Those humps in the stock oil pan is there so your oil pick up won't suck up air during hard turns and hard accelerations. Also if you change out your oil frequently you don't have to worry about getting out every last drop.
WOW thanks for this information and this flaw gm oil pan design explains why my oil is dirty even after I change it,thanks for the advice and information
It’s been three years. How has the gasket held up? You’re the only one I’ve seen use a gasket instead of RTV. Does Mahle give a life span of the gasket? I like the idea of it. My stock pan is starting to leak at seal a little. Time to upgrade
I like what you have done with your truck. I would suggest building a custom bracket and mounting the fuel filter and water separator higher up in the fender with the bracket mounted to the frame but angled up to place the mount as high as possible for better protection if and when you go off-road. I've torn off long fuel filters that were mounted too low and it's a costly mess to fix. You could have easily taken the bell housing bolt and cut it off a1/4 of an inch and not have modded the new oil pan.
I appreciate it man. I believe that with the filters for sure but i dont really ever go off-road haha. A simple solution for me would be to just run the smaller cat filters too
I would use the same sealant GM used or The Right Stuff rtv. I use that stuff on diff covers or oil pans, especially nodular iron and cast aluminum covers/pans. Creates an excellent seal and bond. RTV isn't that messy or bad to work with....
This gasket i used has held up good so far. No leaks at all. Gasekts and RTV is i guess more of a personal preference i just only use RTV if i dont have another option.
@@jordancampbell8518 it's all good, I've used a lot of both over the years. I noticed Honda over the years has used Honda Bond to seal many machined surfaces and now GM has done the same with similar sealants ( hence the oil pan on your Dmax ). I used the Right Stuff on my Nodular Diff covers on my Jeep for a positive seal and because I do water crossings. I just feel a gasket in some cases can be a headache down the road and almost allow parts to shift or movement between two parts.
@@2015_Rubicnn yeah i know what you mean. Honda does use that stuff for a lot of things and it works well. The gaskets have their weaknesses for sure but as much as we tear stuff apart it saves some hassle haha. I will have to keep some of that in mind though it makes sense.
I just put a bypass centrifuge on my 2015. I also run the PPE filters and am considering the PPE pan as well. No doubt about the quality of PPE filters. I'm at 6000 miles on my oil and still not black like an OEM at 2000 miles.
The new oil pan should have a bigger oil drain plug. To get a little closer to the bottom of pan. For the little time it would take to drill & tap, I’m thinking it would be worth it. But that’s just me
I like cat I’m a heavy equipment operator by trade and prefer cat over other brands but I’ve never been on the cat filter train like everyone else. We replace cat filters with donaldsons. I worked for years on a portable rock crusher I’m sure you can imagine all the rock dust in the air and we used chevron oil products and Donaldson filters. I have a LMM and that’s all I use. Donaldson has a sweet blue oil filter I use DBL7483 and from what I’ve researched and there’s a pretty good detailed write up on the forums about it it is the best filter for oil for a duramax you get the added capacity and slightly better filtration then cat at a decent price. I also drape shop rags over my front drive line with a pan below and just take the filter off. All the oil goes in the pan and none of it gets on the drive line or anywhere else. Good video tho!
Hey thanks for all that info man i appreciate it! I will have to check that other filter out too that sounds like it would be nice for some people. Thanks for watching!
Jordan Campbell for sure! Yea to each is their own cat makes a great filter. The fuel filter is what gets me it may be cheaper but I enjoy peace of mind having a Donaldson or even oem with water/air sep. Or the fuel filter delete lol whyyy if you have a lift pump why not run a filter in stock location too!? I change lift pump filter often and drain my separator often and in return I only replace my stock fuel filter and lift pump water/air sep filter once a year. Again to each is their own lol. Have a good one!
@@rodleypumpkins4174 I agree with the oem filter haha i dont know why people remove them unless you are doing compound turbos. Cant go wrong with more filtration haha. Thanks man you too!
I installed a amsoil bypass oil system , easy to change out filters vs factory location, but that conversion you have is bad ass. I’d likely have just used that in retrospect had I known about it.
That's why it was designed with 2 locating studs! So you don't mess up your RTV bead. Knowledge is power! Obviously the stock pan was designed to work in multiple applications. FYI it's pronounced mall. Any offroading will tear those filters right off. Bigger isn't always better.
Jordan still no leaks on the gasket only setup? I am getting ready to do mine and would like to avoid the rtv if your still going strong with no leaks.
Wouldn't the lower section create a bit of catch if something falls in there like a broken dip stick. Pour an extra 1/2 litre of oil in with the drain plug still off to clean out most of the old oil.
So you dont agree that leaving half a quart of dirty oil and having a literal trap for anything heavy to sit in the bottom of your oil pan is a bad thing? Thats great you have 360k on yours with no issues but that doesn’t mean its not a terrible design
@@jordancampbell3723 When you say heavy things i’m guessing you mean metal? Really there shouldn’t be anything heavy in an engine that can settle. If there is you would have bigger issues. Probably not the best design but really a quart isn’t that bad. There is probably that much oil getting trapped in the engine that wont drain back to the oil pan.
