'SUPER SONOS' The SVS Prime Wireless Pro is a STATE-OF-THE-ART hi-fi system for $799!
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0:00 Intro
1:14 Looks, cabling
4:17 Drivers, DSP and streaming
6:47 DTS Play-Fi
10:34 vs. Klipsch 'The Fives'?
15:53 Adding a subwoofer
19:49 vs. €1000 hifi system?
20:49 vs. KEF LSX II?
20:56 Final thoughts
24:07 Proper gapless playback, bloopers
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SVS Prime Wireless Pro
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A kick-ass €1000 hi-fi system for 2022
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Would love to know how you think this SVS active 2.1 system compares to studio gear of similar cost (Presonus, KRK, etc). Think looking at studio monitors versus home hi-fi would be very interesting.
Thank you! Appreciate the high level detail in your review, fantastic :)
Would like to see a video of using one of these smaller speaker sets as computer speakers. Like you did with the LSX a while back. I'd love to see a top 5 and set up for setting up a Hi-Fi that lives in an office rather than a living room.
Nice video & review! Glad we finally get some more information on these. They seem pretty great!
Just a thought for the cable management. 1 inch (2.54cm) grey PVC pipe and 45 degree elbows. By putting the cables through the pipe then a elbow and then connect the pipe and elbow without glue and continue with more elbows or pipe until cables are enclosed end to end (well almost end to end because your going to want a little play at each cable end so as not to kink the cables). And by not glueing the fittings and pipe, as your system or cables change it makes it possible to do so without destroying anything. You can also use any size pipe you like.
Love those 2 min snaps at the end pf the video! Thanks a lot, John!
I love watching your stuff, the music sound in your clips sounds so good for You tube. and you just make me want to go and listen to music. Top Stuff..
Liking your video's more and more!
Thanks for the review it appears to be very simple to use and very fun to listen to
Thanks John for an excellent review of what sounds like a fine product. I might consider these for my kitchen, which is currently serviced by a single Sonos Play 5. There was a pair of Dynaudio XEO 3 there before. These sound like a good in-between product with the good qualities of both the Sonos and the Dynaudio
Thanks for the review! I was on the fence with this for my home office setup, looks like I'm going the SVS route.
Love love love SVS and all that they do. Have the Ultra towers, Ultra Center, and round tower sub all in Piano Gloss which I think look stellar! Look forward to seeing and hearing these. Need some for our cottage.
All year, I've been Jonesin' to purchase a pair of Tannoy Gold Eights, an SVS Micro 3000, and an iFi Neo iDSD to tie the room together. Thanks to our Summer's worth of your worthy and agreeable reviews, I am ever more committed to this configuration. Danke (P.S. this shall be for my PC/desk setup)
Great review. I have some prime elevations for my atmos speakers in my home theater - the rest of the home theater is Angstrom wall-mounted speakers. For everything else, I have a whole home Sonos setup. I've bought into the Sonos App experience. However, I have a nook in my dining room that has a bar cabinet with a Samsung frame TV, with a DecoFrame, and I wanted something better looking than a soundbar. So, I put a pair of "the fives" on the bar, which looks very nice. I've added a Sonos port to the setup, so the setup plays whatever is on the Samsung, or plays whatever I'm playing throughout the house. I agree with the bass on the fives, and it took the new app to get it adjusted to where I needed it. It's good now. I also have Klipsch reference 500m's in the garage and a pair of B&W AM1's outside on the patio - all connected to the Sonos system with a Sonos amp. If you go down that rabbit hole of Sonos. It's going to cost a fortune. Anyhow thanks again for the review. SVS is a great company.
