StuG was the most numerous "tank" in Finnish service during Continuation War. Only T-26 got anywhere close. The total amount of T-34s, KVs, Pz IVs and BT-42s was still beneath StuGs and they remained as the main force all the way to 1960s. Suggestion to add it is still open on the WT forum.
@@Rempai420 The issue is the combination of speed, maneuverability and hull armor, all coming from the Leopard 2 chassis (turret being lighter than the Leopard 2 turret gives it even more hp/t than the OG Leopard 2)
Finnish decisionmakers in the cold war period definitely didn't consider "engaging western armour of behalf of the socialist bloc". It was totally obvious that beneath the level of official foreign policy talk to uphold relations to the east the finnish army was 100% geared to fighting the soviet union, not the west. If the soviet union would have demanded it, the finns would have fought them, not the west.
But at the same time, the Finnish military had to be able to face a western invasion. If the USSR thought Finland could be invaded by the west, there was a serious risk that the USSR might attack. From the perspetive of the USSR, Finland would be an easy route for NATO to the USSR's second biggest city and critical naval infrastructure. As such, the ability to defend against the west was certainly part of official doctrine even if it wasn't the biggest threat seen from a Finnish perspective
The wording there is a bit liberal, but in practice Finland had an agreement with the Soviet Union to defend itself against any Western invader and request support from the Soviets in case of a threat that the FDF could not handle by itself. Of course, such a scenario would have been exceedingly unlikely to actually happen, but at least in a political sense the Finnish tanks were meant to deter and if necessary also engage Western armour.
@@mcpuff2318I don’t think any concrete plans were made and exercised against a western invasion. Had that happened, the Soviets would have crossed the border at which point Finland would have just joined NATO block to repel the invasion from the east. Everyone and their dog knew who the enemy was. The military would have revolted if asked to join the Soviets.
it was logical for them to buy weapons from the USSR as they could only be invaded from the South-East by the Soviets, to the west is friendly and neutral Sweden, so capture weapons could be use eassily.
Finnish army hated captured BT-5/-7's and disbanded the Christie tank platoon after few months as the armor was too thin and they tended to get stuck in forested terrain. Most BT's ended up as bunkers and Bt-42 was just a test to get something out of obsolete British field guns. Most numerous tank during the war were captured T-26's and until more modern tanks arrived they even converted dozens of captured OT-130/-133 flame tanks into unique T-26's with hull mg's. Gaijin also forgets that ALL Finnish T-28's were uparmoured into T-28E standard in 1941.
Correction:The 114 mm Field howitzer was either british or american origin(Originally a british design of ww1),which was used in Bt-42. It was designed as a fast assault tank. Small number of Bt tanks were converted to tractors similar to T-26´s.All flamethrower variants of T-26 were captured from the enemy and later in the war were converted to T-26B and T-26B tanks around 1942-43, not the other way around. Not all T-28s were uparmoured to the E standard due to increased wear and tear and many older T-28s served with original armour well into 1942 in their original form with the important change of having central turrets rear Mg removed from is mount, and all sporting the better 76mm L-10 Gun which was used in early T-34. These tanks served in the heavy tank platoons. In addition Fins also operated a single T-50, numerous T-37,38,and 40 tanks after capture as well as 7 captured T-34/76s late war 7 of the 85mm variant were captured. in addition 2 KV-1s uparmored to KV-1B/E standard, and Late war prizes included 2 ISU-152s. All this in addition of the german issued stuff.
Hm. But when gaijin add the kingtiger in the Finnish tech tree you guys start to complain, but when gaijin doesn't copy paste a tank from a different tech tree to another you guys request for it
@@SaharianoDshk131 the king tiger they added is swedish and also copy paste. The commenter is wierded by the fact that gajin for some reason does not add some pretty historically important vehicles to some minor countries line hungary and finland.
@@SaharianoDshk131 When adding so-called "copy paste" vehicles to other tech trees, I like to consider whether or not there is a good reason for it or not. For the King Tiger, there isn't. Finland never used the Tiger II in combat, and Sweden only evaluated one. Adding that to the Swedish/Finnish/Nordic tech tree unnecessarily dilutes the German tech tree and causes completely needless problems with vehicle identification. The StuG III in Finnish service was one of the most important armoured vehicles during the Continuation War, and leaving that on the sidelines just seems like a pretty big oversight. Instead Gaijin added a Panzer IV J, which the Finnish armoured forces did use - but only after the war. If I had to make a choice between the Pz.IV J and the StuG III, I would much rather have the StuG in the Finnish tech tree because it was a much more historically important and relevant vehicle. For the same reason, adding for example a KV-1 to the Finnish tech tree would be perfectly cromulent, while the addition of a T-80U and the Mi-35A as premium vehicles was really rather offensive from my point of view. Just because someone tested something doesn't mean it should be added to the tech tree. The US has tested a lot of Soviet/Russian planes, but there are no arguments that could convince me that adding something like MiG-21 or MiG-29 or Su-27 to the US tech tree would be in any way appropriate or good for the game. But if a nation has actually used something in combat - I think then it's a fair game.
As a Finnish person who completed my military training in the Armoured Brigade heres few small details that are wrong in the game: The T-72M1's dozer blade is all wrong and does not loot like that, all T series tanks were painted with the finnish camoflauge which the T-54 isnt in game and Finland does not mainly use a 105mm cannon in the Patria AMV but rather a twin 120mm Mortar known as the Patria Amos. Finland used a lot of German StuG tanks, so much so that it is kind of insulting to forget it. Last one, we use a modern thermal camera in the Leopard 2A4 and not a shitty one.
