The Kop and the SKD were always going to be redeveloped. Its just a matter of time. Everyone said the Main Stand couldn't be done, thwn we did it. Then we were told the ARE couldn't be done, then we did that too. Times change. Obstacles can and will be overcome. Looking at the surrounding areas, the Kop is clearly the next logical redevelopment step. It would be fantastic to make it the biggest rail-seated end in world football. We thankfully committed to staying at our world famous home, so it deserves nothing less than continual improvement.
The problem is -- and always has been -- that you get one muppet who thinks they can make a fortune by refusing to sell until the very last minute (even though they don't want to live there) and will hold the club to ransom. The more fans publicise this "Isle of Man" scheme, the more zeros that are added on to the sale price of the last house.
Very good point, however you only pay what the value of the property is. After all everything will be given a value after the properties are surveyed. Once there is a value, then maybe add another 50k or buy the current owners a bigger 3 or 4 bed house, down the road and refurbish the property. Personally I think the club should double the value of the current properties and watch them fly out of the oven like hot cakes.
If someone doesn’t want to move then that’s fine. I’m a red and we can always obtain a compulsory order for the properties that are required. It’s not an issue, they’re buying the properties for redevelopment of the Kop. Skerries road will take care of itself. Kop in 2026/7 SKD 2030.
Sorry, but if you knew you were going to be haggled on the price of your house you'd do the same thing when you know the buyer has bags of dough and desperately want to buy you out. Id do the same
I've heard this before, and I understand, (the diagonal line of a triangle is longer than the base), but I don't think that it will work. Here's why, for a spectator sat in a stand to be comfortable there has to be (for argument's sake) 1m per tier, space from the back of the bum (when seated) to the tips of the toes, Okay? There is a limited number of multiples of that 1m between pitch-side and Walton Breck Road. Now think in ratio, 1 lego brick per 1m. So say 1st tier is 1 lego brick in height, 2nd tier is 2 lego bricks in height, that's 2 lego bricks in depth, right? Say the 1st tier is 1 lego brick, and the 2nd tier is 3 lego bricks (so the rake of the stand is steeper), the depth is still 2 lego bricks, whether the 2nd tier is 2 or 3 lego bricks tall. So there are only a limited number of lego bricks (tiers) between pitch-side and Walton Breck Road, so THAT determines how many tiers there can be. So the base of the stand determines it's height, steepness has nothing to do with it. But that means, that the Church, The Park pub, and Walton Breck Rd are as good as gone should this development go ahead... which it looks like it will.
Overlapping tiers is a good idea, I've thought of that also. But having looked at American Football stadiums which employ such designs, we would only be talking 1 or 2 rows of seating, so I don't think that it would be cost-effective, or improve capacity to a degree which we desire. Taking everything into account which has been discussed in these RUclips comments, there's going to have to be some major redesigning of road systems and replacement luxury apartments built for the demolished housing, before any Kop /S.K.D. stand construction can take place. Both stands need to be completely replaced. Cramped seating in S.K.D. means the whole stand needs to be replaced, not just a build-over process from the back like The Main Stand and Anfield Road were constructed.
Great work... Agree we shouldn't pressure families to leave but we could pay significantly over the value to encourage them..... Or pay a figure and also buy them an alternative house to help move them quicker. At the end of the day a huge Kop would cover this extra outlay.
With the Kop End being preferred choice it gives LFC more time to tread carefully with the homes and streets behind SKD stand, this will be a talking point for years to come I feel
@@greybeardmedia-merseysidebey A club as large as LFC with global recognition should be able to build a 70-80k seat stadium. A club that large *should also be able to restructure the town around it.
With the spare land available not directly within the footprint of an expanded Kop, then relocating the business, homes and church seems relatively easy. The road could be then diverted like Anfield Road and the Kop extended in one large tier backwards.
You Liverpool lads need 80:000 to 100:000 all seated stadium for going into the future hopefully us Celtic we get ours shortly think the are looking into it two big matches that hopefully it works out 🇳🇬🇳🇬🇳🇬✊✊
because most people in houses don' t want to move. Especially if they own it. It could have memories that mean you have to way over pay to get them out making paying everyone infeasible. if you spent your life to buy a place and somebody just wants to come an level your memories you might not be amenable.
In my opinion, to compete with Europe's elite, Anfield certainly needs extending further. Domestically both City, Chelsea and United are looking at further expansion. Our waiting list is already expanding. Problems could be logistic and lets not ignore the local residents. For me, 70k - 75k would be ideal
Rebuilding the Kop is not feasible unless you want to put corporate seating in there… which is obviously not going to happen. The only other stand that can be expanded is the Kenny.
I still remember those two old Dears in the street from the old Kemlyn Road who refused to move. I think we waited until one passed away. If they can re-route the traffic, they could do ‘something’ I’ve just watched The Overlap, with Rafa on and he makes that problem LFC have had for 35 years…Man Utd get 75,000 per home game…we are catching up, but from 89 we were 44,000…add that fan money up from then to now, we could have built a new Stadium… I was always up for that idea of Both LFC/EFC building a San Siro with 100k attendance. The thousands of fans who used to wake up on a Saturday and decide to go the match! The clubs were up for it, but fanbase’s rubbished it! One thing I would say, it would have to be like the Main Stand, it wouldn’t be right if they two tiered it… I’ve been saying it for years…the money we’ve lost must be Billions next to Man U…
I think the intention had always been to upgrade all 4 stands. Now, with 2 of the 4 stands having had their upgrade completed its really just a question of do they do stages 3 & 4 together in order to get it all done or do they simply continue to do a stand at a time. And, there's something saying to me at the back of my mind that especially given the fact that while redeveloping each of the two stands already done both construction companies Carillion and The Buckingham Group went into administration. So, I think it's better to just err on the side of caution given the current financial climate.
If the Kop becomes a matter of when than if, do we adjoin it with the main stand or do we leave it as free standing? In the meantime we should do what United did and also connect the main stand and anfield road together. 5k, maybe even 10k people could slot in
I would love to see the KOP rebuilt in exact the same way and size as the Annie Road end, would create more spaces and also symmetry and general lift to the hotch-potch of lopsided stands. BUT as stated before somethin needs to be done about the traffic situation in L4 on match days. There needs to be a train/underground station or two nearby, also rerouting the Walton Breck Road behind the Kop End - can it be done, would be a great and needed lift for the entire L4-area.
it's amazing to think that a building that will house 60-70 thousand people in and around it on matchdays is allowed amongst the houses.. we're lucky the fans nowadays aren't like those in the 80s but who knows what will happen in the future.. it is a big risk to try to contain that many fans if things break out..
The church, pubs and business could all be rebuilt in a modern fashion on the land to the left of the Kop as you look at it. Almost like an Anfield biz park.
Great work GB lad. Makes 100% sense to upgrade both stands, but the Kop is the easiest to complete in my opinion. It might cost north of 100 mill, maybe even 200 mill. We all know the valus of the club will most likely increase by 500 mill, so makes financial sense to the money men at the club. Let the planning committee start to plan, and add another 5000 seats.
With a bit of creativity the road is an easy fix. It can be excavated and lowered then covered up with pre-fabricated panels to save downtime. That will leave so much ground level space to expand the cop. Its been done in several countries so I don't see why not
Where can they expand ? Council parkland on one side.. Streets of terraced houses..privately owned on the other...the economic logistics would be a nightmare...should have relocated like Everton and built from scratch...as Man Utd are going to do...albeit alongside their current stadium...
Looking at the vacant land opposite the club shop, & up to the terraced houses where home baked is. It looks like they are planning to divert Walton Breck Road. So from where the vacant land that starts at Burleigh Road South to the vacant houses at home baked, looks possible they diverting like they did with Annie Road stand. Just would need to obtain the church or move the church. Obviously once the road is moved or plans in place for that they possibly works are begin to remove & rebuild the Kop
Well done GB you make a lot of opinions on your video thanks for update anfield with you and kc we are coming more pupolar and more well done keep your good work YNWA .
Thanks for posting this GB, just had a look at google maps @ road A5089 Oakfield Road, @ your time stamp 9.58 you have an overhead shot of A5089, my hunch on the distance the houses that are boarded up and the land available further up A5089, LFC ******* may ******* have achieved an alteration in the road, nothing major ! just ease the road over to where the houses are, then the new road would run parallel with the old one, hence allowing depth for the new Kop stand, Yep "controversial " with the church, a relocation package with enormity would be provided, just my thoughts !
