Whatever the club's eventual plans are, they have to address the area around the ground. It needs some TLC big-time. Spend a few quid on the immediate surroundings. Consider it an investment. I know LFC do loads in the community, I've been involved in one myself. The area around the ground needs a face-lift. Everyone that loves the club knows it's the right thing to do. Great video as always. Stay safe lad 👍
From engineering perspective, those boarded-up houses may need to go for KOP expansion alone (and the closed businesses along and, sadly but likely the Church and more). Because if the road behind the KOP is still where it is now, no expansion is happening. My educated guess is that the very first phase will be road relocation starting from the end of the boarded houses, passing through what is now the back of the Church and re-joining the old route about the place where you started the video. Only then there is capacity to expand and space to do the work on it.
The stadium needs further expanding but also the whole area needs redeveloping as there no point having a great stadium in the middle of a run down area.
Thank you KC. You, Mr Drone and Greybeard are consistently brilliant. I still don't mind Liverpool giving the Mighty Palace a thrashing : ) Best wishes
I've been saying for a couple of years that Walton Breck Road is going to be diverted. It's fairly obvious from the buildings that are being bought and boarded up. The church and the pub will need to be moved but once they have been moved (possibly onto the hotel site?) the road can easily be diverted to create a large site for The Kop to be expanded.
Just guessing but walton beck road is so busy I would think the first step is to construct re routing that road In the end it still goes past the new Kop stand but in a different path taken Those houses in the video being demolished along with the church and the two pubs Would give an opportunity to build such road that can always be in place and active during the Kop expansion and onwards I actually think if they did get the go ahead to go bigger , expended and possibly wider , the club shop then gets in the way of a bigger stand. The Kop and its list of issues needed to happen first actually is the most straight forward stand to do Re home church and two pubs Re route the main round around the outer limit of a new stand
Whatever work done to the kop will be done just like the main stand and the Anfield Road stand. The stand will stay in use whilst they build the new bits behind it. Obviously, the re-arranging of the road and infrastructure will happen first. Likely date of an enlarged Kop being ready for use: 2030 at the earliest. IMO.
I think those empty houses would be knocked down to re-route the road further back behind the kop to avoid a big bend in the road like on anfield road. Can’t really do that with a main road😊
Forget the houses the main issue is the roads, which ones are owned by the council or managed by the Highways Agency? That is the key issue in terms of transport links. Any development will include an impact on or loss of a road, that therefore includes many levels of local and/or national government.
Great video as always 👍🏼 with regards to the Kop expansion with the space an Walton Breck Road they could take it out over the road have a tunnel like at villa park where the stand goes over the road with out disruptions or re-routing it but this is only my opinion, also what do the residents say about it all cause they weren’t happy when the main stand was being done that could be another problem with the expansion the club needs to keep them happy as well
Brilliant update Kev excellent insight to the local area 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 both stands need updating and the surrounding roads would be a welcome addition to the residents and community, plus with the scum announcing their plans for a 100k new stadium we need to keep up with them 👊🏾
Im sure that there are plans and possibly designs of a potential expansion, dependant on circumstances and approvals.. it'll be mad not to. I reckon that they'll wait until Anfield rd end pays for itself first .. maybe a 5year project and negotiations
As a fan from South Wales, what strikes me is just how ‘run-down’ the local area is and that as the stadium has expanded, the more dilapidated the local area appears in comparison. Furthermore, this ‘contrast’ would become even more stark if ‘The Kop’ and the ‘SKD Stand’ were to be modernised. So, whilst I can see why people would object to a stadium expansion, with the area in any case being in a ‘steep economic decline’, without the stadium there would be little or no reason to attract new investment, - which could in time lead to the local community all but disappearing. There is clearly a need for to more investment for the local community, but where this investment would come from and how it could be utilised is a very difficult question to answer. However, with there being a bigger stadium, LFC would at least be more likely to generate additional ‘cash flow’ into the community.
the main points i think would be the fact that thats a main road. It cant be pedestrianised. it would cause too much congestion. The only way i think they could do is if the Kop was built over the road and a tunnel made for the road for traffic to pass through. you could merge the Albert pub into part of the stand itself. the LFC store can be easilly rebuilt across the way becoming the first few floors of a hotel complex. perhaps building a new steeper kop seating and placing it over the top of the existing structure once the roof is removed. If its all prefabricated already you could crane in complete sections with seats etc ready to go. The inside of the kop would stay the same. But im no architect.
Hi KC, great to hear another view point of the Kop expansion "hopefully" in the future ! rather than repeat all the info I put on Grey Beards channel about the same subject re Kop expansion !******** Have a glance at it KC*******, it gained some interesting reply's also, some saying bang on target !!! Hadn't seen before the main stand picture before and after development !!, a little suspect because the road now is very busy , flanking it with a football park come shopping facility seems a bit odd, but who knows ....
Yes we love Anfield, it is our spiritual home with incredible history and memories. When you look at the incredible stadiums that the elite clubs are building, ask ourselves the question should FSG have built a brand new modern stadium in Stanley park ? Man Utds plans look incredible. Madrids is amazing, Barcelona will be stunning. Spurs is incredible. The 2 milans will build new stadiums. Liverpool city council need to step up here. The Kop and Kenny Dalglish stand must be redeveloped. The whole area lets be honest needs redeveloping. It doesn't look good when away fans and visitors see alot of dereliction close by.
