It's Only Rock and Roll Roundtable | 50th Anniversary

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  • Опубликовано: 20 дек 2024

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  • @scottgalupo
    @scottgalupo 17 часов назад +6

    We are here for all the albums! Thanks for having me on to opine 🙏👍

    • @captainkirk70
      @captainkirk70 15 часов назад

      I'm curious of your star ratings of all the albums after Undercover. I'm 54 and they've been my favorite band since '79ish. I can't stand those records. The only really good stuff is Keith's IMHO. Would you really rate any of those later albums as better than IORR? Way too much filler and Mick's production choices make them never play for me. But please rate Dirty Work thru Hackney Diamonds. Really curious because I respect your opinion.

  • @shawnpatrick3251
    @shawnpatrick3251 15 часов назад +3

    Well, done once again, Justin. Always look forward to discussions with people and get their opinions on what they like and dislike on a given album. I don’t always agree, but that’s what makes a beautiful discussion. Keep up the good work.

    • @HangFireStonesPodcast
      @HangFireStonesPodcast  3 часа назад

      Thanks Shawn! Thanks for seeing the bigger picture. We're all big boys (and girls) here and can handle hearing differing views. 💪

  • @groverlongwire858
    @groverlongwire858 9 часов назад +2

    Luxury is one of the best songs ever written! Lyrics, vocals, groove, all of it!
    Perfection.

  • @PraiseGod428
    @PraiseGod428 18 часов назад +9

    I’m a bit older than your guests, but I remember it well. A solid 5!! It was of the times.

    • @captainkirk70
      @captainkirk70 15 часов назад +1

      Agreed. Personally, I think it blows away anything after TY. Can't believe the low ratings. I think it matters when you jumped on the Stones train. The more recent and drastically lesser records are normal to you. Not for me.

    • @charlesschwartz307
      @charlesschwartz307 15 часов назад +2

      It seems like the only reason for this video was to make a video. The album is reflective of where the artists were at the time. It’s reflective of the thoughts and experiences of a group of individuals. I love the concert reviews but maybe think about the time and give context?

    • @captainkirk70
      @captainkirk70 15 часов назад +2

      @@charlesschwartz307 I think it matters because we remember when they were still a raw, real, band. Live with only piano/horn. Not 3 backup singers,etc. The live shows are still good but so different starting with '89. And not for the better. I miss the drunken Keith/Ronnie backups and them working around the extra instruments with just their guitars and making them "live" versions. Not trying to exactly recreate the studio versions. Like Under My Thumb opening the '81 tour still gives me chills. I feel like there's not enough loud guitars anymore. Also, I think Mick's voice and stage moves were better. He took lessons and worked with choreographers. It changed the charm. Miss his old style with stage clothes too. Now he's always wearing a button shirt over a t-shirt. Not fabulous like he was. I wish he'd go for it and be outlandish or just wear all black all night.

    • @captainkirk70
      @captainkirk70 15 часов назад +1

      @@charlesschwartz307 We were fortunate to grow up during the times we did. Stones were just so on top of the rock culture. People copied them.

    • @charlesschwartz307
      @charlesschwartz307 15 часов назад

      @@captainkirk70 I think you bring up really great points. I as well miss the Stones of ‘72 and ‘78. But ww still have that music. For me, I respect their artistic output since. Whether I like it as much or as little doesn’t really matter though as I am not qualified to sit in judgement of where another person is at any point later or before in their life.

  • @joejenkins3595
    @joejenkins3595 16 часов назад +4

    Great cover art too.

    • @polar199
      @polar199 13 часов назад +1

      I think the artist is Guy Peellhaert.

    • @lsundal19
      @lsundal19 7 часов назад

      the cover is epic, it's a story all it's own

    • @HangFireStonesPodcast
      @HangFireStonesPodcast  3 часа назад

      Yes!

    • @polar199
      @polar199 3 часа назад +1

      Guy Peellhaert wrote an art book called Rock Dreams which features the Stones.

