DEBATE: Is Porn Harmful? Matt Fradd Vs Charlotte Rose & Adam Scarborough
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- Опубликовано: 24 янв 2021
- This is an audio debate I participated in on Unbelievable? with Justin Brierley, an award-winning radio show in England. I debated "sex worker" Charlotte Rose & dude who's against censorship (probably not his official title), Adam Scarborough.
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I'm 19 and Matt is absolutely right. Porn has destroyed me when i watched it, i had a hard time feeling happy, i was anxious, awkward, shallow, and saw women as little more than sexual objects. I havent watched porn in over a year and i feel much better now
Glad you managed to kick it so early in your life. I first saw porn when I was 13 and didn't stop until I was 32 (oddly enough only a month before I started converting to Catholicism). It most certainly skewed how I viewed sex and I still fight with that to this day and it's amazing how much I didn't even realize it until being able to look back (much in the same way I didn't realize how much pot addiction affected me until after quitting it). Please pray for God to continue healing me from this.
All the best, young friend; I still personally struggle, and I wish I were able to stop years ago, before I found myself down this rabbit hole. Your courage is admirable, stay strong and God bless!
Good job, brother. I'm 18 and it's good to know there's other men that want to live a sober life.
Keep up the great work brother and thank you for your honesty!
Let's all pray for each other =)
Your online name gave me a chuckle by the way haha
I'm 18 and had a similar experience.
I wish I could say it's been that long but I have stopped watching and will never choose to watch it again.
It's funny how being a religious person makes automatically Matt Fradd someone with a bias opinion ...
But not for the one who's a sex worker ! Of course she is completely unbiased ! Haha
Well, a sex worker can talk from experience.
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@@velvetgristle7252but defending she's position. Research data are least biased.
My conclusion: the world needs Christ even more than I thought.
AMEN
No one NEEDS an executed Hebrew cult leader.
“If you are correct Matt then surly 90% of people will have shrinking brains” . . . Yup
Absolutely
Has he heard of Tumblr and Twitter?
In Britain IQ has fallen by 15 points since the Victorian era so yeah.
haha that one got me too
@@ryantogher8105 Isn't that because Francis Galton mostly measured the IQs of wealthy aristocrats?
-Hey, bro, do you want to watch a woman you feel attracted to having s3x with another man?
-What? No, man, that's for losers!
-What about if you watch them through your computer screen?
-Then I guess that's ok!
Man, didn't know screens made all the difference!
“Most people are self-regulatory” like there’s no such thing as human weakness??? Also it would be easy to quit watching pornography if that were true.
Yea, like I am very frugal (potentially to my own detriment) but even I buy myself cookies and ice cream.
I have no regard for the weak who drag our common denominator down. I will NOT abide by laws that result from some act of the worst people. Lawyered-up-cr@p, it's a society determined by lawsuits.
Charlotte : education is key!
Matt: great. here's an educational, secular, book I've written with all the leading science.
Charlotte : you are archaic!
The other guy: your moralistic!
🤓🙃
I hope they have read your book by this point. I will pray the Holy Spirit illuminates them to the truth.
When this Adam guy equated children seeing pictures of genitalia in textbooks with the online porn industry I cringed into the next century
Sin clearly darkens the intellect.
On point 👌🏼
Probably not at all related to that shrinkage of brain either lol
@@ericzeitler5657 yeah good point
@@PocketDelicious Praise to Jesus Christ
Don't know about that. The devil is EXTREMELY intelligent.
Oh man. This lady is basically saying "Science teaches us nothing, there's always evidence for everything everywhere if you look for it and basically there is no such thing as absolute truth. Rather, each person has to make their opinion about reality and truth." Relativism much ?
And sure, as Matt pointed out - those studies are STATISTICAL, meaning they look at correlation, not causation, and therefore also allow for exceptions (i.e. the correlation is not 100%) - but if the statistic of the occurence of the evil effects, though not 100%, is still very high, will you not then be careful with this stuff ? Else, what do you do with that science ?
If "there's no such thing as absolute truth," then that statement itself can't be absolutely true. The assertion refutes itself. But don't tell the professors. It will confuse them.
What gets me is why be in a debate if you just say "relativism?" You take the carpet out from under you at that point. Why argue a point?
Neither the right nor the left accepts science.
Very concerning when the topic of child porn came up and she had no opinion.
Well, if you wanted evidence that porn users have shrunken brains you found two pretty good candidates 😅. Thank you Matt for being so charitable I'm very impressed
Such a brilliant comment.