There's no sense of urgency in the voice lines, the swedish loader screams LADD like he's about to die and the finnish loader takes like three seconds to say aphe loaded, why does he need to even say "aphe loaded" instead of just "loaded"? Just have one voice line where the loader screams "ladattu" and that would be good
And a lot of them are just copy paste models from other tech trees instead of updated ones to make them look unique. Which in the case of the Charioteer means it is the wrong version of the vehicle. All of the Charioteers Finland ordered are of the Mk.VII B variant with small upgrades over the A model. Most notable visual difference is the bore evacuator, clearly missing on the one in game.
And facing full decommission much earlier than that, with the actual decommission being more of a formality. AFAIK, they were one leg out of the door not long after Finland joined EU.
That was quite an insult. I spent a while thinking whether someone could utter such bs by mistake and ended up with the answer "not likely". They would have forgotten to breathe.
Anybody else bothered that he said that finns didn't abandon the soviet inheritance completely and proceeds to show a swedish made CV90 and says bmp...
@@m1karyewhateveryouwanna there are lots of versions to pick from, 105mm 120mm and several different ifv configurations as well as 2 120mm mortar carriers. It was even tested as a hellfire launch platform once
@@m1karyewhateveryouwanna if memory serves it's the same turret and weapon system as the 120mm chentauro, nobody uses it, but that's never stopped Gaijin before
@@VeetiVOVetssonI mean they already made the model, obviously. So if they already have the model, and they’re displaying it, I’d be shocked if they don’t add it in.
@@johtajakansioit was made in the fifties, so I suppose they used what they got in the movie. In the most recent movie they also used a t34 in the place of a KV-1 (the scene where they use the anti-tank rifle and Hietanen destroys the tank with a mine)
@@tyylikkyyden_orjawell considering the Chinese Type 62 being in the Soviet tree originally was copied into the Chinese tree when it came along, I see no reason why the KV1B shouldn't receive the same treatment
For Finnish vehicles please fix the commander ''fire'' command voice line to the gunner when fire button is pressed just before the round is reloaded, Commander has a random chance of shouting *VIHELTÄÄ* which is completely wrong voice line to use as it translates to ''Whistling'' which makes no sense at all
@@TmsFin This is 100% recreatable in the test range. Fire one shot, then press fire button again just before the cannon is reloaded to trigger the commander ''fire'' voice line! Finnish vehicles have the correct *TULTA* line which is correct, but at times he shouts *VIHELTÄÄ* which is incorrect line to use, there is no artillery active when this voice line comes out
@@Sovereign272 To be honest, I could see the commander use 'Viheltää' for fire command. This would equate to 'let fly' in English, unconventional for sure.
And you still haven't added Finnish StuGs to the Swedish tech tree despite those tanks being the backbone of the Finnish armored forces during the Continuation War... Shouldn't be that hard to copy-paste them from the German tech tree and edit the models a little. After all, that's what you mostly do nowadays anyways when you implement "new vehicles".
Quite convinient that they disregard the StuGs given to & purchased by Finland, when they kinda forgot to add them to the Finnish tech tree... (even though they were the largerst portion from armor in the Finnish Army during the continuation war...)
You are talking about the Finnish KV-1's like there were several them in the Finnish army. The Finns only captured one or two of them. Adding to that, you also said that they liked the BT's ..... they really didn't.
@@teemusuomalainen6620 Oh my vehicle combination not by choice as I was assigned as a MASI driver for field cooks. Spend my days driving food for troops scattered around the training areas and getting resuplyes from barracks lol. LAPJP HKK 2/10 nevö föget
We're known for making some decent arms. We have the Patria Pasi, an incredible APC. We also make a bunch of TRG snipers like the 22 and 42. Our best thing to do with the military, is that we have a strong one, even if we're not known for making lots of amazing guns which is something that the Brits, French and Italians cant say
The Finnish tree is still missing: The Renaults, T-26 (1933 & 1938 variations), BT-5, BT-7, T-50, KV-1 (cast iron turret & KV-1B), StuG III, BMP-1, BMP-2, some BTRs, K9 Moukari (slightly different from the Norwegian Vidar) and the T-55 Marksman. There was also a prototype of a T-54 turned into an artillery tank. There are also a few planes missing like the G.50s and C.R.714
@@terrified057t4 most of the missing vehicles are just a camo short of ready to be implimented. And KV-1B and Hawk H-75 just need to be moved from 1 tech tree to another
The tree is missing a lot of very common tanks. The Stugs(Sturmi), BMP variants and BTR variants. Modernized BMPs are still in use and the Stug was the most numerous WW 2 tank operated by Finland.
We fins didnt need huge factories to make thousands of tanks like the other countries did. We are not invading a country. We are protecting our own so we are glad with the armor we find from the enemy. The sisu is the true stuff. The morale in a war is the highest when you are fighting for your own home and not for someone elses.
In 1943 Finland bought 30 Sturmgeschütz 40 G -assault guns from Germany. The first batch of 10 arrived in Finland on July 6th 1943, the next batch of 8 on August 10th 1943 and the last batch of 12 on September 3rd 1943.
Before the Soviet tank era the Finnish armored forces were a jumble of vehicles anybody would sell to us. For a Soviet tank, the T-72 was quite a competent vehicle, but the passage of time just obsoleted it. Many T-55 turrets and guns were in fact repurposed as coastal artillery pieces, which stayed in service into the 1990's (sure the loader had to be built like a gorilla and the gun recoil travel took a specialized guard to avoid injury).
Most important tank was missing here If u think WW2. Finland Haven stugs and they armor was uprated cement mixed with sawdust. Sawdust Make cement not fragile for hits.
