Why Are They Banning ECU Tuning?
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California recently announced they won't allow cars with modified ECUs on their roads. Today we’re gonna take a closer look at ECU modification, figure out the benefits and risks of modifying them, and see how ECU tuning is actually done. California might be on the wrong side of science with this one! Let’s go.
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California in 2002, cops raid your garage for weed "we're just selling ECU's here!" California 2021, cops raid your garage for ECU's "we're just selling weed here!"
ahahahahahaahhahahahah
California sucks! Move somewhere where freedom is embraced and protected from overreaching authoritarians.
This is gold
LOL, love it! Get arrested for Grand Tuned Auto, worse than grand theft auto !!! Glad I live in GA. Cali is nice but communism is growing out there. Now ecu mods are bad, efff'm
@@rak6437 Freedom to lane split and enjoy cannabis without legal repercussions doesn't count?
Imagine being the guy who tuned his ECU for less emissions and better fuel economy.
Apparently there are allot in this comment section
That guy needs to come forward and show them that this ban was bs and I have the data and sue the state.
Just blame Trump like everything else
My vw golf is here…45 mpg but it used to get 37
imagine being the guy with an electric vehicle and not caring one bit :D
"what are you in for?"
"triple homicide... you?"
"tuned my ECU..."
*steps away*
“Tripe homicide put me on the chair”
That reminds me of the scene in 'Alice's Restaurant', where Arlo Guthrie gets drafted for Military service and gets put on the 'Group W' bench at AFEES because of his arrest for Littering.
The day they do that to me is the day I would NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER own any motor vehicle manufactured on or after January 1, 1968. That is why pre-1968 vehicles go for good money today...shit like that has made pre-1968 vehicles not only hold their value, but make them worth even more. It's the reason why I own a few pre-1968 vehicles myself.
@@lawrenceartz8640 Actually, unless the vehicle was manufactured specifically for The Peoples Socialistik Republik of Kalifornistan, 1994 is the "magic date" for Version II of On Board Diagnostics (OBD-II); the current industry standard as mandated by federal law.
@@johnjohnsn7633 I remember back in 1994 (actually in 1992), I made a persomal pledge to never even consider an OBD II vehicle, and back then I was hoarding numerous Chevy IIs...cars, parts, etc. 1962 to 1967, and fortunately, many could be had, plentiful and cheap. Today, I dont own anything newer than a 1992...and I do annual spraying of rustproodong on my vehicles to keep them running for many years to come...just like Cuban do to pre-1959 vehicles. Im still driving these older vehicles every day. I still dont own anything with an airbag in it.
I have had 1 car with an ECU tune, it got about 15% better fuel economy after being tuned and made about 40% more horsepower.
Phuck yea!
I love all facets of the donut channel but one of the best things they do is put the little bar at the bottom of the sponsor ad so you can see when it will be over. Mad props
Im more inclined to watch the sponsorship with such tech
Its so u can skip it
@Gray Plays yo new vid?
I’m more inclined to skip it with precision with said tech
@Gray Plays didn't expect you here.
Police officer: “Sir step out of the vehicle”
*plugs into your cars access-port and stares at you akwardly*
Jokes on them I have obd-1
@@tristandupre6294 me too 😂😂 E36
Officer I stg “Burple” is the stock tune bro I stg bro plz I swear
@@tristandupre6294 finally, a reason to own a pre 1996 car
Jokes on you guys, my daily is a 1974 and doesn't require a smog or cats lol
"If an ECU tuner wants to make their modification legal for use on CA roads, they have to spend thousands of dollars for certification" Well there it is, the science be damned it's just another soulless money grab by the shitlords in charge 😂
Well how else are the Democrats going to pay for benefits for their undocumented voters?
Because making it cheaper to certify your ECU mod means less money that bureaucrats can embezzle 👀
Generally, just adding a fine to make something legal is a way better policy than making it illegal. It dissuades some people, but the most hardcore people will do it anyway. And hopefully the funding from it makes the enforcement fund itself.
welcome to america. where problems arent fixed, theyre just monetized
"If an ECU tuner wants to make their modification legal, they have to spend thousands of Dollars on certification" There you go. Politics and greed trumps all science...
Lol, they can't get anything certified 😂
California car guys: “DUDE California is so awesome for car culture LMAO”
California Government: “Fun is now illegal”
Just don’t live in California hehe
I don't think anyone says cali is fun for car culture xD
fortunately i'm not living in Cali tho :v
Just be like me and have 3 classics. Smog exempt babeh
California is a nightmare for car culture but also housing is expensive everywhere in spite of the fact that there’s I’d say maybe five cities that are popular.
If emissions are truly their only goal, Cali needs to bring back the tailpipe sniffer. If it runs clean, then it IS clean. Sounds like yet another money grab to me.
@EVS What's even funnier is the lack of the legislator's knowledge of the CANBUS system or they would know that modern ECUs can be swapped back with very little effort.
@EVS are you dumb? Most people with a slight performance mod is going to need a tune therefore they won’t pass smog. Even if you put a fucking smaller pulley on your stock supercharger you need to tune your fuel output therefore you can’t pass smog, it’s a fucking joke, I literally can’t even do a cheap pulley swag without it now failing smog.
@fkujakedmyname who are these imaginary nazis you speak of
It is not a money grab. It is a lack of understanding of how the technology works and poor implementation.
It is this simple.
@@ltlbuddha it is a money grab. There’s so much other car laws that don’t need knowledge about how cars work. It’s illegal to have a loud exhaust and it’s a mandatory ticket despite “loud” being subjective and cops not having the technology to read decibels, window tint laws, license plate laws, it’s literally illegal to have any modifications on your car that requires a time. It’s illegal to modify your car to run e85 despite e85 being cleaner for your engine and the environment, the fact that California is the only state in the entire country that has a state referral program shows how much of a money grab it is.
You should talk to some guys who are into "hypermiling" or "ecomodding" to se how they use ecu tuning to increase fuel economy
The hypermiling crowd are more guilty of pollution than the performance guys. Leaning a motor out to 17+ afr creates nitric oxide groups that are the primarily contributors to smog. Its basically why Honda stopped selling the CRX-HF that got 50mpg and couldnt match that number again till the gen1 insight hybrid was introduced.