When she said alot of performers are seen as 2D I thought but isn't that the point. They're seen as nothing more than an object
This was so charitable. Wow. They make it so emotional like when they say, “would you deny disabled people the right to view porn in isolation?”. Matt, you really kept your cool. Charlotte kept mentioning educating children so much. Sex education for children in school is treated like a given human right. If you want to really trust people and give them a choice- trust parents to give their own children sex education, instead of “the State”.
“Would you deny disabled people the right to view porn in isolation?” My answer to this would be "why would I isolate a disabled person, I'm against that as well as porn. And if a person did have to be isolated for any legitimate reason why should I give them porn which is poison?".
Arielle Watch Patricia Sandoval testimony she talk about how the sex education in school is a trap to engage teens in sexual acts and then make the girls do abortions, her testimony is sad but helpful she had three abortions
Porn is not sexual education but sexual perversion. Porn is sexual education to the same extent that cannibalism is natural nutrition
The wine argument was so bad. She didn't consider that alcohol is a carcinogen and grape juice contains antioxidants. Is it true that wine is both good and bad? Yeah because it has a good constituent part and a bad constituent part. A big part of the argument against pornography is that it reduces sex to a purely physical and agressive act. It'd be like taking wine and distilling it to 200 proof like yeah there's good and bad to sexuality but this is sexuality with all the good taken out of it
Also, wine can be consumed without the negative consequence of getting drunk. On the other hand, Pornography cannot be consumed without damaging the soul.
@@sassychimpanzee7431 I don't think you should bring the "soul" into this. There is less evidence for the soul than there is for the effects of porn in regular old reality.
What sort of porn have you been watching that's so aggressive? Most stuff is vanilla.
@@spacedoohicky replace sole with dignity of the individual if you like. Their referring to the degredation of the human spirit that comes from comodifing and dehumanizing the intimate endeavor of sexual relations. The distilation of sex into nothing more than carnal desire and the degredation of one's moral character as well as mental health are ethical and scientific claims not religious ones. As to agression if you've watched the debate you'd know that studies show that long term use of pornography increases the frequency of viewing and leads them to watch more hardcore pornography.
@@spacedoohicky additionally I can't help but notice you're two comments don't actually address the arguments. You're reply to her was a semantic got you and your reply to me was blatent ad hominim. If you think we're wrong I'm more than happy to engage in good faith argument but try to address the actual arguments being made rather than trying to get got you's to obfuscate responding to coherent arguments.
Matt is an expert on this subject. The other two haven't looked at any of the literature. This was embarrassing for them. They made emotionally charged arguments and Matt made well thought-out arguments laced with tons of charity and love. Well done!
There is not that much scientific studies about it. There is some, but it isn't objective. There's not a lot of support for cause attribution. Like do a lot of people that are bad off start viewing more porn, or did porn make them bad off? I don't remember the studies so don't ask which. What I've said here is all I remember.
@@spacedoohicky People start watching porn at 9-12 now, children don't have agency. So your question can't even be answered because the addiction is started as a young child (which is the goal of the pornographer).
Any addict will increase their drug or vice of choice during hard times if they do not turn to God. But again this addiction is started as a child, that is what makes it so evil.
@@newmei9 Parents. Parents shouldn't be letting their kids online, or should keep the family computer in the living room if they do allow their kid online. This is where the analogy with alcohol works. Parents take measures to keep their kids from drinking alcohol. They should do the same for porn. And yes kids can obtain alcohol even though they can't purchase it legally.
Although porn addiction has basically been debunked. So there's that too. Search for "is porn addiction real" on google to see what I mean. And look up the DSM. The latest DSM does not list porn addiction as an affliction.
@@spacedoohicky obviously kids can get alcohol, but it's a lot harder to get alcohol than it is to get porn which is a few clicks away on your computer. This is common sense why are you defending this disgusting poison?
A whole generation got addicted to porn that means this isn't a one off issue but a societal problem, it's bigger than "keep one computer in the living room".
The making and distribution (free streaming or sale) of porn should be made illegal.
Imagine not thinking porn is addicting when people start watching it at 10-12 and you get a dopamine rush from it just because a book that "experts" made didn't include porn as something addictive when it clearly is.
@@newmei9 I was talking about kids, and it's just as easy for parents to keep their kids from finding porn as it is to keep them from obtaining alcohol. Parents that can't do that are just bad parents.
And no. Porn is not a disgusting poison. You just think it is because you've been trained to. That's not to say someone can't have a problem with porn, just like a person can have a problem with alcohol. But saying "disgusting poison", and "whole generation" is exaggerating. You're going off the deep end.
Playing, and watching sports gives a dopamine rush. Actual sex gives a dopamine rush. Getting praised at work gives a dopamine rush. What's the point of pointing out a dopamine rush?