Would be better if we could somehow have finnish tanks on the axis side on simulator mode, feels weird when finnish and soviet tanks are on the same side and then you come up against a german KV-1E with finnish markings. Other then that I hope to see more finnish stuff added to the game like the StuG iii and captured DB-3 or Pe-2 bombers or maybe even an I-16 with skis.
@@macrossdelta1402 i have actully talkt to Smin and he has Said that they have never denied that the finnish KV would go to Sweden, the only thing he did say wouldent happen is that they would completly remove the finnish Kv from the german tree
@historybuilds pls do show me where smin has ever said that the KV would go to sweden, his exact words were that it may, may go to sweden. That's not a confirmation. This is a subject I've talked quite a bit about. If gaijin wanted the kv-1b for sweden we would've gotten it instead of the kungstiger
@@macrossdelta1402 smin never Said when or how he just Said that they wouldent remove it from the german tree and it havent gone passed them to add it to Sweden nothing really more
I'm still waiting for my: BMP-2MD, Sturmi, KV1's, and T-72 FINMOD (literally all copy paste's with small modifications, not too hard since yall are experts at it)
they can do copy and paste but small mods? nah they could never. They can't even copy and paste the finnish camos from the soviet vehicles to the real finn stuff XD
It is always funny to me as a Finn how our most numerous light machine gun of WW2 was DP-27 Degtyarov - all of course looted from Soviet troops. "Eh, we have one design but it is kinda shoddy so lets just fill the gap by using enemy equipment"
I think everyone would agree when we get more variety of Unique Tanks of Scandinavia, players will enjoy Sweden even more than rn Not only NATO Tanks on Steroids in the Swedish Techtree
Ok i see that nobody is said about it. I will. So the finnish captured those Bt-7s and they made the Bt-42 it were not meant to use as an tank destroyer. It was a trench buster. It had that big cannon because it was meant to seriously: destroy trenches. It main ammunition was HE shells so it couldve done good damage to the soviet trenches. Even if it is in the game. It is a trench buster. Thank you for reading.
The StuG III was the unsung hero of the late war finnish armored forces, which around 30 of were purchased and were used in some of the largest battles finland saw during both wars, in 1944 to stop the soviet advance and in 1945 to kick the germans out of lapland. But yeah, yall can just ignore it because its not in the tech tree
There are more issues you need to fix: - rank 7 and 8 it's an absolute mess, too much missles and too dumb teammates; - why do BRs exist when 85% are uptiers? - flying below 60 doesn't work against AIM-120. - Why is a Gripen at 13.0 and 2 MiG-29s with R-60MKs at 12.7? - WW2 vehicles should not fight with jets in full uptiers! I'm getting bombed by F-84s in my Tiger II, really?
I am from Finland and started to grind swedish tech tree after the finnish vechiles came and that is the only reason I have played on sweden bc the finnish tanks and planes are just so perfect (at least the early ones bc I am at 8.0 br and it has been a bit bad trying to grind at that br bc a little lack of finnish tanks in that br...)
Really cool to see that some effort is put to showcase the history behind the vehicles of WT. It's just a shame that it is very surface level and also inaccurate in a lot of ways
That finnish homemade tank... We in sweden use it as an infantry transport. Fun fact, I was on a train that crashed into one of them during a military exercise in 2017.
Didn't see any mention about StuG III? Probably the most influential tank Finns used during the world war 2. Also the Patria AMV is a thing but the CTCV-105 isn't used by any nation, not even Finn's. Only some prototypes were made but no one was interested in buying or using it.
"engaging western armour of behalf of the socialist bloc" that is simply not true. The way Finland declared it's neutrality was a rather blunt (quite finnish way to say things) statement that the Finnish would fight *anyone* who would dare cross our borders with aggression. But I seriously doubt even the dumbest soviet officials were not stupid enough to actually believe any western country would actually attack Finland. I think this concept was even referred to in the so called YYA-treaty (Friendship, Co-operation and Assistance). I believe USSR made similar treaties with other countries, wich were practically fated to become vasal states of the USSR. I understood that these treaties were being practically forced upon these countries... And because of that when Finland came up with the idea to suggest the same on their own initiave, it simply startled the Soviets so that they didn't fully realise every detail of what they actually signed... Not until it was too late. The USSR did try and use such treaties to "offer assistance", or in other words send troops to these countries. But that was made impossible in case of Finland and it's YYA-treaty, as it made it very clear that troops could be sent only if the Finnish goverment formally and officially requested such assistance... Wich they were obviously not dumb enough to do. The Soviets were annoyed after realizing what happened, but there was nothing they could really do, other than simply go to war against Finland... Wich would have been illadvisable, due to the fact that during second world war the west simply could not help Finland even if they wanted to... But after the war that was no longer the case, there was really nothing stopping the western countries from helping Finland. There is even some evidence that while publicly making "neutral" statements and pretending to be all friendly with the Soviets... Finnish and American high level leaders had "an understanding", and the americans did make it clear to the USSR that Finland is not to be touched. And the Soviets knew from experience, that the finnish had the ability to hamper progress... For much longer than it would take for western help to arrive. Unprovoked attack would be a PR disaster for USSR, and would easily justify retaliation by the west. One interesting detail about Finland and the eastern block is the fact that the finnish placed a couple of rather high performance radio and tv broadcast stations along its southern coastline... Due to the placement and power, transmissions were receivable on the other side of the Gulf of Finland. And while it might not seem all that big of a deal, having some transmissions received in parts of Estonia... But on the other hand, in the 1980's the soviet officials confiscated records of western shows, with finnish subtitles all accross the Soviet territory.
