Budget CPU Battle Royale: Intel i3-13100F CPU Review & Benchmarks
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2024
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In this review & benchmark of the Intel Core i3-13100F CPU, we're testing other budget CPUs like the AMD Ryzen 5 5500, the Intel i3-12100F, the AMD R5 5600 (which was already in the first review via proxy 5600X), and older CPUs. Older parts include the R5 2600, R7 1700, and more. The review takes into consideration new condensed metrics for GN, like frames per dollar ("value") and relative performance scaling in a truncated chart. All prices in discussion were accurate at time of writing. Any changes from what was stated are recent or are via different retailers than cited. The FPS Per Dollar chart is +/-$5, as you can basically choose one retailer over another to get that difference.
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - Intel i3-13100F vs. 12100F, R5 5500, R5 5600
02:02 - Two Primary Complaints
04:24 - The Changes We Made
06:45 - Important Information Going Forward
08:53 - When We Will vs. Won't Change Opinions
10:08 - FPS Per Dollar Issues & Advantages
13:15 - The FPS Per Dollar Chart
15:25 - The 12100F & 5600 Are Key Choices
17:13 - But "Only $40" Isn't "Only"
18:05 - Important: Relative Performance by Percentages
20:32 - Rainbow Six Siege Gaming Benchmarks
21:28 - Why We're Going to Remove CPUs Again
22:36 - 4090 Rainbow Six Siege (Big Gain on the 5600 Here)
23:12 - CSGO CPU Benchmarks
24:08 - CSGO 1440p Benchmarks
24:16 - FFXIV CPU Benchmarks (Big Gain on the 12100F Here)
24:53 - Tomb Raider CPU Benchmarks
25:24 - Far Cry 6 CPU Benchmarks (Another 12100F Strength)
26:10 - F1 2022 CPU Benchmarks (3090 Ti & 4090)
27:18 - Power Consumption Benchmarks
27:40 - Performance Per Watt Efficiency
28:18 - Blender Render Benchmarks (AMD 5600 Strength)
29:05 - Chromium Code Compile Benchmarks
29:28 - Compression & Decompression Benchmarks
30:03 - Adobe Premiere & Photoshop
30:43 - How Things Work Here
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Thanks for the updated version. Any chance Davinci Resolve will show on the charts soon?
It has a massive market share
add a quick few game test with RX5600XT or RX6600 as a real world test where budget gpus are paired with these
psst 5600 is 120 bucks free delivery from china.
ps AM4 boards are generally a bit cheaper than comparable lga1700 boards. or a bit better for the same money. + AM4 CPUs eat less power = go easier on VRMs and have better upgrade path if you choose from really cheap boards. practically anything (e.g. b450m s2h) can run 5800X3D. but to run 13600k you need a way pricier board than b450m s2h. 5800X3D and 13600k are comparable in gaming.
This "opps we screw and had to reupload it up but we were right anyway and wont change our opinion" is really what you want to tell to your audience? this is by far your most confusing and apologetic review ever. And your graphs are utterly confusing, seems like you just twisted the graph to prove your point, wth are those Performance graph dude?
@@blacksama_ 5500 sucks as a gaming CPU. but 5600 exist and costs only 120 bucks. so 5500 is irrelevant anyway and should be ignored. just like 12100(f) and 13100(f) should be ignored. just get a 5600 from china, MSI B550M PRO or ASUS TUF GAMING B550M-PLUS depending on your budget and be happy. or even GIGABYTE B450M S2H. or MSI A520M PRO if its noticable cheaper for you.
Just got done going through comments and scrubbing a bunch of the spambots... remember that they're getting tricky! They copy/paste comments from actual users, somehow insta bot-upvote themselves, and then hope you'll click on the profile picture so they can phish you. The profiles are all of a very obvious type. Downvote or report them if you feel like contributing, but we'll keep nuking them for now!
Thanks Steve, now back to you Steve.
I generally look through the comments and report them as spam, they are ridiculously obvious and it doesn't take long to do. Have to wonder if it achieves anything with youtube though...
How can it phish us by just clicking on a YT profile?
@@rickysargulesh1053 They always have links in their profile that are either obviously malicious or are a redirect from a legit-looking site to a malicious site in an attempt to get your personal information. Not 100% sure how it works, but pretty sure it goes something like that.
thank you for being one of the very few RUclipsrs i watch that actually helps get rid of these
Man, I wish the fight for budget GPUs (remember when those existed?) was as interesting as it is for CPUs nowadays.
100% agreed! GPUs need to get a similar shakeup to CPUs!
RTX 4050: 5% more performance than the 3050 but for 20% more in cost.
@@GamersNexus (pokes Intel) Come on, do something!
Yeah. The last good value GPU, the 5700XT, launched in 2019. Since then it's been nothing but turd after turd.
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due to the number of replies I have gotten, I wish to clarify things. I am talking about what AMD/nvidia have been trying to sell their cards for. Excluding companies trying to sell off the last of their stock before new cards come in, or fake MSRPs, everything after the 5700XT has been crap. The 5700XT was good on day one and remained good until crypto went nuts long after launch. Cards after the 5700XT have been worse value or in one or two best case scenarios were able to at least match the 5700XT. But matching your old generation isn't an improvement, it's pointless and a waste of time.