I think you are right, easiest way is to just tweak the road over and rebuild the church as close as possible to the Community. what about the pub though as I thought the owners got it grade listed, maybe they can lift the build up and move it forward
@@ecohipster7724 Some listed buildings can be demolished, or heavily altered, depending on circumstances, English Heritage is the place to find out about that, how old it is, history, many things make up a grade ! Without researching I wouldn’t guess, but I think it will all go eventually, massive relocation package!!!!!!!!
@@markbusby9709 I believe they got it listed as local historical significance being in front of the kop from the early days of the stadium but im not 100% on it
Just like i said we could have new expansion stand in 2-3 years later. And in 2030 we already have a new kop stand. Imagine that make me scary, How we beat Barcelona last time. With only 54k capacity Anfield. That's really loud match i ever see in Anfield. And with the New kop with big stand all liverpool rival would be Scared come to Anfield. Yeah for sure. The legendary Anfield will be remember forever. The louder stadium in the world Gosh! New kop in 2030 and New Kenny Dalglish stand in 2035 maybe. I hope it.
They need to turn Walton Breck Rd into a tunnel going past Anfield, & that solves a lot of issues. Said tunnel could also house a train station. *Big engineering projects like that happen all the time.
Sounds good to me, if the road has to remain then sounds like the only ways but is possible, like you say we have seen mega projects like this over roads all the time but maybe not as much with football stands in the plans, I would of thought the train station or at least a platform would of been suited just behind Annie road at edge of Stanley park 🤔
Kope can be raised in height while keeping the same footprint in depth. No need to close the road or re route it long term. Will be short term disruption when works are being done. SKD stand is the most problematic, it will go the way of the main stand, awaiting house purchases etc.
Nice Wayne 👍👍. Like ALL Liverpool Fans of course we what the KOP & SKD Stands done now, but oversee that is not possible. But I think within the next 2 to 3 years a New build on the KOP will happen with careful planning and great design. it might be a long way off but time does flying and hopefully in the next 12 to 15 years or less the SKD Stand will be done 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🤔🤔🤔 Us Liverpool 🔴Fans have to BELIEVE 👍👍 YNWA Sparky 🍻🍻
Any rebuild to the Kop would need a whole new roof design and for the roof to be lifted upwards so when you are on back row, you get a brilliant view of rest of stadium. It is like a post box in sections 304 to 306 currently.
Yeah it would deffo be great to open the whole stadium up, only been in 304 a couple of times and certainly don't miss that block, 205 was my block for around 10 seasons
Do we think it’s likely that skd stand will be reduced by 2-3k seats to accommodate leg room, therefore allowing a bigger Kop expansion before the 65k+ seats rule?
80%+ of the 3 rows are rented out. I know some renters and a few owners in the 4th and 5th streets. A good number are owned by LFC. those shoes behind the kop long-term are due to go when Breck Road becomes more pedestrianized. Expanding SKD and making it like the Main stand would add around 40m a year in match day revenue, as you would be adding another 9-11,000 seats, and that's at a 50% hospitality, 50% regular tickets basis. This would take capacity to 71,000-72,000. To meet council needs, LFC would also have to agree with the council to add a train station down the road. It an active frieght line at present It's great that someone actually did a video on this. The Kop can be expanded like a German club did, creating tunnel struts to allow traffic through.
Hi Wayne, I hope that you're well. Thank you for the upload mate. Hmm, expansion of The Kop (and S.K.D., later on). This has been a hot topic for a while, and something I have great visions of what could be achieved in terms of ground capacity. 1. I think, that the way forward with this is to build The Kop and The S.K.D. as one stand, so that there is a rounded corner. I do realise that there are hurdles to overcome with this, but hear me out. I know fans don't want Anfield to become a soulless bowl, they want to keep the four-stand-configuration for atmosphere, and I agree with that. Anfield needs to remain the cauldron that it is atmosphere-wise for the good of the fan experience, and for the success of the club. BUT, think about Borussia Dortmund's stadium, it's corners are elevated from the two adjoining stands, so there would still be the four-stand-configuration. (I think, that this is what they should have planned for The A.R. stand, so that The A.R. stand, The S.K.D., and The Kop were all one continuous stand just with, elevated corners.) So, that being said, The Kop design should allow for an adjoining corner, and S.K.D. to be added later, maybe. 2. Available land, okay it's widely known that Liverpool F.C. own Anfield Square, and they also own the grassed land on the opposite side of Walton Breck Road from the L.F.C. shop. These are prime areas where The Church could be rebuilt (bigger and with better facilities to encourage them to move.) Here's an idea for The Park pub, what if The Park pub was incorporated into The Kop (?) I'm sure that they would appreciate the added business during the match. All stands serve alcohol nowadays. Suppose that it was built into the design of The Kop so that it could be accessed internally of the stand, but that it could also be isolated and available to locals outside of match times/days, two different entrances if you like. 3. Developing The Kop is an excellent opportunity for Liverpool to expand the length of the pitch to bring it into line with regulations for holding international games, and as a nominated stadium for European games in the advanced stages. Considering the income that Liverpool would get from that, and the value that it would add to the stadium, I would guess that this is the reason why F.S.G. have chosen to expand The Kop. F.S.G. do love playing their long-game with their purchases/investments. 4. The design, I've as much idea as you. Absolutely, I would love to see Anfield have a wall of sound, like Dortmund, and Tottenham. So one thing that The Kop can't have if they're going to achieve that, are hospitality-suites. So, being that F.S.G. are who they are, with Corporate Suites/Seating, that's something that would stand in the way of a Wall of Sound. 5. As for effects on the neighbourhood insofar as imagining the design, I see a few options. 1. Bridge over Walton Breck Road such as in the Anfield Phase 3 & 4 RUclips clip (I think it's called). 2. Divert Walton Breck Road around The Kop OR Cul-de-sac it at either side of the ground, and turn another road into the Main Street through the Anfield area (I'll follow on with that in my next point). 3. Tunnel under The Kop, if services such as Gas/electric/water allow for that to be possible. 6. What some of you may have forgotten about, is that F.S.G. entered into an agreement with the L.C.C. as part of the planning permission for the Main Stand expansion, to improve the area in the locality of the ground. F.S.G. plan to replace the terrace town-houses with luxury apartments above shops/business opportunities, to revive the economy of the area. Additionally, F.S.G. were told that to expand the ground past the 61000 already agreed, that F.S.G. had to improve access and egress from the area because Anfield is a bottleneck for traffic, so that means improve the road layout. Also, F.S.G. have been exploring reopening a local line to ferry supporters to and from the ground, remember? Recently, in The Echo, a future tram system was advertised for Liverpool, and two of the suggested stops were Liverpool Airport and...... Anfield Stadium!!!! Are you getting it? This Kop development could be, and I'd even stretch it as saying it probably is, the beginning of a massive revamp of the area, the changes will bring possibly a redesign of the road layout of the area (being as Anfield is a traffic bottleneck). Local train station reopening, a Tram System, could this mean that there will be a public transport hub locally (?) to ferry supporters to and from the stadium, because there have been complaints from residents about access to their properties on match-days for a long time. A change to the quality of housing (remember the F.S.G. computer generated presentation of the low-rise luxury apartments (3 storeys of apartments) above businesses and shops? Being as back gardens will disappear in this proposed town-houses replacement, I would suggest that parkland, recreational areas, schools (maybe), Doctor's surgeries (maybe), shopping areas will be part of that redesign. I think that the future looks very bright for the locality. I do hope that it happens for you.
KDS and the Kop should be built as one connected stand. I have always liked that idea. We might have too play at another stadium for 1 or 2 season. Just like Barcelona this season.
@@kadarabdi9829 Something Liverpool may have to do, I hear Goodison may be available after next season, or they could just throw some coats down for goal-posts in Stanley Park and play there haha. Seriously, you know that row of boarded up houses that Liverpool already own on Walton Breck Road, further along from the S.K.D. end? They may well have been bought for reason of expansion, and maybe these adjoining stands that we agree on.