Knocked it out of the park, Matt. Thank you for being a champion for God’s heart on this issue.
Matt: “I don’t know if I did a good job I’m not great at debates” “I think I just did ok”
Matt * proceeds to absolutely crush this conversation calmly and intelligently.
My thought too. There was only one person prepared for an intelligent conversation about this, and it was Matt
Matt probably had a problem himself. Gained the edge lol
"But Matt! They outnumber you 2 to 1!"
"Then it is an even fight."
“All ships, fire at will! Burn their mongrel hides.”
No, God was with Matt!
Romans 8:31: “What, then, shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us?”
Shipmaster Matt Fradd!
Would that make Father Mike Schmitz the Arbiter?
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"good ethical pornographers"....ummmm yeah, probably not a group who has earned any trust, easily verifiable
it sounds a bit like "good ethical mobsters", ngl...
Kinghood of Mousekind Are you fr? Because sex between consenting adults, distributed to other consenting adults, is the same in your mind as being mobsters?! 🤔😂
@@DannyD-lr5yg comparing porn and regular sexual activities is like comparing junk food and a good steak. Porn has often a degrading aspect to it, and turns one's sexual drive into a desire for mere genital friction, turns us and who we are viewing into a slab of meat and not much more. I can be a consensual partner in cannibalism, if I wish, this doesn't make it any more "respectful", "moral" or "lecit" in any way, form or shape just because I offer an arm to a cannibal to eat it.
You're right, tho: mobsters probably have a better sense of decency than most pornographers...
That’s like a kind Nazi or a friendly storm trooper. It’s just a contradiction in itself
Kinghood of Mousekind Lol idk what kinda porn you’ve seen, OR what kind of sex you’ve had... 😂
When you move away from the major (and often problematic) studio porn - aka frontpage stuff - there’s actually quite a lot of consensual, nondegrading porn. And if porn OR sex is “just a desire for genital friction” or viewing a “slab of meat,” then that person clearly has an addiction. And, finally, if you don’t realize how much consensual, loving, nourishing, partnered sex - without any porn influence - has “a degrading aspect to it,” then you haven’t delved very deep into the human psyche. “Degrading” sex, done well, has a profoundly transformative and healing effect. You’re allowed to disagree, just like you’re allowed to be naive, incorrect, and trapped in a bubble.
I am currently 20, had porn since I was 14. Nearly every time I felt guilty doing it and realized it needed to end. Several times I tried to abstain from it over lent, but failed every time. Last year I went to 2 confessions and I’ve never looked at porn again.
Good job Matt. I can't help but notice the people who are for porn make relativistic arguments. These are unconvincing. Good debate.
31:30
*Matt gives a beautiful talk about love and dignity during sex*
Charolette - "Thats absolutely awful!" 😂😂😂 wth is this?
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This is when I stopped listening. Also, the moderator pitted two against one but gave each PERSON equal time. So that means that one side of the argument reciever half the time as the other.
I don’t get what they can argue apart from “dopamine feels good lol” looking forward to this
In the description, it says that the dude is against censorship, so he'll probably argue from that angle, but still a pretty bad argument.
The argument they have to make is not porn is good. It’s that porn isn’t harmful. Still tough argument though
@@josephmiller3672 to be against censorship is ridiculous, as everyone draws the line somewhere, the question is what do we censor? Same with “free speech “
@@josephmiller3672 But she will argue you should be completely censored if you say anything against protected groups.
@@apoc9ify Lol probably
What I found amazing is how Matt knew his position and the positions of his opponents, and the other side didn't know anything, resorted to pearl clutching and false claims of attack, and constantly moved the goal posts of their position. Also, lol at the pro porn guys attacking the concept of following science.
Thank you Matt for always having the fire to flip the seller’s tables at the temple. For being educated, for talking eloquently, and for helping us Christians stay strong in our faith.
