Is Porn Okay To Avoid Adultery? w/ Jonathon Van Maren
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- Опубликовано: 30 мар 2023
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Jonathon and Matt breakdown the clip from Jordan Peterson's Exodus series on The Daily Wire about lust, adultery, and p0rnogr@phy.
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Can we give Thursday a thumbs up for his editing job on this clip. What a guy. Am I right, Brett?
Good Job Thursday with finding the sources the speaker was referencing and posting on the screen! I would just add that it would be good to just leave the article up on the screen a little bit longer so I have at least ten seconds to pause the video to read the article snip it. Thanks!
I hope you ask him this question.
When I watch a movie say Harry Potter { I'm reading the book it was based on just now). I know it's fantasy. I know it's not real.
But when a person watches porn , aside from logistic modification to allow the viewing of certain ... things, people believe that it is all real. Not just the actions, but reactions. I was watching the first episode of the highlander TV series recently. In the first scene a couple was having sex ( mostly off screen ), the woman was laughing. not moaning, not making faces. Jsut laughing. Not something you would see in porn.
It creates unrealistic expectations.
Thank you so much Matt and Johnathan. This needed to be addressed. Keep up the great work! ❤
I just wanted to say I went to Confession today for the first time in months, and I was kind of doubting, and almost didn’t expect anything to happen at all, I kind of wasn’t emotionally in it, but I still felt weirdly different, and a strong pull afterwards to do the right thing, and such. Definitely the Holy Spirit.
Brett's a lurker.
We all know!
Absolutely not! When my wife and I became boyfriend and girlfriend she told me she’d break up with me if she found out I was watching porn and she considered it cheating. It was the last little push I needed from the Holy Spirit to never watch porn again.
When your wife and you *became* boyfriend and girlfriend? I think you meant to say when you and your wife *were* boyfriend and girlfriend
And what did you tell her she could never do, or you'd break up with her?
@@erikthered1111 Nothing. I was impressed she said that and knew it was from the Holy Spirit because I was 2 months clean at that time from a porn addiction I was fighting. I’m now 5 years clean. What’s your point?
@@joecardone4887 I think his point is that your wife wears the pants in the family. I could be wrong.
@@GrislyAtoms12 I’d say we’re pretty even as far as decision making goes. But we’re both good at communicating our thoughts and feelings to each other and in this case this was a good thing for her to tell me. It helped me beat this addiction and now we have a good marriage and 2 kids.
“I want him to love the good - not just obey it.” Beautiful.
Why would Anyone love it?? The ONLY incentive, for the gullible who believe it anyway, is that if you DON'T, you will be tormented in a horrible place for ever and ever. There is literally NO other motivation conceivable.
The mental gymnastics we sinners go through to stay in our sin, God help us
Even if it was just ONE picture of ONE woman, that woman in that image is actually a real person, created by God, and deserves the dignity and respect due as a human being with a soul that was made for Heaven.
I’m not practicing voodoo, where think that a picture “is” a person. watch out, or i’ll poke a picture of you with a pin!
@russ254 what? Nobody is creating dolls of women to appear in pornography, it's the real women who appear there, being violated and taken advantage of.
So, hentai?
@@russ254 I don’t want to look at a picture of that woman thinking of what I can take from that woman. Using the feminine form as a se-ual object is what your doing, the form of a real woman.
@@stanislavmk1 Lust is unnatural outside of Marriage, against the Natural Order of things. Also, henta- still comes with all of the problems of bringing your mind into a fantasy world.
Porn is training in infidelity
Amen. C.S. Lewis wrote about an imaginary "harem" I think on this. It's poison for marriage, before, during and after.
Plenty of people watch it and never cheat. In fact, by allowing them to self satisfy, it likely prevents cheating as Dennis said. But do whatever is best for your marriage.
Do you have proof of that?
Matt Walsh made a great point about porn. He said if a man were to book a hotel room and sit in the corner and watch two people have sex, it would be seen as cheating, yet porn is the exact same thing just through a screen instead. I’ve noticed that religious men tend to be soft on porn, but porn is certainly not “soft” on the psyches of those who watch it.