So yes, you can find a better card than the 5700XT as the last of the 6600s are trying to be sold off before they're replaced by the 7600 or 7500, but it's the blip at the end of the product's life and not what it was for about a year after launch.
What is a budget GPU?
One major problem with price per FPS is that prices are always changing.
True. The price of the 5700x went down about a month after I got it lol
It would be ideal to see the price they are using for the FPS per dollar comparison.
Yeah, this is why Hardware Unboxed has to do a monthly price/performance investigation and video...
@@ArtisChronicles - Hate when that happens... But then, when you buy something, it better be worth the monetary investment to you, so that you can't complain. - Still, if you might be on a tighter budget (as I often am), it must sting. So I really have to jump on like sales or price-drops, which I did with the 5600 and the promotional "Uncharted 4" key. - That's a good way of throwing in an incentive and adding some value, besides that the price was good for the CPU alone anyway.
it still provides valuable context. you know if things got cheaper then so did your cost per frame. its not rocket science.
class act to take community feedback, adding more cpus to the chart for comparison, and redoing the video with new testing done. cant imagine the work that required. this is why you guys are awesome.
Thanks, uh, "pooplord." It means a lot that a Lord of your demeanor says something so kind!
The pumper truck challenges your claim of lord.
ALL HAIL POOPLORD
@@BigDonkMongo Hear hear 🍻
@@GamersNexus Feels like the internet of old
I agree with the fps/$ reservations because there are just so many ways people buy CPUs:
- drop in upgrades
- platform upgrades
- new builds
For all of these, and especially for a huge amount of varied price tiers in the latter two, the actual cost and fps increase by changing CPUs is hugely different, and it's difficult to show this in one or even 2 or 3 charts
Great input & agreed on these points! We'll keep tuning/tweaking it! Thanks for commenting. Good thoughts.
Definitely good points, especially since it is - effectively - theoretical. What GPU you get & what resolution you game at can have a MASSIVE impact on your personal, real-life FPS per dollar rating. When, like in this video, you're looking at budget options, you aren't going to see real-life FPS increase per dollar on a matching lower end GPU compared to something like the 3090Ti they use in their chart.
You can get all kinds of differing bottlenecks between different hardware combinations & resolutions. For example, I upgraded from a 6700k to a 5600x the same time I upgraded my GPU to an RTX 3060Ti. The 5600X would have a meaningful FPS impact on that GPU when gaming at 1080p to help justify its value, whereas at 1440p and up the bottleneck shifts pretty heavily to GPU so would be comparably poorer. And even RAM rank, speed, etc can impact the outcome. Feels like FPS/$ charts are simply too broad & theoretical to have much applicable value.
Exactly. The graph basically compares how these CPUs today (as in on this very one day) on the US market do as a drop-in upgrade for people who play those 7 games.
If you need to upgrade the whole platform, watch the video on the weekend, don't live in the US or play any other game, the graph is rather worthless for price comparisons.
I bought an i7-12700K for 330, it's a 2021 batch with AVX512. The MSI-Z690 Pro A DDR5 was cheap too, 150 bucks. Then i added two 1TB M.2 NVMe PCIe Gen 4 SSDs.
It's a music production and console emulation PC, no graphics card needed. It's air cooled (Deepcool Assassin 3, and Corsair 5000D Airfow). I bought an overkill power supply (wasn't cheap).
Waiting for a good GPU. 3080Ti is a good card but it uses way too much power and has a lot of noise, Radeon is even worse.
All of the 3D cache nonsense and overheating CPU problem can be solved if both AMD and Intel simply added quad channel memory support and focused on increasing IPC.
My alternative was an overpriced gaming laptop with overheating chips, less RAM and storage, slow processors. At least a 3060 mobile is an amazing 1080p beast at a low wattage, and the i5-13600K is a no no.
I almost choosed AM5 because i read somewhere that it would have quad channel memory support, then i remembered that AMD wants to sell gimmicky 3D cache chips, so that never happened.
Quad channel memory support is so overlooked. It's crazy the perfomance upgrade it did for Intel HEDT for games.
With DDR5, imagine the absurd perfomance increase vs dual channel DDR4.
We love these videos but aren't you supposed to be taking a break Steve? *uses concerned parent voice* Come on man take a rest you've been killing it and we want you around for many years.
Just one more video. I can stop anytime I want! I swear!
@@GamersNexus meanwhile I'm watching the video at 00:30
I woke at 04:00
@@GamersNexus please take the break! Maybe it's the overwork, but the cringy Eminem "Forgot about Cezanne" joke was a definite departure from the absolutely fantastic joke writing of the last few months of videos.
@@GamersNexus YOU BETTER❤
@@GamersNexus no, stop it. You and the staff need rest. I want full energy for 7000x3d chips
A large RUclips channel taking suggestions from the comment section and incorporating them into an updated video? Preposterous!
Seriously, this is one of the reasons I love you guys. The content here isn't backed up by pride or bias. It's cold, hard facts.
