I think this ortherwise great comparison is missing an important measuring point. adding a 5700x3d or 5800x3d to see the max difference within the same platform..
@@RadialSeeker113 Yeah I was going to say the 5800X3D / 5700X3D and 7500F / 7600 / 7600X are pretty much interchangeable in terms of gaming performance.
I went from a 2600 to a 5600 over a year ago, and it's been literally perfect for me. I don't play many new games, mostly needed it for video editing and it works like a charm in that regard. Not going to upgrade again for several years. (Paired with a 6650 XT at 1080p 144hz)
Did a similar jump but with a RX 5700 XT aiming 1440p 60+ fps. It's great ... especially for that kind of money! And I still can upgrade to a X3D CPU or a RX 6800/ XT ... which would be another jump.
Well, it was just two years ago, while the original Zen 3 line-up launched 3.5 years ago. It took them 1.5 years to release an SKU cheaper than $300. They did it after Intel released entry level Alder Lake chips. AMD can be greedy too when they're on top. 😉
yeah i bought it on the launch day of the rtx 3060 at microcenter and got scalper price in store $530 for a 3060 because MSI wanted to price it at that for some reason and i for some reason got the 5600x at the same time. I originally only planned on spending $350 for a gpu but $900+ at microcenter happens when you walk in that cursed building. smh they take all my money
i upgraded from an i5 4690k to a Ryzen 5 5600 LOL, the upgrade felt great, so far it's done really well on a 165hz screen for esports/competitive games.
Went from a gtx 770 and i7 920 to 3060 and 5600. Was a pretty massive upgrade. In order to get a similar uplift in terms of gpu, I would need to skip right to a 4090 lol
In my opinion, this type of content is so important to the community. As a builder myself, I get these questions all the time from my clients. I usually resort to extrapolating benchmarks from various videos and reviews to make the best decisions. Videos like this are incredibly valuable in this regard. It’s also off the beaten path which usually leads to more views if there is interest. Keep up the good work guys.
We already had this kind of content it was called 720p benchmarks but the amd fanboys said those benchmarks weren't realistic because a certain someone said so.
@@Lewis_mane It's a weird comment cause it still pisses me off how people mostly noobs who were AMD fanboys tried to gaslight low-res benchmarks as bs.
@@mesicek7 1080p is now the new low res benchmark target. And you can see from these benchmarks it's perfectly capable of giving us plenty of difference between CPU products. Not sure if you care or you're just stroking out on the other end of the keyboard.
I gotta say, the missed opportunity for inclusion of a 5800X3D, the logical next-step for most AM4 users wanting to extend the life of their existing rigs (in that it also offers higher core count for productivity than the 5600, not just adding benefit in gaming) is a bit odd.
@@evilleader1991 For the most part yeah but some games can take advantage of the extra cores and more cache that allow the 5800x3d to be closer to 7800x3d, depending on the game and resolution of course.
I bought this cpu 6-7 months ago for 150$, paired with 6700 xt (237$, used but rma new unit), and with good cooler, its probably great for my 1080p 75hz monitor for years to come. (Previously i was on i3 8100 and 1060 3gb)
I recommend ryzen 5600 to anyone who wants to build budget fast enough 1080p or even 1440p pc, cause its better than 14100f and even i5 12400f specially with the motherboard pricing, and overclocking capablities of ram and cpu on cheap amd mobo, like b450 ds3h v2 is around 60-70$ and has 4 ram slots, and very good vrm heatsinks, and with some patience, you can oc ram with titght timings and undervolt (maybe even oc with uv) cpu beyond for great low temps, also good b550 mobo like ds3h are also under 100$ if you want pcie 4 benefits on gpu and nvme.
Thanks guys for recommending 2k monitor, problem is i got this 1080p monitor just about a year ago, when i still had old setup, and it was still huge improvement from my 768p tv lol, because it being ips and having freesync (over displayport on 1060) will get new monitor some time later..
I was running a 5600 X paired with an RX6950XT for a while and for single player titles in 1440P it was usually almost maxing out the GPU, wasn't quite getting a 100% in all loads but it wouldn't dip much below 80% usage. Still a very strong processor, I did upgrade to the 5800X3D and that has definitely been an improvement in some games and just keeping that GPU usage maxed out especially, when I started doing some raytracing the extra cores and extra capacity of the 5800X3D did stand out. I definitely was still having a great gaming experience with the 5600x at 1440P with a then high-end now upper mid-range GPU.
your gpu will always max out unless you set a fps limit. Set it to your monitos refresh rate if it can handle it and then your gpu will not max out all the time.
@@Maddsyz27 Steve JUST spelled it out so clearly that even the slow-pokes on the back row can see it... and yet here we are with you spouting nonsense because you don't pay attention.
I currently have a 5600 + 6900 XT also playing single player games, great experience so far at around 90%+ usage, sometimes it drops to 80%+ too, not upgrading for now, maybe later to a 8800X3d or something far down the line
Title : How slow is the Ryzen 5600 Me still gaming on a FX : 👁️👄👁️ Edit : oh wow the responses 🤣. For anyone wondering why I'm still on a FX in 2024, it's because I built that PC in 2013. It wasn't bad then, and it's still pretty OK today. I planned to upgrade it to Ryzen in 2021, but high parts price and life problems delayed it until now. It's only now that things have began to calm down that I began to plan for a PC upgrade. 🤣
And I am gonna buy a ryzen 5 5500H which is a fucking unknown cpu 😂 its coming in a laptop with an rtx 2050 😂😂 but hey it'll do what I need it to and it comes under my budget so it's all good!
@@rchgmer863 ohh yea those very low end of the line budget laptops with the cutdown 3050 (2050) and a more cutdown version of 5600H which is 5500H man! youd better off building a pc than buying that junk "gaming" laptop! 😂
@@thomasdorey3296 shout out to Phenom II x6 1055t though, a lovely chip that came at like 230 bucks in 2010 as i remember it and was pretty damn powerful if you knew hot to multitask, ran it as my main axe for ~5 years i think :D i had one an asus board that could bus clock like a monster (since that cpu model was muliplier locked) and could run all 6 cores from 2.80 -> 3.85 ghz, on a big ass 140 mm tower air cooler, even though i had to thread into danger zones of cranking the PCIe clock to 108% orso, as there were only so many steps you could choose as a divider without totally making the ram speed suffer, shit still had northbridges back then and there was a bit more interlocking lol that's when overclocking still mattered a bit lol i still have it sitting in a board somewhere in a shelf as a relic :D
@FreshStewAM4 is a way better platform than LGA1700. What you meant to say is that the upgrade path is "better", but at what cost? You might as well go for AM5 if you're building from scratch. The 5600 can be put in a 7 year old motherboard, you won't get that with an Intel-platform.
not realy if you look at the benchmarks , the 7600 cost like 50$ more so better off getting that , get way more performance , buying a 5600 in 2024 is a real bad decision
currently on a ryzen 5600 rtx 4070 super build at 1440p, cpu bottleneck can be seen sometimes but nothing atrocious, expecially when i paid 120 euros for that cpu lol, looking to upgrade to new ryzens, which should have huge IPC increases
Just throw a 5800X3D in there. It's more than fine for a 4070 Super, it's super efficient as far as power/heat and you should have a good pairing for the rest of this console gen including the PS5 Pro refresh. Wait until the next gen console tech to invest in a whole new platform, water cooling imo.
Been using 5600 + 4070 Ti combo for a year. I tuned RAM (3800MHz/CL16 + tightened subtimings). That way 5600 rarely becomes bottleneck for this card at 1440p. It can provide 60+ fps in all modern games, except few seriously unoptimzed ones, like Hogwarts Legacy, SWJS and of course DD2. But, since even 5800X3D can not offer 60+ fps experience in these games, I am not going to upgrade 5600 until the release of Zen 5 and new Intel CPUs.
Perfect combination - 5600 just have some minor bottleneck in 1440p, at 4k 5600 can even feed 4070tis. For better GPU u need AM5. And the review is more than perfect for CPU buying guide. IF U use card slower than 4080/7900xtx 7800x3d not needed. 7700 for $250 will do the job without bottleneck till 4070tis/7900xt
Thanks for the info! I'm running a 5600x with a rx6800 on a 144hrz 2k Ultrawide monitor, and for the most part i am GPU bound in the plethora of games i play. Upgrading on this platform doesn't make much sense when the cost could be put into a platform upgrade. this video is super helpful and I'm sure i could see some uptick in performance with a gpu upgrade for the few games I'm not able to max out my fps on, but not enough to make it worthwhile for my use case.... but if i had a higher refresh rate monitor and more into competitive games it could be a huge upgrade getting a better CPU and GPU combo.
I have a 5600 paired with an rx 6800. I play in 4k. I would say it's a quite balanced config. I think i will switch to AM5 in the future instead of upgrading my cpu to a 5800x3d.
How is it? I have the 6800xt for my son and I'm planning on getting the 5600 for him to pair it with that card cuz he has a ryzen 5 2600 at the moment but he is playing Elden ring and I want to know if the 5600 with the rx 6800xt can keep up for a couple more year for him with the upcoming games.
@@RaykingSamurai I think it would be okay for the 6800 xt for most of the time. You would feel a nice perf bump from the 2600. I switched from a 2700 and its' quite a bit faster even at 4k due to the Smart Access Memory support which the 2000 series doesn't support. Just don't forget to turn it on when you instell the new CPU.
