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I just got my Fossil Grey Tank 300 delivered to me 2 weeks ago. I have nothing but good things to say about the car. I'm still not able to understand why people are going crazy about the wheel leaving ground for a fraction of a second, its the case with any Jeep as well or any car with such a boxy design. Like mentioned in the video, this car is not meant for racing so this won't be an issue for normal driving anyways. My car drives so smooth and perfect through the city and many people already approached me asking my thoughts regarding the car as they are concerned about the payload. While I agree the payload is low, I'm not someone who used to tow caravans or trailers anyways, so it doesn't really bother me. I did my research not just based on YT videos, but also the internet and compared this car with other in the similar category in the market and this one really had a lot more to offer for the price. If I had to buy a Toyota Hilux or a Ford Raptor or a Land Cruiser in 2023 for nearly double the price, I would expect some advanced tech and looks/modern design especially in the interior. These Toyota cars look like their interiors were designed in 2015. I test drove all these cars and I honestly couldn't feel any difference in terms of driving capability and comfort but I loved what GWM have done with the Tank's interior (for the fraction of the price). You can call it a copy of Mercedes G-Wagon, but hell, which brand doesn't copy design/tech/or anything in today's market. I know Toyota have been well established in the Australian market since decades but that doesn't mean other manufacturers cars are not worthy enough. I would give this car a 9/10 today, 9 only because you guys who tow trailers and caravans know that this is not for you. Apart from that I would say, you gotta be in it to feel it. I'm least concerned about the resale value as I'll own this car for maybe 6-7 years as soon as the warranty expires, I'll sell it and buy something else. For me, how much money I spend out of my pocket TODAY is more important than what I may get back in 6-7 years. Also market is changing, used vehicles value keeps going up and down. With the quality of cars GWM is throwing at the market today, I personally believe that their cars are going to substantially create a huge presence in the market in next 5-6 years and the value MAY increase. (Again this is just my personal opinion, I may be wrong as well, but who cares). I'm definitely happy with my Tank. Thanks GWM.
Mechanic for 35 years here. Cadogan is 100% on the money. Wheels leaving the ground means that the brake balance is way off, chassis balance is way off, the rear brakes do nothing and ABS can't function - exactly when you need it the most - under emergency braking. It is unforgivable and that alone makes the vehicle inherently dangerous for not only the occupants but also other road users and not fit for purpose. But it's cheap and cash for comment stooges will keep pushing it as we can see here.
Yeah I was really disappointed by his video as well. I've driven hundreds of cars, both on road and off road as well as done some serious 4x4ing and as a proud owner of a Tank 300 and having put it through it's paces it is an INCREDIBLE car. The fact it's half the price of the other big boys as well is what makes it doubly as impressive. His video seemed like clickbait to appease a few Landy and Patrol owners
@@ian9toes wheels lifting does extend the stopping distance, its concerning none the less. And the carry weight? Im not trying to bash the car, i like otherwise, but we have to be objective here.
I have owned my Tank 300 for a week , it is tbe most advanced car I've owned . I still have a Discovery 3 a landcruiser and got out of a Volvo xc 90 to get into Tank. I bought it knowing full well it had a small luggage compartment and low payload. Having driven it for a week I can say the fuel economy is pretty good yes it does dip its nose a little under heavy braking but not alarmingly I did find the flat bonnet a bit difficult to look over at first but got use to it I found the rear view mirror assembly a little distracting ( I'm tall) but got use to it. I heard lots about the ELK system and at first it was a little startling but after I stopped wrestling with it and worked with it using a light touch on the wheel I find it fine. Tbe blinker cancelation did take a little to get use to but it's fine now a week later. I bought it NOT to tow a huge caravan but will tow a small trailer . I bought it because I liked it and still do. The Driving enthusiast Chanel JC refers to did not bag the Tank at all quite the opposite but did mention the braking but this was done under extreme braking and still pulled up In a straight line, you can find pictures on tbe web of a jeep wrangler lifting its rear wheels so high in a similar test you could walk under it . You don't buy a tractor to enter the Formula one circuit you buy it to work on tbe farm. I Like the tank I feel safe in it ( in all my years driving I have never had to brake that hard I felt the ABS work, I drive conservatively I guess) I am happy with it, it was my 50 grand so really that's all that matters
Good summary, and as you said (and as I said too! lol) you'll be ok as long as you understand that it's a tractor you're buying. Not a race car or a diesel locomotive to tow something really heavy.
Thanks Dimitry, the guy is too cool to even test drive cars anymore and goes with “his opinion” based on someone else’s work with addition of some numbers hypotheses thrown in for good measure. Tank stops much better than the wrangler and has full safety credentials unlike the Jeep, as well as being 40k cheaper if we want to compare apples with apples. Don’t take him too seriously, you are doing a good job and are much more honest compare to others out there in my humble opinion.
Thanks mate, I respect John and wouldn't put myself into the same "weight category" as him, but he sensationalises, while I just tell people what I honestly think.
Thanks Dimitry for much mor fair comments. Yes, the Tank 300 is built for off-road with softer suspension, which causes the dive. Although with the 1/8' lift of the rear wheel, Tank 300 with original suspension and stock tyres can achieve braking distance in 42m. With firming suspension and more gripping tyres, I expect that it can achieve even shorter braking distance. For your info - CarExpert recently did a test in 12 popular SUVs, including 100-0km/h braking test. The results are: Ford Everest Platinum V6 @ 44.74m 2492kg Ford Everest Trend Bi-Turbo @ 46.07m 2417kg Isuzu MU-X @ 42.63m 2175kg Nissan Patrol @ 44.99m 2746 kg Jeep Grand Cherokee L @ 40.19m 2190 kg Land Rover Defender 110 D300 @ 42.39m 2348kg Land Rover Defender 110 P525 V8 @ 40.92m 2602kg Lexus LX600 @ 41.76m 2660kg Mitsubishi Pajero Sport @ 45.81m 2,045 to 2,209 kg SsangYong Rexton @ 41.56m 1986 kg Toyota Fortuner @ 43.9m 2350 Kg Toyota LandCruiser 300 @ 42.84m 2630kg Toyota LandCruiser Prado @ 39.03m 2385kg CarExpert also did the test for Tank 300 (2155kg), which has the braking distance of 42.09m, fitting in the normal range. In addition, Tank 300 can pass moose test in 74km/h. You are right, the resell value is a different story. It needs the historical reputation and built quality, which to be approved by time.
I am a subscriber to Auto Expert and you are spot on with JC's presentation style. It's a barrage of info that to the untrained eye make sense. Yes the Tank 300 is not a Towing vehicle BUT the rest is just noise. If you don't Tow and a lot of us don't Tow then the rest of the car is excellent value. Click on Dingo Piss Creek its pretty close to The Fat Cave. Hope your channel goes well. Final comment with AE, you need to separate the Chaff from the Wheat, he is by no means a Moran.
There's a lot to like JC for, as I said, but he is rather jarring to an untrained ear with his barrage of facts and makes it sound like his opinion is the only educated one. For him - controversy is a business mate.
Yes, Controversy, albeit mostly well researched controversy is his business model and a large part of his success. His opinions are largely relevant and based on fact but are skewered towards an audience that laps the stuff up, either on the positive or negative spectrum. Again that's his business model and why he has large appeal. Is what it is.
Also on another note if we compare stopping distance it's not a bad distance by any means. Example 100-0kmh test New bt50 43.60m New 76 series 48.28 Tank 300 42.09 So what's the big deal about the braking when it's stops quicker then two of the mainstream cars sold in similar category
Thanks Demetri, you are spot on. John is great but you need to take him with a grain of salt. I was a subscriber then he bad mouthed my profession showing his true colors.
I agree with your position that any body on frame 4x4 must be driven defensively to avoid getting into trouble in the first place. I also agree with JCs point that there is still an issue with the suspension engineering in the Tank that must be resolved and it isnt a good look for something like that to be an issue for any emerging brand. Having said this all carakers make mistakes, lets see if GWM fix this one quick. On resale, I agree with you. The Toyota's 4x4s have great resale not just because of reliability, but because of aftermarket support, access to an extensive spare parts and dealer network, and the capability to be used for many different applications as used vehicles. The latter is probably the most important aspect as it means they have broad appeal for tradies, young drivers, farmers, families, and grey nomads. The smaller payload, seating capacity, dimensions, and towing capacity for the Tank will probably limit some of the applications that will draw in prospective used buyers, hence resale may be an issue.
I think you are trying to rationalise and explain this lopsided resale value and lack of depreciation on Toyotas vs other vehicles, while it's a completely irrational state of play. Almost a "cult" of Toyota in Australia, not directly or clearly connected to any particular reason that would be valid enough to justify this imbalance... On the rest of it, yeah, Tank 300 fell a little short compared to what I personally needed. Which is a massive shame. But, say, if GWM brings Tank 400 to our shores in 3 years - in time for me to swap the car I'm running a novated lease on right now - I'll be all in.
Cadogan seems to be the yellow press of car reviewers. The fact is that all 4x4s have a 100-0km/h stopping distance that is 5-10m worse than passenger cars. The worst of the bunch is the Ford Ranger Raptor - and the Tank 300 is substantially better than this one in their default configuration (the Tank has road-focused tyres which are better at this anyway). It's about the weight, the height and especially 4x4 tyres which are just crap at braking. If JC is concerned about stopping distance, he should promote a ban on offroad types. And if you use a petrol-powered car for towing, you are doing it wrong, or you are too rich because the fuel economy is abysmal compared to diesel-powered cars - diesel provides more energy and engines produce higher torque. This shouldn't be news, either. As you mentioned - the Tank 300 is a purpose-built car, just like the Wrangler. And it's not good at a lot of things compared to other car types. Do you see the grey nomads using Wranglers for towing? No, you don't. I don't like Chinese manufacturers for many reasons, but you have to give it to them that they are stirring up the industry with surprisingly good cars at unbelievably low prices. And the mainstream players really need a wake-up call. There are certainly reasons for the recent price increases (e.g. the weak AUD) - I'm especially looking at you, Ford - but that's like rolling out the red carpet for the Chinese. FWIW, I once tried to use Cadogan's car broker service - if I went through with what they offered (Pajero Sport), especially for the trade-in (Santa Fe), I would have lost many thousands. That experience also summarizes JC's "substance" in my book.