Ain't it what all monetarily incentivised channels should do to keep their core following intact and... following? This video made me want to help this channel monetarily, and I'm a humongous cheapskate.
yeah we should always listen to amd fangirls
I feel sorry that you're faced with an impossible task. There seems to be a lot of viewers who can't/are unwilling to look at a graph and analyze the results but simply look for the highest number. Your disclaimers about percentage charts were great, but many won't see the difference. Still, keep doing what you're doing because it's vital info for thousands.
You mean I have to READ and THINK!!!
Get out of here!!!
Thanks man. 🙏 amen for that statement. I don’t get why people are not able anymore to use their own freaking cpu aka brain to understand reviews
Feels like most of those guys are still on a budget cpu from mid 2000‘s
@@aqulex84
They need to overclock with adderall
Glad to see you guys back and with new charts
For budget/value cpu reviews, if feel like the included cooler should be part of the assessment as well. For example, does it even come with a cooler, and does the cooler let it run as intended. I know the coolers are generally the same ones they've had for years but it is part of what let's budget builders save a bit, especially as it affects a higher percentage of the build cost at the low end, as you said. Also i know your charts are done with aio which is sometimes unattainable for budget builders, but I understand it makes the chart more consistent. If there was a i3-12100/13100 vs 5500/5600 air cooled numbers chart, that would make a good additional data point to evaluate. Thanks for the review.
ANNDDD... THERE'S THE RE-ROLL
There's a deep well of jokes somewhere
Thank you Gamers Nexus for the revised video! Excellent work, great job.
I came for the unbiased review and in depth testing results, I stayed for the unexpected Dr Dre reference.
I had to mute the video for a second to be sure the music was indeed coming from it XDD
@@Blafard666 hahahaha
Honestly you've continually pushed your quality higher and higher, and I hope we all agree on that. Thank you for your dedication to clear and informational communication with an emphasis on contextual data.
watching this again, commenting for the algo and upvoting because you guys deserve it. The amount of work you put into this is insane
I love how you listened to the comments and revisited this review. That is one of many reasons why this channel is AWESOME! Thanks for what you do Steve! 👊
Steve and everyone involved,
I greatly appreciate your effort to not only show performance for what new things come into existence from our corporate overloads, but to really dig into these new products and find new/better ways to show how they compare to the competition. I know you won't but NEVER STOP FIGHTING FOR THE CONSUMER! As a Raleigh native who is just as enthusiastic to new tech as you, nothing will ever compare.
Thank you for the support! Keep that tech enthusiasm up! There's a lot to learn at all levels.
Respect for the integrity to pull the review and include the 5500.
Your knowledge, detailed testing, and integrity to the game makes your videos my favorite on YT.
The "How Things Work Here" was the best bit! Keep up the AMAZING work 😉
Love watching your content man , you're on another level , we promise we will keep support this amazing effort , keep it up 🌹
That 'Forgot About Dre' music at 5:10 when u explained u forgot about the 5500 was a nice touch..
All in all another quality GN vid. Keep it up!
you remain the hardest working tech tuber imo and the effort, care, and thoroughness you and your team put into GN content is amazing and appreciated. you are the standard for me when it comes to tech information and news.
Thank you for your kind words!
@@GamersNexus No Steve, thank you to you and the team for providing unbiased information that is both useful and relevant.
Yup love his videos, I wonder if he'd ever consider a website similar to how LTT is trying to do where GN can post more lengthy charts with more components. Like I was saying on the previous video I'd love to see older Intel CPUs included in these charts.
Because he has stuff like the 1700, 2600, 3600, etc. However no competing Intel CPUs from those eras such as the almighty 8700k, and others such as 9700k, 10600k, etc
The CPU market has never been this exciting since Ryzen was introduced. Great video as usual GN!
Now if only this could happen to the GPU market ...
@@shadow7037932 IF intel stays in the GPU market, and IF they can leech some nvidia engineers, they'll be amazing in 5-10 years
Yes after AMD finally ,, how many DECADES to catch up
Which is Ironic, given that AMD's abandoned the lower end CPUs for years now. The 3300 was the last one and that had really low availability before disappearing pretty quickly.
E2A: I might be a bit harsh with a second though. They did have the G series which was kinda down there, but only "kinda".
@@ChrispyNut The G series is still just rebranded mobile processors. 5600G is a rebranded 5600H, 5700G is a rebranded 5800H
GN and Dre, didn't see that one coming.
Meanwhile at NVIDIA:
what does budget mean
It means increase the available budget for Leather jackets to make "all of the leather jackets" viable.
A $499 4060, which is technically under $500 lmao
Great video, as always, surprisingly perhaps, it reminds me the most of when the CLC mounting topic was raised, the second video with that awesome thumbnail *looks it up to confirm language* "AAAAAH! IT'LL EXPLODE ANY SECOND!" where you addressed a vocal part of the community as a PSA to say 'Bro, chill a bit' which was really good.
Talking about feedback, I'd love to see some sort of "emulator benchmark", as in taking a set of stable games on RPCS3 and Xenia and using them as a way to compare performance between CPUs. All the cores and threads in the newer CPUs really shine when it comes to emulation of 7th gen consoles.
