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The links to the 12100F review are erroneously linking to the 5600X review, so there is no way to verify what memory the 12100 is using. If it is using some good DDR5 memory then all the points in the video are irrelevant, since the price difference does not matter because DDR5 eats it anyway. Also the review is using quite outdated games, and the only new core heavy games like Cyberpunk and RDR2 are a (small) win for AMD, which could matter in the future for new games. It seems that the 12100F is winning on frequency and cache and loosing to compute/thread power. It would make more sense to have a comparison that uses the same memory on a more newer set of games. I bet few people are buying this CPU to run CSGO on 300FPS and most are interested in new titles that will load more than one or two threads, and would like to use the CPU for a few years to come on new titles that will release. But slapping AMD on pricing: I agree with that. Just be objective in the review, and slap them anyway.
Idk if it would be cost effective for GN, but I would love a short video on how psu wires from one psu may not work on another psu? Maybe for people like me that just threw the extras in a drawer over the years and now idk which go to which, might be others out there
Thanks GN, did not take me long to skip trough the video and have a plain and simple answer about how good this product is versus what else you can get with the same money or so. I mean i like your videos and the way you make them, but not interested in wasting my time when the product is so uninteresting :), thanks again.
Bought the 3600 for the same price over two years ago. This ist truely dissapointing for AMD. Sad to see how quickly they changed their price policy once the where truely competetive on high end.
The worst part about PCI-E Gen 3 with budget CPUs is that they typically get paired with budget GPUs like 6500XT that only has 4 PCI-E lanes that significantly hampers performance.
@Alien Wanderer But didnt amd thinked of the 6500xt when they made this cpu ?? They litteraly made that card plus its one the only card that is near mrsp that just stupid
@@Sonyoucef im betting tHis cpu “release” is just an afterthought to get rid of a limited amount of 5500u chips with defective gpus. The value of these chips is going to go way down when the zen4 stuff hits so might as well get rid of them. If AMD had alot of these or if market conditions were different they would be $99 like the 1600Af
The saddest part of this for me is I think the 3600 was often selling for around the same price as the 5500 is about 2-3 years ago? They can't even compete with themselves.
Where I am from 5500 is 3-4 dollars expensive than the 12400f while being 4-5 dollars cheaper than 3600. Now why would anyone take 5500 over 12400f or even 3600? XD
The 3600 was 200 USD When it came out a little less than 3 years ago. I have actually never seen it for less than that new, because AMD never really released anything at the same price to replace it until now, and for some reason the only new 3600's seem to still be around 200 USD or even more (I guess demand has been high for them), but you can get them used now for around 130-150 USD, which would make them an ideal choice for that price range (for an AM4 system upgrade), especially if your board isn't compatible with Zen 3 CPUs. I had assumed that the 5500 would perform the same as a 5600G, but from what I can tell, it seems to actually be running a bit worse, at least from what I remember of 5600G CPU benchmarks.
Now its under $100 I flashed my bios on my B450M Pro4 R2.0 up graded my ram to 32gb of 3200 installed 5500 and it runs great I'm not a big gamer I do photography an Photoshop and I have a GTX 1650 4gb card and WD Black NVME 3.0 nothing high end and couldn't be happier
AMD thought they were only competing with themselves, they somehow still managed to lose. I'm honestly amazed at how quickly they've forgotten the market segment that kept them going for so long.
Every time AMD/ATI gets the slightest lead, they get ahead of themselves and quickly stab the enthusiasts who got them there in the back. ATI 9500 Pro a great price/performance card and better than Geforce 3? 9600 XT a terrible card that was slower at the same price. AMD Athlon 64 X2s outclassing Intel Pentium Ds? AMD starts raising their dual core chip prices, with prices jumping $100+ on some chips (as well leaving S939 users high and dry). Radeon 4870 and 4850 dominating vs Fermi? $100-150 price hike on 5870 and 5850 the next year. I'm only surprised it took them so long to screw the pooch this time (Ryzen R5 5500, Radon 6500XT, 6600XT, 6700XT).
@@Vasharan That's why I'm sticking with Intel. See the thing with Intel, if they get a lead and get arrogant, they just keep re-releasing the same CPU until it's not viable anymore. So during that time you can just...not upgrade. That's why I still have a 6700k (probably upgrading soon though).
@@StormsparkPegasus why are we being fanbois to a specifc company? Get what ever is fastest and has the feature you want smh - I picked Ryzen because it made sense when I purchased it, if in the future intel makes sense for the price, I'll be goin with that. . Smh people limiting their choices because of some brand loyalty only to hamper yourself is beyond me
@@Lostcontroller it will most likely perform the same as a 3100, which means it wont be adding anything new to the market as you can already get a 10100f for $80 *actually it will most like perform worse than both those cpus due to it only having 6mb of cache
@@jaronmarles941 I can't exactly be surprised. Not only was Renoir late to the DIY space, but the 4100 and 4500 are the only Renoir processors to have their integrated graphics disabled.
AMD has had a slew of ho hum recent releases that don't match the value of their products to market competition. The 6400 and 5500 releases are just embarrassing. If they can't compete on performance at least reduce the price. They do neither. It's like they are begging Intel and Nvidia to steal market share. Great review as always GN.
@@mddunlap03 the 5800x3d that can't even overclock because it will explode [note: not literally]? yeah I'll pass on that experimental tech. btw the 12900k is like 25% faster than the 5800x (non-3d), and the 12700(k) trounces the 5800x, so yeah let's not pretend that the $800 halo product is anything other than a halo product
If you're selling all your chips, why lower the price? It's called business. There's less profit in the low end. As for competing on performance. Are you talking about low, mid high end? They compete at every level performance wise. Not price wise. Intel made all these low priced parts in a desperate attempt to grab back market share. But, at the expense of profit margin.
Just got an i3-12100F for $116 and a Gigabyte B660M DS3H for $110 last week. Massive deal. Far into the future I'll still be able to upgrade to an i7 Alder Lake or Raptor Lake CPU for cheaper. I live in Portugal btw
@Friend of P. Now you know why they didn't release the 5600 before. I feel bad for the people that paid scalped prices for the 5600x they were sold for 350 USD and more, because "It WaS the bEst cPu for gaming". Paying those prices for a 6 core CPU was just stupid. Is like AMD Fans forgot how much they paid for 2600 and 3600.
@@neoperol Pretty bad compared to the 1600AF for $90, or my 2700x, i bought for $150 on Black Friday, while selling Borderlands 3 plus the wraith prism cooler together pushed the price below $100.
@@Psi-Storm The Hype fucked up everything. I wanted to build a SFF when the 5600x was been release and I lived outside of the US so prices were to the roof 400 - 450 USD for the 5600x and for some reason the 3600 was been sold for 250 USD, I end up selling the mobo because I found someone selling an intel 10700k because the guy wanted an AMD build with the 5600x, snagged that 10700k for 250 USD.
Even average and flawed CPU's have their uses. In my country the Ryzen 5 5500 costs 100-120 USD while the Ryzen 5 5600 costs 170-180 USD. All while intel is just outright not available. What you buy really depends on where you are and whether all you're really looking for is a great 1080p ultra gaming experience. LowSpecGamer, RandomGaminginHD and other budget and foreign gaming RUclipsrs, understand this.
They're selling more cpus than ever, and making more money than ever, in part because they have prioritized serving high-end customers in server and workstation categories, where they still have a big competitive advantage over Intel.Their 5950X is also still very competitive against Intel in its niche, as are most of the Zen 3 cpus (to varying degrees) in their respective niches. Their supply might not be that high for the 5500 (or the 4500), which might explain why they're not pricing their cpus particularly competitively, and they can also get away with charging a premium to people who are already on the AM4 platform, but even still, the AM4 platform has turned out to be a much better platform than Intel equivalents released around the same time. The small premium of the 5500 over the 12100F in terms of value per dollar is offset by the fact that a lot more people already have motherboards which the 5500 can run on, but you should also consider that some AM4 motherboards can be found for insanely low prices today, which can make even the mediocre 5500 seem like a great value. The 5500 is still a good value compared to most higher end cpus, especially in the 8+ core territory. Then again, even if someone is buying an older B450 board because they can find one for super cheap, and even though it (probably) won't be able to support PCI-e gen 4 or resizable BAR, a 5600 would probably still be a much better choice than a 5500. Might as well just pay the extra 40 now for a significantly better cpu, as anything more expensive than a 5600 is unlikely to ever be practical as an upgrade for an AM4 based gaming system.
@@syncmonism This is Gaming focused channel. It has nothing to do with what goes on in a server room. What has happened is that AMD has squandered the huge lead in value and performance and positive mind share that they had from about 2017 to early 2021.
@@christopherwood2290 No lol, Ryzen 5800X3D has again reclaimed the gaming performance crown and RX 6950 XT is faster than the RTX 3090 and even matches the 3090 Ti sometimes for much lower price.
@@syncmonism before Ryzen Intel was selling way more than AMD, did this mean Intel was doing everything tight too? No, they re released the same CPU with marginal performance gains, because there wasnt enough competition. Same with AMD now, the 5500 and the budget GPUs are just really not worth ut, while the high budget GPUs are not good either, because for high level productivity Nvidia is a lot better. The thing AMD is doing good rn is with their mid class GPU, the 5600 and the 5950x which are really good. But compared to their 3000 series, thats poor
With the i3-12100F coming in at around $7-10 more expensive than the Ryzen 5 5500 nowadays, and the 12100 IGP version coming in at around $40-45 more nowadays, that R5 5500 is looking mighty tasty to a LOT of gamers running mid-to-high-end GPUs like an RX 6600 XT, 6700, 6700 XT, RTX 3060, 3060 Ti, or even a 3070.
AMD doing Intel things now launching overpriced uncompetitive products. Intel doing AMD things offering best bang for your buck. Insane how roles have reversed since Ryzen 3000 really gained massive amounts of market share.
Companies usually take turns being the "leader" and being the "underdog" mostly because at the top you have no competition and can do whatever you want but whilst you do little improvement the "underdog" catches up and sometimes the roles switch around.
AMD is still more competitive at the highest margin segments of the market, and is still very competitive at most segments. At least they're still supporting what is now a very old motherboard platform, rather than forcing everyone to upgrade motherboards every one or two generations. Hopefully AMD continues that trend, and maybe Intel will end up trying to stretch out their motherboard support longer than before as well (as long as AMD keeps doing it, it seems likely that Intel would want to follow suit).
If the 5500 comes down a little in price (which it certainly will if it doesn't sell well enough), or if you find a good enough deal on a really cheap am4 motherboard to go with it, the 5500 could still make a lot of sense to some people. It's not actually a bad value really, just clearly worse than nearest intel equivalents if we assume that the motherboard prices are similar, which they may or may not be, depending on region, what sales are available, and what motherboard features the user actually wants/ needs.
Imagine the future of computing, where we've squeezed every ounce of performance out of processors, it's impossible to make them any smaller, so instead we started making them bigger by giving them massive blocks of cache up into the GBs just to get any improvement out of them.
As a ryzen owner since 2017 without watching the video I can agree AMD got greedy. Just before releasing these CPUS oddly AMD started allowing board manufacturers to add support for Ryzen 5000 on X370 boards. When we have know X370 boards could run ryzen 5000 for a year or so do due to leaked asrock bios. AMD allowed this just in time for them to dump off as much of the 5000 chips as possible before the next gen ryzen launches.
And for those who do not want to upgrade to DDR5 and Ryzen 7000, this is actually a good deal but, it is only good for those who stuck with their 300 and 400 series motherboards.
frankly, with a total budget around $350 for a new platform, 5500 sounds like a good spot to me, that hasn't bought any new system for 12 years, where I still ran older 580X GPU and not going to buy a new one anytime soon. Intel choice is significantly more expensive due to higher motherboard prices. I seeing 5500 selling for around $105 online at my place right now. Definitely not $160.
I think this is the perfect example of how competition is the only thing keeping companies honest. I can't wait to see how AMD clears the egg off their face and tries to compete again.
To be honest I bought this 5 5500 and I don’t give a f since my previous cpu was 200GE ☠ and here I am who is used to playing games on 20fps and still I am good so anything that has anything that is higher is like a crazy thing to me.
I understand that you can't put *every* cpu on your list, but personally I have a 2600 and not including it makes it difficult for me to measure the precise uplift. It would be great if you could include more older cpus people might be upgrading from.