The empty houses next to Homebaked are owned by Homebaked, the plan is for them to gradually be given over to small independent businesses, the owner of The Albert Pub was offered a lot of money by the club but up to now he's turned it down (he makes more money from the billboard on the side of the pub than he does selling ale!), I don't know about the other empty shops x
Hey KC, watching your last couple of videos regarding Kop expansion. I’m in construction and civil engineering & my theory is what could happen & probably will is - “all the tinned up property is likely to be owned by the club & even possibly the last couple of business’s, so my experience of how things are constructed is they’ll probably knock them down and move the road over. Church is the only stumbling block but as it’s not listed & if they throw enough money at it they get relocated which would then pave the way for Kop expansion. Not sure if u remember me we met night of Atlanta Europa league match. Cheers
Kop expansion isn't possible in the way you discuss it; look up stadium sightlines and distances from the centre circle. Not to mention that the costs involved would not make an iota of business sense. Also, the road cannot be just simply 'moved over' it is an A road and would require huge government approval. Absolutely not happening any time soon (ever).
I just think the plan is to knock all those boarded up properties down, a roundabout will go where that boarded up row of houses are which will then allow for the road to be re directed slightly to create space behind the kop on the side that's obviously needing it the most. Once that's done they will have space to do exactly the same as last two stands build the extension behind it first and the roof then close season they do the rest like making some of the kop steeper. I say some because they can't go straight from the bottom steep or it would block sight of the seating in the corner of main stand.
@Kevcupo cheers mate. If you think about it, if the club have bought up those houses, only reason I can think of would be they have a heads up from the council that they would be able to do something to re route the road enough to allow for further expansion. I can't see the club buying houses that far along from anfield unless there is some sort of plan for that area. I believe the council might of said something along the lines of do the main and anfield road stands first, aquire the properties behind the kop and by that time there could be other plans to deal with transport, which will definitely have to be tackled for further expansion. Unfortunately I can't see any of this happening any time soon. Or they might just be wanting to do anfield road stand first let that pay for itself once it has then the kop next, they done it that way with the main stand, waited for that to be paid off before going ahead with anfield road.
is it possible to build over breck road onto the site on the opposite site if the club buy out the buildings and site and have breck road going under the kop as a tunnel
I reckon the Club superstore would also have to move if I’m being honest. I think it’s too close to the Kop for it to stay where it is if the stand is ever expanded.
I think Everton moving from Goodison has weakened the business case for using the Canada Dock Branch line for passengers which could've served both the old Spellow Station as well as Anfield.
@nigel8499 not happening plan was pulled 2013 when cost for 1 line was £361m. Originally government were giving £170m but pulled it as proposed costs grew. Costs have since gone up and less money (none) available.
That artist impression is/was part of a revamp of the whole street to semi-pedestrianise it by narrowing the road, and building retail units across from the current club shop - pre-covid. Last I read it had still been given approval...
Interesting video but one thing stood out that could get in the way of building the stands outwards that you didn't mention. The actual road itself. It's an extremely busy road and not easy to create an alternative traffic flow. I don't think anyone at LCC would allow a major route around the city to be blocked off. Also it's a major bus route too
Looks like a lot of dereliction around there. You would think that Liverpool Council would say we will knock the lot down and let the club expand the Kop and the Sir Kenny stand and build a train station there. It would benefit the city as a whole and would also improve the lives of the people in the homes around there that are left.
@@Kevcupo here's a crazy idea how about build an underground Metro from the main train station to Anfield (im dreaming I know) but it would be the best solution. more probable would be the railway that is used commercially from the opposite side of Stanley Park from Anfield. It's within the required distance, you could build a train station there
12,500 ppl is a small stand, even after the entire stadium is finished, it will still be small compared to European and UK rivals, they are all going bigger the Anfield
The Sir Kenny dalglish stand can’t be upgraded. When they done the main stand they had to knock down a full road of houses and half of the next street. They where lucky that 90% of the houses were derelict. Skerries road which backs onto Dalglish stand, the houses are all full and mostly owned not rented. Them people will not move and LFC can’t buy out at least 40 houses in the street then half of the next one. Maybe the Kop could get upgraded but not in the way you think, be similar to what it is with extra seats and a higher stand. It might be derelict round here in a couple of streets but it’s not that bad everything is getting regenerated.
So much of this is incorrect. The proposed plan image you show at the beginning is from a scheme that was cancelled over 5 years ago. The club shop was initially to be underneath the Main Stand (where the players now park their cards). The new scheme for Walton Breck Road is far scaled down and plans were publicly available last month. There are absolutely no plans to expand the Kop and any claims that there are is utterly misguided.
Hey KC! Great video, I visited Anfield for the first time for Klopp's last game vs Wolves. Absolutely unreal, people were kind, friendly, and welcoming. Being at the Kop end was a dream come true. Good to know that there's plans to expand but the real question is, how far will Anfield expansion continue to go? While sitting at approx ~ 61,300, is 65,000, 70,000 or even 75,000+ the goal for Anfield capacity?
Brilliant video. Conceivably it is not beyond possibility, those properties have been bought by Liverpool, to reroute the road and facilitate a Kop expansion.. Would love to see it happen but definitely won't be for several years. YNWA !!
is it not possible to extend current building to road & have as an extra tier at top ? a tunnel underneath for walkway.. hope the butty shop over the road is still about, was very nice a few yrs back
Isn't there also an issue with the public transport/ infrastructure needing to be sorted out. For further expansion. as in there needs to be either a train station or "metro" station less than a mile from the stadium. Better bus routes/ park and ride. along with better pedestrian walk ways provided. As im sure sometime while the main stand was being built and the plans for anfield road where put out. There was talk about capacity being limited to 60k ish. due to the public infrastructure not being able to facilitate anything beyond 60k.
that location should be a world class site to visit, the road can be altered where the houses are, and churches can be bought and knocked down. its not a a listed building
They could extend the Kop and keep the road similar to how the Trinity Rd stand works at Aston Villa where the road runs under part of the stand. Just an idea.