I'd like to see that. I know there's an RPCS3 CPU tier list written up on Reddit. The i3 12100 is rated decently on it, and rated high if you manage to get AVX-512 enabled. I haven't found much for Xenia yet but it honestly runs even better for me for the 2 games I tested - when it works. Just that its compatibility and stability is not nearly at the stages of RPCS3.
They could add the dolphin 5.0 benchmark, anandtech has included it for years, although having several emulator would be pretty nice.
@@Woodzta Xenia is less CPU intensive because the Xbox 360's CPU is more straightforward.
It's a 3 core PowerPC CPU with SMT. That's it. The main difficulty here is the L4 cache!, stronger GPU and unified RAM+VRAM.
The PS3's CPU has 1 PowerPC core and 8 128-bit co-processors with own cache and insane-for-the-time throughput.
Look up the schematic on Wikipedia ("Cell broadband engine"), it's infamous for being very hard to develop for, let alone emulate it
Gamers Nexus killing it with the hard work yet again
Back at it again bringing the most useful review:) Thanks Steve
Speaking of being around here for a bit, I think the first video I watched of yours was the GTX 960 4GB vs 2 GB way back when it came out. To see not just the set change so much but the quality of content come so far is a testament to you and your team's hard work. Keep it up.
Loved the Dre reference! Thanks so much for adding the 12100F, I really wanted to see this!
The 12100F was already there! haha
@@GamersNexus That's the joke :)
Properly belly-laughing at the sudden "Forgot About" homage, well played GN.
i think that you guys are showing what a class act you are here. you have strong opinions, but you do keep yourselves grounded. the first video i saw of gn, i was very critical about in the comments (and i may have been drinking), but since i have become a big fan of the channel, and really appreciate your content. keep up the awesome work!
Well, to be honest, GN has not been this humble forever. I have given some critic also in the times gone bye. For a reason I think. But they've improved all the time.
Awesome work. Inclusion of a test done on budget/mainstream CPU&GPU combo would be epic.
Nice job as always. This must have been a lot of extra work, but it served as a good reminder of your testing philosophies and methods. Well done, Steve and team.
Love the new charts. Especially the FPS/$. Puts thing in a better perspective for gaming.
Thank you for the commentary on fps per dollar. A lot of reviewers have been using that metric lately but without the disclaimer about their questionable utility. (Plus a lot of them call it "dollars per frame" which is just factually an incorrect term for the metric since it removes the time component of fps).
Thanks Steve, I think it is good to do these round-up comparisons each generation: one for absolute budget build CPU (like this video), one for best value mainstream CPU, and one for the absolute best CPU. Thanks for all the work you guys do - now take a break for a week before the Ryzen 7000 X3D review samples come in!
Great, now I've got 'so you forgot about dre' going round and round in my head.
Great job, Steve!
This was great! I never shop in budget class, but I still enjoy watching the charts...It's amazing how good a $100 CPU is these days! I appreciate all the hard work you and your team put into these videos, and I'm excited for more fan and PSU content also!
OMG you guys even addressed my "percentage is tricky without a baseline" comment! THANK YOU!
It's refreshing to see a candid explanation of what happened in the other video and take community comments into serious consideration.
I've had the 12100F for almost a year now, just upgraded to 1440p. Still does the business. Using G-sync at 165hz I'm perfectly happy... I'd have happily picked an AMD cpu but for the NZD$175 i paid there was simply no equivalent in terms of value/performance. It's great to see for those that are due an upgrade, there is another new budget option.
Good choice. Ive done a lot of builds with the 12100F. If you get the Mortar Max, you can hit 5.1ghz very easily. Worthy upgrade if you get a deal on it 😁. 12400F hits 5.3ghz with a 240mm aio with ease too.
@@PDXCustomPCS the asrock b660m pg riptide is cheaper and can do the job too..
@@kubotite9168 No it cant. Ove had all of them.
@@kubotite9168 It doesn't have a clock generator. FYI.
Re: removal of near-identical CPUs
I agree with the space+time savings by removing one, but I think you should default to the cheaper part, to represent the choice you actually recommend. That way discussions will be clearer and easier to understand. If you're going to say "maybe consider the 5600", then show the 5600, not the X.
Props for taking feedback and reuploading.
We normally do, but then people get mad that we aren't showing the 'best' part. There's no winning.
@@GamersNexus 🙃 of course, I should have expected as much. I still think going with the part you (at least have a better chance of) recommend(ing) is the way to go, though.
May as well get some extra utility if there's gonna be haters either way
I personally think the 5600x is better since the 5600 with pbo ties with the 5600x with pbo. but I wouldnt mind to much either way since its so close, but imo showing the 5600x is better.
@@XX-_-XX420 why not just show the 5600 with pbo, then? Since that's what they're actually recommending people get and use, they should show that instead.
@@tarfeef_4268 thats also fair, but I think just running the 5600x probably does save time while showing about max performance. ( pbo probably gains the 5600x like 5-10% in gaming or something but that doesnt matter to much).
The 2nd Look and Extra work you put in to this review was great appreciated. This is one of many reasons that sets GN far apart from other tech channels in my opinion.