QUESTIONS FOR THE DEBATE: Firstly, it really confuses me that in a society where a seemingly man-hating wave of feminism prevails, we would support an industry that encourages people to objectify females. Isn't that the very thing we are working against? To not be seen as mere sources of pleasure? To be seen as more than our bodies? To KNOW that we are not just what our bodies have to offer? This paradox baffles me deeply. Another conflict that I see is that we are creatures of habit, a statement that seems to be largely agreed upon. Yet here, we argue that we can receive sexual input from others, in the form of watching porn, without giving a whop about their needs, desires, and wants and think that this does not impact the rest of our world? We are literally training our minds to look at others as a means to an end... and this is ok? Yet when this happens to us, at work, for instance, we are infuriated. Thirdly, we are both body and mind, and no matter how hard we try to ignore this, what we do mentally impacts us physically and vice versa. The act of intercourse releases bonding hormones in us and we behave in a way that ignores this. This makes no sense to me! What I can agree with is to stop shaming people. Brene Brown's research gives us tons of reasons why shame is a no-go. Shame keeps people trapped in the darkest of places, and so that is not something I support. However, the antidote to shame isn't being shameless in the sense that 'what I do doesn't have any consequences and so I do whatever I want'. That mindset is one of ignorance at its best and deep denial at its worst. Fourth, there is a trend for eco-friendly shopping, meaning that we want to purchase from retailers where products are ethically-sourced and everyone involved is treated fairly. This also means that we don't associate ourselves with companies that are harming the environment, animals, and people. And yet, despite the fact that child pornography, sex trafficking, and female-abuse are all part of the industry we are still supporting it? Guys! We are not making sense! * Also, MATT, I so deeply appreciate your approach to discussing issues, specifically when it's in conversation or through a non-religious lens. Some comments of yours, in the past, have really thrown me off for very specific reasons, as they seemed to minimize really painful actions, but I really respect your curiosity, as this is exactly how I learn and commit to ideas as well - discussion, seeing all sides, pondering, questioning, and look at the secular approach.
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lol... this already happened.
Search on "The Russian Effort to Abolish Marriage" in the July 1926 issue of the Atlantic online to see how far back this Marxist subversion of sexuality goes.
Most insane modern ideologies are offshoots of Marxism. Marxists seek to tear down societies by undermining morality, families and institutions, so that these societies can be rebuilt as Marxist utopias. Yes, it's insane, but it's what they believe. If you can convince people that a man who calls himself a woman should be called a woman, then you can convince people of anything. By overturning the most obvious truths, people come to believe that there is no truth. And then they can be conditioned to follow the prevailing ideology like Pavlov's dogs, or just manipulated by emotion.
@@thomasaquinas157 You people are so transparent in your careful substitution of "marxist" in place of "Jew". We KNOW who you actually think is behind everything, while you at the same time never cease blowing Israel, the state LOL
"Most ppl are self regulatory"?? Teens know when to stop with anything that gives them pleasure????
Holy smokes the level of logical fallacies on the other side of the debate is off the charts.....great job in that debate Matt.
Seemed like there wasn’t agreement about what was the question at hand. Also, “porn” was never defined.
In answer: sure but if your argument is some people get addicted, should we ban everything that is addictive?
People drink alcohol I was addicted to alcohol, should alcohol be banned? Tv is addictive, Reading can be addictive, sleeping, work, literal 90% of everything we do is addictive so the addiction argument doesn’t work. If you then say there’s no benefit to porn, there’s no benefit to alcohol either.
If your argument is a kid could see it 1. That’s your problem as the parents 2. Do you really want the government telling you what is best for your kids.
You held your own wonderfully with great rational and evidence backed points to show the harmful effects of pornography. Thanks for engaging in this debate.
"Good, ethical pornographers" uttered the 'expert' woman at 27:40, that deserves another quote "Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools" Romans 1:22
Women moment
The spinning cube is so trippy lol
You should debrief this with someone like Trent Horn so he can critique their arguments and even your arguments.
Matt, I want to thank you for helping Children of the Immaculate Heart! I'm pretty connected with many groups here in San Diego, including volunteering to help CIH from time to time, and I know the struggles they've gone through to get up and running. You are awesome for helping them and getting them some recognition!
Short answer: yes
Long answer: obviously
Thank you, Matt, for having these kinds of discussions and debates about the detrimental and harmful effects of pornography to not only the consumers but everyone involved in the industry including the thousands of sex trafficked victims forced into porn.
It’s a serious issue and one that deserves attention.
I've listened to about 25 minutes of it so far, and I think you're doing a fabulous job!
From trafficking to exploitation to addiction to grave occasions of sin...pr0n is awful and debased, perverse and malignant. A scourge on modernity, quite honestly, but perhaps a fitting symbol for our times.
Isnt it surprising that matt was commended for not making this book religious as if it would've been bad if it were religious?
The two people Matt argued with border on science-denial throughout the debate.
When I die I am going to regret everytime I watched porn. It is deliberately made super-accessible and FREE!!! Some must get rid of their smartphones to be free of the occasiin of sin. Pursuing lustful thoughts only robs us of our inner joy and peace and then the accuser comes to torture our conscience. NEVER cease praying the Holy Rosary. To do so is like laying down your weapon during the onslaught. Remember we are at war for our eternal souls.