Great points mate, and at last someone who is looking at how it CAN be done instead of the doomongers (what's init for me) brigade There is only one issue for the Kop expansion and that's the church. Ask nicely and build then a " too good to refuse" Church elsewhere of their choosing (and then keep your fingers crossed. A lesser second issue is getting people to and away from the ground, this CAN be sorted. It just needs ambition (over to FSG)
@@PaulGrayson-gi8pu getting people 'to and from' the stadium could be done by re-designing traffic-light-timings, maybe. What about a fleet of F.S.G. buses to get fans back to their city centre connections? An elevated-monorail (tram) would be a good idea. Having tracks laid into the roads causes congestions and frustration (I know that's what's happened in my city ((Sheffield)). Additionally, the tracks need replacing every couple of years... so an elevated monorail that runs on a concrete slab would have been a lot better for congestion, and for frequency of repairs.) I think the local line that F.S.G. want to see the viability of is on the other side of Stanley Park. Another thing that could benefit from inclusion in The Kop design would be that pie shop on the corner, they would sell thousands, every match-day. Just think if that Pie Shop, had a shop in every stand in the Anfield stadium? Now that would do the local economy loads.
@trigjosh yer I agree, the really big problem is the owners...... Everton with all their problems have actually built a new stadium, man utd are looking to spend a billion, spurs, Aston villa, do we think man city would have taken 3 years to build half a stand at the anny Rd? I fear we won't see the Kop being redeveloped and finished for 5-7 years knowing this lot (if they do it at all)
The bottom half can be built be built higher and then can be built outwards were it jettisons, could over hang the road possibly not a structural engineer but just a thought?
Common sense dictates that further expansion of the stadium will eventually be necessary, if it is not possible then remaining at Anfield was a huge mistake, one which no owners would contemplate. The Kop should be next for redevelopment whilst the club continues to purchase the properties required to allow for the SKD demolition and rebuild.
The perfect way they should of done it instead of buying out all the houses and streets. Played at Anfield and built the new stadium on Stanley park the Kop directly behind Anfield Road Stadium and the main stadium on Arkles Road. Then knock down the old stadium keeping some of the stadium standing like the coaches boxes and goals and kop for heritage purposes, food stalls and LFC shop and turned it into a gathering area for supporters before kickoff. You got to buy out 3 rows of houses to expand SKD stand and buy off the road behind the kop and church to expand that also, waste of money and we still don’t have a stadium as big as MU or Arsenal.
we have times that almost everythink is possible its not 1960 anymore the money and determination gonna make further expansion happen but the real deal is it all needs TIME... and GOD knows how much time it needs.... i hope its not gonna be like 8 years... maybe like 3/4 years we gonna see some designs etc and in like maybe 5 years the expansion can start.... lets wait and see..
I'm wondering if they could build a tunnel where the main road currently is. Realistically it could be 5 years or more before the kop is expanded. It's nice to see things slowly happening though
With today engineering I think that the road behind the Kop Can Be move. The only business are the Pie shop and the Church So the only problem there would be the church. Also i think that if they can sorted the problem of the road behind the kop and come to a agreement with the residence Parking I Believe that it be two years when they start on the new Spion kop
Hi GB,great vid as usual,nice to see at least one of you sticking around till the end,when ever that may be.If they do decide to go ahead with the kop/Sir Kenny stand I think they'd have to redirect the rd first otherwise it would cause havoc around Anfield,so I think it will be a few years down the line and a lot of planning to do it right.YNWA
Thank you so much, I'm certainly in it till the end and I'm doing a follow on vid about this expansion soon focusing on the transport network as this will have to be priority before any big expansion, YnWa mate 👍
I see the main issue being you cant see much close play action beyond the halfway line at the rear of the kop lvl 300. you'd have to make it much much steeper and a total and radical entire rebuild would be needed for that. I don't think its ever going to happen. revenue wise the increase would also be low as beyond level 300 would be a seriously restricted view.
If any expansion involves a regeneration of the area in conjuction with LCC , then any refusal to sell will result in a 'compulsory purchase order' , they did that to one of my families houses years ago, paid them peanuts !
the trick was missed when building the main stand, it should have been built 20 yards further back from the pitch, then the Kop could have been extended by moving 20 yards across the pitch towards the new main stand since the road isn't a problem at that side of the Kop (knocked down the super store incorporate the pub under the stand). The Annie road stand was being rebuilt so likewise. An additional 20 yards means that the SKD could be moved forwards 20 yards and effectively "back" 20 yards and not encroach on the Skerries Road houses by retaining its present boundary. By doing this the corners could have been filled in to look great and not such random clusterf*** like today. The result would be a 75,000 seater Anfield - yes one stand at a time out of action per season, but after 3 seasons, job done and 75,000 super Anfield.
It will happen but not sure when. The club can't have a situation were The Kop is the smallest structure, in terms of height. It might have to be double decker or split level.
I really hope they consider how to tackle the extra fans at the end of matches. I'm still able to whiz back to a car park space about a mile and a half away from the ground but there are thousands extra fans streaming into the nearby streets. I'm not saying build a tram because that infrastructure is crazy but what would be really easy to achieve is a multi layer electric bus/tram route that underneath the expanded Kop area would give people an initial getaway straight down Walton Breck the way people walk and then at least there is order for fans queuing other than the buses. You can't expect LCC to allow expanding any further until the club has a solution for improving the infrastructure. It's not just transport, it's water. Anyone my age will well remember the Kop Sewer collapse. They have to ensure they consider infrastructure and I'm pretty sure the council will be working with them on that. If it's to get a further 1-2k fans in the Kop end they wouldn't do it. If it's to create another area for fans to arrive and maximise the tourism with cafes and bars underneath the expanded stand - then they know they'll get a return. I just hope they provide community rooms and give first choice for local businesses so they benefit from the increase footfall. Unfortunately, for me selfishly, it slowly removes the pint and into the Kop routine I've always had. But I'm a minority in their fan profile now as they want people to spend money in the ground. Great topic and it's all in the distance as you quite rightly mention.
Transport would have to be included with any future large expansions as it would take us over that certain capacity which then would have to have a train link. Will be very costly for sure
Three thoughts: One: what's possible in terms of pure engineering when it comes to just building the Kop seating and roof back from its current footprint? To what extent can such a structure be supported by things like strong foundations and struts etc? ie, does any building even NEED to be done in terms of extending the footprint? Two: The present stand isn't adjacent to the road. Why not build back so that the entire stand is adjacent, and therefore no longer symmetrical? You could raise the roof and put additional rows where possible (ie more and more as you go towards the Main Stand). That's actually quite a big area. Probably enough for 4-5k more seats (a total rebuild would probably only yield about 8k anyway - much more isn't really feasible for an end stand. For those worried about aesthetics: the roof can be made low enough (as it is right now) that the asymmetry is never actually seen from inside the ground. Three: what's the deal with planning? The issue with going above ~60k was always traffic/transport - is there any fundamental change in that area? Or is this all just wishful thinking?
Kop needs to Mirror Anfield road and SKD stand mirror the main stand so it has some kind of modern symmetry and not look like Frankenstein’s laboratory with 4 mismatched stands.
Kop needs to be one tier stand or it's not a kop so can't mirror anfield road. Just needs to be built steaper if possible or extended further back if possible when time is right which could be years
@@keybenson wait they're that road is a main road for buses schools business's and general traffic between the north and south end if the city . Which is more important than Liverpool football club.