I just got the tank300 a month ago, understand that it’s not perfect right now, and need to be improve in terms of of software upgrade for the LK (I know it is coming) other than that, I feel excellent and drive with fun and satisfaction😊😊
Please consider depreciation & resale price before you buy any vehicle. Whatever you end up getting, sell it a year before the warranty expires as all modern cars are nightmares to maintain post warranty. You might also want to Google "[insert Brand & model] problem" to get an idea of peoples real life experiences. Another interesting idea is to ring the dealer parts dept and ask to buy a headlight/tail light/drivers door mirror/rear window. Ask how much the part is and if it's in stock. From what I've read, most of these non-Japanese cars have little or no after sales support. Especially with electronic control systems that have no English documentation or dealer diagnostic software !
I am in the market for a new off-road vehicle and have a base model 2018 triton dual cab with 2 inch lift, front and rear lockers, bullbar, rock sliders, steel tray and canopy and have spent over 20k on getting it to where it is. It is a very capable off-road vehicle and I have been really happy with it. I was about to put my money down on a new Pajero sport just over 61k as I have had nothing but a great experience with the Triton. Last week I took the Tank 300 for a test drive and can attest that this car drives fantastic a bit iffy about the indicators but what you get for $51k is astonishing. I still haven’t decided and intend to get a proper test drive for a day before I commit but I am probably 90% sure I’m going to get the Tank. As every car if you are into 4wding you are going to get a lot of aftermarket gear including a front and rear lift with better suspension so this doesn’t really worry me at all. By buying this I can add another 10k of upgrades to get to the price of the Pajero sport. There is only my wife and me now and have sold the caravan so towing is not an issue Resale kind of worries me but I’m 64 and can’t see me buying another 4wd after this and intend to keep the car for at least 10 years. With all the aftermarket gear that is available for these makes it a no brainer for me. By the way I am enjoying your channel, keep up the good work
Thanks for sharing your thoughts mate. I think Tank 300 is very solid and only suffers from Boganlands state of hate for everything China-made (while they keep using their iPhones and wear their China-made pants okay...), so if you buy for your own use long-term, it's fine. If for resale in 2-3 years, then you might lose a bit. My only other comment is that you drive a dual cab but look at Tank.... Two very different vehicles, why not take a closer look at something like Cannon X?
Agree 100% Demetri. There is a humungous difference between unbiased, professional opinions and attention seeking / sensationalism. It's like listening to a politician and believing his promises.
You can always upgrade or replace , the tires. And get name brand brakes with four position calipers Most mechanicals. Can make a few adjustments To keep the vehicle planted , when you break hard
It's 2023 & they all make pretty good cars today. Us who have been driving cars for 20, 30, 40 & 50 plus years, are very happy in any new car today😂?. Coz we know how far car manufacturering has come, especially in the last 20 odd years?. The tiny little electronics glitches & accessories are nothing we ever knew of or needed, a wireless was fine, key start & door was normal, mirrors instead of cameras, & brains instead of sensors to park😂?. And that Tank 300, they can say whatever they want, but it's a solid tank for a price you that will rise by 10-12k in the next couple of years. Get it now, they won't be this cheap for too much longer?.
I agree overall mate. We drove UAZ, Niva, and similar stuff a lot of modern consumer would have no idea about. So JC and a few others could nit pick and say that it doesn't brake well and I'm here shaking my head thinking "what are you on guys, I need some" 🤣
I was considering a Jimny at $27000 now a few years later a bit more popular and now close to $40000. So Tank 300 in a couple of years will be $80000 . An assumption yes, but.
Hi mate, I will disagree on you on this video. I agree with what JC said, the payload and the braking performance is an issue, in my eyes. And he didn't actually bash the car that bad. The only reason I'm not in a T300 is the payload, that's it. I would like to see the same braking performance with an aftermarket suspension set up and see if it improves. What JC was trying to convey, is that whenever you are in a situation where you actually do require to emergency brake, it's always going to be worst case scenario. So your comments about not treating it like a race car missed the point. Otherwise , I actually think his review is a win for GWM and T300. What GWM are good at is customer feedback and improving without waiting for the next generation. So maybe a locally tuned suspension will be be on the cards both addressing the poor payload and braking. Otherwise, keep up your good work. I must of missed the video of you deciding to buy a Toyota, going to have to find that one.
The Toyota reveal video is actually not out yet mate, but I've mentioned it here because a) viewers reprioritised this video for me in their response to a recent poll, and b) Toyota video will be out soon, and so will be this one - so the pointer will start working soon enough! 😉 (and btw I'm ok with disagreement, I just still think JC zooms in on the issues not worth such sensationalism).
@@ValueCarsAU yeah, I understand what you are saying. My biggest pet peeve with him is the length of his paid sponsorships. I don't mind RUclipsrs trying to make a living, but as a paying subscriber, the fact now we are still forced paid sponsorships is beyond me. I prefer the few that book mark it or indicate somehow so it can be skipped. But hey, that's me.
Hi Dmitri. I always enjoy your videos. JC's thumbnail was unfortunate. In the video he more or less, in his abrasive style, admitted that it wasn't a bad car but for those two issues. On to those issues I have some thoughts as someone who is considering the Tank 300. The towing shortfall doesn't bother me much. I've never had a car fitted with a tow bar. I have no interest in towing. Several other review videos have pointed out this shortcoming and although it would have been nice to have the towing ability to improve the general appeal (e.g. at resale) so be it. The problem comes if GWM dealers or tow bar fitters try to sell the car as a towing vehicle. Some customers may not be aware it is not suitable, see the size of the car and assume it is capable, never read the manual and do something dangerous. Not the car's fault mind you. The braking. That annoys me somewhat. On a broader sense it annoys me that ANCAP do not consider braking ability in their tests. Surely the ability not to hit something is the biggest safety signal of all. If ANCAP did test stopping distance, the issue would have been flagged and GWM would have tuned their suspension. Is being airborne for a fraction of a second significant? Maybe not but it does indicate the rear wheels are light for a significant portion of the braking and the end results are quite poor in terms of stopping distance. Yes, you can drive defensively but accidents do happen and speed of impact matters, especially in a heavy, tall car, likely fitted with a bull bar. I suspect most offroad focused vehicles suffer similar problems. Utes have terrible stopping distances. I wonder if after-market suspension or a retune would mitigate the problem. Sorry for the word count!
I'm curious how the Tank 300 brakes after fitting aftermarket suspension. Most people who buy a 4wd for touring and general off roading upgrade their suspension to enable a better ride and some additional ground clearance. I'm sure the pitching forward "issue" would be addressed with a suspension upgrade. Most 4wds come standard with highway tyres and suspension biased towards soft on-road comfort, not more rugged all-terrain tyres and suspension for off road travelling.
Hey Hannah, thanks for the word count! 😉 Well thought-out comment, pleasure to read, would like to see more from you (on other topics/videos)... Re Tank 300... I think it's a solid vehicle. I still stand by what I said - if you like the style but can't afford a Wrangler, here's your choice. Just don't expect to tow effectively or sell it 10 years later for any half-decent amount of money and you'll be good with it for a long time.
The towing capacity limitations (2.55 t GVM, 2.15 t kerb weight, 2.5 t towing capacity, which would produce a 250kg towball download weight - plus 20-35kg for the towbar itself, leaving ~120kg for passengers and luggage) are real. GWM provide these specifications, yet advertise the Tank as a tough vehicle capable of taking what people will throw at it. However these limitations suggest that the frame of the vehicle is not as tough as promoted. Similarly, the braking issue John discusses is not a matter of performance car expectations. It is about the stability of a vehicle in an emergency. The lifted/lightly loaded rear wheels mean that the vehicle will not respond well in a "brake and swerve" emergency. Notwithstanding the "5 star" ANCAP safety rating, the Tank is ranked as "weak" for head and chest protection of a rear-seat passenger in a frontal offset collision. By the way - if you follow John - you will know that he has been equally (if not more) vociferously critical of the Jeep Wrangler - particularly for its tendency to rollover in a partial frontal offset collision test.
I'm not saying that his numbers are "fake". They add up to something, sure. I'm saying that condemning an imperfect (by definition, as any!) vehicle because it can't tow and doesn't break like a better/softer/more expensive SUV/4x4 is an overkill and sensationalism.
If you're buying a 4wd for touring, and not towing a caravan, and getting to places that a 2wd car cant get to, and run it into the ground, then the Tank 300 is great value. Depreciation is only a factor if you replace your car every few years. Im sure the braking issue woukd be addressed with aftermarket suspension, which most people upgrade to improve their vehicle's touring and off road comfort.
I think depreciation is a lot more of an issue than people are willing to admit. Tank 300 after 5 years will still cost less than a Toyota Fortuner. Yes both cars will lose some in the first year. Except, at the present day and age in crazy Australia Fortuner would lose 10% and Tank 300 - 25%.
@@ValueCarsAU depreciation is only an issue if you're the kind of guy who has the need to continuously replace any vehicle he drives after just a few vehicles. In that case you're better off just leasing the vehicle or not buying one in the first place and investing in shares
I agreed with you, there is no perfect car for all applications people just gotta pick the vehicle that will suit them self . But Value for money wise tank is pretty Dan hard to beat for sure with an open eyes of coz😂😂😂
How dare you! John is our everything. Opps. Sorry. My mistake. Pushkin is our everything. But JC is an Australian Pushkin in automotive world. What do they have in common? Drama drives them. So please make your allowances. It’s art which pretends to be an engineering.
So if a car had to stop immediately to avoid an accident at 100kmh and it jumps off the ground or skid due to loss of friction is it normal and safe? In Australia car can go legally 120 kmh in some roads. Or are you saying if you are in a Tank don't get exited if you see 120 sign on road side?
I'm saying don't sensationalise that tank is the only "box on wheels" that breaks EXACTLY the same way as every other box on wheels, truck or most of the mini-buses and vans. Clear?