@@ericsonbernabe7987 I always buy a new vga when i can double the performance for a reasonable price and for that card i think even a 5800x3d wouldn't be enough. Thats my logic. I was a little overboard now because i switched from a gtx 1060 6gb and in 4k the 6800 can pump out about 4-5 times more fps depending on the game. E:G. in FH5 4k extreme i went from 16 to 70 fps.
I upgraded from 5600x to 5800x3D and the difference was quite big, sometimes even in 4k. But the best thing was how much the micro stuttering and stuttering improved in games that were prone to it. Except maybe star wars and other games in UE4 :D Gpu is RTX 3090
I bought a B550M, DDR4 8x2 3600mhz CL18 and a Ryzen 5600 for my girlfriend a few days ago. Waiting for it to arrive, hoping she likes her gift, she has no idea. ;) She's currently running I7-4790K right now. Thanks for the video!
Wow, I have to say I didn’t expect these results. I currently run a 5800x3d with a 4090 at 3440x1440. I mostly play Warzone, but do dabble with Starfield and Alan Wake 2. I’ve found for the most part, gaming to mostly be smooth, I’m just trying to stretch the 5800x3d out until next year for the 9800x3d. I did some comparisons with a mate running the same set up, but with a 7800x3d and DDR5 5600. At the same settings, (IceManIsaac’s) on average he was getting 10% higher fps. I was fine with this a my monitor caps out at 175hz anyway so I just cap to that. The main reason I got a 4090 was for ray traced games, but so far only Alan Wake 2 has really stretched it (couldn’t get in to Cybrepunk). Now I’ve seen these results I might have to check out some benchmarks with Alan Wake 2 and just make sure I’m not overly handy capping my GPU.
oh yes, definitely XD That's why I really am happy with AM4 platform, I can make "installment" by buying Ryzen 5 then proceed to cheap Ryzen 7 in the future.
@@VideosVlogsThatsIt Found a writeup I did on a previous video, on why it can matter when building a new system. or upgrading an old one. (this data is really hard to come by) Do you think you guys could do CPU+GPU bottleneck testing comparisons for a set budget? Let's say you're building a PC $1500 USD if I get a i3 13400, and a 4070Ti would I be better off than if I got a 14600k and I 4060 for example. Or, if I had an older PC how far could I spend on a GPU before I upgrade my CPU? All normal benchmarks separate this aspect for proper testing. But in the real world the limit is usually the budget. So seeing how low you can go on the CPU before you run into issues would be interesting. I'd guess the main issues would show up at 1080p. I think you technically did a video like this before (3600 + 3080), but an update would be nice. Hardware Canucks also did a video like this. If I explained what I meant horribly it was called "4090 trashes older ryzen cpus" I guess the easiest way to test would be to just run the all CPUs with different priced GPUs that way the data can be universal for anyone's budget. Would certainly be an insane amount of work though.
Thanks for the extra round of testing HWboxed team was debating if it really made sense to upgrade the 5600 I have to a 5800x3d for 1440p gaming before the parts are discontinued. I think this video sealed the deal for me.
When I upgraded to the 5600, I also upgraded from a HDD to a gen4 M.2 SSD. I can't even describe the level of improvement I got out of these two hardware components!
These videos help as evidence for assessing CPU/GPU combos and how you budget for future upgrades. Thanks for this level of detail in your analysis videos.
Love your work! The CS2 benchmarks are super helpful as judging where the bottleneck will be is very difficult + frequent updates keep changing performance. Would you consider adding another test pass with 'competitive settings' in the future? Such as 1280 x 960 with everything low except shadows?
I would’ve liked 5800x3d to be included. Good review, but I think most of the 5600 users are looking for a 5800x3d upgrade. Also fsr/performance review, bc most of the times 1440 gets more relevant when upscaling kicks in.
@@Hardwareunboxed Yeah, but it would be nice to see if it’s worth upgrading to AM5 now for the newer games. I really appreciate your work, don’t get me wrong.
Someone with 5800x3D + RTX 4080 Super and playing on a 4k 120 Hz + 1440p ultrawide 175 Hz (both OLED). There's little to no need to upgrade the CPU. Maybe when upgrading the monitor, but then I would wait for the next gen AMD 3DX CPU.
Recently bought a RTX 4070 Super and my 5700X is struggling to keep up at 1440p with DLSS Quality mode enabled. I see GPU usage dropping down to 70% in some newer games. Contemplating going AM5 with a 7800X3D
Seen more people selling these off to CEX. Maybe ride it out till AMD Ryzen 5 9600X, Ryzen 7 9700X reviews later this year. See if the even bigger jump in performance and price is worth it.
I started with a 5600 + 6600 in 2022 when prices were finally going down, I was looking to upgrade as I bought a 180hz 1440p monitor so wanted to get a 6800-6800 XT, found a killer deal on a barely used 6900 XT tho, so far I'm pretty happy with this combo, most games I play are capped at 60 fps and I just unlocked the cap for one, limiting it to 144Hz, definitely worth it while saving some money. Will try more without the fps limit and see how it goes though I'm sure the performance will be enough for me until I decide to upgrade to a 8800X3D or smt
Those first few results had me worried after upgrading from 5600x with 3080 to 7800x3d with 4080S. But especially with result like Spiderman it seems a wise (if not frugal) upgrade for how I play at 4K with RT. On Alan Wake 2 being able to hit 60fps (just) with that combo has allowed me to also turn on framegen and get 80-100fps performance with path tracing even. If I'd known what I know now however, I never would have bought a 4K HDMI 2.1 OLED TV in 2019 and would have got a 1440p monitor to keep hardware costs down and still get a cutting edge experience.
If you are trying to game at 4k, you are not going to get far with a "budget" gpu. Any gpu capable of running 4k comfortably will blow up the total system cost so much that it does not make much sense to talk about a budget 4k gaming system anyway, so might as well spend a bit extra on the cpu as well.
@@mingyi456 you say that, but I built a system with a 5600 and a 4080. Seems crazy to most people but saving the money on CPU and going with AM4 meant that I could put a decent bit more money into the GPU which was more important to me aiming for 4k60. So far it's done great, I can crank all settings to max and get a solid 60fps on pretty much every game outside cyberpunk.
@@jonnybowdenfitness9558 I did not mean that pairing a 5600 (or any other budget/value cpu) with a powerful gpu is crazy by any means, just that it does not really make sense to call any 4k capable system "budget". So in your example, the 4080 costs 1k usd and I shall assume you needed to spend at least 300 usd for the cpu, motherboard and rest of the system, and so the total system cost is not exactly "budget" after all, unless you somehow scored a deal on the 4080 (I consider
@@mingyi456 ah yeah I get it and agree, no way a 1k+ system can be considered "budget". I was thinking more of doing 4k on as little budget as possible!
Very interesting, so I made a good choice because I have an AMD 5600x and I recently picked up an AMD 7800xt Sapphire Nitro. And as this card is close to the 4070ti, I made a good combination of price and performance, leaving nothing unused. 👑
Could have included the 5xxx x3d aswell, we would have a easy to check tool in order to see if its worth to do a CPU only upgrade in the current rig or just wait more to make a full system upgrade.
Is driver overhead still a thing on low end CPU's when comparing AMD and Nvidia? If so, it Would be interesting comparing the rtx4080 to the 7900xtx on a CPU like the ryzen5600.
Thanks for this Steve, can we also see such a comparison with a 7900XTX since that has much less CPU overhead than GeForce drivers do? Also, if possible, seeing a 5800X3D in the charts as well would be nice.
I like that you are putting CS2 in the games tested as it is a game that me and many of my friends grind and seeing the stats is awesome. Usually you do a lot of single player or highly graphics games, so seeing a FPS in there is great!
When I first built my PC I got a Ryzen 3 1200 to upgrade it later and went with 3600 and now waiting for a discount on 5800X3D to upgrade on the same X370 motherboard. AM4 is perfection.
I understand the love. I went from 1600x to 5600x and I love it. But at this point for upgradeability for you, I'd go to am5. For cheaper upgrading later.
My system is 5600 rtx 4070 , and I only game at 4k, to get rid of cpu+ram(2400mhz)+pcie3(b450m) bottlenecks , and with the help of dlss it reduces the vram consumption by 2-3gb vram for almost the same quality as native. 👍 Currently playing forbidden west at 4k hdr max + dlss balanced ,52 fps locked. 👌
Have you considered running at 1800p DLSS, just to get it above the 60? Or even 2040p or 1920p? I realise you're probably running in G-Sync, but still...
@@thegreathadoken6808 It's pointless to get it above 60 fps in single player games. I've always locked the fps to save power, and avoid instability , and 1440p native is just too soft for my liking. In competitive games ,sure I'd use 1080p medium like cs2, and dota 2 but not single player titles.
I several months ago went from a fx8320 to a 5600....for me this was a huge improvement. I then went from a gtx970 to a rx5700 xt and that was an even bigger improvement. I am happy with my PC for now. I may move to AM5 later, but for now I am happy with what my PC is able to do.
Ok so I paired my 5600X with 6950 xt and I use a 4K 144 hz monitor. Was thinking about swapping out the CPU. But that test shows that in my case it would be throwing money to the trash. Thanks Steve!
@@tollph3314 I think I will wait it out for new generation of AM5 chips and than just swap out the whole platform. I dont feel like investing into AM4.
@@vigilant_1934 AAA like Cyberpunk and RDR2 and from the esport titles only League of Legends. In 4K I am always GPU restricted in AAA and League works on the 144 fps locked with the system not even noticing that something is beeing rendered ;)
@@Jakiyyyyyit means the CPU is being used more with a Nvidia gpu vs an AMD one. Which means you might get less FPS in a game if you're being CPU bottlenecked
@@AKK5I"CPU being used more". It doesnt really sound like you actually understand the technical reasoning for this because a CPU being more utilized translates to higher thread usage which translates to higher performance. Please give a better explanation.