Had similar need, having two toddlers had to put off streamer, amp, dac and few ohm Walsh 2000/3000 speakers for Undetermined period. Watched Klipsch fives reviews, checked what was in competition or in similar budget and in 2021 December ordered fives. Exchanges sound-bar with minimalist intrusion in regards to wiring, allows streaming in the room, has enough low end to provide tv programs “sub like bass” with update and app provides balanced sound (cinema like lows) on low volumes, no need to crank high to get effects of tv shown movies. Locally they were 900 eur, amazon from US found for 550 with delivery. With Samsung S95B provides clean view and does not intrude to room space on a TV cabinet (TV wall mounted). In 30 sqm room mids/highs throw is borderline acceptable. We still do not have SVS wireless pro on sale locally, but considering the pricing i have doubts that such type of device should cost 900-1000 eur/usd fives/svs alike. For the price 550 with delivery to Lithuania, it is a value buy, above 650/700 barely used gear from ads could be a better fit.
First off, I really like the continuity you've managed to create between your reviews by using the €1000 hifi as a point of comparison.
Second, I find the use of a proprietary umbilical cable to be clumsy and limiting in terms of speaker placement and cable management. It might make sense to make various lengths of umbilical cable available. However....
I think having a small separate box containing all the electronics would make placement much easier and more flexible. The box could have all electronics-the amplifiers, the DAC, DSP and digital x-over-and would connect to the speakers using readily available speaker cable. The speakers would have two sets of speaker terminals (one for tweeter, one for woofer) and x-over is controlled via DSP. That way you can put the box close to your sources, power outlet, TV, etc.. and then use as long a speaker cable run as you need to place the speakers where you want and conceal the speaker cable.
Such a satisfying review. I’m glad you didn’t fill the whole episode with music, as you really can’t represent the actual sound through headphones. You’ve established benchmarks that most can understand, real world experience, some struggles to consider (cable length, main speaker locked to the right etc). So I own a UE Hyperboom. in Australia is $499. It has a TOSLINK that I use to context to my TV. I was budgeting to buy another as they have the ability to pair wirelessly and work left and right. But for AUD$1099 it seems you’ve shown me is a system that is wholly superior with so much physical connectivity, the buttons on the front to choose Spotify playlist and a physical volume button. Wow! Because it has HDMI (ARC??) I wonder if I change the volume on the TV would it adjust the volume on the SVS? If so, I will sell the Hyperboom tomorrow.
Thanks for a nice review.
I would love for u to also review the SVS Prime Wireless Pro soundbase. Their streaming amplifier
Okay, once again I have learned about a product that without this review
I probably would have had no interest in. My interest is - however, of the
notion that these speakers just might be very good in a "near-field" setting.
I like the look of these speakers and they would look very nice on my rather
(near future/work-in-progress) large desk top. I do enjoy your reviews.
'Futurefi' is certainly making great sounding systems more affordable and easier for the masses. That is something all audiophiles should be excited about. 😊
Couldn't agree more! And we should never forget that Future- Fi isn't taking away anyone's separates system.
@@DarkoAudio The down side is my girlfriend can play music easily with her phone and the Eagles, my Red Hot Chili Peppers, seems to have infected Tidal’s recommended playlist. How can Hotel California be in every random generated playlist? Those pesky algorithms.
Awesome video. Their subs are great.
Thank you for the great review. Can I use these speakers for desktop computer application, listening from 1 to 1.2 meters away?
Been listening to a lot of Holovr this weekend: Schlieben 8, Holo Earth, Lunar Lake….great albums!
I love that wireless branded speakers all have so many more cables dangling around than regular passive speakers lol. I'd much rather have just the speaker cable from each speaker going to a central electronic device point that hides the rest of the cables.
Thanks for the video. Which wireless without a connecting video would you recommend?
Thanks for a a precise review. How would you compare these with elac navis arb-51 ? Both being active speakers !!
Amazing music you are listening
Thank you
Wonder how they do in nearfield scenarios incl the sub
Great review , Thank you. Waiting for some wireless speakers that have room correction. Good way to make this a great streaming speaker is to plug in a sonos port
I like the video and review very much, especially since I am considering The Fives. Do you know when they start selling these speakers? I am in the UK and I can't find any online shop selling the SVS Prime Wireless Pro.
Thank you very much for your work! Really looking forward for a review of the new Triangle Borea 03 Active, and a comment on how they compare to svs!
Was the $799 a pre order price their website has them listed for $899?
