaps some people wouldn't have noticed. Changed the filter and never used Fram again.
Have not used a Fram filter since i had one come apart internally and starve my motor of oil. Had a nasty liftet tick. Changed the oil and switched filter brands. Never had anymore oil pressure problems.
Been following the oil forums for awhile so I'll be making the jump to endurance once its OCI is due.
You blokes are awesome. Unfortunately it seems here in Australia we don't have many of the options you guys have
Thank you so much for your support! We tried getting a RYCO over here for you guys but no one would ship it here.
May you test MicroGard Select Oil
Part # MSL51372 Line: MGD. You can find it at O'Reilly's Auto parts. This filter says it is a full Synthetic media. I wonder how it compares to the Wix XP and Purolator Boss and Mobil 1 oil filters, when it comes to restriction and how small of particles and how much they can filter out.
I was at Walmart comparing fram endurance ($12) vs motorcraft ($8) and I settled with motorcraft cause the ports were much bigger. I had the fram synthetic on my truck and I notice on cold start I would hear a slight rattle. Now that I’m running the OEM motorcraft filter its smooth and quiet on cold start.
Thanks for watching and sharing! We will be testing Motorcraft soon!
@@BrandRanks thank you. I enjoyed this video. Hoping this channel blows up. And looking forward to the motorcraft video 👍
When I cold start every morning, I also hear a rattle. It's m-m-m-my t-t-t-t-eeth.
@@bruzote_ put on another layer lol
If your a toughguard fan just spend the extra and get the Ultra .
Indeed! Thank you so much for watching and supporting the channel!
I usually get Extra guard but may upgrade to Tough guard. But this is just for my lawn tractor. For my car it's whatever my mechanic uses - I should ask him next time, he has about 30-40 years experience.
I’ve used Fram ultra filters on my Camry for 3 years after Mobil 1 went to paper from a synthetic filter back in 2021. (The Camry filter is not inside a housing so you can see the material being used).
I just bought a fram ultra filter for an oil change last week and they now have downgraded to a paper material in their ultra series.
So looks like I’ll be switching to Purolator Voss series!
Great work!! Can't wait to see the Amsoil test, but I think it will be similar if not identical to the Fram Endurance.
Thank you so much for watching and supporting the channel. We can't wait either!
Billy Mays, reincarnated.
But wait, there's more...!
Have been using ultra guard for a long time. Never had any issues. On a side note, I use only OE Kawasaki oil filters on my small engines. The automobile filters ive found to be too restrictive for small engines/ commercial mowers
Thank you for doing this, Im a wix xp user but considering switching to purolator boss.
The fram endurance also looks good. ❤ thanks again guys.
Thank YOU! Really appreciate your kind words. So glad we were able to help. We still have some more filters to test and at the end we will see which one is the best. Thank you again for your support!
@@BrandRanks you are the kind of youtube channel the world needs, I mean it. Ill buy you not just a beer, but a 12 pack. 🍻🍻
That means a lot to us! It's hard running a channel and having full time jobs, but comments like yours makes it all worthwhile @jibrilthegreat35
Thanks for the time and effort put in. Another great video!
Thank you for your continued support! It really means a lot to us!
I noticed that the standard versions of the flow meter you're using is only accurate for viscosity up to 110 cST, while the cold oil test uses ~400 cST fluid. Are you using a special order version rated for higher viscosity? The loss of accuracy isn't a big deal for comparative testing, but I'd expect the actual flow to be lower than what the meter reads.
A "cold" test with oil at ~50-60 cST fluid would be more interesting, since at 400 cST, an engine's oil pump will be in pressure relief and probably never pumping more than ~1-3 GPM through the oil filter, with the remaining flow going back into the sump. ~50 cST is closer to a "worst-case" viscosity for oil filter dP/bypassing, since it's thick enough to cause high filter dP, but thin enough that the oil pump won't be bypassing much oil. The flow meter would be accurate with this viscosity as well.
Love the tests! Thanks again, guys!
Thank you for your continued support! Glad you enjoyed!
Good stuff, I appreciate how you quickly get into the testing and results! I'm running a Fram right now because it was my only option at the time, but I try to steer clear of them in general.
What was the viscosity of the fluid at the test temperature for the hot and cold tests?
@ThrSpinelessNinja we used ISO VG 460 oil for the cold simulation and Aeroshell 41 for the hot simulation to simulate motor oil viscosity at operating temperatures and at 38 degrees fare heir. Please go check out previous video for more detailed explanation into the viscosity. Thanks for watching!
I could'nt understand that you guys in other vedio said the ULTRA FARM has high PSI which was 25 psi. Now, its maximum psi less than 12!!
Hey! We completly re-did our testing methodology to follow more in line with standardized tests. we had great support in our first video and we able to put more money into a new rig. The first video we were measuring only the inlet pressure and not the actual differential pressure across the filter. our first video with this new rig goes over in detail all the changes we did. thanks for watching!
some oil filters are designed to have a certain level of back pressure.