@@Stardomplay He meant the GPU drivers use the CPU more, that leaves less CPU performance for the game. As in the CPU has to do more work to achieve the same result. And if there isn't enough CPU headroom it will result in lower performance
@@Stardomplay Don't quote me on this. But i think it's something like, the frame scheduling is done on the GPU with AMD GPU's, and on the CPU with nvidia GPU's. This puts extra load on the CPU which in turn reduces performance if you're already CPU bottlenecked.
I've been meaning to upgrade my CPU for a long time now, but the issue is that this would include upgrading my motherboard... I have a 9700k and had been eyeing the Ryzen 7 7800x3d. But my gut has been telling me to see if upgrading my gpu to one with higher vram would have more tangible results. Now that it seems like a clear yes, I'm beginning to wonder just how long i can prolong the headache of a mobo upgrade 😅
On a short note, I upgraded my combo 5600X/32GB 3200 CL16/3080Ti 27" 1440p to 7700/32GB 6400 CL30/retained 3080Ti and 32" 4K, and with optimised PBO+CO (5.2-5.3Ghz All core and 5.5Ghz Single core), and when using Nukems or LukeFZ frame generation mods in AAA games like AW2/Starfield/LOTF/Elden Ring/CyberPunk I am able to play 4K DLSS/FSR on Balanced with High/Ultra settings & RT On (60+ frames). So far the combo is good, and definitely for 1440p for games to come.
So, absolutely no reason for me to Upgrade yet. 5600X is enough, and by the time it isn't, the market will have even better CPUs or the 7000 series will be much more affordable :)
I think that the 7600 + 4080 and 5700X3D + 4080 combos are some pretty important missing data. I get the reason behind 7600 + 4070ti and 7800X3D + 4070 but IMO "the sensible AM5 option" and "what can a CPU upgrade do over the 5600" are way more relevant.
@@Howlsowlssame here. I got the 5600x so cheap, that it allowed me to budget a 4080 into my setup. Getting a tier better GPU is far more noticeable on high resolution gaming, than getting the better CPU. I don’t experience major bottlenecks on 3440x1440p, but I’ve been eying the 5700x3d to extend my AM4 life.
@@onedriftyboy i guess it would be the way to go having a 4080, but I dont think am4 is gonna live a lot longer since the next gen is gonna beat ryzen 7000 by 40%. I think ill wait a few years to make the shift tho
recentyly upgraded GTX970 sitting on a I74790K to an GTX1080 and a few weeks later to an RTX4070 super just to see how bad it will be. Gaming in 1440p. Right now performance is slightly above GTX1080. Did hurt to replace my old PC, because it's still fairly fast, just not as much for gaming. And also spending addidional £2000 did hurt
You guys should have added also Ryzen 5800x3d in the lineup to test the best what previous platform AM4 has to offer. To see if it's really worth it to upgrade the entire playform, cpu ,ram,mb etc. for AM5... anyway good job!
@@Severyn123 it depends. For CS2 I play 4:3 stretch @960p and get about 350+ fps. This is about 2x improvement over the 5600. But for GPU intensive gaming at 1440p it depends on the game. I'm also playing Call of the Wild: The Angler and whilst there are more GPU bound games, at 1440p ultra I'm getting between 80-100fps or thereabouts. Thing is, the 1% lows are about 70-80fps as well... So the experience feels smoother compared to the 5600. I'm not sure if that is real or just copium... Either way I'm very happy with the purchase. GPU is a 6800 non-XT for the record...
@@PC_Ringo thank you for sharing your experience! I have a similar setup (1440p with 7800xt) and play multiplayer and single player games so I probably need to see myself which games will benefit the most. I agree that the strongest impact will be on the 1% lows!
I can't tell you how much I appreciate this particular video. Just cutting through all of the technical stuff and saying which GPU's are best suited for this CPU really helps me and I hope you guys do it more often. Thank you!
Still have my Ryzen 5 5600 combined with a RX 6700 XT. For my needs thats enough to work with. The next CPU/GPU upgrade will not before another 1 to 2 years
I was running this exact setup (5600 + 4080) for over half a year. I upgraded the GPU in my existing PC while keeping the 5600. I was afraid of bottlenecks but it was working fantastic. Still, I got a chance to upgrade for cheap to the 5800X3D (I didn't feel like I want or need more performance, the 5600 was totally fine, but the deal was too good to pass up) and my performance, of course, increased substantially. Still, the 5600, for the price, is shockingly good even with a high end GPU like the 4080
I have a 5600 paired with a Radeon 6750XT on a 1440p 165Hz monitor and I think I nailed it considering the budget I had. I'm pretty happy with it, but the next step will probably be AM5 and my younger sister will inherit this PC.
I ran a 5500 with a 7800xt. Can easily do 80 fps in cyberpunk at 1440p. People kept telling me how much I bottleneck my PC without having any clue what I play or do with my PC.
At what settings do you get 80fps in cyberpunk? I run cyberpunk at around 170fps average in 1440 with high settings on my 7800X3D and 7900XTX. The 7900XTX is far from 100% faster than the 7800XT.
@@Audiosan79 iirc I play(ed) at max settings with rt on except for lighting. I used xess as well. The 5500 can easily do 120fps but only inside of buildings and with rt off and no upscaling. Outside on the street it falls back to 80fps.
5600X is ~4% higher clocked then a 5600, so you may see somehow 2-3% better FPS. Or you easily overclock the 5600 to the clock of an X. There is no surprise hidden in that story.
I just ordered a R5 5600 to upgrade my 1600. i'm expecting a lot of years of use just like my 1600. maybe even skipping AM5 thought about the 5700x3d but it was 3x the price of the 5600 so it didn't make sense for me
Well it depends whether you want massive refresh rates or not. I certainly prefer 120fps or better. God knows, if I had a monitor capable of 360fps, I might prefer that too.
First of all, for a gaming computer it is better to have the most powerful video card that you can afford. Simply because replacing the processor with a more powerful one will cost much less than having a top processor, but the video card will be of an average or even low level. In addition, video cards become obsolete much faster than processors. So the 4080 paired with the 5600 is quite an adequate build. Simply because it will be possible to upgrade the processor to 5700X3D/5800X3D.
@@BigOuterHeavenIt's a lot more nuanced than that. Being processor bottlenecked typically means you're going to "enjoy" some nasty stutters and 1% lows. It's better to be GPU bottlenecked for a bit so you can tweak the settings and/or lower the settings. But obviously this really depends on your situation (fps, budget, resolution, games, etc.)
I just bought the 5600 to replace my 2700X since I noticed that I have massive frame drop while playing Assetto Corsa with more than 20 cars online. I went from barely hanging at 60 FPS (and sometimes dropping to 40ish) to constant 60 FPS even when there is plenty of cars. Some might say that going from an 2700X to 5600 is not a great decision but I got the processor for around $100 so I think it's good enough for years to come. Just need a better GPU and I might still be able to game comfortably even for the next 4-5 years before the CPU really become the huge bottleneck.
Flickshots are the META for dominating a fight in sub 30 fps in Fortnite: since you only ever need a single frame and a fast flick of the wrist to hit a perfect shot. I used to play on 6-15fps for a few years, and after upgrading I realized I had development no tracking skill at all, but was excellent at flicking (shotguns, snipers, even the AR I would move away from target and flick to heads, then repeat instead of tracking).
The 5700x/5800x have the same performance in gaming as the 5600. Cores dont matter that much in gaming. That being said just play in 1440p/4K and your GPU will be 100% utilized no matter what even if you have a 5600, hell even if you had a 3600 it would probably even be fine
I have a 5700x with rx 6800 and the performance irl is about the same as my 7600+7800xt playing games not looking at numbers only reason i didnt go 7800x3d as seen in this video at 7800xt level of gfx there is really no difference (also think its too late in zen4 cycle to not wait for the zen5 x3d's
I buied an 5800X3D few weeks ago, during a price drop on a local store (275€) jumped from a 5600X to 5800X3D, paired with a 7800XT and have to say i notice an upgrade, not only in FPS, but also (and more important to me) a better and more stable frame rate. Im pretty glad i did the purchase and IMO the 5800X3D still is a great CPU in 2024.
I had a Ryzen 5 5600x with an RTX 3080 and even with that GPU I felt a big jump in performance when I upgraded to a Ryzen 7 5800X3D and since then I bought an RTX 4080 and it is a great combo.
@@eswecto6074no. It's still a zen 2 processor limited by its architecture. Probably around 10% from the base ps5. But ps5 is gpu limited anyway, so a GPU upgraded is needed more than CPU. Plus, compatibility is needed for the same gen console.
I bought the 5600x a month after its release in 2020, I'm still holding onto it. I think for my use case it's fine, I've got it paired with a 3060 ti, I'm guessing there's no bottleneck up until the rtx 3080/4070, which is still fine, I game at 1080p still. It wasn't cheap back on release in my country, but I feel like it's aging better than my previous i5 4690k that I've had from late 2015 until 2020, as soon as Ryzen came out, 4c/4t processors were on their way out.