The 2700X is in the charts ... and the performance delta to a 2600 is practically non-existent in anything other than rendering on CPU (who does this nowadays anyway? GPU acceleration is the norm now!). I had a 2600 myself for some time and stock they feel slughish AF. The only way to run this CPU is at fixed clock of around 4-4.1GHz at a Vcore of 1.2/1.25V. This leads to about stock power consumption at around 15% higher all-core clock. Without clock-switching they run noticably faster in interactive performance (click-to-action latency) and produce numbers not at all comparable to the numbers in these GN charts. The 3700X after that didn't really benefit from fixed clocks. And the 5600X (I'm running currently) is straight up faster when running in stock configuration! The only thing really helping performance on the Zen3 parts is curve optimizer. But I couldn't get reliable undervolts without crashing and gave up on that ... maybe crappy mobo or CPU sample.
@@glockmanish I have a 2600X, on default and when busy, it runs at 4.25 GHz all the time. And it's only got a Dark Rock 4 for cooling, nothing fancy like an AIO or a dual tower.
I would DEFINITELY not upgrade from the 2600 to the 5500, at least not right now. The 5600 would be a much more meaningful upgrade for only 40 usd more, and the 5600 is likely a good final CPU to have on an AM4 motherboard (good chance it will never really make sense to upgrade beyond a 5600 for gaming only, or maybe upgrading to an 8-core Zen 3 CPU in a few years will be worthwhile, but no need to get an 8-core just yet, as the 5700x is a full 100 usd more than the 5600 at current pricing, and gives almost no improvement over a 5600 in games, and will likely still not be making a big difference in many, if any games, even in two years from now, especially within the most likely and most common system configurations). It's hard to say for sure, but I suspect that the 5600 will continue to pull further ahead of cpus like the 2600, 3600, and 5500 in gaming with common videocards, settings, and resolutions. As mid-range mainstream videocards continue to improve, the 5600's superior cache and other features will likely make more of a difference. At first glance, the 3600 appears to have the same cache, but while it has the same amount of cache, the L3 cache isn't unified, and apparently that can make a big difference, among other things. We already know that the 5600 tends to be about 19% faster than a 3600 in most conditions which aren't gpu constrained, and new mid-range videocards will start getting bottlenecked more by the 5500 or 3600 than they will by the 5600. I've already seen a bunch of data which shows that the 5600 is often a lot more than 19% faster in 1% low data (framerate consistency) vs the 3600 in high fps conditions as well, and that is often more important than average fps (and I believe that's largely related to its superior cache design). One thing to look at might be the RAM you're using, as Ryzen 5000 cpus will definitely benefit more from faster RAM, but could also be bottlenecked more than older Ryzen CPUs by slower ram. Given the choice, you would probably want to use at least CL 16 3200 RAM with a Ryzen 5000 CPU, and CL 16 3600 or CL 14 3200 would be even better, provided that the price makes sense. A RAM upgrade might be worthwhile if you end up upgrading from Zen 1 or Zen+ to a Zen 3 CPU.
To me its not really that. If you consider all the facts, then it is a Cezanne Chip. 16MB Cache and PCIe are the takeaways. Its either a recycled 5600G or 5600U...
I actually have a perfect candidate for this one. I am upgrading an X470 platform machine I sold locally to an older gentleman that just does hobby photo and video work. He currently has a 2400g but has bought a second monitor so we are upgrading to a 1650 and this 5500 chip. That will be a huge IPC boost for a computer he bought off me 3 years ago, and he doesn't need the extra cache of the 5600. Can still get a 5900 in a few years if he wants to upgrade.
Seems like you'd still be better off going for a 2700x for that workload, right? Getting half-cached is going to cut a lot of the IPC advantage of zen3 over zen+ I'd expect. Heck, you can even get used 3700x's for less than AMD's asking for the 5500.
I mean, do whatever you want, but I see little reason to get one over a used 3600 which I'm certain you could find for about $120 if you looked around.
@@vgamesx1 This is faster than the 3600 and easier to come by. Time looking for a 3600 at a good price is not worth saving $40 if you make anywhere near $40/hr. Not everyone is broke.
@@kevinrichards1666 That's good for you, but you appear to be assuming that a measly $40 isn't kind of a big deal for a lot of people... In which case, if money is of so little concern, then why cheap out in the first place? Surely on that basis alone, saving even a few seconds be it for work or play is far more valuable than a tiny extra $40 or more spent on higher-end components, you're kinda sending mixed messages.
I don't think they are accounting for the consumers perspective here. This seems to be a chip for anyone with a first or second generation Ryzen CPU, and something like a b450 motherboard. It allows that market to make a considerable upgrade without breaking 170 dollars, at this time the CPU is currently selling for $140, which is less than the cost of an R5 3600. From the perspective of someone buying a whole new PC, it doesn't make sense because they have the choice of any motherboard.However, for someone with an AM4 motherboard, not wanting to upgrade their entire setup, for $140 you can have something nearly on par with the 3700X in gaming performance as per the graphs shown. That extra 20 dollars you spend is nothing when compared to the time, effort, and money spent to switch platforms. There should have been more benchmarks with previous AM4 chips, like the 1600af, 2600, 1700X, etc. I'm confident that this was the target market here, essentially anyone still holding on to an AM4 chip that was less performant than an R5 3600.
Well, I've just built a new PC for 1080p gaming using this CPU (not turned on yet as waiting for second hand Radeon 5500XT to arrive). It doesn't seem *that* different to the i3-12100F in terms of frame rates, and the price of these in the UK is now about the same as the i3 (I got mine for £84 off Amazon). I was aware it doesn't support PCI-E Gen 4 when I bought it, but don't mind - I made sure the motherboard I got did support it for future upgrades and also my graphics card budget of £100 wouldn't get a decent PCI-E Gen 4 card anyway. Appreciate the honest review though. As the system I'm upgrading from is ancient (AMD Athlon II X4 635, 6Gb RAM, 1Gb graphics card), it'll seem lightning fast compared to what I have today, and should be enough to play the games I want to play :-)
Oddly though, in the UK right now, the R5 5500 is under £100 at £96 on Amazon and it comes with the Wraith Stealth. The i3 12100F is £126 for the chip alone. Meaning your going to have to fork out another £40+ for a cooler (none cheaper that are usable. Even the Hyper 212 is £46). I've checked other shops too, not just Amazon and basically, if you want the i3 over the R5 you have to spend an extra £70+. Imagine what an extra £70 does for a motherboard or RAM. You can go from B550 to X570 with an extra £70, easily.
AMD used to be very price competitive. They had one generation of being ahead and they already turned into how Intel was before. Thinking people will pay more just because of the name. I hope Zen 4 will be priced competitively.
It must.Zen 3 pricing makes sense in some cases because you can just drop it on an existing mobo,but Zen 4 will fight Raptor Lake with this situation reversed.
@@naamadossantossilva4736 if AMD wants people to switch from Intel and not just get the people with AM4 motherboards already they need to lower prices. I am still happy with my 9700K but I am really interested to see who wins the next generation and if it will be worth upgrading.
At least they still give support to such an old motherboard platform, rather than forcing you to upgrade every generation or two. And, most Zen 3 products are still very price competitive, though the 5600 is basically the only CPU most gamers should be considering on the AMD side, with current pricing. It's with heavily threaded tasks where the 5700X, 5900X, and 5950X all still offer great value vs. intel (though I find it hard to imagine someone who needs heavily threaded performance, but can't justify the price of the 5900X over the 5700X). Most of the gamers buying 8+ core cpus for gaming are wasting their money imo. I mean, for example, anybody who bought a 3700X for gaming when it first came out, could have bought a 3600 and then upgraded to the 5600 for a lower overall net cost (after selling the 3600), and ended up with a CPU which is clearly superior to the 3700X for gaming as well.
@@wertywerrtyson5529 With your 9700K, you have to stick with your current motherboard. Once you try to get a new Intel CPU, you have to get a new motherboard. That’s how Intel rips you off.
You make such a big deal out of that 40$ difference between the 5500 and the i3, but that's completely negated by the cost of intel's motherboards compared to AMD's.
Hi GN. Thanks for always providing good meal time videos. That is all. (Unfortunately, the time spent waiting to get my food was longer than this video so I actually ended up being unable to watch it while eating, but I digress)
in germany we get the 5500 for 163€ meanwhile the 12100F costs 93€, that is a BIG difference and i would for the intel cpu, thats really disappointing Amd!
5500 is now down to 129 Euros. I wait until the 5600 goes down to 159.. Intel Boards costs too much to realy Take Advantage over the price. Also ryzen 7 is around the Corner.
Very good review! I got this CPU recently, went from a Ryzen 5 3400g to Ryzen 5 5500, and the best part that justified this was the price I got it for on the 2nd hand market which was $65 over here (Vietnam) Overall I am satisfied
So 10 months later, AMD owns much of the Amazon top 20 best selling CPUs (Amazon's top 50 best selling CPUs), the 5500 is in the top 20 and has at times been in the top 10. The Intel 12100(insert letter) has two entries in the top 50, at the 20 spot and one at the 50 spot, at 30% off so they can actually SELL it. So "TOO LITTLE TOO LATE, AMD's GREED" That sure didn't stand up to the test of time. Oh yeah I forget RUclips reviewers think everything is about that ONE DAY they do the review forgetting that companies adjust as they see fit. They also forget that buyers buy over years, not days. Zen 3 came out in late 2020. Right now it's the best selling line of CPUs on the market and has been for months, 2.5 years AFTER it launched. At Amazon for instance Zen 3 has OWNED the top 20 spots. The specific skus have fluctuated, but the AMD APUs the 5600G and 5700G have often been in the top 10 and sometime both products are in the top 5 spots. The domination is something like 60 - 65% of the top 20 best selling spots. JUST Zen 3, owning most of the top 20 best selling CPUs at Amazon. Really, months after AMD has launched a new gen and Intel has launched 12th and 13th gen, Zen 3 outsells all of them. To whoever may come along in the future, when a reviewer makes a statement like "too little too late", they don't know WTF they're talking about AMD doesn't even plan on stopping the production of Zen 3 because it became their budget option and even though their profit margin is smaller per unit, their overall profit is still really good because of volume. Because I build systems for people I watch pricing and I look at this list all the time. It allows me to show people what others are buying in case they feel unsure about something. AMD APUs have been big sellers since Zen 2, so now going on 4 years Zen 2 and 3 are almost always in the top 10 with their APUs. For some people it's about the price of just the APU, but because Zen 3 APUs actually have good graphics processing and GPUs got really expensive in 2021, the 5600G and 5700G are always in the top 10, and usually both in the top 6.
yep in my country both cpu have the same price but i do only casual gaming and im interested in other productivity related software, so it makes more sense to buy 5500 (their mobo are also cheaper), things change with time.
Right? Here we are in 2024 and I snagged a R5 5500 for like $80. Got a B550 board for $85 as well. This is a budget build that’s getting paired with a GTX 1070 for my wife. Meanwhile an i3 12100/13100/14100 still clocks in at $130 plus $95 for the cheapest B660/B760 board. In this day and age I feel like the 5500 isn’t that bad of a deal now. Especially for serious budget builds.
I appreciate you spelling out the important bits right at the beginning so much, I just drop a like, mute the video and let it run through the end for the algorithm, and here's a comment telling AMD to stop wasting silicon.
Even if this budget chip was good enough to justify it being in the market now, with what AMD did with the 3100 and 3300x makes me question if these chips will be in stock to the point of being relevant, when it already isn't because of cost v Performance
For now, where i live 5500 cost 130$ i3 12100f 128$, 5600 at 195$. So current prices makes 5500 really good value cpu for now. All it needs was solid price.
What really boggles my mind is that AMD's current budget GPU is the RX 6500XT, which loses quite a bit of performance at gen 3, meanwhile their budget CPUs are all gen 3.
I decided to go from my 5600G APU build to a 12100f, and so far I've had absolutely zero complaints, this thing smokes price to performance. It's just stupid good. I've wondered if maybe going for a midgrade 5XXX would be the right move, but frankly this CPU performs perfectly fine. Can't believe it was only $120. (Running an RTX 3060 so while theoretically the 12100f is holding potential frames back, my GPU is going to be the bottleneck long before the CPU in most cases, even at 1440p. Maybe especially at 1440p? Idk how that works)
if i didnt already have 3 b450 motherboards sittin around from newegg nonreturnable bundles i would of jumped on the 12100f, i need a amd cpu that can do what intel does for 100 bucks
But, I don't get it, the 12100f don't have graphics, what you did, sold all your AMD setup parts and got the Intel plus an entry level/mid range GPU weren't GPUs super expensive right now? I'm considering replacing my i5 3570 media server / 2nd PC with an AMD APU but maybe a 12th gen Intel with integrated graphics would be way better for such a task.