I like the Dr.Dre - forgot about Dre tune insertion with the rap from Steve
hahaha
I really hope they make a significant update to the i3 this year with core counts like 4P cores + 2 E cores or 4+4 cores.
4p+8e would be legit ryzen 5 killer. and lets leave the quad core stuff to pentiums and celerons.
@@mtunayucer Except that's 16 threads which makes it a R7 competitor and the R7 will slap it silly. 4p+4e is 12 thread. 👍
@@MafiaboysWorld bruhhhhhh who compares cpus by thread count?? You compare cpus by PRICE. It doesnt make R7 competitor. Thats the whole point!
@@mtunayucer The companies themselves do. People do. Have for decades. That's why Intel, with only 8p+16e, so 32 threads total, calls itself the i9 13900K and competes with the R9 7950X which is guess what genius, 16 cores and 32 threads!
But "wHo cOmPaReS tHrEaD cOuNtS?!" right? 🙄🤦 Quit while you're behind already dimwit. 👎
Hoping for 4p+8e as well
Maybe for the i3 1x300?
TWO Steve’s in the thumbnail????? You spoil us GN
Thank you for teaching me so much about computers. I have not built one yet but I think I could do it. Maybe I will with my next computer. In the mean time I will keep watching your videos and learning from you.
Awesome work as always. But Steve we are all waiting for your review on the Fractal North case.
It's kinda important to consider the price of the platform in fps/$, it's not really a big problem for the 12100 which you can run on the lowest of low end LGA1700 boards, but especially with the likes of AM5, motherboard costs inflate the overall price more than just the CPU.
In chart 1 the 4090 is paired with a 12100f, a massive cpu bottleneck, for highest fps/dollar. I think this aptly demonstrates Steve's point about the number not being the whole, or even significant portion of, the picture. And perhaps why he made sure to make that point so thoroughly up front.
I have exactly the same cpu + gpu combo. Its not even remotely massive bottleneck as you would think. There is no lack of graphical settings in games that can tame 4090 to performance that is reachable by this tiny beast.
The whole idea of bottlenecks is so overrated its hilarious at this point.
Charts!! Thanks Steve. Really thanks, looks great!
Great content as always, keep it up !
Have you considered price-vs-performance scatter plots (possibly with iso-price/perf lines)? With the entire value discussion being comparative, the difficulty of reading accurate values in scatter charts does not matter.
We can try it. Sounds maybe difficult to understand, but I'll play around with it!
@@GamersNexus if you do add new charts I would suggest to explain how the chart works. Even if it seems simple, it’s always good to take 1-2 minutes explaining the charts and allowing the content to be more accessible to more people.
I've seen a couple scatter plots for that kind of data. Really useful as a visual tool.
@@ArdgalAlkeides Obviously as cards stop being sold, they leave the graph. Nobody would be interested to see how well a 8800 GT or a HD 4870 or a GTX 570 are nowadays.
And as OP said, it's more about having a broad overview about everything available.
That the plot would be obsolete a week later is also obvious, but the same can be said for any price/performance graph.
Gamersnexus again setting the bar even higher on the tech industry reviews ! Thank you for your dedication
Thank you for continuing to improve your processes. 😃
Noble take, and you made an even better video. Kudos Steve & team.
Thanks Steve
thanks papa
I got my 5600 for $119 and after increasing the boost frequency by 200mhz it has identical performance to a 5600X! It’s a powerful and inexpensive cpu I’ve paired with my RTX 3080
Yea but if you take a 5600x and do the same overclock it again is going to be much faster than the 5500. It literally has half the l3 cache at 16mb versus 32MB on the 5600 (x).
I got my 5600 at the same price point. Instead of adding the 200mhz boost, I fine tuned curve optimer per core. Cinebench increased several percent, but not as much as the 200mhz boost would. The temps and power usage are much, much lower.
R5 54600 ( non x ) is EXCELLENT choice at the $120 - $125 mark ,, FAR better value than the OVER priced 5800X3D
@@tilapiadave3234 But the performance of the 5800X3D supersedes the value of your little budget chip. Besides, you can get a 5800X3D for less than $300.
@@jamesm568 Yes the WAY over-priced EXTREMELY over-rated 5800X3D can beat a 12100f ,,,, But is that an i5 YES a mere i5 i see way ahead in many of the charts ,, WOW ,,,, so embarrassing for the 5800X3D shills
OMG I see you did the Blue = Intel; Orange = AMD thing for the FPS per dollar chart. Not sure if that was on purpose but I recommended you do this a few times and I'm SOOO happy to see it!! Wow, that looks so good :)
you did so much work to fix a problem you considered worth fixing... respect.
I'd love to see a value battle royal but with cpus that have graphics. with the cpus released on ces. (whenever you get them)
thanks steve
Sorry Guys, the internet has spoken, every graph has to include every processor from the last 5 years. We look forward to your new once-yearly video upload schedule. 😂 But seriously, thanks as always to Gamers Nexus for all the hard work and dedication, you guys rock.
That's a scary amount of work. A monstrous undertaking...