Eh sure, but often 60fps is just fine for people too for games designed around lower framerates anyway. The 5600 will more or less do everything the consoles can with a 60fps limit (usually more as its single thread performance is much stronger). In competitive titles its average is comfortably 120+, that's plenty for most people. Also consider the CPU + platform cost for the 5600 is a small fraction what a 7800X3D will set you back, it's a lot more than 50% more money for 50% more performance. Personally, I don't find it worthwhile for me to upgrade my CPU unless it can comfortably do double what the consoles can for a reasonable price. Eg. If GTA VI is designed for a 30FPS limit on the consoles maxing out the 3700(non-X equivalent) CPU for all it's worth, then you won't be able to make a steady 60FPS happen with anything less than the absolute fastest PC CPU right now, and it's not that important to me.
@@InnuendoXP that is also why is important to have a good CPU from the start, because changing the CPU is often more costly and difficult than just swap your GPU
nah, these tests are also very heavily oriented towards cpu bound scenarios, i mean 4/5 single player games shown in this vid are notoriously cpu heavy. I mean fair enough i guess, but there are plenty of games which will show very different results, for example robocop, allan wake 2, stray, scorn, cyberpunk liberty city + RT, brother a tale of two sons remake, diablo 4 and so on
Thank you very much for this comparison. As I wrote recently, if we take 7600 and 7800x3d with a slightly weaker GPU (compared to 4090), the results at 1440p and higher will be very similar. Of course, not in every title, but in most of them. Thank you very much for confirming my thesis.
Recently I bought a 500 usd pc build with this processor. The only thing I didnt upgrade was the GPU tho, and I'm planing to go used market on that. So something in the lines rtx 3070 would be fine and tbh unless you are hardcore you don't need that much. Standard rtx4080 price is around 1200 usd. I'm not ready to break bank yet.
Thank you, Captain Obvious. Clearly the $250 CPU is going to be much less bottlenecked than the $100 one. What isn't clear to you is that if you're shopping at this level, $125-150 is a huge difference for the overall build. That cost could bring you up 30-50% in performance, and it would be stupid to buy a $250 CPU with a $300 GPU vs buying the $100-120 CPU with the $430-450.
I literally bought my i7-12700K for 330 and AMD was charging 400 USD for the 5800X3D. The 5700X3D is better perfomance per dollar than a 5800X3D but is still meh. Ryzen 7 5800X must be cheaper than both.
Nothing wrong being a bit lagging on the tech front, but wisely. Upgraded 10mo ago from 2600 to 5600, with a 2060 super, I did not needed it, could have waited,, but I was preparing for certain games and a future GPU. I am still playing old stuff mixed with some newer games and having a blast. Gaming for someone like me, that plays 1 or 2 days per week does not have to be expensive. I still have room for a 4070/7700 xt level gpu upgrade
@@theanimerapper6351The Ryzen 5 5600 and 5600X never were fast to begin with, the 5600X had a higher price than a 10700K and the latter did win in 1% lows for some games. It looks like the 5600 and 5600X have very low and inconsistent clocks.
I would describe what you're doing as creating pc "performance models" giving people an idea of how categories (ie high end, midrange etc..) of hardware when pair together are likely to perform. I have a overclocked 5700x and struggled to nail down how much GPU was ideal to not overpay since I'm planning on keeping that chip for a while. Settled on a rx7800xt in the end
I think this ortherwise great comparison is missing an important measuring point. adding a 5700x3d or 5800x3d to see the max difference within the same platform..
This.
I said as much nearly an hour after you, not having read through the comments before posting my own. Glaring omission from the line-up.
Assume that it's equal to the 7600
@@RadialSeeker113 Yeah I was going to say the 5800X3D / 5700X3D and 7500F / 7600 / 7600X are pretty much interchangeable in terms of gaming performance.
Yeah very odd the 5800x3d is missing especially as it is recommended at the end of the video
I went from a 2600 to a 5600 over a year ago, and it's been literally perfect for me. I don't play many new games, mostly needed it for video editing and it works like a charm in that regard. Not going to upgrade again for several years. (Paired with a 6650 XT at 1080p 144hz)
yup
Did a similar jump but with a RX 5700 XT aiming 1440p 60+ fps.
It's great ... especially for that kind of money!
And I still can upgrade to a X3D CPU or a RX 6800/ XT ... which would be another jump.
I'd probably buy a 5800x3d... keep it and upgrade next year, will feel like a new major update
😮
Second hand 5800x3d is deal of a decade when it comes to old pc upgrades.
It still feels like yesterday when that CPU launched
welcome to being old
Well, it was just two years ago, while the original Zen 3 line-up launched 3.5 years ago. It took them 1.5 years to release an SKU cheaper than $300. They did it after Intel released entry level Alder Lake chips.
AMD can be greedy too when they're on top. 😉
@@THU31 say tnx that AMD made intel sell cpus a third of the price, yeah thnx for nothing from you nab.
Lol. It feels like yesterday since I updated from i7-2600k (970 gtx) to R5 3600 (3060) 😂
yeah i bought it on the launch day of the rtx 3060 at microcenter and got scalper price in store $530 for a 3060 because MSI wanted to price it at that for some reason and i for some reason got the 5600x at the same time. I originally only planned on spending $350 for a gpu but $900+ at microcenter happens when you walk in that cursed building. smh they take all my money
i upgraded from an i5 4690k to a Ryzen 5 5600 LOL, the upgrade felt great, so far it's done really well on a 165hz screen for esports/competitive games.
Lol! Exactly the same here. Had a i7 4690k with an AMD RX570. Now I have a 5600 with a 3060ti. I'm happy with it.
My exact upgrade as well
I upgraded from i7 4770 to 5600😂
Went from a gtx 770 and i7 920 to 3060 and 5600. Was a pretty massive upgrade. In order to get a similar uplift in terms of gpu, I would need to skip right to a 4090 lol
i7 4790 to 5600 and 6700xt
In my opinion, this type of content is so important to the community. As a builder myself, I get these questions all the time from my clients. I usually resort to extrapolating benchmarks from various videos and reviews to make the best decisions. Videos like this are incredibly valuable in this regard. It’s also off the beaten path which usually leads to more views if there is interest. Keep up the good work guys.
We already had this kind of content it was called 720p benchmarks but the amd fanboys said those benchmarks weren't realistic because a certain someone said so.
@@mesicek7 weird reply comment lol
@@Lewis_mane It's a weird comment cause it still pisses me off how people mostly noobs who were AMD fanboys tried to gaslight low-res benchmarks as bs.
@@mesicek7 1080p is now the new low res benchmark target. And you can see from these benchmarks it's perfectly capable of giving us plenty of difference between CPU products. Not sure if you care or you're just stroking out on the other end of the keyboard.
@@shadaoshai It's not though. It was already bottlenecking a 3080/6800xt when it launched - check TPU's benchmark
Mine upgraded from 3100 and rx570 to 5600 and 6600 combo. Huge difference. Still with same b450 mobo
Yep, about the same here 1300X + GTX780 to 5600 & A750 on a B350 MoBo.
I feel ya I went from a ryzen 3 3100 rx580 to ryzen 7 7800x3d and a 4080
@@mynamejeffgaming whoa thats even more huge leap
Legion 5 R7600 AMD RTX 3060 Mobile 6GB to
the AM5 - R7600x (because cheapest) and 4070 Super. Mobo A620M.
You missing the Gen 4 speed then
I gotta say, the missed opportunity for inclusion of a 5800X3D, the logical next-step for most AM4 users wanting to extend the life of their existing rigs (in that it also offers higher core count for productivity than the 5600, not just adding benefit in gaming) is a bit odd.
Look at 7600 numbers Theres your 5800x3d
@@evilleader1991not true 3d is better
cool@@tilapiadave3234
@@evilleader1991 For the most part yeah but some games can take advantage of the extra cores and more cache that allow the 5800x3d to be closer to 7800x3d, depending on the game and resolution of course.
5800x3d should be around ~20% slower than 7800x3d in most games.@@RarePotions
Man those X3D chips really are great.
Yes they are! I'm running a 7800X3D, and it is an impressive CPU.
The 7600 is even better considering how much it costs.
Not really. Only 7800x3d as you can't be semi competitive.
@@t5kcannon1 100% agree. I went from a 7900x/4090 to a 7800x3D/4090 and the difference in .01% lows alone were WELL worth it.
They run hotter than Intels
I bought this cpu 6-7 months ago for 150$, paired with 6700 xt (237$, used but rma new unit), and with good cooler, its probably great for my 1080p 75hz monitor for years to come. (Previously i was on i3 8100 and 1060 3gb)
There's a lot of affordable 144hz monitors, if possible get one, rx6700 xt can give you high refresh rate gaming.
I recommend ryzen 5600 to anyone who wants to build budget fast enough 1080p or even 1440p pc, cause its better than 14100f and even i5 12400f specially with the motherboard pricing, and overclocking capablities of ram and cpu on cheap amd mobo, like b450 ds3h v2 is around 60-70$ and has 4 ram slots, and very good vrm heatsinks, and with some patience, you can oc ram with titght timings and undervolt (maybe even oc with uv) cpu beyond for great low temps, also good b550 mobo like ds3h are also under 100$ if you want pcie 4 benefits on gpu and nvme.
Bro you could easily play ag 144 h,
You should grab a 2k monitor there are plenty available in budget
Thanks guys for recommending 2k monitor, problem is i got this 1080p monitor just about a year ago, when i still had old setup, and it was still huge improvement from my 768p tv lol, because it being ips and having freesync (over displayport on 1060) will get new monitor some time later..
I was running a 5600 X paired with an RX6950XT for a while and for single player titles in 1440P it was usually almost maxing out the GPU, wasn't quite getting a 100% in all loads but it wouldn't dip much below 80% usage.