@@ValueCarsAU agreed. alot of those other Utes or 4x4s have a breaking distance from 100km to 0km of greater than 40m so whats the fuss? It just means you have to drive more defensively than usual. Personally I'm up for a Tank 500 because its the only vehicle that I know of in that class that uses petrol/hybrid rather than a diesel and is fairly priced
Gday Dimitri. Good to catch up with you again. I've watched a number of JC's presentations and certainly do not completely agree with what he says. I take it all with a pinch of salt. I have not driven a Tank 300 or even got close to one yet. Seeing your reviews and many others, it comes across as a great, good value vehicle. GWM make a good quality product. I own a 2021 Haval H6 Ultra and cannot fault it at the moment. The resale value may not be that great but I can assure you after owning Jeep GC and 4 Land rovers, their value is not good either. I read somewhere that the GWM sales have gone past Kia in the last couple of months. I'll follow it up and post. Okay the towing capacity of the Tank 300 is not that great but buyers should do their research first to see what they're buying. As for the braking test. There are many vehicles that have a similar problem, just look at some of the utes and small SUV's on the market. I hope you find your replacement vehicle soon. All the best, Chris. Sunny Coast.👍
Hey Chris. I still think that if you buy and own GWM vehicle for a long time (rather than re-sell in 1-2 years like I've been doing), you'll be absolutely fine. Braking issues for a "box on wheels" are to be expected. Towing? Well, not all cars are built the same and this one costs a lot less than some of those that do tow well. If Tank 300 had more space inside, i.e. the body was longer, I'd buy it and keep it for a long time.
Being a contrarian in order to get clicks from people looking to confirm their biases is profitable. I blocked his content years ago. I prefer open minded, honest, nonsensational information.
Dimitri I think most of John's review is only applicable for those people who are going to do the towing that he refers to. That said, his comments about the brakes are very valid. If the brakes are in fact that bad, how on earth does it get a 5 star ANCAP rating? Again it appears ANCAP ignores the braking issues he is referring to and this is something that we should be mindful of even if we are not going to be towing with a T300.
@@ValueCarsAU I’ve tested around 1000 new vehicles over the years, and none have lifted the rear wheels like this (including Wrangler and Jimny). It is a concern for a new vehicle. Yes it is cheap but this, in my opinion, is an area that shouldn’t be sacrificed. Stopping distance is one thing but what impact that means for stability in an emergency is frightening to think of. Again, when all competitors are able to keep all wheels on the ground. Sincerely appreciate your reference to my video. And I enjoyed yours, thanks. Cheers, Brett
Thanks @drivingenthusiastaustralia, and good job on your video - I was in the middle of producing a bunch of my own, so only referred to what JC mentioned in his video without properly watching your original material, apologies mate.
Dimitri. Hello and I must say I enjoy your content and delivery style. After watching your positive clips on Tank 300, I am surprised to hear you decided not to buy one based on resale value, correct me if I am wrong. It leaves me to think that you do not believe the Australian market will accept it despite many great reviews including yours.The other point I'd like to make is the equivalent Toyota is about $30k more expensive. Factoring in a pessimist depreciation on the Tank and investing the $30K you need for a Toyota at say 4% pa over the life of ownership, i would say there isn't much in it. Is there something else I've missed like you wish to tow your house to dingo creek. It seems to me that you'd prefer to forgo the benefits of the Tank for a perceived financial gain down the track that may not be real. Cheers & have a great day.
Hello, thank you for the comment and you make very sensible and valid points... Yes my decision not to buy Tank 300, in a nutshell, is based on - 1). the recent hit of 25% depreciation of a GWM vehicle after 1 year (can't fathom another one), 2). Tank 300 is *truly* too small inside for my in-car camping plans, 3). GWM electronics including ELK I absolutely hate is still there..., 4). Other usability elements that are not good (watch my recent translated 10k in Tank 300 review. These are the main 4 points. You're right, some of the financial long-term saving might "not be real". But we always make (sometimes flawed, yes) decisions based on what we have experienced and know RIGHT NOW. I'm sure you'd agree?
I think everyone is entitled to their own opinion, including John... But it doesn't cancel the fact that he's a successful click-baiter and a sensationalist.
I've never heard of this car. I only watched this video because it appeared on screen while watching another of John's videos, but i think he is correct to point out a safety flaw in a vehicle. If you have any steering angle on at the point of braking hard enough to lift the back wheels off the ground there is a chance the rear will move to the side and that could mean the start of the crash begins there. As for John throwing facts and figures at the viewer so fast you can't take them in, just pause the video. I've done that several times to open up another page to check on something he has said.
I have the same dilemma regarding the Tank 300 resale value. I wish there was more data available on the reliability and longevity of the 2L turbo engine i.e. carbon build-up on inlet valves. My head says RAV4 Hybrid which leaves me utterly bored, but my heart says have some fun and get the Tank. It will be interesting to see just how bad the depreciation is after a year, could be a secondhand bargain. You should partner up with a mandarin speaker and translate some Chinese videos, after all they have already been on the market there for a few years.
I have my hands full with my own videos plus some Russian translations... 😉 Yes, I hear you - Tank 300 is definitely a lot more "fun", but anything Toyota will basically still cost the same price you paid for it 3 years down the track... It's crazy market in AU, I wish I lived in US instead... lol.
I think the thing is when they miss something as obvious as that brake problem, it erodes confidence thst theyve not missed something else. Stopping is a pretty fundamental part of what makes a car roadworthy
What would John need to say to communicate that the car is so dangerous it shouldn’t be legal to sell in a western context? Yes, John has a provocative style which is part of the entertainment appeal, and he is not always right and even sometimes changed his turn. I’m am myself an engineer and I am not bamboozled by his content. That you don’t have the technical expertise to know why this specific problem with the Tank 300 matters would ideally have stopped you from commenting without first understanding the difference between reality and opinion.
Not many people have John's (or yours?) level of technical expertise, yet they live lives, buy stuff and yes - in spite of your desires to monopolise the "talking" space ONLY if you have a Phd on the matter - we talk and share our opinions. You buy what you paid for. There are lots of imperfect technical solutions - including in cars - that are allowed to be sold on the territories of many countries including AU. I pay taxes. My country has a lot of people who are paid to make sure that the products I buy are of acceptable quality. So yeah, JC (and you?) can go off on your Holy Crusade, just leave us be in our own ignorant bliss.
To settle the "handling under heavy braking" debate, here's a Tank 300 moose test video. ruclips.net/video/T330FDyZMSE/видео.html The original channel test hundreds of models and I don't see any particular reason they would cover up to tank 300. It achieved same passing speed as Audi Q3 and VW Touareg (74km/h).
I get confused with its towing capacity. With 2 average people on board plus 50 kg of luggage on board, will it legally tow a loaded pod trailer weighing 1000 kg. Cheers & have a great day.
Yeah mate I don't tow, which is why I don't try and do fancy maths, comparing those to the official specs. I look at cars for more direct use of how they drive, how I feel in them, and if all my stuff will fit for day-to-day use.
What makes me chuckle is that everyone is moaning about John's very accurate point about the safety yet everyone's reactions is "yeah but it's cheap and the best car ever" I can't wait to see what the durability is a year or two down the line and how wonderful the ownership experience is then. Even buying a GWM vehicle says a lot in the first place 😂
No one says "it's cheap and the best car ever". I'm saying - John is poo-pooing a lot of things that a). don't pay him, and b). are actual and direct competition to things that pay him. Yes, he uses facts to poo-poo stuff. He exaggerates and sensationalises a lot too. This is the summary of my video. Thanks for commenting.
I think the Jimny 5 door is a much, much better option than the Tank for this price range. They are high in demand (low depreciation) are based on decades old proven technology (bullet proof reliability) and there is an unlimited number of aftermarket parts for modification available. It has better offroad specs (approach, departure angles, articulation) The only downside is the engine size but at least it still only uses half as much fuel as the Tank.
Jimny is also tiny (narrow) inside, creatures comforts are nowhere near the Tank, plus you probably can't get them for another year or so, as every Jimny fanatic would have ordered one right now. I don't take Jimny seriously, to be honest. It's an expensive toy for someone who can afford 2+ cars for their household.
I think it's adequate in terms of space. True it's not built for morbidly obese people. Creature comforts are subjective. Many people find the minimalistic approach refreshing. Less to go wrong. Good things come to those who wait.@@ValueCarsAU
@@dune7824 The space is inadequate. Its not built for normal people let alone obese people. Creature comforts aren't subjective and nobody is going to wait on a crappy jimny when the Tank 300 can be easily modified
All from a man who has a Mistubishi Outlander with similar vehicle weight . But here is the punch line "The Mitsubishi can only Tow 1600 kgs" so what the heck is he on about here. Take off his weight of towball etc and he cant tow much compared to the Tank!!!
Are you talking about John? I don't know mate... He's controversial, inconsistent, flipping and changing views in a way that results in more controversy = more views = more $$ from Google. I don't blame him, just not my cup of tea.
I don't argue that GWM needs to tune it better. I argue that almost every box on wheels brakes similarly, and you as the driver need to be extra careful.
Interesting video, looking back to the early 70's and 80's the Japanese and later the Korean and now Chinese car market was a threat to the European car market, and a lot of car journo's had a lot of bad things to say about them, what they didn't realise was that they were feeding these car makers and they saw this as positive feedback and kept improving on their cars and look at them now. I have seen video's of the Tank 300 , how they get abused and taken to the max of their capabilities and I can see why how this can form a threat to existing 4WD car makers. To be fair I think you can always find a flaw in any product but you also need to look at how you as a consumer will use it. Thanks for putting up the video
Completely agree mate, and thank you for expressing an intelligent point of view here. Yes, Chinese car makers listen (some of them, like GWM, anyway...) and improve. The only problem I'm seeing with them right now on the market is their attempt to come too close on the pricing of their vehicles to Japanese and other rivals. This attempt is bound to fail, at least in Australia, due to how our local buyers think. The rest of it - yes, they'll improve, like Koreans did in their time. And Tank 300 is a great example of a vehicle that's much cheaper but not much worse than it's direct competition.
Not about racing septic tank 300,it's about emergency braking, if wheels come of the ground while braking that is not good at all,it's that simple,not safe,suspension needs to be recalibrated,not bagging out rest of the car,just the unsafe braking, John is not the only one saying that
Ok, fair enough, he also has a poo icon on the thumbnail. It's a good car for what it is. All boxes on wheels brake badly. Not all 4x4 city made vehicles are towing powerhouses. That's what I'm saying.
