Besides having a firearm addiction lol, I'm on an Emergency response team at a chemical plant I work for here in Texas, we go to fire school (exterior and industrial), Emt, hazmat, confined space, and high angle rescue training yearly at different times and places. I like the high-angle rescue stuff, but man I'm just terrible at remembering all the different knots, I have to get better. Just wanted to say man I'm loving the content and I know you put in some hours to make it happen so thank you. Even though some of us do this for work, I think this Knowledge and these skills are valuable to everyone willing to learn them.
@calebspinks196 I'm in the Beaumont portarthur area. I have been to Teex a couple of times, but we have a decent size training facility here in Beaumont iris that's where we usually go.
For this application a frictionless anchor is likely a better option. Multiple wraps of the rope around the tree results in an anchor that doesnt reduce the rope strength in any way and is generally simple and easy. It’s great to see some more sar content though!
Honestly, with the burly static lines that are generally used for rescue, I suspect the monolithic anchor is almost always going to be the weak point, even with the knot
Classic and basic anchors. Am a huge fan of the Bowline with Yosemite finish as opposed to the stopper. Slightly more complex but anchors that are rigged for rescue offer a huge advantage, especially for that first initial contact. If you don't get your fall line just right and need to re-anchor or deviate. If you need to adjust a rub point on your rope. Can convert to a haul or a lower. Just opens up so many possibilities and doesn't take any more equipment than you used there.
I was taught a variant of that double bowline anchor in military mountaineering- double figure 8 on the standing side of the bowline and hook your loop into it. Insurance against either knot being incorrect or a line breakage. We used it with double lines almost exclusively.
As an LEO having done both tactical and gorge rescue work (and I've done some climbing in the Gunks), we never used one anchor point--even in a rush. It's rather rare to only have one available anchor point. Find a backup! Also, I'd stress the buddy system in terms of setting the anchors. Nobody goes over until two people check the anchors. We had a trooper die in a gorge training accident because the (single!) anchor was not set properly. Someone always watches the other set it, and then they physically double check it. I've seen plenty of bowlines that looked OK at a glance, but were not really a bowline! Also, I think I noticed that you set up the locking 'biners with opposed gates. Not sure it is necessary with locking 'biners, though it sure doesn't hurt. In a jam however, opposed gates are definitely advised if you do not have the locking type but "got to over fast". Nice video. Keep them coming!
monolithic anchors are fine, but they have to truly be good enough and used in the right context. For ice and alpine we use more monolithics than for rock. However there are still times when it is good for rock. If you are unsure about when it is and isn't ok to use a monolithic anchor I suggest you work on anchor skills with an AMGA certified guide.
New York State just needs to invest a little more time and money into their trooper’s training. “Absolutes” and “always” are used for people with just enough knowledge to get themselves into trouble. But to say you always need two anchors just simply isn’t true and to have to constantly check someone’s knot, well that fella probably needs more training. It’s great to be safe but it’s even better to be expedient and trusted when lives are at stake.
Thank you for what you do. I hope you get to hear that your videos helped save someone's life. But then again I also hope that nobody ever needs this info. You know what I mean.
As a climber myself the techniques depicted are overall good. I'd go no problem for a 1 point bomber anchor... ie: a solid boulder, an ice pillar, a 15 centimeter diameter tree, etc. Just one tip: always build your belay/rappel anchor as close to the ground as possible keeping a low angle between the sling/webbing/cordelette and the ground
This is a great video, I do SAR in Arizona. There aren’t trees to use as anchors in the mountains I go to. We have to build Trad anchors or use pitons. Dig the high angle content though!
Thanks man! I would love to do more videos like this as well. I was fortunate enough to have a super legit film crew with me for this project which makes it a lot easier. As a one man band it’s a lot more challenging to do
interesting concept, but coming from speleology and speleo rescue, my mind is always going to making backup anchor and then primary one......but still, job of sar medic is fast access so rope systems dont realy need to be build for whole team to use it all day. wonderful video, would be cool to see more on this topic from you prepmedic.
Sweet video. I am currently an EMT and a climber. I’ve got some outdoor lead climbing/rappelling experience and would really dig combining the two. Currently have my sites on becoming a fire medic and hoping to get into high-angle rescue stuff with a department, but as far as other SAR is it generally volunteer in the US?
What's the advantage of the Shoe-Lace Anchor over just a Basket Hitch, a Girth Hitch, or a a Basket with a Half Twist? Keep the amazing content coming! -M
So I’ll be honest, I don’t know. This isn’t my area of expertise, I just do what I am told to do by people like John who know way more then I do. My guess is simply ease of use. The shoelace is easier and faster to tie, especially for someone like me who runs maybe 1-3 missions that require rappelling every year.