The more I see FutureFi systems, the more I’m ready to make the jump and leave all my components behind. I just need to find a nice FutureFi system that has robust room correction. That’s a must for me.
Lyngdorf and bad have the tdai1120 and the m10. John has covered both.
You also have the buchard audio options
Hey, I have a question. I have noticed that you have not talked about any krk rokit system to this point. Is there any reason to? I would be very intrested in a review about the krk rokit 5/8 g3 system.
Any word on when we can expect these to be available? They're not even on SVSs site yet despite this (excellent) video being 2 months old now.
How does the 2.1 setup compare to the nines? That would be an almost equal price comparison.
I checked and they're not even on SVS website yet. When will they be available?
does it work well in close field?
This looks great. I'm shifting to TIDAL so this would make a great option, right? Thought I think it doesn't work with MQA, do you think it's a fundamental characteristic? Another option would be a Bluesound Node through active speakers 🧐
So it’s these vs Sonos play five? What’s your recommendation?
Hi, I have KEF LS50s and wondering what speakers to upgrade to, to hear a difference?
The field for active speakers has grown immensely…since the Audio Engine days. The Triangle Audio AIO Twin Wireless BT WiFi Speakers are next up on my home audition/demo list.
Please share your opinion when you test them as I don't have the opportunity to do so where I live. They also released an active version of borea speakers.
Any news?
I was thinking about these, but bough AudioPro C10 MkII with their sub. Next time I will go for A38.
How do they compare with Q Active 200?
Mr.Darko,
Which one should i buy ?
-svs prime wireless + svs 3000micro
Or
-klipsch seven + svs 3000 micro
Thank you very much Sir 🙏
So these vs Sonos Fives stereo (with sub)?
After some knob twiddling I really like the fives, so much so picked up another pair to use with an svs 1000 pro. To me, they sound how I like to listen to EDM. The SVS were on my short list but I can’t get on with how the look, and that screen is straight out of 2012. I have a nicer OLED screen on my flashlight 😂.
When Those SVS Speakers are gonna be available to buy?
Cool
Red Hot Chilli Pipers lol
Great product!
Do you know what audio quality is used by this Spotify Connect implementation, it uses "Very high" Spotify quality or normal as the TV ?
SVS said:
Since Spotify Connect does not live in Play-Fi, it will stream the quality you choose in the Spotify App.
3:15 If you are not using the DAC in the speaker, with an external DAC (or anything using the analog RCA), you can put the primary speaker on the left by switching the RCAs around so white connects to red and vice versa, but that would mean for the digitals, HDMI ARC, SPDIF, internal streaming board etc, you would have opposite L/R sounds. You might want a meatier sound, i.e schiit modi 3 or refinement with chord mojo (or maybe a more price appropriate DAC to match the speaker). On the other hand, you may be reluctant to do this, as you will be losing all that built in functionality and the internal dac is tailored to the speakers.
Hi, great video and love your channel because of the technology review you include in your videos and not just sound characteristics of the system / speaker. If you liked this set up considering the price point then please see if you can check out def tech 9020 towers paired with sonos amp. With dual subs and sonos ecosystem, it’s hard to pass on this setup. I would like to know your take on it. Cheers!
Hi, did you ever review the bowers & wilkims formation duo’s?
Are these available in the UK? Which retailers are selling these in the UK
This or the Vanatoo Transparent One / T1E??? Can't decide.
Any chance of a review of the PSB Alpha iQ please?
Wireless speakers are full of wires once you try to integrate them into hometheatre systems or vinyl. My take would be to only get them if you are going to just stream music 🙂
Keep banging the drum for gapless John, you're doing a good thing. All manufacturers and streaming providers need to get it in their heads that gapless is a necessity.
It's amusing how much more complex streaming and active is than a tradition hi-fi. Seems to be an instance of one step forward, three steps back.
A traditional hifi doesn't give you access to millions of songs at the click of a smartphone button.
@@DarkoAudio That's true. I do wonder though if the setup/use is complex/nerdy then who are these for? Enthusiasts who like to tinker (and would therefore go the separates route) or the average consumer who would in all likelihood go buy an airPod for quick/easy music and TV streaming..