Gotta love all those, "Offroad Only" parts for your cars in Cali now. XD
I live in Washington state. Just two years ago we eliminated biyearly emissions testing because it was a waste of time. With modern ecus so integrated and tracking emissions on their own, virtually nobody failed the test. In reality, a ban on ECU tuning is only targeted at stopping people from adding forced induction to NA cars. It doesn't help anything or anyone.
They want the tunes to have EO numbers. It costs a pretty penny for a product to have that number. They’re trying to develop more revenue is my guess
Canada did the same thing
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Let's just call this what it is: a way for CA gov programs to get funding thru "crackdowns" and fines, I'm sure that list of approved tuners is short and involves owners that "donate" to these programs. Lobbying has finally reached the car modding scene.
"There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws." - Ayn Rand
What about vehicles that are exempt from smog like many exotics.
I hope California breaks off and falls into the ocean.
End-stage capitalism. Welcome to the reality every other industry has been dealing with for 20+ years.
@@YouilAushana Along with Florida, Texas, and the rest of the south? Me, too.
We’re talking about the same state that bans gaming PCs if they’re between 600 and 1000 watts, California is where freedom goes to die.
As Luke said this definitely affects right to repair. I think a video on heavy truck and agricultural canbus systems would be an awesome video. Could talk about how the modularity of everything and protocols compare to the automotive world, diesel tuning, being able to spec a vehicle to a far great extent than cars, the challenges of changing emissions regulations, etc. Lots of ways you guys could go with it
.01 % of population is getting 10% worse fuel economy . But driving an escalade that gets 10 mpg is fine.
Spot on. in nor cal there is always a fucker in a jacked up truck in the fast lane pushing 90 mph when he gets 15 hwy mpg and spewing black smoke emissions. It will be an honorary badge in cali to get towed or ticketed for mods soon enough. We respect the law for the most part at our meets, but when they over step, every meet will turn into a sideshow cuz the community will be fed up.
@@user-uv6cq9mr6x right on
Yeah, in reality they should probably ban both. To be consistent at least.
@@rdizzy1 not my point
Even worse, the same people whining about climate change are flying around in their private jets. These politicians don't care about you or any of us plebs. They care about power. Rules for thee but not for me.
I see the value of classic cars that are smog exempt getting even higher......
As a wise man once said *we dont care &
It's almost like forming regulation for publicity has negative ramifications, or something... Huh.
Couldn’t people just have 2 ecus?
@@AlicesMazduhs yeah but that’s typically really expensive because the ecu has to match your vin and a dealership has to do that
@@SeeJulianGo is that for newer cars? My dad has two ecus for his 97 Saab and it was relatively inexpensive and easy
Dude! I just moved out August first to a free state! I’m so happy! My STi wouldn’t be allowed there anymore! Hopefully some of the awesome tuners will branch out from their California as well.
Luckily, the bill they were trying to pass that would have forced you to pay income taxes up to 10 years after you moved out of state failed. Honestly, I’m surprised it didn’t pass.
@@SuperFlowback Wasn't that only on people earning over $30M a year though?
I still can't figure out why aftermarket companies are still in Cali.
Because if they qualify to legally sell their stuff there, they qualify everywhere. Now they have no choice, but to get out or change their business model.
lol why is anything still in CA? Leave them to slowly turn into a wasteland.
It still has a huge following, we just need to find ways to keep our stuff legal. I don’t even deal with CARB, I have two ecus, swap one out and remove my supercharger/injectors every 2 years.
Lots of money to be made there, even when you have to play ball with this bs
@@FlyingSwitz yes please stop visiting and moving here… california sucks don’t come…
The Money Pit episode on installing a new ECU is gonna be really popular soon. It's not ECU tuning if it's a whole swap.
🤯🤯🤯
Aftermarket ECUs will also be illegal soon.
You still modified it
You still upload a custom tune to an aftermarket ecu, but I like what you're trying.
unfortunately replacing the entire ecu wont be a work around. When you go to smog the vehicle the shop will check to ensure you are running the ecu map that the car came with from the factory.
Basically we’re only allowing Prius in California at this time 😂
Cali is the devils land. If you don’t get out you’ll go down with it
Actually no, its Tesla's
The true communist Utopia is upon us! It's going to be Priuses and iPhones made by slaves and kids in China!
Barely, give it time and those will be illegal
@@wysmn california > literally anywhere else
Jeremiah thank you, you are a very good educator. Very cool to learn being new to this kind of stuff myself, makes me wanna get more into ECU tuning!
I had my truck tuned with EFI Live and it's MPG went up along with drive ability.
Jeremiah: "Do you live in California, Are you mad that they're banning your modified ECU?"
Me: "No, I live in India and I'm mad because I can't do shit."
._.
Jesus. Why does everyone comment on india like it's the planet's toilet?
@@marquaviouschester6947 Depending on the region, it kinda is.
I feel you.
Yeah!!! Except for putting stickers, everything else is illegal in India!
Politicians rarely understand what they try to regulate, and CA politicians are trailblazers in that respect.
Can't fix stupid man.
California politicians just hold their pocket open and support who ever throws the most money in it.
Same shit in NY trust me. They regulate fun and tax the shit out of it
This is the Democrats Achilles heel. Good intentions gone Cray. Wouldn't it be great if Emission laws & Regulations relied on Empirical Data, not just the "feels" that, to alter something, must be wrong. Let the semi annual SMOG test results speak for themselves.
On the flip side, you have conservatives taking Horse Dewormer, out of mistrust, and Democrats crying for people to trust Medical experts(and people should).
It's a crazy world.
@@greenman8 horse dewormer? For god sakes would you actually watch something other than CNN. Doctor's are prescribing this medication, because guess what? It actually works! From the CDC website.... Ivermectin is a Food and Drug Administration (FDA)-approved antiparasitic drug that is used to treat several neglected tropical diseases, including onchocerciasis, helminthiases, and scabies.1 It is also being evaluated for its potential to reduce the rate of malaria transmission by killing mosquitoes that feed on treated humans and livestock.2 For these indications, ivermectin has been widely used and is generally well tolerated.1..