I personally have refused to watch JC content on the Tank 300 as you just know from get go he's going to bag it out, with all it's good features/points he'll just bag it out. I did watch the video he acquired his content from. When I tried to put the braking issue into prospective, the reply was I was trying to justify GWM Tanks poor quality. No. GWM have fitted the Tank with Rotors, Calipers & Pads that grip the front well enough to lift the rear, thats seriously good brakes. The std. Mitchelin rubber obviously grips well also. Other comparisons show the Tank 300 stopping in a shorter distance and time than competitors under same braking on same surface. My point was, no one emergency braking as demonstrated is going to be concerned that the rear wheels are momentarily off the road surface. If you have left your braking this late, you'll be focused on what you're going to hit and if you'll get hurt or survive the impending impact. The only true scenario I can see this being an issue is on an open highway at speed and a Kangaroo hops infront of you. Certainly brake as hard as required to keep control, do not swerve, you may loose control, strike the roo at reduced speed. To some this is insensitive but the alternative is far worse. What is the point of you swerving into the path of another vehicle, or losing control and crashing, worse scenarios, rolling and said roo bounds off whilst you and your passengers are injured. I can imagine after all that occured you're going to say, oh shit the wheels lifting caused that. No, just drive to your abilities, the cars ability and always with consideration the cars, trucks, bikes, fauna around you may cause you to utilise emergency braking, just keep it in control.
I've written it up logically & in prospective BUT apparently I'm attempting to justify GWM poor build quality of a deadly serious issue, 😂🤣. The tank 300 stops in good time & distance irrespective. Why are they overlooking that? Hmm. Just needed to sensationalise and find something to bag a good product out on. (Cripes, it Chinese, we need to find a fault & sensationalise it.) I'd buy this with confidence myself.
Ill take a engineers opinion on this than yours sorry. Not all other cars shaped like this do anything like this. Brakes like this around the corner are deadly. Nobody is saying theyre racing cars but if youre doing 110 on a backroad or in the country and need to brake at a high velocity its no safe , not even close.
I agree with Cadogan in the sense that the Tank 300 handling characteristics are something that the engineers need to address. If they don't fix this issue over time then his complaints are on point. Here in India it appears the only Chinese vehicles around are a MG which looks like an oversized HS. Could be a cooperation with TATA I think which means there will be many more to come. No other Chinese brands at all. The passenger car market is dominated (probably 90%) by Maruti Suzuki, 4WD mostly Mahindra.
Hey, I didn't know you've left our shores yet! Hope life is treating you well mate. Yes Indian market would be very different from any other, and they probably can monopolise and self-contain it given the high population and low average income if you consider importing pretty much any brand (unless it's rather cheap, like MG). Just common sense-based guessing on my part.
Dimitri: Thank you for your honest and informative opinion. I must however point out that no one has considered one of Johns most important points regarding Tank 300. That being parent company attitude towards consumer complaints. Having owned another “cheap” alternative to a 4x4 that had multiple issues which were NEVER properly addressed by the manufacturer I must support his conclusions on the brand in general and the Vehicle in particular. In conclusion I agree with your assessment of the Vehicle’s performance BUT as I found out the hard way; Any vehicle is only as good as its manufacturers back up. Regards; Pestie01.
Sorry to hear you had bad experience with GWM support, that's definitely a side line to the whole discussion, but then - we have plenty of examples where customers get pushed away even by more established brands. How do you win?
I also like John’s videos and charisma but I agree. I’d respect his opinion more if he got in one and drove it off road in the same way he did with the Mitsubishi outlander PHEV.
Except mate... Mitsubishi Execs flew him over, wined and dined him, and generally promised to be very nice to him, and he graciously accepted the invitation... It's kinda a buttered up "correction" video you're talking about. Of course, anyone is entitled to change their opinion, and I respect Mitsubishi for acting the way they did, but frankly - as much as I enjoyED JC's content, I find it more and more biased and commercial these days.
Am I alone in noticeing the established and paid car review guys are not living in the real world and have been spoilt with free use of vehicles and have no sense of the value for money your average Joe is looking for (especially in today's economy) John and many other car review guys bash GWM and other car manufacturers attempting to provide Ozzie's a fair deal. It's possible in my opinion the main players in vehicle sales have buttered up, paid, taken to the strippers etc as now some of their car reviews sound insincere and in the TANK case dishonest. I've unsubscribed to any car review channel that gave a selective bias review as that's un Australian mate.
Mate I don't disagree with your general sentiment. I do believe that majority of mainstream media auto-review outlets are a "sell-out" (of sorts, in any case). JC however is not really a "sell-out" by definition. Instead, he found HIS OWN niche of being the self-made brand of one man against them all (and lucky for him, relying on his own source of income rather than those brand-sponsored freebies or extra bucks here or there).
Lool, for example kids will not run in front of Tank 300 because they will know that this is not a car for racing. When A class rolled over on moose test it was also a niche thing. Also not a car for racing drivers. But Mercedes recalled them all and installed ESP, because they understood that kids do not cjoose the car to run in front.
You're missing the point. With your logic you (and JC) should ban ANY "box on wheels" car, and most trucks, why not, while you're at it... You're idealists and theoreticians who don't live in a real world. Go "lol" somewhere else.
@@ValueCarsAU Well, that is you opinion. But if they messed up such important thing that can be relativelly easily visible, what else they cost optimized? Whatever. You again went for messenger discreditation (as in case of JC) instead of commenting a normal driving situation that can occur to any vehicle, even if it is not bought for racing.
@@ValueCarsAU My point is the poor quality of construction in Chinese vehicle is not always apparent when they are new. But it becomes very obvious the more miles they do and the older they get. I used to have used cars valued as potential trade in's and that is when you can see the construction quality of a car not when they are new and shiny.
Fair point, but I translate and follow disassembly of those vehicles and yes - some of them are definitely pretty bad - but Tank is actually pretty good. I assume you've watched those translated videos of mine? Glad you're not a troll. Can't assume or tell these days, sorry. Too much crap poured into my comments by many people.
Dimitry. I agree with you that John often overplays issues with cars BUT it is impossible to overplay the importance of wheels coming off the road under heavy braking. Yes; we should always drive defensively but all modern cars have ABS because there will be one second in the next five years when you have to hit the brakes very hard. If the car is not good enough to cope with that one second, then it should not be on the road. No price, cuteness, off-road ability or any other feature will make up for that one second when a kid runs onto the road. Dave D
Dave, I don't disagree that wheels coming off the road etc are a bad thing. But a lot of people miss the point I'm trying to make. ANY "box on wheels" is dangerous and will have similar braking pattern and the need to be extra cautious as a driver, OR to be banned in the cities and school zones etc entirely. Oh, and don't forget most trucks of various shapes and sizes while you're at it. You and JC can like or dislike whatever you want, but that's a much bigger campaign you're talking about than just pretending that Tank 300 "is the worst".
ruclips.net/video/bCrgGxQ8tH0/видео.htmlsi=FghX2xNCzoqZpWMw Have a look a real world testing then, rather than just have an opinion. The Tank passed every AEB test ancap did on it. Now compare that to the most popular selling cars in Australia... utes. How many of them even come with AEB?
I Agree with you. John is too negative towards the Tank300, which could be the car of the year if people are fair dinkum. Too many Chinese car haters like John. Look, this is the fact, many Good Chinese cars are coming: Tank 400, 500, maybe 700. There is a les known to us but very, very good card: ChangAn. John, if you ever watching this, calling Tank 300 a piece of, is just too far. Look at Ancap's frontal crash report, find another car with driver and passenger ALL full score.
Lol JC would never watch something like this mate, and I agree - he is way way too negative, but he gets what he's after - an emotional response from the viewers, which results in views on his videos, which results in $$$. That's all he cares about (and he's a businessman, I don't really blame him...)
He's running a business mate, of course his views are very heavily biased based on partnerships and a whole bunch of factors I wouldn't even start speculating on
He makes his living from hating everything, just like Scotty KIlmer. It gets the point after a while you don't even have to watch their videos, yet people still do for some reason.
What I don't get - really - is how that Scotty Kilmer guy got so many subs (and views). He's IMPOSSIBLE to watch. He talks too fast, blurts some crap out with a lightning speed - I really don't get what made him so popular? John can be entertaining though! 😉
@@ValueCarsAU The only thing I can figure out is that "the kids" like his presentation. By kids I mean the 18-30 year old's that don't really know anything about car repair. They hang on every word he says. All the seasoned mechanics think he's full of beans 95% of the time.
JC is factual, objective and thorough while being very entertaining but agree that there are additional subjective considerations that must be made to form a final decision on purchase being one's own circumstances, thoughts and opinions. Having access to all this information will inevitably allow the potential purchaser to make the correct informed decision.
Exactly, I agree - we need to hear the good and the bad. John is doing a good job, he is just an absolutist in his statements and a sensationalist, as I've mentioned.
Like you said if you are not towing Or doing much of roading Or carry much wait And you want a good resale Then don’t buy the tank 300. Exactly what John said 😂 Oh and the braking issue is reasonably serious
Funny! And I see what you did there! It's an amazing toy for a reasonable city driver or a solo off-roader. I'd compare it to Suzuki Jimny, with higher usability. No, it's not for towing, big ef-n deal.
@@ValueCarsAU Yep agreed It’s basically a mall crawler. But a lot of people and car reviewers are trying to sell this as a serious competitor to the other capable of road vehicles. When it is clearly not
@@tomhicks1009There is a channel called Dash off road which tests 4WDs. They matched a Tank 300 in off road conditions against Nissan patrols. The tank outperformed the Nissan on extreme 4WD tests so not just a mall crawler but a serious off roader.
I watched many if his videos & I respect him but I mostly disagree with him too because..either way he goes with his opinion he superlatives it as if its the only thing that matters..but what I can't stand more than anything is the fact that he mostly talks by numbers on paper & not actual testing, test drives or even ownership..I also have a problem..to ve an expert I thino you need to be more open minded to reality & not just numbers &what they might mean in isolated extreme situation or incedent!
For the style of the car, the stopping time and breaking distance is amazing from the data car expert spreadsheet shows. We got a second hand Rav 4 - 2020 model for 38k and sold it 1 year later to buy the tank - got $29k. Used car market is not what it used to be.