Faith helps a lot
@QqminusS you make little to no sense
Good ethical pornographers.... This lady has no clue about that world
The argument against the libertarian is to argue about negative externalities. Porn is addictive and has negative effects on people. The negative effects on the masses of people have negative effects on others. I may not use porn, but I'm hurt by a society that does use porn. This affects my civil liberties and the libertarians find themselves with a problem. It is answerable, but it's difficult for the libertarians to answer it without sounding crazy.
It doesn’t take a fancy study to understand that porn will warp how you think about sex, how you think about women, and will affect your sex life if you are in a relationship. It’s bad news...
No need to debate this one. Of course porn is harmful. Go Matt!
In preparation for your debate please read ‘Libido Dominandi : Sexual Liberation as Political Control’. It comes highly recommended by Fr. Ripperger
That book is definitely in my "must read" wishlist.
@@cynthelestia same! Doctor Jones's talks on it (and many more on many topics) made me wish I could get my hands on it and some more Dr. Jone's works.
This is why you come prepared for any debate, even an informal one. Matt ran circles around Rose and Scarborough because he came armed with data and logic. They must be embarrassed for themselves.
I mean, you don't even need to agree with Matt to see that he knew what he was talking about and they didn't. He even researched opposing viewpoints to have ready responses, like when he brings up the Nicole Prowse (sp?) study.
Matt's going up against two people! Wow, I'm still convinced he's got this
Oh, he does.
Just don't forget to pray hard for him!
Please pray for me for I struggled with an addiction to porn! Please pray for my salvation!
Assertions without evidence:
1. There are just as many studies that refute your claim as there are studies to support it.
2. People can’t resist sexual urges.
3. Sexual pleasure is just like any other biological need and nothing more.
Non sequitur: Children need an educational institution to teach them how to sexually please themselves.
I don't get the argument for porn being good for us in anyway.
You should host a debate on the existence of God between Trent horn and Matt dillahunty.
Just emailed him about this. We'll see.
Wow thank you
I think Charlotte, in bringing up studies that contradict some of the studies Matt has brought up is failing to recognize that just because some people may not be all that adversely affected by porn, doesn't mean it isn't something that is at least potentially harmful. The better question would be about the general ratio between the two. Most people feel energized and awake after drinking a caffeinated beverage...but some few, such as myself, do not. That doesn't mean definite caffeine isn't a stimulant, it means there's something peculiar about some of us such that it affects is differently. If there are millions of people being negatively affected by porn, it doesn't matter that some studies show that some people aren't, because those millions are still negatively affected.
Thought you did a great job Matt! You were very humble, listened well, and presented much more compelling information with real research.
Matt stood for Logos, the other two stood for relativism and voluntarism. Matt wins, no competition
Praise God for the work that Matt is doing. Porn is poison in our society.
A wonderful discussion. Really enjoyed listening.
Regarding the wine studies that Charlotte mentions, she didn't go into any details about the studies to give us any idea of the merits. Also, as far as I know regarding wine and cancer, it has to do with wines ability to reduce free radicals. And I think, if I recall correctly, there is a point at which anti-oxidants become harmful rather than helpful, or certain conditions for that to change, which would correlate to wine being beneficial in one instance, and harmful in another. Also, it's the antioxidants, not the alcohol that's helpful, so grape juice is just as beneficial or harmful on that note, but without the added harm alcohol can bring.
It’s also clear that woman isn’t listening to him
I am very excited about this debate since I struggle with porn addictions plz God have mercy on me
I'll pray for you brother, I struggled many years to quit this poison.
Through Christ all is possible, I was deep into porn addiction and if I quit anyone can.
@@newmei9 I will pray for you too 🙏🏼♥️✝️😀
I had a life-long struggle with lust. I figured that it was just a male thing and there was nothing I could do about it. But I found healing through confession. Confession confers grace. Few Catholics are aware of that. I typically go to confession twice a year, but I got a job near a church and was able to easily go to confession frequently. After the third time going to confession in 9 weeks, confessing lust, I was free of lust. I couldn't believe it. And I've been free for two years now.
@@thomasaquinas157 Confession changed my life too, I hadn't gone to confession since my confirmation (I'm not kidding). When I came back to the Church in my late 20's I now really wanted to follow God, I even made a list of all my sins for confession. When I was naming each sin to the priest I began to realize how much I had failed, I felt such shame I cried for the first time in over 10 years.
The priest was very kind and assured me that my sins will be forgiven.
After this confession I had never been so happy or felt so clean. That confession changed my life, I think it was Fr. Mike Schmitz who said "the confessional is a place of victory" and that is exactly how I felt, free and victorious.