I guess a Kop expansion will not possibly happen until the 2030's and the Sir Kenny Stand pribably by the 2040's.Either way plans and current thinking will probably alter several times over the next few years.id love the Kop to gow in size so it holds and replicates the yellow wall in Dortmund.i gess that would have to see it become steeper, taller and deeper in its depthThe new Kop needs to be capable of holding at least 20,000 seats so we need to add a further 8 000 to its current capacity.i guessxthis woukd need the shops, church,pubs and even the store shop needing to be demolished , which is the easy part to a Kop expansion, more difficult is the Walton Breck Road , can it be rerouted, woukd LCC allow this peesonally i dont think this should be a issue or problem and woukd be cheaper than tunnelling the road.If the reduction of the capaciry of the Sir Lenny is reduced over the next couple of years to facilitate extra leg room in the lower sir kenny and more modinised larger concurse favilities then this probably woukd reduce the cspscity of that stand by a couple of thousand seats and Anfield current capacity woukd drop to about 59,000 in that case the Kop simply has to be extended by 7,000 to 8,000 extra seats ad Anfield and LFC need a ground that can hold at least 66,000 as a bare minimum and i think the club can have a ground of that capacityvsize and fall within the current LCC guidlines re planning permission without having to upgrade the road network, transportation needsv( rail or trams) and increased and improved car parking facilities.If this can be acheived in the next 7 to 8 years then the club can finally look at the expansion of the Sir Kenny Stand so it replicates the size and capacity of the Main Stand as a mirror image and in turn add a further 9,000 seats to the ground capacity taking it to 75,000 which is the uze of a ground Liverpool should be operating with and could easily sell out with still a long and sizable season ticket wauting list.If this is to happen and be a project for the late 2030's or 2040's then hopefully by that time Anfield will have seen th neccessary redevelopment of the srea with better road and rail links etc and the houses in Skerries Road will all be under the ownership of Liverpool FC who could then generously move residents into other properties in the local area and demolish the houses in Skerries Road so allowing for the expansion of the Sir Kenny stand so it does hold and mirror the Main Stand andthe ground csn be symetrically a lot more pleasing on the eye with all 4 stands bevof a similar size. Lots to do and plan and we may have new owners and this take a further 25 to 20 years to do and complete but these plans should be part of the clubs log term ambitions and sitting with LCC so that it can form part of the council long term regeneration plan for the Anfield residential and commercial district
Don't Liverpool still own the land where the hotel was going to be built? Liverpool could easily build new premises for those businesses over there. Maybe the road could go down, ie motorway underpass sections joined together.
Why would they need those houses to make the Kopp bigger they have all ready said if they did the Kopp it would just be a second tear above the old one just like the Anfeild road
Because them houses are behind SKD stand which needs expanding aswell 👍it's going to be a long process so good to see the club actually planning ahead even if nothing is done anytime soon
As a mate pointed out to me the other day, isn't the thing stopping any further expansion the transport links and not buying up the houses? Don't they need to have trams or rail links in place to get any further planning permission for expansion?
They will have to be a rail link for certain if any big expansion takes place, over 65 thousand I think is the number but if LFC are quietly buying houses I'm guessing they would of asked questions about the rail link also, either ways it going to be costly, be a lot of talking with LCC and the Anfield community if and when time is right, probably be a lot of terms and conditions in place but it's going to be years down the line I feel even if houses are getting brought when vacated
If they're buying all that property, then why not relocate the road to run along where the property was, and extended the kop's footprint to cover where the road is now? Just move the road 50 or so feet away?
Has been talk but it would have to happen if any other large expansion happens, probably would need planning first before the expansion if ever happens
Is looking that way but I'm glad we stayed with the history of this amazing club. Problems can be overcome and still keep the great history where it originated
@@greybeardmedia-merseysidebey I’m sort of glad we stayed but clubs could be by passing us, we couldn’t have built a 70,000 plus stadium with a retracting roof, no new pitches yearly etc. Liverpool FC missed a massive trick imo.
Liverpool arena definitely need and upgrade. It looks like a dump yard. Soon Everton will have an arena that will shine over the dump yard that Liverpool has. You will look like a second hand club.
The infrastructure around anfield is terrible. The transport links to and from the ground from the city on match days is awful. You wait ages for a bus and hope you get on or you spend an hour walking to town. Needs an anfield train/tram line and a more direct route to town. I believe this is a bit part of what is stopping further expansion of the kop.
The transport link will certainly have to be priority if any further expansion happen even though none are planned but still houses are getting brought out so I'm guessing it will be years maybe decades if kop is done next
With Man United looking at the possibility of building a 100,000 seater stadium and Man City investing £300 million to increase capacity of the Etihad to over 60,000 with fan zone and a 400 bed hotel, Newcastle are moving ahead with expanding St James' park to over 60,000, they are expanding the Gallowgate stand over the road that runs behind the stand. Liverpool need to be putting plans in place to expand the Kop otherwise we will fall behind both the Manchester clubs and Newcastle United.
Liverpool can not be extended past 63,000 unless they get better transport links.That's why Tottenham capacity is 62,850 because of poor transport links.
Sorry that video so depressing … rebuild in decades … I’d start tomorrow … we need to be more positive … watched a video yesterday … on European and World stadiums … we are struggling … Barcelona apparently have no money but are rebuilding a monster … never thought I’d say it … but maybe we should have moved ………….
But why would the club be buying houses on Skerries for any Kop expansion? They won't come into play for that. Also. Homebaked own those tinned up houses at the junction of Walton Breck Road/Oakfield Road featured in your video! And they have serious plans to redevelop them themselves as family homes. These are the houses that need to be purchased (and knocked down) for the road (WBR) behind the Kop to be totally moved back for any Kop expansion. 🤔🧐
Buying houses on skerries road would be for skd expansion when ever that would be. Just a long process but club prefer the kop to be expanded first. Buying out house on skerries road and neighbouring streets at this rate will take years, decades like I said so why not start now at the same time preparing for a possible Kop Expansion
@greybeardmedia-merseysidebey yeah I see what you mean now. Hopefully the owners are future proofing the immediate areas for both stands to be eventually done. 👍
You mentioned your difficulty in obtaining tickets for games. I haven't been to a game since Roger's was manager. Can't get a ticket. I was born in Anfield and have lived in Liverpool all my life. My grandparents used to lodge players in their house in Harrow Rd back in the 60s. Unfortunately the club has been taken away from us as local people. We don't spend hundreds of pounds in the club shop before games and refuse to pay inflated prices for tickets. The fact is we're not wanted, as the club can bring in more revenue with the foreign fans. The game is all about money now. Sad but true.
The Kop needs a complete rebuild.
Thanks for that. We do need that Kop to be bigger...
Whatever design they finally go with for the Kop, they should make it all standing
The Kop and the SKD were always going to be redeveloped. Its just a matter of time. Everyone said the Main Stand couldn't be done, thwn we did it. Then we were told the ARE couldn't be done, then we did that too.
Times change. Obstacles can and will be overcome. Looking at the surrounding areas, the Kop is clearly the next logical redevelopment step. It would be fantastic to make it the biggest rail-seated end in world football.
We thankfully committed to staying at our world famous home, so it deserves nothing less than continual improvement.
The problem is -- and always has been -- that you get one muppet who thinks they can make a fortune by refusing to sell until the very last minute (even though they don't want to live there) and will hold the club to ransom. The more fans publicise this "Isle of Man" scheme, the more zeros that are added on to the sale price of the last house.
Very good point, however you only pay what the value of the property is. After all everything will be given a value after the properties are surveyed. Once there is a value, then maybe add another 50k or buy the current owners a bigger 3 or 4 bed house, down the road and refurbish the property. Personally I think the club should double the value of the current properties and watch them fly out of the oven like hot cakes.
Maybe you should leave people alone. If they dont want to sell
It’s the “Isle of Wight” NOT the Isle of Man 🇮🇲
If someone doesn’t want to move then that’s fine. I’m a red and we can always obtain a compulsory order for the properties that are required. It’s not an issue, they’re buying the properties for redevelopment of the Kop. Skerries road will take care of itself. Kop in 2026/7 SKD 2030.
Sorry, but if you knew you were going to be haggled on the price of your house you'd do the same thing when you know the buyer has bags of dough and desperately want to buy you out. Id do the same
The Kop needs to be taller and steeper….it just needs to be more imposing to opposition players…..
I've heard this before, and I understand, (the diagonal line of a triangle is longer than the base), but I don't think that it will work. Here's why, for a spectator sat in a stand to be comfortable there has to be (for argument's sake) 1m per tier, space from the back of the bum (when seated) to the tips of the toes, Okay? There is a limited number of multiples of that 1m between pitch-side and Walton Breck Road. Now think in ratio, 1 lego brick per 1m. So say 1st tier is 1 lego brick in height, 2nd tier is 2 lego bricks in height, that's 2 lego bricks in depth, right? Say the 1st tier is 1 lego brick, and the 2nd tier is 3 lego bricks (so the rake of the stand is steeper), the depth is still 2 lego bricks, whether the 2nd tier is 2 or 3 lego bricks tall. So there are only a limited number of lego bricks (tiers) between pitch-side and Walton Breck Road, so THAT determines how many tiers there can be. So the base of the stand determines it's height, steepness has nothing to do with it. But that means, that the Church, The Park pub, and Walton Breck Rd are as good as gone should this development go ahead... which it looks like it will.
