ECU Tunes - The Truth
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- Опубликовано: 26 июл 2016
- This question of "Should I ECU tune" my car comes up often in the comments so I thought I'd address it. If you are running a naturally aspirated motor, I'd pass, if it's turbo'd then a tune might be a good idea. Watch the video to learn more.
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That's a non-argument.... the tuner does not give you a 200K miles warranty -- neither does Mercedes, Porsche or BMW. So you really need to show us the stats on all those prematurely blown engines.
Baerchenization bravo 👏
Tuned Vauxhall Corsa 1.4 with K&N airfilter and straight pipe exhaust upgrades it definitely made a difference not huge but more power for sure
Sounds like you need a new tuner....
sounds like you need a lesson in physics.
sounds like youve never even seen the face of a tuning software or a damn ignition timing map to know what ure talking about
Sounds like you need a Chevy SS
Turbo = Tune, no turbo = no tune, simple :p
Sounds like i need a life..
Totally agree. NA engines are pretty maxed out as is and not worth the minor gain. Now if your throwing a supercharger or turbo on it then it's a good idea. Need to upgrade intake and exhaust first as well as a bigger cooler. Headers are optional but not necessary. Pretty much everything you already said.
Captain repeat
Headers are required if it doesn’t have a turbo manifold for an N/A motor application you mean. There’s no way for a turbo to spool if its not getting exhaust gasses from the headers lol
You didn't tune it because it was a rentale, "tell the truth"
To add on to what was said in this video, you cannot add in more fuel as that will only cause more smoke (usually at full throttle cars from factory run at an air fuel ratio that is ideal or close to ideal for peak power. While at low throttle inputs they tone it down to a more efficiency-based AFR) so you would need to add more air. The only way to get more ponies is to:
1. Block EGR if it exists on the car to prevent the exhaust gases from taking the place of fresh air.
2. Run higher octane fuel.
3. Straight pipe the car - or get a high-flow exhaust setup.
4. Get a better flowing camshaft - which will allow you to increase the amount of fuel as there will be more air at higher RPM.
5. Nitrous.
Well there are more methods (they go way more in depth and are more costly, but these are the simplest and I guess cost-effective).
200K mile warranty? What manufacturer would offer that? Why would a tuner?
@MrHungarianHammer watch the warranty claims roll in... manufacturers absolutely detest paying out warranty claims. It's a business loss. How many years was the mazda warranty? I used to work for them and most tend to be x years/unlimited km format and the cars conveniently fail after warranty period expires or claims are denied to due to 'customer error'. Trust me when I say manufacturers dont want to stand behind their product, but have to to sell them.
The n52 motor has some pretty great potential. If you haven't already seen it, I'd take a look it.
I like a lot of your videos, but I have to disagree with this one. I got an ESS tune on my 13 e92 m3 and it made a huge improvement. I also got the tune to delete my CAI light that was on due to my test pipes. I have full exhaust, intake, and pullies, but the tune made the biggest difference, in performance, by far. The vehicle now runs much smoother, the rpm limiter is lowered while the engine is warming up (for engine saftey), and my fuel economy is much more efficient. The last reason I went with ESS is in roughly 6 months when I purchase their supercharger, ESS will simply email me the new tune for the supercharger, I'll upload it and be good to go. The tuner can also do a full engine diagnostic as well as code clearing.
Your rationale makes sense regarding the value in tuning an NA engine versus a turbocharged engine. However, the same argument against tuning an NA engine regarding its reliability, can also be true for turbocharged engine (I.e. the manufacture set it up that way for a reason). Just because you haven't had a problem with your tune turbocharged engine doesn't mean he'll be reliable for everyone else. The same argument could be applied if you tuned a naturally aspirated engine and it didn't explode, it doesn't mean the same would be true for everybody else.
Terry Forth. True, in general. But With BMW specifically, the engines are typically over engineered and capable of significantly more output than they come from the factory. That doesn't mean there isn't a cost, but some engines are better than others to tune. Of course you need to pay attention to the rest of the drive train, but as with engines, some manufacturers will put a heavier transmission than required simply because of availability and space ... so it really depends on the vehicle. BMW tends to indulge their drive trains with "high service factor" which is why you see them tuned so regularly.