@@RetroTinkerer I wanted to play Elden Ring and the APU build was gonna struggle big time, so I went with a budget CPU and picked up (eventually) an AMD RX 6600 for $450, but I was having driver issues on boot so I switched to a 3060 for 520 from Zotac and that's where I'm happily at now. So yeah, more expensive than I'd like, but 5600G versus RX 6600 or RTX 3060, completely incomparable performance. My APU build was Mini ITX with a slim form factor and it wasn't going to support a graphics card (and PCI-E lanes are limited on that chipset/CPU as well) so it all had to go. I'd originally tried out a 6500XT ($230) with the 12100f, and it was mostly okay, but I really craved 1440p and that card lacks. You absolutely cannot use 6500XT with a 5600G CPU, your PCI-E lanes are completely borked and you dump like half your potential performance.
I agree..I mean when they're launching 5000 series with 50$ markup, it feels very wrong.. Then not releasing Non X sku and not releasing Ryzen 3 5000 series... I really think AMD think they're comfortable and they didn't need to release the product because of Intel 's weakness.
@@GewelReal Alder Lake is a later generation, and its not a clear win. Being somewhat better isn’t good enough, typical Intel Rocket Lake was Ryzen 5000 competition, it was on the back of 11th Gen failure, which made Alder Lakes win Look more substantial than it really is, even at AMD’s low end predictions ZEN4 is going to be unmatched, except for productivity which will from now be hybrid dominated
I bought an R5 3600 in late 2019 for 180 Euros (it's about the same amount in USD), with an Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite and 32 GB 3200 CL16 RAM, upgraded my GPU recently to an RX 6700XT. And the R5 was such a good purchase for that price and time, as it's still keeping up with the latest CPUs, delivering good and smooth fps with the new GPU. And a cheap in socket upgrade to a Zen3 =>8 Core in the future is still an option. But up to date I don't need that, mostly GPU limited at 1440p 80 to 100 fps. I love my little Ryzen 5
I remember when the 1600AF was availible here in germany for 85€ brand new with box cooler And now they are releasing cpus that are twice as expensive and maybe a bit better in a few cases Lmao
@@josephnorris4095 Relative to intel it isn't much better than the 1600AF was at the time. Intel now offers stronger and cheaper CPUs with Alder Lake yet AMD still charges more than they used to price to performance.
That was also before Corona Hit the market. 5500 is down to 129 euro today. I hope the 5600 Drops to 159...in a few days. Then i replace my 2600. You still get 80 Euros for the used 2600. 😁
At 4:19, I think it would be better and easier to understand if regular intervals are used for the CPU frequency (y axis), maybe at 100 or 200 mHz intervals
The i3-12100F is better than an overclocked i7-7700K @ 5ghz, and runs much cooler too. It is an unbelievable value and is probably the best budget CPU in years. The i7-7700K was the flagship consumer model 5 years ago and is now soundly beat by Intel's budget offerings.
@@gippygames what's the GPU? If you're upgrading the GPU every two year, specially with high-end models. The CPU would be bottlenecked soon, usually on a 3 to one basis. This means 1 CPU for 3 GPU upgrades. If you're keep using low-end GPUs then of course the CPU held on.
@@gippygames only because intel was lulling for many years making shit products. Difference between 4770k and 7700k was miniscule. Fuck intel instead of innovating they did nothing for many years
@@Amorousstake4 What? They haven't been accused of false advertising with the Zen architecture so far unlike with Bulldozer that led to a false advertising lawsuit.
Would like to make an honourable mention for the i5 11400 here, 6 core 12 thread with pcie 4 outperforming in most cases the 5500 and the new i3, with it, especially the f version being much cheaper
z590 boards being overpriced is largely going to ruin that value. Realistically that platform is a step down from B550 but intel still wanted premium price for it. The vastly better z690 is only $1 more from intel than it's older chipset, and still better h670 will be less expensive.
Thanks, Steve! It could be a good budget option if it drops down to 130€ quickly. But yeah, too little too late. I hope AMD will learn and will want to compete with Zen 4 in all segments from the start.
I'm a fan of the i3-12100F but in my country, and a lot of other Asian countries, supply and pricing is ridiculous. Definitely not like the Western RUclipsr situation. The Ryzen 5 5500 is flawed but when you're in a country where it costs 100-120 USD, the Ryzen 5 5600 costs 170-180 USD and Intel supply and prices change randomly everyday, it's definitely less clear cut. Especially when you consider the intel compatible motherboard prices here. I guess that's the reason why locally, where 1080p gaming is the only goal, it's a very popular CPU.
These are fun to watch all the way through, simply because the comments about the worthlessness of the R5 5500 as each benchmark is presented allows for gales of laughter. This makes all of your "wasted" efforts on the time spent for this product provide value for the viewers!
Little bit update, oc my 5500 to 4.5ghz with voltage at 1.275v, amd original cooler manage to keep the temperature under 85c. Best $80 I spend on PC parts ever, period!
I read somewhere saying 5500 & 5600g has a better memory control unit than 5600(x). I gave it a try. Now, my ddr4-3200 ram running at ddr4-4000 with default voltage steady. Thank you for the great product, AMD.
@@GamersNexus I own a 1600, but I wouldn't bother to upgrade to this when the 5600 seems more worthwhile for the price. Extra cache seems worth the higher price of the 5600.
I had a B450 aorus board in a rig running games on a R3 2200g chip. I wanted to upgrade it to r5 chip cheap. I got a r5 5500 and did the job. It is running great doing what I want it to. The bios upgrade was the only thing I was worrying about as it had to be done in steps, going from an F4 to F62 on the gigabyte board. This is my backup unit and will be used by my niece to play games.
I mean, this is kind of AMD's strategy. The advantage to using the MCM approach was that they could streamline all of their chip design from servers to consumer-grade CPUs using a single architecture. You're getting CCDs that would otherwise be in a Epyc part in somebody's datacenter. Considering how good TSMC's yeilds on 7nm have been, I doubt there are many CCDs that have more than two bad cores. While it would be nice to have a 4C/8T part that's basically a 50% disabled Zen3 CCD--I can't imagine they get too many defects that bad. I think that they just don't have the inventory to support such a low binned part, and that would require them designing a different die for a "Zen 3 budget" model. With the low margins on budget-friendly parts, I suspect it wasn't worth their time to implement.
Hitting the nail in the head. I wonder if designing a 4 core chiplet destined for the budget CPUs is such bad business for AMD not to have done it already. They could easily mix and match them for making 4, 6 and 8 core CPUs. This would also free loads of the standard 8 core chiplets for the 12, 16 and bigger SKUs
@@thelegendaryklobb2879 considering the "real money" is in Epyc/datacenter I doubt this would be viable. They're really trying to claw up as much of the datacenter market as they can while Intel is still lying on their back like a distressed turlte. (Alder Lake caught them up on the consumer market but AMD still has a decisive edge with Epyc). The real bottleneck here is how many wafers they can get from TSMC. They're prioritizing their silicon with Epyc and the semicustom market. Making a 4-core chiplet as you suggest would be useless for Epyc and not be worth the wasted wafers. AMD would much rather use those wafers for parts that can be used for either high-margin consumer parts or for servers. It's a business decision that hurts consumers and helps stockholders, but considering how dead AMD looked back in 2014, I don't blame their C-suite for pushing in this direction. Epyc is what will keep AMD in business for the next 10 years, not budget-friendly consumer parts. They're (somewhat happily) ceding that ground to Intel. This is the kind of decision you make when your company is still on the comeback: "Hey, we don't have the fabs anymore--we can't buy unlimited wafers, what are we going to have TSMC print for us? We know our servers make bank, let's just double-down on that and release what we can to consumers so we can compete in that market too... Meanwhile let's buy up some other silicon companies so we can leverage better buying power with the fabs for the future generations."
@@thelegendaryklobb2879 hopefully they are in a better position with all the cash they made from Zen 3 and have given thought to what you said ahead of Zen 4. Hopefully, we shall have to see...
@@WayStedYou well yeah, it's what they're shoving down are throats because the yeilds on the 8-core CCDs has been so good. If they had to disable more cores then they would have more competitive offerings down the stack. Instead their approach and TSMC's yeilds have been so good--you get this crap.
@@tilapiadave3234 these are still relatively low-margin products. If they don't sell well, the prices will come down soon enough. The fact that AMD supported their AM4 platform for so long has still made the AM4 platform the better value for consumers in the long run. switching to Intel just to get a 12100F would still end up being a worse value. Is the 5500 a great value product? No, but is it that bad? Also no. The 6500 XT, on the other hand, now THAT'S a disgrace. If they had just marketed it honestly, I wouldn't have minded so much, but I fear for all of the people who bought one without knowing that they won't get full functionality out of it on their PCI-e 3.0 motherboards.
@@syncmonism AMD is a DEAD finished DEAD platform. Time to move on , technology moves forward. I have several B450m mobo's sitting on my shelf waiting WAITING for a reasonably priced CPU to use in them ,,,,, 5600 non x was my hope but that is also over-priced. Yep the 6500xt is BAD ,,, but if it drops enough in price it will make a low end gaming system with the 11400f ( US$140) and B560 ( US$ 65) I have sitting on the shelf ,, lucky I have a lot of shelving :)
I have got this 5500 for 88€ brand new yesterday, for the price i can’t complain, it was a huge upgrade to a Ryzen 7 2700 & rtx 2060. (All parts at stock clocks/power).
Great review guys, I cant find a 12100 in stock unfortunately, neither a 4600g, isn't the R5 5500 the same as a 5600g but without the Igpu? Have you guys planned on making a super tuned 4600g/5600g/5700g video with overclocking?
12400F is what you are looking for if you cant find a 12100 in stock For budget build you always want to go for intel since amd is so expensive these days, and Im speaking from the perspective of someone owning an AMD CPU.
@@EmileysSmile Both of them have 16gb of cache, the 5600g has slightly a higher clock but as seen on the review from yesterday for the 5600 comparing it to the 5600x this translates to a 2% difference, making them essentially equal in performance but with the igpu difference
@@josef.bardales125 yeah my bad, was reffering to the video which seems to count L2+L3 Cache. Then the 5500 might be slightly less but almost the same as the 5600G.
The only thing I can think if maybe one ended up with a really cheap (less than $50) A520 based board and already had either storage or RAM on hand and wanted the something that would slot in at the barest minimum. . . even getting a new GPU ~$210 for GTX 1650 or 6500XT (spit) would keep the total system price (less peripherals, OS) under $500 at around $475. Having to supply both memory and storage maybe $510-520. Considering the way prices have been, the idea of being able to build a desktop for -less than- close to $500 with new parts (albeit compromised) is still worth something. EDIT: Case + PSU, to be sure. I forgot. My garage is somewhat full of them. My most recent acquisitions were an EVGA 500 BA and a CoolerMaster Q300 for $60 for one of the kid's builds. Otherwise, just like the 3600 before, the 5600 is the darling of the line-up and current basis for my next dev/entertainment PC
Yes, it's for users like me who already have an old B350m board and wants to upgrade R5 1400...still, $159 is too much. I'll upgrade once I find a sub$100 chip, either 3600, or 5500.
@@ericp1480 Agreed. Be quite the race: "New" 3600 at the river company is currently $180. Considering, however, Micro Center (Duluth, GA) has 5600 for $200, one could skip a pizza and a couple coffees and grab the 5600. In case at a later date a B550 or X570 falls in one's lap-- which is exactly where I am right now (but ITX only-- anything decent is well past $200, probably not going to change).
8:35 "The r5 5500 should have come out over a year ago" It wasn't done back then. The 5500 is based on the cesanne APUs like the 5600g, not the Matisse architecture, like the 5600x is. the 5000 apus are not on the market for a full year yet. Although of course you are right with blaming AMD for not offering a budget cpu for more than a year.
Im on b550 mobo. Do i need to update bios for r5 5500? Seems to be working normally for now. Maybe its still holding some power. I just want it To work at max potentiel. Thanks
I personnally installed the last bios on my mobo right after building my new PC .. remember that bios is part of your system's fundation .. it's important ..
well i bought ryzen 5500 with 76.31 usd, and the Recommended Customer Price of 12100f is $107.00 - $117.00, so .. 12100f is 4cores 8thread while 5500 is 6cores 12thread, for gamming, on today standard u better got at least 6 cores cpu, yes the single thread rating of 12100f is higher than 5500 for 12 percent, but on the other hand the multi-thread rating of 5500 is higher than 12100f for 26.8%! according to passmark. 5500 is among the top of the list of c/p value for cpus still selling on the market. the problem of pcie gen 3 is not really a problem for budget gammers, u dont expect a budget build including some kind of top tier gpu which will overload the pcie gen 3. plus users of am4 amd can always upgrade to other cpu which utilize pcie gen 4 on the same motherboard if they need whatever 5000 series is the end of am4.
liked the review, but from personal experience there are a couple of advantages you missed mentioning . im not saying the r5 is better, but it offers a better deal then you made it to be. main thing is the core count. sure for gaming benchmarks its worse, but when you have 4 cores and you try to game with your day to day pc, the performance gets much worst. and the biggest problem is the 1% fps. with the i3 you will probebly find yourself needing to close stuff before starting a game just to get decent performance with no fps drops. second thing is the price; im not from america so it might be different, but you also need to take into account that the more expensive motherboard for similar budget features fill the price gap.