Hey Jordan, You make great videos and I love your truck! Did you still torque the new oil pan bolts to 89 in/lbs or modify that for the paper gasket? Did you use any loctite? Any re-torque needed later? I know it's been a while but I hope you still remember. At your young age I'm hoping your memory is still better than mine! Lol. Keep making the videos, Thanks!
Hey Jack, 89 in lbs sounds right but the ppe instructions told me what to torque to. I didnt use any loctite or do a retorque. Everything has been good so far no leaks or anything at all
@@jordancampbell3723 Thanks for the quick reply! I'm in the middle of replacing mine now and I damn sure don't want to do it again. Thinking of using Permatex copper spray-a-gasket on one side of the Mahle gasket. Hope it works but it sure will be easy to remove if I ever do have a leak. Best regards, Jack
Recently found your channel..videos very well done. Will definitely give a sub 👍🏼 truck looks good man, keep it up! Im surprised you don’t have more subs already.
Thanks Devin I really appreciate that! I definitely dont make near as many videos as i should so that doesnt help but hopefully over winter here again i will get a bunch more in!
I definitely see your point but it also sucks that the oil in that valley never drains out so if there are metal shavings there they will be stuck there when you drain the oil.
My 06 came from the factory with what GM calls tangier orange. It's identical to bengal orange which is what I have on my piping under the hood. (plus the coolant overflow tank which you should look into. ;) But those pans and that drive line are sweet! Just wasted 10 min online looking for an orange ppe pan and came back to read the comments. lol Sweet looking truck man. Be even sweeter if it was a long bed.
I like the PPE pans but no way would I put the Cat oil filter on my truck, it’s missing the bypass valve which means you run the risk of restricting oil flow when needed most. Go with the PPE extra deep oil and transmission filters. They both have the bypass valve but give you the extra filtration and increases flow so not only do you reduce the probably of using the bypass but it’s still there if you reach certain pressures.
Ive ran the cat filter for about 3 years now and never had or seen any of the issues ppe claims. I had this truck at school in the middle of winter where itd get down to single digits with wind chill. When you started it in the cold the oil pressure was always about the same with the oem filter. You gotta remember the amount of media in the cat and its overall size it can flow and doesn’t need the bypass. Also I believe on the duramax the bypass is built into the filter head as well. The filter one is just an extra safety. Im not a fan of the way ppe has marketed their filter at all. Looks like a great product but i will never use it. Cat has been making filter a hell of a lot longer than ppe.
Jordan Campbell there isn’t a bypass valve in the lid it’s a flow back gasket. Have you run an oil analysis on your truck to verify it’s running good. Cat does do one hell of a good job marketing their product but their engines on excavator and our duramax have different requirements. The only difference I see between cat and ppe is the bypass filter and why risk restricting oil flow? You rock their pans yet don’t trust them? Not trying to attack you, your truck looks great, love what you’ve done with it and the video you’ve done adding the oil pan is very helpful. Keep on rocking.
Gale banks did a video on the oil filter heads and oil cooler. He said for the 2020s they ditched the bypass valve in the head itself and said thats how the old ones were. I do love ppe products dont get me wrong. I think the filter they came out with is nice it has some perks like the magnet in the bottom. But like i said ive been running it for so long through all weather conditions and never had an issue. Weve done oil analysis as well and even before that this filter does such a noticeable difference in keeping the oil cleaner its worth it to me. I also view it as the filter was designed for a much larger oil capacity and flow so putting it on a smaller engine its not ever gonna get worked that hard. Thats just where i come from but i see your side as well. But to me i just dont really care about the bypass and the bypass can also be a failure point and remain open when its not supposed to.
Jordan Campbell hey I was wondering with your PPE oil pan if you noticed a difference is oil quality immediately? For example, after I do my oil change and I drive around the block then check for oil level the oil is already dark. I am wondering if this is from the extra oil left in the pan of stock duramax or if that’s just how the diesel runs.
Id say it helps yeah but I noticed the biggest difference when i did the oil filter which was way before the pan. It keeps a lot of the soot out of the oil even after a couple thousand miles
What tuner is that on ur dash there? I just bought a 2013 Chevy Silverado 2500HD 6.6L LML Duramax with 144,000 miles on it. I bought the Super Chips dash mount tuner. I also bought the 100gpm Air Dog lift pump that I'll install this spring. It's way to cold here in Minnesota now to install that lift pump. I'm also using Lucas fuel treatment in my fuel.
@@jordancampbell3723 The rtv is used ideally very very lightly with a gasket to just help seal and fill any low spots in gasket or mating surfaces. Many smear so much on it's oozing out both sides, that's waaay too much unless your surfaces are bad. Just a skim coat. There is a silicone solvent available for removing, I haven't tried yet. But I have tried a can of gasket remover which works awesome on them old hard gaskets.
@@mrmotofy Yeah i hear thats how a lot of people use it. Thats probably my biggest complaint with it is when it comes time to get it off it always turns into a major chore and mess. I will have to look into that remover that would be awesome.
@@jordancampbell3723 do you have rubbing issues when fully cranked? I’m in the market for some wheels. Just trying to avoid any cutting. I’ll trim the bumper if I have to just worries about the body
With the keys turned up it would be minor on the body side but i did the norcal mod on the rockers so it clears okay now. Just had to nip the corner of the fender flare.