  • @shawnriffhard
    @shawnriffhard 5 часов назад +1

    Very perceptive take on the Ronnie b/u vocals on IORR in 89😉

  • @shawnriffhard
    @shawnriffhard 6 часов назад +1

    I agree very much with Timo in that it sounds like "here's some new songs" feel of the album and Scott talking about how it sounds "brown". Amazing because I've always thought that. And then, yes, how did they get the sound together so beautifully on Black and Blue?
    On the other hand, as a kid working my way back through the catalog in the early 80's, I loved the opening 3 song assault. Absolute perfection and it seemed so "handed down from the mount on stone tablets".
    I also LOVE Luxury. I missed all the problems that the aggrieved the panel so much. Dance Little Sister was monumental for me as new fan. Monstrous, miraculous Keef riffing that became an obsessive piece for me. (I also love Made in the Shade, but I digress).
    Could not get enough of the piano extravaganza of Short n Curlies (thought we were going to hear a medley of this and Dreamy Skies this tour). Very much in the "Stones sounding like the Stones" for me. Like Hide Your Love. TimeWFNO is upper pantheon material; FFile is most worthy and BMyFriend is a deliciously decadent soul treat with Billy doing his thing. Next Goodbye is a high quality pop number. 4.25 stars for me.

  • @corygreen1626
    @corygreen1626 17 часов назад +4

    Come on guys it's only rock'n'roll but we like it

  • @jimdulzo9023
    @jimdulzo9023 18 часов назад +9

    Y'all just don't get it on Luxury. It's a Jamaican working in a local refinery--not in Texas but in the Caribbean--and complaining about how hard he has to work to keep his family going and maybe getting a vacation some time. and...workin' so hard to keep YOU (i.e., us) in Luxury by providing cheap oil for our big fine cars and flying around. We all win...the worker and his family looses. It's got real social and economic awareness and irony. The mix sucks...yes...it does for the whole album, but it sounds like the Stones flirting with reggae...not imitating it. It doesn't have to be 'authentic' to have an attractive flavor. You guys are too harsh!

    • @scottgalupo
      @scottgalupo 14 часов назад +2

      @@jimdulzo9023 but there’s no oil in Jamaica, is there?!

    • @grimmertwin2148
      @grimmertwin2148 11 часов назад

      ​@@scottgalupoYou're wrong.
      What are you doing here?
      Stones fans don't shit on other Stones fans
      Get your facts straight.
      Or go and listen to your Beatles collection

    • @grimmertwin2148
      @grimmertwin2148 10 часов назад

      Thanks man that's the most amazing break down of a Stone's song I've ever read.
      Especially as it's not one of my favourites ( yet ) and I always struggle with lyrics in general and Mick's unique delivery most of the time lol.
      But it's the music hey.
      What I really got from your analysis was Mick s love for the people and the land.
      He just gets stuff.
      Thanks man
      Merry Christmas

    • @jimdulzo9023
      @jimdulzo9023 9 часов назад

      @@scottgalupo Hey scott--not saying it's oil wells, and not necessarily Jamaica..but a refinery somewhere in the Caribbean,...

    • @HangFireStonesPodcast
      @HangFireStonesPodcast  3 часа назад +1

      @grimmertwin2148 Yo. Cool the F down dude. All Stones fans' opinions count even if they don't line up with your views.

  • @groverlongwire858
    @groverlongwire858 9 часов назад +1

    It’s Only Rock and Roll is a fucking great album, period! Every song is perfect!
    Fingerprint File is the greatest closer ever!

  • @captainkirk70
    @captainkirk70 16 часов назад +1

    5 stars. Great album! Blows away anything since Tattoo You. Great sounding record too. Love the Glimmer Twins style.

    • @captainkirk70
      @captainkirk70 15 часов назад

      If it came out today it would be hailed as a return to form. It's better than HD even and that's their best thing since Undercover.