You can't close down the park for one also the Albert you would have to build over the Albert with maybe a tunnel for the traffic with also including the park pub
Hi Kev i have a rough photoshop of how the area would look without the buildings nearest to the road and a possible reroute of the road, tried sending it to Wayne but his e-mail is not working, cant see an e-mail on your page to contact you, or am i looking in the wrong place 😄
I believe Walton Breck Road could be pushed back from Burleigh Road South to Donaldson Street, the angle would have to change to running parallel to The Kop. The Church is in the way and just as Anfield has it's congregation so does the church and it's flock should be consulted along the way
I'd like to see them build an enormous Kop, but they need to future proof against restrictions, should they redevelop the SKD any time. The massive pillars at the Anfield Rd end shows just how much extra capacity has been lost from three corners. One of the features of the old standing kop was just how wide it was, wrapping around to meet the main stand and the old Kemlyn. I also think that LFC have missed a trick in not factoring in good natural light to the backs of the stands. again, the old Kop looked superb, largely because it was always well lit, so you could always see all of it.
Anfield has been designed \ built piecemeal over the years. Sorry to disappoint many but there's no way the Kop or the SKD is being expanded any time soon. Even rebuilding the Kop will mean losing 12500 seats for 2 or 3 years while it's knocked down and re built as a multi tiered stand which wouldnt add many extra seats. It would also cost over £100m.
Yep 4 large stands might hold 75k or so. Add corners and it could be towards 90k. I also wonder whether at some point in the further future... if the area was sorted transport and leisure wise, that a single roof, Bernebeu style might be desired. Would work if there were all year round concerts there. I believe live music will eventually head that way. But there are few stadia with roofs on currently. Would mean BIG income if it was possible.
@@RS-xx9ve Dortmund's ground is a good example of how Liverpool could develop, even undoing previous mistakes that were similar to what I think LFC have made. When Liverpool won the UEFA cup there, thought it was a rubbish ground, but now.....!
@@tonysebo9010 Functionally and atmosphere wise Dortmund is great, altho not that big as an all-seater. Downside is it's pretty "workmanlike" ie not overly pretty. I'd love Anfield to become similar to a "Bernebeu on the Mersey". 4 stands but with one huge roof. With Everton gone from the area, that could bring in huge revenue, maybe every week of the year.... once all year stadium concerts become a thing. Anfield has already taken a role as "Wembley of the North" with recent concerts. Even if it is way behind Wembley currently. 2 more stands and 4 corners would see Anfield genuinely become a Wembley of the North. And financially it would definitely work.
@@RS-xx9ve I agree. I meant that when Liverpool played there in 2001, it was a ground that had made all of the mistakes LFC have more recently. They've largely rectified most of them with some good engineering solutions, particularly for the roof.
For all that "regen" the area south of Anfield ie behind the Kop is jawdroppingly grim right now. That's what happens when u leave the place to Joe Anderson and co.
I’ve had a season ticket on the kop since it was a terrace and in all honesty it’s not a patch on the old kop it’s very underwhelming and certainly nothing great architecturally.
Nice to have your thoughts 💭 on the possibilities of the expansion of the KOP.🤞🏻🙏🏻👍 Nice that you saw Wayne briefly at the bus stop , he is a good lad 👍👍👌🏻 YNWA Sparky 🍻🍻
THATS EXACTLY WHAT THEY WOULD DO....... GOOD GOD, this Rd is not the pyramids...... put a bend in it. How was this country ever the greatest engineering country on the planet? Move the road.......
I think it's disgusting the way the Anfield area has been left to rot. I grew up in Anfield and hardly recognize it now. I'm a Liverpool supporter but have no time for the way the club has behaved over the years. They put nothing into the area but take millions out.
Could they move Walton Breck Road to where the boarded up houses and shops are now? Obviously they would have to negotiate with the church too. I think this would create the room to expand at least the Kop.
I still think that Kop can be expanded by about 4-5k seats without going near the road and have The Albert pub incorporated into it. The roof taken off and half of the Kop removed and new steeper terracing built.
Those empty houses next to Homebaked were advertised as being renovated to be used by the community for different things. That was years ago. I think the council owns them.
4:15 Wow those houses are new and look like they are deteriorating already. One of em even has a patched up roof already. They look and are completely unsuitable for that area. Far worse infact than what was there before. All thanks to Joe Anderson and mates. De generation not re-generation.
If we go back to Gillette and Hicks ( sorry for mentioning) designed stadium they had a a high banked Kopp like at Dortmund. But thats the next Stand to get built
Its wrong to assume that a bigger Kop would mean a proportional increase in capacity. It wouldn't. If the kop was to be rebuilt it would have to be bigger just to seat the current capacity based on current regulations on seat spacing, concourse areas etc. So the club could be looking at a ridiculous amount of money and effort just to increase the capacity by a few thousand.
The stadium looks a total mess. I am astounded at how many fellow reds just don’t see it. From Walton Breck especially - it looks like a run down ground from the 80’s. The surrounding area is a mess too. FSG are laughing at the club. To date they have not put in one penny over the debt they got the club for. Remember that when you look at the stadium.