No, it's not what it used to be, you're right... But it all depends on the age and condition I suppose, but I'd think you could sell Rav 4 for more than that
@@ValueCarsAU they are junk .. Farmers like them though apparently they last forever . I could never by a Chinese car .. the CCP use slaves in the production line
While you're on your high horse, do you or your family or your close friends by any chance use a slave-built iPhone? Or wear basically any pair of pants (likely made across the road from there by the other slaves too?) 🙄
Hey Mate. Great to see you watching my videos. I strongly standby my research and opinion on the Tank 300. It is rubbish! I also don't appreciate you bad mouthing my content. Wake up to yourself! You can keep that coffee to yourself mate 👍
Hello JC impersonator. Firstly, learn to spell. Secondly, JC would laugh his ass off at what (and how) you wrote to me. Finally, this is not a JC handle on RUclips... 🤣
Totally agree with you mate. Straight away watched the guys video and it’s obvious he didn’t even drive the car and forms his opinion on hearsay. Read a lot of the comments on that video as well and I’d say 80% of them don’t agree with his “conclusions “ Hoping to collect my Tank next week , can’t wait.
Please consider depreciation & resale price before you buy any vehicle. Whatever you end up buying, sell it a year before the warranty expires. You might also want to Google "[Brand & model] problem" to get an idea of peoples experiences. Another fun idea is to ring the dealer parts dept and ask to buy a headlight/tail light/drivers door/rear window. Ask how much the part is and if it's in stock. From what I've read, some of these cars have little or no dealer tech support. Especially with electronic control system problems.
As I keep saying, I think Tank 300 is a (very) solid vehicle and a great choice for those people who have carefully considered it against their realistic uses. I've listed my thoughts on what I'd take into consideration and if you have ticked all of your own boxes, mate, I'm very happy for you and somewhat jealous of your fun tank arriving soon! 😎👌
Hearsay is completely different to facts. Seems like you people who own one or about to purchase one get all butt hurt when someone throws a few facts about the cars safety.
@@edwardfletcher7790 resale value isn't important if you're planning to own the car for quite some time. if you're that concerned don't buy one in the first place. invest your money into something else
A well deserved shoutout to @drivingenthusiastaustralia who did the braking test on Tank 300 (video linked in the description) for his work and efforts he put into the test. My thoughts on how JC presented this information should not be taken as me criticising the creator of that source video - it's a solid material worth your attention on its own! 👌
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I just got my Fossil Grey Tank 300 delivered to me 2 weeks ago. I have nothing but good things to say about the car. I'm still not able to understand why people are going crazy about the wheel leaving ground for a fraction of a second, its the case with any Jeep as well or any car with such a boxy design. Like mentioned in the video, this car is not meant for racing so this won't be an issue for normal driving anyways. My car drives so smooth and perfect through the city and many people already approached me asking my thoughts regarding the car as they are concerned about the payload. While I agree the payload is low, I'm not someone who used to tow caravans or trailers anyways, so it doesn't really bother me.
I did my research not just based on YT videos, but also the internet and compared this car with other in the similar category in the market and this one really had a lot more to offer for the price. If I had to buy a Toyota Hilux or a Ford Raptor or a Land Cruiser in 2023 for nearly double the price, I would expect some advanced tech and looks/modern design especially in the interior. These Toyota cars look like their interiors were designed in 2015. I test drove all these cars and I honestly couldn't feel any difference in terms of driving capability and comfort but I loved what GWM have done with the Tank's interior (for the fraction of the price). You can call it a copy of Mercedes G-Wagon, but hell, which brand doesn't copy design/tech/or anything in today's market.
I know Toyota have been well established in the Australian market since decades but that doesn't mean other manufacturers cars are not worthy enough. I would give this car a 9/10 today, 9 only because you guys who tow trailers and caravans know that this is not for you. Apart from that I would say, you gotta be in it to feel it. I'm least concerned about the resale value as I'll own this car for maybe 6-7 years as soon as the warranty expires, I'll sell it and buy something else. For me, how much money I spend out of my pocket TODAY is more important than what I may get back in 6-7 years. Also market is changing, used vehicles value keeps going up and down. With the quality of cars GWM is throwing at the market today, I personally believe that their cars are going to substantially create a huge presence in the market in next 5-6 years and the value MAY increase. (Again this is just my personal opinion, I may be wrong as well, but who cares). I'm definitely happy with my Tank. Thanks GWM.
All very good points, subjective opinion obviously - as we all have our own, but for what it's worth - I agree with everything you said.
Mechanic for 35 years here. Cadogan is 100% on the money. Wheels leaving the ground means that the brake balance is way off, chassis balance is way off, the rear brakes do nothing and ABS can't function - exactly when you need it the most - under emergency braking. It is unforgivable and that alone makes the vehicle inherently dangerous for not only the occupants but also other road users and not fit for purpose. But it's cheap and cash for comment stooges will keep pushing it as we can see here.
Yeah I was really disappointed by his video as well. I've driven hundreds of cars, both on road and off road as well as done some serious 4x4ing and as a proud owner of a Tank 300 and having put it through it's paces it is an INCREDIBLE car. The fact it's half the price of the other big boys as well is what makes it doubly as impressive. His video seemed like clickbait to appease a few Landy and Patrol owners
Exactly mate. The right tools for the right job. So what, it doesn't tow. But it costs peanuts and off-roads like a champion. There we go.
Whats your honest opinion on the poor carry weight and back wheels lifting off the ground during emergency braking?
@@jimbokilo I’ve owned cars where I’ve never had to emergency brake them. And when those wheels lifted what happened?nothing.
@@ian9toes wheels lifting does extend the stopping distance, its concerning none the less. And the carry weight? Im not trying to bash the car, i like otherwise, but we have to be objective here.
I have owned my Tank 300 for a week , it is tbe most advanced car I've owned . I still have a Discovery 3 a landcruiser and got out of a Volvo xc 90 to get into Tank. I bought it knowing full well it had a small luggage compartment and low payload. Having driven it for a week I can say the fuel economy is pretty good yes it does dip its nose a little under heavy braking but not alarmingly I did find the flat bonnet a bit difficult to look over at first but got use to it I found the rear view mirror assembly a little distracting ( I'm tall) but got use to it. I heard lots about the ELK system and at first it was a little startling but after I stopped wrestling with it and worked with it using a light touch on the wheel I find it fine. Tbe blinker cancelation did take a little to get use to but it's fine now a week later.
I bought it NOT to tow a huge caravan but will tow a small trailer .
I bought it because I liked it and still do.
The Driving enthusiast Chanel JC refers to did not bag the Tank at all quite the opposite but did mention the braking but this was done under extreme braking and still pulled up
In a straight line, you can find pictures on tbe web of a jeep wrangler lifting its rear wheels so high in a similar test you could walk under it .
You don't buy a tractor to enter the Formula one circuit you buy it to work on tbe farm.
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Like the tank I feel safe in it ( in all my years driving I have never had to brake that hard I felt the ABS work, I drive conservatively I guess)
I am happy with it, it was my 50 grand so really that's all that matters
Good summary, and as you said (and as I said too! lol) you'll be ok as long as you understand that it's a tractor you're buying. Not a race car or a diesel locomotive to tow something really heavy.
What fuel consumption are you averaging? What percentage would you say you drive most on city and highway?
@@alexbarquin9 around 10 to the hundred according to the on board computer which is way better than my petrol discovery or LC
Thanks Dimitry, the guy is too cool to even test drive cars anymore and goes with “his opinion” based on someone else’s work with addition of some numbers hypotheses thrown in for good measure. Tank stops much better than the wrangler and has full safety credentials unlike the Jeep, as well as being 40k cheaper if we want to compare apples with apples.
Don’t take him too seriously, you are doing a good job and are much more honest compare to others out there in my humble opinion.
Thanks mate, I respect John and wouldn't put myself into the same "weight category" as him, but he sensationalises, while I just tell people what I honestly think.
I believe he struggles to get test drives due to him not pulling any punches and also the fact he's not on the manufactures payroll.
Thanks Dimitry for much mor fair comments. Yes, the Tank 300 is built for off-road with softer suspension, which causes the dive.
Although with the 1/8' lift of the rear wheel, Tank 300 with original suspension and stock tyres can achieve braking distance in 42m. With firming suspension and more gripping tyres, I expect that it can achieve even shorter braking distance.
For your info - CarExpert recently did a test in 12 popular SUVs, including 100-0km/h braking test. The results are:
Ford Everest Platinum V6 @ 44.74m 2492kg
Ford Everest Trend Bi-Turbo @ 46.07m 2417kg
Isuzu MU-X @ 42.63m 2175kg
Nissan Patrol @ 44.99m 2746 kg
Jeep Grand Cherokee L @ 40.19m 2190 kg
Land Rover Defender 110 D300 @ 42.39m 2348kg
Land Rover Defender 110 P525 V8 @ 40.92m 2602kg
Lexus LX600 @ 41.76m 2660kg
Mitsubishi Pajero Sport @ 45.81m 2,045 to 2,209 kg
SsangYong Rexton @ 41.56m 1986 kg
Toyota Fortuner @ 43.9m 2350 Kg
Toyota LandCruiser 300 @ 42.84m 2630kg
Toyota LandCruiser Prado @ 39.03m 2385kg
CarExpert also did the test for Tank 300 (2155kg), which has the braking distance of 42.09m, fitting in the normal range.
In addition, Tank 300 can pass moose test in 74km/h.
You are right, the resell value is a different story. It needs the historical reputation and built quality, which to be approved by time.
Thank you for a very informative comment, really appreciate it, and hope more viewers read it too.
I'm in China, had the car a year... Great thing is they don't depreciate badly domestically, they keep their value here.
Oh that's great to hear indeed. In Australia everything (that is not Toyota 🤣🤷♀️🙄) depreciates like no tomorrow...
I am a subscriber to Auto Expert and you are spot on with JC's presentation style. It's a barrage of info that to the untrained eye make sense. Yes the Tank 300 is not a Towing vehicle BUT the rest is just noise. If you don't Tow and a lot of us don't Tow then the rest of the car is excellent value. Click on Dingo Piss Creek its pretty close to The Fat Cave. Hope your channel goes well. Final comment with AE, you need to separate the Chaff from the Wheat, he is by no means a Moran.
There's a lot to like JC for, as I said, but he is rather jarring to an untrained ear with his barrage of facts and makes it sound like his opinion is the only educated one. For him - controversy is a business mate.