So what about engines that have had a cold air intake system added? The MAS location has been adjusted with this mod and I feel like a tune taking this into consideration is appropriate to truly reap the benefit of the system. Also, to my understanding, the biggest benefits of ECU tuning are not necessarily to crank out more hp/torque, but rather improve responsiveness and performance. I have a 2012 Raptor and contemplating tuning for these reasons...thanks.
You're right mate, no need to mess factory default!
Is it safe to install an JB4 on a 2008 535xi 170k miles the car still run like new
Absolutely agreed, I’m am hanging on to my 2.4 Lancer and saving up for a Hyundai i30N. It makes me sad when I see guys spending thousands tuning a Lancer (na), they get a lot of noise/harsh ride for minimum gains. Better to think long term and save up for a performance oriented car than trying to transform an economy car into what it’s not.
You are 100% right I myself have done ecu tune on a na car and also on a turbo charged motor night and day difference with zero issues on turbo motor
A custom tune, made specifically for your car can make a pretty big difference. While peak power will not change tremendously, there are big gains down low and mid range.
Unless you're upgrading an old engine - or a modern turbo engine, you wont' see big improvements.
But is it worth risking your engine let alone other components?
The same also goes with my favourite the E46 ///M3 3.0 S54. The S54 itself sounds perfect when you change the exhaust to for example Supersprint or Eisenmann race exhaust will make it sound better & a rasp terminator will get rid of the rasp. You're right Richard about the ECU tune.
3.2 not 3.0. Yeah that motor sounded amazing with an exhaust
+Entrepreneurs in Cars BTW for example is a tune ok for a 135i or 335i which are both turbo N54 from the factory is it ok to tune the N54 engine since they're turbocharged?
Tunes work much better on turbod cars if they are done right. Use a proper BMW tuner like Dinan
Entrepreneurs in Cars Like DINAN or Active Autowerke? Those are proper BMW tuners
BMWSource . There are a few good tuners out there. AC Schnitzer is top of the heap. Dinan is right up there with recognition from BMW. I'm running an Active Autowerke flash tune and have been extremely pleased. Conservative specs with moderate power increase. On a turbo 3.0L I6.
on my old v8 audi s6 NA my tuner gained 33whp, I installed a full exhaust on it (custom headers, decat, and supersprint midsection and backboxes) before this tune and a drop in k&n filter.
You are correct Sir. ECU tuning on NA engines is dicey. Adding timing and a little fuel is about all you can do and it doesn't give you much power overall. It's really a waste of time. Good tires and lighter weight go a lot farther on NA. Turbo is superior in terms of tuning
I do have a mercedes c180 w202 , when i rev it tops on 4000rpm, should I get a ecu tune?????? already changed cold air intake and half my exhaust.
So what if you put a after market actuator to adjust boost.lets say from stock 13 psi to 16psi.
And then get ecu put in with allbthe deletes inclueded
I have a Golf R Mk 7.5. I just booked it in for a custom tune at a reputable tuner. The custom dyno tune is to take some 4 hours to do and is to cost $1.5 grand
It kind if scares a little paying so much money and possibly leaving me risking issues along the way. Especially if power gains,are nit that much anyway but keeping it within safe tolerance. I asked myself... how does a tuner determine a,safe tolerance? What guarantee will I get, should something go wrong?
I don't see any guarantee offer on the tuners website, making me even more weary.
I decided that the risk and the small gains,are not worth the money and the risk and cancelled my booking.
If you don't have any other mods on the car, then a tune on NA will not get you much at all. However, after changing intake and exhaust, even NA cars will benefit from a tune. Don't expect much more than better drivability and a small increase in peak power. The biggest gain is overall area under the curve. I had an NA VW Jetta that had intake, exhaust, and cam upgrades. Once I got a custom tune which took into account those changes, as well as running higher octane fuel, the car woke right up. Did it have huge hp gains? No, but the engine pulled from 2500 all the way to 6200 with a nice flat torque curve.
An exhaust, intake and cams should yield a rather substantial power increase once its tuned accordingly. With those mods you should be seeing a power increase of at least 40%.