5 years? We have to go back at least to the Q6600 for include all possibly relevant computers of everyone interested in getting a new CPU :D
I mean everyone once in a while that would be super cool to see like first gen i7 parts overclocked all the way upto modern parts.
or like a 7ghz FX8350 beating stuff like the 5500, that would be hilarious, and cool. ( or I think it was the 8350 @ 7ghz that was as fast as a r5 3600).
Really impressed with the Dre line. Looking forward to Steve's mixtape.
I've always appreciated the data first -approach of this channel. If you stop listening actively and just zone out you really start to understand how the more basic consumer has trouble understanding the details when choosing pc components, specifically CPUs especially. "something-hundred-F" vs "something-hundred-X" again, different numbers, different postfixes, different values, different comparisons. Thanks to the team again for great content and thanks to Steve for having the patience for the narration.
What's the point of comparing games that are already running on more than 120fps ? Compare those games that struggles to push 60fps on high settings not everyone has a 144hz monitor bt each and every guy has a 60hz monitor. test these cpus on games like cyberpunk, Valhalla and dying light 2 these games may be not optimised well or more cpu demanding but they can keep your build ready for any titles if you can run these games at High on 60+ fps
R5 5500 overclocks to 4.8ghz very easily. I have mine at 4.422Ghz just because I'm using a stock cooler and I want the temps under 80 degrees. intel chips don't overclock as well, I got my 4.4ghz 5500 with a free game I wanted too, so all in all I'm happy with my new UFO RIG. I love you guys but your wrong to hate the R5 5500......its a beast in hiding!
Please do a chart on overclocked intel vs AMD budget cpu's, great to see.
Been waiting three weeks for this. Going to order my parts now!
Love everyone at Gamer's Nexus. Your content is just amazing. Great advice as always. Thank you all!
FPS/$ is much better suited for graphics cards. For a CPU you have to include motherboard prices and RAM because it doesn't do anything without these components. Choosing good options for these parts is impossible considering the diverse audience, but even the cheapest options will noticeably change the value for these budget CPUs.
Something that I think would also benefit in budget CPUs reviews like this is a chart or two where the CPUs are paired with one or two budget class / mid tier GPUs as well. Maybe something like the 6600 as kind of a reality check against what an actual budget build with the CPU would perform like. The point being that gaming performance between these CPUs may well flatten out with a lower end GPU which could change the value equation. If a CPU could technically run a game 30% faster, but only when paired w/ a 4090, then you'd be paying a premium for a performance difference you're never going to see. Just a thought.
That is not the purpose of these videos. The whole premise is to remove the GPU as a variable. Push the CPU to it's absolute limits. There are far far too many GPUs available to do testing like this. 10 hours for a single addition of one CPU. Adding in an arbitrary "realistic budget GPU" to the stack means a doubling of testing time on the gaming side. You might just have to use the excellent and extensive data GN has provided and make your own conclusions.
@@jeffjungers2034 I know full well how benchmarking works and why GN does what they do; however, this is the first time they've done a "value" metric in terms of FPS per dollar because it's important to a significant portion of the target market of these CPU (someone building a budget gaming rig). It's that audience that I had in mind when making the suggestion (and IIRC, GN did ask for feedback about this addition).
I disagree with your understanding of "the purpose of these videos". GN's really the only one w/ authority to speak on that, but my take is they want to give their audience enough information to make informed purchasing decisions.
IMO an important aspect of budget builds, probably more so than higher end rigs, is balancing out component choices. If processors in this range are functionally equivalent when paired with a mid/low tier GPU, that's useful information as the price difference between CPUs and their platforms can be put towards a different component that will impact the user's experience. Put another way, one data point that's largely missing for potential buyers of these CPUs is what class of GPU will be bottlenecked by them. I'd argue that's far more important than how fast they can push a 4090.
Thx for adding more Cpu's in. I am a fan of that. And yes I know it makes the chart busier, but I am ok with that
Great job. I didn't see the first one, but I was pretty confident that the end result wouldn't be different. :)
Ryzen 5 5500 has a very specific use case, cheaply upgrading older boards that only have PCI-E 3.0 anyway. It was useful to give my son's circa 2018 Gigabyte AB350 and Ryzen 3 2200G a cheap boost. Gigabyte's been very good about keeping the microcode updated for new BIOS/UEFI releases.
You do realise that usually GPU PCIE lanes are provided by the CPU, not the motherboard? So a PCIE 4.0 GPU with 5600 on a PCIE 3.0 board will still run in 4.0 mode
Basically a competitor to the 3600. Or for people got got a cheap 1600AF back in the day and want a decent upgrade for a decent price.
Would be interesting to see how the 5500 compares to the 3600. Maybe throw a 5600 on an older board into the mix as well to see how much one really saves.
Nah.. I think used R5 3600 makes much more sense than R5 5500. Generally speaking, CPU last much longer than motherboards, if your B350 died, you can upgrade straight to B550, but if you are stuck with PCI-E 3.0 of the R5 5500, you can't fully make use of the newer B550 motherboard which supports PCI-E 4.0. The only good thing about the R5 5500 is the monolithic die because it originates from APU , thus you can overclock the Infinity Fabric much higher compare to chiplet based AMD CPU. Those APU have better memory controller than chiplet based CPU.