@@trigjoshmaybe overlapping tiers then?
Overlapping tiers is a good idea, I've thought of that also. But having looked at American Football stadiums which employ such designs, we would only be talking 1 or 2 rows of seating, so I don't think that it would be cost-effective, or improve capacity to a degree which we desire.
Taking everything into account which has been discussed in these RUclips comments, there's going to have to be some major redesigning of road systems and replacement luxury apartments built for the demolished housing, before any Kop /S.K.D. stand construction can take place. Both stands need to be completely replaced. Cramped seating in S.K.D. means the whole stand needs to be replaced, not just a build-over process from the back like The Main Stand and Anfield Road were constructed.
Like the Yellow wall at Dortmund - agree 101% with You mate
But it has to be dark and moody
Great work... Agree we shouldn't pressure families to leave but we could pay significantly over the value to encourage them..... Or pay a figure and also buy them an alternative house to help move them quicker. At the end of the day a huge Kop would cover this extra outlay.
With the Kop End being preferred choice it gives LFC more time to tread carefully with the homes and streets behind SKD stand, this will be a talking point for years to come I feel
@@greybeardmedia-merseysidebey A club as large as LFC with global recognition should be able to build a 70-80k seat stadium. A club that large *should also be able to restructure the town around it.
Should just get rid of them
With the spare land available not directly within the footprint of an expanded Kop, then relocating the business, homes and church seems relatively easy. The road could be then diverted like Anfield Road and the Kop extended in one large tier backwards.
You Liverpool lads need 80:000 to 100:000 all seated stadium for going into the future hopefully us Celtic we get ours shortly think the are looking into it two big matches that hopefully it works out 🇳🇬🇳🇬🇳🇬✊✊
Why not build new houses on that field to the left of the top,and move them families in them houses behind the KDS ,and extend that.
Offer to buy the houses off them, then move them into the new houses mentioned by Courtneywizviz.
because most people in houses don' t want to move. Especially if they own it. It could have memories that mean you have to way over pay to get them out making paying everyone infeasible. if you spent your life to buy a place and somebody just wants to come an level your memories you might not be amenable.
In my opinion, to compete with Europe's elite, Anfield certainly needs extending further.
Domestically both City, Chelsea and United are looking at further expansion.
Our waiting list is already expanding.
Problems could be logistic and lets not ignore the local residents.
For me, 70k - 75k would be ideal
Newcastle are expanding St James Park to 78000
The waiting list has been closed for several years now. You can’t get anywhere near it..
But I agree we could easily fill a ground close to 100k
@@DanielCordone9they obviously are expecting to become big worldwide cause let’s be honest, they’re not that big outside of Newcastle.
It would be a mammoth undertaking, because they have to re-do the road as well
Rebuilding the Kop is not feasible unless you want to put corporate seating in there… which is obviously not going to happen.
The only other stand that can be expanded is the Kenny.
For me the key thing is there needs parking! With the extended capacity it’s already a night mare
I still remember those two old Dears in the street from the old
Kemlyn Road who refused to move. I think we waited until one passed away.
If they can re-route the traffic, they could do ‘something’ I’ve just watched The Overlap, with Rafa on and he makes that problem LFC have had for 35 years…Man Utd get 75,000 per home game…we are catching up, but from 89 we were 44,000…add that fan money up from then to now, we could have built a new Stadium…
I was always up for that idea of Both LFC/EFC building a San Siro with 100k attendance. The thousands of fans who used to wake up on a Saturday and decide to go the match!
The clubs were up for it, but fanbase’s rubbished it!
One thing I would say, it would have to be like the Main Stand, it wouldn’t be right if they two tiered it…
I’ve been saying it for years…the money we’ve lost must be Billions next to Man U…
I think the intention had always been to upgrade all 4 stands.
Now, with 2 of the 4 stands having had their upgrade completed its really just a question of do they do stages 3 & 4 together in order to get it all done or do they simply continue to do a stand at a time.
And, there's something saying to me at the back of my mind that especially given the fact that while redeveloping each of the two stands already done both construction companies Carillion and The Buckingham Group went into administration.
So, I think it's better to just err on the side of caution given the current financial climate.
If the Kop becomes a matter of when than if, do we adjoin it with the main stand or do we leave it as free standing?
In the meantime we should do what United did and also connect the main stand and anfield road together. 5k, maybe even 10k people could slot in
Could imagine something like a indoor ski center jutting out over the road possibly but would need some engineering
I would love to see the KOP rebuilt in exact the same way and size as the Annie Road end, would create more spaces and also symmetry and general lift to the hotch-potch of lopsided stands. BUT as stated before somethin needs to be done about the traffic situation in L4 on match days. There needs to be a train/underground station or two nearby, also rerouting the Walton Breck Road behind the Kop End - can it be done, would be a great and needed lift for the entire L4-area.
it's amazing to think that a building that will house 60-70 thousand people in and around it on matchdays is allowed amongst the houses.. we're lucky the fans nowadays aren't like those in the 80s but who knows what will happen in the future.. it is a big risk to try to contain that many fans if things break out..
The church, pubs and business could all be rebuilt in a modern fashion on the land to the left of the Kop as you look at it. Almost like an Anfield biz park.
Deffo all could be, enough land there 👍
Great work GB lad. Makes 100% sense to upgrade both stands, but the Kop is the easiest to complete in my opinion. It might cost north of 100 mill, maybe even 200 mill. We all know the valus of the club will most likely increase by 500 mill, so makes financial sense to the money men at the club. Let the planning committee start to plan, and add another 5000 seats.
Adding 5000 seats for 100m doesn’t make any sense lol. It has to be at least 9000 seats. Kop should be the biggest single tier stand in England.
With a bit of creativity the road is an easy fix. It can be excavated and lowered then covered up with pre-fabricated panels to save downtime. That will leave so much ground level space to expand the cop. Its been done in several countries so I don't see why not
Where can they expand ?
Council parkland on one side..
Streets of terraced houses..privately owned on the other...the economic logistics would be a nightmare...should have relocated like Everton and built from scratch...as Man Utd are going to do...albeit alongside their current stadium...
The church will move to where the houses are, the road can be tunneled it's a straight road.
Looking at the vacant land opposite the club shop, & up to the terraced houses where home baked is. It looks like they are planning to divert Walton Breck Road. So from where the vacant land that starts at Burleigh Road South to the vacant houses at home baked, looks possible they diverting like they did with Annie Road stand. Just would need to obtain the church or move the church. Obviously once the road is moved or plans in place for that they possibly works are begin to remove & rebuild the Kop
Well done GB you make a lot of opinions on your video thanks for update anfield with you and kc we are coming more pupolar and more well done keep your good work YNWA .
Thank You So Much - YnWa
Thanks for posting this GB, just had a look at google maps @ road A5089 Oakfield Road, @ your time stamp 9.58 you have an overhead shot of A5089, my hunch on the distance the houses that are boarded up and the land available further up A5089, LFC ******* may ******* have achieved an alteration in the road, nothing major ! just ease the road over to where the houses are, then the new road would run parallel with the old one, hence allowing depth for the new Kop stand, Yep "controversial " with the church, a relocation package with enormity would be provided, just my thoughts !
I think you are right, easiest way is to just tweak the road over and rebuild the church as close as possible to the Community. what about the pub though as I thought the owners got it grade listed, maybe they can lift the build up and move it forward
@@ecohipster7724 Some listed buildings can be demolished, or heavily altered, depending on circumstances, English Heritage is the place to find out about that, how old it is, history, many things make up a grade ! Without researching I wouldn’t guess, but I think it will all go eventually, massive relocation package!!!!!!!!
@@markbusby9709 I believe they got it listed as local historical significance being in front of the kop from the early days of the stadium but im not 100% on it
You hit the nail on the head
Well Done!
@@ecohipster7724 I've been onto the historic England website and the pub is not a listed building!!! So no problems there at all!
No matter what, it has to stay single tier.
Great vid la Exited for what’s to come YNWA. ❤
Thank You - YnWa
The MCG in Melbourne is a great example of a stadium above a road
That’s where 100,000 people once sung “walk on”.
Biggest crowd ever to sing it
Just like i said we could have new expansion stand in 2-3 years later.
And in 2030 we already have a new kop stand.