Yep, I’m 18, so I know the deadly effects of it, it’s extremely addictive, more than smoking, alcohol, etc, we’re on me. Furthermore, if you really think about it, it’s like if you got two prostit-des to have s, except it’s on the internet. It’s basically “that” with extra steps. Your also only thinking about using that woman’s body for your own pleasure and that’s it, treating the woman’s form, and therefore the woman, as an object. You also happen to be immersing your mind into a fantasy world, and giving yourself a por addiction slowly and effecting yourself to all the downsides of said addiction. It also happens to show some of the worst and perverse things thought up by man, and you don’t know if the woman is s trafficked, underage, the video ruined her life, she didn’t consent to the video, if it’s deepfaked, or even if she kinda got forced into it by life situation. It’s again just like pro-, but with extra steps. It’s the same thing, except practically everyone does it, and it seems to have severe consequences on the psyches of young men. That’s why you see all the girls on Snapchat constantly being swarmed by guys asking them for nud- pictures.
Soft on porn. Yep, that’s a consequence too. Porn creep is the term.
Only an insane person would see either of those as cheating haha
Porn has always grossed me out since I heard about it when I was a young teen. I instinctively thought to myself that I wouldn't want to be with a man that watches it. Seeing my male friends develop vile and degrading fetishes, which they call normal, shows me how corrupted the mind can get from watching it.
A man who proposed romantic relations with me said he wanted me to partake in strange sexual acts with him (after marriage), then joked about doing it against my will after I repeatedly rejected the idea. It's very weird because he's otherwise very kind and pure-hearted. I also take note that he started watching at a young age, and that's when the mind is vulnerable. He seems very fixated on things he's seen in porn, that he would like "to try just once" as he says.
I can understand those teen girls Jonathon mentioned, how their boyfriends wanted to do things they saw in porn. It's become so common that it's scary, as a woman. A male friend would say to me that I'M the one not normal for not wanting to partake in certain acts seen in porn. Then calls me "boring", which adds pressure onto me as if I'm being unreasonably against something. Then he goes on to say "every man watches it" like it's become unavoidable and common practice that people must accept as normal. It's madness.
I went through the EXACT same thing. My boyfriend also seemed very pure hearted but ended up saying he’ll have to cheat on me or watch porn because he knew I wouldn’t want to do crazy things in bed once we’d marry. This was a direct result of not only his porn addiction but also his past promiscuity. He literally told me how I’d never compare to his past partners. I broke up with him that night, never saw him again.
Well, you see a lot of sex and nudity, women aren't supposed to like being "abused" not all are against being abused,however people adapt to different sexual roleplay, men or women.
Details on what the "strange" acts were, or else I call B.S.
_”When a guy says that was consensual, he’s saying ‘She was asking for it.”_
Not to get too in the weeds here, but women are also affected by pornography, and many do literally ask to be choked. It’s not purely a sign of male aggression, it’s an indicator of escalating desires on the part of both sexes as they chase a high that gets further and further away over time.
That’s true. I’d also say there’s a range of acceptable behavior. Sometimes women like to be handled roughly. I can see both sides of that argument. In my opinion, even if it’s not ipso facto sinful to choke your wife if she wants to be, it’s probably an unhealthy thing with roots in pornography and wrong attitudes or beliefs.
@@francikeen I respectfully disagree. I think in many cases the attitude behind it might be, but by nature many women like assertive behavior like that, or to be handcuffed or whatever. I don’t think it’s sinful as long as no one is being hurt. You can say choking is hurtful always, but so is a loving pinch. Obviously, there’s some differences there, but there’s just nothing in the Catholic magisterium that says it’s sinful, and we shouldn’t start making things sins that the Catholic Church hasn’t declared to be sins. It’s an undefined area and if it violates your conscience you should avoid it.
@@francikeen it’s just your opinion that it’s perverse. There’s nothing out there explicitly banning rougher bedroom activity. Many Catholics would say certain activities that are fine are perverse as it violates their conscience. That’s fine. But, if you’re going to assert something is wrong you have to have a reason other than appealing to conscience, as it’s not an argument or a standard. In my opinion, it’s fine if a woman wants that, provided reasoning isn’t something perverted itself. I think if it’s just simply rooted in certain woman’s natural desire to be dominated by a man, that’s fine as it’s rooted in biological impulses. I think married couples should feel free to enjoy things they like provided there’s no serious harm, the conjugal act itself is fulfilled properly and not some kind of sodomy, and it’s not explicitly banned by the magisterium.
It's an inicator for the lack of loving respect each has for the other. Asking someone to abuse you is not merely innocent fun, it is training them in abuse, getting them to cross lines that cannot be uncrossed, to treat you as an object or victim.