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The germans provided finland with StuGs too and the finnish subtree has no StuG in it
Honestly one of, if not the most iconic tank of the Continuation War
StuG was the most numerous "tank" in Finnish service during Continuation War. Only T-26 got anywhere close. The total amount of T-34s, KVs, Pz IVs and BT-42s was still beneath StuGs and they remained as the main force all the way to 1960s.
Suggestion to add it is still open on the WT forum.
I hope they would also add 2S1 spgs and BMP2
We need Sturmi
The swedish tree already has three BR 4.0 Tank Destroyers though.
The marksman can hit targets from 4km. The Devs "We'll pretend we didn't know that"
The version oh the T-55 chassis should've been added instead...
@@Daddo22 It makes no difference really, just a slower version
@@Rempai420 Try facing it in something like BMP-1 and then tell me it makes no difference
@@Daddo22 The chieftain marksman can do that? Just because the leopard is fast?
@@Rempai420 The issue is the combination of speed, maneuverability and hull armor, all coming from the Leopard 2 chassis (turret being lighter than the Leopard 2 turret gives it even more hp/t than the OG Leopard 2)
Finnish decisionmakers in the cold war period definitely didn't consider "engaging western armour of behalf of the socialist bloc". It was totally obvious that beneath the level of official foreign policy talk to uphold relations to the east the finnish army was 100% geared to fighting the soviet union, not the west. If the soviet union would have demanded it, the finns would have fought them, not the west.
There wasn't really any real reason for the West to engage Finland.
Even geography would have been against that.
But at the same time, the Finnish military had to be able to face a western invasion. If the USSR thought Finland could be invaded by the west, there was a serious risk that the USSR might attack. From the perspetive of the USSR, Finland would be an easy route for NATO to the USSR's second biggest city and critical naval infrastructure. As such, the ability to defend against the west was certainly part of official doctrine even if it wasn't the biggest threat seen from a Finnish perspective
The wording there is a bit liberal, but in practice Finland had an agreement with the Soviet Union to defend itself against any Western invader and request support from the Soviets in case of a threat that the FDF could not handle by itself. Of course, such a scenario would have been exceedingly unlikely to actually happen, but at least in a political sense the Finnish tanks were meant to deter and if necessary also engage Western armour.
@@mcpuff2318I don’t think any concrete plans were made and exercised against a western invasion. Had that happened, the Soviets would have crossed the border at which point Finland would have just joined NATO block to repel the invasion from the east. Everyone and their dog knew who the enemy was. The military would have revolted if asked to join the Soviets.
it was logical for them to buy weapons from the USSR as they could only be invaded from the South-East by the Soviets, to the west is friendly and neutral Sweden, so capture weapons could be use eassily.
Finnish army hated captured BT-5/-7's and disbanded the Christie tank platoon after few months as the armor was too thin and they tended to get stuck in forested terrain. Most BT's ended up as bunkers and Bt-42 was just a test to get something out of obsolete British field guns. Most numerous tank during the war were captured T-26's and until more modern tanks arrived they even converted dozens of captured OT-130/-133 flame tanks into unique T-26's with hull mg's. Gaijin also forgets that ALL Finnish T-28's were uparmoured into T-28E standard in 1941.
Correction:The 114 mm Field howitzer was either british or american origin(Originally a british design of ww1),which was used in Bt-42. It was designed as a fast assault tank. Small number of Bt tanks were converted to tractors similar to T-26´s.All flamethrower variants of T-26 were captured from the enemy and later in the war were converted to T-26B and T-26B tanks around 1942-43, not the other way around. Not all T-28s were uparmoured to the E standard due to increased wear and tear and many older T-28s served with original armour well into 1942 in their original form with the important change of having central turrets rear Mg removed from is mount, and all sporting the better 76mm L-10 Gun which was used in early T-34. These tanks served in the heavy tank platoons. In addition Fins also operated a single T-50, numerous T-37,38,and 40 tanks after capture as well as 7 captured T-34/76s late war 7 of the 85mm variant were captured. in addition 2 KV-1s uparmored to KV-1B/E standard, and Late war prizes included 2 ISU-152s. All this in addition of the german issued stuff.
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What about the stugs? They were (to my knowlege) the backbone of the Finnish armored forces in late ww2.
Hm. But when gaijin add the kingtiger in the Finnish tech tree you guys start to complain, but when gaijin doesn't copy paste a tank from a different tech tree to another you guys request for it
@@SaharianoDshk131 the king tiger they added is swedish and also copy paste. The commenter is wierded by the fact that gajin for some reason does not add some pretty historically important vehicles to some minor countries line hungary and finland.
@@SaharianoDshk131 When adding so-called "copy paste" vehicles to other tech trees, I like to consider whether or not there is a good reason for it or not. For the King Tiger, there isn't. Finland never used the Tiger II in combat, and Sweden only evaluated one. Adding that to the Swedish/Finnish/Nordic tech tree unnecessarily dilutes the German tech tree and causes completely needless problems with vehicle identification.
The StuG III in Finnish service was one of the most important armoured vehicles during the Continuation War, and leaving that on the sidelines just seems like a pretty big oversight. Instead Gaijin added a Panzer IV J, which the Finnish armoured forces did use - but only after the war. If I had to make a choice between the Pz.IV J and the StuG III, I would much rather have the StuG in the Finnish tech tree because it was a much more historically important and relevant vehicle.
For the same reason, adding for example a KV-1 to the Finnish tech tree would be perfectly cromulent, while the addition of a T-80U and the Mi-35A as premium vehicles was really rather offensive from my point of view.