Still a very strong processor, I did upgrade to the 5800X3D and that has definitely been an improvement in some games and just keeping that GPU usage maxed out especially, when I started doing some raytracing the extra cores and extra capacity of the 5800X3D did stand out.
I definitely was still having a great gaming experience with the 5600x at 1440P with a then high-end now upper mid-range GPU.
your gpu will always max out unless you set a fps limit. Set it to your monitos refresh rate if it can handle it and then your gpu will not max out all the time.
@@Maddsyz27 uh no? your gpu can only render as many frames as the cpu provides it. if the cpu is too slow the gpu wont hit 100% usage.
@@Maddsyz27 LMAO, no it won't. If you have a CPU bottleneck you're going to be stuck seeing your GPU below 99% utilization
@@Maddsyz27 Steve JUST spelled it out so clearly that even the slow-pokes on the back row can see it... and yet here we are with you spouting nonsense because you don't pay attention.
I currently have a 5600 + 6900 XT also playing single player games, great experience so far at around 90%+ usage, sometimes it drops to 80%+ too, not upgrading for now, maybe later to a 8800X3d or something far down the line
With PBO at 4.65GHz and a cheap air cooler this CPU still rocks!
My 5600x hits 4.85ghz with pbo
Don't bother overclocking it past that anyway. No gains and just gets hotter
@@connectingupthedots Yes, because it has a higher baseclock^^
my 5600 non x does 4.7@1.2 V up to 4.8 all cores
Meh, not real difference on most recent games, kinda useless oc.
Title : How slow is the Ryzen 5600
Me still gaming on a FX : 👁️👄👁️
Edit : oh wow the responses 🤣.
For anyone wondering why I'm still on a FX in 2024, it's because I built that PC in 2013. It wasn't bad then, and it's still pretty OK today.
I planned to upgrade it to Ryzen in 2021, but high parts price and life problems delayed it until now. It's only now that things have began to calm down that I began to plan for a PC upgrade. 🤣
Feel for you, not long ago I was on Intel Q6600
And I am gonna buy a ryzen 5 5500H which is a fucking unknown cpu 😂 its coming in a laptop with an rtx 2050 😂😂 but hey it'll do what I need it to and it comes under my budget so it's all good!
Still rocking a 1055t lol.
@@rchgmer863 ohh yea those very low end of the line budget laptops with the cutdown 3050 (2050) and a more cutdown version of 5600H which is 5500H man! youd better off building a pc than buying that junk "gaming" laptop! 😂
@@thomasdorey3296 shout out to Phenom II x6 1055t though, a lovely chip that came at like 230 bucks in 2010 as i remember it and was pretty damn powerful if you knew hot to multitask, ran it as my main axe for ~5 years i think :D
i had one an asus board that could bus clock like a monster (since that cpu model was muliplier locked) and could run all 6 cores from 2.80 -> 3.85 ghz, on a big ass 140 mm tower air cooler,
even though i had to thread into danger zones of cranking the PCIe clock to 108% orso, as there were only so many steps you could choose as a divider without totally making the ram speed suffer, shit still had northbridges back then and there was a bit more interlocking lol
that's when overclocking still mattered a bit lol
i still have it sitting in a board somewhere in a shelf as a relic :D
Would be great to see 5700X3D or 5800X3D in this tests, to see is there a reason to go to AM5 or stay on AM4 with X3Ds.
about the same performance as the 7600, So stay only if you are on the platform b450/b550 x470/x570
5800x3d is strong still. With 4090 I have like 15-20% performance loss compared to 7800x3d or 14900k
@@allofyourdreamsmmmh my r7-5800x with 5GHz pbo and undervolt beats the 7600 so i guess the x3D are a lot faster than that 😂
@@allofyourdreams the 5600x3d about matches the 7600, the 5800x3d is about 10% faster tho
1080p if 7800x3d yes, anything else is a hard no
1440p no to all
2160p no to all
5600 still remains the best value IMO. The spiritual successor to the 1600AF
@FreshStew Deals can vary depending on where the buyer lives.
@FreshStewAM4 is a way better platform than LGA1700.
What you meant to say is that the upgrade path is "better", but at what cost? You might as well go for AM5 if you're building from scratch. The 5600 can be put in a 7 year old motherboard, you won't get that with an Intel-platform.
not realy if you look at the benchmarks , the 7600 cost like 50$ more so better off getting that , get way more performance , buying a 5600 in 2024 is a real bad decision
@@Deathscythe91 unless u are on ryzen 3000 or older. i got a 5600 for 115$ and got like a 30-50%fps uplift depending on the game compared to my 3700x
The 1600AF that no one could buy?
my build: ryzen 5 5600, 32GB RAM 3600 MTs, MSI B550 carbon wifi, RTX 4080 super, Warzone quality: Balanced, Average: 297 fps, monitor 2K 240Hz
I have a 5600, just sold my RX5600XT today. Planning to upgrade to atleast RX6800. Thanks for this video!
Nice choice
@@puffyips got the sapphire rx6800 yesterday and playing with uv oc and fancruve today!
You might describe it as, “what performance to expect when upgrading your GPU before your CPU platform”
currently on a ryzen 5600 rtx 4070 super build at 1440p, cpu bottleneck can be seen sometimes but nothing atrocious, expecially when i paid 120 euros for that cpu lol, looking to upgrade to new ryzens, which should have huge IPC increases
Might as well get 5800x3d if not planning to upgrade gpu.
Just throw a 5800X3D in there. It's more than fine for a 4070 Super, it's super efficient as far as power/heat and you should have a good pairing for the rest of this console gen including the PS5 Pro refresh. Wait until the next gen console tech to invest in a whole new platform, water cooling imo.
Been using 5600 + 4070 Ti combo for a year. I tuned RAM (3800MHz/CL16 + tightened subtimings). That way 5600 rarely becomes bottleneck for this card at 1440p. It can provide 60+ fps in all modern games, except few seriously unoptimzed ones, like Hogwarts Legacy, SWJS and of course DD2. But, since even 5800X3D can not offer 60+ fps experience in these games, I am not going to upgrade 5600 until the release of Zen 5 and new Intel CPUs.
Hmmm nah, i would like to shift to AM5 for futureproofing@@dagnisnierlins188
Perfect combination - 5600 just have some minor bottleneck in 1440p, at 4k 5600 can even feed 4070tis. For better GPU u need AM5. And the review is more than perfect for CPU buying guide. IF U use card slower than 4080/7900xtx 7800x3d not needed. 7700 for $250 will do the job without bottleneck till 4070tis/7900xt
6750xt + 5600 on an OG b350 motherboard from like 2017......its amazing.
1080p or 1440p monitor ?
Original build was a R5 1600
@@laloajuria4678 cheap am4 platform from 2017 is still rocks with zen3, meanwhile expensive z170 from intel were already dead back in 2020
I have 5600x + 6650xt on a b550, I get 60fps+ for all the games I play on 1440p. I use FSR on all of the games except the FPS games.
You still got one upgrade left before you max out the am4 skill tree. 5800x3d
Thanks for the info! I'm running a 5600x with a rx6800 on a 144hrz 2k Ultrawide monitor, and for the most part i am GPU bound in the plethora of games i play. Upgrading on this platform doesn't make much sense when the cost could be put into a platform upgrade. this video is super helpful and I'm sure i could see some uptick in performance with a gpu upgrade for the few games I'm not able to max out my fps on, but not enough to make it worthwhile for my use case.... but if i had a higher refresh rate monitor and more into competitive games it could be a huge upgrade getting a better CPU and GPU combo.
I have a 5600 paired with an rx 6800. I play in 4k. I would say it's a quite balanced config. I think i will switch to AM5 in the future instead of upgrading my cpu to a 5800x3d.
same there is also another 5700x3d which is available, same route going right now
How is it? I have the 6800xt for my son and I'm planning on getting the 5600 for him to pair it with that card cuz he has a ryzen 5 2600 at the moment but he is playing Elden ring and I want to know if the 5600 with the rx 6800xt can keep up for a couple more year for him with the upcoming games.
@@RaykingSamurai I think it would be okay for the 6800 xt for most of the time. You would feel a nice perf bump from the 2600. I switched from a 2700 and its' quite a bit faster even at 4k due to the Smart Access Memory support which the 2000 series doesn't support. Just don't forget to turn it on when you instell the new CPU.
@@rozsapeter4577 thanks
@@ericsonbernabe7987 I always buy a new vga when i can double the performance for a reasonable price and for that card i think even a 5800x3d wouldn't be enough. Thats my logic. I was a little overboard now because i switched from a gtx 1060 6gb and in 4k the 6800 can pump out about 4-5 times more fps depending on the game. E:G. in FH5 4k extreme i went from 16 to 70 fps.
This is a great test. It would have been very interesting with the 5700X3D or 5800X3D in there as well.
5800X3D is aproximately an i7-12700K or i5-13600K.
I upgraded from 5600x to 5800x3D and the difference was quite big, sometimes even in 4k. But the best thing was how much the micro stuttering and stuttering improved in games that were prone to it. Except maybe star wars and other games in UE4 :D Gpu is RTX 3090
I bought a B550M, DDR4 8x2 3600mhz CL18 and a Ryzen 5600 for my girlfriend a few days ago. Waiting for it to arrive, hoping she likes her gift, she has no idea. ;) She's currently running I7-4790K right now.