Yeah I was in a relationship with a girl who wanted to be choked. I never did though, but there are a lot of women who will actively ask their partner for this so its not simply a thing that a "Bad" man is inflicting upon a poor innocent woman.
I get the feeling Dennis might be trying to defend himself.
I agree.
"And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? "
@Marc Hess Why did you choose to only reference verse 3 in Matthew 7? Why did you choose to omit verse 4 and verse 5, particularly verse 5?
@@niram4107 3 is widely known and makes my point. Why do you accuse me of "omitt(ing)"?
But I say to you, everyone who looks at a woman with lust has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
Matthew 5:28
He's jewish, so i don't really think he thinks the book of Matthew applies to him.
What if you look at a nude woman without lust in your heart?
@@thadtheman3751 "It is God’s will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; that each of you should learn to control your own body in a way that is holy and honorable, not in passionate lust like the pagans, who do not know God"
1 Thessalonians 4:3
The word here is "control" your passions. We are humans not animals who are slaves to their instincts.
Watching porn IS adultery. You're going to someone who's not your spouse for sexual acts. The mistress just happens to be on a screen.
lol then I love adultery
I have been listening Dennis Prager for years. You are mistaken in thinking that he hasn't said much of the same thing several times. One thing I give Dennis Prager credit for is being consistent. Wrong on this, but consistent.
Consistently a pig. Awesome.
Which group pushes pornography the most?
I concur. I was watching a video with Dennis Prager a couple of years ago where he expressed the same sentiment of the outer behavior being the real issue, not the inner thoughts/desires (in regard to homosexualityi believe). I don't think this is a Judaism vs Christian issue either bc psalms tells us God desires a contrite and repentant heart over sacrifices and offerings. God clearly cares about the inner heart, not just outward behaviors. It made me realize that while I appreciate his voice, I take some of what he says with a grain of salt. Still surprised by this stance on porn though since it is still involving outer behaviors toward others I'd argue.
@@SY-cs9ch Dangerous question, my guy. I couldn't tell you, but the 👃 knows.
@@SY-cs9ch Casual sex, (where, the '"pill", abrtn and prngphy are the tools that enable it) is a billion dollar a year industry and it is protected by lobbies in politics and the media (in print and Hollywood).
Nobody has brought up how it would make your wife feel. Is that loving her or making her feel safe with you.
I know, that needs to be talked about too, especially with Dennis's comment concerning women that go to him about their husbands using porn, and he asks them how the sex life is so basically blaming the wife for not being good enough in bed. Studies show men who use porn often get erectile dysfunction and other such issues... It's not the wife's fault, and expecting her to compete with porn stars is unfair and dehumanizing.
@Rachel Luna I know many women who, during ovulation, become highly attracted to many men and have a "natural" instinct to breed. I wonder if they'd give wives this advice. Can you imagine 🤣🤣🤣 "Wife, go use porn in addition to your husband. Then, you can feel like you've had many men. Successful ones that make great money type porn. So you can feel safe, secure, and have mock pregnancies." 🤣🤦♀️🤷♀️
Is it me or did Dennis contradict himself ? He says that the interior morality doesn’t matter to him but the behavior. But then he condemns a behavior based on the intent or the interior motive. One instance is good because the person’s intent is to avoid adultery, the other instance is bad because the motive is to avoid intimacy with his wife. So is it the behavior that’s wrong or the intent behind the behavior ?
“but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.”
Matthew 5:28 LSB
Depends if it’s an addiction and the actual lusting in there heart. It’s definitely a SIN either way
So then how is lust differentiated at all? Also I was under the impression that adultery is when marriage is involved.
@@scarab088 Lust is differentiated from
Adultery. One can be lustful and commit adult ry if married and one can be Lustful but not commit adultery because not married. And porn is a sin whether is a single person or a married person
I really like Dennis Prager, but I think this clip really highlights fundamental differences between Christianity and Judaism. He’s a wise man but he’s also been married 3 times so I’d take his relational advice with a grain of salt…
Trumps been married three times yet you act like he’s the savior of your religion
@@GameFap What?
Why do you think Prager gives the traditional Jewish/Torah, point of view? What is your source for information on Judaism?
This convo between these two is fantastic. It sums up so many of my thoughts on this so articulately.
Receiving sexual gratification from someone other than your wife is adultery.
Right. And it has to be committed physically.
Not from christians perspective. Jesus said "But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart."