Yes, Controversy, albeit mostly well researched controversy is his business model and a large part of his success. His opinions are largely relevant and based on fact but are skewered towards an audience that laps the stuff up, either on the positive or negative spectrum. Again that's his business model and why he has large appeal. Is what it is.
Also on another note if we compare stopping distance it's not a bad distance by any means.
Example
100-0kmh test
New bt50
43.60m
New 76 series
48.28
Tank 300
42.09
So what's the big deal about the braking when it's stops quicker then two of the mainstream cars sold in similar category
Exactly mate, no big deal at all. Will drop you an email in your box to check something, please check it out.
I unsubscribed to him long time ago he got boring, predictable and very opinionated
Thinks he’s the bees knees big ego
He totally does! 🤣 But that's what I like about him (in a weird way). But as you can see, I disagree with him a lot.
No worries mate. Listen to this clown Dimtri instead
Thanks Demetri, you are spot on. John is great but you need to take him with a grain of salt. I was a subscriber then he bad mouthed my profession showing his true colors.
JC can be jarring mate, I agree with you, which is why I take him only in small doses! 🤣
I agree with you Demitri. Keep up the good reviews. The Russian translations are so good.
More coming soon, thanks mate
I agree with your position that any body on frame 4x4 must be driven defensively to avoid getting into trouble in the first place. I also agree with JCs point that there is still an issue with the suspension engineering in the Tank that must be resolved and it isnt a good look for something like that to be an issue for any emerging brand. Having said this all carakers make mistakes, lets see if GWM fix this one quick. On resale, I agree with you. The Toyota's 4x4s have great resale not just because of reliability, but because of aftermarket support, access to an extensive spare parts and dealer network, and the capability to be used for many different applications as used vehicles. The latter is probably the most important aspect as it means they have broad appeal for tradies, young drivers, farmers, families, and grey nomads. The smaller payload, seating capacity, dimensions, and towing capacity for the Tank will probably limit some of the applications that will draw in prospective used buyers, hence resale may be an issue.
I think you are trying to rationalise and explain this lopsided resale value and lack of depreciation on Toyotas vs other vehicles, while it's a completely irrational state of play. Almost a "cult" of Toyota in Australia, not directly or clearly connected to any particular reason that would be valid enough to justify this imbalance... On the rest of it, yeah, Tank 300 fell a little short compared to what I personally needed. Which is a massive shame. But, say, if GWM brings Tank 400 to our shores in 3 years - in time for me to swap the car I'm running a novated lease on right now - I'll be all in.
Cadogan seems to be the yellow press of car reviewers. The fact is that all 4x4s have a 100-0km/h stopping distance that is 5-10m worse than passenger cars. The worst of the bunch is the Ford Ranger Raptor - and the Tank 300 is substantially better than this one in their default configuration (the Tank has road-focused tyres which are better at this anyway). It's about the weight, the height and especially 4x4 tyres which are just crap at braking. If JC is concerned about stopping distance, he should promote a ban on offroad types.
And if you use a petrol-powered car for towing, you are doing it wrong, or you are too rich because the fuel economy is abysmal compared to diesel-powered cars - diesel provides more energy and engines produce higher torque. This shouldn't be news, either. As you mentioned - the Tank 300 is a purpose-built car, just like the Wrangler. And it's not good at a lot of things compared to other car types. Do you see the grey nomads using Wranglers for towing? No, you don't.
I don't like Chinese manufacturers for many reasons, but you have to give it to them that they are stirring up the industry with surprisingly good cars at unbelievably low prices. And the mainstream players really need a wake-up call. There are certainly reasons for the recent price increases (e.g. the weak AUD) - I'm especially looking at you, Ford - but that's like rolling out the red carpet for the Chinese.
FWIW, I once tried to use Cadogan's car broker service - if I went through with what they offered (Pajero Sport), especially for the trade-in (Santa Fe), I would have lost many thousands. That experience also summarizes JC's "substance" in my book.
Very good and balanced write up and I pretty much agree with everything you've said (better than I did in the video) mate.
I just got the tank300 a month ago, understand that it’s not perfect right now, and need to be improve in terms of of software upgrade for the LK (I know it is coming) other than that, I feel excellent and drive with fun and satisfaction😊😊
It's definitely a very fun vehicle (judging by my test drives of it), and I can say - I'm even a little jealous! 🤣
What is LK?
I'm curious as was considering Tank 300
I'm still considering a Tank 300, but not until the end of 2024, so hopefully any teething problems will have been addressed by then.
This isn’t the first tank model..just the first in Australia
Nothing is wrong with Tank 300, I'll repeat myself. As long as the buyer knows exactly what this vehicle is (and is NOT).
Please consider depreciation & resale price before you buy any vehicle.
Whatever you end up getting, sell it a year before the warranty expires as all modern cars are nightmares to maintain post warranty.
You might also want to Google "[insert Brand & model] problem" to get an idea of peoples real life experiences.
Another interesting idea is to ring the dealer parts dept and ask to buy a headlight/tail light/drivers door mirror/rear window. Ask how much the part is and if it's in stock.
From what I've read, most of these non-Japanese cars have little or no after sales support.
Especially with electronic control systems that have no English documentation or dealer diagnostic software !
I am in the market for a new off-road vehicle and have a base model 2018 triton dual cab with 2 inch lift, front and rear lockers, bullbar, rock sliders, steel tray and canopy and have spent over 20k on getting it to where it is. It is a very capable off-road vehicle and I have been really happy with it. I was about to put my money down on a new Pajero sport just over 61k as I have had nothing but a great experience with the Triton.
Last week I took the Tank 300 for a test drive and can attest that this car drives fantastic a bit iffy about the indicators but what you get for $51k is astonishing. I still haven’t decided and intend to get a proper test drive for a day before I commit but I am probably 90% sure I’m going to get the Tank.
As every car if you are into 4wding you are going to get a lot of aftermarket gear including a front and rear lift with better suspension so this doesn’t really worry me at all. By buying this I can add another 10k of upgrades to get to the price of the Pajero sport.
There is only my wife and me now and have sold the caravan so towing is not an issue
Resale kind of worries me but I’m 64 and can’t see me buying another 4wd after this and intend to keep the car for at least 10 years.
With all the aftermarket gear that is available for these makes it a no brainer for me.
By the way I am enjoying your channel, keep up the good work
Thanks for sharing your thoughts mate. I think Tank 300 is very solid and only suffers from Boganlands state of hate for everything China-made (while they keep using their iPhones and wear their China-made pants okay...), so if you buy for your own use long-term, it's fine. If for resale in 2-3 years, then you might lose a bit. My only other comment is that you drive a dual cab but look at Tank.... Two very different vehicles, why not take a closer look at something like Cannon X?
Agree 100% Demetri. There is a humungous difference between unbiased, professional opinions and attention seeking / sensationalism. It's like listening to a politician and believing his promises.
I agree, but at the same time admire the commercial success of someone utilising this kind of people engagement strategy.
@@ValueCarsAU Absolutely yes. The mere fact that we are debating this proves your point. There is no denying that.
You can always upgrade or replace , the tires. And get name brand brakes with four position calipers
Most mechanicals. Can make a few adjustments
To keep the vehicle planted , when you break hard
Yes there are always ways to overcome variety of shortfalls, I agree.
It's 2023 & they all make pretty good cars today. Us who have been driving cars for 20, 30, 40 & 50 plus years, are very happy in any new car today😂?. Coz we know how far car manufacturering has come, especially in the last 20 odd years?. The tiny little electronics glitches & accessories are nothing we ever knew of or needed, a wireless was fine, key start & door was normal, mirrors instead of cameras, & brains instead of sensors to park😂?. And that Tank 300, they can say whatever they want, but it's a solid tank for a price you that will rise by 10-12k in the next couple of years. Get it now, they won't be this cheap for too much longer?.
I agree overall mate. We drove UAZ, Niva, and similar stuff a lot of modern consumer would have no idea about. So JC and a few others could nit pick and say that it doesn't brake well and I'm here shaking my head thinking "what are you on guys, I need some" 🤣
@@ValueCarsAU thanks mate, 👍.
I was considering a Jimny at $27000 now a few years later a bit more popular and now close to $40000. So Tank 300 in a couple of years will be $80000 . An assumption yes, but.
Hi mate, I will disagree on you on this video. I agree with what JC said, the payload and the braking performance is an issue, in my eyes. And he didn't actually bash the car that bad. The only reason I'm not in a T300 is the payload, that's it. I would like to see the same braking performance with an aftermarket suspension set up and see if it improves. What JC was trying to convey, is that whenever you are in a situation where you actually do require to emergency brake, it's always going to be worst case scenario. So your comments about not treating it like a race car missed the point.
Otherwise , I actually think his review is a win for GWM and T300. What GWM are good at is customer feedback and improving without waiting for the next generation. So maybe a locally tuned suspension will be be on the cards both addressing the poor payload and braking.
Otherwise, keep up your good work. I must of missed the video of you deciding to buy a Toyota, going to have to find that one.
The Toyota reveal video is actually not out yet mate, but I've mentioned it here because a) viewers reprioritised this video for me in their response to a recent poll, and b) Toyota video will be out soon, and so will be this one - so the pointer will start working soon enough! 😉 (and btw I'm ok with disagreement, I just still think JC zooms in on the issues not worth such sensationalism).
@@ValueCarsAU yeah, I understand what you are saying. My biggest pet peeve with him is the length of his paid sponsorships. I don't mind RUclipsrs trying to make a living, but as a paying subscriber, the fact now we are still forced paid sponsorships is beyond me. I prefer the few that book mark it or indicate somehow so it can be skipped. But hey, that's me.
Hi Dmitri. I always enjoy your videos. JC's thumbnail was unfortunate. In the video he more or less, in his abrasive style, admitted that it wasn't a bad car but for those two issues. On to those issues I have some thoughts as someone who is considering the Tank 300.
The towing shortfall doesn't bother me much. I've never had a car fitted with a tow bar. I have no interest in towing. Several other review videos have pointed out this shortcoming and although it would have been nice to have the towing ability to improve the general appeal (e.g. at resale) so be it. The problem comes if GWM dealers or tow bar fitters try to sell the car as a towing vehicle. Some customers may not be aware it is not suitable, see the size of the car and assume it is capable, never read the manual and do something dangerous. Not the car's fault mind you.