Yup. It's just not that bad. It's 10% less performance for 20% less money when compared to the 5600... But that one is actually better value? Intel's 12th gen just threw a wrench into AMD's releases, and to be honest, that's kinda great. Competition will push AMD and that's awesome for the customer. However, you do need to ask yourself... Would this review have been so negative were the 12100 not in the mix? I think not.
in my country (indonesia) R5 5500 has the same price with 12100f, which made it a very good option for entry level gaming build, and with 6/12 cores you can do some rendering too
I'm from South East Asia too and the Ryzen 5 5500 is a decent pick in the Philippines. Currently at 100-120 USD vs the Ryzen 5 5600 at 170-180 USD. All while Intel stock is kinda weird and not consistent. Your choice of CPU really just depends on your region and whether your goal is simply 1080p gaming.
@@alvinaditya1610 yeah monitor so fckng expensive,,,, bahkan gue pernah mikir buat gaming di tv karna tv kami bagus,,,, tapi itulah agak aneh nantinya,,,,but after a while and safe some money i got AOC 24g2z,, thats a nice monitor and Im happy for it
I think AMD doesn’t expect anyone to buy this CPU, it’s just propping up super flawed chips instead of becoming straight e-waste. They probably know something that we don’t such as Intel might be selling the i3 chip at a loss or break even
it's a good thing that they're making use of the chips with defects instead of straight throwing them out. But then you'd think they'd at least make them a lot cheaper than what they're currently asking for ($100 or less would be great, think of the 1600AF a few years back)
@@edwardliu5453 I see your point, I think they’re going for a negative halo product whatever they call that in marketing where they drive the consumers to the desired product. Which is likely where they have the largest margin.
not all roses with the 12100/F. I bought one recently and surprised that BCLK setting is not available. Worse of all, I was so disappointed they locked down the voltage setting. That is like buying a cheap PC where nothing can be changed in the bios but the 12100 is like an i5 or even i7 of years ago. It has a huge IHS and cooler, and pricey motherboards.
I haven't researched the updated prices yet (rather prices around 1.5 months ago for the motherboards), but this seems to be ignoring the motherboard price difference? Because when I last checked the Intel motherboards were a very significant chunk more expensive. Like 50$ or something IIRC. If the stores are selling the CPUs at a certain price difference and motherboards at another price difference, the face that AMD is "behind" might be totally irrelevant.
this is the LOW END where the price difference between H610 and A520 are minimal at best ($10 - $20). Intel still beats AMD at this segment because of PCIE 4.0.
I could imagine amd found some piles of cpus that didn't fit the binning shemes and just decided to release them as new part number before the end of zen3. So if they don't have much inventory of those, the unattractive price doesn't matter much. Silmilar to the intel 11900k situation.
Even if it’s a okay purchase for a 2600X owner, like me. I’m glad reviews are bashing it’s price point. AMD needs to drop it to 119 before I buy it. GPU prices have been so stupid the past few years that I could downgrade to a 1400 and still be bottlenecked by my RX580.
Ok so my options are R5 5500 107 USD / R5 5600 158 USD / i3-12100F 133 USD. What is the best option? For me is still seems 5500 based on some benchmarking scores I find on the internet.
Just ordered a 5500 to upgrade my home server for $100USD and included company of heroes 3 coupon which is worth $70USD at this point in time. I think it's a pretty solid deal getting a new*ish 4.2ghz 12 thread CPU for $30 lol. Just depends on what you're buying it for and if you can find a sale.
The only thing that redeems the 5500 right now is that at MY local shops you can get a Ryzen 5 5500 for 25% less than a Ryzen 5 3600/5600(3600 is actually $10CAD more than the 5600), and according to your benchmarks it still beats it. So if you're wanting lower than 5600 and still AMD it can still make some sense, but mainly only for those who are already bought into the AMD platform.
Yeah I agree, I think Gamers Nexus slightly missed the point here, the chip still makes a sense as a cheap upgrade for an old 300/400 motherboard. for people on low end 2nd/1st gen ryzen. and the price is still competitive with the i3 12100f if you consider motherboard price as well.
@@hugoinnes8540 It's actually cheaper than the 12100f by a good $70 CAD($55USD) even with the cheapest Intel motherboard that I can find. So probably more like $85-100CAD or 68-80USD. That's before we get into the fact that the 12100F just isn't even in stock around me, in a major city.
Good God every time I come to one of these comment sections it's a fucking echo chamber of stupidity. There is nothing wrong with this chip. I've researched it and looked at it's performance relative to other chips and it's an amazing deal in my opinion. 6 cores and 12 threads, better performance than any of the 3000 series Ryzen 5's, slightly worse performance than the other 5000 series, but better than Intel 11th gen in many situations while almost meeting them in gaming. 12th Gen Intel is way more money right now and you have to shell out even more for some ddr5. Sure, no PCIE GEN 4 support which is annoying and frankly stupid on amd's part, but they're only hurting themselves by doing it (I'm going to buy an Nvidia card now), so it doesn't have anything to do with greed. If you think anyone buying this is going to take advantage of PCIE GEN 4 speeds with anything other than an rx6000 series graphics card, you're incredibly dumb. Most people won't even notice the speed difference with anything else. The thing costs like 130 dollars right now, which is an insanely good deal. And besides, this is their competition for i3's. It's got more cores than an i3 so I'm not sure why anyone is complaining. Sure, it doesn't have as good of a future upgrade path as Intel, but that's an issue with the socket, not the CPU. I don't really see how AMD is suddenly a terrible company. Seems like you idiots have nothing better to do then claim companies are bad and come up with shit to try to prove that point. Your videos never age well. You were wrong about the 6500xt and you're wrong about this. Everyone was making fun of the decisions they made with it until it was the only fucking GPU available at MSRP or cheaper and not out of stock.
When it comes to budget PC components reviews nothing beats third world RUclips channels. The always show all the pro and cons FROM the consumer perspective
Budget gaming channels often have more realistic views on low-mid range parts. LowSpecGamer when he was still active occasionally critiqued LinusTechTips for their budget build takes for example. RandomGaminginHD also made a video on the Ryzen 5 4500 noting that it's flawed but underrated.
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The links to the 12100F review are erroneously linking to the 5600X review, so there is no way to verify what memory the 12100 is using. If it is using some good DDR5 memory then all the points in the video are irrelevant, since the price difference does not matter because DDR5 eats it anyway. Also the review is using quite outdated games, and the only new core heavy games like Cyberpunk and RDR2 are a (small) win for AMD, which could matter in the future for new games. It seems that the 12100F is winning on frequency and cache and loosing to compute/thread power. It would make more sense to have a comparison that uses the same memory on a more newer set of games. I bet few people are buying this CPU to run CSGO on 300FPS and most are interested in new titles that will load more than one or two threads, and would like to use the CPU for a few years to come on new titles that will release. But slapping AMD on pricing: I agree with that. Just be objective in the review, and slap them anyway.
Any opinions on the 5800x3d?
When's the 5700X review?
Idk if it would be cost effective for GN, but I would love a short video on how psu wires from one psu may not work on another psu? Maybe for people like me that just threw the extras in a drawer over the years and now idk which go to which, might be others out there
Thanks GN, did not take me long to skip trough the video and have a plain and simple answer about how good this product is versus what else you can get with the same money or so. I mean i like your videos and the way you make them, but not interested in wasting my time when the product is so uninteresting :), thanks again.
Brilliant product synergy from AMD having a budget CPU that only supports PCIE 3.0 to go with their budget GPU that only has 4 PCIE lanes.
hahaha. Excellent point. Didn't think of that! I'd forgotten the 6500 XT!
This was my thought exactly. They clearly don’t care about the budget segment.
They expect gamers to buy the higher end CPUs. Sadly a "budget" GPU should not be $250 msrp.
@@GamersNexus We all try to forget the 6500 XT
It is obvious that the 6500XT was released to help Intel sell their entry level CPUs. 🤣
Bought the 3600 for the same price over two years ago. This ist truely dissapointing for AMD. Sad to see how quickly they changed their price policy once the where truely competetive on high end.
Great price on the 3600, though!
3600 is the best CPU in the last 5 years.
@@GamersNexus 165€ incl. tax in Feb 2020 also got a Strixx 5700XT for 380€ incl. tax. These prices feel like from an ancient time.
Glad to be part of the 3600 club.
@@SirSilicon I got a Z 690 asus tuff with an i5 12600k for 395 taxes included at MC .
The worst part about PCI-E Gen 3 with budget CPUs is that they typically get paired with budget GPUs like 6500XT that only has 4 PCI-E lanes that significantly hampers performance.
Someone else made that point as well and it's brilliant. Great point!
@Alien Wanderer But didnt amd thinked of the 6500xt when they made this cpu ?? They litteraly made that card plus its one the only card that is near mrsp that just stupid
Yes bad + badder equals the baddest
@@GamersNexus You'd be better off getting a 3600 than this thing.
@@Sonyoucef im betting tHis cpu “release” is just an afterthought to get rid of a limited amount of 5500u chips with defective gpus. The value of these chips is going to go way down when the zen4 stuff hits so might as well get rid of them. If AMD had alot of these or if market conditions were different they would be $99 like the 1600Af
The saddest part of this for me is I think the 3600 was often selling for around the same price as the 5500 is about 2-3 years ago? They can't even compete with themselves.
6500xt vs 5500xt vibes
Where I am from 5500 is 3-4 dollars expensive than the 12400f while being 4-5 dollars cheaper than 3600. Now why would anyone take 5500 over 12400f or even 3600? XD
The 3600 was 200 USD When it came out a little less than 3 years ago. I have actually never seen it for less than that new, because AMD never really released anything at the same price to replace it until now, and for some reason the only new 3600's seem to still be around 200 USD or even more (I guess demand has been high for them), but you can get them used now for around 130-150 USD, which would make them an ideal choice for that price range (for an AM4 system upgrade), especially if your board isn't compatible with Zen 3 CPUs.
I had assumed that the 5500 would perform the same as a 5600G, but from what I can tell, it seems to actually be running a bit worse, at least from what I remember of 5600G CPU benchmarks.
@@syncmonism I know a lot of people got them significantly below MSRP.
@@syncmonism As someone whose friend got his for only $150 and mine for $170 I can confirm it went on sale quite a bit in early 2020.
Now its under $100 I flashed my bios on my B450M Pro4 R2.0 up graded my ram to 32gb of 3200 installed 5500 and it runs great I'm not a big gamer I do photography an Photoshop and I have a GTX 1650 4gb card and WD Black NVME 3.0 nothing high end and couldn't be happier
AMD thought they were only competing with themselves, they somehow still managed to lose. I'm honestly amazed at how quickly they've forgotten the market segment that kept them going for so long.
Every time AMD/ATI gets the slightest lead, they get ahead of themselves and quickly stab the enthusiasts who got them there in the back.
ATI 9500 Pro a great price/performance card and better than Geforce 3? 9600 XT a terrible card that was slower at the same price.
AMD Athlon 64 X2s outclassing Intel Pentium Ds? AMD starts raising their dual core chip prices, with prices jumping $100+ on some chips (as well leaving S939 users high and dry).
Radeon 4870 and 4850 dominating vs Fermi? $100-150 price hike on 5870 and 5850 the next year.
I'm only surprised it took them so long to screw the pooch this time (Ryzen R5 5500, Radon 6500XT, 6600XT, 6700XT).
If they sell every cpu they make, then they made the right choice. Sure, I want my $80 3200g to come back, but probably won't for a long time.
@@Vasharan That's why I'm sticking with Intel. See the thing with Intel, if they get a lead and get arrogant, they just keep re-releasing the same CPU until it's not viable anymore. So during that time you can just...not upgrade. That's why I still have a 6700k (probably upgrading soon though).
almost like its just capitalism in action
@@StormsparkPegasus why are we being fanbois to a specifc company? Get what ever is fastest and has the feature you want smh - I picked Ryzen because it made sense when I purchased it, if in the future intel makes sense for the price, I'll be goin with that. . Smh people limiting their choices because of some brand loyalty only to hamper yourself is beyond me
AMD releases a budget GPU that only works "well" with PCIE 4.0 and then releases a budget CPU with only 3.0 support. Great move!
yeah the only budget chips you can actually use that card on AREN'T AMD at all!
Do you have data to back up claim?
@@xeridea what the hell are you talking about? They literally did do exactly this, no debate about it
@@xeridea awesome comment
@@ghomerhust LOVELY BUDGET GPU for an 11400f :) AHH the 11400f , forgotten CPU that was voted VALUE CPU of 2021????
got the r5 5500 for only 63 USD. PBO2 enabled running 4.45Ghz, Curve Optimizer -20. currently the best budget cpu there is.