Indeed! Thanks for watching
IN my many years working in the field I have never seen a Fram filter on a commercial engine of any kind. (oil, fuel, or air) Most are Baldwin or NAPA/Wix...some Donaldson, Fleet-guard and OEM.
Thanks for the info and for watching!
Could you please do a test with the FilerMag oil filter magnet? Maybe even add some 10 micron metal particles. It would be really cool to see oil test results before and after to see how much the magnet actually picks up. Would be even better if you pair it up with a cheap oil filter that you've already did the new tests with. Funny if you hooked the extra guard up with it. Since its the worst performing and maybe the Wix XP just to see how much it helps the filtering below the 30 microns.
I use a cartridge type filter in my Tundra, so I get to see the filtration media before. The Fram FE10295 looks like to OE TRD filter. It even comes with silicone O-rings. I believe that Fram has stepped up their game with the FE filters, and it is made in the US.
Great video 😊 i like how you did the fram line of filters. It would be awesome to see Purolator's line of them done. I especially wish to know how restrictive the Purolator one filter is 😮
Thank you so much for your support. That's a great suggestion, we still have several filters to go so we will look into it. Again, thank you for the support!
I would like to see the AC Delco filters and how they stack up to the others, not just against other OEM's but to all others. Question: would these results be posted online somewhere for everyone to see on a chart and graph to compare any and all filters you have tested?
Thank you so much for watching! We will be testing the AC Delco in this series. At the end we will post the results, we are a small channel sow e are working on our website to maybe post it there. Thank you again!
Make sure you inspect Purolator filters before purchasing. I’ve found quite a few where the center tube openings are not actually open, resulting in low or no flow. Fun Fact, the Fram Endurance is the same filter as the Amsoil, so I’ll be curious if there’s any discernible difference.
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@@BrandRanksthis is my kinda stuff that I nerd out on. Checkout Whip City Wrencher regarding the Amsoil and Fram tear down. I’d also be curious to see an OEM Subaru filter vs aftermarket like the Fram (7317) endurance and others. There’s a been a long time debate that Subaru filters require a 27psi relief valve. But I side with others that believe that’s due to how restrictive the OEM filter media is in an effort to reduce bypass. Not to mention that most Subarus are 0w20 which would further reduce the pressure differential. I’ve been using the Fram Ultra and Endurance on my Subaru and clearly it hasn’t failed. Haha
do you think Amsoil is more like Royal Purple or Fram Endurance ? because Royal purple didn't do so well in their tests.
That was fun fact. You have me laughing my AF.
I recently got an oil change at Walmart. It was $11 extra cost to get the Fram Endurance filter installed with my oil change. The synthetic oil they use is claimed to last 5,000 miles. Total cost was like $65.
That's not a bad deal and with a great filter!. thanks for watching
Have you guys tested K&N? I'd like to see that with some of the other high performance filters.
We will be testing it in the next video. Make sure to subscribe so you don't miss it! Thanks for watching
About to change my oil cause there’s a tiny pin hole in the bottom of my oil filter. Not sure if a rock got flung into it from my tires or what. Great video
I would like to see Fleetguard , Baldwin , and bobcat filters for us diesel and equipment guys. Great video!
That's a great suggestion! We will look into since it would require several modifications to the rig to be able to accept those filters. Really appreciate your support!
Great test, cheers!
Thank you! Your support is greatly appreciated!
I thank you guys for actually looking into the oem recommendation i had in the last test video. Good luck guys i hope it comes out great. I wish you guys the best in channel growth. You already have the video design of veteran guys so your set 😂. cant wait for the next video.
Yes! We will be doing OEMs currently under test. Appreciate your support and suggestions. We really couldn't do this with all of y'alls support!
Super presentation! As a non-informed consumer, I always used the Fram brand exclusively thinking a filter is a filter! And that end grip to change by hand hooked me. No more Fram for me since about a year ago! (Unless that top tier one ?? IDK maybe? ).
Yeah that Fram Endurance was actually pretty good. Thank you so much for watching!
Definitely do a filter from every manufacturers legendairy engines! For Lexus get a 1uzfe filter. Honda get a b or k series filter. Nissan a sr or ka. Chevy or ford get a filter for any of the big blocks like ford 460 or Chevy 494. Mercedes w117.
Thank you for the recommendations and for watching!
Great video. A bypass comparison would be SUPER nice.
Great suggestion! Thanks for watching and supporting the channel
Looks like purolator Boss is the best bang for your buck. I can’t believe the amsoil filter will do much better for the price difference. And those that change oil at 5,000 miles the Fram endurance is a good buy as well
the only thing you have to get over is the potential "tearlator" history of Purolator filters. It still occasionally happens even of recently. Just google it.
I’m new to your channel. Very impressive oil filter testing process. Having brought bulk oil by the 10,000 L at a time for dealers. I’ve been lucky enough to visit oil production factories. You set up is very similar to the laboratories in big oil producers. Keep up the amazing work.
Hey! Thank you so much for your kind words. Comments like yours keeps us motivated. We tried our best to replicate the process as much as possible with the limited budget if a small channel. Hopefully one day we grow and we can afford even better equipment. Again, thanks for watching and supporting the channel!