  • @AnthonyBattista_
    @AnthonyBattista_ 13 часов назад +1

    Thank you Justin, Scott, and Timo for this great discussion on IORR! Such a great and informative video!
    I very much enjoy IORR but it definitely leaves a bit to be desired and doesn't seem as "serious" as their other albums from this time if that makes sense. Timo put it best, comparing IORR to a compilation album. There seems to be no cohesion, but I think replacing Short And Curlies (joke song) & IYRWTBMF (Mick Jagger Solo type song) with Living In The Heart Of Love (Stones rocker) & Through The Lonely Nights (amazing ballad) would've made the album seem more well rounded and in line with the rest of the material.
    Overall, IORR is a very fun album and I very much enjoy it every time I listen to it in full. While the production is average and would benefit from a remastering and deluxe release, it doesn't sound as dated and of its time as Black and Blue does In my opinion.
    IORR ranks in my Top 10 Stones albums, below is my full ranking:
    1. Let It Bleed
    2. Sticky Fingers
    3. Some Girls
    4. Exile on Main St.
    5. Tattoo You
    6. Goats Head Soup
    7. Beggars Banquet
    8. It's Only Rock n' Roll
    9. Aftermath (US/UK)
    10. Black And Blue
    11. Out Of Our Heads (US)
    12. England's Newest Hitmakers
    13. Voodoo Lounge
    14. Emotional Rescue
    15. Between The Buttons (US/UK)
    16. The Rolling Stones, Now!
    17. December's Children (And Everybody's)
    18. Steel Wheels
    19. Undercover
    20. Bridges To Babylon
    21. 12x5 / No.2
    22. Their Satanic Majesties Request
    23. Hackney Diamonds
    24. Dirty Work
    25. Blue and Lonesome
    26. A Bigger Bang

    • @HangFireStonesPodcast
      @HangFireStonesPodcast  3 часа назад

      Thanks Anthony! I think there are more folks who echo your feelings. It's a very good album held hostage by some not great choices.

  • @grimmertwin2148
    @grimmertwin2148 10 часов назад +2

    As much as admire the podcast, channel and presenter I'm not watching this.
    I'm so sick and tired of criticism levelled at the Stones and me personally for being a fan.
    I would have listened to this album countless times and will again. Plus favourite tracks randomly on the spur of the moment.
    That'll do me.
    The mix
    The sound
    The lyrics
    Blah blah blah blah
    If you can't dance or cry in your drink to this album have a good look at yourself lol.
    Who needs more negativity in their lives?
    Let it slide on by you.
    Anyone seen the new Nicky Hopkins, Billy Preston, Bill Wyman or Brian Jones docos yet?
    Btw Steve of Flipside has just dropped Exile pt 4 or is it 5.
    Must be the new meds.
    Would love to see these two on a podcast one day.
    Merry Christmas Stones fans
    We'll take over the world one day....when we get around to it ❤

    • @lsundal19
      @lsundal19 7 часов назад

      I AGREE! With everything you say! I love this album!
      I was so excited to see watch this but with all the snarky comments I have to ask--if you this this is a 2.5 why are you here?
      I listened for about ten minutes and decided my time was better spent cleaning the cat box.

    • @shawnriffhard
      @shawnriffhard 5 часов назад +1

      Flipside CT has been on Hang Fire at least twice
      ruclips.net/user/livemWaacxcig8o?si=npksvp8mGgrQlrnu

  • @1rwjwith
    @1rwjwith 17 часов назад +1

    Ok, I gave grades to all the songs and came up with an overall 3.25 ..thats my score. Two 5 songs for me. Time Waits…and Fingerprint File. Lows…Till The Next Goodbye, Luxury. Great analysis ..loved it!

  • @resstr1146
    @resstr1146 13 часов назад +2

    Somewhere I read that Ronnie had made a deal- the Stones get IORR and Ronnie gets I can Feel the Fire

  • @Mark-tw5ws
    @Mark-tw5ws 15 часов назад +1

    I like this album more with every listen. I guess it's only rock n roll but I like it.