Thank you Donut Media. I had tried everything but my car mad (he can tell the difference between a V8 and V12 modern ferrari, M series 6 cylinder and AMG 4 and V8 cylinders)4 year old would not go to sleep until Jeremiah started talking about ECU programming.
That Opel C20XE in the yellow Monza is pretty sick. Nice find.
California: we want to be 100% electric cars
Also California: dont charge your car during the day. We’re out of electricity
Private companies ready to monopolize the market: Bonjour
Its the same people who want guns that can micro stamp every round that fires...its almost impossible and the tech wont be there for decades...but lets push legislation for it.
Its all about control and profit, none of it actually helps anyone other than the pockets of those that submit it.
Man, they could invest in public transportation to reduce traffic and emissions.
I guess that is too Communist/Socialist to U.S.A.
However, if they keep banning everything, then I guess is the land of the free from everything.
Even free from choice between taking a train or driving a EV or having a SUV.
@@youkofoxy California HSR is becoming a pipe dream, and existing networks are hindered by the big freeways.
where i live in the Bay Area, charging my car costs MORE than gas. gas is expensive, but the electricity more-so ... isnt that insane?
If California was interested in enthusiasts, they'd open offices to let us run tail pipe emission checks for a modest fee instead of slapping bans everywhere. Just because a car has an aftermarket intake, exhaust, or ECU doesn't mean that it won't pass a real emissions test
Yep - this is how it is done in the UK. Tune away, but you gotta pass a tailpipe test every year, and your numbers have to be within the acceptable stock ranges for that vehicle. However, you can also fail inspections for slightly dented bumpers, or slightly chipped windshields. Rust too, but I think its pretty fair to take cars with dangerous rotted sills off the roads. Germany is much more strict with their whole TUV stuff tho.
@Iain Bagnall Thanks to "Dieselgate" cars from 2010 and newer (Diesel) and 2014 and newer (Petrol) get there ECUs scanned.The ECU's software version number and the ECU's checksum are matched against a database hosted by the Federal Office of motor vehicles. If the checksum doesn't match the car fails the test section called "Verbauprüfung".This leads to a failed main inspection "Hauptuntersuchung (HU)" also called TÜV. Which is the name of one inspection agency.Cars which are chip tuned rarely fail exhaust gas inspection "Abgasuntersuchung (AU)" if they got all catalytic converters and particle filters. Next year they are introducing new exhaust gas testers. I am not that concerned for my '09 5 Series and my '03 E-Class.
If they are introducing more and more regulations, I thought about registering my cars in Poland.
@EVS as someone with an NA car, every little bit can help. But yeah, I don't see an air intake that keeps all the sensors messing with emissions much 🙃
@@TheFruitDragon basically every diesel car under euro 6 is banned in germany and so most of your euro 4 and euro 5 shitboxes end up here on the balkan where we suckers buy 'em with their flywheel from the factory and then complain how shitty the car is (and mostly it is shitty because we own a golf 5 and goddamn stupid dual mass flywheel)
@@iainbagnall4825 TUV is worse than California! At least here I can be sneaky with the greatest penalty being a slap on the wrist. Over there it's potentially jail!
Solid video, very well explained on how tuning works. I just wish they would’ve showed the data on emissions before and after a tune, since apparently it’s California’s claim of why they’re doing this
Thank you for the great work Sir
California legislators are very good at regulating things that they have almost zero understanding of.
Unfortunately, they're also seen as trailblazers in regulations by legislators in the rest of the country.
and you would have proof that the legislators had zero understanding of something...then all of these others legislators see this know nothing and say "yeah baby..I know nothing about this too" and jump on that bandwagon...this is a very interesting idea...very interesting indeed...I'll bet you heard it on a radio show...
@@mikeadams2351 just watch an interview with almost any politician about the contents and reasoning for almost any bill.
They rarely have an in depth understanding of, what's in a bill, why it is in the bill or the potential and likely effects it will have.
They often have very little understanding of how the items and industries that bills are about operate either. Which is why they're supposed to consult experts. Unfortunately they often let lobbies and paid committees determine what 'experts' they consult with and it ends up that the decisions are made by money
We need to fix that by being smarter with our votes
@@mikeadams2351 Have you not watched ANY of the hearings in Congress over Internet shit, even the reps that grow up with the internet were asking the most asinine question that made now since. And it's that way on just about any subject matter, fuck 90% of bills brought to table aren't even fully written by the congressmen that are sponsoring them. DO YOU REMEMBER "WE HAVE TO PASS IT, TO FIND OUT WHATS IN IT"!!!
I mean Cali has been democratic (sorry for getting political here) but maybe elder is worth a shot?
This could be seen as a hit on right to repair, as well.
this isn't a right to repair..this is a right to modify...
@@mikeadams2351 Two sides of the same coin
@@lukeskinner2807 dudes ignorant, don't mind him
@@wed3k he's right, you 2 are reaching.
@@wed3k You have to modify a product to repair it, even if it is with comparable components, most of the times you can't do a repair properly with the exact same parts that were used originally...
Damned fine job as always, I love needing out with your videos
My grandad's Model A, as built in 1928 by the Ford assembly plant at Arabi, Louisiana, had a "spark advance" lever on the steering column to let the driver tune one of the parameters of performance as he drove.
Anything fun: **exists**
California: *BANNED*
Still the car capital of the United States
@@metadata4255 *Texas*
@@IlIlIlIIIIlllllIII Nobody outside of Texas thinks that.
@@IlIlIlIIIIlllllIII Florida: pfff bitch please
@@metadata4255 "tell me you're from Cali without saying u from Cali"
In the UK, most tuners offer to remove DPFs, PPFs and EGR valves, and generally offer more bhp if this is done...
You should do a video about where to look for aftermarket car parts for beginners who are just starting project cars
I genuinely feel bad for car enthusiasts that live in California. The amount of bans and restrictions on cars is absurd.
and guns, and water, and construction, and education, and taxes. lol what a hell hole
Like even for those that lean more towards what the gov. in cali does. I like a good deal of what they do but some stuff like this is just like who thought this was a good idea and why?