Hey Sam, it appears you might have lost your razor… I’ve heard good things about Jeremy’s Razors, in case you’re interested. 😜 (They have an epic ad video too!)
For those who’ve never heard the easy way to remember the bowline, the working end of your rope jumps up out of the pond, behind the tree and then back into the pond. (Just make sure the tree is behind the pond.)
Nah dude, it is : "The rabbit comes out of the hole. Goes around the tree, and then back in the hole." 🙃 but, like you said make sure that the tree is behind the hole, and... rabbit/frog lands on the inside of the loop created (goes the right way around the tree).
I'd like to highly recommend a resource for people interested in this subject. It's a YT channel called HARD IS EASY. Highly educational on topics around climbing and equipment which is absolutely applicable to what was discussed here. The latest video (05 April) is particularly relevant to rescue work, IMHO. Another channel does a lot of testing of equipment is HOW NOT TO HIGHLINE. For those of you still putting your life on the line (pun intended) on a 9.5 or even a 11 mm rope, it behooves you to see some realistic testing and the often surprising results.
Isn't your 'double bowline` actually called a 'bowline on a bite`? (Sincere question; I have gotten old and forgotten most of the stuff I learned 25+ years ago that isn't used on a regular basis.)... which is why I am watching "Rappelling for Beginners" videos on RUclips
Honestly it’s overkill. But it is that standard a lot of rope rescue outfits teach to. It is a stronger knot but the rope remains the more likely failure point in either the double or single method
I would not say it is overkill. The double bowline is an extremely useful knot that seems to not be getting the credit it deserves. The bowline is extremely easy to tie making it efficient. The double bowline is nice because along with the efficiency it A, makes the anchor you are tying redundant and B, it is great if you are working with anything other than the end of the rope. So definitely useful and good to practice.
@@JS-zb1vv I was taught it's for a line breakage, it certainty works as a ground demo( tie it, tension, cut one loop), but I've never seen it with a man on the line. No safety downside I can see compared to a single, possible benefit.....
@@jamesbridges7750 just a useless knot !! Lol no real use at all ! Probably a 99% chance if one of the loops breaks the other will too ! Show a direct tie off or a running double overhand Retrace 8 ! All options!! All are accomplishing the same thing! But a doubled up bowline anchor is useless. A double loop bow line has a use ! It’s good to talk about these things !! Neat to hear how everyone is taught! I’ve got to train with almost every FEMA usar team and lots of military teams . You would think we would all be on the same page but we aren’t even close sometimes lol !
@@JS-zb1vvPat Rogers used to say-"All policing is regional "- it ain't just policing, and it's also crazily time dependent. Somebody like me who learned from grizzled old Nam and Korea vets probably has an entirely different methodology than someone who learned at NYESU last month.
Thank you for the video. This is very important information, But... Can you have a non-climber go thru your video before you publish? Like at 3:18 teaching a technique to people who obviously know the technique, is not helpful. I saw you flip the beaners and you never said why or if it is important. There were many words and phrases peppered in that do not make sense to a new person. If you are going to teach, please teach.
To put it simply, this video is not made for a non-climber. Beginners maybe, but it isn’t to get someone off the ground with zero rope experience. The terms used are mainly types of equipment that can be easily googled and the carabiner flipping is style points (and add a some security) but not all together necessary when preparing these setups.
Буча. Вы понимаете меня русские? Вы все умрёте. Каждый из вас будет умирать медленно, чтобы вы прочувствовали всю боль и страдания людей за столетия вашего гнилого существования. Уж мы об этом позаботимся.
Besides having a firearm addiction lol, I'm on an Emergency response team at a chemical plant I work for here in Texas, we go to fire school (exterior and industrial), Emt, hazmat, confined space, and high angle rescue training yearly at different times and places. I like the high-angle rescue stuff, but man I'm just terrible at remembering all the different knots, I have to get better. Just wanted to say man I'm loving the content and I know you put in some hours to make it happen so thank you. Even though some of us do this for work, I think this Knowledge and these skills are valuable to everyone willing to learn them.
That’s great !! The old sayin is tie a knot tie a lot !!
Any chance you’re in the Houston area? May have run into you at TEEX. I’m also in the petrochemical industry involved with emergency response as well.
@calebspinks196 I'm in the Beaumont portarthur area. I have been to Teex a couple of times, but we have a decent size training facility here in Beaumont iris that's where we usually go.
For this application a frictionless anchor is likely a better option. Multiple wraps of the rope around the tree results in an anchor that doesnt reduce the rope strength in any way and is generally simple and easy. It’s great to see some more sar content though!
Great point and fantastic wording!
Honestly, with the burly static lines that are generally used for rescue, I suspect the monolithic anchor is almost always going to be the weak point, even with the knot
I think you mean "tensionless hitch anchor," but I agree 100%. Not sure why they didn't do that. It's a no brainer in this application.