@@mareksumguy1887 yep
it's ok if i put a racechip on bmw 225 D 224 hp with racechip ultimate 280 hp???
Do you think the BMW f30 335i more reliable v
My 45 amg is already 26lbs of boost stock. How high would eurocharged ecu take that. 30+?
I stopped at timing after tdc. You fooled me up until then!
My very thought exactly.
The problem with asking a tuner for a 200,000 mile warranty is that you're essentially asking them to bet their business on their potentially lunatic clientele. I'm talking about the nutjobs that want to throw turbos and nitrous on a 200,000 mile junkyard motor that's already loud enough to shatter windows and has an idle that totally crap. Then when the idiot blows the engine to kingdom come, the next thing you know, the leadfooted idiot has hired a lawyer and is now suing the tuner for blowing up his already fucked motor that was already one foot in the grave to begin with.
He won't sue. Tuners know that no one will sue them. it costs too much and more than like substantially more than an engine repair. lol
I have an E90/92 M3. Had the BMW dealer tune it in house which was just the German spec tune which is different here in Australia. Great result and the car is fine. So do it at a proper BMW centre.
You won’t do any damage with advancing the ignition. Now, leaning out the mixture to gain power makes everything run hotter- bad on cast and non forged internals. Increasing boost pressure is much worse. Higher pressures mean blown head gaskets and higher temps. Increasing boost is RISKY. Don’t tune a car you need to be reliable- unless you got $$$
With this specific engine (S65) I think you're right on the money. And it kind of goes with a lot of 100ish hp per litre engines. It's quite the feat of research and engineering to get those results from an N/A engine with a warranty and no driveability issues. Supercharge or turbo one? sure that's cool but its going to get real expensive if you plan on it lasting long. And at that point it may be more cost effective to start with a 335i to have some big HP number. The record on the N54 is something like 800whp on a stock longblock.
ECU Tune is the last thing you should consider when you have these mods: turbo/supercharger, aftermarket exhaust system, K&N air filter, better inner-cooler, maybe even a high quality radiator (to fit more coolent) just to keep the car reliable as possible, the only downside is really expense but, all cars differ with mods and really it’s about personal preference so, if you want that extra power and also mpg then it’s probably worth it. An ECU Tuner is a Tuner’s best friend. (Agree or disagree???)
The question is: how far away is my engine from MBT. If its far away... then you will see significant gains with ECU tuning. If its not... then you will see minimal gains. The problem is, that, the only way to find out is to start tuning.... which means you've already spent the money. So its kind of a gamble if you have no reference point (documentation).
What will happen if i have a crash? Is the insurer going to check if i had remap?
if there are dead people or very wounded people then yes they will
if you just crash (lightly) into a car they probably wont and just fill in the insurence
He knows what he is talking about... Many people only talk about if it is good or bad without explaining why it is good or bad, but you said enough information about this, thank you for this good video 👌
I am with you about the turbo engines cause you gain lots of power with just an ecu tune instead of an N/A motor but the horses that you will gain from the N/A trust me will be more puncy more aggressive..... I have a bmw e36 328i and I tune the ecu plus intake and headers... It put down 231ps 310nm... I tested with a golf gti 250ps only ecu upgrade an I was 2 cars in front from 20kmh until 220kmh...and with a 435i stock until 170kmh I was minor in front... So with my expirience an N/A motor has more manly and aggressive dilivery... Plus I drive it every day for the last 2 years....😀
ECU Remap is in general quite of a scam and I will tell you why. Even if you do everything the right way. The only way chip tunning, ecu tunning or remap is adding the power is that they can change one or all of the following - AIR, FUEL, IGNITION. You can not do much with the ignition especially in diesel cars which are the most chip tuned here in EU, usually the most of the gain comes from putting more air/fuel into the engine, in other words letting the turbo compress more air into the engine.
You go to the tuning specialist, they should have the dyno suitable for your car(the 4x4 car should be never tested as a FWD). First they will first run the car with the stock map - show you the results(which can be easily rigged), after they load they own map, do few runs maybe change the map in the process and after they do the final run and present you the numbers.
The problem here is that if you will let the CAR to be tested on different dyno in different company, you will always get different results and I'm not talking about some small percentage.