Its not that bad. Car culture is still really strong here. CARB approved mods exist which means modding your car is not outright banned.
@@chrishernandez2490 but now tuning your ECU to make mods work is banned, which is a bigger step in that direction.
That's what the leaders wants. Soon they will do what it takes to take away the freedom of owning a car... Trust me, they're gonna slowly take away all that from us.
"The Government's ECU tuning ban is wrong"
me: *cries in Italian*
Me: Cries in Indian where even putting a sticker on your car could get you caught(Not making this up)
@@straightbusta2609 me: *kinda smiles in Italian while still crying in Italian*
@@lukethenuke7538 Atleast you're Italian you lucky dawg, land of fast sexy supercars.... I've never seen a Ferrari in my life
Everything will be OK , just put an N 95 Mask on it.
@@straightbusta2609 Ferraris are VERY rare here.
I live in CA and I’m stoked that my tune is CARB legal. Got lucky with APR 💯
I know that tuner! He used to have a small shop here in Salt Lake about 7 years ago. I helped him with a Dyno day way back.
"Imagine actually doing emissions test" - Rest of the US
That is why I will always try to keep my car registered in my current county. My car is 15 yo and is emissions exempt so I can do quite a bit without worrying about having to pass emissions
Utah requires it.
I cant believe california doesnt actually measure the exhaust. Isnt that what really matters?
It's called a smog check. And they're done by independently owned shops who send the pass or fail to the DMV. California cities have the populations of entire states. So there is no fucking way they can keep track of everyone. I just pay my guy $300 and my catless subaru is good for 2 more years.
EMISSIONS! South Carolina has left the chat!
As a mechanic and tuner myself, older cars, which about half on the road in Kentucky are 10+ years old, really gets gains in fuel economy and power from tuning.
But putting newer, more advanced or reinforced replacement parts on a vehicle, combined with a solid tune, often results in a cleaner burn within a certain range. And a lot of customers want their standard highway speeds and rpms in that range.
The idea that the modern driver can afford a 10 mpg sportscar daily is ridiculous.
now i want to tune my 97 ranger 😝
Yeah, this is pretty stupid, that way. Far from all car people are about bigger dyno numbers, cat deletes, and burnouts. I care a *lot* about the environment and even my musclecar would have passed emissions in Massachusetts if it were a brand new Honda. (The stock emissions controls were obsolete and bad, so what I did was get rid of those and optimize what was left for the cam I inherited and what I was doing.) It'd burn a *lot* of fuel if I opened the taps, but it burned it cleanly. With these new computers I could choose similar optimizations. (Likely by calling in someone more up-to-date for anything newer than say 2004, or preferably when I could afford custom ECUs. :) )
Tuning's all about what you *ask for,* too. I wouldn't be asking for heyul yeah, send it or bragging rights about HP numbers. And these laws can backhandedly make it illegal, say, for me to put a much cleaner and nicer Honda engine in my Volvo, which I'd love to try to do.
Someone asked for clarification... My standard highway speed is about 90, and that's 2800 rpm for me. In first and second I generate more than enough torque at 3400 rpm to drift based on my initial speed going into the drift. So the tune I want is between 2500-3500 rpm, for max torque. The car is too light to go over about 115 without the front end lifting up, so I'm not thinking about horsepower that much for what I do with the Kiryustang. I can still get a good 28 mpg highway with that and all my mods.
I modified an older car to be modular enough to both have fun, and be more efficient, with the reduced weight. That's what I meant by my initial comments.
Them: "Hey, we made this fascist law that says all mods are illegal unless you give us thousands of dollars to test it and prove it isn't."
Aftermarket: ".....okay, fine."
Them: "Nah, even though these tunes were tested, we're still banning them, we ran out of other things to make illegal so this one is next."
lol it's just endless new laws that have to be made. I love how you put it. lol the government be like "hmm what to do today" "how about we find something that is legal and make it illegal!" "yes! and let's make it so we can also collect more taxes and fees from citizens" *jizz in their pants*
Sounds fair, they're turning down money.
@@Kohlob I'd much rather have their government than what we have in Utah.
@@Kohlob Asking people to pray for water instead of actually requiring people to save water? All the Bears Ears nonsense, and the ridiculous alcohol laws. I barely drink so it doesn't even effect me but it's moronic other than the 0.05 BAC limit
@@Kohlob the lack of statewide emissions testing is insane too considering how bad our pollution is
Can you do a video of getting into the nitty gritty using OBD readers, custom PIDs, and other sensors for track days?
Car tuners-“screw California!”
Gun owners- “first time here?”
You're not Matt Damon
@@metadata4255 He's Jason Bourne
We've been saying that for decades. Not as long as gun owners but definitely a long time.
@@CompproB237 even my '84 motorcycle had an entire different model built to comply to California and it just made everything inconvenient to access and complicated to work on. California was a thriving example of car culture in the 50s and 60s, by the 70s they just gave all the car enthusiasts the middle finger
Lol
I had no idea tuning was so complicated. I watch a lot of car guys on here, but none have truly gone into depth about what it truly takes to tune a car. This honestly just makes me respect all the car guys more lol
Yup shit gets complicated. A lot of people can strap a turbo and a basic tune. Getting a car finely tuned is what separates racers.
Funny thing is, most guys want the cleanest burn possible... most efficient burn makes the most power.
@@loganthesaint see that’s what I thought as well. I started learning tuning Honda’s and learned about AFR. I used to think that dumping a shit ton of fuel makes more power but no, everything the video covered is very true.
Carb tuning is hard to not as hard as ECU but still difficult to get everything working just right but it's well worth it.
Its why I use a carburetor
Jeremiah: "Do you live in California, Are you mad that they're banning your modified ECU?"
Me, a Portuguese and Indians be like: First time?
Wait.. Modified ECUs are banned in Portugal? I didn't know they were so strict.. I always thought us germans had the strictest laws when it comes to modifying cars.