Thanks for the video!
seeing my CPU in the video, looking to upgrade to an ultrawide and gpu, this 4K data was really, really helpful. Thank you
This and your other CPU scaling benchmarks are really useful, love seeing more of these types of benchmarks
Wow, I have to say I didn’t expect these results. I currently run a 5800x3d with a 4090 at 3440x1440. I mostly play Warzone, but do dabble with Starfield and Alan Wake 2. I’ve found for the most part, gaming to mostly be smooth, I’m just trying to stretch the 5800x3d out until next year for the 9800x3d. I did some comparisons with a mate running the same set up, but with a 7800x3d and DDR5 5600. At the same settings, (IceManIsaac’s) on average he was getting 10% higher fps. I was fine with this a my monitor caps out at 175hz anyway so I just cap to that. The main reason I got a 4090 was for ray traced games, but so far only Alan Wake 2 has really stretched it (couldn’t get in to Cybrepunk). Now I’ve seen these results I might have to check out some benchmarks with Alan Wake 2 and just make sure I’m not overly handy capping my GPU.
Thanks for this one, it was great! I'm Running the 5600 with a 7900XTX Red Devil in 4K 60-120fps.
Me too, 5600x, 7900 xtx red devil in 3440x1440, am pretty happy about it 🤗
The best tool is what you have and what you can afford.
Yes, it is enough.
Yes
Yes, people are just trying to find excuses to be irresponsible financially
oh yes, definitely XD
That's why I really am happy with AM4 platform, I can make "installment" by buying Ryzen 5 then proceed to cheap Ryzen 7 in the future.
@@VideosVlogsThatsIt Found a writeup I did on a previous video, on why it can matter when building a new system. or upgrading an old one. (this data is really hard to come by)
Do you think you guys could do CPU+GPU bottleneck testing comparisons for a set budget? Let's say you're building a PC $1500 USD if I get a i3 13400, and a 4070Ti would I be better off than if I got a 14600k and I 4060 for example. Or, if I had an older PC how far could I spend on a GPU before I upgrade my CPU? All normal benchmarks separate this aspect for proper testing. But in the real world the limit is usually the budget. So seeing how low you can go on the CPU before you run into issues would be interesting. I'd guess the main issues would show up at 1080p. I think you technically did a video like this before (3600 + 3080), but an update would be nice. Hardware Canucks also did a video like this. If I explained what I meant horribly it was called "4090 trashes older ryzen cpus" I guess the easiest way to test would be to just run the all CPUs with different priced GPUs that way the data can be universal for anyone's budget. Would certainly be an insane amount of work though.
I'm very rich, not a problem for me
Thanks for the extra round of testing HWboxed team was debating if it really made sense to upgrade the 5600 I have to a 5800x3d for 1440p gaming before the parts are discontinued.
I think this video sealed the deal for me.
When I upgraded to the 5600, I also upgraded from a HDD to a gen4 M.2 SSD. I can't even describe the level of improvement I got out of these two hardware components!
I have the 5600x with 7800xt and this vid gave me the peace of mind. Thank you!
These videos help as evidence for assessing CPU/GPU combos and how you budget for future upgrades. Thanks for this level of detail in your analysis videos.
Love your work!
The CS2 benchmarks are super helpful as judging where the bottleneck will be is very difficult + frequent updates keep changing performance.
Would you consider adding another test pass with 'competitive settings' in the future? Such as 1280 x 960 with everything low except shadows?
I would’ve liked 5800x3d to be included. Good review, but I think most of the 5600 users are looking for a 5800x3d upgrade. Also fsr/performance review, bc most of the times 1440 gets more relevant when upscaling kicks in.
I've already made the 5600 to 5800X3D upgrade video.
@@Hardwareunboxed Yeah, but it would be nice to see if it’s worth upgrading to AM5 now for the newer games. I really appreciate your work, don’t get me wrong.
@@attilahajbel6401 this video is just a month old :) ruclips.net/video/7L9rPNSuPCA/видео.html
But this is 5600 X3D
@@attilahajbel6401 what do you mean?
in my old pc I have the Ryzen 5 5600 & RTX 3070Ti it is an amazing combination.
So basically if you game in 4k, it's more important to have a good gpu and 1080p a good cpu is more important.
Someone with 5800x3D + RTX 4080 Super and playing on a 4k 120 Hz + 1440p ultrawide 175 Hz (both OLED). There's little to no need to upgrade the CPU. Maybe when upgrading the monitor, but then I would wait for the next gen AMD 3DX CPU.
Recently bought a RTX 4070 Super and my 5700X is struggling to keep up at 1440p with DLSS Quality mode enabled. I see GPU usage dropping down to 70% in some newer games. Contemplating going AM5 with a 7800X3D
Seen more people selling these off to CEX. Maybe ride it out till AMD Ryzen 5 9600X, Ryzen 7 9700X reviews later this year. See if the even bigger jump in performance and price is worth it.
I started with a 5600 + 6600 in 2022 when prices were finally going down, I was looking to upgrade as I bought a 180hz 1440p monitor so wanted to get a 6800-6800 XT, found a killer deal on a barely used 6900 XT tho, so far I'm pretty happy with this combo, most games I play are capped at 60 fps and I just unlocked the cap for one, limiting it to 144Hz, definitely worth it while saving some money. Will try more without the fps limit and see how it goes though I'm sure the performance will be enough for me until I decide to upgrade to a 8800X3D or smt
Am still running a Ryzen 5 3600 lol
I have a 5600x and I actually was gonna get a 4080 super but none that were in stock would fit in my case so I got the 4070 ti super
Just built 3 rigs with the 5600 for gaming with a 3060 12GB.
Those first few results had me worried after upgrading from 5600x with 3080 to 7800x3d with 4080S. But especially with result like Spiderman it seems a wise (if not frugal) upgrade for how I play at 4K with RT. On Alan Wake 2 being able to hit 60fps (just) with that combo has allowed me to also turn on framegen and get 80-100fps performance with path tracing even.
If I'd known what I know now however, I never would have bought a 4K HDMI 2.1 OLED TV in 2019 and would have got a 1440p monitor to keep hardware costs down and still get a cutting edge experience.
So what you are saying is R5 5600 is amazing budget 4k CPU?? :)
If you are trying to game at 4k, you are not going to get far with a "budget" gpu. Any gpu capable of running 4k comfortably will blow up the total system cost so much that it does not make much sense to talk about a budget 4k gaming system anyway, so might as well spend a bit extra on the cpu as well.
@@mingyi456 you say that, but I built a system with a 5600 and a 4080. Seems crazy to most people but saving the money on CPU and going with AM4 meant that I could put a decent bit more money into the GPU which was more important to me aiming for 4k60.
So far it's done great, I can crank all settings to max and get a solid 60fps on pretty much every game outside cyberpunk.
I do 4k 60 on my 4070ti in basically every game at high settings with some drops since I'm using a older CPU @@jonnybowdenfitness9558
@@jonnybowdenfitness9558 I did not mean that pairing a 5600 (or any other budget/value cpu) with a powerful gpu is crazy by any means, just that it does not really make sense to call any 4k capable system "budget".
So in your example, the 4080 costs 1k usd and I shall assume you needed to spend at least 300 usd for the cpu, motherboard and rest of the system, and so the total system cost is not exactly "budget" after all, unless you somehow scored a deal on the 4080 (I consider
@@mingyi456 ah yeah I get it and agree, no way a 1k+ system can be considered "budget". I was thinking more of doing 4k on as little budget as possible!
Steve, please be my father.
LMAO
🤨🤨🤨📸📸📸
x2
Fatherless behaviour!!!
wait what?
Very interesting, so I made a good choice because I have an AMD 5600x and I recently picked up an AMD 7800xt Sapphire Nitro. And as this card is close to the 4070ti, I made a good combination of price and performance, leaving nothing unused. 👑
Could have included the 5xxx x3d aswell, we would have a easy to check tool in order to see if its worth to do a CPU only upgrade in the current rig or just wait more to make a full system upgrade.
This is really interesting content, thank you.
Btw- since literally everyone asked, I run 5800x3d w/ 6900xt and 3200 cl18? 32gb ram, m2 nvme etc.
Is driver overhead still a thing on low end CPU's when comparing AMD and Nvidia? If so, it Would be interesting comparing the rtx4080 to the 7900xtx on a CPU like the ryzen5600.
Thanks for this Steve, can we also see such a comparison with a 7900XTX since that has much less CPU overhead than GeForce drivers do?
Also, if possible, seeing a 5800X3D in the charts as well would be nice.
I like that you are putting CS2 in the games tested as it is a game that me and many of my friends grind and seeing the stats is awesome. Usually you do a lot of single player or highly graphics games, so seeing a FPS in there is great!
Goated CPU.
I am still running 1600x, probably gonna get 5600 or 5700x at some point. God bless AM4
When I first built my PC I got a Ryzen 3 1200 to upgrade it later and went with 3600 and now waiting for a discount on 5800X3D to upgrade on the same X370 motherboard. AM4 is perfection.
I understand the love. I went from 1600x to 5600x and I love it. But at this point for upgradeability for you, I'd go to am5. For cheaper upgrading later.
r7 5700x3d if u gaming is pretty nice , very easy to cool , and dont need high end mobo :D
get a 5700x3d or a 5800x3d , the fps increase is mind blowing and way more worth it
better go for the x3d cpus
My system is 5600 rtx 4070 , and I only game at 4k, to get rid of cpu+ram(2400mhz)+pcie3(b450m) bottlenecks , and with the help of dlss it reduces the vram consumption by 2-3gb vram for almost the same quality as native. 👍
Currently playing forbidden west at 4k hdr max + dlss balanced ,52 fps locked. 👌
You know that you are rendering at 1080p and not 4k. So there is still bottleneck.