As a man from Yorkshire (Northern England), I can tell you that It is pronounced "Scar-bruh", rather than "Scar_borrow" or anything like that. Also, most things called "borough" is "bruh".
Happisburgh is also spoken as "hays-bruh". Just thought Id say because these English names can be quite confusing.
I was introduced to porn in a Christian school at age 10. I was hooked a few years later and managed to let go thanks to PWA. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. God bless you.
I love how Charlotte went off about norms. Norms day nothing about what's good or bad for us. There can be a lot of very normal behavior that humans participate in that is detrimental to their health. Take smoking for example. It had been very normal for millions of people to smoke, but it's still bad for them. I also think she got a bit carried away with the abuse tirade. For one, many people hide any abuse they've suffered from the people they know. There are people who don't realize they have been abused. There are types of abuse that we don't topically recognize as abuse in our lives. So, it's hard to say Matt was definitely wrong. Maybe he is, maybe he's not, but first you have to consider how much we actually know about abuse and the situation to judge. Truthfully, there's a lot of assumptions that people in the porn industry may bee making about why they are in the industry and how much they really like it.
I quit 2 years ago when I came home to the Catholic Church. It's one of the best decisions I ever made for myself and my marriage.
I'm astounded at how you not only could keep your composure but also be so loving in your replies to many of their nonsensical, selfish and hedonistic drivel. I may be harsh in my words, but that is just how it is. They want to live a certain way and cannot accept 1. That God is real and what they're promoting is morally wrong and reprehensible and 2. That the way of life they're promoting or arguing for is detrimental to individuals, societies and civilizations, in the end, since porn destroys the nuclear family, which is the bedrock that society is founded upon.
This lady seriously complained that schools aren't teaching kids about sex toys. I'm legitimately shocked she would publicly say something like that.
Charlotte kept talking about fantasy and reality of sex. Ethical pornography?! Obviously she hasn’t been on the internet in recent decades…otherwise I question how she envisions reality.
I’m so glad you are a light in this dark world we live in Matt Fradd.
The only thing I would have done differently was clarify a bit more that you weren’t interested in banning porn or censoring it, but rather just raising awareness about the harm it can cause one’s sexuality, in the hopes that people can make educated decisions about what they feed their brains.
Most porn is based on fantasies & is deliberately not realistic, so I dunno if the whole “educational” justification is even relevant.
Totally agree. "Education" is such a cop out in this convo, Matt is bringing neurology research to the table and is 'educating' people about how it could hurt them. The onus is on the opponent to argue how the benefits outweigh these detriments, or that the detriments are unsatisfactory.
Matt was killing it
Matt, your research was fantastic and I completely agree with the research that has been done in porn being an addiction. I know people who go through legitimate withdrawals, like someone trying to quit smoking, drinking, or coffee when they go short times without porn. I also agree with what Adam said on the grounds that screen time is addictive, look at everything floating around on FB, X, Instagram, even here on RUclips. Porn goes beyond the screen though and if folks can't access a screen they can go get a magazine or to the strip club then they still get their porn fix.
Because it is so readily available I have seen porn destroy people's relationships between family and friends because they get so dependent on it. This dependency is often never intended. It starts off in the "I can stop when/if I want to" frame of mind and often goes too far unintentionally. The unintentional nature is often seen in a hindsight situation, as in "how did I get in this deep."
This is based off of what I have seen and I realize that people handle addictive habits differently.
Overall this was a good debate. I enjoyed how all sides were willing to hear the other (which is rare in "debates" anymore) and it was moderated very well.
Bought 2 copies Matt. Great job on the porn addiction conversation. God bless you and your loved ones 🙏
You were fantastically articulate and versatile in your dialogue (trialogue?) Matt! Well done
Unfortunately Charlotte does not know what it means to debate and present an argument. She just whinges incoherently.
Sounds like the others are completely ignoring your point and putting out their talking points. They don't acknowledge or even confront your points.
Why this IS even a debate?
It seems like the other two arent really arguing against what youre saying. The lady doesnt really seem to have a point at all while the guy is arguing against censorship, not porn
I also don't recommend selling nor buying off books from Amazon due to their unethical nature, which contributes to the porn industry, porn culture (by selling pornographic literature including ones that normalises or promotes incest and pedophilia), as well poor treatment towards workers within the company. I bought a hardcopy of Matt Fradd's "The Porn Myth" book online straight from Ignatius Press (which you can search up). The book is written from a secular (non-religious) perspective, which caters well to an atheist audience but even religious people would appreciate the scientific backings for the anti-porn stance.
Wow Matt said he wasn't a good debator, but he is doing an excellent job.