@@l33tnobody1337 yeah, we are super limited. You can change rims and in some cases engines, but you have to legalize them, wich when it comes to engines, is rly difficult. You can also change bumpers, but i think you have some weird rules to that, where the brand as to aprove... i dont even know wtf they are doing with car mods law here, honestly.
@@evossan Well it's the same in Germany, EVERY change to relevant parts of your car needs to be legalized, which can be very expensive and in some cases even completely impossible.
I got a nice ECU for my truck with hot swap tuning. More efficient when not towing and same efficiency/more power during towing. (or stock). I measured the fuel economy and it works, around 5% improvement over stock.
I got an eco tune awhile back and it gave me more power than factory, I get much better mileage and can feel the difference, thinking of getting a retune for more power now, can't belive they would ban that. Glad I'm not in California
At least Scotland doesn’t have such pissy laws
And this isn’t surprising. Like the video explained, factory tunes have to work everywhere.. the cold of Alaska and the heat of Death Valley.. but a tune that appropriate for your climate wouldn’t have to make such compromises.
@@Penryn87 or upgrade the ECU and sensors to cover temperature and pressure properly. Then you can build a tune that properly can cope.
As for why race cars need this...Pike's Peak Hill climb comes to mind.
What happens in cali usually spreads to the rest of the country…
The whores at epa don’t care what state you’re in man
As far as I've heard from a variety of tuners, none of them have had any trouble with emissions here in California. The state would basically have to have their computer systems updated to recognize that an ECU is running outside of parameters in order to detect and fail a smog. Smog tests in California mainly check for how clean the air is coming out of the tailpipe, and that there are no faults (or no more than a certain number allowed, like 1 if the car is over a certain age).
I live in CA and this state can blow me, I've got megasquirt plug n play on a bored and stroked swap m30 swapped e30 that required only a single pinout change. I can swap back to an afm and bolt the cat back on with a narrowband, got a new distributor and tps for smog, swap ecu back to the stock one for my m30 with the sticker from the m20 on it and pass with flying colors. Even passes visual, made the intake come out the driver's side and hammered 80 grit on the piece covering the original opening in the manifold to look factory. Pops has a 95 Land Rover with a 4.6 where the 3.9 was that passes too, getting around smog laws is a family tradition.
To sum up years and years of proof in one statement.. California law is mostly based off of emotion and pandering, not science (which they preach), and it really sucks to live there only because of its government. Otherwise its great and beautiful.
Thats why we live somewhere else and visit cali, enjoying the fruits of their labor while not being affected by their governing bullsheiza
@@AltoTheGod Aye this guy gets it
Beautiful? The air is brown here. 🤣
@@juggsauce that's here in the central valley where I live ): I used to live near LA, every year I'd go visit family in Northern California and going over the "grapevine" (basically a big mountain highway you drive over to drive out of Southern California) you can see the layer of brown fog as you decend into the central valley Bakersfield, CA, and its like that from.bakersfield all the way to the bay area/Sacramento California area
@@robreeto Yeah and that layer of brown fog would look 100x worse if it weren't for the strict Cali emissions standards that conservatives love crying about so much. The only reason LA is even livable is because the government did the right thing and made an aggressive push toward cleaner air and it totally worked.
If you think the Government has good ideas, remember what they did to gas cans.
I don’t really know what you mean, could someone elaborate?
They also gave the taliban SO much weapons, and banned russian ammo imports which made russian ammo skyrocket in price and fucked over a lot of gun guys
@@SL_RivviN aww so sad 😢
Best comment here, hands down
Like how the government fixes and builds roads, steal your money or taxes, war on drugs, 2a, mask, certain virus, agent orange it's about control.
5:34 Maybe worth mentioning that the air-fuel ratio is a mass ratio (not a volume ratio, as one might expect). I believe chemical stoichiometry in general is based on (molar) mass, because that's what determines the energy released and it doesn't change with density.
Gotta love seeing Volvo d12 diesel injectors when talking about switching from a carburetor lol
California and unnecessary laws to address a non-issue. Shocker.
God forbid they try to solve the homeless issue and heroin epidemic
Just like "gun control".
Communists
@@LeArmBoss It's a pity because California is such a beautiful and unique state, but issues like homelessness and the abundance of heroin needles on the ground make me hesitant to visit the cities there.
@@LeArmBoss Let em do all the heroin they want, population control. That state is overcrowded, and thats an understatement. If junkies wanna shoot up and stop their heartbeat, thats their choice.
Jerimiah spent about 30 seconds talking about how ecu tuning could effect emissions, and the rest on how an ecu works. Was hoping he would get into details about how modern 3 way cats convert both NOx AND unburned gas into compliant emissions, regardless of power levels.
That is a complex answer but he somewhat did answer your question in an overall view of emissions and tuning.
With NOx being formed from too lean or too much timing, EGTs really climb causing the partial fusion of Nitrogen and Oxygen. The EGR and other ECU control sensors help reduce this.
The other end with unburned fuel or high HC, the use of an air pump, Cat, and all of the ECU control sensors reduce this.
Your point on the newer catalytic converters would be a good topic, however I think he is making a general case for the ECU being tuned and thus prohibited even though it most likely polluting less if tuned correctly.
I was hoping to see a car that proved the point that tunes can run as clean or cleaner then factory.
Catalyst operation is just about balancing how rich/lean and how long you are rich/lean for each catalyst. Balancing all of that is how OEM's really optimize post light off emissions. For that, you use both the first O2/WB sensor as well as the catalyst monitor O2 sensor.
And thinking that after market tuners can do that better without all of the emissions detection components is kind of a stretch.
@@alfamaize...if you are removing sensors you are making the ecu less effective at making power...why on 🌎 would we want to do that?
@@martindinner3621 No, I'm not removing anything, I'm just pointing out big drivers for catalyst optimization,. All of the other sensors are required to get the air calculation even close enough for the front and rear sensors to even be useful.
A lot of people also switch over to E85 when trying to make more power, which has the added benifit of burning cleaner than regualar gasoline. The war on speed rages on getting dumber every year.
Diesel guys have been saying it for years. Emissions laws and regulations have nothing to do with reducing emissions.
Like the coal rollers? Because f those people.