As the SAR commander are SOP to get em's to the patient is always the tensionless way fast, bomber proof
Excellent. When you tied that last knot, I thought, that would be the perfect place for a carabiner and it would never go anywhere. Then you did it!
Classic and basic anchors. Am a huge fan of the Bowline with Yosemite finish as opposed to the stopper. Slightly more complex but anchors that are rigged for rescue offer a huge advantage, especially for that first initial contact. If you don't get your fall line just right and need to re-anchor or deviate. If you need to adjust a rub point on your rope. Can convert to a haul or a lower. Just opens up so many possibilities and doesn't take any more equipment than you used there.
Awesome. Love the wilderness med content!
I was taught a variant of that double bowline anchor in military mountaineering- double figure 8 on the standing side of the bowline and hook your loop into it. Insurance against either knot being incorrect or a line breakage. We used it with double lines almost exclusively.
As an LEO having done both tactical and gorge rescue work (and I've done some climbing in the Gunks), we never used one anchor point--even in a rush. It's rather rare to only have one available anchor point. Find a backup! Also, I'd stress the buddy system in terms of setting the anchors. Nobody goes over until two people check the anchors. We had a trooper die in a gorge training accident because the (single!) anchor was not set properly. Someone always watches the other set it, and then they physically double check it. I've seen plenty of bowlines that looked OK at a glance, but were not really a bowline! Also, I think I noticed that you set up the locking 'biners with opposed gates. Not sure it is necessary with locking 'biners, though it sure doesn't hurt. In a jam however, opposed gates are definitely advised if you do not have the locking type but "got to over fast". Nice video. Keep them coming!
Opposing carabiners are more for lead climbing! When Falling the rope can actually unscrew them !!
monolithic anchors are fine, but they have to truly be good enough and used in the right context. For ice and alpine we use more monolithics than for rock. However there are still times when it is good for rock. If you are unsure about when it is and isn't ok to use a monolithic anchor I suggest you work on anchor skills with an AMGA certified guide.
@@JS-zb1vv For anchors like this I like a steel mallion instead of a carabiner, tighten it down with a little spanner, good to go.
New York State just needs to invest a little more time and money into their trooper’s training. “Absolutes” and “always” are used for people with just enough knowledge to get themselves into trouble. But to say you always need two anchors just simply isn’t true and to have to constantly check someone’s knot, well that fella probably needs more training. It’s great to be safe but it’s even better to be expedient and trusted when lives are at stake.
I've been teaching rope & confined space for 24 years. Like your video and teaching techniques. And i really like the variation on the bowline.
Awesome content! Really digging the wilderness and sar content.
Thank you for what you do. I hope you get to hear that your videos helped save someone's life. But then again I also hope that nobody ever needs this info. You know what I mean.
As a climber myself the techniques depicted are overall good. I'd go no problem for a 1 point bomber anchor... ie: a solid boulder, an ice pillar, a 15 centimeter diameter tree, etc. Just one tip: always build your belay/rappel anchor as close to the ground as possible keeping a low angle between the sling/webbing/cordelette and the ground
Awesome video. I hope we can see more like this in the future.
Love it, please include more SAR content!!
Great vid. A good change of pace.
This is a great video, I do SAR in Arizona. There aren’t trees to use as anchors in the mountains I go to. We have to build Trad anchors or use pitons. Dig the high angle content though!
Love to see more austere stuff on the channel
Very cool. Would love to see more in the field video like this
Thanks man! I would love to do more videos like this as well. I was fortunate enough to have a super legit film crew with me for this project which makes it a lot easier. As a one man band it’s a lot more challenging to do
@@PrepMedic you do amazing work . Keep it up
interesting concept, but coming from speleology and speleo rescue, my mind is always going to making backup anchor and then primary one......but still, job of sar medic is fast access so rope systems dont realy need to be build for whole team to use it all day. wonderful video, would be cool to see more on this topic from you prepmedic.
Seriously thanks for this video! And now, after all this, you can connect it to your swiss seat or baudrier? Is this correct?
Sweet video. I am currently an EMT and a climber. I’ve got some outdoor lead climbing/rappelling experience and would really dig combining the two. Currently have my sites on becoming a fire medic and hoping to get into high-angle rescue stuff with a department, but as far as other SAR is it generally volunteer in the US?
yes SAR teams are volunteer, you can look at info on it by finding out which MRA teams are around you
What's the advantage of the Shoe-Lace Anchor over just a Basket Hitch, a Girth Hitch, or a a Basket with a Half Twist?
Keep the amazing content coming!