A new, steeper Kop with a bigger capacity on the same footprint would be the best solution, with Walton Breck Road moved south to create more space outside the stand. The big question is the one you said: can LFC go 2 or so years playing at Anfield with no Kop while it's built? Otherwise they'll have to do what they've done with the other 2 expansions and build on an 'extension'.
Even in my short life I am astounded at the change of culture as a lad (Footie Echo’s blowing down the streets after yet another sensational victory, unless it was Atkinsons Utd side our bogey equal to Forest in Europe . £1.50 on the Kop to stand chokka block with the most unique city community ever known and all with the nasal neighbour of our once broad variety of ales and spirits…) to what you’re eloquently describing right here today. The failure of our chances to become eternal regarding footy and politics are back to take their pound of flesh with the *YOU go there to drink coffee, * YOU will not bevy in pubs we say you can’t before certain matches….. * no ‘papers or that mad one who wore the sandwich board and marched through the Exit hoards screaming REPENT , REPENT LADS ,ITS THE ONLY WAY TO SAVE YOURS! And all the other things that we thought were going to be there forever!!😂😂😂 No one would even believe that the Libpool Ticket Office at Anfield was a moody mobile in the Annie Rd end corner of the Main Stand car park 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. Great upload as ever mate.
I don't think it is a question of if, more when. The place looks bustling with people and the stadium is the reason. It all boils down to money and the respects of local residents, I think the club needs to be honest with the local community and put a plan on the table.
Can’t get rid of Georgie ps it’s a pre match ritual 😂😂😂😂 Someone said something interesting about expanding Kop. Do you think they will take the opportunity to make the pitch longer for international matches etc??
No ,if they were to do that they would have done it when rebuilding the Anfield Road end. Also that's pretty difficult to do as with Anfield Road end lower tier was never touched and with the Kop if it ever is expanded I can't imagine it makes financial sense to do a complete rebuild it would more than likely be an expansion which would keep the pitch dimensions the same
You can't as simple as that ,that's a main road between the north and south part's of the city for business schools and general traffic .just look at the amount of traffic on the road getting fed up with liverpool fans thinking they want to the area and not give a damm about thr local people. But let's be honest if it does get built will only be full if fans from out outside the city anyway.
I don’t think it’s viable for FSG. The Centenary will be but not the Kop because it won’t have corporate seating in it. If they tried to put corporate seating in the Kop they’d be protests.
The Kop is the most iconic stand on the planet and is definitely the 12th man. I sit opposite the dug out and the anny Rd now is louder than the kop quite often. So how do you define viable, is it all about profit/money.
@@PaulGrayson-gi8puSadly with FSG yes all they care about is making Liverpool valuable so they can sell it on in the future for a profit, they're American investors at the end of day and don't care about the local supporter, Building a new Kop (which I'd love to see)would be a long term investment as it would take a long time for the stand to pay for itself and probably alot longer than FSG would hope to stick around to wait for the debt be paid off and add the value they want
Whatever the club's eventual plans are, they have to address the area around the ground. It needs some TLC big-time. Spend a few quid on the immediate surroundings. Consider it an investment. I know LFC do loads in the community, I've been involved in one myself. The area around the ground needs a face-lift. Everyone that loves the club knows it's the right thing to do. Great video as always. Stay safe lad 👍
From engineering perspective, those boarded-up houses may need to go for KOP expansion alone (and the closed businesses along and, sadly but likely the Church and more). Because if the road behind the KOP is still where it is now, no expansion is happening. My educated guess is that the very first phase will be road relocation starting from the end of the boarded houses, passing through what is now the back of the Church and re-joining the old route about the place where you started the video. Only then there is capacity to expand and space to do the work on it.
The road can be excavated and turned into an underpass. that will open up the space.
The stadium needs further expanding but also the whole area needs redeveloping as there no point having a great stadium in the middle of a run down area.
@@djayr1soulfulhouse838 the whole area is being redeveloped ?
The stadium is part of the reason the area is run down. Expanding the stadium will simply expand the blight.
@@JayEFC1969nonsense
Thank you KC. You, Mr Drone and Greybeard are consistently brilliant. I still don't mind Liverpool giving the Mighty Palace a thrashing : ) Best wishes
I've been saying for a couple of years that Walton Breck Road is going to be diverted. It's fairly obvious from the buildings that are being bought and boarded up. The church and the pub will need to be moved but once they have been moved (possibly onto the hotel site?) the road can easily be diverted to create a large site for The Kop to be expanded.
Just guessing but walton beck road is so busy
I would think the first step is to construct re routing that road
In the end it still goes past the new Kop stand but in a different path taken
Those houses in the video being demolished along with the church and the two pubs
Would give an opportunity to build such road that can always be in place and active during the Kop expansion and onwards
I actually think if they did get the go ahead to go bigger , expended and possibly wider , the club shop then gets in the way of a bigger stand.
The Kop and its list of issues needed to happen first actually is the most straight forward stand to do
Re home church and two pubs
Re route the main round around the outer limit of a new stand
Come on Liverpool make Anfield 75k seats
75k 100% will happen it's just going to take some time
Whatever work done to the kop will be done just like the main stand and the Anfield Road stand.
The stand will stay in use whilst they build the new bits behind it.
Obviously, the re-arranging of the road and infrastructure will happen first.
Likely date of an enlarged Kop being ready for use: 2030 at the earliest. IMO.
I think those empty houses would be knocked down to re-route the road further back behind the kop to avoid a big bend in the road like on anfield road. Can’t really do that with a main road😊
Yes, you hit the nail on the head ,it makes sense .