Just because someone tested something doesn't mean it should be added to the tech tree. The US has tested a lot of Soviet/Russian planes, but there are no arguments that could convince me that adding something like MiG-21 or MiG-29 or Su-27 to the US tech tree would be in any way appropriate or good for the game.
But if a nation has actually used something in combat - I think then it's a fair game.
@@maitomies7096 oh shet i forgot, thanks for letting me know
As a Finnish person who completed my military training in the Armoured Brigade heres few small details that are wrong in the game: The T-72M1's dozer blade is all wrong and does not loot like that, all T series tanks were painted with the finnish camoflauge which the T-54 isnt in game and Finland does not mainly use a 105mm cannon in the Patria AMV but rather a twin 120mm Mortar known as the Patria Amos. Finland used a lot of German StuG tanks, so much so that it is kind of insulting to forget it. Last one, we use a modern thermal camera in the Leopard 2A4 and not a shitty one.
Pls don't post any punaleima stuff on the WT forums. ":D"
Sounds like Finland is also about to enter the classified race.
@@juhokuusisto9339 Juu en kyl aatellu
Welcome to Copy & Paste Thunder, don't expect actual accuracy or quality to Gaijin, wouldn't surprise me if most of the models are outsourced...
Don't you leak the specs on our tonks
we need modern Finnish BMP-2MD
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Naaaaaah first t72 and now you guys want bmp? But you already have one
@@yyyyyy-ro8ni but it is a big part of Finnish army even today as were the T72's
@@samueljussila how tf they got those Soviet tanks??
@@yyyyyy-ro8ni Bought them?
so when Finland is getting StuG III and JSU-152 (captured ISU-152)?
Never, that would require gaijin to care, judging by the amount of misinformation in the video id say it's unlikely.
We need AMOS!
Redo the Finnish voice lines. They keep calling artillery strike an airstrike and the line you get from winning battle is autism made manifest.
Yeah and when you tagged an SPG they used to call it "anti-air missile" but not anymore 😂
I honestly wonder who the hell made up the lines for a finished mission.
It's so cringe
OkEi pOjAd, kEiDedÄäN kAhViA!
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There's no sense of urgency in the voice lines, the swedish loader screams LADD like he's about to die and the finnish loader takes like three seconds to say aphe loaded, why does he need to even say "aphe loaded" instead of just "loaded"? Just have one voice line where the loader screams "ladattu" and that would be good
I mean it's pretty cool to have my own nation mentioned in a videogame but sadly the rechtree is missing the Finnish sutgs.
It's missing finnish tanks
Theres a bunch of planes they could add aswell. And well the voicelines are just dookie
And a lot of them are just copy paste models from other tech trees instead of updated ones to make them look unique. Which in the case of the Charioteer means it is the wrong version of the vehicle. All of the Charioteers Finland ordered are of the Mk.VII B variant with small upgrades over the A model. Most notable visual difference is the bore evacuator, clearly missing on the one in game.
@@sl1nged491 yeah and russkies mentioning finns dont count
There is only 1 BT-42 still that is some what good condition in a army museum in Finland
Parola?
@@guerillagorilla4423 yes
@@guerillagorilla4423 yes it's in parola
I've seen it
The T-72s weren't really decommissioned in the 2010s but around 2005
Decommisioned by the end of 2002
And facing full decommission much earlier than that, with the actual decommission being more of a formality. AFAIK, they were one leg out of the door not long after Finland joined EU.
And sold out in 2007
I promise Finland never even entertained the idea of fightíng any western nation on behalf of the soviet union
That was quite an insult. I spent a while thinking whether someone could utter such bs by mistake and ended up with the answer "not likely". They would have forgotten to breathe.
for some reason, the Germans have a premium Finnish KV1 but the Finnish don't have the KV1
suomi mainittu torilla tavataan
pakollinen
Torille.
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Kana käveli nakuna takanasi
ei lasketa ku ryssä mainitsee
Anybody else bothered that he said that finns didn't abandon the soviet inheritance completely and proceeds to show a swedish made CV90 and says bmp...
Russians coping that they could never takeover Finland from 1917 to today
Could we finally get non event AMV variants.....
there's one with a autocannon, it would be a good light tank like the BTR-80, can work as a SPAA too
@@m1karyewhateveryouwanna there are lots of versions to pick from, 105mm 120mm and several different ifv configurations as well as 2 120mm mortar carriers. It was even tested as a hellfire launch platform once
@@addedcheese I don't know about our 120mm one though.
@@m1karyewhateveryouwanna if memory serves it's the same turret and weapon system as the 120mm chentauro, nobody uses it, but that's never stopped Gaijin before
@@addedcheese oh alright
I think the AA is a sneak peak for the next update
What do you mean?
@@VeetiVOVetsson Probably marksman turret on T-54/55
@@Danny__608 i doupt that happening
@@VeetiVOVetssonI mean they already made the model, obviously. So if they already have the model, and they’re displaying it, I’d be shocked if they don’t add it in.
@@Northern00 ok, but I don't think id be something that Gaijin would do, because its BR would be 8.3 and there is allready an AA on 7.7 and 8.7.
Add back the VL Myrsky, and add the VL Viima and VL Humu to the tech tree
the VL viima would work better as the "reserve" for the finnish subtree
@@m1karyewhateveryouwanna ye or maybe just a reserve for sweden
@@m1karyewhateveryouwanna no guns on it tho?
The part about germany providing Finland with panzer 4 tanks is misleading as they didn't arrive in time for the war and thus weren't used in it.
One Panzer played the role of a KV-1 in the first Unknown Soldier ww2 movie, so it's a meta entry?