Yessir i have. I think it was a good idea what they did but I still stand by the CAT product. They are one of the best in the filter business. I think the Allison one was a good idea because there is nothing for the Allison yet.
@@jordancampbell3723 CAT doesn't have a drain back valve. That's a big no no. The PPE filter is full synthetic fiber and filters down to 5 micron with better flow from larger ports. It has the drain back valve and a built in internal magnet to help capture even more metal particles.
@@saltysteel3996 i agree with the magnet that was a great idea on PPE's part. At the end of the day PPE mimicked the CAT almost exactly and added the valve so they can market it to people like you who believe that it really makes that much of a difference. CAT is known for their quality of parts, especially filters. They have a designated company that only makes CAT filters. I trust them more than PPE and they have been making filters for decades and decades. Dont get me wrong i love PPE as a company and their products but they sure are taking an interesting approach to market their filter.
That truck would look AWSOME with a solid axle swap...I'm glad i did mines and love it....but i have the same pan and the fucker leaks on the passenger side rear corner no matter what i do it still leaks
Just curious where you reside? What state are you located? As for myself here in Central California near Modesto. Thanks for this video. I think the factory oil pan might play a part in these Duramax motors having problems with low oil pressure at different instances. I say this because I lost a crank bearing a few days ago on a 6.6 LB7 Duramax Engine. The engine itself only had 85000.00 clocked miles. This should have never happened... when able to rebuild my Duramax you can better believe I will install a aftermarket high volume oil pump. Without failure...
Im in Pennsylvania near Pittsburgh. Thats crazy man and not a fun situation. I definitely think the oil pan restricts pickup to an extent but i know these trucks really dont do great with oil pressure to begin with. Especially at low rpms. I definitely agree with ya on the high volume oil pump
@@jordancampbell3723 Thanks Jordan for your replying back. As I do understand what it's like to be busy & have to do your best to reply to all the different messages you potentially receive at any given time. Thanks again. Take care n God bless you & yours
Hey Lance, that filter kit is from MDDP ill see if i can put the link in the comment here! It is a super easy install and definitely worth it. mddperformance.com/products/cat-oil-filter-adapter-kit
@@jordancampbell3723 lol oil ain’t cheap no more. It used be, but I get what you’re saying, I do mine every 4k with Shaeffer’s oil 1 gallon of it is like $70. Really good oil
Hey, I just found your channel...nice truck. Inwas thinking about doing this same upgrade on my 16 LML, trans pan/filter also. I've been running the CAT fuel filter since the beginning, no issues. But I am installing a FASS system very, very soon, might have to go with CAT filters for that as well. But question, how did you paint your drive shaft? I really like that. Thanks
Hey man, thanks i appreciate it. All those upgrades are for sure worth it! With the driveshaft i pressed all the u joints out and had it powdercoated since i needed new u joints. If you dont wanna change u joints you can leave them in and have it painted instead we do that all the time too if the vehicle has low miles.
U put the rtv on both sides of the gasket. Just lightly smear it with ur finger and clean up the edges and do the same on engine side and clean it up so the gasket is held on the pan with some rtv so it doesn't move, and the gasket surface that mates to engine doesn't have rtv so shit don't fall on it or accidently smear when going in and once u have it up there the rtv on the engine surface will help to also hold it in place while throwing a couple of bolts into it. That's the cleanest best way I've come to do it when possible for the safest, cleanest, best seal possible. And seriously a light coating is all that is needed no reason to put a layer of it that's thick as fuck. All is gonna do is get in and clog up the pickup
Yeah i agree it definitely helps to keep it in place. A lot of times i just get a few bolts started too and you can line it up easy too. Plenty of ways to do it!
I’m looking at replacing the pan on my LBZ , but can’t decide which one to purchase. I’ve been looking at the PPE and the banana pan. Why did you choose the PPE pan? Love the orange color!
Hey Dale, i pretty much chose the PPE one just because i like the company and the style of the pan. The banana pan is a great option i really think it comes down with which one you like better style and look wise.
Just use a razor or scraper to get the big stuff off. Then a carbide scraper can get it real good then just a little sand paper gently and brake cleaner.
@@jordancampbell3723 Thanks. Was expecting you to say wire or plastic brush, but didn't want to mess up the sealing surface. I'll be tackling this soon and picked up some solvent to help clean it.
So I bought the same engine and transmission oil pans and went to talk to my local powder coater and they didn’t feel that their powder was rated to a high enough temp so my question for you, did your powder coater offer a high temp coating or did you just do a normal powder coating.
@@jordancampbell3723 oh ok, sounds like i will be doing the same. what mod did you do to get the high idol. i have a 16 and it only goes into high idol when its cold outside
@@jordancampbell3723 awesome !! One more thing, we’re the bolts easy to get on without stripping ? Especially since you couldn’t get to all them by hand.