Any chance you could review the Edifier S3000 Pro or do a comparison against the SVS Prime Wireless Pro?
I second this. Humble request.
You describe these really well, and it isn't that easy. I'm testing them out next to the Q Acoustics M20s - so different - never should have done this. The SVS are very detailed, and the base is deep, but you can also hear the pluck of the strings - it's dynamic. When I listened to Soapkills Tango - those moments where the base kicks in and just runs wild - oh -man!
This doesn't happen with the M20s - that level of detail and dynamics isn't there. But the female voice is so beautifully rendered. But I get the feeling q is tailoring things to their preference, rather than let the recording play out. It is alluring, but subtle details get lost, and dynamics get smoothed. For someone they are right - but I don't think they'll ever get you out of your seat.
With the SVS you can hear the layers, the fingers on the strings , a when things punch up, you get a visceral punch. They're almost always musical , I say "almost" because if you get a bad recording - you hear a bad recording - not SVSs fault, no gloss. They seem to skirt an edge, but they never break up even though I wait for them to be overwhelmed. Nyet comrade, nyet.
And they're not bling, but they're not really ugly - nope. Or maybe - beauty is as beauty does.
How good is SVS in imaging and soundstaging?
That issue pf cables coming out of the primary loud speaker has been dubbed "Cable Vomit" by my GF !😁😁
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What looks interesting about these (and also the accompanying soundbase streaming amp) is the versatility in sources. Using spotify, bluetooth, inputs for daily listening.
But I do see one advantage in having DTS Play-Fi on top of these: if I'm not mistaken you can play a hardwired source from one Play-Fi device (like a record player) and listen on another or multiple other play-fi devices in a multiroom setup, no?
I would love to be able to put on a record in the living room and have it play also in the kitchen or in the garden for example as I walk around the house and I do not se another practical solution for this.
Yes! I really don't want to walk away from the music sometimes. I wish I could get something to tie into my main system (reel tape and vinyl) with sound throughout the house. My father did it (wired) in his old house and now that I'm an old man I understand why.
How about Mission LX Connect to review?
They're also coming out with the SVS Prime Wireless Pro Soundbase (quite a mouthfull), basically a streaming amp with the internals of these speakers. This looks interesting for a multiroom system with integrated speakers for example.
What would you do in that case for each room.
- SVS Prime Wirelles Pro Soundbase
or
- A streamer like the Audio Pro Link 2 (i know you reviewed the link 1) + a small amp like something from Ayima or the likes
The setup would be out of sight (so appearance doesn't matter) and mostly connected to in-ceiling or wall mounted speakers
Any ideas / tips?
Hi Darko, Sebastian here, from Chile. Great review, thank you!!!
How would you compare these against the Audioengine HD6???
Keep up the amazing work!
Great content. Where’d you get those stands from?
Does it have tidal connect
Wonder if these would be suitable for a desk
Love your reviews, though I'm not an audiophile but I like listening and learning. This might put you off, but I'd love to see you going into these noise cancelling earbuds and reviewing the likes of B&O EQ, B&W PI7, and etc, they definitely not audiophile grade but they are mainstream and would love to hear your take on them and know your favourite earbuds. 👍
How far from the wall do you recommend to lace these? I know there are a ton of variables, room size, furniture, etc., but my biggest issue is the wife, if I try to put a pair of speakers 3 feet from the wall I will be ran out of the house.
I wonder what the dynaudio focus 10 would sound like against the svs?
Please review Magnat Multi Monitor 220, best with their subwoofer. Seems very good built, and the company makes their own magnets.
Hai Darko, you mention " I don't do DSD " ..... just switched back to denafrips / audirvana / andrea bocelli DSF file... goosebumps mate, voices are so much more natural and real than on any PCM rate... on the right system you hear it, and i don't own a 100 K system....
Always wonder. If it has hdmi arc why not just use your tv app for your music streaming app?
Because the tv apps sound meh for music, streamers are bit perfect and have high res.
looking to do a 2:1 set up for my TV.....moving away from a sound bar....i have narrowed it down to these 4 sets ups and i am curious about what you think and what anyone thinks would be best for my needs..