@@rabbialmodovar7231
Great distinction !
Porn leads directly to adultery. My husband became addicted. He then found someone else.
I'm so sorry.
I'll be interviewing Prager in studio for Locals supporters only very soon about this whole ordeal. Become a Locals supporter to get access: mattfradd.locals.com/support
Just make sure you manage to really put all the points that have been raised by yourself, Trent, Jonathon and others to Dennis and really keep him on his toes, because Dennis often naturally controls his conversations and he has often repeated the same points he made in that video so I don't expect him to roll over on anything. Good luck Matt!
... and you did a fantastic, fantastic job, so well done!
People have to remember that Dennis Prager is Jewish, not Christian, thus he wouldn't agree with what Jesus said about looking at women with lust is committing adultery in your heart. Jesus spoke those words in context towards self righteous individuals who claimed they kept the Mosaic law and thus had no need for repentance or a savior. Jesus wanted to highlight that everyone sins and is in need of a savior and repentance. Similarly, Jordan Peterson might be a theist but he's never considered himself a follower of Christ and still lives very much in the world of psychology. So it should not be shocking that they would choose the lesser evil of visual porn over physical adultery. It's like saying "well it's better to play violent video games if it satisfies those desires than it is to commit actual acts of violence". For the world we live in today if it can quell some evil they consider it a win.
This was an incredibly disappointing response by Prager. Pornography is so pervasive and so destructive that it should be banned and eradicated from existence, not excused in ANY way.
Yeah good luck with that.
@@GameFap that's a good attitude to have. Do I believe that porn will go away? Nope. Do I believe it should and we should fight against it for the good of everyone? Yep.
There will always be evil and we should always fight it not give up and say good luck with that.
Daily Wire doesn't dictate to Walsh and Knowles what to talk about, so they might indeed have something to say. We will see!
Daily Wire only dictates what to not talk about.
@@thomasvonaquin2381 Joos! As Ben would put it.
There’s no way Prager doesn’t know the extent of porn these days. Just look at the extent they go to on network television. Cable television is 100x worse.
Dennis isn’t a Christian and thus, has said lots of unchristian things.
I think it’s a good time to read Mt 23:27 when Prager speaks about not caring about the interior. Woe to you….you are like whitewashed tombs; beautiful on the outside but filled with decay on the inside. The external law serves to guide the interior
The original title of this video was: "Is Porn Adultery?" That's why you are seeing people answering yes.
Is stealing ok to avoid theft? Porn and adultery are the same, simple as
Looking at the comments, I am assuming and hoping the title question was phrased differently in the first few minutes of it's publication.
Yes, thank goodness. It was titled “Is porn adultery?”
Yeah I’m so confused lok
Very good point about editing. Be skeptical of edited video clips that refer to hot-button topics, especially those not published by the speaker of the controversial statement. I'm not 100% sure that Pope Francis actually made the "civil union" comment a couple years ago, because there's a bit of B-roll between the crucial halves of his statement. It wouldn't destroy my faith if he actually did, and it seems like that was what he meant, but we should reserve judgment when we hear that X said Y while the camera was rolling.
Matt, I watched the live stream on this topic which you did on your Victory channel. I appreciated what you shared with such sensitivity. I’ve noticed it’s since been removed 😢- is it possible to list it again?
This is a completely wrong dialectic. One should fully commit to Christ, and recognize it’s never ‘okay’. When you feel temptations, say the Jesus prayer 100 times with prostrations. Do not give into the devil. Do not let him win. Everything is possible through Jesus Christ. So trust Him.
When do you do the prostrations? Every Jesus prayer? Every 10? Every 25?
@@hithere3355 Completely up to you, how you are feeling, how much time you have etc. I usually do one per prayer.
@@Ricky-es9vg nice, I’ve never heard of this, I’ll try it soon
@@hithere3355 Great!
I’m not Catholic, I practice Orthodoxy so it may be more common there. Also might find more of this in a Byzantine rite Catholic Church too.
@@Ricky-es9vg Ive been attending a Byzantine Catholic parish for around a year I’ve asked my spiritual director about the Jesus prayer and have tried to get into it. I love the rosary and I want to add the Jesus prayer to my daily prayer routine
It probably doesn't need to be rephrased because that's what he really thinks. Thanks for addressing his disturbing comments.
I am really disappointed with Prager. He said the OT had nothing to teach about lust. I am sure that he must be wrong.