OK, am I wrong or did you just want to show off the sweet underbelly of your ride? 😀😀😀 Luv the idea about punching a hole in the oil filter! Always a messy process for me.😟 Those seconds before oil pressure comes up are always troubling. As we all know, a lot of engine wear happens at startup when metal on metal can happen. Ever considered pulling the FICM fuse and cranking till OP appears? Overkill? Excellent video! 👍👍👍
Hey Steve thank you very much i appreciate it! With the oil pressure thing it really isnt to big of a deal for those 5-10 seconds because the engine still is coated with a light amount of oil on all the surfaces until you get that oil pressure back. If you had a brand new engine you would absolutely want to try and crank it and prefill the oil filter. Thats what i have always went by. Thanks again for watching!
Great video again, do you know if this will fit a l5p they look the same but not sure if it will fit, and the Mddp stuff is awesome I use the cat adapter on my l5p.
Thanks for watching Victor. I think as far as I know the oil pans are different. I could not find anything for the L5P! Thanks for the MDDP support as well! We appreciate it
@@Yaboifootchie i still dont understand how we are comparing a diff cover to an oil pan. there is not near the amount of movement in a oil pan compared to what a diff cover would see going down the highway. regardless, then show me a better oil pan because they all look similar to what i used.
I saw avid on iTunes about Ppg vs cat filters. We apparently heavy equipment have a building oil check valve, the dramas doesn’t t have it, so u must use oil filters with check valves. Thoughts?
Those humps in the stock oil pan is there so your oil pick up won't suck up air during hard turns and hard accelerations. Also if you change out your oil frequently you don't have to worry about getting out every last drop.
that makes sense for sure and i do change very frequently but i like the idea of the new pan and now my fill up is a perfect 3 gallons which is nice.
I have 1.3 million miles on my Duramax LB7 and still have the OEM stock oil pan.
I use Rotella T6 5W-40 at 10k intervals.
@ericevans9104 at what point did you switch to t6 and why? I still use t4 bcuz I can't find t3 usually
@@specialksplaytime2385 I switched to Rotella T6 5w-40 around 270,000. I had been using Pennzoil 15w-40 conventional before the switch.
WOW thanks for this information and this flaw gm oil pan design explains why my oil is dirty even after I change it,thanks for the advice and information
It’s been three years. How has the gasket held up? You’re the only one I’ve seen use a gasket instead of RTV. Does Mahle give a life span of the gasket? I like the idea of it. My stock pan is starting to leak at seal a little. Time to upgrade
I like what you have done with your truck. I would suggest building a custom bracket and mounting the fuel filter and water separator higher up in the fender with the bracket mounted to the frame but angled up to place the mount as high as possible for better protection if and when you go off-road. I've torn off long fuel filters that were mounted too low and it's a costly mess to fix. You could have easily taken the bell housing bolt and cut it off a1/4 of an inch and not have modded the new oil pan.
I appreciate it man. I believe that with the filters for sure but i dont really ever go off-road haha. A simple solution for me would be to just run the smaller cat filters too
I would use the same sealant GM used or The Right Stuff rtv. I use that stuff on diff covers or oil pans, especially nodular iron and cast aluminum covers/pans. Creates an excellent seal and bond. RTV isn't that messy or bad to work with....
This gasket i used has held up good so far. No leaks at all. Gasekts and RTV is i guess more of a personal preference i just only use RTV if i dont have another option.
@@jordancampbell8518 it's all good, I've used a lot of both over the years. I noticed Honda over the years has used Honda Bond to seal many machined surfaces and now GM has done the same with similar sealants ( hence the oil pan on your Dmax ). I used the Right Stuff on my Nodular Diff covers on my Jeep for a positive seal and because I do water crossings. I just feel a gasket in some cases can be a headache down the road and almost allow parts to shift or movement between two parts.
@@2015_Rubicnn yeah i know what you mean. Honda does use that stuff for a lot of things and it works well. The gaskets have their weaknesses for sure but as much as we tear stuff apart it saves some hassle haha. I will have to keep some of that in mind though it makes sense.
@@jordancampbell8518 on a side note, I plan to install a PPE oil pan on my 2005 LLY Dmax too!👍
@@2015_Rubicnn good stuff man it definitely is a nice piece!
I just put a bypass centrifuge on my 2015. I also run the PPE filters and am considering the PPE pan as well. No doubt about the quality of PPE filters. I'm at 6000 miles on my oil and still not black like an OEM at 2000 miles.
No Fumoto valve on the oil pan? One of the first things I order!
The new oil pan should have a bigger oil drain plug. To get a little closer to the bottom of pan.
For the little time it would take to drill & tap, I’m thinking it would be worth it. But that’s just me
Why does everybody skip over the sensor. It doesn’t just fall out! how is it removed and installed?
This is a nice truck man. Looks really good.
Thank you Jacob, I appreciate it!
Cool man..thanks for keeping it clean!
I like cat I’m a heavy equipment operator by trade and prefer cat over other brands but I’ve never been on the cat filter train like everyone else. We replace cat filters with donaldsons. I worked for years on a portable rock crusher I’m sure you can imagine all the rock dust in the air and we used chevron oil products and Donaldson filters. I have a LMM and that’s all I use. Donaldson has a sweet blue oil filter I use DBL7483 and from what I’ve researched and there’s a pretty good detailed write up on the forums about it it is the best filter for oil for a duramax you get the added capacity and slightly better filtration then cat at a decent price. I also drape shop rags over my front drive line with a pan below and just take the filter off. All the oil goes in the pan and none of it gets on the drive line or anywhere else. Good video tho!