Have you considered running at 1800p DLSS, just to get it above the 60? Or even 2040p or 1920p? I realise you're probably running in G-Sync, but still...
@@thegreathadoken6808 It's pointless to get it above 60 fps in single player games. I've always locked the fps to save power, and avoid instability , and 1440p native is just too soft for my liking. In competitive games ,sure I'd use 1080p medium like cs2, and dota 2 but not single player titles.
@@विचित्रलड़का so far I haven't had any. Except cyberpunk but it can be fixed by enabling FG.
I several months ago went from a fx8320 to a 5600....for me this was a huge improvement. I then went from a gtx970 to a rx5700 xt and that was an even bigger improvement. I am happy with my PC for now. I may move to AM5 later, but for now I am happy with what my PC is able to do.
1440p player here, upgraded my PC 2 weeks ago to 4080 Super & 7800X3D and am super satisfied... especially after seeing this video afterward.
Ok so I paired my 5600X with 6950 xt and I use a 4K 144 hz monitor. Was thinking about swapping out the CPU. But that test shows that in my case it would be throwing money to the trash. Thanks Steve!
I upgraded to an X3D with that gpu, and I did notice quite a difference in some titles. 4k, 1800p not so much, but definitely for 1080p/1440p
if u can spare for 3d chips like 5700x3d or 5800x3d it would be improvement but at 4k maybe not Worth for you
@@tollph3314 I think I will wait it out for new generation of AM5 chips and than just swap out the whole platform. I dont feel like investing into AM4.
You can get away with it but selling the 5600X for a 5700X3D or 5800X3D also wouldn't be a bad idea. It depends what games you play though.
@@vigilant_1934 AAA like Cyberpunk and RDR2 and from the esport titles only League of Legends. In 4K I am always GPU restricted in AAA and League works on the 144 fps locked with the system not even noticing that something is beeing rendered ;)
It shows how bad nvidias overhead is. Radeon cards dont have this problem to the same degree.
What does driver overhead means?
@@Jakiyyyyyit means the CPU is being used more with a Nvidia gpu vs an AMD one. Which means you might get less FPS in a game if you're being CPU bottlenecked
@@AKK5I"CPU being used more". It doesnt really sound like you actually understand the technical reasoning for this because a CPU being more utilized translates to higher thread usage which translates to higher performance. Please give a better explanation.
@@Stardomplay He meant the GPU drivers use the CPU more, that leaves less CPU performance for the game.
As in the CPU has to do more work to achieve the same result. And if there isn't enough CPU headroom it will result in lower performance
@@Stardomplay Don't quote me on this. But i think it's something like, the frame scheduling is done on the GPU with AMD GPU's, and on the CPU with nvidia GPU's. This puts extra load on the CPU which in turn reduces performance if you're already CPU bottlenecked.
I've been meaning to upgrade my CPU for a long time now, but the issue is that this would include upgrading my motherboard... I have a 9700k and had been eyeing the Ryzen 7 7800x3d.
But my gut has been telling me to see if upgrading my gpu to one with higher vram would have more tangible results.
Now that it seems like a clear yes, I'm beginning to wonder just how long i can prolong the headache of a mobo upgrade 😅
On a short note, I upgraded my combo 5600X/32GB 3200 CL16/3080Ti 27" 1440p to 7700/32GB 6400 CL30/retained 3080Ti and 32" 4K, and with optimised PBO+CO (5.2-5.3Ghz All core and 5.5Ghz Single core), and when using Nukems or LukeFZ frame generation mods in AAA games like AW2/Starfield/LOTF/Elden Ring/CyberPunk I am able to play 4K DLSS/FSR on Balanced with High/Ultra settings & RT On (60+ frames). So far the combo is good, and definitely for 1440p for games to come.
So, absolutely no reason for me to Upgrade yet. 5600X is enough, and by the time it isn't, the market will have even better CPUs or the 7000 series will be much more affordable :)
I think that the 7600 + 4080 and 5700X3D + 4080 combos are some pretty important missing data.
I get the reason behind 7600 + 4070ti and 7800X3D + 4070 but IMO "the sensible AM5 option" and "what can a CPU upgrade do over the 5600" are way more relevant.
Absolutely, I am 100% satisfied with the 5600, but I would upgrade to a 5700x3d or 5800x3d for a smoother experience
@@Howlsowlssame here.
I got the 5600x so cheap, that it allowed me to budget a 4080 into my setup. Getting a tier better GPU is far more noticeable on high resolution gaming, than getting the better CPU.
I don’t experience major bottlenecks on 3440x1440p, but I’ve been eying the 5700x3d to extend my AM4 life.
@@onedriftyboy i guess it would be the way to go having a 4080, but I dont think am4 is gonna live a lot longer since the next gen is gonna beat ryzen 7000 by 40%. I think ill wait a few years to make the shift tho
recentyly upgraded GTX970 sitting on a I74790K to an GTX1080 and a few weeks later to an RTX4070 super just to see how bad it will be. Gaming in 1440p. Right now performance is slightly above GTX1080. Did hurt to replace my old PC, because it's still fairly fast, just not as much for gaming. And also spending addidional £2000 did hurt
You guys should have added also Ryzen 5800x3d in the lineup to test the best what previous platform AM4 has to offer. To see if it's really worth it to upgrade the entire playform, cpu ,ram,mb etc. for AM5... anyway good job!
How are the Ryzen 3000 series holding up? would be an interesting video from the 3200g up until the 3900/3950x with a 4070 super
Just turfed my 5600 for a 5700x3d... Will be watching with bated breath to see if my decision was a bad one! 😂
I did replaced my 3700X with a 5700X3D . It cost 3/4 the price of a 5800X3D in my country , so its a no brainer to go with a 5700X3D for me.
I plan to do the same upgrade. Whats your experience so far? And what resolution are you playing at?
@@Severyn123 it depends. For CS2 I play 4:3 stretch @960p and get about 350+ fps. This is about 2x improvement over the 5600. But for GPU intensive gaming at 1440p it depends on the game. I'm also playing Call of the Wild: The Angler and whilst there are more GPU bound games, at 1440p ultra I'm getting between 80-100fps or thereabouts. Thing is, the 1% lows are about 70-80fps as well... So the experience feels smoother compared to the 5600. I'm not sure if that is real or just copium... Either way I'm very happy with the purchase. GPU is a 6800 non-XT for the record...
I did the same with 5800x3d bcs i have 240hz screen and gains are obvious and quite big..
@@PC_Ringo thank you for sharing your experience! I have a similar setup (1440p with 7800xt) and play multiplayer and single player games so I probably need to see myself which games will benefit the most. I agree that the strongest impact will be on the 1% lows!
I can't tell you how much I appreciate this particular video. Just cutting through all of the technical stuff and saying which GPU's are best suited for this CPU really helps me and I hope you guys do it more often. Thank you!
Still have my Ryzen 5 5600 combined with a RX 6700 XT. For my needs thats enough to work with. The next CPU/GPU upgrade will not before another 1 to 2 years
Conclusion: go for 4k so CPU doesn’t matter
My prediction. It's fine.
in benchmark at 1080p is not fine
Only at 4K and not with RT seems to be the answer. But still a decent chip for a midrange system.
@@silvio3dSeems to be good enough for 60 FPS in most cases.
I was running this exact setup (5600 + 4080) for over half a year. I upgraded the GPU in my existing PC while keeping the 5600. I was afraid of bottlenecks but it was working fantastic. Still, I got a chance to upgrade for cheap to the 5800X3D (I didn't feel like I want or need more performance, the 5600 was totally fine, but the deal was too good to pass up) and my performance, of course, increased substantially.
Still, the 5600, for the price, is shockingly good even with a high end GPU like the 4080
I have a 5600 paired with a Radeon 6750XT on a 1440p 165Hz monitor and I think I nailed it considering the budget I had. I'm pretty happy with it, but the next step will probably be AM5 and my younger sister will inherit this PC.
I ran a 5500 with a 7800xt. Can easily do 80 fps in cyberpunk at 1440p. People kept telling me how much I bottleneck my PC without having any clue what I play or do with my PC.
Does 5600 with 7800 xt on b450 motherboard bottleneck at 1440p resolution??
At what settings do you get 80fps in cyberpunk? I run cyberpunk at around 170fps average in 1440 with high settings on my 7800X3D and 7900XTX. The 7900XTX is far from 100% faster than the 7800XT.
@@Audiosan79he’s likely CPU limited
Of course everything depends on what games you play because we don't play your games and you don't play our games!
@@Audiosan79 iirc I play(ed) at max settings with rt on except for lighting. I used xess as well.
The 5500 can easily do 120fps but only inside of buildings and with rt off and no upscaling. Outside on the street it falls back to 80fps.
5600x is pretty solid, curious how this stacks up
at maximum 10% better?...... its not like from 5600 to 5600x is going to be a whole different world of fps LOL
the cpus are practically identical
5600X is ~4% higher clocked then a 5600, so you may see somehow 2-3% better FPS.
Or you easily overclock the 5600 to the clock of an X.
There is no surprise hidden in that story.
5600x is actually the same as 5600, only +200MHz higher clocks on base and turbo boost
OH yeah well if u overclock ur 5600 to my 5600x ill underclock my 5600x to your..... wait a minute @@1_2_die2
I just ordered a R5 5600 to upgrade my 1600. i'm expecting a lot of years of use just like my 1600. maybe even skipping AM5
thought about the 5700x3d but it was 3x the price of the 5600 so it didn't make sense for me
Wouldn't it have made more sense to also include a 7900XTX because of AMD being less CPU limiting?