  • @actiontown2409
    @actiontown2409 4 часа назад +1

    in the 70's texas was practically synonymous with oil. the texas oil tycoon. it's workin for sub minimum wage, because oil was the first american industry to offshore, in a jamaican refinery and you're just trying to keep your family happy and feeling proud and have a party at the end of the day. and yeah you make a million for texans and twenty dollars for yourself but life is joyful with your woman and family

  • @shawnriffhard
    @shawnriffhard 5 часов назад +1

    Dance Little Sister was tried with middling results on El Mocambo. It was written on the plexiglass boards near Charlie in rehearsals for, I think Voodoo Lounge (?), along with a bunch of other interesting songs that never got a performance.

  • @romelovesdan
    @romelovesdan 14 часов назад +1

    When rating and discussing classic albums you MUST consider and have an ear for other albums and trends of that particular year. Songs fit in better in that context.
    Agree with Justin, we long for a fresh complete remix in a deluxe release. Some have done EQ ‘remasters’, and they sound a smidge better….Some more modern equipment and programs may be more capable of providing a stop gap enhanced version.

    • @johnryan3913
      @johnryan3913 13 часов назад

      I agree with your first point, and IORR seemed a little out of touch coming after Bowie's Diamond Dogs and using the same artist to do the (less well executed) artwork. 1974 was a strange year, with a lot of iconic bands breaking up or making sub-,par work. The best records were made by newer and less well known artists (Eno, Roxy, Nico, Big Star, Parliament). On the other hand my taste runs to mastering an old album to sound as close to the original master tapé as is feasible. I don't like what has been done with various Beatles and solo Beatles projects, though I am always interested in outtakes. I éven like the Stones bonus discs with rewritten songs and new parts from Mick and Ron, but they are exceptions!

    • @romelovesdan
      @romelovesdan 11 часов назад

      @40:55. For perspective, you have to remember The Glimmer Twins, Jagger- Richards songwriting team were competing with the image of the Lennon-McCartney songwriting partnership image. Andrew Loog Oldham pushed that as part of the maturation of the Stones image.

    • @romelovesdan
      @romelovesdan 11 часов назад

      @ Thanks. You get what I was trying to convey. Listening to songs now, and attempting to compare with subsequent releases does not put you in the moment of its era.

    • @johnryan3913
      @johnryan3913 10 часов назад

      @@romelovesdan No, but it is important to do both, to understand where the artist is at in their evolution, and the historical/cultural moment and how the Stones (in this case,) dealt with that. I have no problem with Beatles comparisons. I think the Stones are exceptional writers, with their own vision and themes from 1964 on up.

  • @joejenkins3595
    @joejenkins3595 16 часов назад +3

    Dip? GHS and B&B are good albums too.

  • @Gordy63
    @Gordy63 17 часов назад +5

    I like the album a lot more than the three of you, and I even like Short and Curlies. I do agree it’s a total goof song but I like the groove. Like Scott, Fingerprint File was a total dud for my ears and I would never play it. I do agree that the production of the album is a little too cluttered and bright. Too be honest, it reminds me a little of the production on Hackney Diamonds.

    • @captainkirk70
      @captainkirk70 14 часов назад

      Agreed on the HD reference. The first record I thought of. But I do think IORR is better than HD. Except for Sweet Sounds, I think the songwriting is good but not up to the '70s/early'80s last stand.

    • @Gordy63
      @Gordy63 9 часов назад

      @@captainkirk70 Agree 💯 on IORR being better than HD, and the main reason is MickTaylor who is by far the best pure guitar player in the Stones history. Keith is undoubtedly the king of riffs, but Mick Taylor was the Ying to his Yang 🤘

    • @HangFireStonesPodcast
      @HangFireStonesPodcast  3 часа назад

      Thanks for watching!

  • @manuelrobledo8072
    @manuelrobledo8072 16 часов назад +1

    Scott giving it a 2.5🤯

    • @scottgalupo
      @scottgalupo 12 часов назад

      My Stones stars are relative - they’re worth more than stars for other bands😉

  • @stonz82
    @stonz82 17 часов назад +2

    3.5 is fair, 2.5 is harsh.

  • @Nick-yb9xz
    @Nick-yb9xz 59 минут назад

    Why do they never heads up Steve and his excellent Stones Documentaries

  • @Dantianblue
    @Dantianblue 18 часов назад +3

    A bit harsh. Its not brilliant but it is enjoyable and I prefer the sound of that time to the later stuff.