Hey thanks for all that info man i appreciate it! I will have to check that other filter out too that sounds like it would be nice for some people. Thanks for watching!
Jordan Campbell for sure! Yea to each is their own cat makes a great filter. The fuel filter is what gets me it may be cheaper but I enjoy peace of mind having a Donaldson or even oem with water/air sep. Or the fuel filter delete lol whyyy if you have a lift pump why not run a filter in stock location too!? I change lift pump filter often and drain my separator often and in return I only replace my stock fuel filter and lift pump water/air sep filter once a year. Again to each is their own lol. Have a good one!
@@rodleypumpkins4174 I agree with the oem filter haha i dont know why people remove them unless you are doing compound turbos. Cant go wrong with more filtration haha. Thanks man you too!
I'm pretty sure if you're running cat it's supposed to be mounted vertically or it could potentially be flowing dirty oil back without a bypass
For oil filters
I installed a amsoil bypass oil system
, easy to change out filters vs factory location, but that conversion you have is bad ass. I’d likely have just used that in retrospect had I known about it.
The amsoil ones are really nice for sure. The cat is similar in filtering capabilities just more simple. Both great products
That's why it was designed with 2 locating studs! So you don't mess up your RTV bead. Knowledge is power! Obviously the stock pan was designed to work in multiple applications. FYI it's pronounced mall. Any offroading will tear those filters right off. Bigger isn't always better.
Did you see the tires on that truck, that thing isn’t going anywhere off-road lol. Just an expensive pavement queen.
You should switch to the PPE filter
Jordan still no leaks on the gasket only setup? I am getting ready to do mine and would like to avoid the rtv if your still going strong with no leaks.
Yessir no leaks what so ever! Id say youll be fine just make sure the pan sealing surfaces are super clean
Wouldn't the lower section create a bit of catch if something falls in there like a broken dip stick. Pour an extra 1/2 litre of oil in with the drain plug still off to clean out most of the old oil.
It may help but thats kind of a pain too ya know
It helps hold it on
Great looking job, and well explained. Thank you. Jim
Thanks Jim i appreciate it!
If its such a terrible design, why do I have 360,000 miles on mine with the stock oil pan?
So you dont agree that leaving half a quart of dirty oil and having a literal trap for anything heavy to sit in the bottom of your oil pan is a bad thing? Thats great you have 360k on yours with no issues but that doesn’t mean its not a terrible design
@@jordancampbell3723 When you say heavy things i’m guessing you mean metal? Really there shouldn’t be anything heavy in an engine that can settle. If there is you would have bigger issues. Probably not the best design but really a quart isn’t that bad. There is probably that much oil getting trapped in the engine that wont drain back to the oil pan.
Hey Jordan, You make great videos and I love your truck! Did you still torque the new oil pan bolts to 89 in/lbs or modify that for the paper gasket? Did you use any loctite? Any re-torque needed later? I know it's been a while but I hope you still remember. At your young age I'm hoping your memory is still better than mine! Lol. Keep making the videos, Thanks!
Hey Jack, 89 in lbs sounds right but the ppe instructions told me what to torque to. I didnt use any loctite or do a retorque. Everything has been good so far no leaks or anything at all
@@jordancampbell3723 Thanks for the quick reply! I'm in the middle of replacing mine now and I damn sure don't want to do it again. Thinking of using Permatex copper spray-a-gasket on one side of the Mahle gasket. Hope it works but it sure will be easy to remove if I ever do have a leak. Best regards, Jack
No problem that should definitely work. I dont think youll have any issues👍🏼
Just a stupid question what takes longer to cool one quarter of oil or two quarters I don’t think it’s worth it
Recently found your channel..videos very well done. Will definitely give a sub 👍🏼 truck looks good man, keep it up! Im surprised you don’t have more subs already.
Thanks Devin I really appreciate that! I definitely dont make near as many videos as i should so that doesnt help but hopefully over winter here again i will get a bunch more in!
I would say any unwanted ? in that valley would be less likely picked up..as opposed to that flat bottom..imho
I definitely see your point but it also sucks that the oil in that valley never drains out so if there are metal shavings there they will be stuck there when you drain the oil.
@@jordancampbell3723 no doubt..you would think a drain hole in the valley would be ideal..
@@weschapman2237 yeah absolutely!
My 06 came from the factory with what GM calls tangier orange. It's identical to bengal orange which is what I have on my piping under the hood. (plus the coolant overflow tank which you should look into. ;) But those pans and that drive line are sweet! Just wasted 10 min online looking for an orange ppe pan and came back to read the comments. lol Sweet looking truck man. Be even sweeter if it was a long bed.
Thats pretty cool with the color i didnt know that! Thats funny about the pan😂 but thanks for watching man. I really appreciate👍🏼
I like the PPE pans but no way would I put the Cat oil filter on my truck, it’s missing the bypass valve which means you run the risk of restricting oil flow when needed most. Go with the PPE extra deep oil and transmission filters. They both have the bypass valve but give you the extra filtration and increases flow so not only do you reduce the probably of using the bypass but it’s still there if you reach certain pressures.