After huge price drops it is around the same price as a 12100f and with cheaper motherboards it is now the better cpu to buy
No where to get that for 63 dollars min is 85+ dollars
Really sad to see AMD once again treating the low end market like shit. First the 6500xt with missing features now this.
Hopefully this is the only bad one of the bunch. AMD still needs to release those 4000 CPUs. Hopefully the R3 4100 doesn't disappoint.
@@Lostcontroller it will most likely perform the same as a 3100, which means it wont be adding anything new to the market as you can already get a 10100f for $80
*actually it will most like perform worse than both those cpus due to it only having 6mb of cache
@@Lostcontroller Steve already said the 4500 is a pain to work with, not a good sign.
@@jaronmarles941 I can't exactly be surprised. Not only was Renoir late to the DIY space, but the 4100 and 4500 are the only Renoir processors to have their integrated graphics disabled.
I doubt this is because they don't want to make a better part. They probably just can't for the money. They obviously would if they could.
AMD has had a slew of ho hum recent releases that don't match the value of their products to market competition. The 6400 and 5500 releases are just embarrassing. If they can't compete on performance at least reduce the price. They do neither. It's like they are begging Intel and Nvidia to steal market share. Great review as always GN.
Every time AMD takes market leadership they always manage to bungle and sabotage themselves.
I hope you keep that energy when talking about Intel higher end. Keep eyes on the 12900ks 800$ that they hope to just barely be above the 5800x3d 450$
@@mddunlap03 the 5800x3d that can't even overclock because it will explode [note: not literally]? yeah I'll pass on that experimental tech.
btw the 12900k is like 25% faster than the 5800x (non-3d), and the 12700(k) trounces the 5800x, so yeah let's not pretend that the $800 halo product is anything other than a halo product
If you're selling all your chips, why lower the price? It's called business. There's less profit in the low end. As for competing on performance. Are you talking about low, mid high end? They compete at every level performance wise. Not price wise.
Intel made all these low priced parts in a desperate attempt to grab back market share. But, at the expense of profit margin.
Maybe this is a case of "we have always been at war with eurasia". Its fake competition
the 5500 is a good cpu that is priced quite badly. now, at around $100 less, it is a great budget starter pc rig.
The I3 12100F is a blessing for budget builds
im holding for a 5600 getting discounted to 150
@@drakomus7409 might as well to wait for another 2 year lol. Crazy that even Ryzen 5 3600 almost have the same price as Ryzen 5 5600
Let's just hope B660 boards drop fast in price
@@GewelReal True enough. >150 usd for basic B chipset motherboard is insane lol. Asrock B660 Pro VDH is just shit board even at low price
Just got an i3-12100F for $116 and a Gigabyte B660M DS3H for $110 last week. Massive deal.
Far into the future I'll still be able to upgrade to an i7 Alder Lake or Raptor Lake CPU for cheaper.
I live in Portugal btw
Watching Intel and AMD stumble over their own arrogance every 5-10 years has been fascinating.
Interesting how the 5600 single handedly made both of its neighbors, 5500 and 5600x, obsolete.
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Yeah. I got my 5600x over a year ago and I still feel scammed.
@Friend of P. Now you know why they didn't release the 5600 before. I feel bad for the people that paid scalped prices for the 5600x they were sold for 350 USD and more, because "It WaS the bEst cPu for gaming". Paying those prices for a 6 core CPU was just stupid. Is like AMD Fans forgot how much they paid for 2600 and 3600.
@@neoperol Pretty bad compared to the 1600AF for $90, or my 2700x, i bought for $150 on Black Friday, while selling Borderlands 3 plus the wraith prism cooler together pushed the price below $100.
@@Psi-Storm The Hype fucked up everything. I wanted to build a SFF when the 5600x was been release and I lived outside of the US so prices were to the roof 400 - 450 USD for the 5600x and for some reason the 3600 was been sold for 250 USD, I end up selling the mobo because I found someone selling an intel 10700k because the guy wanted an AMD build with the 5600x, snagged that 10700k for 250 USD.
Now 5500 is on sale for $109, and an A520 motherboard from MSI will only cost you $39. It is a no brainer for casual gamer.
got the 5500 for 80 bucks new. Love it!
that's a steal!
The 5500 is less than 100€ right now in Germany, while the 12100f still sits at 110-120€. It's a really good option now!
Even average and flawed CPU's have their uses. In my country the Ryzen 5 5500 costs 100-120 USD while the Ryzen 5 5600 costs 170-180 USD. All while intel is just outright not available. What you buy really depends on where you are and whether all you're really looking for is a great 1080p ultra gaming experience.
LowSpecGamer, RandomGaminginHD and other budget and foreign gaming RUclipsrs, understand this.
same in mine AND motherboard is 50usd less also
If you are from Germany, and play games as a hobby last thing you worry about is spending 120 euro for a CPU.
@@asoka7752 can you elaborate how anything you just said makes sense
@@alvarobesnier AMD mobo's MORE expensive than Intel here is Aus. Near impossible to buy a decent B550
AMD went from doing everything right to doing everything wrong in the blink of an eye.
They're selling more cpus than ever, and making more money than ever, in part because they have prioritized serving high-end customers in server and workstation categories, where they still have a big competitive advantage over Intel.Their 5950X is also still very competitive against Intel in its niche, as are most of the Zen 3 cpus (to varying degrees) in their respective niches.
Their supply might not be that high for the 5500 (or the 4500), which might explain why they're not pricing their cpus particularly competitively, and they can also get away with charging a premium to people who are already on the AM4 platform, but even still, the AM4 platform has turned out to be a much better platform than Intel equivalents released around the same time. The small premium of the 5500 over the 12100F in terms of value per dollar is offset by the fact that a lot more people already have motherboards which the 5500 can run on, but you should also consider that some AM4 motherboards can be found for insanely low prices today, which can make even the mediocre 5500 seem like a great value. The 5500 is still a good value compared to most higher end cpus, especially in the 8+ core territory. Then again, even if someone is buying an older B450 board because they can find one for super cheap, and even though it (probably) won't be able to support PCI-e gen 4 or resizable BAR, a 5600 would probably still be a much better choice than a 5500. Might as well just pay the extra 40 now for a significantly better cpu, as anything more expensive than a 5600 is unlikely to ever be practical as an upgrade for an AM4 based gaming system.
@@syncmonism This is Gaming focused channel. It has nothing to do with what goes on in a server room. What has happened is that AMD has squandered the huge lead in value and performance and positive mind share that they had from about 2017 to early 2021.
@@christopherwood2290 No lol, Ryzen 5800X3D has again reclaimed the gaming performance crown and RX 6950 XT is faster than the RTX 3090 and even matches the 3090 Ti sometimes for much lower price.
@@syncmonism before Ryzen Intel was selling way more than AMD, did this mean Intel was doing everything tight too?
No, they re released the same CPU with marginal performance gains, because there wasnt enough competition.
Same with AMD now, the 5500 and the budget GPUs are just really not worth ut, while the high budget GPUs are not good either, because for high level productivity Nvidia is a lot better.
The thing AMD is doing good rn is with their mid class GPU, the 5600 and the 5950x which are really good. But compared to their 3000 series, thats poor
@@aninditabasak7694 5800X3D waste of sand
With the i3-12100F coming in at around $7-10 more expensive than the Ryzen 5 5500 nowadays, and the 12100 IGP version coming in at around $40-45 more nowadays, that R5 5500 is looking mighty tasty to a LOT of gamers running mid-to-high-end GPUs like an RX 6600 XT, 6700, 6700 XT, RTX 3060, 3060 Ti, or even a 3070.
As of writing this comment, the i3 is 10-15$ cheaper than the r5 in my country
AMD doing Intel things now launching overpriced uncompetitive products.
Intel doing AMD things offering best bang for your buck.
Insane how roles have reversed since Ryzen 3000 really gained massive amounts of market share.
sounds like oneplus the david vs samsung the Goliath days
Companies usually take turns being the "leader" and being the "underdog" mostly because at the top you have no competition and can do whatever you want but whilst you do little improvement the "underdog" catches up and sometimes the roles switch around.
AMD is still more competitive at the highest margin segments of the market, and is still very competitive at most segments. At least they're still supporting what is now a very old motherboard platform, rather than forcing everyone to upgrade motherboards every one or two generations. Hopefully AMD continues that trend, and maybe Intel will end up trying to stretch out their motherboard support longer than before as well (as long as AMD keeps doing it, it seems likely that Intel would want to follow suit).
If only the 5300G wasnt for OEM only or had they released these much much earlier, like before Intel ever dropped 12th Gen
You can buy it on Aliexpress just like all the 4000G (OEM exclusive) APUs lol Gotta love them Chinese ;)
They really couldn't release earlier, given that even their high-end lineup couldn't stay in stock.
If the 5500 comes down a little in price (which it certainly will if it doesn't sell well enough), or if you find a good enough deal on a really cheap am4 motherboard to go with it, the 5500 could still make a lot of sense to some people. It's not actually a bad value really, just clearly worse than nearest intel equivalents if we assume that the motherboard prices are similar, which they may or may not be, depending on region, what sales are available, and what motherboard features the user actually wants/ needs.
@@syncmonism If ,,,, IF ,, if ,,, IF
It is fascinating to see that the improvements of Zen 2 to Zen 3 equate to 16MB of L3 cache.
Imagine the future of computing, where we've squeezed every ounce of performance out of processors, it's impossible to make them any smaller, so instead we started making them bigger by giving them massive blocks of cache up into the GBs just to get any improvement out of them.
zen2/3 cache is the same, the 16MB difference is between zen2/3 and zen2/3 mobile.
As a ryzen owner since 2017 without watching the video I can agree AMD got greedy. Just before releasing these CPUS oddly AMD started allowing board manufacturers to add support for Ryzen 5000 on X370 boards. When we have know X370 boards could run ryzen 5000 for a year or so do due to leaked asrock bios.
AMD allowed this just in time for them to dump off as much of the 5000 chips as possible before the next gen ryzen launches.
And for those who do not want to upgrade to DDR5 and Ryzen 7000, this is actually a good deal but, it is only good for those who stuck with their 300 and 400 series motherboards.
@@josephnorris4095 For 500 series motherboards, it’s even better since you can have PCIe 4.0
frankly, with a total budget around $350 for a new platform, 5500 sounds like a good spot to me, that hasn't bought any new system for 12 years, where I still ran older 580X GPU and not going to buy a new one anytime soon. Intel choice is significantly more expensive due to higher motherboard prices.
I seeing 5500 selling for around $105 online at my place right now. Definitely not $160.
I think this is the perfect example of how competition is the only thing keeping companies honest. I can't wait to see how AMD clears the egg off their face and tries to compete again.
To be honest I bought this 5 5500 and I don’t give a f since my previous cpu was 200GE ☠ and here I am who is used to playing games on 20fps and still I am good so anything that has anything that is higher is like a crazy thing to me.
I understand that you can't put *every* cpu on your list, but personally I have a 2600 and not including it makes it difficult for me to measure the precise uplift. It would be great if you could include more older cpus people might be upgrading from.
The 2700X is in the charts ... and the performance delta to a 2600 is practically non-existent in anything other than rendering on CPU (who does this nowadays anyway? GPU acceleration is the norm now!).
I had a 2600 myself for some time and stock they feel slughish AF. The only way to run this CPU is at fixed clock of around 4-4.1GHz at a Vcore of 1.2/1.25V. This leads to about stock power consumption at around 15% higher all-core clock. Without clock-switching they run noticably faster in interactive performance (click-to-action latency) and produce numbers not at all comparable to the numbers in these GN charts.
The 3700X after that didn't really benefit from fixed clocks. And the 5600X (I'm running currently) is straight up faster when running in stock configuration! The only thing really helping performance on the Zen3 parts is curve optimizer. But I couldn't get reliable undervolts without crashing and gave up on that ... maybe crappy mobo or CPU sample.
@@glockmanish I have a 2600X, on default and when busy, it runs at 4.25 GHz all the time. And it's only got a Dark Rock 4 for cooling, nothing fancy like an AIO or a dual tower.
I would DEFINITELY not upgrade from the 2600 to the 5500, at least not right now. The 5600 would be a much more meaningful upgrade for only 40 usd more, and the 5600 is likely a good final CPU to have on an AM4 motherboard (good chance it will never really make sense to upgrade beyond a 5600 for gaming only, or maybe upgrading to an 8-core Zen 3 CPU in a few years will be worthwhile, but no need to get an 8-core just yet, as the 5700x is a full 100 usd more than the 5600 at current pricing, and gives almost no improvement over a 5600 in games, and will likely still not be making a big difference in many, if any games, even in two years from now, especially within the most likely and most common system configurations).