Forget the houses the main issue is the roads, which ones are owned by the council or managed by the Highways Agency? That is the key issue in terms of transport links. Any development will include an impact on or loss of a road, that therefore includes many levels of local and/or national government.
Great video as always 👍🏼 with regards to the Kop expansion with the space an Walton Breck Road they could take it out over the road have a tunnel like at villa park where the stand goes over the road with out disruptions or re-routing it but this is only my opinion, also what do the residents say about it all cause they weren’t happy when the main stand was being done that could be another problem with the expansion the club needs to keep them happy as well
Simple build tunnel over road ❤ with stand above ❤
Brilliant update Kev excellent insight to the local area 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 both stands need updating and the surrounding roads would be a welcome addition to the residents and community, plus with the scum announcing their plans for a 100k new stadium we need to keep up with them 👊🏾
Im sure that there are plans and possibly designs of a potential expansion, dependant on circumstances and approvals.. it'll be mad not to.
I reckon that they'll wait until Anfield rd end pays for itself first .. maybe a 5year project and negotiations
As a fan from South Wales, what strikes me is just how ‘run-down’ the local area is and that as the stadium has expanded, the more dilapidated the local area appears in comparison. Furthermore, this ‘contrast’ would become even more stark if ‘The Kop’ and the ‘SKD Stand’ were to be modernised.
So, whilst I can see why people would object to a stadium expansion, with the area in any case being in a ‘steep economic decline’, without the stadium there would be little or no reason to attract new investment, - which could in time lead to the local community all but disappearing.
There is clearly a need for to more investment for the local community, but where this investment would come from and how it could be utilised is a very difficult question to answer. However, with there being a bigger stadium, LFC would at least be more likely to generate additional ‘cash flow’ into the community.
the main points i think would be the fact that thats a main road. It cant be pedestrianised. it would cause too much congestion. The only way i think they could do is if the Kop was built over the road and a tunnel made for the road for traffic to pass through. you could merge the Albert pub into part of the stand itself. the LFC store can be easilly rebuilt across the way becoming the first few floors of a hotel complex. perhaps building a new steeper kop seating and placing it over the top of the existing structure once the roof is removed. If its all prefabricated already you could crane in complete sections with seats etc ready to go. The inside of the kop would stay the same. But im no architect.
Hi KC, great to hear another view point of the Kop expansion "hopefully" in the future ! rather than repeat all the info I put on Grey Beards channel about the same subject re Kop expansion !******** Have a glance at it KC*******, it gained some interesting reply's also, some saying bang on target !!! Hadn't seen before the main stand picture before and after development !!, a little suspect because the road now is very busy , flanking it with a football park come shopping facility seems a bit odd, but who knows ....
Yes we love Anfield, it is our spiritual home with incredible history and memories. When you look at the incredible stadiums that the elite clubs are building, ask ourselves the question should FSG have built a brand new modern stadium in Stanley park ? Man Utds plans look incredible. Madrids is amazing, Barcelona will be stunning. Spurs is incredible. The 2 milans will build new stadiums. Liverpool city council need to step up here. The Kop and Kenny Dalglish stand must be redeveloped. The whole area lets be honest needs redeveloping. It doesn't look good when away fans and visitors see alot of dereliction close by.
The empty houses next to Homebaked are owned by Homebaked, the plan is for them to gradually be given over to small independent businesses, the owner of The Albert Pub was offered a lot of money by the club but up to now he's turned it down (he makes more money from the billboard on the side of the pub than he does selling ale!), I don't know about the other empty shops x
Hey KC, watching your last couple of videos regarding Kop expansion. I’m in construction and civil engineering & my theory is what could happen & probably will is - “all the tinned up property is likely to be owned by the club & even possibly the last couple of business’s, so my experience of how things are constructed is they’ll probably knock them down and move the road over. Church is the only stumbling block but as it’s not listed & if they throw enough money at it they get relocated which would then pave the way for Kop expansion.
Not sure if u remember me we met night of Atlanta Europa league match. Cheers
Kop expansion isn't possible in the way you discuss it; look up stadium sightlines and distances from the centre circle. Not to mention that the costs involved would not make an iota of business sense.
Also, the road cannot be just simply 'moved over' it is an A road and would require huge government approval. Absolutely not happening any time soon (ever).
Yes mate I remember, that’s some good insight
Also they should incoperate that pub somehow into their plans its legendary
I agree but its seen better days, wish the owners of the Albert and the owners of the Park would do some upgrading, its time
@@TheAndriThorthe Albert is owned by LFC, it only opens on match days. The park pub is open everyday.
@@SwedishEgg1 the Albert isn't owned by LFC!
@@SwedishEgg1 still looks like shite
I just think the plan is to knock all those boarded up properties down, a roundabout will go where that boarded up row of houses are which will then allow for the road to be re directed slightly to create space behind the kop on the side that's obviously needing it the most.
Once that's done they will have space to do exactly the same as last two stands build the extension behind it first and the roof then close season they do the rest like making some of the kop steeper.
I say some because they can't go straight from the bottom steep or it would block sight of the seating in the corner of main stand.
That’s a brilliant idea mate
@Kevcupo cheers mate. If you think about it, if the club have bought up those houses, only reason I can think of would be they have a heads up from the council that they would be able to do something to re route the road enough to allow for further expansion. I can't see the club buying houses that far along from anfield unless there is some sort of plan for that area.
I believe the council might of said something along the lines of do the main and anfield road stands first, aquire the properties behind the kop and by that time there could be other plans to deal with transport, which will definitely have to be tackled for further expansion.