Imagine that make me scary,
How we beat Barcelona last time.
With only 54k capacity Anfield.
That's really loud match i ever see in Anfield.
And with the New kop with big stand all liverpool rival would be Scared come to Anfield.
Yeah for sure.
The legendary Anfield will be remember forever.
The louder stadium in the world
Gosh!
New kop in 2030 and New Kenny Dalglish stand in 2035 maybe.
I hope it.
They need to turn Walton Breck Rd into a tunnel going past Anfield, & that solves a lot of issues. Said tunnel could also house a train station. *Big engineering projects like that happen all the time.
Sounds good to me, if the road has to remain then sounds like the only ways but is possible, like you say we have seen mega projects like this over roads all the time but maybe not as much with football stands in the plans, I would of thought the train station or at least a platform would of been suited just behind Annie road at edge of Stanley park 🤔
Kope can be raised in height while keeping the same footprint in depth. No need to close the road or re route it long term. Will be short term disruption when works are being done.
SKD stand is the most problematic, it will go the way of the main stand, awaiting house purchases etc.
Nice Wayne 👍👍. Like ALL Liverpool Fans of course we what the KOP & SKD Stands done now, but oversee that is not possible. But I think within the next 2 to 3 years a New build on the KOP will happen with careful planning and great design. it might be a long way off but time does flying and hopefully in the next 12 to 15 years or less the SKD Stand will be done 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🤔🤔🤔
Us Liverpool 🔴Fans have to BELIEVE 👍👍
YNWA Sparky 🍻🍻
Thank you so much mate, hopefully we see something happen not to long in the future, so many road blocks that I hope will be over come, YnWa mate 👍
Any rebuild to the Kop would need a whole new roof design and for the roof to be lifted upwards so when you are on back row, you get a brilliant view of rest of stadium. It is like a post box in sections 304 to 306 currently.
Yeah it would deffo be great to open the whole stadium up, only been in 304 a couple of times and certainly don't miss that block, 205 was my block for around 10 seasons
Do we think it’s likely that skd stand will be reduced by 2-3k seats to accommodate leg room, therefore allowing a bigger Kop expansion before the 65k+ seats rule?
80%+ of the 3 rows are rented out. I know some renters and a few owners in the 4th and 5th streets. A good number are owned by LFC.
those shoes behind the kop long-term are due to go when Breck Road becomes more pedestrianized.
Expanding SKD and making it like the Main stand would add around 40m a year in match day revenue, as you would be adding another 9-11,000 seats, and that's at a 50% hospitality, 50% regular tickets basis. This would take capacity to 71,000-72,000.
To meet council needs, LFC would also have to agree with the council to add a train station down the road. It an active frieght line at present
It's great that someone actually did a video on this. The Kop can be expanded like a German club did, creating tunnel struts to allow traffic through.
Hi Wayne, I hope that you're well. Thank you for the upload mate. Hmm, expansion of The Kop (and S.K.D., later on). This has been a hot topic for a while, and something I have great visions of what could be achieved in terms of ground capacity.
1. I think, that the way forward with this is to build The Kop and The S.K.D. as one stand, so that there is a rounded corner. I do realise that there are hurdles to overcome with this, but hear me out. I know fans don't want Anfield to become a soulless bowl, they want to keep the four-stand-configuration for atmosphere, and I agree with that. Anfield needs to remain the cauldron that it is atmosphere-wise for the good of the fan experience, and for the success of the club. BUT, think about Borussia Dortmund's stadium, it's corners are elevated from the two adjoining stands, so there would still be the four-stand-configuration. (I think, that this is what they should have planned for The A.R. stand, so that The A.R. stand, The S.K.D., and The Kop were all one continuous stand just with, elevated corners.) So, that being said, The Kop design should allow for an adjoining corner, and S.K.D. to be added later, maybe.
2. Available land, okay it's widely known that Liverpool F.C. own Anfield Square, and they also own the grassed land on the opposite side of Walton Breck Road from the L.F.C. shop. These are prime areas where The Church could be rebuilt (bigger and with better facilities to encourage them to move.) Here's an idea for The Park pub, what if The Park pub was incorporated into The Kop (?) I'm sure that they would appreciate the added business during the match. All stands serve alcohol nowadays. Suppose that it was built into the design of The Kop so that it could be accessed internally of the stand, but that it could also be isolated and available to locals outside of match times/days, two different entrances if you like.
3. Developing The Kop is an excellent opportunity for Liverpool to expand the length of the pitch to bring it into line with regulations for holding international games, and as a nominated stadium for European games in the advanced stages. Considering the income that Liverpool would get from that, and the value that it would add to the stadium, I would guess that this is the reason why F.S.G. have chosen to expand The Kop. F.S.G. do love playing their long-game with their purchases/investments.
4. The design, I've as much idea as you. Absolutely, I would love to see Anfield have a wall of sound, like Dortmund, and Tottenham. So one thing that The Kop can't have if they're going to achieve that, are hospitality-suites. So, being that F.S.G. are who they are, with Corporate Suites/Seating, that's something that would stand in the way of a Wall of Sound.
5. As for effects on the neighbourhood insofar as imagining the design, I see a few options. 1. Bridge over Walton Breck Road such as in the Anfield Phase 3 & 4 RUclips clip (I think it's called). 2. Divert Walton Breck Road around The Kop OR Cul-de-sac it at either side of the ground, and turn another road into the Main Street through the Anfield area (I'll follow on with that in my next point). 3. Tunnel under The Kop, if services such as Gas/electric/water allow for that to be possible.
6. What some of you may have forgotten about, is that F.S.G. entered into an agreement with the L.C.C. as part of the planning permission for the Main Stand expansion, to improve the area in the locality of the ground. F.S.G. plan to replace the terrace town-houses with luxury apartments above shops/business opportunities, to revive the economy of the area. Additionally, F.S.G. were told that to expand the ground past the 61000 already agreed, that F.S.G. had to improve access and egress from the area because Anfield is a bottleneck for traffic, so that means improve the road layout. Also, F.S.G. have been exploring reopening a local line to ferry supporters to and from the ground, remember? Recently, in The Echo, a future tram system was advertised for Liverpool, and two of the suggested stops were Liverpool Airport and...... Anfield Stadium!!!!
Are you getting it? This Kop development could be, and I'd even stretch it as saying it probably is, the beginning of a massive revamp of the area, the changes will bring possibly a redesign of the road layout of the area (being as Anfield is a traffic bottleneck). Local train station reopening, a Tram System, could this mean that there will be a public transport hub locally (?) to ferry supporters to and from the stadium, because there have been complaints from residents about access to their properties on match-days for a long time. A change to the quality of housing (remember the F.S.G. computer generated presentation of the low-rise luxury apartments (3 storeys of apartments) above businesses and shops? Being as back gardens will disappear in this proposed town-houses replacement, I would suggest that parkland, recreational areas, schools (maybe), Doctor's surgeries (maybe), shopping areas will be part of that redesign. I think that the future looks very bright for the locality. I do hope that it happens for you.
KDS and the Kop should be built as one connected stand. I have always liked that idea. We might have too play at another stadium for 1 or 2 season. Just like Barcelona this season.
@@kadarabdi9829 Something Liverpool may have to do, I hear Goodison may be available after next season, or they could just throw some coats down for goal-posts in Stanley Park and play there haha. Seriously, you know that row of boarded up houses that Liverpool already own on Walton Breck Road, further along from the S.K.D. end? They may well have been bought for reason of expansion, and maybe these adjoining stands that we agree on.
Great points mate, and at last someone who is looking at how it CAN be done instead of the doomongers (what's init for me) brigade
There is only one issue for the Kop expansion and that's the church. Ask nicely and build then a " too good to refuse" Church elsewhere of their choosing (and then keep your fingers crossed.
A lesser second issue is getting people to and away from the ground, this CAN be sorted.
It just needs ambition (over to FSG)
@@PaulGrayson-gi8pu getting people 'to and from' the stadium could be done by re-designing traffic-light-timings, maybe. What about a fleet of F.S.G. buses to get fans back to their city centre connections? An elevated-monorail (tram) would be a good idea. Having tracks laid into the roads causes congestions and frustration (I know that's what's happened in my city ((Sheffield)). Additionally, the tracks need replacing every couple of years... so an elevated monorail that runs on a concrete slab would have been a lot better for congestion, and for frequency of repairs.) I think the local line that F.S.G. want to see the viability of is on the other side of Stanley Park. Another thing that could benefit from inclusion in The Kop design would be that pie shop on the corner, they would sell thousands, every match-day. Just think if that Pie Shop, had a shop in every stand in the Anfield stadium? Now that would do the local economy loads.