It's hard to say for sure, but I suspect that the 5600 will continue to pull further ahead of cpus like the 2600, 3600, and 5500 in gaming with common videocards, settings, and resolutions. As mid-range mainstream videocards continue to improve, the 5600's superior cache and other features will likely make more of a difference. At first glance, the 3600 appears to have the same cache, but while it has the same amount of cache, the L3 cache isn't unified, and apparently that can make a big difference, among other things. We already know that the 5600 tends to be about 19% faster than a 3600 in most conditions which aren't gpu constrained, and new mid-range videocards will start getting bottlenecked more by the 5500 or 3600 than they will by the 5600.
I've already seen a bunch of data which shows that the 5600 is often a lot more than 19% faster in 1% low data (framerate consistency) vs the 3600 in high fps conditions as well, and that is often more important than average fps (and I believe that's largely related to its superior cache design).
One thing to look at might be the RAM you're using, as Ryzen 5000 cpus will definitely benefit more from faster RAM, but could also be bottlenecked more than older Ryzen CPUs by slower ram. Given the choice, you would probably want to use at least CL 16 3200 RAM with a Ryzen 5000 CPU, and CL 16 3600 or CL 14 3200 would be even better, provided that the price makes sense. A RAM upgrade might be worthwhile if you end up upgrading from Zen 1 or Zen+ to a Zen 3 CPU.
And this year's winner in the "Waste of Sand" category is AMD! I mean, they don't have to beat Intel at *_everything_* .
And the GPU will be a 6500XT in crossfire with a 3090Ti.
To me its not really that. If you consider all the facts, then it is a Cezanne Chip. 16MB Cache and PCIe are the takeaways. Its either a recycled 5600G or 5600U...
@@Pyrlixx Yeah, the specs are awfully similar (or even identical) to a 5600G with disabled vega graphics
I actually have a perfect candidate for this one. I am upgrading an X470 platform machine I sold locally to an older gentleman that just does hobby photo and video work. He currently has a 2400g but has bought a second monitor so we are upgrading to a 1650 and this 5500 chip. That will be a huge IPC boost for a computer he bought off me 3 years ago, and he doesn't need the extra cache of the 5600. Can still get a 5900 in a few years if he wants to upgrade.
Seems like you'd still be better off going for a 2700x for that workload, right? Getting half-cached is going to cut a lot of the IPC advantage of zen3 over zen+ I'd expect. Heck, you can even get used 3700x's for less than AMD's asking for the 5500.
I mean, do whatever you want, but I see little reason to get one over a used 3600 which I'm certain you could find for about $120 if you looked around.
@@s1mph0ny Considering he is only a hobbyist, rendering less than 1 video per week, the IPC would be more useful than the extra cores.
@@vgamesx1 This is faster than the 3600 and easier to come by. Time looking for a 3600 at a good price is not worth saving $40 if you make anywhere near $40/hr. Not everyone is broke.
@@kevinrichards1666 That's good for you, but you appear to be assuming that a measly $40 isn't kind of a big deal for a lot of people...
In which case, if money is of so little concern, then why cheap out in the first place?
Surely on that basis alone, saving even a few seconds be it for work or play is far more valuable than a tiny extra $40 or more spent on higher-end components, you're kinda sending mixed messages.
I don't think they are accounting for the consumers perspective here. This seems to be a chip for anyone with a first or second generation Ryzen CPU, and something like a b450 motherboard. It allows that market to make a considerable upgrade without breaking 170 dollars, at this time the CPU is currently selling for $140, which is less than the cost of an R5 3600.
From the perspective of someone buying a whole new PC, it doesn't make sense because they have the choice of any motherboard.However, for someone with an AM4 motherboard, not wanting to upgrade their entire setup, for $140 you can have something nearly on par with the 3700X in gaming performance as per the graphs shown. That extra 20 dollars you spend is nothing when compared to the time, effort, and money spent to switch platforms.
There should have been more benchmarks with previous AM4 chips, like the 1600af, 2600, 1700X, etc. I'm confident that this was the target market here, essentially anyone still holding on to an AM4 chip that was less performant than an R5 3600.
Well, I've just built a new PC for 1080p gaming using this CPU (not turned on yet as waiting for second hand Radeon 5500XT to arrive). It doesn't seem *that* different to the i3-12100F in terms of frame rates, and the price of these in the UK is now about the same as the i3 (I got mine for £84 off Amazon). I was aware it doesn't support PCI-E Gen 4 when I bought it, but don't mind - I made sure the motherboard I got did support it for future upgrades and also my graphics card budget of £100 wouldn't get a decent PCI-E Gen 4 card anyway. Appreciate the honest review though. As the system I'm upgrading from is ancient (AMD Athlon II X4 635, 6Gb RAM, 1Gb graphics card), it'll seem lightning fast compared to what I have today, and should be enough to play the games I want to play :-)
Love it that you give part by part reviews, no bias, no love for previous greatness, just truth!
Oddly though, in the UK right now, the R5 5500 is under £100 at £96 on Amazon and it comes with the Wraith Stealth.
The i3 12100F is £126 for the chip alone. Meaning your going to have to fork out another £40+ for a cooler (none cheaper that are usable. Even the Hyper 212 is £46).
I've checked other shops too, not just Amazon and basically, if you want the i3 over the R5 you have to spend an extra £70+.
Imagine what an extra £70 does for a motherboard or RAM.
You can go from B550 to X570 with an extra £70, easily.
LMAO ,,, you can immigrate to a decent country
AMD used to be very price competitive. They had one generation of being ahead and they already turned into how Intel was before. Thinking people will pay more just because of the name. I hope Zen 4 will be priced competitively.
It must.Zen 3 pricing makes sense in some cases because you can just drop it on an existing mobo,but Zen 4 will fight Raptor Lake with this situation reversed.
@@naamadossantossilva4736 if AMD wants people to switch from Intel and not just get the people with AM4 motherboards already they need to lower prices. I am still happy with my 9700K but I am really interested to see who wins the next generation and if it will be worth upgrading.
I think zen 4 will be insanely expensive
At least they still give support to such an old motherboard platform, rather than forcing you to upgrade every generation or two. And, most Zen 3 products are still very price competitive, though the 5600 is basically the only CPU most gamers should be considering on the AMD side, with current pricing. It's with heavily threaded tasks where the 5700X, 5900X, and 5950X all still offer great value vs. intel (though I find it hard to imagine someone who needs heavily threaded performance, but can't justify the price of the 5900X over the 5700X).
Most of the gamers buying 8+ core cpus for gaming are wasting their money imo. I mean, for example, anybody who bought a 3700X for gaming when it first came out, could have bought a 3600 and then upgraded to the 5600 for a lower overall net cost (after selling the 3600), and ended up with a CPU which is clearly superior to the 3700X for gaming as well.
@@wertywerrtyson5529 With your 9700K, you have to stick with your current motherboard. Once you try to get a new Intel CPU, you have to get a new motherboard. That’s how Intel rips you off.
You make such a big deal out of that 40$ difference between the 5500 and the i3, but that's completely negated by the cost of intel's motherboards compared to AMD's.
$140 bucks on sale 5500 totally worth it for low cost daily build
Hi GN. Thanks for always providing good meal time videos. That is all.
(Unfortunately, the time spent waiting to get my food was longer than this video so I actually ended up being unable to watch it while eating, but I digress)
in germany we get the 5500 for 163€ meanwhile the 12100F costs 93€, that is a BIG difference and i would for the intel cpu,
thats really disappointing Amd!
5500 is now down to 129 Euros. I wait until the 5600 goes down to 159.. Intel Boards costs too much to realy Take Advantage over the price. Also ryzen 7 is around the Corner.
Very good review! I got this CPU recently, went from a Ryzen 5 3400g to Ryzen 5 5500, and the best part that justified this was the price I got it for on the 2nd hand market which was $65 over here (Vietnam)
Overall I am satisfied
How is the performance boost? I also live in Vietnam and just bought a 5500 to replace my 3200g.
So 10 months later, AMD owns much of the Amazon top 20 best selling CPUs (Amazon's top 50 best selling CPUs), the 5500 is in the top 20 and has at times been in the top 10.
The Intel 12100(insert letter) has two entries in the top 50, at the 20 spot and one at the 50 spot, at 30% off so they can actually SELL it.
So "TOO LITTLE TOO LATE, AMD's GREED"
That sure didn't stand up to the test of time.
Oh yeah I forget RUclips reviewers think everything is about that ONE DAY they do the review forgetting that companies adjust as they see fit. They also forget that buyers buy over years, not days.
Zen 3 came out in late 2020. Right now it's the best selling line of CPUs on the market and has been for months, 2.5 years AFTER it launched. At Amazon for instance Zen 3 has OWNED the top 20 spots. The specific skus have fluctuated, but the AMD APUs the 5600G and 5700G have often been in the top 10 and sometime both products are in the top 5 spots. The domination is something like 60 - 65% of the top 20 best selling spots. JUST Zen 3, owning most of the top 20 best selling CPUs at Amazon.
Really, months after AMD has launched a new gen and Intel has launched 12th and 13th gen, Zen 3 outsells all of them.
To whoever may come along in the future, when a reviewer makes a statement like "too little too late", they don't know WTF they're talking about AMD doesn't even plan on stopping the production of Zen 3 because it became their budget option and even though their profit margin is smaller per unit, their overall profit is still really good because of volume. Because I build systems for people I watch pricing and I look at this list all the time. It allows me to show people what others are buying in case they feel unsure about something. AMD APUs have been big sellers since Zen 2, so now going on 4 years Zen 2 and 3 are almost always in the top 10 with their APUs. For some people it's about the price of just the APU, but because Zen 3 APUs actually have good graphics processing and GPUs got really expensive in 2021, the 5600G and 5700G are always in the top 10, and usually both in the top 6.
well said
yep in my country both cpu have the same price but i do only casual gaming and im interested in other productivity related software, so it makes more sense to buy 5500 (their mobo are also cheaper), things change with time.
Right? Here we are in 2024 and I snagged a R5 5500 for like $80. Got a B550 board for $85 as well. This is a budget build that’s getting paired with a GTX 1070 for my wife. Meanwhile an i3 12100/13100/14100 still clocks in at $130 plus $95 for the cheapest B660/B760 board. In this day and age I feel like the 5500 isn’t that bad of a deal now. Especially for serious budget builds.
At this point, I'm surprised it's not an AM3 chip just to screw the customer even more
the ryzen 3 4100 might as well be just an fx-8370 in disguise
@@tyre1337 it’s not that bad, atleast it won’t suck back a ton of power and heat your whole home.
@@alexmills1329 I need the heat in winter. My FX was doing the job quite well
@@michakrzyzanowski8554 feels like summer although it's winter thanks to fx cpu
@@plekberd With global warming, it’s real bad.
It's funny to me how AMD's budget cpu have pcie 3, but their ultra budget gpu 6500xt requires gen 4 to be able to function properly
i know right, diversity hires are clearly at fault. bring back meritocracy!
"function properly" only in the loosest sense, of course, it's not like the 6500XT is particularly useful on a Gen 4 connection either.
That's because Navi 24 came _after_ Cezanne.
just not be poor, it's that simple
@@marcogenovesi8570 no, buy nvidia that has x16 pcie lanes
I appreciate you spelling out the important bits right at the beginning so much, I just drop a like, mute the video and let it run through the end for the algorithm, and here's a comment telling AMD to stop wasting silicon.
Even if this budget chip was good enough to justify it being in the market now, with what AMD did with the 3100 and 3300x makes me question if these chips will be in stock to the point of being relevant, when it already isn't because of cost v Performance
For now, where i live 5500 cost 130$ i3 12100f 128$, 5600 at 195$. So current prices makes 5500 really good value cpu for now. All it needs was solid price.
What really boggles my mind is that AMD's current budget GPU is the RX 6500XT, which loses quite a bit of performance at gen 3, meanwhile their budget CPUs are all gen 3.
That is not AMD curren budget GPU, it is the current garbage GPU so.......
@@josephnorris4095 It's the budget-est current gen GPU that's out right now.
I decided to go from my 5600G APU build to a 12100f, and so far I've had absolutely zero complaints, this thing smokes price to performance. It's just stupid good. I've wondered if maybe going for a midgrade 5XXX would be the right move, but frankly this CPU performs perfectly fine. Can't believe it was only $120. (Running an RTX 3060 so while theoretically the 12100f is holding potential frames back, my GPU is going to be the bottleneck long before the CPU in most cases, even at 1440p. Maybe especially at 1440p? Idk how that works)
if i didnt already have 3 b450 motherboards sittin around from newegg nonreturnable bundles i would of jumped on the 12100f, i need a amd cpu that can do what intel does for 100 bucks
But, I don't get it, the 12100f don't have graphics, what you did, sold all your AMD setup parts and got the Intel plus an entry level/mid range GPU weren't GPUs super expensive right now?