Tbh the 10100f is also insane value. I think you save 50-100 bucks depending on your config but lose barely any performance
10100f get's STOMPED on by 12100 etc
@@tilapiadave3234 yes, if you buy a 3080. not with a low end card like a 3050 or 60
@@jeremyleemartens801 LAUGHING ,,, I always plan at least one ,, often 2 GPU upgrades ahead.
@@tilapiadave3234 well, then you shouldn't consider budget CPUs anyways
@@jeremyleemartens801 You should consider what has caused your stupidity. Your pathetic if you cannot see spending $15 more INTIALLY in order to have at least one extra GPU upgrade free from bottle-necking is a fantastic investment. The 10100 WAS , PAST TENSE , a good value option , it NO LONGER is.
amazing vid, was considering 5500 cuz of sites which were comparing the price to benchmark scores and so the price seemt very very good, but I dont do editing and stuff, now I know what I should go after, ty
love this video, and i love the extensive comparisons, even managing to squeeze a 3700x into those charts! im just now wrapping up a build for a friend who has been stuck on a xeon from 2012 for 6+ years. its fared well enough (for a sub $300 budget build 6+ years ago) but new games requiring AVX has pushed him into the world of a CPU upgrade! i wanted to go 5600 all the way, but availability has been miserable. new b550 motherboards have been pricey too lately, with decent sales but not sub $100 for decent motherboards really. i ended up snagging a 3800x & b550 motherboard with great VRM heatsinks for $220 secondhand locally. imagine my delight when there's a new budget comparison video for me to directly compare to! i know it isnt as good as a 5600 would have been, or maybe even a 12100f, but i feel like i wouldve been chasing prices for weeks or settling on a $160 processor and $130 motherboard, pushing the budget way higher than i intended. plus, this way i get a nice bump in productivity and multithreaded workloads, which i valued pretty highly. the price was super fair for the performance i can expect from the build, even though it's definitely not the direction most people have been going in. this budget direction would probably make the most sense for somebody hosting servers or programming / video editing / 3d art / compression / game engine workloads. which, in our case, doesnt make money, but is fun to mess around with and setup, and sometimes even crucial (decompression). i think we're going to be very happy with the performance uplift for the price!
I ABSOLUTELY look for and buy based on FPS per dollar. You're right, that's not the only thing that matters and can mask other factors, but give your audience some credit. I believe anyone who has their own personal "minimum" metric, or needs production performance also, is smart enough to also watch that part of the review. You can also make a two-level chart like you do for avg, 1% and .1% fps, and show frames per dollar along with avg. I use HW unboxed charts like this a lot.
Yeah, I don't know why they made such a big deal of this "problem" when it's been solved perfectly by Hardware Unboxed. The only real criticism against performance/$ charts (in my opinion) is that costs can change. But even then, when you display the raw performance, users can easily update for current costs by just dividing.
I think that fps per dollar are stupid charts, as prices change constantly, they greatly depend of the rest of the system resolution, etc and don’t show performance at all. CPU fps per dollar is more dependant on the GPU than CPU in most cases. 13900k might be exactly the same fps with RX6500XT as Ryzen 5500 in CP2077. If you add the whole system cost, two systems with 100% price and fps difference will be exactly the same fps/$. Like I said, those charts are stupid and too subjective and easy to manipulate to add any real value to the review.
Remember that it also depends on the games you want to play with it. For example I play none of the games in the test and don't live in the US, so the numbers in the FPS/$ chart are completely meaningless to me. Neither the FPS part nor the $ part. But what I know is that in my most demanding game the 5800X3D beats the 12900K by about 40%
@@HappyBeezerStudios So I'm sure you go around saying that all FPS charts are worthless as well because you don't play those games, right? And you do realize that the relative % differences are literally just calculated based off the FPS numbers?
@@azethegreat958 All I'm saying is that the chart displays one situation that is limited in time, location and software used.
A rough first start, but to know what is the optimal choice for a person, they have to do the math themselves.
Good vid! I just wanna say, I think the primary concern (at least for me) around the whole 5600x/5600 thing is that the 5600 is almost always better value (cheaper for nearly the same performance), so it makes sense to use the better value chip as the baseline instead of the worse value chip. And just for an example why, I was helping a friend upgrade from a 3600 to a 5600 and I sent him one of the gamersnexus charts and he was confused about the 5600x being there and asked me questions about it, are they the same, should he spend more for the x, and I had to walk him through it. It's minor issue but I'd prefer the better value chips being on the chart if we get more these x and non-x chip situations. Like, I'd rather the 7600 be on these charts over the 7600x, for example.
One of the options is to just add a non-x counterpart even if it wasn't actually tested with 2-3% less performance. Of course, as long as the X version is better only by 2-3%
Reminds me of the difference between 5700X and 5800X, the latter clocks higher but also has a higher power target. How fast would a 5800X be under 95W and how fast would a 5700X be under 125W....
I lost it when I heard the Dre reference, keep up the great videos GN!