@trigjosh yer I agree, the really big problem is the owners...... Everton with all their problems have actually built a new stadium, man utd are looking to spend a billion, spurs, Aston villa, do we think man city would have taken 3 years to build half a stand at the anny Rd?
I fear we won't see the Kop being redeveloped and finished for 5-7 years knowing this lot (if they do it at all)
Build the Kopp over the road. Same as Aston villa have done
Thank you mate . Great update . Stay safe 🙏 YNWA
Thank You So Much -YnWa
Could use the villa stand which is built over the road as like a blue print
How about a third tier on the K D stand ?
The bottom half can be built be built higher and then can be built outwards were it jettisons, could over hang the road possibly not a structural engineer but just a thought?
Common sense dictates that further expansion of the stadium will eventually be necessary, if it is not possible then remaining at Anfield was a huge mistake, one which no owners would contemplate.
The Kop should be next for redevelopment whilst the club continues to purchase the properties required to allow for the SKD demolition and rebuild.
Look at the stand behind the goal at Villa Park.
Apply to the Kop.
Sorted.
The perfect way they should of done it instead of buying out all the houses and streets. Played at Anfield and built the new stadium on Stanley park the Kop directly behind Anfield Road Stadium and the main stadium on Arkles Road. Then knock down the old stadium keeping some of the stadium standing like the coaches boxes and goals and kop for heritage purposes, food stalls and LFC shop and turned it into a gathering area for supporters before kickoff.
You got to buy out 3 rows of houses to expand SKD stand and buy off the road behind the kop and church to expand that also, waste of money and we still don’t have a stadium as big as MU or Arsenal.
we have times that almost everythink is possible its not 1960 anymore the money and determination gonna make further expansion happen but the real deal is it all needs TIME... and GOD knows how much time it needs.... i hope its not gonna be like 8 years... maybe like 3/4 years we gonna see some designs etc and in like maybe 5 years the expansion can start.... lets wait and see..
I'm wondering if they could build a tunnel where the main road currently is. Realistically it could be 5 years or more before the kop is expanded. It's nice to see things slowly happening though
great video - cheers mate
Your welcome mate 👍
With today engineering I think that the road behind the Kop Can Be move. The only business are the Pie shop and the Church So the only problem there would be the church. Also i think that if they can sorted the problem of the road behind the kop and come to a agreement with the residence Parking
I Believe that it be two years when they start on the new Spion kop
Hi GB,great vid as usual,nice to see at least one of you sticking around till the end,when ever that may be.If they do decide to go ahead with the kop/Sir Kenny stand I think they'd have to redirect the rd first otherwise it would cause havoc around Anfield,so I think it will be a few years down the line and a lot of planning to do it right.YNWA
Thank you so much, I'm certainly in it till the end and I'm doing a follow on vid about this expansion soon focusing on the transport network as this will have to be priority before any big expansion, YnWa mate 👍
@@greybeardmedia-merseysidebey look forward to watching that one,cheers Wayne.YNWA
I see the main issue being you cant see much close play action beyond the halfway line at the rear of the kop lvl 300. you'd have to make it much much steeper and a total and radical entire rebuild would be needed for that. I don't think its ever going to happen. revenue wise the increase would also be low as beyond level 300 would be a seriously restricted view.
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If any expansion involves a regeneration of the area in conjuction with LCC , then any refusal to sell will result in a 'compulsory purchase order' , they did that to one of my families houses years ago, paid them peanuts !
Wish it was how it was in the 70s. Nothing wrong with how it was
The road is the problem. Double tier, but then it is not a kop.
the trick was missed when building the main stand, it should have been built 20 yards further back from the pitch, then the Kop could have been extended by moving 20 yards across the pitch towards the new main stand since the road isn't a problem at that side of the Kop (knocked down the super store incorporate the pub under the stand). The Annie road stand was being rebuilt so likewise. An additional 20 yards means that the SKD could be moved forwards 20 yards and effectively "back" 20 yards and not encroach on the Skerries Road houses by retaining its present boundary. By doing this the corners could have been filled in to look great and not such random clusterf*** like today. The result would be a 75,000 seater Anfield - yes one stand at a time out of action per season, but after 3 seasons, job done and 75,000 super Anfield.
Are they still planning to build a hotel on the land adjacent to the main stand further down Walton Breck Road?
Not sure what happened with that as was meant to be a hotel built
It will happen but not sure when. The club can't have a situation were The Kop is the smallest structure, in terms of height. It might have to be double decker or split level.
That Albert Pub will need flattening
Just a thought how about building nice houses on that waste land and transfer the people over to there if the people would agree to that
I really hope they consider how to tackle the extra fans at the end of matches. I'm still able to whiz back to a car park space about a mile and a half away from the ground but there are thousands extra fans streaming into the nearby streets. I'm not saying build a tram because that infrastructure is crazy but what would be really easy to achieve is a multi layer electric bus/tram route that underneath the expanded Kop area would give people an initial getaway straight down Walton Breck the way people walk and then at least there is order for fans queuing other than the buses.
You can't expect LCC to allow expanding any further until the club has a solution for improving the infrastructure.
It's not just transport, it's water. Anyone my age will well remember the Kop Sewer collapse. They have to ensure they consider infrastructure and I'm pretty sure the council will be working with them on that. If it's to get a further 1-2k fans in the Kop end they wouldn't do it. If it's to create another area for fans to arrive and maximise the tourism with cafes and bars underneath the expanded stand - then they know they'll get a return. I just hope they provide community rooms and give first choice for local businesses so they benefit from the increase footfall. Unfortunately, for me selfishly, it slowly removes the pint and into the Kop routine I've always had. But I'm a minority in their fan profile now as they want people to spend money in the ground.
Great topic and it's all in the distance as you quite rightly mention.
Transport would have to be included with any future large expansions as it would take us over that certain capacity which then would have to have a train link. Will be very costly for sure
Three thoughts:
One: what's possible in terms of pure engineering when it comes to just building the Kop seating and roof back from its current footprint? To what extent can such a structure be supported by things like strong foundations and struts etc? ie, does any building even NEED to be done in terms of extending the footprint?
Two: The present stand isn't adjacent to the road. Why not build back so that the entire stand is adjacent, and therefore no longer symmetrical? You could raise the roof and put additional rows where possible (ie more and more as you go towards the Main Stand). That's actually quite a big area. Probably enough for 4-5k more seats (a total rebuild would probably only yield about 8k anyway - much more isn't really feasible for an end stand. For those worried about aesthetics: the roof can be made low enough (as it is right now) that the asymmetry is never actually seen from inside the ground.
Three: what's the deal with planning? The issue with going above ~60k was always traffic/transport - is there any fundamental change in that area? Or is this all just wishful thinking?
So if it's gonna take years , i assume the current owners of LFC will be long gone ... so in reality this idea is a dead duck ..........
It will be very hard for the kop to be expanded with the road church and shops
Church is not a historical building and can be easily moved and they have indicated they would do so I believe.
The only way that they can extend it kops capacity is to to upwards all way around it if that's possible
Kop needs to Mirror Anfield road and SKD stand mirror the main stand so it has some kind of modern symmetry and not look like Frankenstein’s laboratory with 4 mismatched stands.
Kop needs to be one tier stand or it's not a kop so can't mirror anfield road. Just needs to be built steaper if possible or extended further back if possible when time is right which could be years
The Kop looks too small in comparison to the Main stand and Anfield road, it is essential/salient to the club to expand. Season ticket yes PLEASE😂😂😂
@@keybenson wait they're that road is a main road for buses schools business's and general traffic between the north and south end if the city . Which is more important than Liverpool football club.