Unfortunately I can't see any of this happening any time soon. Or they might just be wanting to do anfield road stand first let that pay for itself once it has then the kop next, they done it that way with the main stand, waited for that to be paid off before going ahead with anfield road.
is it possible to build over breck road onto the site on the opposite site if the club buy out the buildings and site and have breck road going under the kop as a tunnel
I reckon the Club superstore would also have to move if I’m being honest. I think it’s too close to the Kop for it to stay where it is if the stand is ever expanded.
You could be right
I think Everton moving from Goodison has weakened the business case for using the Canada Dock Branch line for passengers which could've served both the old Spellow Station as well as Anfield.
Bring back the trams.
@nigel8499 not happening plan was pulled 2013 when cost for 1 line was £361m. Originally government were giving £170m but pulled it as proposed costs grew. Costs have since gone up and less money (none) available.
That artist impression is/was part of a revamp of the whole street to semi-pedestrianise it by narrowing the road, and building retail units across from the current club shop - pre-covid. Last I read it had still been given approval...
Oh right ok
Interesting video but one thing stood out that could get in the way of building the stands outwards that you didn't mention. The actual road itself. It's an extremely busy road and not easy to create an alternative traffic flow. I don't think anyone at LCC would allow a major route around the city to be blocked off. Also it's a major bus route too
Looks like a lot of dereliction around there. You would think that Liverpool Council would say we will knock the lot down and let the club expand the Kop and the Sir Kenny stand and build a train station there. It would benefit the city as a whole and would also improve the lives of the people in the homes around there that are left.
There is absolutely nowhere to run tracks
@@Kevcupo how about a tram system similar to Sheffield
there is talk about running metro trains on a line near Anfield
@@Kevcupo here's a crazy idea how about build an underground Metro from the main train station to Anfield (im dreaming I know) but it would be the best solution.
more probable would be the railway that is used commercially from the opposite side of Stanley Park from Anfield. It's within the required distance, you could build a train station there
Build a mono rail similar to the Wuppertal railway
Thanks for your videos
That’s very kind, thank you so much
12,500 ppl is a small stand, even after the entire stadium is finished, it will still be small compared to European and UK rivals, they are all going bigger the Anfield
The Sir Kenny dalglish stand can’t be upgraded. When they done the main stand they had to knock down a full road of houses and half of the next street. They where lucky that 90% of the houses were derelict. Skerries road which backs onto Dalglish stand, the houses are all full and mostly owned not rented. Them people will not move and LFC can’t buy out at least 40 houses in the street then half of the next one. Maybe the Kop could get upgraded but not in the way you think, be similar to what it is with extra seats and a higher stand. It might be derelict round here in a couple of streets but it’s not that bad everything is getting regenerated.
So much of this is incorrect. The proposed plan image you show at the beginning is from a scheme that was cancelled over 5 years ago. The club shop was initially to be underneath the Main Stand (where the players now park their cards). The new scheme for Walton Breck Road is far scaled down and plans were publicly available last month.
There are absolutely no plans to expand the Kop and any claims that there are is utterly misguided.
Yes I know it’s an old image, which I do say “I don’t even know why it’s still up”.
Surly they can go up and make it steeper
Hey KC! Great video, I visited Anfield for the first time for Klopp's last game vs Wolves. Absolutely unreal, people were kind, friendly, and welcoming. Being at the Kop end was a dream come true. Good to know that there's plans to expand but the real question is, how far will Anfield expansion continue to go? While sitting at approx ~ 61,300, is 65,000, 70,000 or even 75,000+ the goal for Anfield capacity?
Brilliant video. Conceivably it is not beyond possibility, those properties have been bought by Liverpool, to reroute the road and facilitate a Kop expansion..
Would love to see it happen but definitely won't be for several years.
YNWA !!
Thanks mate, yeah it could be years off, but a good talking point
I guess you don't live in the area so you don't give a damm about thr people who do.
is it not possible to extend current building to road & have as an extra tier at top ? a tunnel underneath for walkway.. hope the butty shop over the road is still about, was very nice a few yrs back
A few pints for you mate. Awesome videos👏👏
Thank you so much, that’s really kind of you
Isn't there also an issue with the public transport/ infrastructure needing to be sorted out. For further expansion. as in there needs to be either a train station or "metro" station less than a mile from the stadium. Better bus routes/ park and ride. along with better pedestrian walk ways provided. As im sure sometime while the main stand was being built and the plans for anfield road where put out. There was talk about capacity being limited to 60k ish. due to the public infrastructure not being able to facilitate anything beyond 60k.
that location should be a world class site to visit, the road can be altered where the houses are, and churches can be bought and knocked down. its not a a listed building
Good point
No they’re just privately owned
Who the fuck do you liverpool fans think you are.
Absolutely BUT it takes owners who care about the place and the people NOT just their bottom line. This is buy to let ownership
@@stevemanhattan6771 ever considered the owners might not be in the least bit interested in what you want?
Interview with hogan out now saying no plans at all for any further expansion!!
His words were “no expansion at this moment”
They’re very clever with their words
They could extend the Kop and keep the road similar to how the Trinity Rd stand works at Aston Villa where the road runs under part of the stand. Just an idea.
Yeah it’s an idea
I think they will eventually redirect the road to allow for the expansion. Buying the houses will make the road change much easier.
You can't close down the park for one also the Albert you would have to build over the Albert with maybe a tunnel for the traffic with also including the park pub
Hi Kev i have a rough photoshop of how the area would look without the buildings nearest to the road and a possible reroute of the road, tried sending it to Wayne but his e-mail is not working, cant see an e-mail on your page to contact you, or am i looking in the wrong place 😄
merseykickers@hotmail.com
Because your a 🌟 Kev!😅 Great vid again mate!