The braking. That annoys me somewhat. On a broader sense it annoys me that ANCAP do not consider braking ability in their tests. Surely the ability not to hit something is the biggest safety signal of all. If ANCAP did test stopping distance, the issue would have been flagged and GWM would have tuned their suspension. Is being airborne for a fraction of a second significant? Maybe not but it does indicate the rear wheels are light for a significant portion of the braking and the end results are quite poor in terms of stopping distance. Yes, you can drive defensively but accidents do happen and speed of impact matters, especially in a heavy, tall car, likely fitted with a bull bar. I suspect most offroad focused vehicles suffer similar problems. Utes have terrible stopping distances. I wonder if after-market suspension or a retune would mitigate the problem.
Sorry for the word count!
I'm curious how the Tank 300 brakes after fitting aftermarket suspension. Most people who buy a 4wd for touring and general off roading upgrade their suspension to enable a better ride and some additional ground clearance.
I'm sure the pitching forward "issue" would be addressed with a suspension upgrade.
Most 4wds come standard with highway tyres and suspension biased towards soft on-road comfort, not more rugged all-terrain tyres and suspension for off road travelling.
Hey Hannah, thanks for the word count! 😉 Well thought-out comment, pleasure to read, would like to see more from you (on other topics/videos)... Re Tank 300... I think it's a solid vehicle. I still stand by what I said - if you like the style but can't afford a Wrangler, here's your choice. Just don't expect to tow effectively or sell it 10 years later for any half-decent amount of money and you'll be good with it for a long time.
The towing capacity limitations (2.55 t GVM, 2.15 t kerb weight, 2.5 t towing capacity, which would produce a 250kg towball download weight - plus 20-35kg for the towbar itself, leaving ~120kg for passengers and luggage) are real. GWM provide these specifications, yet advertise the Tank as a tough vehicle capable of taking what people will throw at it. However these limitations suggest that the frame of the vehicle is not as tough as promoted.
Similarly, the braking issue John discusses is not a matter of performance car expectations. It is about the stability of a vehicle in an emergency. The lifted/lightly loaded rear wheels mean that the vehicle will not respond well in a "brake and swerve" emergency.
Notwithstanding the "5 star" ANCAP safety rating, the Tank is ranked as "weak" for head and chest protection of a rear-seat passenger in a frontal offset collision.
By the way - if you follow John - you will know that he has been equally (if not more) vociferously critical of the Jeep Wrangler - particularly for its tendency to rollover in a partial frontal offset collision test.
I'm not saying that his numbers are "fake". They add up to something, sure. I'm saying that condemning an imperfect (by definition, as any!) vehicle because it can't tow and doesn't break like a better/softer/more expensive SUV/4x4 is an overkill and sensationalism.
All towing "numbers" are bogus. There's no way of accurately measuring something like that. You just have to do it and try.
If you're buying a 4wd for touring, and not towing a caravan, and getting to places that a 2wd car cant get to, and run it into the ground, then the Tank 300 is great value.
Depreciation is only a factor if you replace your car every few years.
Im sure the braking issue woukd be addressed with aftermarket suspension, which most people upgrade to improve their vehicle's touring and off road comfort.
I think depreciation is a lot more of an issue than people are willing to admit. Tank 300 after 5 years will still cost less than a Toyota Fortuner. Yes both cars will lose some in the first year. Except, at the present day and age in crazy Australia Fortuner would lose 10% and Tank 300 - 25%.
@@ValueCarsAU depreciation is only an issue if you're the kind of guy who has the need to continuously replace any vehicle he drives after just a few vehicles. In that case you're better off just leasing the vehicle or not buying one in the first place and investing in shares
I agreed with you, there is no perfect car for all applications people just gotta pick the vehicle that will suit them self . But Value for money wise tank is pretty Dan hard to beat for sure with an open eyes of coz😂😂😂
Completely agree, and IF it had enough space inside for camping - i.e. was basically longer at the back - I'd be actually sold on it. Yep.
Not to mention I haven’t seen any other 4wd suv on reviews that has been put camera underneath to see if the rear wheels are off the ground 🤷♂️🤷♂️
How dare you! John is our everything. Opps. Sorry. My mistake. Pushkin is our everything. But JC is an Australian Pushkin in automotive world. What do they have in common? Drama drives them. So please make your allowances. It’s art which pretends to be an engineering.
The most beautiful comment ever written on my channel
So if a car had to stop immediately to avoid an accident at 100kmh and it jumps off the ground or skid due to loss of friction is it normal and safe? In Australia car can go legally 120 kmh in some roads. Or are you saying if you are in a Tank don't get exited if you see 120 sign on road side?
I'm saying don't sensationalise that tank is the only "box on wheels" that breaks EXACTLY the same way as every other box on wheels, truck or most of the mini-buses and vans. Clear?
@@ValueCarsAU Here is the original reviewer more comments on tank. ruclips.net/video/yY2HqNRtJ0g/видео.html
@@ValueCarsAU agreed. alot of those other Utes or 4x4s have a breaking distance from 100km to 0km of greater than 40m so whats the fuss? It just means you have to drive more defensively than usual. Personally I'm up for a Tank 500 because its the only vehicle that I know of in that class that uses petrol/hybrid rather than a diesel and is fairly priced
Gday Dimitri. Good to catch up with you again. I've watched a number of JC's presentations and certainly do not completely agree with what he says. I take it all with a pinch of salt. I have not driven a Tank 300 or even got close to one yet. Seeing your reviews and many others, it comes across as a great, good value vehicle. GWM make a good quality product. I own a 2021 Haval H6 Ultra and cannot fault it at the moment. The resale value may not be that great but I can assure you after owning Jeep GC and 4 Land rovers, their value is not good either. I read somewhere that the GWM sales have gone past Kia in the last couple of months. I'll follow it up and post.
Okay the towing capacity of the Tank 300 is not that great but buyers should do their research first to see what they're buying. As for the braking test. There are many vehicles that have a similar problem, just look at some of the utes and small SUV's on the market.
I hope you find your replacement vehicle soon. All the best, Chris. Sunny Coast.👍
Hey Chris. I still think that if you buy and own GWM vehicle for a long time (rather than re-sell in 1-2 years like I've been doing), you'll be absolutely fine. Braking issues for a "box on wheels" are to be expected. Towing? Well, not all cars are built the same and this one costs a lot less than some of those that do tow well. If Tank 300 had more space inside, i.e. the body was longer, I'd buy it and keep it for a long time.
If rear wheels are coming up doesn't it mean that the front brakes are amazing?
Haha love it mate, positive perspective! 😉👌
That's a stupid way to think about it.
Being a contrarian in order to get clicks from people looking to confirm their biases is profitable.
I blocked his content years ago. I prefer open minded, honest, nonsensational information.
John is educated, no one is disputing that, but he is a sensationalist and is succeeding at click-bait game for sure.
Dimitri I think most of John's review is only applicable for those people who are going to do the towing that he refers to. That said, his comments about the brakes are very valid. If the brakes are in fact that bad, how on earth does it get a 5 star ANCAP rating? Again it appears ANCAP ignores the braking issues he is referring to and this is something that we should be mindful of even if we are not going to be towing with a T300.
The brakes report is disappointing, but I guess I just don't expect much from a 2.7 TONNE box on wheels... How else could it break?? lol...
@@ValueCarsAU I accept that a brick on wheels will stop slowly, but not elevate off the ground - that's scary!
@@ValueCarsAU I’ve tested around 1000 new vehicles over the years, and none have lifted the rear wheels like this (including Wrangler and Jimny).
It is a concern for a new vehicle. Yes it is cheap but this, in my opinion, is an area that shouldn’t be sacrificed. Stopping distance is one thing but what impact that means for stability in an emergency is frightening to think of. Again, when all competitors are able to keep all wheels on the ground.
Sincerely appreciate your reference to my video. And I enjoyed yours, thanks.
Cheers,
Brett
Thanks @drivingenthusiastaustralia, and good job on your video - I was in the middle of producing a bunch of my own, so only referred to what JC mentioned in his video without properly watching your original material, apologies mate.
Dimitri. Hello and I must say I enjoy your content and delivery style. After watching your positive clips on Tank 300, I am surprised to hear you decided not to buy one based on resale value, correct me if I am wrong. It leaves me to think that you do not believe the Australian market will accept it despite many great reviews including yours.The other point I'd like to make is the equivalent Toyota is about $30k more expensive. Factoring in a pessimist depreciation on the Tank and investing the $30K you need for a Toyota at say 4% pa over the life of ownership, i would say there isn't much in it. Is there something else I've missed like you wish to tow your house to dingo creek. It seems to me that you'd prefer to forgo the benefits of the Tank for a perceived financial gain down the track that may not be real. Cheers & have a great day.
Hello, thank you for the comment and you make very sensible and valid points... Yes my decision not to buy Tank 300, in a nutshell, is based on - 1). the recent hit of 25% depreciation of a GWM vehicle after 1 year (can't fathom another one), 2). Tank 300 is *truly* too small inside for my in-car camping plans, 3). GWM electronics including ELK I absolutely hate is still there..., 4). Other usability elements that are not good (watch my recent translated 10k in Tank 300 review. These are the main 4 points. You're right, some of the financial long-term saving might "not be real". But we always make (sometimes flawed, yes) decisions based on what we have experienced and know RIGHT NOW. I'm sure you'd agree?
Is John wrong? Four grown men and your overweight this is a deal killer for me the brakes are not a big problem and yes I test drove one and loved it.
I think everyone is entitled to their own opinion, including John... But it doesn't cancel the fact that he's a successful click-baiter and a sensationalist.
I've never heard of this car. I only watched this video because it appeared on screen while watching another of John's videos, but i think he is correct to point out a safety flaw in a vehicle. If you have any steering angle on at the point of braking hard enough to lift the back wheels off the ground there is a chance the rear will move to the side and that could mean the start of the crash begins there.
As for John throwing facts and figures at the viewer so fast you can't take them in, just pause the video. I've done that several times to open up another page to check on something he has said.