What you are actually paying for is a feeling and numbers they present but in general every dyno will show different results, even thou all of them usually use DIN70020.
Yes you will get some power, but how much and for how long thats the question.
I generally agree with your take on n/a engines. However, there are exceptions. For example, in Europe, we have the Mazda 3 2.0 n/a with 120 and 165 hp. Well, it you have a look at the power curve, you see that the power is electronically limited after 4000rpm. Reprogramming just removes that limit.
Exactly. Was looking for this argument.
Many n/a cars for the euro market is downtuned to meet demands on tax, insurance and emission. The Mazda 3 120hp (135 for real) is the same engine as the 165 hp version, but choked off at 4000 revs.
what can be done on NA engines to improve them, outside of intake/exhaust, what about chipped or is that the same as a eco flash?
Chipping is for older ECUs and this guy is right on a few things but very wromg on others. If you are going to change your intake and exhaust then you should get your ECU tuned on a N/A engine. The factory parameters will only advance so much. And as the engine gets older it leaves no room to adjust at all. So tunning a stock N/A engine isn't the,most cost efficient upgrade, but it is if you plan on modifiying the ammount of air/fuel the eninge is going to burn/exhaust.
@@410cultivarI was told the opposite that despite changing the intake and exhaust a tune still won't do anything pretty much you'll gain what the bolt on gave you and exhaust + Premium gas and hope you got something a little more the Air /Fuel ratio is corrected by the ECU with in 5 minutes of turning it on the ECU will learn the new ratio on it's own
It's also pointless to dyno when it isn't getting no more than 20 at best hp gains with the install and that's better than nothing but still Dyno to prove it had gains is just stupid when we know the gains were very small
I tried to tell my forum this and they think it's stupid but it's proven CAI and Exhaust equal a little more bang how much bang is depended on the mods and car a tune ain't going to help a NA car by no stretch that is why I use a pedal commander instead in combination of a CAI and Exhaust swap plus premium gas I was told even if it's a small upgrade premium always helps I know people say that's BS but my truck runs smoother and has a better mpg vs 87
I just get tired of debating about this stuff when half these people aren't real mechanics
Thanks for dumping it on us!
Needing advice guys. Considering remapping my 2018 mazda 2 1.5 skyactiv-g (NA) petrol (90bhp 5spd manual), ~from the factory you can get this engine on 75, 90 and 115bhp configurations. All the tune companies seem to have the same tune available 90-128 bhp. At first I thought this was crazy dangerous, but I realized that the MX-5 (miata) has the same 1.5 skyactiv-g engine producing 131bhp from the factory. I know these engines have crazy high compression ratios too so I don't know how that might affect it. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
Is it really worth to get such a small boost for the price it requires?🤔
not in all cases for example my 2008 c63 AMG V8 NA a tune and bang 40whp extra and no its not stressed and running different.
Thanks for the advice. It helped me save 1k and just wait for the right moment
I'm with you Bro.. No tune for my E92, Cat back and drop in filter is going to be it.. Safety first for with S65"..
s2kseth now your car will be running too lean because your introducing more air in the mixture and reducing back pressure. People have to stop taking youtuber's opinions as facts. You're modifying the car, it's obvious that you would have to adjust the ecu to match the new modifications. You really just have to mention to your tuner what you're expecting from your car.
@@mjg707 it wont run lean, his ecu will adjust, but as the car gets older its wont have that adjustment room anymore and it will get slower. But yeah he will,need to tune his NA engine if he is going to change the ammount of air/fuel/exhaust its moving.
I love your stuff man, keep it up!
Idk what your talking about, its good for an engine to be tuned. I know it sounds ricer but putting a cold air intake and a ecu chip on your car can really open it up and let it breathe, its okay to chip a NA motor.
What about the mazda skyactive engines. They are Naturally Aspirated. BUT they use compression up until 4000rpm and above that they switch to sparkplug.
the only n/a engine i would tune would be a vtec engine because in my 2002 civic ex 1.7l it wont go past 7000 and vtec doesnt come on till 62 63 so i would tune it so i can get a higher rev but i do agree that it could hurt the engine but for vtec i would but i havent done it yet so couldnt tell you anything else would love to know more thanks guys
Well actually all car manufacturers set their cars up to fail at some point... Car manufacturers don't make that much money if they're cars are lasting 500,000 miles plus night and day. So if after a certain milage an ecu is programmed to start risking the engines life to bring them back to the dealer than maybe yeah you should tune a car to your liking or for your application and it could be a more useful long term tune. So with an educated tuner you could extend the life of your car or at least your engine.