I don't live in Cali but I definitely care. Once Cali starts doing this, other states will probably follow :/
Cali is the reason we had to return our awesome TDi in the first place
Return a car you own? WTF I would tell them to take whatever and shove it up their rear. Now I'm not a fan of Volkswagens myself but to each their own and I know a lot of my customers love their tdi's. If I want a diesel I'm going to roll coal and ain't nobody going to stop me, I live in Kentucky where we don't give a shit about that stuff
I hope you're talking about the massive recall the TDI had a number of years back, where thousands were bought back for a number of reasons (probably good, probably bad, I don't remember) but if you had to return a car for no good reason other than a bs law created by dipshits, than I am so sorry. The bills and laws created, whether us/local, are 90% fucking garbage.
@@chrisbeck6281 yeah that's what I'm referring to I can't imagine anyone being forced to sell what they own especially if they otherwise like it even if it doesn't truly measure up ..
@@eddieschwab864 glad I don't live in Kentucky lol
Gotta love it
I think an overlooked part of the law is that they have a list of verified manufacturers to make tunable ecus which just creates a barrier to entry for small time companies or ones that don't want to have the government controlling their business as much. Exclusivity in the market is a bad thing
California is nothing but monopolies.
The problem with allowing anyone to tune is that, like VW group demoed is that one can simply have the car perform one way when emission testing and then polute all it wants down the road.
Capitalism! Fuck yeah lol.
Its all a scam to control people and make big profits for huge companies... Nothing more... California is on its way to becoming a full on Communist state. Other cities and states are suffering the same lack of freedoms as well, but Cali is one of the worst.
@@JonHop1 No, they are copying the European model: if you want a faster car you must buy a faster car from the manufacturer and pay the government their pound of flesh in taxes.
"Why are they banning ECU tuning?" That's the same thing as asking "why did a Florida man take a whole 'gator on a beer run"?
originally they weren't writing code, but installing basic electronic components before ecu controls would correct for variance. Things like resistors, coils, and small circuits
Similar to how CA treats guns. They make random laws that force awkward designs and make the guns more difficult and dangerous to use and only approve certain guns they deem "safe". When new versions with new safety features come out, they are illegal because they aren't on the "safe" list which is created by people who know nothing about guns. For example, 3rd gen glocks are "safe" but the new 4th and 5th gens with improved safety features are not. They're just doing the same thing with cars. Politicians constantly legislate about stuff they don't know anything about and pass laws that accomplish the opposite of their stated goal. They don't want to actually create any benefit, they just want to create an illusion that they can pretend helped somehow.
It's amazing how uneducated politicians are on the things they are legislating. Lobbyists are supposed to be educating them, but really all they are doing is buying laws that work in the lobbyist's favor.
It's a broken system, but still better than any other system that's been devised.
First time at the range, one of the guys had an AR-15 to shoot. I was excited and let down at the exact moment he showed me how they’re reloaded here. I looked like a bumbling idiot using that pink plastic hook thingy to press the mag release. Handicapping legal gun owners for what? To commit legal crimes I guess lmao makes the aesthetics worse because of that chode ass magazine.
It's all about being able to control you.
@@FunkkyPanda69 I mean, most criminals are technically just legal gun owners prior to their first crime. I mean, if someone decides to shoot up a place, and they haven't been convicted prior, they are just a "legal gun owner". We know in societies that "most" people follow "most" laws, "most" of the time. If this wasn't true, we wouldn't have any laws.
@@rdizzy1 and forks make people fat and pencils misspell words. The constitution was very clear on “shall not be infringed”. Allowing these illegal restrictions to become law is a dangerous game. Once your rights are gone, they’re gone. And by passing these stupid laws like your AR-15 needs to have a screwed up grip so you can’t properly handle it and actually making it dangerous. You think a thug cares to make sure his gun is up to par if he wants to rob you?
I live in New Jersey, but I am still concerned about other states possibly adopting this mindset. Everyday car or sports car emissions are important, but most tunes don't throw emissions out the window. The custom tunes should be allowed if they fall within emission guidelines.
Actually most proper tunes run cleaner than factory tune because optimizing for every bit of air and gas to get more power. Certain turns I’m sure aren’t better, I was messing with options when tuning my car and one of them was injector overrun, basically in addition to normal cycle it injects fuel after combustion cycle and during the exhaust stroke to send fuel out of the exhaust and cause crackles/pops and flames.
The thing is, even flames and raw fuel in exhaust are less polluting then a modern car with a bad MAF or MAP sensor or a lazy O2 sensor that isn’t throwing and codes or CEL. And as someone who worked in a shop for a little while, even during my time I seen plenty of sensors that are bad but not throwing codes and OBD-II emissions are happy and complete, even if it’s pumping smoke at WOT. The ironic thing is, in most states including cali, a lazy or bad sensor not throwing codes would pass emissions even if pumping black smoke on WOT, because not testing from tailpipe, testing from the ODB-II port for emissions which is just stupid.
@@Getfuqqedfedboy The hotter it runs the more NOx it emits. More power makes more NOx because it's leaner of a mix. The other direction makes more carbon that's unburnt. Tuning shops NEVER sniff the NOx and carbon at the tailpipe, but they do check the power. Guess what that means is actually being emitted from the pipe. Mo powah baby... and nobody checks the NOx and carbon.
Not gonna lie if they’re not tail pipe sniffing skirting emissions is super easy
The fact is that you could pull a Volkswagen and submit one set of behavior for testing, and another for actual driving. Or just change the tune before and after inspection. The assholes have ruined it for everyone, as they so often do.
The only solution would be to allow cars to be stopped and emissions-checked on the side of the road, without allowing time for any components (including firmware) to be updated. That still won't solve Dieselgate shenanigans. Since it's not possible to confirm that someone is loading firmware that actually respects the emissions laws, it's necessary to limit the options to those which _can_ be vetted. I'm sorry tuning is dead, but I blame VW (and any other automaker that cheated, meaning pretty much "everyone but Mazda") and the coal rollers.
I think it might have something to do with the traffic law "disorderly conduct with a motor vehicle". which in most states clearly state "Backfiring" under that law. Which you can do with ecu tuning.