Ive ran the cat filter for about 3 years now and never had or seen any of the issues ppe claims. I had this truck at school in the middle of winter where itd get down to single digits with wind chill. When you started it in the cold the oil pressure was always about the same with the oem filter. You gotta remember the amount of media in the cat and its overall size it can flow and doesn’t need the bypass. Also I believe on the duramax the bypass is built into the filter head as well. The filter one is just an extra safety. Im not a fan of the way ppe has marketed their filter at all. Looks like a great product but i will never use it. Cat has been making filter a hell of a lot longer than ppe.
Jordan Campbell there isn’t a bypass valve in the lid it’s a flow back gasket. Have you run an oil analysis on your truck to verify it’s running good. Cat does do one hell of a good job marketing their product but their engines on excavator and our duramax have different requirements. The only difference I see between cat and ppe is the bypass filter and why risk restricting oil flow? You rock their pans yet don’t trust them?
Not trying to attack you, your truck looks great, love what you’ve done with it and the video you’ve done adding the oil pan is very helpful. Keep on rocking.
Gale banks did a video on the oil filter heads and oil cooler. He said for the 2020s they ditched the bypass valve in the head itself and said thats how the old ones were. I do love ppe products dont get me wrong. I think the filter they came out with is nice it has some perks like the magnet in the bottom. But like i said ive been running it for so long through all weather conditions and never had an issue. Weve done oil analysis as well and even before that this filter does such a noticeable difference in keeping the oil cleaner its worth it to me. I also view it as the filter was designed for a much larger oil capacity and flow so putting it on a smaller engine its not ever gonna get worked that hard. Thats just where i come from but i see your side as well. But to me i just dont really care about the bypass and the bypass can also be a failure point and remain open when its not supposed to.
Jordan Campbell hey I was wondering with your PPE oil pan if you noticed a difference is oil quality immediately? For example, after I do my oil change and I drive around the block then check for oil level the oil is already dark. I am wondering if this is from the extra oil left in the pan of stock duramax or if that’s just how the diesel runs.
Id say it helps yeah but I noticed the biggest difference when i did the oil filter which was way before the pan. It keeps a lot of the soot out of the oil even after a couple thousand miles
What tuner is that on ur dash there?
I just bought a 2013 Chevy Silverado 2500HD 6.6L LML Duramax with 144,000 miles on it. I bought the Super Chips dash mount tuner. I also bought the 100gpm Air Dog lift pump that I'll install this spring. It's way to cold here in Minnesota now to install that lift pump. I'm also using Lucas fuel treatment in my fuel.
That is just an edge cts3 monitor!
Nice done, easily explained.. I am soon ready for all the mayor Duramax updates, when the Lb7 and Allison is going in my truck;)
Thanks man i appreciate it. That will be a fun project!
Do you ever get much water when draining water seperator
normally just a little bit comes out even over like 5-10k miles. If you get some bad fuel though thats where the drain is really nice.
Hey check for leaks around the corners of your pan after awhile mine leaks on one corner rather I use a gasket or gasket and gm rtv sealant
Will do man. So far its been okay but ive been keeping an eye on it.
@@jordancampbell3723 The rtv is used ideally very very lightly with a gasket to just help seal and fill any low spots in gasket or mating surfaces. Many smear so much on it's oozing out both sides, that's waaay too much unless your surfaces are bad. Just a skim coat. There is a silicone solvent available for removing, I haven't tried yet. But I have tried a can of gasket remover which works awesome on them old hard gaskets.
@@mrmotofy Yeah i hear thats how a lot of people use it. Thats probably my biggest complaint with it is when it comes time to get it off it always turns into a major chore and mess. I will have to look into that remover that would be awesome.
How’s the gasket holding up without any rtv?
also did you reuse the bolts? i was trying to find a stainless bolt kit but cant seem to find one
Hey Nick, the gasket is working perfect an it sealed really nice. This pan did come with all new allen key bolts. Thanks for watching
Jordan Campbell also what is the torque spec on the bolt you took out of the bell housing on the trans?
@@nickyos4751 i think that specific one would be 37 foot pounds!
@@jordancampbell3723 thanks!
Truck is clean brother. What wheel and tire setup do you have? Drop shackles in the rear?
Thanks man! Wheels are 22x12 -51 tires are 305/40/r22. I do have 2” drop shackles in the rear!
@@jordancampbell3723 do you have rubbing issues when fully cranked? I’m in the market for some wheels. Just trying to avoid any cutting. I’ll trim the bumper if I have to just worries about the body
With the keys turned up it would be minor on the body side but i did the norcal mod on the rockers so it clears okay now. Just had to nip the corner of the fender flare.
@@jordancampbell3723 okay I’m cool with that. Thanks brother 🤜🤛
What do you think about the. Banana pan
They seem to have a pretty good reputation! I just used PPE because I like their design and like to support their company!
Great Video !!! Have you heard about the two New PPE Oil filters ? For the Engine and Transmission
Many are saying though it's just a rebranded Cat filter, only way of knowing is cutting them open side by side though.