Thanks for the advice ' i would keep an mind , im used to have turbo car with many other problems, so now a have a corrolla with just one problem , too slow
Bur 139 hp, 132 torque, but with
Trholle body spacer , 20 trd muffler20 and the chip 20 total 60 hp's, 139 + 60 = almost 200 ,is a huge change , professor?
AND THEN YOU WOKE UP
@@michaelpirroni1527 lol yeah he lost me at "throttle body spacer"
When it comes to NA motors if you don't have mods then don't waste your money on a tune. But definitely tune if you are modding to keep the motor happy.
100% agree with this statement!
is diesel NA?
He sounds a bit clueless :)
Agree 100%,trying to out perform manufacturers is very dangerous.Even on turbos.Many Golf GTI's with tuning issues.
Thats stupid, manufacturers have to meet certain emissions and noise regs so they respectfully detune the engine or software, also they are tuned for lower octane fuels.
Lol if that was true manufactuers wouldnt come out with ECU tunes for thier performance packages.
Do you think 320i m sport could handle stage 1 tune? Great vid
Did you end up getting jt
Good to know before I started messing with my 97 Camry naturally aspirated 4 cylinder ecu lol. Im just leaving it alone
are you taking account for Cai's, full exhaust swap with something like idk a big bore throttle body?
No, he is obviously talking about a stock car.
@@zemekiel yeah and even that isnt alwaya true. A high compression NA engine can ne tuned for decent gains on a high octane tune. It's not that same,as tuning a turbo or supercharged engine. But comparing NA changes to FI changes is silly.
Increasing turbo boost is more dangerous than you think. Easy way to blow a motor. Oh and more boost requires more fuel since you are adding more air.
Killa Bee yes that’s why u have a naf or map sensor more air more fuel
Tune alone, no. Top end setup (cam and heads, fuel system to support it) yes its a must. No one guarantees it will last long mileage.
Remapped M3 E92 with Akrapovic Evolution can have problem's with emissions on annual inspection?
Yup, that's why I only did the muffler section in my car
Hum, so if it's only akrapovic evolution without remap, it will have problems too? Evolution line is not street legal?
“I’m only speaking from experience”
Rich- you need more experience....
macdonmar facts
I do a decent ammount of tuning in my area, and i agree with the NA motor thing you can get 5-10% performance increase (somewhat safely), and you can get that by injecting fuel earlyer and playing with sparks, also you can increase A:F a bit, But turbocharged cars are a lot better, Because more air can be forced in, 100-250 mBar (safely) and increase fuel for that ammount of air, injection timings, ETC. Most common things i tune are disels. usualy there can be increase 20-40% in power, Especialy with undertuned factory common rail 2.0TDI motors. I saw other "tuners" do bad tunes, basicly some people increase all maps for 10% and the car will run better but it will run unhealthy.
Liquid Trash great input can i email you about some car ?'s
Liquid Trash jamalcolejamal@gmail.com
So with a m3 dct is it good to get a dct tune?
RWhitesLemonade Drinker I got an ESS tune on my 13 e92 m3 DCT and it made a huge improvement. I also got they tune to delete my CAI light that was on due to my test pipes. I have full exhaust, intake, pullies, and the tune made the biggest difference, in performance, by far. I'm also getting better gas mileage with it.
i have a stage 2 on one of my cars fi. ,,, it just isint good for daily use anymore,, its more the stress and wear you get than the actual gains out of modding the car. unless its a showcar track car id just leave it alone and enhance what you love about it exhaust, car care and maintenance
good sense
What do u think about tuning a f30 328i xdrive
Boring, but I'm used to M cars so I'm not really the right guy to ask. I'm sure its a good daily.
Generally I'd agree with that but if you upgrade hardware then tuning is a different story on a N/A motor. I have several hardware upgrades and a tune is necessary to get the benefit of them. But if stock I agree.