Dude is citing Kinsey and the Naked Ape? Decades old, decades discredited, especially the deviant Kinsey.
I genuinely love you Matt Frad, like a brother in Christ. You are doing very good work. You've been amazing in this show, and please, continue to do this. I'm sad that the other side is so much more louder in this world but without any real arguments other than:" I think..."
Adam absolutely lost this argument when he said "people should be self regulatory". That principle would void literally half of not most of the laws on the books!
Its interesting that in response to the science Matt provided the gentleman stated that he tried to briefly go through the studies and then attempted to refute the argument. He barely looked at it! How do you debate that way?
You did a great job, Matt! Please, pray I to talk with people and have more fruitful conversations like you and so many other influential children of God on the front lines! Thanks so much for all you do! Thanks be to God! Holy Queen of the Rosary, pray for us!
It's extremely sad for me that such logical, obvious things have to be debated... :( Ehh...
(but I'm very glad you fight for the truth, Matt!)
Matt I'm a new subscriber, definitely appreciate your work. I'd love a debate like this with someone who actually knows how to debate. They used several logical fallacies which you quickly pointed out. I think this was too easy of a win. I want a real challenge!
I really despise how many UK debaters always fall back to the appeal to emotion fallacy
Excellent Matt 👏👏👏
Matt’s arguments are a lot more solid then the other participants… I think this is another case of everyone knowing what the right answer is but still some will argue ‘the wrong pov is still MY valid pov’
I'm watching this a bit late...but feel the people chosen for the 'debate' were a little closed-minded in their thinking. Scarborough's only interest was to stop censorship, and Rose's position was to justify her occupation. Both agreed that education was important--yet it seemed that they felt that porn was appropriate education for children. Both stated that there were many studies to prove your studies wrong...yet were unable to come up with exact references. In fact, given time to google, Rose didn't come up with a study to back her position...and used opposing studies concerning the connection of drinking wine and cancer, instead. If there are all these supposedly opposing studies...why couldn't she find one? Of course, I think Scarborough picked up on this, and responded that there aren't studies because they are not necessary (porn isn't a problem for the majority of people).
I have to say, you were the one with the logical/reasonable argument here...without any real opposition.
How do you simultaneously say that people can’t resist sexual urges and that people are self regulating?
Their arguments are horrible, Good job Matt!
I think that the Matt's opponents are gong to have a hard time grasping from where Matt is coming from as it's so against our culture, and we largely don't see the problems that promiscuous sex leads to. And I'm not sure how anyone would get them to because of what it would mean if they did.
Wow. Nice work, Mr. Fradd. I think you underestimate your ability to engage in (an almost maddeningly) civil debate. Ms. Rose was clearly in over her head.
I would love to listen to you talk about what to do if your child sees porn and where there is hope. I’ve had a few friends recently who have found their small children with it on smart phones that they stole from a grandparent or a friend. Families that don’t even let their kids have tablets. Porn is completely unregulated and their friends could introduce them to it at school. I know you said you don’t let your children over people’s house who don’t have covenant eyes on devices but it seems like even our kids acquaintances have smart phones on the bus or wherever.
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
00:42 🎙️ Matt Fradd participated in a radio debate on pornography, sharing insights from his book "The Porn Myth."
01:51 🌐 Before discussing government regulation, the debate first needs to establish whether pornography is harmful to individuals, relationships, and society.
03:12 📚 Matt Fradd promotes his book as a non-religious response to pro-porn arguments, with all royalties supporting sexually trafficked victims.
05:12 🔄 Matt Fradd discusses his personal journey with pornography, emphasizing its negative impact on creativity and relationships.
07:32 📊 Matt Fradd acknowledges that religious people use pornography but emphasizes the need for education on itspotential harm.
09:13 🚫 The Campaign Against Censorship argues for the right of consenting adults to access and view content without state interference.
14:21 🔄 Charlotte Rose highlights the importance of education on sexual expression beyond procreation to offer choices beyond pornography.
17:38 📊 Matt Fradd presents neuroscience-based studies supporting the addiction model, linking pornography use to negative effects such as erectile dysfunction and warped sexual tastes.
20:13 🧠 Neuroscientifically, compulsive pornography consumption can lead to dopamine downgrading, affecting the brain's reward center and potentially causing desensitization.
21:25 🧠 Matt argues that the science indicates pornography has an addictive effect, making it harder for people to have normal sexual relations.
22:08 🚫 Matt does not advocate for a blanket ban on pornography but emphasizes the importance of educating people about potential detrimental effects before engaging in such behavior.
24:15 💑 Matt contends that studies show even moderate use of vanilla porn can lead to negative perceptions of partners' affection, physical appearance, and sexual performance.