@@johtajakansioit was made in the fifties, so I suppose they used what they got in the movie.
In the most recent movie they also used a t34 in the place of a KV-1 (the scene where they use the anti-tank rifle and Hietanen destroys the tank with a mine)
So what? Plenty of tanks in these fights which were never used anywhere in WW2. Hell, still a lot of tanks which never even actually existed.
They were used in Lapland war.
It's true that they didn't arrive in time to fight the Soviets, but ironically, Pz. IV's were used in the Lapland War against the Germans.
So when the KV-1B in to the Finnish sub-tree?
Edit: So when T-55 Marksman?
Edit 2: So many more vehicles yet to be added
So true king
"When T-55 Marksman"
Never because it never worked correctly 😂
Oh wait this is war thunder. Never mind, carry on.
kv 1b is in the german tree due to sweden not existing at the time of its addition to the game and more finnsih tanks was not all too planned
@@Inductusnewer worked properly? Are you high it was THE spaa before the turrets were moved to leo2s
@@tyylikkyyden_orjawell considering the Chinese Type 62 being in the Soviet tree originally was copied into the Chinese tree when it came along, I see no reason why the KV1B shouldn't receive the same treatment
Quite inaccurate to be fair on a few ends
Smigga cant stop spittin facts tbh and common gaijin L
Polska! 🇵🇱
For Finnish vehicles please fix the commander ''fire'' command voice line to the gunner when fire button is pressed just before the round is reloaded, Commander has a random chance of shouting *VIHELTÄÄ* which is completely wrong voice line to use as it translates to ''Whistling'' which makes no sense at all
You sure that isn't prompt for enemy artillery landing near you? For that is what Fins shout when they can hear the artillery coming.
@@TmsFin This is 100% recreatable in the test range. Fire one shot, then press fire button again just before the cannon is reloaded to trigger the commander ''fire'' voice line! Finnish vehicles have the correct *TULTA* line which is correct, but at times he shouts *VIHELTÄÄ* which is incorrect line to use, there is no artillery active when this voice line comes out
@@Sovereign272 To be honest, I could see the commander use 'Viheltää' for fire command. This would equate to 'let fly' in English, unconventional for sure.
@@TmsFin That's what I mean, it feels like a direct translation from English to Finnish which makes it sound illogical to say
One thing missing here is the Stug SPGs.
Sadly no mention about Pasi with ”musti” 95 S 58-61 anti-tank weapon that was used for UN mission.
That’s pretty niche but would be cool to have
PERKELE (they summoned all finns)
And you still haven't added Finnish StuGs to the Swedish tech tree despite those tanks being the backbone of the Finnish armored forces during the Continuation War... Shouldn't be that hard to copy-paste them from the German tech tree and edit the models a little. After all, that's what you mostly do nowadays anyways when you implement "new vehicles".
FINLAND MENTIONED
@@VL_Myrsky ei lasketa kun ryssä mainitsee
Quite convinient that they disregard the StuGs given to & purchased by Finland, when they kinda forgot to add them to the Finnish tech tree... (even though they were the largerst portion from armor in the Finnish Army during the continuation war...)
The _BMP_ CV90??? Completely separate vehicles. The auxiliary armament in the CV90 is a PKT, not a kalashnikov
Technically correct since PKT is made by Kalashnikov.
Pulemyot Kalashnikova Tanksomething. It's a Kalashnikov.
When do we get KV-1E, KV-1S, STUG 3 & 4, BMP 2 AND 3 for finland
Finland didnt have stug 4's or bmp 3s
Really? Oh. Must have confused them with together, very similiar looks.
@@taistelusammakko5088Regardless Germany should get Stug 4
Instead of copy paste bmps, how about the Finnish bmp-25 prototype!
Should get the modernized BMP-2MD.
It gets better FCS, Thermals, (maybe better ammo) and some extra armor, in exchange for it's ATGM.
Hard to find engagement ranges over 600m in the Eastern Finland. 1,5km is max. required in our terrain.
No mention of the StuGs that were vastly more numerous than the Panzer 4s
You are talking about the Finnish KV-1's like there were several them in the Finnish army. The Finns only captured one or two of them. Adding to that, you also said that they liked the BT's ..... they really didn't.
Patria Amos in the game please.🥺 It was my service vehicle while I was in the military and would just love it in the game
dont forget the mighty MASI and field kitchen
@@teemusuomalainen6620 Oh my vehicle combination not by choice as I was assigned as a MASI driver for field cooks. Spend my days driving food for troops scattered around the training areas and getting resuplyes from barracks lol. LAPJP HKK 2/10 nevö föget
We're known for making some decent arms. We have the Patria Pasi, an incredible APC. We also make a bunch of TRG snipers like the 22 and 42. Our best thing to do with the military, is that we have a strong one, even if we're not known for making lots of amazing guns which is something that the Brits, French and Italians cant say
Finland did not have any "soviet inheritance"
Weren't a part of it for a second. The closest could be "shared inheritance", but that's already different.
Imagine russia not lying
@@TheFranssiBrother Could never be the mongol slave state XD
The Finnish tree is still missing: The Renaults, T-26 (1933 & 1938 variations), BT-5, BT-7, T-50, KV-1 (cast iron turret & KV-1B), StuG III, BMP-1, BMP-2, some BTRs, K9 Moukari (slightly different from the Norwegian Vidar) and the T-55 Marksman. There was also a prototype of a T-54 turned into an artillery tank.
There are also a few planes missing like the G.50s and C.R.714
SPH based on the T-54 chassis? On what caliber was that?
@@fauzin3338 its a 155m cannon, the name of the prototype was 155GH52-SP-T55
Too much work for Gaijin, they'd rather just copy & paste and add a few unique types.