I can understand the why bother attitude towards tuning a completely bone stock vehicle. The type of vehicle makes a big difference also-but when you own a vehicle that’s been modified like ram air, larger throttle body, headers and exhaust, camshaft etc. then there’s no way around it you have to remap. but honestly anyone who is tuning for performance I’m pretty sure they realize it’s going to get bad fuel mileage or their warrantee will be toast. or The likelihood the engine won’t last as long is real. these people are usually more worried about performance. either way there are thousands of scenarios why people would want to remap. like maybe better pulling performance in a Diesel truck. A good performance chip monitors engine temp, transmission temp, exhaust gas temp like Banks performance. has enough safety features to keep you from hurting anything. The chip will simply cut back on power to prevent damage. you get what you pay for... if your engine is bone stock and if you’re not disciplined enough to use this new found power “occasionally”and you’re just beating the piss out of it every day then yes! You may have a grenade with the pin pulled waiting to go off. if someone asked me about remapping. The first thing I would ask what type of vehicle? The second thing I would ask what their expectations were? The third thing would be how much money do they have to spend to do it rite? then give my answer.
$1,000! Wow I had no idea it cost so much to tune the ECU. I thought you could just buy a device for a few hundred that hooks into a laptop and the OBD port. Guess I was way off. lol
I do want the M3 also because it looks meaner and more aggressive
My dilemma is the 2012 335is has more tork then the same 2012 M3 I drove both and the is feels faster but dose not rev as high.. your opinion
One is a true masterpiece of a car the other is a 335.. The M isn't about being the fastes out there, if thats your thing buy a bike.
the m3 is hp car high rpm high power, bit lower torque, but hey redline a day keeps the carbon away
and the m3 is pinacle of handling, feeling etc
is it safe to do the ECU tunning on a 323i m/sport 2006 model?
Best n.a. cars to remap are ones like mini one with the 90hp engine as it's the same engine as the 115hp cooper just detuned getting a bluefin tune for 250 quid maps it the same as the cooper plus an additional 10hp so the 90hp goes up to 120hp so detuned cars from the factory are the best options for remap as well as the vw tdi pd engines but that's going into detuned turbo engines
is it worth it to supercharge or twin turbocharge your e9X M3?
Blower is nice, but the S65 won't last long as a daily driver with boost
Entrepreneurs in Cars 412hp is a lot of fun for the streets anyway if not too much lol Thanks for the reply
The reason manufacturers set Ecu tuning where it is, EPA, they know enough timing for optimal driveability will affect emissions. My 17 Lexus rx350 had a serious stumble on tip in, Lexus had no fix, 80$ plug in, problem solved.
My initial thoughts go back to physics class:
Energy cannot be created nor destroyed.
If your going to get a tune for an e9x M3. Do the test pipe/xpipe and tune. 40+hp by taking out the most restrictive part of the exhaust, not really pushing the engine much harder
Agreed
Thanks for the advice.
I'm moving my 2.0 turbo petrol from 240-275 it's a new ford ecoboost I'm getting 30bhp for £345
That's 420 ish dollars out of respect to you Americans. Mostly the gains are torque as its all turbo mods.
Don't add 50% don't overload a car without changing engine parts..
There is a lot to be gained in turbo diesel & turbo petrol then hmmm unless it's a high end car your going to mess with manufacturers & it's not worth it..
Ecoboost are the worst
all depends on car my c63 went from 490 hp to 555hp.
Sweet ride & tune. Do you think i should tune my 2017 GTI Clubsport..? Videos on my channel.
3DFX as its 2017 I'd say keep it stock untill out of warranty
sher854 i have an audi S4 4.2 V8 if i do ecu tuning will it give it a good amount?
sher854 Yes exactly what we were thinking. But would you tune it after? Iv heard somwhere that Clubsport are sensitive. Also iv heard that a Golf R example, have stronger internals & that it have bigger turbo. My neighbour who is very much into cars says my turbo gets Veery hot, but iguess its common when the engine outputs as much power in little space as the EA 888? Iv also heard that Stage 1 tune should be fine, as long as you maintain it (regular oil change etc). But all these diffrent info, makes me kindof torn. Idont drive the car much more than perhaps 1-3 times a week & i drive kinda short distances if that helps? But i do own a engine heater, would you suggest using it before racing, or is it better to start engine a few mins before?