-M
So I’ll be honest, I don’t know. This isn’t my area of expertise, I just do what I am told to do by people like John who know way more then I do. My guess is simply ease of use. The shoelace is easier and faster to tie, especially for someone like me who runs maybe 1-3 missions that require rappelling every year.
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What about using the alpine butterfly knot ?
What's the width and length of that runner you're using for shoelace?
I wasnt Able tot see the lock placed during the last knot. could you show how tot secure that knot?
Question: doesn't the knot in the anchor at 3:20 reduce the strength of the anchor material?
It will yes, but still strong enough for a single person load, I would prefer a tensionless hitch to both of these options though
Hey Sam, it appears you might have lost your razor… I’ve heard good things about Jeremy’s Razors, in case you’re interested. 😜 (They have an epic ad video too!)
For those who’ve never heard the easy way to remember the bowline, the working end of your rope jumps up out of the pond, behind the tree and then back into the pond. (Just make sure the tree is behind the pond.)
And back it up, safety, Yosemite finish whatever.
Nah dude, it is : "The rabbit comes out of the hole. Goes around the tree, and then back in the hole." 🙃 but, like you said make sure that the tree is behind the hole, and... rabbit/frog lands on the inside of the loop created (goes the right way around the tree).
Do you teach classes
I'd like to highly recommend a resource for people interested in this subject. It's a YT channel called HARD IS EASY. Highly educational on topics around climbing and equipment which is absolutely applicable to what was discussed here. The latest video (05 April) is particularly relevant to rescue work, IMHO. Another channel does a lot of testing of equipment is HOW NOT TO HIGHLINE. For those of you still putting your life on the line (pun intended) on a 9.5 or even a 11 mm rope, it behooves you to see some realistic testing and the often surprising results.
Isn't your 'double bowline` actually called a 'bowline on a bite`? (Sincere question; I have gotten old and forgotten most of the stuff I learned 25+ years ago that isn't used on a regular basis.)... which is why I am watching "Rappelling for Beginners" videos on RUclips
No, two very different knots.
Bowline The rabbit jumps out of the hole and runs around the tree then jumps back in the hole easy to remember
Why would a fella use a double bowline?
Honestly it’s overkill. But it is that standard a lot of rope rescue outfits teach to. It is a stronger knot but the rope remains the more likely failure point in either the double or single method
Was taught it will hold if either side fails, it's used with dual lines mostly.
I would not say it is overkill. The double bowline is an extremely useful knot that seems to not be getting the credit it deserves. The bowline is extremely easy to tie making it efficient. The double bowline is nice because along with the efficiency it A, makes the anchor you are tying redundant and B, it is great if you are working with anything other than the end of the rope. So definitely useful and good to practice.
@@laszlogonzalez-aller8664 midline secondary anchor is a good point
these are the slowest ways to knit a bowline knot
The double bowline doesn’t do anything different from a standard other than take up more rope .
True, but it is the standard a lot of rope rescue outfits teach.
@@PrepMedic but I don’t know why they even teach it . It’s absolutely useless lol teach something useful!!!
@@JS-zb1vv I was taught it's for a line breakage, it certainty works as a ground demo( tie it, tension, cut one loop), but I've never seen it with a man on the line. No safety downside I can see compared to a single, possible benefit.....
@@jamesbridges7750 just a useless knot !! Lol no real use at all ! Probably a 99% chance if one of the loops breaks the other will too ! Show a direct tie off or a running double overhand Retrace 8 ! All options!! All are accomplishing the same thing! But a doubled up bowline anchor is useless. A double loop bow line has a use ! It’s good to talk about these things !! Neat to hear how everyone is taught! I’ve got to train with almost every FEMA usar team and lots of military teams . You would think we would all be on the same page but we aren’t even close sometimes lol !
@@JS-zb1vvPat Rogers used to say-"All policing is regional "- it ain't just policing, and it's also crazily time dependent. Somebody like me who learned from grizzled old Nam and Korea vets probably has an entirely different methodology than someone who learned at NYESU last month.
Thank you for the video. This is very important information, But... Can you have a non-climber go thru your video before you publish? Like at 3:18 teaching a technique to people who obviously know the technique, is not helpful. I saw you flip the beaners and you never said why or if it is important. There were many words and phrases peppered in that do not make sense to a new person. If you are going to teach, please teach.
To put it simply, this video is not made for a non-climber. Beginners maybe, but it isn’t to get someone off the ground with zero rope experience. The terms used are mainly types of equipment that can be easily googled and the carabiner flipping is style points (and add a some security) but not all together necessary when preparing these setups.
Буча. Вы понимаете меня русские? Вы все умрёте. Каждый из вас будет умирать медленно, чтобы вы прочувствовали всю боль и страдания людей за столетия вашего гнилого существования. Уж мы об этом позаботимся.
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