  • @jonashallberg2832
    @jonashallberg2832 13 часов назад +1

    4/5

  • @shasta810
    @shasta810 17 часов назад +1

    2 1/2 stars? if it's not exile on Main Street or sticky fingers people just dismissed these records. this album sounds brown and GHS is beige. The stones should have just kept doing exile over and over and over and over to satisfy everyone!

  • @captainkirk70
    @captainkirk70 15 часов назад

    Mick's been a great guitar player since '69. Ever see the deleted scene from Gimme Shelter of Mick, Tina, and Ike? Jagger does a version of Brown Sugar and it's way better than I can play it. Plus you got Sway? He's done some fantastic parts. Just dumbs it down live because he's being Mick Jagger. I think Keith is just talking shit. I mean Mick wrote the Brown Sugar riff. If you watch that deleted scene it's fully formed. Keith was probably jealous because it's one of their most famous riffs and he gets credit for it.

  • @johnryan3913
    @johnryan3913 15 часов назад +1

    I never found it sonically harsh, but it is dull on the original LP. The 1994 cd does sound pretty good. To me it is one of their weakest albums, along with Steel Wheels. (I love Goats Head btw). The original title track is a fascinating, fantastic groove and Ron Wood's debut with the the Stones. It along with If You Really Want To Be My Friend, and If You Can't Rock Me are the best songs. Time Waits For No One is imo banal musically, and lyrically. The Stones have written a lot of great songs dealing with time, but this one is all cliches. Fingerprint File predicts their more inspired move into funk they took on Black and Blue, and is another highlight. Finally Ain't Too Proud to Beg is an uninspired cover, a 1 if Imagination is a 10. Mediocre.

  • @joejenkins3595
    @joejenkins3595 17 часов назад +1

    Bought it the day released. A little filler...but I like Stones filler. Like the dirty sound mix too.

  • @eloganphoto
    @eloganphoto 17 часов назад +1

    Love the album -four stars out of five. Would be higher if it didn't include,: Short and Curlie's

  • @ArmandoMPR
    @ArmandoMPR 15 часов назад

    You guys’ opinion SUCKS! 😂
    This is an objectively great album. Sure, compared to the Stones’ own mega classics it’s not as good, but compared to other 1974 albums by other artists it more than holds its own weight. This would easily be the best album by other great artists. You gotta have some fucking perspective here.

    • @AnthonyBattista_
      @AnthonyBattista_ 13 часов назад +2

      IORR is great and in my top 10 Stones albums but you have to chill... They are entitled to their opinions and gave great arguments on each point - they said quite a lot of positive remarks about IORR too !! These three love the Stones and are very passionate about them, we should be grateful for content like this !!

  • @lsundal19
    @lsundal19 7 часов назад

    You guys are WAY TOO HARSH!!!

  • @frankisfrank69
    @frankisfrank69 11 часов назад +1

    2 1/2 stars is really harsh, Mr Scott. A lot of bands would kill to have ONE album like IORR! Come on: Time Waits for No One and the title track alone are worth the price of admission. The Stones forever! PS. "The Brown album" refers to the eponymous The Band album (1969), a masterpiece of rock history. So, not a relevant tag to put on a "lame album"... Beige, alright, but definitely not brown ;)

  • @mikesheridan7651
    @mikesheridan7651 7 часов назад

    No mention of Heartbreaker!!??

    • @shawnriffhard
      @shawnriffhard 6 часов назад +1

      GHSoup

    • @mikesheridan7651
      @mikesheridan7651 5 часов назад +2

      Ooops...having a senior moment 😜
      Sorry, folks

    • @shawnriffhard
      @shawnriffhard 5 часов назад +1

      @@mikesheridan7651 🤣😅I use to spend time rearranging the two albums to make a perfect mix of songs, which would have totally changed everyone's perception of the "mid 70's slump". And considering the relentless writing output up to that time it would have been perfectly reasonable, especially coming off the double album EOMStreet. But an album a year was the standard of the time.