There are fewer examples in the OT than it might seem. Sirach and Wisdom aren't in the Jewish OT. Hard to get around the narrative stories though, e.g. Susanna, Bathsheba, Judith, Jael.
@@francikeen The letter of the law alone leaves uncertainty as to what "covet" means... for that reason and many others, the Jews relied on the Talmud rather than on the OT alone.
When Jesus told the Pharisees/ crowd that surrounded him that it’s sin to even look at another with lust, they were shocked. This is just a continuation that that thinking.
Because the teaching is beyond what a human can do unless he is asexual. All of us look at others with lust; that is what drives the species to continue. Might as well demand that people don't breathe.
@@Charlotte_Martel Lust is an act of the will, not a reflexive response. If I do a double-take at a beautiful person walking by, that's reflexive. If I continue staring long after I realize I've spent too much time looking already, and my thoughts start to turn to an unhealthy fantasy (whether it's sexual or emotional) and I do nothing to redirect my thoughts... then it becomes an act of the will that I am allowing myself to lust after another person, which is when it becomes sinful.
@@Sharker2400 Ahhh, I see what you're saying: the attraction is not under our control, but the act of fantasising is. Understood.
Prager practices Judaism, thus, his religiosity is Christ denying on its basis. Our morality and theology will always diverge because of this. We pray for his conversion.
Porn IS Adultery
When Dennis Prager said that Judaism is not concerned with the inner life, I guess he never heard of the Hasids and Essenes.
He's a Rabbinic Jew, the direct descendant of Pharisaic Judaism following the destruction of the 2nd Temple. In their rejection of the Messiah and the loss of their temple(as Jesus prophesied), their new religion centered around the teachings of the post-temple Rabbis, collected and recorded in their books called the Talmud.
I gotta disagree with a point made about the “ 50 shades of grey” phenomena…that was written by a woman and many women were seduced by the written narrative of the “ abusive sex” as a fetish. It wasn’t portrayed as a man pushing it, even though he introduced it. The woman is freaky and goes along of free will.
The devil is not a man, but he most certainly is specifically a he. Free will is the freedom to choose good. Those enslaved to sin, lust or otherwise, are hardly freely choosing.
@@francikeen Amen, it will work every time, if we ask for mercy with our whole heart and accept God's grace to endure temptation.
But the human heart is wicked, we ask for help half heartedly or sometimes not at all. Even when we know our sins we may still find ourselves rashly stumbling. Slaves are not choosing freely, not when they never knew God or have had their faith wither away. They need our prayers, and patience.
@@francikeen Yes, we have a sense of what is good, if we are wise enough to listen carefully to our conscience.
But that wisdom is not in all of us, certainly not all the time. We sin and fall short. All are sinners Romans 3:23, also Romans 7 & 8 are worth reflecting on. St Paul talks about sin and death, from the Old Covenant Law, to the Redemption found in Christ. 8:12-13 makes it plain we are not to sin, but live purely.
With the ancient tradition of public or private confession of sin, sincere prayer and repentance, and forgiving others, we can resolve the lessons of St Paul into the Sacraments we rely on today.
@@francikeen Agreed. In retrospect I should have said "fully free", rather than free.
These are the fruits of a sex positive culture and female prudeness is something that was made to be uncool. This kinda stuff was pushed under the guise of female empowerment. Feminism under a different name. The fact that people had no qualms about reading what was defacto porn in public says all you need to know about our culture
what's worse than something like Prager's and Peterson's "pragmatic" response (to put it mildly), is when other people, esp. people with so many subscribers, start excusing the former, desperately trying to find justifications for their unacceptable statements. If you cannot call somebody out for what they said, then you have even less moral compass than that person, because at least that person stands by his/her 'convictions' as disgusting as they are, but you cannot even stand tall without feeling the need to kiss up to that person. If Prager's and Peterson's "pragmatism" is disgusting, your apologetics of them is pathetic.
You have heard that it was said of old: ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that anyone who looks with lust at a woman has already committed adultery with her in his heart. -Matthew 5:27-28 so looking at porn while married is adultery of the heart. its falling in to what they claim they want to avoid. May God guide us all through christ our lord. amen. remember o sinners that God's door of mercy is always open so enter it in confession.
I think in some ways it was useful to hear, just because it neatly illustrates a pote tial difference that could emerge between Judaism and Christianity. This has historically been part of the problem that a law-focused approach can generate.