25:11 🌐 Charlotte highlights the need for society to understand the distinction between the reality and fantasy aspects of sex, with fantasy being readily accessible online.
27:01 🎓 Charlotte suggests providing more information to young people about the reality and fantasy of sex, allowing them to make informed decisions rather than advocating for censorship.
29:21 🤔 Matt discusses the potential immorality of pornography and argues that people have a right to know about its effects, especially if it may be detrimental to relationships.
32:24 🚨 Charlotte disagrees with Matt's generalization that porn performers have all been abused and emphasizes the diverse reasons individuals choose to work in the industry.
34:17 📊 Matt references studies claiming a high percentage of porn stars have herpes, adding a health perspective to the discussion.
36:09 👥 Matt argues that even if not all performers have experienced abuse, treating a woman who may have forgotten her dignity with dignity is a positive approach.
39:37 🔄 Adam suggests that sex is a natural need, and for many, pornography serves as an outlet for sexual desires and urges.
41:18 📚 Charlotte questions the scale and gender representation of studies, emphasizing the need for more education to provide alternatives to the predominant hardcore genre.
42:20 🧠 Porn addiction and its impact on sexual dysfunction: The speaker, a sexual trainer, argues that in her experience of working with over 1200 people dealing with erectile dysfunction and premature ejaculation, only a small percentage were affected by porn addiction. She suggests that psychological factors, not just pornography, contribute to sexual issues.
43:43 🔄 Escalation of sexual desires: Matt Fradd claims that a study from nofap showed that nearly 60% of surveyed individuals reported an increase in deviant sexual desires due to exposure to porn. He argues that over time, individuals may seek more extreme and taboo content to maintain arousal.
44:26 🍔 Porn as sexual junk food: Matt Fradd likens pornography tosexual junk food, suggesting that people may find it challenging to imagine a healthy sexual life without it. He encourages a perspective shift, highlighting the benefits of quitting porn and leading a more fulfilling life.
45:08 🔄 Slippery slope argument: Matt Fradd argues that exposure to pornography can lead to a slippery slope where individuals may escalate to more shocking content over time. He contends that shock and anxiety boost dopamine levels, potentially driving individuals to seek increasingly extreme material.
46:47 📚 Openness to evidence: Charlotte Rose expresses openness to evidence and education, emphasizing the importance of providing information for individuals to make their own decisions about pornography. She acknowledges the existence of studies supporting both perspectives and advocates for informed choices.
49:37 📊 Reference to studies: Matt Fradd defends his position by referencing numerous studies, including 33 neuroscience-based studies, a 2014 Cambridge study, and a 2015 peer-reviewed research study. He argues that the preponderance of evidence supports the idea that pornography can lead to addiction and negative consequences.
54:24 🔄 Science and changing perspectives: Charlotte Rose highlights the ever-changing nature of scientific studies, drawing an analogy with conflicting studies on the health effects of wine. She emphasizes the need for education presenting both sides, allowing individuals to make their own informed choices.
56:17 💰 Royalties for a cause: Matt Fradd reveals that 100% of the royalties from his book go to supporting sexually trafficked women in San Diego. He encourages people to read the book and decide for themselves based on the evidence presented.
58:52 🔄 Historical perspective on pornography: Adam Scarborough brings up the historical prevalence of pornography, mentioning its existence in Roman villas. He suggests that the issues associated with pornography are not new and questions the validity of fighting against its widespread use.
59:47 🚬 Analogy with smoking: Matt Fradd counters the argument about the historical prevalence of pornography by comparing it to smoking. He asserts that historical practices may not necessarily be moral or beneficial and stresses the importance of following scientific evidence.
01:00:42 🌐 Campaign Against Censorship: Adam Scarborough promotes the Campaign Against Censorship and encourages people to explore the organization's materials for a deeper understanding of the subject.
Yes porn can be addictive but so can almost anything that hits your dopamine levels, should we ban everything that gives a dopamine high?
Isn't it obvious. Its like debating whether the universe is large
Interesting, but I think most of us want to live in a free society within ethical and moral guidelines. The problem, however, is that we are poorly evolved, shortsighted apes....especially through our formative years that often make bad decisions for ourselves because our spontaneity blinds us of possible long-term consequences.
I'm an atheist, but I see little wrong with Matt highlighting potential pitfalls of watching and especially participating in porn. However, since I am an atheist, when he starts citing sin and immorality, he's likely going to lose me, since the bases of these terms are something that I highly doubt exists.
1vs 2, I am sure Matt won 💪🙏
Thought you did great bro
Very well done, Matt. You were very knowledgeable and charitable.