@@terrified057t4 most of the missing vehicles are just a camo short of ready to be implimented. And KV-1B and Hawk H-75 just need to be moved from 1 tech tree to another
SUOMI PRKL! 🇫🇮
War Thunder is the only company to talk about history with animations from their game engine
Wargaming did it too...
I think yall should add a BMP 2 for Finland too as they have those
You need to add the Finnish BMP-2MD
Can yall free the basement guy
I wish that the finnish tech tree had the K9 moukari SPH, both the Patria Amos and Nemo and Patria AMV XP with the 120mm
Those are all for indirect fire and don't really fit wt. The k9 vidar already exists in the swedish tree and the finnish one would just be a reskin.
@@harriporo796 ye true…
@@harriporo796 A reskin with an objectively cool skin :-)
Why Nemo? Which outfit actually uses that?
The tree is missing a lot of very common tanks. The Stugs(Sturmi), BMP variants and BTR variants.
Modernized BMPs are still in use and the Stug was the most numerous WW 2 tank operated by Finland.
We fins didnt need huge factories to make thousands of tanks like the other countries did. We are not invading a country. We are protecting our own so we are glad with the armor we find from the enemy. The sisu is the true stuff. The morale in a war is the highest when you are fighting for your own home and not for someone elses.
In 1943 Finland bought 30 Sturmgeschütz 40 G -assault guns from Germany. The first batch of 10 arrived in Finland on July 6th 1943, the next batch of 8 on August 10th 1943 and the last batch of 12 on September 3rd 1943.
Worth mentioned, they had few vickers tanks, but only one was armed with cannon, others was bought without radio, optics and armament.
Finland has been summoned
Before the Soviet tank era the Finnish armored forces were a jumble of vehicles anybody would sell to us. For a Soviet tank, the T-72 was quite a competent vehicle, but the passage of time just obsoleted it. Many T-55 turrets and guns were in fact repurposed as coastal artillery pieces, which stayed in service into the 1990's (sure the loader had to be built like a gorilla and the gun recoil travel took a specialized guard to avoid injury).
Most important tank was missing here If u think WW2. Finland Haven stugs and they armor was uprated cement mixed with sawdust. Sawdust Make cement not fragile for hits.
Would be better if we could somehow have finnish tanks on the axis side on simulator mode, feels weird when finnish and soviet tanks are on the same side and then you come up against a german KV-1E with finnish markings. Other then that I hope to see more finnish stuff added to the game like the StuG iii and captured DB-3 or Pe-2 bombers or maybe even an I-16 with skis.
What about the finnish KV 1 in the german tech tree? Will it be moved to the swedish tech tree so they could have it to?
@@historybuilds no they already denied any finnish vehicles added to other trees before fire and ice
@@macrossdelta1402 i have actully talkt to Smin and he has Said that they have never denied that the finnish KV would go to Sweden, the only thing he did say wouldent happen is that they would completly remove the finnish Kv from the german tree
@historybuilds pls do show me where smin has ever said that the KV would go to sweden, his exact words were that it may, may go to sweden. That's not a confirmation. This is a subject I've talked quite a bit about. If gaijin wanted the kv-1b for sweden we would've gotten it instead of the kungstiger
@@macrossdelta1402 smin never Said when or how he just Said that they wouldent remove it from the german tree and it havent gone passed them to add it to Sweden nothing really more
The one that in there ( the event one) won’t move since it was a event vechile that’s why no move (from what I had heard)
My favorite country
lets gooo they made a video about my country
You guys missed the perfect opportunity to assemble all the Finnish tanks into the city square.
Fins stole "few"... like we stole all of them, no tanks returned to USSR.
I'm still waiting for my: BMP-2MD, Sturmi, KV1's, and T-72 FINMOD (literally all copy paste's with small modifications, not too hard since yall are experts at it)
they can do copy and paste but small mods? nah they could never. They can't even copy and paste the finnish camos from the soviet vehicles to the real finn stuff XD
Finnish:"if we have few tank just need capture them tank and then we have a lot"
Finland MENTIONED!!!
3:35 "Distinct Soviet Strength"/"Stalinium"
you could really update the visual model of the Finnish 2a6 to more accurate standards
You didn't at all mention how Finns made use of the StuG platform. A shame as it was by far the most combat effective vehicle of the Continuation war.
You're Finnished!
It is always funny to me as a Finn how our most numerous light machine gun of WW2 was DP-27 Degtyarov - all of course looted from Soviet troops.
"Eh, we have one design but it is kinda shoddy so lets just fill the gap by using enemy equipment"
I think everyone would agree when we get more variety of Unique Tanks of Scandinavia, players will enjoy Sweden even more than rn
Not only NATO Tanks on Steroids in the Swedish Techtree
Finland isn't a part of scandinavia, rather Nordics.
Ok i see that nobody is said about it. I will. So the finnish captured those Bt-7s and they made the Bt-42 it were not meant to use as an tank destroyer. It was a trench buster. It had that big cannon because it was meant to seriously: destroy trenches. It main ammunition was HE shells so it couldve done good damage to the soviet trenches. Even if it is in the game. It is a trench buster. Thank you for reading.
Sorry. There was a talk about it but i told more.