Not really, it would have just complicated the results for no real benefit.
I have a 7900xt paired with a 5600x, and in 1440p I see slight CPU bottlenecks in most games I play still
R5 5600 is not slow for gaming to be honestXD
And using 4080 for 1080p gaming is a waste for the 4080 XD
Anyway, good review
Well it depends whether you want massive refresh rates or not. I certainly prefer 120fps or better. God knows, if I had a monitor capable of 360fps, I might prefer that too.
First of all, for a gaming computer it is better to have the most powerful video card that you can afford. Simply because replacing the processor with a more powerful one will cost much less than having a top processor, but the video card will be of an average or even low level. In addition, video cards become obsolete much faster than processors. So the 4080 paired with the 5600 is quite an adequate build. Simply because it will be possible to upgrade the processor to 5700X3D/5800X3D.
@@BigOuterHeavenIt's a lot more nuanced than that. Being processor bottlenecked typically means you're going to "enjoy" some nasty stutters and 1% lows. It's better to be GPU bottlenecked for a bit so you can tweak the settings and/or lower the settings. But obviously this really depends on your situation (fps, budget, resolution, games, etc.)
I just bought the 5600 to replace my 2700X since I noticed that I have massive frame drop while playing Assetto Corsa with more than 20 cars online. I went from barely hanging at 60 FPS (and sometimes dropping to 40ish) to constant 60 FPS even when there is plenty of cars.
Some might say that going from an 2700X to 5600 is not a great decision but I got the processor for around $100 so I think it's good enough for years to come. Just need a better GPU and I might still be able to game comfortably even for the next 4-5 years before the CPU really become the huge bottleneck.
Flickshots are the META for dominating a fight in sub 30 fps in Fortnite: since you only ever need a single frame and a fast flick of the wrist to hit a perfect shot. I used to play on 6-15fps for a few years, and after upgrading I realized I had development no tracking skill at all, but was excellent at flicking (shotguns, snipers, even the AR I would move away from target and flick to heads, then repeat instead of tracking).
terrified that within a few months there will be a "How Slow Is The Ryzen 7 5700X For 2024 Gaming?" and my 5700X wont be fast enough 😢
The 5700x/5800x have the same performance in gaming as the 5600. Cores dont matter that much in gaming.
That being said just play in 1440p/4K and your GPU will be 100% utilized no matter what even if you have a 5600, hell even if you had a 3600 it would probably even be fine
It will be fine imo. I have one too and don't intend to upgrade for years.
It all depends on what you match it with and what you expect?
@@toad7395 the 5800x will perform slightly better due to higher clock and more l2 cache, even if its only like 5%
I have a 5700x with rx 6800 and the performance irl is about the same as my 7600+7800xt playing games not looking at numbers only reason i didnt go 7800x3d as seen in this video at 7800xt level of gfx there is really no difference (also think its too late in zen4 cycle to not wait for the zen5 x3d's
No one plays Starfield.
Weird and wildly wrong comment
I buied an 5800X3D few weeks ago, during a price drop on a local store (275€) jumped from a 5600X to 5800X3D, paired with a 7800XT and have to say i notice an upgrade, not only in FPS, but also (and more important to me) a better and more stable frame rate.
Im pretty glad i did the purchase and IMO the 5800X3D still is a great CPU in 2024.
I had a Ryzen 5 5600x with an RTX 3080 and even with that GPU I felt a big jump in performance when I upgraded to a Ryzen 7 5800X3D and since then I bought an RTX 4080 and it is a great combo.
Fun fact, 5600 is a more powerful gaming CPU than the 3.85Ghz PS5 pro zen 2 processor. And it's just 100-120$ 😎😎
Yup, I think PS5 Pro will have same performance as 5700 Zen3..
@@eswecto6074no. It's still a zen 2 processor limited by its architecture. Probably around 10% from the base ps5. But ps5 is gpu limited anyway, so a GPU upgraded is needed more than CPU. Plus, compatibility is needed for the same gen console.
even 3600 is better then ps5 cpu, its like mobile zen2 with cutted l3 cache.
@@eswecto6074 ps5 pro will have the same cpu but slightly overclocked
I'm heavy multitasker so i had to go with 5600X (found cheap), already had 3060 ti so i'm probably going to stick with this set for years... xD
Wow, that's insane lol. I plan to upgrade to a 5600 from a 2600 sometime this year.
You guys should start including helldivers! It's going to be a game played for years!
I bought the 5600x a month after its release in 2020, I'm still holding onto it. I think for my use case it's fine, I've got it paired with a 3060 ti, I'm guessing there's no bottleneck up until the rtx 3080/4070, which is still fine, I game at 1080p still. It wasn't cheap back on release in my country, but I feel like it's aging better than my previous i5 4690k that I've had from late 2015 until 2020, as soon as Ryzen came out, 4c/4t processors were on their way out.
Why you paid more for -15fps and stutter?
This shows how important the CPU is, people often put too little CPU with too much GPU
i find it kinda bs that he put a 4080 with it.. most people get that cpu with 60/70 class cards or below
@@glordium1951So the test is cpu limited and not gpu
Eh sure, but often 60fps is just fine for people too for games designed around lower framerates anyway.
The 5600 will more or less do everything the consoles can with a 60fps limit (usually more as its single thread performance is much stronger). In competitive titles its average is comfortably 120+, that's plenty for most people.
Also consider the CPU + platform cost for the 5600 is a small fraction what a 7800X3D will set you back, it's a lot more than 50% more money for 50% more performance.
Personally, I don't find it worthwhile for me to upgrade my CPU unless it can comfortably do double what the consoles can for a reasonable price. Eg. If GTA VI is designed for a 30FPS limit on the consoles maxing out the 3700(non-X equivalent) CPU for all it's worth, then you won't be able to make a steady 60FPS happen with anything less than the absolute fastest PC CPU right now, and it's not that important to me.
@@InnuendoXP that is also why is important to have a good CPU from the start, because changing the CPU is often more costly and difficult than just swap your GPU
nah, these tests are also very heavily oriented towards cpu bound scenarios, i mean 4/5 single player games shown in this vid are notoriously cpu heavy. I mean fair enough i guess, but there are plenty of games which will show very different results, for example robocop, allan wake 2, stray, scorn, cyberpunk liberty city + RT, brother a tale of two sons remake, diablo 4 and so on
Thank you very much for this comparison. As I wrote recently, if we take 7600 and 7800x3d with a slightly weaker GPU (compared to 4090), the results at 1440p and higher will be very similar. Of course, not in every title, but in most of them. Thank you very much for confirming my thesis.
Recently I bought a 500 usd pc build with this processor. The only thing I didnt upgrade was the GPU tho, and I'm planing to go used market on that. So something in the lines rtx 3070 would be fine and tbh unless you are hardcore you don't need that much. Standard rtx4080 price is around 1200 usd. I'm not ready to break bank yet.
An upgrade to a Ryzen 7 5700X3D would resolve this bottleneck without needing to change all the platform.
Thank you, Captain Obvious. Clearly the $250 CPU is going to be much less bottlenecked than the $100 one.
What isn't clear to you is that if you're shopping at this level, $125-150 is a huge difference for the overall build. That cost could bring you up 30-50% in performance, and it would be stupid to buy a $250 CPU with a $300 GPU vs buying the $100-120 CPU with the $430-450.
I literally bought my i7-12700K for 330 and AMD was charging 400 USD for the 5800X3D.
The 5700X3D is better perfomance per dollar than a 5800X3D but is still meh. Ryzen 7 5800X must be cheaper than both.
You should have included the 5700X3D and 5800X3D
should be equal to 7600
@@nannnanaabut it's still DDR4 vs DDR5. But yeah, they should have included the 5700X3D / 5800X3D.
Nothing wrong being a bit lagging on the tech front, but wisely. Upgraded 10mo ago from 2600 to 5600, with a 2060 super, I did not needed it, could have waited,, but I was preparing for certain games and a future GPU. I am still playing old stuff mixed with some newer games and having a blast. Gaming for someone like me, that plays 1 or 2 days per week does not have to be expensive. I still have room for a 4070/7700 xt level gpu upgrade
And yet I'm still using ryzen 3 1200 overclocked to the 3.9 ghz and gtx 1060 with 6 gb vram , still superb performance 😂
alternative title: how bad at optimization have game devs gotten?
It’s honestly very hard to actually bottleneck a CPU from the latest 2-3gen for normal gaming workloads in a significant manner😩
False!
This video shows the CPU being bottlenecked hard
@@theanimerapper6351The Ryzen 5 5600 and 5600X never were fast to begin with, the 5600X had a higher price than a 10700K and the latter did win in 1% lows for some games.
It looks like the 5600 and 5600X have very low and inconsistent clocks.
@@StardomplayZen 3 starts to get fast with the Ryzen 7s, anything below a 5800X is pointless.
@@saricubra2867 Zen 3 non 3d cache is horrible. I don't care what anyone says.
My nephew got a PC from his dad with a 2070 and a Ryzen 1600. Gonna buy a 5600 for him. He should be happy with that upgrade!
I would describe what you're doing as creating pc "performance models" giving people an idea of how categories (ie high end, midrange etc..) of hardware when pair together are likely to perform. I have a overclocked 5700x and struggled to nail down how much GPU was ideal to not overpay since I'm planning on keeping that chip for a while. Settled on a rx7800xt in the end
Im early!