I guess a Kop expansion will not possibly happen until the 2030's and the Sir Kenny Stand pribably by the 2040's.Either way plans and current thinking will probably alter several times over the next few years.id love the Kop to gow in size so it holds and replicates the yellow wall in Dortmund.i gess that would have to see it become steeper, taller and deeper in its depthThe new Kop needs to be capable of holding at least 20,000 seats so we need to add a further 8 000 to its current capacity.i guessxthis woukd need the shops, church,pubs and even the store shop needing to be demolished , which is the easy part to a Kop expansion, more difficult is the Walton Breck Road , can it be rerouted, woukd LCC allow this peesonally i dont think this should be a issue or problem and woukd be cheaper than tunnelling the road.If the reduction of the capaciry of the Sir Lenny is reduced over the next couple of years to facilitate extra leg room in the lower sir kenny and more modinised larger concurse favilities then this probably woukd reduce the cspscity of that stand by a couple of thousand seats and Anfield current capacity woukd drop to about 59,000 in that case the Kop simply has to be extended by 7,000 to 8,000 extra seats ad Anfield and LFC need a ground that can hold at least 66,000 as a bare minimum and i think the club can have a ground of that capacityvsize and fall within the current LCC guidlines re planning permission without having to upgrade the road network, transportation needsv( rail or trams) and increased and improved car parking facilities.If this can be acheived in the next 7 to 8 years then the club can finally look at the expansion of the Sir Kenny Stand so it replicates the size and capacity of the Main Stand as a mirror image and in turn add a further 9,000 seats to the ground capacity taking it to 75,000 which is the uze of a ground Liverpool should be operating with and could easily sell out with still a long and sizable season ticket wauting list.If this is to happen and be a project for the late 2030's or 2040's then hopefully by that time Anfield will have seen th neccessary redevelopment of the srea with better road and rail links etc and the houses in Skerries Road will all be under the ownership of Liverpool FC who could then generously move residents into other properties in the local area and demolish the houses in Skerries Road so allowing for the expansion of the Sir Kenny stand so it does hold and mirror the Main Stand andthe ground csn be symetrically a lot more pleasing on the eye with all 4 stands bevof a similar size. Lots to do and plan and we may have new owners and this take a further 25 to 20 years to do and complete but these plans should be part of the clubs log term ambitions and sitting with LCC so that it can form part of the council long term regeneration plan for the Anfield residential and commercial district
The families will be forced out by the council , because it is the whole area that is being regenerated not just the stadium.
Don't Liverpool still own the land where the hotel was going to be built? Liverpool could easily build new premises for those businesses over there. Maybe the road could go down, ie motorway underpass sections joined together.
I believe that is owned by Liverpool City Council
billy hogan was interviewed recently and stated there are absolutely no plans to re develop anfield further
Yeah I saw that yet there still waiting to buy out homes that become empty so no harm in planning ahead but could be years upon years to wait
Definitely the only real option is to realign the road.
Compulsory Purchase Order, anyone? The new government is all about new builds…👀
The KOP need to be like the yellow wall capacity in Dortmund
Red Wall - one massive tier. It’s intimidating to the opposing teams
The road can easily be moved if Liverpool own the land they can move it too
Why would they need those houses to make the Kopp bigger they have all ready said if they did the Kopp it would just be a second tear above the old one just like the Anfeild road
Because them houses are behind SKD stand which needs expanding aswell 👍it's going to be a long process so good to see the club actually planning ahead even if nothing is done anytime soon
I thought if the capacity were to increase, then the travel, rail, road infrastructure will have to be improved.
It will have to be
As a mate pointed out to me the other day, isn't the thing stopping any further expansion the transport links and not buying up the houses? Don't they need to have trams or rail links in place to get any further planning permission for expansion?
They will have to be a rail link for certain if any big expansion takes place, over 65 thousand I think is the number but if LFC are quietly buying houses I'm guessing they would of asked questions about the rail link also, either ways it going to be costly, be a lot of talking with LCC and the Anfield community if and when time is right, probably be a lot of terms and conditions in place but it's going to be years down the line I feel even if houses are getting brought when vacated
Do it and take the capicity to 75 thousand.
There is no dentist behind the bakery, it was in Donaldson street and this was knocked down at least 10 years ago
Was today when I was there walking past 👍
Same building as the bakery, sign up so looked like a dentist to me. If you like an up to date pick just ask
I only pointed this out in case people go there looking for a dentist.
If they're buying all that property, then why not relocate the road to run along where the property was, and extended the kop's footprint to cover where the road is now? Just move the road 50 or so feet away?
Hasn’t there been talk previously of a train station/ tram stop as part of future expansion and wider area regeneration along with a hotel?
Has been talk but it would have to happen if any other large expansion happens, probably would need planning first before the expansion if ever happens
I think they'll re route that road
Don't be ridiculous that's a main road for buses and business and general traffic. And by the way who is they.
The Old Kop used to hold 30 000 people
10 years i wish fsg would do 1 before that happans
You wouldn’t get planning permission anyway without major transport infrastructure
They should have just built a new stadium on Stanley park years ago.
Is looking that way but I'm glad we stayed with the history of this amazing club. Problems can be overcome and still keep the great history where it originated
@@greybeardmedia-merseysidebey I’m sort of glad we stayed but clubs could be by passing us, we couldn’t have built a 70,000 plus stadium with a retracting roof, no new pitches yearly etc. Liverpool FC missed a massive trick imo.
As the years pass by so do building costs increase, would need to increase club revenue somehow
Could Liverpool FC give the pitch a tiny bit more football grass ? Liverpool needs a champions league final.
Can't see that happening unfortunately 😔
Liverpool arena definitely need and upgrade. It looks like a dump yard. Soon Everton will have an arena that will shine over the dump yard that Liverpool has. You will look like a second hand club.
Everton will be a second division club
Listen no company own the houses the drug dealer own the empty shops waiting for cpo to get the best price
The infrastructure around anfield is terrible. The transport links to and from the ground from the city on match days is awful. You wait ages for a bus and hope you get on or you spend an hour walking to town. Needs an anfield train/tram line and a more direct route to town. I believe this is a bit part of what is stopping further expansion of the kop.
The transport link will certainly have to be priority if any further expansion happen even though none are planned but still houses are getting brought out so I'm guessing it will be years maybe decades if kop is done next
With Man United looking at the possibility of building a 100,000 seater stadium and Man City investing £300 million to increase capacity of the Etihad to over 60,000 with fan zone and a 400 bed hotel, Newcastle are moving ahead with expanding St James' park to over 60,000, they are expanding the Gallowgate stand over the road that runs behind the stand. Liverpool need to be putting plans in place to expand the Kop otherwise we will fall behind both the Manchester clubs and Newcastle United.
We're doing things the hard ways by the looks of it 😞
It’s already 61000
wanna make the kop to be the largest wall in the world
Liverpool can not be extended past 63,000 unless they get better transport links.That's why Tottenham capacity is 62,850 because of poor transport links.
Sorry that video so depressing … rebuild in decades … I’d start tomorrow … we need to be more positive … watched a video yesterday … on European and World stadiums … we are struggling … Barcelona apparently have no money but are rebuilding a monster … never thought I’d say it … but maybe we should have moved ………….
But why would the club be buying houses on Skerries for any Kop expansion? They won't come into play for that. Also. Homebaked own those tinned up houses at the junction of Walton Breck Road/Oakfield Road featured in your video! And they have serious plans to redevelop them themselves as family homes. These are the houses that need to be purchased (and knocked down) for the road (WBR) behind the Kop to be totally moved back for any Kop expansion. 🤔🧐
Buying houses on skerries road would be for skd expansion when ever that would be. Just a long process but club prefer the kop to be expanded first. Buying out house on skerries road and neighbouring streets at this rate will take years, decades like I said so why not start now at the same time preparing for a possible Kop Expansion
@greybeardmedia-merseysidebey yeah I see what you mean now. Hopefully the owners are future proofing the immediate areas for both stands to be eventually done. 👍
You mentioned your difficulty in obtaining tickets for games. I haven't been to a game since Roger's was manager. Can't get a ticket. I was born in Anfield and have lived in Liverpool all my life. My grandparents used to lodge players in their house in Harrow Rd back in the 60s. Unfortunately the club has been taken away from us as local people. We don't spend hundreds of pounds in the club shop before games and refuse to pay inflated prices for tickets. The fact is we're not wanted, as the club can bring in more revenue with the foreign fans. The game is all about money now. Sad but true.
....they should match the KDS with the main stand......and the KOP match it with the Anfield Road Stand so visually it looks stunning
@@marcusbyer4100 see I think each individual stand should have its own identity, its own look but stick with similar foundations