I'm considering replacing my i5 3570 media server / 2nd PC with an AMD APU but maybe a 12th gen Intel with integrated graphics would be way better for such a task.
@@RetroTinkerer asus is actually about to drop their GPU prices 25%
@@RetroTinkerer I wanted to play Elden Ring and the APU build was gonna struggle big time, so I went with a budget CPU and picked up (eventually) an AMD RX 6600 for $450, but I was having driver issues on boot so I switched to a 3060 for 520 from Zotac and that's where I'm happily at now. So yeah, more expensive than I'd like, but 5600G versus RX 6600 or RTX 3060, completely incomparable performance. My APU build was Mini ITX with a slim form factor and it wasn't going to support a graphics card (and PCI-E lanes are limited on that chipset/CPU as well) so it all had to go.
I'd originally tried out a 6500XT ($230) with the 12100f, and it was mostly okay, but I really craved 1440p and that card lacks. You absolutely cannot use 6500XT with a 5600G CPU, your PCI-E lanes are completely borked and you dump like half your potential performance.
@@RetroTinkerer Depending on what the media server does, then it would be well served with either a Pentium G7400 or an i3-12100, yes.
I agree..I mean when they're launching 5000 series with 50$ markup, it feels very wrong..
Then not releasing Non X sku and not releasing Ryzen 3 5000 series...
I really think AMD think they're comfortable and they didn't need to release the product because of Intel 's weakness.
Alder Lake blew everyone's expectations out the water
@@GewelReal Yup. Even the new Pentium is quite impressive for a dual core.
AMDs Markup for the 6&8 core CPU’s was 100$.
But its still better value, because of board prices, a b660 is $140 and a b450 is $50. So $210 for the 5500 b450, and $270 ish for the 12100 b660
@@GewelReal Alder Lake is a later generation, and its not a clear win. Being somewhat better isn’t good enough, typical Intel
Rocket Lake was Ryzen 5000 competition, it was on the back of 11th Gen failure, which made Alder Lakes win Look more substantial than it really is, even at AMD’s low end predictions ZEN4 is going to be unmatched, except for productivity which will from now be hybrid dominated
I bought an R5 3600 in late 2019 for 180 Euros (it's about the same amount in USD), with an Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite and 32 GB 3200 CL16 RAM, upgraded my GPU recently to an RX 6700XT. And the R5 was such a good purchase for that price and time, as it's still keeping up with the latest CPUs, delivering good and smooth fps with the new GPU. And a cheap in socket upgrade to a Zen3 =>8 Core in the future is still an option. But up to date I don't need that, mostly GPU limited at 1440p 80 to 100 fps. I love my little Ryzen 5
I quite like the R5 3600. This is my first ryzen build after using Intel 2014 to 2020. Never going back to Intel.
I remember when the 1600AF was availible here in germany for 85€ brand new with box cooler
And now they are releasing cpus that are twice as expensive and maybe a bit better in a few cases
Lmao
No, the 5500 is significantly better than the 1600AF because, after all, the 2600 was not all that much better than the 1600.
@@josephnorris4095 Relative to intel it isn't much better than the 1600AF was at the time. Intel now offers stronger and cheaper CPUs with Alder Lake yet AMD still charges more than they used to price to performance.
That was before massive money printing and yearly inflation of 50% :P Yes, and starting war with Russia did not help either :D
That was also before Corona Hit the market. 5500 is down to 129 euro today. I hope the 5600 Drops to 159...in a few days. Then i replace my 2600. You still get 80 Euros for the used 2600. 😁
At 4:19, I think it would be better and easier to understand if regular intervals are used for the CPU frequency (y axis), maybe at 100 or 200 mHz intervals
The i3-12100F is better than an overclocked i7-7700K @ 5ghz, and runs much cooler too. It is an unbelievable value and is probably the best budget CPU in years. The i7-7700K was the flagship consumer model 5 years ago and is now soundly beat by Intel's budget offerings.
You’d hope so 5 years is an eternity when it comes to tech
Actually that is awful, 5 years is a very long time.
@@bltzcstrnx Let me tell you about the i7-2600K and how it lasted 9 years as a viable gaming CPU
@@gippygames what's the GPU? If you're upgrading the GPU every two year, specially with high-end models. The CPU would be bottlenecked soon, usually on a 3 to one basis. This means 1 CPU for 3 GPU upgrades. If you're keep using low-end GPUs then of course the CPU held on.
@@gippygames only because intel was lulling for many years making shit products. Difference between 4770k and 7700k was miniscule. Fuck intel instead of innovating they did nothing for many years
I liked that you summarized the results at the beginning (like an an abstract in a science paper). Keep it up, this helps to digest the material.
Seems like AMD is the new Intel, they've been leading for a few years and now they are catching up again.
Nope their zen architecture is again becoming a Bulldozer architecture
@@Amorousstake4 Emmh... what about no?!
@@Amorousstake4 What? They haven't been accused of false advertising with the Zen architecture so far unlike with Bulldozer that led to a false advertising lawsuit.
@@Amorousstake4 fuking intel fanboy detected, zen 4 DESTROID INTEL
Would like to make an honourable mention for the i5 11400 here, 6 core 12 thread with pcie 4 outperforming in most cases the 5500 and the new i3, with it, especially the f version being much cheaper
z590 boards being overpriced is largely going to ruin that value. Realistically that platform is a step down from B550 but intel still wanted premium price for it. The vastly better z690 is only $1 more from intel than it's older chipset, and still better h670 will be less expensive.
@@s1mph0ny a b560 board for the 11400 is more than enough
@@s1mph0ny
Awww i need to know about the 5700x! Really looking forward to your take on it. Especially the 1% fps vs the 3700x at 1440p to be very specific..
That is oddly specific. Why that metric? We're working on that review, though!
The 5800x has been out for years. It’s that minus half a percent or so.
For me it's simple, at 1140p you already can be GPU bond. As long as you have a newer 8-threads or a decent 12, you'll be fine.
@@GamersNexus probably has a 3700x and plays at 1440p and wants to know if its worth an upgrade if I had to guess.
@@lamikal2515 That isn't how that works
Thanks, Steve!
It could be a good budget option if it drops down to 130€ quickly. But yeah, too little too late.
I hope AMD will learn and will want to compete with Zen 4 in all segments from the start.
for 100$ it's the best budget value cpu atm. even with the pci 3.0, if you are using a x16 card you won't notice the difference
I'm a fan of the i3-12100F but in my country, and a lot of other Asian countries, supply and pricing is ridiculous. Definitely not like the Western RUclipsr situation. The Ryzen 5 5500 is flawed but when you're in a country where it costs 100-120 USD, the Ryzen 5 5600 costs 170-180 USD and Intel supply and prices change randomly everyday, it's definitely less clear cut. Especially when you consider the intel compatible motherboard prices here. I guess that's the reason why locally, where 1080p gaming is the only goal, it's a very popular CPU.
price dropped to 89 now this is a steal!
Yoo the exact video I was waiting for!thanks!🔥
These are fun to watch all the way through, simply because the comments about the worthlessness of the R5 5500 as each benchmark is presented allows for gales of laughter. This makes all of your "wasted" efforts on the time spent for this product provide value for the viewers!
got r5-5500 + asus b550m mb + 16gb ddr3200 for us$200 on 2022-12-26, very happy with the performance. playing AAA games from 5 years ago, no issues.
Little bit update, oc my 5500 to 4.5ghz with voltage at 1.275v, amd original cooler manage to keep the temperature under 85c. Best $80 I spend on PC parts ever, period!
I read somewhere saying 5500 & 5600g has a better memory control unit than 5600(x). I gave it a try. Now, my ddr4-3200 ram running at ddr4-4000 with default voltage steady. Thank you for the great product, AMD.
All these new chips seem to be mainly aimed at AM4 owners - no motherboard costs because of a drop in upgrade.
Agreed -- but this one is low-end enough that it's a little confusing what person would upgrade to it. Maybe owners of a ... 1500X? 1600?
@@GamersNexus I own a 1600, but I wouldn't bother to upgrade to this when the 5600 seems more worthwhile for the price. Extra cache seems worth the higher price of the 5600.
@@GamersNexus And is kinda pointless considering how cheap used to be 1600af back then.
@@GamersNexus Yup. Mostly low end Zen and may be Zen+ owners.
@@GamersNexus There are some poor souls that has A12-9800, you know, the Steamroller stuff from 2016, AM4 predates even Ryzen.
Perfect video title.
Hopefully Intel GPUs in the near future can manage to disrupt the GPU market and disrupt that disaster.
These are selling for $95 usd now.. probably some value in them now.
True. I'm looking at these, as well as used 3600x chips. I've seen those for even lower, like 60-70 bucks.
What about motherboard price for intel? :))
I had a B450 aorus board in a rig running games on a R3 2200g chip. I wanted to upgrade it to r5 chip cheap. I got a r5 5500 and did the job. It is running great doing what I want it to. The bios upgrade was the only thing I was worrying about as it had to be done in steps, going from an F4 to F62 on the gigabyte board. This is my backup unit and will be used by my niece to play games.
I did the same r3 2200g to R5 5500 on b320m
Thanks for a great review. Some of the differences between the 5500 and the other SKUs could be easily overlooked if not for reviews like these.
Can't say I'm sad to see these companies getting burnt after purposely withholding their budget products to ride the wave of demand.
I mean, this is kind of AMD's strategy. The advantage to using the MCM approach was that they could streamline all of their chip design from servers to consumer-grade CPUs using a single architecture. You're getting CCDs that would otherwise be in a Epyc part in somebody's datacenter. Considering how good TSMC's yeilds on 7nm have been, I doubt there are many CCDs that have more than two bad cores. While it would be nice to have a 4C/8T part that's basically a 50% disabled Zen3 CCD--I can't imagine they get too many defects that bad. I think that they just don't have the inventory to support such a low binned part, and that would require them designing a different die for a "Zen 3 budget" model. With the low margins on budget-friendly parts, I suspect it wasn't worth their time to implement.
Hitting the nail in the head. I wonder if designing a 4 core chiplet destined for the budget CPUs is such bad business for AMD not to have done it already. They could easily mix and match them for making 4, 6 and 8 core CPUs. This would also free loads of the standard 8 core chiplets for the 12, 16 and bigger SKUs
@@thelegendaryklobb2879 considering the "real money" is in Epyc/datacenter I doubt this would be viable. They're really trying to claw up as much of the datacenter market as they can while Intel is still lying on their back like a distressed turlte. (Alder Lake caught them up on the consumer market but AMD still has a decisive edge with Epyc). The real bottleneck here is how many wafers they can get from TSMC. They're prioritizing their silicon with Epyc and the semicustom market. Making a 4-core chiplet as you suggest would be useless for Epyc and not be worth the wasted wafers. AMD would much rather use those wafers for parts that can be used for either high-margin consumer parts or for servers. It's a business decision that hurts consumers and helps stockholders, but considering how dead AMD looked back in 2014, I don't blame their C-suite for pushing in this direction. Epyc is what will keep AMD in business for the next 10 years, not budget-friendly consumer parts. They're (somewhat happily) ceding that ground to Intel. This is the kind of decision you make when your company is still on the comeback: "Hey, we don't have the fabs anymore--we can't buy unlimited wafers, what are we going to have TSMC print for us? We know our servers make bank, let's just double-down on that and release what we can to consumers so we can compete in that market too... Meanwhile let's buy up some other silicon companies so we can leverage better buying power with the fabs for the future generations."
@@thelegendaryklobb2879 hopefully they are in a better position with all the cash they made from Zen 3 and have given thought to what you said ahead of Zen 4. Hopefully, we shall have to see...
Well considering its a 5600g with the GPU disabled.
No its not MCM
@@WayStedYou well yeah, it's what they're shoving down are throats because the yeilds on the 8-core CCDs has been so good. If they had to disable more cores then they would have more competitive offerings down the stack. Instead their approach and TSMC's yeilds have been so good--you get this crap.
5500 was at a really good price during the holidays at just $99 cad. almost unheard of in a modern cpu price at retail
$99 for a $75 cpu is NOT a good price
Thanks for covering these new CPUs :)
AMD stopped caring for the budget segment. Really crazy to think when Intel has the best value proposition in the lower end.
Did not stop caring, simply did not have the capacity to even touch it, at least until now.
@@josephnorris4095 AMD LOVE price gouging ,, a disgrace
@@tilapiadave3234 these are still relatively low-margin products. If they don't sell well, the prices will come down soon enough. The fact that AMD supported their AM4 platform for so long has still made the AM4 platform the better value for consumers in the long run. switching to Intel just to get a 12100F would still end up being a worse value. Is the 5500 a great value product? No, but is it that bad? Also no. The 6500 XT, on the other hand, now THAT'S a disgrace. If they had just marketed it honestly, I wouldn't have minded so much, but I fear for all of the people who bought one without knowing that they won't get full functionality out of it on their PCI-e 3.0 motherboards.