You A Mitch Hi i googled some on your engine. And it seems you get quite a small amount on it 10-30 hp, so question is if it will be worth it. Also if u want the 30 it will cost you as you seem to have to change a few things.
What about tuning to remove all governors from the engine imposed by regulations? Some engines run better without government regulations. I own a 300c Hemi 5.7 and I’m looking to tune it. No mechanical work. Just ecu to take away all limitations with rev and top speed. I’ve learned with older cars that with these things are taken away the car gets better fuel mileage. Emissions control may help the environmental issues but it costs the customers money at the pump. And maybe we should pay more
There isnt one governor you can remove on your 5.7l hemi that will give you better mpg or make,it run better. That aint how it works.
lemme use this as an example, the 2014 w204 c300 uses the same 3.5l engine that the w204 c350 does. the c300 makes 248hp while the c350 makes 302, a simple ecu tune should just bring it up as there is no other difference
U still need to tune if ur car has mods.. Unless its factory stock.. But most honda owners does ecu rechip... Eventhough its stock.. Power added..
anthony mathew at the expense of reliability
your talking about ecu tuning but in reality you've talked about 1 specific car so your comments could be correct when talking about say the m3. but what about the different models that essentially have the exact same engine... for example 316,318,320? what's your opinion for example of remapping a 316 with the same engine as the 320 to use the same timing and sparking of fuel to get the performance of the 320 in your 316?
Watch the video again buddy. Any NA engine won't see benefits from a remap.
I'm referring to the 316d 318d and 320d, which are all turbo diesels.
Jamie that's not what you said in your first comment. But anyway like I said, watch the video again. If the engine has forced induction (turbo/supercharger) then it also must have a way to control this component which can be adjusted for more boost --> more power
I also didn't put 316i or 318i either. assumptions were made. anyhow think I'll look elsewhere for I information. this is the opinion of one bloke. plenty of researching through forums and before and after videos prove more than this guy that it's possible and that there's benefits and cons. as with everything in life.
Jamie well you mentioned sparking, which is you know, a gasoline engine... But yeah, better do some more research
What about a M2 wich could be his ECU tuned adding 60 horse power? Is it worth it? Or to risky because the amount of HP the tune add to the 370 normal HP the car has is too big?
you know nothing... at least you're wearing a seatbelt.
There are out there cars with seriously down rated engines, and then you can, with few smart tweaks get like 30% to 50% more power. That is a jack pot, but usually comes with the hefty price tag on the car like that. Then there are tuners and "tuners". Tuner will see how your engine behaves and will tell you the truth if it is unhealthy to push engine more than stock. The other, more frequent kind does not care. I wold recommend to all people who want more power to teach them self about engine "science" and how engines are tuned, then when you know all, hire a tuner.
If you just want a service from third party, that will give you more power - I strongly advice, stick with stock engine, and collect money for your next car that will give you STOCK performance you like.
This means if one does not fully understand engine principles with all win and loose points in process of stock engine tuning, just don't do anything. Buy stock car that gives performance you want and that is how you will save your self from very likely disappointment.
yeah, whay he said
Wheel bearing gone or cheap tyre
A manufacturer doesn’t even offer 200k mild warranty...
You need to come to Australia and get a Ford Falcon na inline 6 with an xcal tuner would get 30hp and 50hp with a na v8 but if you get inline 6 turbo 80hp and a supercharged v8 about the same now if you spend $3k on mods the blown models can get 1000hp
Search ford xr6 ford xr6 turbo ford xr8 and fpv F6 typhoon F6 tornado F6X territory and Fpv GT, GTP, GTE, GTF and you'll see some crazy safe results with huge amounts of power!!! Take a 700hp at the wheels ute for drive or a 1000+hp f6
Also see what little upgrades and a tune are needed for a inline Aussie turbo ford 6cyl 2 tonne awd SUV to run 11's the fpv F6X or even base mode the ford territory turbo.