Germans be like: "Reinhardt, say hello the new clubmember!"
That overwatch reference
Thats just not true, ecu tune isnt illegal in germany...
@@D3nn1s If it isn't "TÜV" approved it's illegal in Germany. And that same principle is now in California.
@@lucaskufner679 yes, but the ideo state any custum ecu would be banned. Thats not the case.
If the video is wrong about that then just ignore my comment, i dont intend to research this since it doesnt affect me at all^^
Do u realize how simple you sound when you say "such and such be like"
The law isn't about emissions, safety or logic, they just want to ban "those cars". These are the same people that mandated electric cars and then started a "Public Service" campaign to conserve energy to help prevent a collapse of the electrical grid.
If only this level of scrutiny applied to the power plants and industrial enterprises. By this logic we should limit the maximum rate at which EVs can accelerate as it uses a tremendous amount of power, the pollution is just done else where.
the pollution is just done somewhere else is true...the deal is..it's already being made..the EV won't make "more"...making and transporting gasoline makes pollution somewhere else too...the gas then makes even more...google number of oil pipeline spills 2020..that's pollution "else where" from you would be my guess...
@@mikeadams2351 You're actually quite wrong, especially when you factor in what you're grids power runs off and how long those batteries last before having to be replaced. Planet of the humans was a good documentary on it, produced by Micheal Moore.
Where I am in BC EV's are kinda practical because of how we get our power, hydro and natural gas, but even then we're still using natural gas.
A lot of places in the US are still using natural gas including California, and worse yet; they are importing power from places, which normally isn't too bad depending on the distance, but Californias importing energy from as far away as where I am (a different country), so EV's are way less practical for you guys...
@@mikeadams2351 it's not energy that's already being made... If you're charging your car once a day you'll pull the equivalent kw of coal from the powerplant... Granted that it is a small load compared to all the power produced but it isn't energy that has been already made... You'll increase the load on the power station and it will be feed more fuel than usual... So if you accelerate more you'll have decreased range, wich leads to more charging and therefore more coal being burned... Just cause you don't see it doesn't mean electricity is just this magical thing that we can use without consequence... You floor it you'll burn more coal...
Your understanding of how a power plant works is just gross and upsetting... This is why EVs are so easy to sell to dumb people, cause they "don't pollute"...
@@darronpattel this guy is filling up the comment section with nonsense... He's clearly a smartass, and probably wrote some of these dumb laws...
@Triston Stuart That's a bit wrong too, seeing as the batteries are improving all the time.
I think in the next 20 years electric cars could possibly be a good alternative to gas power, but the battery issue is a big one, its keeping things like solar and wind from being a viable option in most places.
With all that being said: I doubt EV's will replace combustion completely for at least 50 years, even longer in some areas simply because of how they get their power, and how long the batteries last.
Plus by the time that's a reality, I don't think they'll need to ban combustion vehicles simply because by then we'll have enough alternative energies that actually work properly so that wont be necessary.
Also by then hopefully they'll be regulating the corporations more then they do the little guy, a lot of these BS regulations (aircare, ecu ban, etc) wouldn't even be necessary if they went after the big industrial polluters....
Australia has been like this for years, but it's only really aftermarket parts that stand out.
You can use aftermarket here but you have to have a full smog test. It's super involved, done on a rolling road for set conditions. And it's pass/fail.
Yo! That Richard dude tuned my STi back in the day!! In Utah🤯
They are literally going to see so many more of those old school carbureted builds now. They're going to wish they just let people tune their car's ECU. I'm sure in time we won't even be able to drive gasoline cars on the road in the near future. Or I should say internal combustion engines.
Well, that depends on how lazy the population is and if they just go along with Agenda 21.
@@illegalopinions4082 wait for legislation threatening cheap food products, and people will rise as fast as they can.
@@illegalopinions4082 lemme guess you're not anti-Semitic cos Zionism isn't Judaism or some bullshit?
This has already happened in some places. The government is trying to force people to stop buying new ICE cars by taxing the hell out of them. Result: the most sold car became a used +10 year old diesel. Much better for the environment, right?
Politicians are retarded.
I was gonna get into Japanese sports cars but now it makes more sense for me to get my uncles old 73 c10 in the backyard and take it off non op and put it back on the road. Runs and drives, has a 350, manual 3 speed short bed stepside. Just chilling. It will definitely put more of a dent in the ozone than a ej or fa would. Good Ole 350 with some headers and a edlebrock running a little rich. I feel like the art of building old 350s will come back now. The only thing it needs is new wooden bed planks and I'm curious how hard a solid axle swap would be. Building a step side short bed k10. It's fine as a 2wd cruiser but I want the solid axle. I'll see if I can find a k sieres for cheap first.
"I'm the smartest guy in Florida, but that doesn't really mean anything."
HAHAHAHAHAHA
I will leave your 69 likes untouched.😁
3:44 That Matrix 4 teaser was lit!!!
There has to be someone that this is all going exactly as planned for
Joe Biden
I feel as if California is trying to shape who and what they want in this state
can't imagine being the state of laguna seca and willow springs and actively trying to crush the enthusiast automotive industry
@@bangkokinc.4233 you spelt demonrat wrong
@@ldsgarage7142 thanks Facebook grandpa
So homeless and people taken a dump on the sidewalk 🤣
That's like every state with their laws, just like Texas and their new abortion laws, or Utah and their weird alcohol laws. If you don't like it, you're essentially left with the decision to stay and suck it up, leave, or perhaps speak up against it.
I feel like California gets worse every year.
It's far from just a feeling.
One word…..liberals
Screwsom loves to screw the taxpayers
@@arjnarersn01 authoritarians. The modern Left - HQed in Holywoke - is the modern day version of Jerry Falwell and his misnamed 'Moral Majority'. It's a new religion.
it does
Should have brought up points that running richer destroys cats, and running more advanced timing increases cylinder temps along with NOx. NOx and HC(unburnt fuel) cause smog. Or maybe you did mention it...idk. I cant sleep at 1AM. lol. Always enjoy your vids man. Always solid info.