Sorry to break it to you, but Judaism comes across as more sensible and pragmatic in this exchange than Christianity. This just demonstrates why Confession is needed by Christians at least once a month while Jews only have a single annual day of atonement.
I don't get what Prager's point was about the man with the bedridden wife. Lots of guys are single for decades and it doesn't excuse them so why would a married man with a disabled wife be any different?
because legalistic equivocation is what jews do repeatedly in the Talmud, and their entire religion is centered around it after the destruction of the 2nd temple
I was watching a video with Dennis Prager a couple of years ago where he expressed the same sentiment of the outer behavior being the real issue, not the inner thoughts/desires (in regard to homosexualityi believe). I don't think this is a Judaism vs Christian issue either bc psalms tells us clearly God desires a contrite and repentant heart over sacrifices and offerings. God clearly cares about the inner heart, not just outward behaviors. It made me realize that while I appreciate his voice, I take some of what he says with a grain of salt. Still surprised by this stance on porn though as this is still clearly adultery. People in porn are still real people
It’s great that we are calling out the evil of ponr and moving in the direction of calling out sin but the final frontier must be reached: Dennis Prager is not just an individual. There is a clear distinct identifiable group of people who are not just random individuals that believe this way and they must be talked about
He probably was trying to make a point about relative evil. That is, they are both awful, but an ordered awful. I don't agree with him, but you could say that if N men commit adultery, then M (where M is some number proportional to N) women sin with him, whereas, if N men look at porn, a much smaller number of women are "partners" in that sin.
This ignores the fact that those small number of women, by appearing in porn, multiply the likelihood of sin through the distribution of those photos to millions of households.
So I think Prager could be convinced to better clarify his iew.
Salvation is of the heart. Dennis is Jewish…he’s not yoked with Jesus Christ…He’s helped me a lot but needs prayers for conversion. ❤️🔥🙏🏽🕊✝️📿😇⛪️✌🏽💒🕯🫀🦨
What!? Is cocaine okay for a substitute for fentanyl!?
WTF
How about no.
Way to call out moral relativism!
Question is how young men, programmed by pornography, can differ between lustful sexual behaviour or even sexual violence and chaste loving marital act. Of course the obvious answer is to be guided by The Holy Spirit but if someone is seriously depraved then his judgement will be clouded or it can even become constant ping pong match between his lustful desires and conscience, without any room for Lord’s Mercy. I know that Church can’t just make a simple list of do’s/dont’s because it can go against creativity of marriage bed and make spouses feel like they’re pardoned from being guided by The Holy Spirit if they just follow the rules, however there’s giantic influx of immoral and degrading sexual abuse from pornography and it should be dealt with both for the sake of hurt women and broken men
By watching and gaining one's satisfaction one's *parttaking* in the abuse of these women and their bodies. Just imagine it wasn't on screen but happening just in front of you and you're a bystander spectator getting aroused by someone sexually abusing women in derogatory ways (because porn scenarios are rarely about 'love making' but they're scenarios of domination/degradation/punishment etc., AND also these women are often factually abused to do these things).
Is it wrong to lust over your spouse via thoughts? Pictures? Videos? 🤔
There’s an extremely “pharisaic” vibe to the way Praeger articulates his points
There just doesn't seem to be much empathy, especially for the women who's husbands are deeply hurting them by looking at porn, the porn stars being exploited and having addiction, suicidal ideation and physical harm done to their bodies, and the women as a whole being treated like objects by society as a whole. I've noticed a severe lack of empathy to women in general in the conservative movement, especially with the whole red pill which just seems like people complaining about women for hours on end, but never men.
Thats because modern "Rabbinic Judaism" is directly descended from "Pharisaic Judaism" after the destruction of the 2nd Temple, and all the records of the levitical priestly lines, just as the Lord Jesus Christ prophesied in the Gospel. They have created their own religion, predicated on the Talmud and the rejection of Christ.
No it's not okay...you can't replace one mortal sin with another mortal sin because you incorrectly believe one is not as bad as another...this is relativism.
I wonder if Mr Prager is speaking of himself or giving and example?
I agree that porn is bad, in all forms, and it is a thing i struggle with - But in order to have our arguments be accurate, lets not assume that all porn is violent in nature.
There is a great segment of people, who has yet to realise that their porn use is actually abuse, who will stop listening once you say that all porn is violent in nature.
Dennis’s words are like Satan whispering into the ears of men. Evil thoughts beget evil deeds.