Yessir i have. I think it was a good idea what they did but I still stand by the CAT product. They are one of the best in the filter business. I think the Allison one was a good idea because there is nothing for the Allison yet.
@@bryanmartinez6600 Agreed they definitely went after CAT they even copied the spiral winding.
@@jordancampbell3723 CAT doesn't have a drain back valve. That's a big no no. The PPE filter is full synthetic fiber and filters down to 5 micron with better flow from larger ports. It has the drain back valve and a built in internal magnet to help capture even more metal particles.
@@saltysteel3996 i agree with the magnet that was a great idea on PPE's part. At the end of the day PPE mimicked the CAT almost exactly and added the valve so they can market it to people like you who believe that it really makes that much of a difference. CAT is known for their quality of parts, especially filters. They have a designated company that only makes CAT filters. I trust them more than PPE and they have been making filters for decades and decades. Dont get me wrong i love PPE as a company and their products but they sure are taking an interesting approach to market their filter.
That truck would look AWSOME with a solid axle swap...I'm glad i did mines and love it....but i have the same pan and the fucker leaks on the passenger side rear corner no matter what i do it still leaks
Damn thats no fun. Ive never had the thought of doing the front axle swap! Would be cool for sure
Where did you get that dash case for your edge cts2?
I think it ordered that from xdp!
@@jordancampbell3723 I'll check it out thanks.
Just curious where you reside? What state are you located? As for myself here in Central California near Modesto. Thanks for this video. I think the factory oil pan might play a part in these Duramax motors having problems with low oil pressure at different instances. I say this because I lost a crank bearing a few days ago on a 6.6 LB7 Duramax Engine. The engine itself only had 85000.00 clocked miles. This should have never happened... when able to rebuild my Duramax you can better believe I will install a aftermarket high volume oil pump. Without failure...
Im in Pennsylvania near Pittsburgh. Thats crazy man and not a fun situation. I definitely think the oil pan restricts pickup to an extent but i know these trucks really dont do great with oil pressure to begin with. Especially at low rpms. I definitely agree with ya on the high volume oil pump
@@jordancampbell3723 Thanks Jordan for your replying back. As I do understand what it's like to be busy & have to do your best to reply to all the different messages you potentially receive at any given time. Thanks again. Take care n God bless you & yours
No problem at all man. I hope the rebuild goes well for you! Thanks for watchin and take care👍🏼
What cooler are you using for your transmission
it is a Derale cooler. PN: 15875
Did you paint the pan yourself? Also how did you paint your frame?
I had the paint powdercoated and the frame i used chasis saver!
Tell me about the larger oil filter. Did you have to buy an adapter? What's the part #s plz. I wanna do this oil pan and filter set up to my LLY
Hey Lance, that filter kit is from MDDP ill see if i can put the link in the comment here! It is a super easy install and definitely worth it.
mddperformance.com/products/cat-oil-filter-adapter-kit
I just park my truck slightly up hill when draining the oil gets the rest of it out
Not a bad way to do it
How often do you change your oil? On my lbz I do mine every 4,000 miles. Do you think I’m doing it way too often? Truck doesn’t get driven easy
I do mine every 5k even with high end synthetic. I always say oil is cheap compared to a new engine ya know!
@@jordancampbell3723 lol oil ain’t cheap no more. It used be, but I get what you’re saying, I do mine every 4k with Shaeffer’s oil 1 gallon of it is like $70. Really good oil
Would you recommend the PPE transmission pan?
Yeah absolutely! I have one on my truck and im happy with it!
@@jordancampbell3723 Thank you for your quick reply.
@@ashleymartin4298 No problem
The deeper trans pan is a myth. Allison is elite trans builder, but you do need to upgrade the trans cooler thats not allison. Ppe has a good one!
Hey, I just found your channel...nice truck. Inwas thinking about doing this same upgrade on my 16 LML, trans pan/filter also. I've been running the CAT fuel filter since the beginning, no issues. But I am installing a FASS system very, very soon, might have to go with CAT filters for that as well. But question, how did you paint your drive shaft? I really like that. Thanks
Hey man, thanks i appreciate it. All those upgrades are for sure worth it! With the driveshaft i pressed all the u joints out and had it powdercoated since i needed new u joints. If you dont wanna change u joints you can leave them in and have it painted instead we do that all the time too if the vehicle has low miles.
U put the rtv on both sides of the gasket. Just lightly smear it with ur finger and clean up the edges and do the same on engine side and clean it up so the gasket is held on the pan with some rtv so it doesn't move, and the gasket surface that mates to engine doesn't have rtv so shit don't fall on it or accidently smear when going in and once u have it up there the rtv on the engine surface will help to also hold it in place while throwing a couple of bolts into it. That's the cleanest best way I've come to do it when possible for the safest, cleanest, best seal possible. And seriously a light coating is all that is needed no reason to put a layer of it that's thick as fuck. All is gonna do is get in and clog up the pickup
Yeah i agree it definitely helps to keep it in place. A lot of times i just get a few bolts started too and you can line it up easy too. Plenty of ways to do it!
How much oil did the OEM pan still have in it after the normal drain?