There is space to divert the existing road to give them the space to expand
Yeah a lot of people have explained this
I believe Walton Breck Road could be pushed back from Burleigh Road South to Donaldson Street, the angle would have to change to running parallel to The Kop.
The Church is in the way and just as Anfield has it's congregation so does the church and it's flock should be consulted along the way
I'd like to see them build an enormous Kop, but they need to future proof against restrictions, should they redevelop the SKD any time. The massive pillars at the Anfield Rd end shows just how much extra capacity has been lost from three corners. One of the features of the old standing kop was just how wide it was, wrapping around to meet the main stand and the old Kemlyn. I also think that LFC have missed a trick in not factoring in good natural light to the backs of the stands. again, the old Kop looked superb, largely because it was always well lit, so you could always see all of it.
Anfield has been designed \ built piecemeal over the years. Sorry to disappoint many but there's no way the Kop or the SKD is being expanded any time soon. Even rebuilding the Kop will mean losing 12500 seats for 2 or 3 years while it's knocked down and re built as a multi tiered stand which wouldnt add many extra seats. It would also cost over £100m.
Yep 4 large stands might hold 75k or so. Add corners and it could be towards 90k. I also wonder whether at some point in the further future... if the area was sorted transport and leisure wise, that a single roof, Bernebeu style might be desired. Would work if there were all year round concerts there. I believe live music will eventually head that way. But there are few stadia with roofs on currently. Would mean BIG income if it was possible.
@@RS-xx9ve Dortmund's ground is a good example of how Liverpool could develop, even undoing previous mistakes that were similar to what I think LFC have made. When Liverpool won the UEFA cup there, thought it was a rubbish ground, but now.....!
@@tonysebo9010 Functionally and atmosphere wise Dortmund is great, altho not that big as an all-seater. Downside is it's pretty "workmanlike" ie not overly pretty. I'd love Anfield to become similar to a "Bernebeu on the Mersey". 4 stands but with one huge roof. With Everton gone from the area, that could bring in huge revenue, maybe every week of the year.... once all year stadium concerts become a thing. Anfield has already taken a role as "Wembley of the North" with recent concerts. Even if it is way behind Wembley currently. 2 more stands and 4 corners would see Anfield genuinely become a Wembley of the North. And financially it would definitely work.
@@RS-xx9ve I agree.
I meant that when Liverpool played there in 2001, it was a ground that had made all of the mistakes LFC have more recently. They've largely rectified most of them with some good engineering solutions, particularly for the roof.
For all that "regen" the area south of Anfield ie behind the Kop is jawdroppingly grim right now. That's what happens when u leave the place to Joe Anderson and co.
It must get bigger 20k at least
That would be nice
I’ve had a season ticket on the kop since it was a terrace and in all honesty it’s not a patch on the old kop it’s very underwhelming and certainly nothing great architecturally.
Cheers Kev.
Assuming the church and 2 pubs maybe protected from being demolished?
Plenty of talking points to come if the club do expand again.
Yeah more questions than answers
they are not listed buildings
My advice is to finish the never ending road side stand
Well………yeah
Need to sort out the trainsport in Liverpool
expanding the kop will be logistically very difficult, hopefully one day it can happen. it wont be for a long time though.
Nice to have your thoughts 💭 on the possibilities of the expansion of the KOP.🤞🏻🙏🏻👍
Nice that you saw Wayne briefly at the bus stop , he is a good lad 👍👍👌🏻
YNWA Sparky 🍻🍻
Cheers Sparky
Strange is emty buildings and shops across KOP?What is reason for that?
Can't see how they do this. They would have to build over the road or else completely realign the road?
Yeah it’s a massive task
THATS EXACTLY WHAT THEY WOULD DO....... GOOD GOD, this Rd is not the pyramids...... put a bend in it.
How was this country ever the greatest engineering country on the planet? Move the road.......
Could they dig a underpass along the main road to divert the traffic under and expand the kop that way ?
I actually prefer the lack of lighting at the back, the darkness at the back is more atmospheric and imposing
idea not seen elsewhere for Kop expansion: an underpass for the road leaving a much bigger area to build on
It's been said many times before. An expansion of the Kop, can only be built over the road, so a road tunnel has to be created. 20,000 seater stand.
That would definitely be the best way to go.
I think it's disgusting the way the Anfield area has been left to rot. I grew up in Anfield and hardly recognize it now. I'm a Liverpool supporter but have no time for the way the club has behaved over the years. They put nothing into the area but take millions out.
The Kop And SKD stands need to be the same size as the main stand which would significantly increase the capacity of Anfield
The stadium isn’t going to expanded any more as billy hogan confirmed recently
the church is relativley a new building, so that could be replaced on the land already earmarked for building
Could they move Walton Breck Road to where the boarded up houses and shops are now? Obviously they would have to negotiate with the church too.
I think this would create the room to expand at least the Kop.
I still think that Kop can be expanded by about 4-5k seats without going near the road and have The Albert pub incorporated into it.
The roof taken off and half of the Kop removed and new steeper terracing built.
Those empty houses next to Homebaked were advertised as being renovated to be used by the community for different things. That was years ago. I think the council owns them.
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Ta ra Breck Rd. where do I get me ale from now?
mad logic thinking those houses would gt in the way of the stands lad. nuts
4:15 Wow those houses are new and look like they are deteriorating already. One of em even has a patched up roof already.