So do this mean if I turn off my TPMS light with ODM my jeep will not pass in Ca? This is just another reason to pack up and get hell out of that state
This is what happens when the law makers have no idea about what they're making laws for.
As someone who is learning ECU Tuning i can only say that its the same thing here in Germany. Legal ECU Tunes are available, but you would be paying serious Coin for the Tune itself that it has a TÜV Certification... But as of this point, i havent heard of Police looking for a tune on the ECU
I know plenty of people over there who are able to defeat the TUEV (sorry no umlaut on my keyboard) or just get a friend at a station to sign off. If I ever move over there I will go to NL as they do not have any gestapo hangovers in TUV form.
That TUV certification would be like California's C.A.R.B. certification, but C.A.R.B. only deals with emissions.
California isn't allowing police to go around looking for vehicles with ECU tunes. That would violate the constitution since they can't justify any such search.
@@aaronthomas6155 They can pull you over for driving a modified car, and that right there is "probable cause" to search/inspect the vehicle for compliance. That is why you have to have your C.A.R.B. sticker visible and ledgable, other wise it's a ticket and possibly a tow/impound.
I live in New York and my ecu lies to the inspection reader about not having a cat. Only a matter of time til they test our exhausts.
Damn, the man who tells everyone to be kind drag races every light... who would have thought?!
I love how the state of California hates fun cars and regulates the hell out of it but so many good car shows are produced there. It's ironic
They should vote in Larry Elder to save their car culture and state as a whole
California is a capitalist hellhole and their laws reflect that. This ban on ecu tuning is simply put in place in order to persuade people into paying more money for sport trimmed cars instead of upgrading a base trim car down the line for cheaper.
@@ToaGresh300 I love seeing the contradictions come to a head like this lol
@@wotwott2319 There are absolutely no way that California is capitalist, the point of capitalism it that you can buy anything you like in California it's the complete opposite.
@@wotwott2319 capitalism is economic model. It is like complaining about gravity when someone through a stone.
Ask your government to stop interfering with the economy, because capitalism or not, this is the problem.
I would love to see an unedited video of the conversation with the tuner. People like that are a gold mine of information.
Right?! I was just starting to get all nostalgic about tech school when they decided to hit fast forward. :/
The video has no dislike. This is rare. Goodjob.
Cali was the birth place of so much car culture. I pray for the Cali car culture.
I'd love to see them check the ECU on my '91 Honda Accord (OBD1).
Also, California's turning into Little China and it pisses me off. *_Stop voting for these people!_*
I have obd0 muhahaha, no cel for this VW!
@Sideways G nobody is going to be wasting their time opening your 91's ECU.
It’s almost like California doesn’t care about making sense 🤭
Cali hates all cars that you want to have fun with.
@@elijahbarra584 California has been struggling with air pollution for decades, so it kinda makes sense for them to start cracking down on the emission levels of vehicles. However, I also feel like this is a Hail Mary from governor newsom to raise his approval ratings at the last minute.
@@elijahbarra584 more like they dislike ANYTHING remotely cool
@@Jack-cz5su I work in the industry and pretty much Newsom just wants to squeeze the automotive industry out and make it to where only the manufactures exist and no more aftermarket or mom and pop shops, for the most part the parts that do get put on peoples cars actually make the vehicle more efficient and burn cleaner the issue is when people neglect performing their maintenance on their vehicle, also I would be looking elsewhere for emission levels, cars have such a low level even the bill that bans the sale of new I.C.E. vehicles he signed will only lower it by approx one third and they want everyone to have an electric vehicle but then not bother upgrading the grid to be able to handle the increase of electric vehicles. I think I'd probably update the grid before saying that they don't want anymore new I.C.E. vehicles. In a way its just a new way to fine people and to have more control over what you can and can't do with your property
NAZI!!!
Note if your tuned ecu has an EO from CARB you can use it. A number are submitted (some may alreadybe approved? But none that I am looking at)
Once again, I am reminded of the ol' adage "No replacement for displacement".
until they ban engines over 4 liters
edit: autocorrect :/
The replacement is a sequential turbo set up.
"I'm the smartest guy in Florida but that doesn't mean a lot" 😂
That shit made me pause to crack up
Very impressive...with NASA being in Cape Canaveral.
@@DC5Brandon adding Pratt & Whitney in West Palm Beach. Robotic "imagineers" at Disney. Missile and fire control division of Lockheed Martin in Orlando, etc. Alot of great talent out of Florida.
I’m in CA, with a couple tuned cars - one of which is due for smog. I flashed the original map on, and am driving it 100 miles for all sensors to be “ready”. A lot of uncertainty and rumors if a car will fail if the ecu has ever been modified, even if you show up on the stock map.
Subaru was known for their lean tunes. My STi ran poorly on stock tune. Turbo boost was inconsistent. A tune smoothed all that out giving me much better drivability - especially in the 3-4k rpm range where I spend most of my time.
I’m sure eventually the performance crowd will all switch to EVs, once they start offering ones with performance handling - and then shortly after that, CA will come after tuners for running batteries at a higher amp rate or whatever they do to EVs to create maximum power.
“CA bans electric motor tuning because it generates more ozone.”
Get out and vote that Governor of yours out!
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Not all ECU swaps will be illegal. My Dinan tuned 540i/6 has a stage 2 tuning that is certified and registered to meet all California smog requirements and is 50 state legal. It has passed smog tests for 23 years and is still putting out almost ZERO emissions. It wasn't cheap but the best never is. No worries !
I do live in Ca. and hope this gets sorted out somehow but kind of doubt it will. I guess we could flash a car back to stock tune for smog testing.
The fact that there still is a car scene in California is insane if i lived there i would of moved out by now
Trust me, we’re trying😖
My friend moved to Portland and he misses the car scene here in Cali...
Florida is where it’s at 😎
Biggest car scene in the country lol
Enthusiasts can afford to pay a shop that puts in the time to get a CARB legal tune
it's always nice to listen the "suck-squeeze-bang-blow"tune, i would love to have that as my personal ringtone
Try "Jeep Stuff" by the loveable idiots at Neebs Gaming. It will at least make you giggle.
@@antonylaws6554 much appreciated mate 😂