The StuG III was the unsung hero of the late war finnish armored forces, which around 30 of were purchased and were used in some of the largest battles finland saw during both wars, in 1944 to stop the soviet advance and in 1945 to kick the germans out of lapland. But yeah, yall can just ignore it because its not in the tech tree
Its great that the compleatly russian owned game knows so much about the finnish history. hopefully its not biased or anything
yup, can't believe how real and totally true this video is
As a Finnish war thunder playing guy I am so glad that Finland is in war thunder👍👍
saying the BT-42 was used at all is kinda stretching it tbh
Bt 42 gotta be one of the most fun vehicles to play
FINLAND MENTIONED🔥🔥🔥🔥 RAHHHHHHH🇫🇮🇫🇮🦅🦅🦅
When will Finland get the KV’s in their tech tree? They already exist in the game for Germany
German KV-1B is the OP super rare seal clubbing, wehraboos would cry harder than ever and even the commieboos would seethe
Props for the Nightwish reference.
You have to Finish your whole tank before you can have Tank Destroyer
YOU SHOULD ADD THE POSSIBILITY TO MODIFY A PATRIA WITH AMOS DUAL PROPELLED MORTAR SYSMEN
There are more issues you need to fix:
- rank 7 and 8 it's an absolute mess, too much missles and too dumb teammates;
- why do BRs exist when 85% are uptiers?
- flying below 60 doesn't work against AIM-120.
- Why is a Gripen at 13.0 and 2 MiG-29s with R-60MKs at 12.7?
- WW2 vehicles should not fight with jets in full uptiers! I'm getting bombed by F-84s in my Tiger II, really?
Moi From Finland!
I am from Finland and started to grind swedish tech tree after the finnish vechiles came and that is the only reason I have played on sweden bc the finnish tanks and planes are just so perfect (at least the early ones bc I am at 8.0 br and it has been a bit bad trying to grind at that br bc a little lack of finnish tanks in that br...)
Really cool to see that some effort is put to showcase the history behind the vehicles of WT. It's just a shame that it is very surface level and also inaccurate in a lot of ways
FINLAND MENTIONED PERKELE!!!!
Thank you gaijin. Because of your short sighted "decompression" my ADV now face only 13.0 games against grippens.
We need the zsu-57-2M in the game, pls. But It like 9.0 after the itpsv 90
I'd also recommend changing the designation to the Finnish one for the sake of clarity
Little brother Finland is a force to be reckoned with!
If or when you ad the hornets into the game you should add a finnish variant.
The object 279 is coming out for festivities in irl
Thank you so.mich for adding the object 640 in a big fan of it 🙏
you from the future? there's no black eagle???
That finnish homemade tank... We in sweden use it as an infantry transport. Fun fact, I was on a train that crashed into one of them during a military exercise in 2017.
Didn't see any mention about StuG III? Probably the most influential tank Finns used during the world war 2. Also the Patria AMV is a thing but the CTCV-105 isn't used by any nation, not even Finn's. Only some prototypes were made but no one was interested in buying or using it.
Fun fact: the Finnish armed forces used StuG-s until 1959. 🇫🇮
Until 1966, actually. And after that as static emplacement.
4:11 bro you got the correct itpsv 90 in this video why not put this one instead? or both inside a folder?
i think they are going to, i really doubt they'd just make the model and forget it
You guys completely forgot the single most important tank in the continuation war with the most amount of confrmed kills.
The Stug
Literally how
probably revanchist history
congratulations on summoning all the finns
Why war Thunder not ADD stug III
"engaging western armour of behalf of the socialist bloc" that is simply not true. The way Finland declared it's neutrality was a rather blunt (quite finnish way to say things) statement that the Finnish would fight *anyone* who would dare cross our borders with aggression. But I seriously doubt even the dumbest soviet officials were not stupid enough to actually believe any western country would actually attack Finland.
I think this concept was even referred to in the so called YYA-treaty (Friendship, Co-operation and Assistance). I believe USSR made similar treaties with other countries, wich were practically fated to become vasal states of the USSR. I understood that these treaties were being practically forced upon these countries... And because of that when Finland came up with the idea to suggest the same on their own initiave, it simply startled the Soviets so that they didn't fully realise every detail of what they actually signed... Not until it was too late. The USSR did try and use such treaties to "offer assistance", or in other words send troops to these countries. But that was made impossible in case of Finland and it's YYA-treaty, as it made it very clear that troops could be sent only if the Finnish goverment formally and officially requested such assistance... Wich they were obviously not dumb enough to do.
The Soviets were annoyed after realizing what happened, but there was nothing they could really do, other than simply go to war against Finland... Wich would have been illadvisable, due to the fact that during second world war the west simply could not help Finland even if they wanted to... But after the war that was no longer the case, there was really nothing stopping the western countries from helping Finland.
There is even some evidence that while publicly making "neutral" statements and pretending to be all friendly with the Soviets... Finnish and American high level leaders had "an understanding", and the americans did make it clear to the USSR that Finland is not to be touched.
And the Soviets knew from experience, that the finnish had the ability to hamper progress... For much longer than it would take for western help to arrive. Unprovoked attack would be a PR disaster for USSR, and would easily justify retaliation by the west.
One interesting detail about Finland and the eastern block is the fact that the finnish placed a couple of rather high performance radio and tv broadcast stations along its southern coastline... Due to the placement and power, transmissions were receivable on the other side of the Gulf of Finland. And while it might not seem all that big of a deal, having some transmissions received in parts of Estonia... But on the other hand, in the 1980's the soviet officials confiscated records of western shows, with finnish subtitles all accross the Soviet territory.
Gaijin probably didn't bother to check the real history and just believed whatever the Russian education system taught them
My whole toptier lineup got own video 😂 Leopard 2 Marksman, A4, A6, CV30, Ito, CTCV
can we have more italian vehicles in the game? ITALIAN NON HUNGARIAN Italy≠Hungary
Finally Patria mentioned
Yes, please add more