They look and are completely unsuitable for that area. Far worse infact than what was there before. All thanks to Joe Anderson and mates.
De generation not re-generation.
If we go back to Gillette and Hicks ( sorry for mentioning) designed stadium they had a a high banked Kopp like at Dortmund. But thats the next Stand to get built
Great videos lad 👏👏👏👏
Its wrong to assume that a bigger Kop would mean a proportional increase in capacity. It wouldn't. If the kop was to be rebuilt it would have to be bigger just to seat the current capacity based on current regulations on seat spacing, concourse areas etc. So the club could be looking at a ridiculous amount of money and effort just to increase the capacity by a few thousand.
The current Kop would seat about 9K if it used current regulations, It would have to be twice the size to be worth rebuilding.
@@SuperMagnum83 Exactly that. Maybe fill in the corners to blocks 304 and 306, but I cant see a new Kop even being a starter.
Club shop was supposed to be under the stairs up to the external main stand concourse
Nice video, thanks
Thank you
The stadium looks a total mess. I am astounded at how many fellow reds just don’t see it. From Walton Breck especially - it looks like a run down ground from the 80’s. The surrounding area is a mess too. FSG are laughing at the club. To date they have not put in one penny over the debt they got the club for. Remember that when you look at the stadium.
A new, steeper Kop with a bigger capacity on the same footprint would be the best solution, with Walton Breck Road moved south to create more space outside the stand. The big question is the one you said: can LFC go 2 or so years playing at Anfield with no Kop while it's built? Otherwise they'll have to do what they've done with the other 2 expansions and build on an 'extension'.
A5 size for bags. cheers
That’s the one
Best content on you tube all different brilliant 👍
Thank you mate
Having been involved in doing a few, artists impressions of proposals should never be read as anything more than dramatic fictions.
Ah right ok, this one was well off the mark
As much as I’d love it to happen, sadly I can’t see it happening anytime soon…
Kc I think the no.6 suite is closing down?
Even in my short life I am astounded at the change of culture as a lad (Footie Echo’s blowing down the streets after yet another sensational victory, unless it was Atkinsons Utd side our bogey equal to Forest in Europe . £1.50 on the Kop to stand chokka block with the most unique city community ever known and all with the nasal neighbour of our once broad variety of ales and spirits…) to what you’re eloquently describing right here today. The failure of our chances to become eternal regarding footy and politics are back to take their pound of flesh with the *YOU go there to drink coffee, * YOU will not bevy in pubs we say you can’t before certain matches….. * no ‘papers or that mad one who wore the sandwich board and marched through the Exit hoards screaming REPENT , REPENT LADS ,ITS THE ONLY WAY TO SAVE YOURS! And all the other things that we thought were going to be there forever!!😂😂😂 No one would even believe that the Libpool Ticket Office at Anfield was a moody mobile in the Annie Rd end corner of the Main Stand car park 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. Great upload as ever mate.
I would go all the way to Arkles Rd and extend Arkles Lane all the way to Walton as part of the KDS extention
That could happen mate
will the European Championship matches be played at the stadium? at Anfield in 2028
No, Anfield and Old Trafford miss out, Everton and Etihad for North West.
“If You Build It, They Will Come”
They would have to keep the kop roof clear of post's and have no restricted views,maybe the same as the yellow wall.
Above the road , it’s possible .
YNWA❤
Billy hogan has said today that there are no plans to expand Anfield so not sure what information Kev has been given 🤔🤷🏼???
Great video, Kev . 😊 💪
Thanks Phil
I don't think it is a question of if, more when. The place looks bustling with people and the stadium is the reason. It all boils down to money and the respects of local residents, I think the club needs to be honest with the local community and put a plan on the table.
Exactly this
great video mate, really appreciated
Thanks Ben
There will be no expansion if the owner albert pub insists don't want to be relocated.
Can’t get rid of Georgie ps it’s a pre match ritual 😂😂😂😂
Someone said something interesting about expanding Kop. Do you think they will take the opportunity to make the pitch longer for international matches etc??
Yeah I have no idea about that
The less matches played at anfield will preserve the pitch for LFC game's
No ,if they were to do that they would have done it when rebuilding the Anfield Road end. Also that's pretty difficult to do as with Anfield Road end lower tier was never touched and with the Kop if it ever is expanded I can't imagine it makes financial sense to do a complete rebuild it would more than likely be an expansion which would keep the pitch dimensions the same
You can't as simple as that ,that's a main road between the north and south part's of the city for business schools and general traffic .just look at the amount of traffic on the road getting fed up with liverpool fans thinking they want to the area and not give a damm about thr local people. But let's be honest if it does get built will only be full if fans from out outside the city anyway.
You see all the vacant land and buildings in sure KFC already bought it no?
I don’t think it’s viable for FSG. The Centenary will be but not the Kop because it won’t have corporate seating in it. If they tried to put corporate seating in the Kop they’d be protests.
The Kop is the most iconic stand on the planet and is definitely the 12th man. I sit opposite the dug out and the anny Rd now is louder than the kop quite often. So how do you define viable, is it all about profit/money.
They've got to keep the kop railseating no corporate seats, keep the prices affordable and give the extra seats to local post codes
@@PaulGrayson-gi8puSadly with FSG yes all they care about is making Liverpool valuable so they can sell it on in the future for a profit, they're American investors at the end of day and don't care about the local supporter, Building a new Kop (which I'd love to see)would be a long term investment as it would take a long time for the stand to pay for itself and probably alot longer than FSG would hope to stick around to wait for the debt be paid off and add the value they want