Enough to almost fill a red solo cup
Watch banana pan installation video for another opinion on how to deal with bellhousing bolt clearance issue.
I will have to check that out Bennie! thanks
I’m looking at replacing the pan on my LBZ , but can’t decide which one to purchase. I’ve been looking at the PPE and the banana pan.
Why did you choose the PPE pan? Love the orange color!
Hey Dale, i pretty much chose the PPE one just because i like the company and the style of the pan. The banana pan is a great option i really think it comes down with which one you like better style and look wise.
How did you prep the surface on the bottom of the engine for new pan install?
Just use a razor or scraper to get the big stuff off. Then a carbide scraper can get it real good then just a little sand paper gently and brake cleaner.
@@jordancampbell3723 Thanks. Was expecting you to say wire or plastic brush, but didn't want to mess up the sealing surface. I'll be tackling this soon and picked up some solvent to help clean it.
@@outdoorlife2336 a wire brush does help but from time to time light sandpaper is needed to get some of the crap off
@@jordancampbell3723 Thanks. I also plan on doing the lml master cylinder, do you mind letting me know what all you ordered to help dress things up?
So I bought the same engine and transmission oil pans and went to talk to my local powder coater and they didn’t feel that their powder was rated to a high enough temp so my question for you, did your powder coater offer a high temp coating or did you just do a normal powder coating.
Or have you had issues with your coating coming off ??
Ive had no issues with mine at all so far and its just normal powder! I think you would be fine!
Cool thanks
did you have the pan coated or did ppe do it for you?
I bought the pan raw from PPE and had it powder coated by my local guy.
@@jordancampbell3723 oh ok, sounds like i will be doing the same. what mod did you do to get the high idol. i have a 16 and it only goes into high idol when its cold outside
@@pimpinchevy75 I did a BD high idle switch. It was a nice little kit. Super detailed instructions and pretty simple to install.
Can u post both water separate/fuel filter numbers on cat filter here please
1R-0749 and 256-8753
@@jordancampbell3723 thanks
After 2 years how has the gasket help up ? Thanks.
No issues so far at all!
@@jordancampbell3723 awesome !! One more thing, we’re the bolts easy to get on without stripping ? Especially since you couldn’t get to all them by hand.
@@bradjohnson6783 I dont remember having much trouble getting them all started and what not. Definitely follow your torque specs though.
Where did you get your PPE products painted orange? I'd like to order them in blue or buy them and have them painted blue.
Hey Scott, i just had my local powder coat guy do it! So I ordered the pan raw!
@@jordancampbell3723 cool thanks
OK, am I wrong or did you just want to show off the sweet underbelly of your ride? 😀😀😀
Luv the idea about punching a hole in the oil filter! Always a messy process for me.😟
Those seconds before oil pressure comes up are always troubling. As we all know, a lot of engine wear happens at startup when metal on metal can happen. Ever considered pulling the FICM fuse and cranking till OP appears? Overkill?
Excellent video! 👍👍👍
Hey Steve thank you very much i appreciate it! With the oil pressure thing it really isnt to big of a deal for those 5-10 seconds because the engine still is coated with a light amount of oil on all the surfaces until you get that oil pressure back. If you had a brand new engine you would absolutely want to try and crank it and prefill the oil filter. Thats what i have always went by. Thanks again for watching!
Great video again, do you know if this will fit a l5p they look the same but not sure if it will fit, and the Mddp stuff is awesome I use the cat adapter on my l5p.
Thanks for watching Victor. I think as far as I know the oil pans are different. I could not find anything for the L5P! Thanks for the MDDP support as well! We appreciate it
The L5P is a completely different engine and they haven’t had many problems outside of the emissions system.
YOu should watch the differential cover design discussions that Banks does on his channel. You might think differently about your pan ”upgrade” logic.
this is an oil pan not a diff cover.
Jordan Campbell the same principles apply, in terms of fluid capacities, their movement/stagnation, and thermal exoansion
@@Yaboifootchie i still dont understand how we are comparing a diff cover to an oil pan. there is not near the amount of movement in a oil pan compared to what a diff cover would see going down the highway. regardless, then show me a better oil pan because they all look similar to what i used.
@ robert wright Thers no gears in an engine oil pan, what are you talking about??
what camera did you use?
I was using a go pro hero 7
Their millions on the road with stock pans with no problems some of the bolt on stuff is a Waste of Money
What traction bars do you have
Hey Matt, those are Cal Tracs
use an oil extractor
What type orange is the one you got?
The color is called bengal orange!
@@jordancampbell3723 thank you Nice truck very clean I like it
Thanks man I appreciate it!
You have no idea, you think you know more than a diesel engineer it’s designed that way to prevent cavitation
Is the gasket still holding up good?
Yessir! i havent had any issues with it at all!
@@jordancampbell3723 do you have a part number
@@rickiequillin1304 114052000
It’s pronounced Molly
waste of money.
Thanks for watching👍🏼
I saw avid on iTunes about Ppg vs cat filters. We apparently heavy equipment have a building oil check valve, the dramas doesn’t t have it, so u must use oil filters with check valves. Thoughts?
Pronounced..Molly