This is absolutely a subject that needs to be talked about. So many are suffering from porn and I believe for most it genuinely suffering. It's spreads like a cancer into relationships. It's all evil.
Commenting bc thursday asked me to
HE HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR YEARS! 😆 Love Mr. Prager. Been listening to him for decades.
Prager was sooooo wrong.
Can't wait to become a nun.
Yes
I am a woman, and cannot speak directly from mens experiences…I have heard that mens sexuality is very connected to sight. True ?
Because, I hear here the arguments connected to porn movies and pictures, or fantasies of celebrities or ‘the neighbour’. That all indicate visuals. But could there be other options?
I'd say it's most strongly connected to sight. Both porn and lingerie play off that. But that becomes a self-reinforcing tendency.
@@josephfisher426 I wonder why God would do that to men ? 🤔
@@blossom654 It's wiring in common with the hunting/threat detection functions.
@@josephfisher426 How very interesting 🧐
"I care less about the interior person than any of you, ... because I come from a behaviorist law-based religion."
"Shma Yishrael, HaShem Elohenu, HaShem Achad. Va'ahovat at HaShem alihikh bakhol-livivek vabhakhol-napheshekh vabhakhol-madakh." (Deuteronomy 6:4-5). "Hear O Israel, the LORD is our God, the LORD is One. And you shall love the LORD your God with all of your heart, and with all of your soul, and with all of your might."
Is this strictly about use of porn, or self pleasure as such?
same
@@jotunman627 ok…so other people can touch you, but it’s forbidden to touch yourself ? 🤔
@@blossom654 "It is God’s will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; that each of you should learn to control your own body in a way that is holy and honorable, not in passionate lust like the pagans, who do not know God"
1 Thessalonians 4:3
Sin is anything that we keep secret from our mother.
@@jotunman627 I agree ❤️
But self pleasure is not necessarily giving in to lust, more than having sex with your spouse. It depends. This is a huge subject. We should not let lust rule our lives and ‘think with our dicks’ all day long. Nor porn. Nor fantasise about certain people. But there are other beautiful, harmonious ways.
There are also ways to naturally transform and elevate those desires into other creativity (since sexuality is connected to creativity / creation / making babies).
Is this show only for Catholics or are ‘pagans’ allowed a listen and a word?
@@blossom654 both are a sin and are focused on self gratification. The sexual faculties are for the sexual union. If you are not Catholic, you are welcome here but you would not convince a Catholic that sin is acceptable.
Yikes.
Dennis Prager & perhaps all Judaism completely miss the big picture concerning adultery. Dennis recently stated that there is only one organ you can commit adultery with where Jesus (aka, Yeshua - the Jewish Messiah and savior of the world) says, if you look at a woman to lust after her, you have already committed adultery with her in your heart.
Does not the Jewish Tanakh state in Jeremiah 4 v 4 Circumcise yourselves to the LORD, And take away the foreskins of your hearts, You men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem, Lest My fury come forth like fire, And burn so that no one can quench it, Because of the evil of your doings.”? and in Deuteronomy 10 v 16 “Therefore circumcise the foreskin of your heart, and be stiff-necked no longer". But if we follow the same logic and theology of Dennis Prager, the male genitalia is the only organ in Judaism you can circumcise.
Dennis and Judaism fail, or choose not to see things spiritually or recognize that the spiritual heart of man is desperately wicked, can and does commit sin and needs circumcision and redemption. As Jesus said.
No one's gonna say it's the result of Jewish belief? And likewise Pagan beliefs? It's only in the Catholic Church that lust is truly condemned. Protestantism and Orthodoxy do not have any protection against it. See the streams of thought of Martin Luther and Calvin. Those two seem to be enabling lust too actually(Luther: Faith Alone, no Works. Calvin: We are all utterly degenerate, and pre-destined thus no point in being virtuous). And also, America was unable to defend itself against sexual revolution in the 1960s---when America was mostly Protestant-controlled. There was just not the correct foundational basis. Likewise, Orthodoxy also diverged precisely because of sexual affairs in Constantinople back in 800 AD. They don't have any protection against lust at all.
Dennis already said so himself regarding the Judaism---they proved Christ right when He said what He said way back then.
It's really only the Catholic Church that's defending against the destruction of the family presented by lust.
That is why, Faith and reason/logic must come together. If it seems unreasonable or illogical it usually is false.
God is a logical God, the universe is governed by the Laws of Physics....a set of logical laws.