Mad props for pulling and retesting. Much appreciated. Agree to disagree on the 20 to 30 diff on 5600. But at least there's charts to back everything up. So kudos and thank you.
The human eye can't even see the first comment.
12:15 - That's why HUB includes value and fps in the same chart, where they sum CPU+RAM+mbd, and I think it works very well (except of course they use $ per fps rather than fps per $; same idea really, one can debate which is easier to comprehend). It allows one to see the value difference, but also see where a more expensive option provides much greater performance.
15:05 - HUB's version of this kind of chart does not leave out which combination has the performance edge, and it really does help that various combinations of mbd and RAM are included too, to show for example DDR4 vs. DDR5 value/speed variance.
Overall conclusion still correct I'd say, but of course price volatility (and how it varies between regions) can shove all this around like bumper cars. Strange where I am (UK), the 5600 is now largely unavailable, or places that do have it are charging far more than makes sense vs. Intel competition (for gaming that is). By contrast, the 5500 is easy to find but is exactly the same price as the 12100F, quite unusual for UK pricing of this kind. What would be nice of course is a proper 7500 or 7500X, but AMD isn't going to do that, not for some time; they learned from the 3300X that too strong a value part just negates most of the good-margin SKUs.
The Zen4 stack will only receive entry parts when Intel once again kicks AMD in the shins. AMD waited far too long to release the 5600 and meanwhile released a mess of other older-tech parts with irritating caveats & compromises (PCIe, cache, etc.); wouldn't surprise me if they do the same thing again, leave competitive entry Zen4 so late that by the time it comes out Intel has already moved on.
Also interesting from the value perspective, the 10100/F is still available to buy and it's 20% cheaper than the 12100F; sure it's slower, but with realistic GPUs and display tech in mind this likely doesn't much matter, most people in this price class are still fine with 60 to 90Hz displays.
Btw, RandomGamingInHD recently uploaded a video showing the 13100 with the Arc A750 at 1440p, some interesting numbers.
Great content as always.
Was really hoping to see some OC benchmarks (idea for future video maybe?), now that the B660s with ext. clock gens have started to appear in the market, vfm wise they still make sense since 12100/13100F with OC achieves gaming performance close to their big brothers even after factoring the extra cost
No stress, just remember to include a good coverage of cpu's that are available and in and around the same price bracket. low end is as important as high end. its correct to include cpus in that prices range. its a shocker you didn't include the 4500 that could be picked up for £65. lol. Also Don't always take the new build approach , need to remember the amount of am4 boards out there. this will happen with am5 going forward
big no to the 4500, sorry. We already said what we think about that in the original review. We're not going back for it.
@@GamersNexus twas as joke hence the lol steve!
I've been loving the past year's videos. A suggestion: would it be possible to make past benchmark results available on the website like Anandtech's Bench tool? I used to like that on their site until they fell apart
Steve, great video (THANKS STEVE!) LOL.
When you guys are reviewing really low end CPU’s in the future, maybe it would be useful or helpful to pair them with midrange or budget GPU’s. I understand testing methodology and wanting to remove bottlenecks and hence using a top tier GPU, but in the real world nobody is pairing a $1,500 GPU with a $150 CPU. What’s really relevant for anyone considering buying a CPU this far down the stack is whether the bottleneck is the CPU or the GPU it will be paired with in real life. Testing with something like an RTX3060 is highly relevant at this price point, and it would be really interesting to see if all of these CPU’s are functionally equivalent with that big of a drop in GPU performance.
A would love to see Am5 motherboard suggestings/review from your lovely staff like the one for Am4 ❤️
Hey, your transparency and community engagement is great!
Just some feedback from a semi-regular viewer:
- FPS/dollar in CPU section isn't important to me personally, I rly appreciate them in GPU reviews though. I still appreciate you taking feedback from the community.
- The disadvantage of not being able to show absolute performance and fps/dollar simultaneously was solved by other reviewers by showing both on the same graph
Nice to have you back !
You should also insert an avg fps bar overlapped with the cost per frame one, per cpu, like hw unboxed charts do! Anyway, good job!
Great job! Personally me thinking that it would be cool to have also some games that are heavily CPU bound (Total War, CP2077 or etc). Also, as you're starting to add new charts to your videos... maybe there is a chance to also include one chart with a 'frametime' parameter? :P This one could be the game changer for those who're looking for budget 4/8 CPU for games like Battlefield, Planetside 2, Heroes & Generals -- ones that could add some stutters to your gameplay due to the 99% Cores load.
All that extra work to get the same answer , that is what a good cientific method is about! Great Job !
I would love to see a fps per dollar chart that shows the average fps as the bar with the average fps number shown outside right of the bar and the price just inside the left part of the bar. If sorted by price you would get a great view of all cpu's performance around that price point you are looking at.
Prices change. The 13100F is almost 5% cheaper than it was 2 weeks ago and about 3% cheaper than it was on the weekend.
Agree on the FPS per dollar issues. I personally like seeing how much it costs to hit something like 60 , 120 (sweet spot for me personally) and 240 frames consistently for my GPU/CPU and then basing my purchasing decisions on that.
Love the subtle hint to "Forgot about Dre" thought I had Spotify playing in the background lol