SVS PRIME WIRELESS PRO SPEAKERS / EDIFIER R2850DB's WITH SUB / EDIFIER S3000PRO's NO SUB / KLIPSCH THE SEVENS WITH SUB or NINES
which would you recommend and rate them....thx in advance....cheers from Vulcan Canada
You might say the sub really ties the room together, Dude.
Abides.
Shut up Donny
Between this 'Super Sonos', KEF LSX II, Sonos ARC (with sub mini) for bedroom set up? *mostly TV
Love your vids mate!
I am glad I watched your video on Audiolab 6000A Play. I don't like the idea of the stream hairpinning through a phone or tablet and oh my forget about those gaps, so skip Play Fi. I really like the regular 6000A I got, and I like the Bluesound Node for streaming.
Yep -- the 6000 A with an external streamer is the way to go.
Can only seem to find the non 'pro' versions for sale, are these released already?
Same here.
Mid-August seems to be the rollout timeframe...at least here in the U.S. For the EU, IDK.
Amazing video as always. Top work!
So, should I go with SVS or 2x Sonos era 100 plus Sonos sub?
For Spotify streaming, no tv involved..
Or traditional component setup like Dali Spektor etc…?
Id go with the svs and then get with a sb1000 pro or sb2000 to go with it. Or go with emotiva airmotiv b1+, same sub sb1000 pro or sb2000 and then a traditional Denon or Onkyo receiver. If you were to want to go with non powered bookshelf'sm
What console are you using in this video? Looks like ikea.
IKEA Kallax.
Another way active is determined.
Active: Amplification occurs after any crossover.
Powered: Amplification occurs before any crossover.
You need some speaker stands that hide the cables, I might consider these as a second setup for the HDMI arc input.
Or some decent cables ties/tubes.
Enjoy your channel D ..
I wonder why I should by a system with active speakers having to deal with the wire’s you need to connect. For me that is a deal breaker. I have a Marantz PM7000N streamer receiver with all the connections I need. I stream with my IPad using Apple Music in Cd quality and I am still using my regular CD player. As for speakers I use a pair of Amphion Argon One speakers. There are systems like Kef LS 5O metha Wireless but that system costs more than I have spent on the Marantz-Amphion system.
Please keep up your good work because with practically every video You I learn something.
Ludo Belgium
Any chance you could review the Q Acoustic M20 John?
I think you would be better off 2x 2.99 Prime Bookshelf passive + what ever amp option you choose. 899.99 - 2 x 299.99 = 300.01 which gives you all sorts of options for audio feed, and you get bigger woofers.
I love your reviews and you substantial knowledge of all things audio and video. This is a general comment and not directed at this channel. I started looking at wireless because I wanted to get rid of speaker wires crossing the floors, walls, etc. But most of these "wireless" speakers involve one or more cables/wires/connectors. I just don't see the point of them yet
Electricity isn't yet wireless. Neither is HDMI. But streaming is -- hence the 'wireless' naming.
It's September and PWP is no where to be seen. Come on SVS :P
Thank you John. I’m a Sonos man, with Beolab 8000 speakers because I share a house with a lovely lady who’s not keen on speakers on stands.
Hi Darko, How would you compare these with Triangle Aio Twin?
Never heard the Triangle so no idea.
I hope they do an Ultra Tower Pro with more high end drivers.
Gosh. I was about to click the buy button for Klipsh the fives before watching this video.
I'm looking to set up a system in the living room. I have a classic Linn Axis, Cambridge Audio plus Bose 901 (yes really) system in my office room but looking for something simpler.
Seems easier and cheaper to pay an electrician to route your ethernet cable to your streamer/preamp. Mine cost $350 to hard wire to fiber optic.
If there was a powered speaker I could stream hi res files gapless too that would be awesome
Are you sure you'll hear the difference between hi res and AirPlay CD quality? 🤔
hi .. just an idea... you can switch the speakers so the amplified one is on the other side by just switching the rca cables....
Sorry, no, those cables don't have directionals