@@syncmonism AMD is a DEAD finished DEAD platform. Time to move on , technology moves forward. I have several B450m mobo's sitting on my shelf waiting WAITING for a reasonably priced CPU to use in them ,,,,, 5600 non x was my hope but that is also over-priced.
Yep the 6500xt is BAD ,,, but if it drops enough in price it will make a low end gaming system with the 11400f ( US$140) and B560 ( US$ 65) I have sitting on the shelf ,, lucky I have a lot of shelving :)
I have got this 5500 for 88€ brand new yesterday, for the price i can’t complain, it was a huge upgrade to a Ryzen 7 2700 & rtx 2060. (All parts at stock clocks/power).
Great review guys, I cant find a 12100 in stock unfortunately, neither a 4600g, isn't the R5 5500 the same as a 5600g but without the Igpu? Have you guys planned on making a super tuned 4600g/5600g/5700g video with overclocking?
12400F is what you are looking for if you cant find a 12100 in stock
For budget build you always want to go for intel since amd is so expensive these days, and Im speaking from the perspective of someone owning an AMD CPU.
@Gaming ZONE GAZO the 5600G has lesser cache (16 MB) but higher base and turbo clock (3.9/4.4 GHz), so it's not the same.
@@EmileysSmile Both of them have 16gb of cache, the 5600g has slightly a higher clock but as seen on the review from yesterday for the 5600 comparing it to the 5600x this translates to a 2% difference, making them essentially equal in performance but with the igpu difference
@@josef.bardales125 yeah my bad, was reffering to the video which seems to count L2+L3 Cache.
Then the 5500 might be slightly less but almost the same as the 5600G.
12100F will be in stock after June or at end of May after the production eases (according to amazon listings)
The R5 5500 Cpu is now just USD$99 at Newegg! Is that a good deal?
Oh hey look at that! The R5 5500 sits perfectly on that bike, it looks like they're made for each other!
The only thing I can think if maybe one ended up with a really cheap (less than $50) A520 based board and already had either storage or RAM on hand and wanted the something that would slot in at the barest minimum. . . even getting a new GPU ~$210 for GTX 1650 or 6500XT (spit) would keep the total system price (less peripherals, OS) under $500 at around $475. Having to supply both memory and storage maybe $510-520. Considering the way prices have been, the idea of being able to build a desktop for -less than- close to $500 with new parts (albeit compromised) is still worth something. EDIT: Case + PSU, to be sure. I forgot. My garage is somewhat full of them. My most recent acquisitions were an EVGA 500 BA and a CoolerMaster Q300 for $60 for one of the kid's builds.
Otherwise, just like the 3600 before, the 5600 is the darling of the line-up and current basis for my next dev/entertainment PC
Yes, it's for users like me who already have an old B350m board and wants to upgrade R5 1400...still, $159 is too much. I'll upgrade once I find a sub$100 chip, either 3600, or 5500.
@@ericp1480 Agreed. Be quite the race: "New" 3600 at the river company is currently $180.
Considering, however, Micro Center (Duluth, GA) has 5600 for $200, one could skip a pizza and a couple coffees and grab the 5600. In case at a later date a B550 or X570 falls in one's lap-- which is exactly where I am right now (but ITX only-- anything decent is well past $200, probably not going to change).
Ever since they slapped $50 price hike on their 5000 series I knew they got complacent.
8:35 "The r5 5500 should have come out over a year ago"
It wasn't done back then. The 5500 is based on the cesanne APUs like the 5600g, not the Matisse architecture, like the 5600x is. the 5000 apus are not on the market for a full year yet. Although of course you are right with blaming AMD for not offering a budget cpu for more than a year.
This was 6 months ago .. Before BIOS optimisations were made .. Now the R5 5500 runs pretty much like a 5600. And it is cheaper now too.
Im on b550 mobo. Do i need to update bios for r5 5500? Seems to be working normally for now. Maybe its still holding some power. I just want it To work at max potentiel. Thanks
If there's a new version for your bios you should install it.
I personnally installed the last bios on my mobo right after building my new PC .. remember that bios is part of your system's fundation .. it's important ..
@@michelrichert9052 thanks mate 😉
well i bought ryzen 5500 with 76.31 usd, and the Recommended Customer Price of 12100f is $107.00 - $117.00, so .. 12100f is 4cores 8thread while 5500 is 6cores 12thread, for gamming, on today standard u better got at least 6 cores cpu, yes the single thread rating of 12100f is higher than 5500 for 12 percent, but on the other hand the multi-thread rating of 5500 is higher than 12100f for 26.8%! according to passmark. 5500 is among the top of the list of c/p value for cpus still selling on the market. the problem of pcie gen 3 is not really a problem for budget gammers, u dont expect a budget build including some kind of top tier gpu which will overload the pcie gen 3. plus users of am4 amd can always upgrade to other cpu which utilize pcie gen 4 on the same motherboard if they need whatever 5000 series is the end of am4.
liked the review, but from personal experience there are a couple of advantages you missed mentioning . im not saying the r5 is better, but it offers a better deal then you made it to be.
main thing is the core count. sure for gaming benchmarks its worse, but when you have 4 cores and you try to game with your day to day pc, the performance gets much worst. and the biggest problem is the 1% fps. with the i3 you will probebly find yourself needing to close stuff before starting a game just to get decent performance with no fps drops.
second thing is the price; im not from america so it might be different, but you also need to take into account that the more expensive motherboard for similar budget features fill the price gap.
Yup. It's just not that bad. It's 10% less performance for 20% less money when compared to the 5600... But that one is actually better value?
Intel's 12th gen just threw a wrench into AMD's releases, and to be honest, that's kinda great. Competition will push AMD and that's awesome for the customer.
However, you do need to ask yourself... Would this review have been so negative were the 12100 not in the mix? I think not.
in my country (indonesia) R5 5500 has the same price with 12100f, which made it a very good option for entry level gaming build, and with 6/12 cores you can do some rendering too
Rill kah?
Gak pernah liat aku r5500
@@riskyadi36 ada di tokped, 1,6an harganya
I'm from South East Asia too and the Ryzen 5 5500 is a decent pick in the Philippines. Currently at 100-120 USD vs the Ryzen 5 5600 at 170-180 USD. All while Intel stock is kinda weird and not consistent. Your choice of CPU really just depends on your region and whether your goal is simply 1080p gaming.
@@CursedDepartmentEastOffice yeah brother, 1080p gaming is good enough for most of us, because the monitor here is quite expensive
@@alvinaditya1610 yeah monitor so fckng expensive,,,, bahkan gue pernah mikir buat gaming di tv karna tv kami bagus,,,, tapi itulah agak aneh nantinya,,,,but after a while and safe some money i got AOC 24g2z,, thats a nice monitor and Im happy for it
I think AMD doesn’t expect anyone to buy this CPU, it’s just propping up super flawed chips instead of becoming straight e-waste. They probably know something that we don’t such as Intel might be selling the i3 chip at a loss or break even
Yeah, this just looks like a bottom-bin shoveling operation. I don't know any other reason they'd bother to release something like this.
it's a good thing that they're making use of the chips with defects instead of straight throwing them out. But then you'd think they'd at least make them a lot cheaper than what they're currently asking for ($100 or less would be great, think of the 1600AF a few years back)
@@edwardliu5453 I see your point, I think they’re going for a negative halo product whatever they call that in marketing where they drive the consumers to the desired product. Which is likely where they have the largest margin.
not all roses with the 12100/F. I bought one recently and surprised that BCLK setting is not available. Worse of all, I was so disappointed they locked down the voltage setting. That is like buying a cheap PC where nothing can be changed in the bios but the 12100 is like an i5 or even i7 of years ago. It has a huge IHS and cooler, and pricey motherboards.
I haven't researched the updated prices yet (rather prices around 1.5 months ago for the motherboards), but this seems to be ignoring the motherboard price difference? Because when I last checked the Intel motherboards were a very significant chunk more expensive. Like 50$ or something IIRC. If the stores are selling the CPUs at a certain price difference and motherboards at another price difference, the face that AMD is "behind" might be totally irrelevant.
this is the LOW END where the price difference between H610 and A520 are minimal at best ($10 - $20). Intel still beats AMD at this segment because of PCIE 4.0.
The 5500 is now 95 USD in my neck of the woods, up here in Canada. That is one sweet deal, IMO...and I'm snagging one later today.
I could imagine amd found some piles of cpus that didn't fit the binning shemes and just decided to release them as new part number before the end of zen3.
So if they don't have much inventory of those, the unattractive price doesn't matter much.
Silmilar to the intel 11900k situation.
Even if it’s a okay purchase for a 2600X owner, like me. I’m glad reviews are bashing it’s price point. AMD needs to drop it to 119 before I buy it. GPU prices have been so stupid the past few years that I could downgrade to a 1400 and still be bottlenecked by my RX580.
Ok so my options are R5 5500 107 USD / R5 5600 158 USD / i3-12100F 133 USD. What is the best option? For me is still seems 5500 based on some benchmarking scores I find on the internet.
Just ordered a 5500 to upgrade my home server for $100USD and included company of heroes 3 coupon which is worth $70USD at this point in time. I think it's a pretty solid deal getting a new*ish 4.2ghz 12 thread CPU for $30 lol. Just depends on what you're buying it for and if you can find a sale.
The only thing that redeems the 5500 right now is that at MY local shops you can get a Ryzen 5 5500 for 25% less than a Ryzen 5 3600/5600(3600 is actually $10CAD more than the 5600), and according to your benchmarks it still beats it. So if you're wanting lower than 5600 and still AMD it can still make some sense, but mainly only for those who are already bought into the AMD platform.
Yeah I agree, I think Gamers Nexus slightly missed the point here, the chip still makes a sense as a cheap upgrade for an old 300/400 motherboard. for people on low end 2nd/1st gen ryzen. and the price is still competitive with the i3 12100f if you consider motherboard price as well.
@@hugoinnes8540 It's actually cheaper than the 12100f by a good $70 CAD($55USD) even with the cheapest Intel motherboard that I can find. So probably more like $85-100CAD or 68-80USD.
That's before we get into the fact that the 12100F just isn't even in stock around me, in a major city.
Nice and clean video, thanks a lot!
Good God every time I come to one of these comment sections it's a fucking echo chamber of stupidity. There is nothing wrong with this chip. I've researched it and looked at it's performance relative to other chips and it's an amazing deal in my opinion. 6 cores and 12 threads, better performance than any of the 3000 series Ryzen 5's, slightly worse performance than the other 5000 series, but better than Intel 11th gen in many situations while almost meeting them in gaming. 12th Gen Intel is way more money right now and you have to shell out even more for some ddr5. Sure, no PCIE GEN 4 support which is annoying and frankly stupid on amd's part, but they're only hurting themselves by doing it (I'm going to buy an Nvidia card now), so it doesn't have anything to do with greed. If you think anyone buying this is going to take advantage of PCIE GEN 4 speeds with anything other than an rx6000 series graphics card, you're incredibly dumb. Most people won't even notice the speed difference with anything else. The thing costs like 130 dollars right now, which is an insanely good deal. And besides, this is their competition for i3's. It's got more cores than an i3 so I'm not sure why anyone is complaining. Sure, it doesn't have as good of a future upgrade path as Intel, but that's an issue with the socket, not the CPU. I don't really see how AMD is suddenly a terrible company. Seems like you idiots have nothing better to do then claim companies are bad and come up with shit to try to prove that point. Your videos never age well. You were wrong about the 6500xt and you're wrong about this. Everyone was making fun of the decisions they made with it until it was the only fucking GPU available at MSRP or cheaper and not out of stock.
When it comes to budget PC components reviews nothing beats third world RUclips channels. The always show all the pro and cons FROM the consumer perspective
Budget gaming channels often have more realistic views on low-mid range parts. LowSpecGamer when he was still active occasionally critiqued LinusTechTips for their budget build takes for example. RandomGaminginHD also made a video on the Ryzen 5 4500 noting that it's flawed but underrated.
11:18 Yup! Always wondered about the super high res GN logo.
It is mind blowing that 5500 has a higher boost frequency than a previous gen 3600 and still manages to lose to it on some benchmarks.
Frequency doesn't matters, now architecture nm also doesn't ( 10nm i3 12100F beats out 7nm R5 5500 with less energy consumption and heat)
Because it has no cache.
@@WayStedYou the i3 12100 has even lesser amount
I honestly think the best way to sum up this processor is that, compared to the competition, it simply just falls flat 15:29