Ford made a big mistake not letting Aussie Falcons Tickfords and FPV ( Ford Performance Vehicles ) from being exported. You don't need your big trucks in the states slow gas guzzlers you could have had a UTE and xr6 turbo or tornado and pursuit and super pursuit Utes would eat anything you have and the Falcon range would have killed the mustang. Both sportier better looking with more power and the Falcons 4 doors and trunk to fit 3/4 bodies in lol. And you would have got them at a good price with plenty of mods to get the new mustang 380bhp the last GTF 580bhp stock and one of the most coolest 2000's model we built the only factory hand built 347w the Tickford T3 TE50 and the TS50 and the Pursuit 250 and the au xr8 220 check them out if you just want to see some awesome vehicles that arnt American euro or Japanese. Especially at the race tracks they ate up Ferraris vipers Porsches m3 m5s etc for breakfast We also made the Mitsubishi magna range awesome fwd and AWD cars think they were exported to the states as diamontes or something and our own Ralliart version if your into cars please check them out I like American muscle too but GM sucks! The 03 Terminator mustang I think has been the best and the 65-67 old school and all the hemi's are great the srt8 would get eaten by the F6X or turbo territory. And anything Aussie muscle from the 70's you'll love the XW GTHO PHASE 2 the XY GTHO PHASE 3 fastest factory 4 door car in the world at the time and then the XA GT RPO83 the phase 4 got canned because it could easily do 200+ miles an hr. The XB sedan and hardtop the mad max car the XC cobra the XD and XE in phase 5 and 6 body kits. And our own legendary Crystler charger e38 and e49 six packs with a Aussie slant 6 253 engine. And don't forget we not Porto Rico have the most and best and baddest rotaries in the world Japan even build the Bathurst Type R only for Australia. And we've had every version of the skylines from R31 GTR to the new model. And check out the Aussie entry to some big award car show in the states that won the XBOSS 🤘🇦🇺
#emkraft #sve #the46ers #krafted #emkrew has been a great BMW competition cars and engine building for motorsports for over the last 24 years and I have seen myself their own e30 M3 2.5 4cylinder evo with 938bhp with a heavily tuned and turbocharged conversion and seen it on many occasions put down sub 9s 1/4m sprints and 2nd and 3rd gear launches for sub 6.8s 0 to 100mph runs
I want to tune my car and I do have a turbo motor but the turbo has gone bad 🥲
You might get a "higher red line"??? Red line is the RPM's that a motor is likely to mechanically fail. Say you miss a gear and over rev your motor, you could potentially float a valve due to the valve spring not being strong enough and that valve gets hit by the piston. I listened to that (along with the, "brother from another mother") and thought damn, this guy is old - and I'm in my sixty's!
there's no replacement for displacement a tuned na engine is so much more drivable than a turbo car
You have NO idea what you're talking about.
ECU tunes are only good if you actually modify the cars parts first like exhaust headers head gaskets ect
Ps you can ecu tune any car it's just more effective with a supercharger and or a turbo plus you can just put a turbo or supercharger on any car so yea
2:12 no crap they’re gonna say no way, if you’re going the step to TUNE your car you’re obviously not driving like a normal guy, your pushing your car as hard as possible. If they accepted that warranty they’re basically guaranteeing themselves a failure. If you get a tune and drive normal, your car will last. But if you get a tune obviously that’s not how you drive.
Totally disagree. Wish I had the time to say more but never mind
please say more :)
I gained 60kw with a NA ls1 with just a exhaust and tune
Yeah, we believe you 😂🤣🙄
Sorry my bad I gained about 50rwkw from 168-170rwkw I ended up with 220rwkw why would I lie about that....
They have a 734.7bhp and 628.2lbft E46 S54B32 supercharged daily driver that is so bad and effortless, gtr Nissan and fq 400 evos are literally just wasted by the time it gets half way through 3rd gear, aston Martin V8 for example was 5.1s slower to the 1/4m sprints on camera and one has a XKR8 jag V8 with a modified file and smaller pulley and 528lbft and 560bhp proven yet was still 4.4s to the 1/4m slower than the 3 series in each case
i think this video just a told a whole lot of people they made a bad decision, and hence, the hate comments.
but a bmw 328i is basicly a 320i stage 1 with a bigger price tag 💀...