Short answer: Porn IS adultery.
And more than that, it's mortal sin (aka, "you deeply offend God that love you so much, and you're going to Hell if you don't repent and confess it").
I’m so confused. You’re saying is IS okay to watch porn?
It's why I hardly accept the host at mass, unless I go to confession RIGHT BEFORE the evening mass that is held on Saturday. I'll never be free of porn or lust until I'm married, it's a fact I live with. But I KNOW I'm not the only one that deals with it, but I hardly see anyone else refusing to take Eucharist while when I definitely didn't see them wait in line for the confessional
@@lucidlocomotive2014 no, the original title of the video is “Is Porn Adultery?” So everyone is saying “yes porn is adultery” but they clarified the title maybe because they thought it could cause scandal? So now all the original comments look bad
@@scarab088 just saying, don’t rely on marriage to rid you of your porn addiction, because if you aren’t kicking it now then marriage won’t fix it, it’ll only make your marriage worse. Work on it now! (Which I’m sure you are) pray very much and keep going to confession, you CAN lick this addiction with God’s Grace! Don’t leave it until marriage because it WONT go away at all if you do that! God bless you for fighting even still though
@@scarab088 pray the rosary.
are sexless marriages rare?
Dr Pitre wrote about this practice in ancient Jewish society where some married couple would agree with each to remain celibate as an offering to G_d.
They are not rare, but the church does not condone sexless marriages, it actually encourages the spouses to come together and be open to life.
Praeger sucks and genuinely seems evil. 🤷♀️
Please look up Taoist practices (and use descernment).
Mantak Chia, Lee Holden.
I completely understand that watching p0rn is a sin and that, ideally, no couple would engage in it. However, as a wife, I have to agree w/Dennis' premise. Ask any wife if she would rather that her husband looks at photos or has a go with his office mates, and you'll receive a quick response.
keep your scandalous thoughts to yourself tbh
@@channel14news15 "Scandalous"? Or sensible and pragmatic?
@@Charlotte_Martel scandalous when you publicly equivocate a mortal sin
@@channel14news15 That which is a mortal sin today may not be tomorrow. For instance, I suspect that more than a few Catholics are involved in the banking industry. However, prior to the Reformation, Christians lending money at interest was a sin (usury).
Not to mention, once again, this comes down to pragmatism. Would the average wife rather that her husband watch videos or become involved with another woman? Not a difficult question to answer.
@@Charlotte_Martel "That which is a mortal sin today may not be tomorrow."
Wrong. Usury is still forbidden by the Catholic Church, furthermore Church dogmas will never, and can never, change. This is why I said you should keep your scandalous thoughts inside your head. Go show your husband and priest the cringe you've been posting, you need to be catechized better.
Why don t you debate the thoughts. Of people like Richard Dawkins about the God of the old testament ? I was watching his interview on al Jazeera entitled Richard Dawkins vs islam.
Yes. The answer is yes.
Two wrongs don’t make a right. Sin can never be justified.
No. Turn to Christ, porn is never ok.
@@TJS483 I think OP is saying “yes, porn is adultery” because I think the original title of the video was “Is Porn Adultery?” So y’all agree actually
Isn't Prager Jewish?
My 80 year old relative is taking care of his Alzheimer's wife. He's still very vital. He steps out and pays for services once in a while. He's a baptized Catholic. I guess he's a naughty one though.
@@francikeen Well no I wont council him, I'm not Catholic. Just Catholic curious right not. And lordy mama, I'm a sinner too!
I just don't think people are morally harmed by glancing at images of naked ladies occasionally. These images have existed more or less harmlessly for 25,000 years. The addicts in this world --- "perverts" --- are a minority. Just like most beer purchasers are not alcoholics.
I find clothed women with pretty faces sexually attractive, including guests on this program. Need she be covered like a devout Muslim? Need I cease viewing Pints?
J Tee - ignorance is bliss.
You’re way off man. It absolutely harms morality, ask literally any guy who is trying to end their addiction how detrimental it is to their perception of women and sex. There are billions. I think the only 2 circumstances in which your comment would make sense is if for example an artists was looking at a non sexual image of a women to reference how to accurately draw female anatomy, or if a medical professional is looking at again a non sexual image in a purely professional scenario to study, treat an ailment or injury. Any other form of this is pornography and directly harms society as a whole.
Dennis isn’t a Christian and thus, has said lots of unchristian things.