Amazed that you're a JC viewer and presumably a car-interested person who never heard of Tank 300. 🤯
I have the same dilemma regarding the Tank 300 resale value. I wish there was more data available on the reliability and longevity of the 2L turbo engine i.e. carbon build-up on inlet valves. My head says RAV4 Hybrid which leaves me utterly bored, but my heart says have some fun and get the Tank. It will be interesting to see just how bad the depreciation is after a year, could be a secondhand bargain. You should partner up with a mandarin speaker and translate some Chinese videos, after all they have already been on the market there for a few years.
I have my hands full with my own videos plus some Russian translations... 😉 Yes, I hear you - Tank 300 is definitely a lot more "fun", but anything Toyota will basically still cost the same price you paid for it 3 years down the track... It's crazy market in AU, I wish I lived in US instead... lol.
Chinese car’s depreciation is terrible .. it will drop 60 percent in 3 years
I think the thing is when they miss something as obvious as that brake problem, it erodes confidence thst theyve not missed something else.
Stopping is a pretty fundamental part of what makes a car roadworthy
I don't disagree. Wait for my upcoming review of Tank 300 HEV with its "updated" electronics.... 🤦
What would John need to say to communicate that the car is so dangerous it shouldn’t be legal to sell in a western context? Yes, John has a provocative style which is part of the entertainment appeal, and he is not always right and even sometimes changed his turn. I’m am myself an engineer and I am not bamboozled by his content. That you don’t have the technical expertise to know why this specific problem with the Tank 300 matters would ideally have stopped you from commenting without first understanding the difference between reality and opinion.
Not many people have John's (or yours?) level of technical expertise, yet they live lives, buy stuff and yes - in spite of your desires to monopolise the "talking" space ONLY if you have a Phd on the matter - we talk and share our opinions. You buy what you paid for. There are lots of imperfect technical solutions - including in cars - that are allowed to be sold on the territories of many countries including AU. I pay taxes. My country has a lot of people who are paid to make sure that the products I buy are of acceptable quality. So yeah, JC (and you?) can go off on your Holy Crusade, just leave us be in our own ignorant bliss.
Tank 300 will take anyone to Dingo Piss Creek and back no problems. Not everyone needs antiquated and ill-equipped $100k 79 series.
I don't know about Dingo Piss Creek specifically, but overall I agree with you.
To settle the "handling under heavy braking" debate, here's a Tank 300 moose test video. ruclips.net/video/T330FDyZMSE/видео.html
The original channel test hundreds of models and I don't see any particular reason they would cover up to tank 300. It achieved same passing speed as Audi Q3 and VW Touareg (74km/h).
I think this horse has been beaten to death already. Time to move on to the next topic.
I get confused with its towing capacity. With 2 average people on board plus 50 kg of luggage on board, will it legally tow a loaded pod trailer weighing 1000 kg. Cheers & have a great day.
Yeah mate I don't tow, which is why I don't try and do fancy maths, comparing those to the official specs. I look at cars for more direct use of how they drive, how I feel in them, and if all my stuff will fit for day-to-day use.
What makes me chuckle is that everyone is moaning about John's very accurate point about the safety yet everyone's reactions is "yeah but it's cheap and the best car ever" I can't wait to see what the durability is a year or two down the line and how wonderful the ownership experience is then. Even buying a GWM vehicle says a lot in the first place 😂
No one says "it's cheap and the best car ever". I'm saying - John is poo-pooing a lot of things that a). don't pay him, and b). are actual and direct competition to things that pay him. Yes, he uses facts to poo-poo stuff. He exaggerates and sensationalises a lot too. This is the summary of my video. Thanks for commenting.
I think the Jimny 5 door is a much, much better option than the Tank for this price range. They are high in demand (low depreciation) are based on decades old proven technology (bullet proof reliability) and there is an unlimited number of aftermarket parts for modification available. It has better offroad specs (approach, departure angles, articulation) The only downside is the engine size but at least it still only uses half as much fuel as the Tank.
Jimny is also tiny (narrow) inside, creatures comforts are nowhere near the Tank, plus you probably can't get them for another year or so, as every Jimny fanatic would have ordered one right now. I don't take Jimny seriously, to be honest. It's an expensive toy for someone who can afford 2+ cars for their household.
I think it's adequate in terms of space. True it's not built for morbidly obese people. Creature comforts are subjective. Many people find the minimalistic approach refreshing. Less to go wrong. Good things come to those who wait.@@ValueCarsAU
@@dune7824 The space is inadequate. Its not built for normal people let alone obese people. Creature comforts aren't subjective and nobody is going to wait on a crappy jimny when the Tank 300 can be easily modified
All from a man who has a Mistubishi Outlander with similar vehicle weight . But here is the punch line "The Mitsubishi can only Tow 1600 kgs" so what the heck is he on about here. Take off his weight of towball etc and he cant tow much compared to the Tank!!!
Are you talking about John? I don't know mate... He's controversial, inconsistent, flipping and changing views in a way that results in more controversy = more views = more $$ from Google. I don't blame him, just not my cup of tea.
That breaking issue is extremely dangerous if you break on an steep downhill...I just watched a video where it almost overturns...gwm has to fix this
I don't argue that GWM needs to tune it better. I argue that almost every box on wheels brakes similarly, and you as the driver need to be extra careful.
I agree....👍🏻
So which other boxy cars lift the rear wheels on breaking?!?
Comment in this tone again and you're out. It's not a public forum, you must be mistaken stopping by here.
@@ValueCarsAU You're on RUclips........it's a public forum!
So are you going to disclose if you've received any incentives for any Chinese manufacturers for your reviews???
I don't. But I also owe you no disclosures, it's a private club. Bye.
Interesting video, looking back to the early 70's and 80's the Japanese and later the Korean and now Chinese car market was a threat to the European car market, and a lot of car journo's had a lot of bad things to say about them, what they didn't realise was that they were feeding these car makers and they saw this as positive feedback and kept improving on their cars and look at them now. I have seen video's of the Tank 300 , how they get abused and taken to the max of their capabilities and I can see why how this can form a threat to existing 4WD car makers. To be fair I think you can always find a flaw in any product but you also need to look at how you as a consumer will use it. Thanks for putting up the video
Completely agree mate, and thank you for expressing an intelligent point of view here. Yes, Chinese car makers listen (some of them, like GWM, anyway...) and improve. The only problem I'm seeing with them right now on the market is their attempt to come too close on the pricing of their vehicles to Japanese and other rivals. This attempt is bound to fail, at least in Australia, due to how our local buyers think. The rest of it - yes, they'll improve, like Koreans did in their time. And Tank 300 is a great example of a vehicle that's much cheaper but not much worse than it's direct competition.
Not about racing septic tank 300,it's about emergency braking, if wheels come of the ground while braking that is not good at all,it's that simple,not safe,suspension needs to be recalibrated,not bagging out rest of the car,just the unsafe braking, John is not the only one saying that
Ok, fair enough, he also has a poo icon on the thumbnail. It's a good car for what it is. All boxes on wheels brake badly. Not all 4x4 city made vehicles are towing powerhouses. That's what I'm saying.
Hi mate what kind of Toyota are you thinking about getting?
I was thinking of Kluger, but things didn't go my way. Stay tuned for the video I'll release tomorrow for the full story...
I personally have refused to watch JC content on the Tank 300 as you just know from get go he's going to bag it out, with all it's good features/points he'll just bag it out.
I did watch the video he acquired his content from.
When I tried to put the braking issue into prospective, the reply was I was trying to justify GWM Tanks poor quality.
No.
GWM have fitted the Tank with Rotors, Calipers & Pads that grip the front well enough to lift the rear, thats seriously good brakes. The std. Mitchelin rubber obviously grips well also.
Other comparisons show the Tank 300 stopping in a shorter distance and time than competitors under same braking on same surface.
My point was, no one emergency braking as demonstrated is going to be concerned that the rear wheels are momentarily off the road surface. If you have left your braking this late, you'll be focused on what you're going to hit and if you'll get hurt or survive the impending impact.
The only true scenario I can see this being an issue is on an open highway at speed and a Kangaroo hops infront of you. Certainly brake as hard as required to keep control, do not swerve, you may loose control, strike the roo at reduced speed.
To some this is insensitive but the alternative is far worse. What is the point of you swerving into the path of another vehicle, or losing control and crashing, worse scenarios, rolling and said roo bounds off whilst you and your passengers are injured.
I can imagine after all that occured you're going to say, oh shit the wheels lifting caused that.
No, just drive to your abilities, the cars ability and always with consideration the cars, trucks, bikes, fauna around you may cause you to utilise emergency braking, just keep it in control.
That's kind of what I said, although you've written it up better! ;)
I've written it up logically & in prospective BUT apparently I'm attempting to justify GWM poor build quality of a deadly serious issue, 😂🤣.
The tank 300 stops in good time & distance irrespective.
Why are they overlooking that?
Hmm. Just needed to sensationalise and find something to bag a good product out on.
(Cripes, it Chinese, we need to find a fault & sensationalise it.)
I'd buy this with confidence myself.
The only fair way to judge a vehicle is to compare it to other similar cars in the same price range.
Exactly, I agree
Ill take a engineers opinion on this than yours sorry. Not all other cars shaped like this do anything like this. Brakes like this around the corner are deadly. Nobody is saying theyre racing cars but if youre doing 110 on a backroad or in the country and need to brake at a high velocity its no safe , not even close.
Fair enough
Likeable dude 😆 I'm not sure about that. But he always has interesting thinks to say.
JC is an acquired taste mate! 🤣
John is just waiting for his last heart attack 😅
I wouldn't wish him that, he looks like a sturdy old man, many happy years ahead to him
Looks like death warmed up.
I agree with Cadogan in the sense that the Tank 300 handling characteristics are something that the engineers need to address. If they don't fix this issue over time then his complaints are on point.
Here in India it appears the only Chinese vehicles around are a MG which looks like an oversized HS. Could be a cooperation with TATA I think which means there will be many more to come. No other Chinese brands at all. The passenger car market is dominated (probably 90%) by Maruti Suzuki, 4WD mostly Mahindra.
Hey, I didn't know you've left our shores yet! Hope life is treating you well mate. Yes Indian market would be very different from any other, and they probably can monopolise and self-contain it given the high population and low average income if you consider importing pretty much any brand (unless it's rather cheap, like MG). Just common sense-based guessing on my part.
Dimitri:
Thank you for your honest and informative opinion. I must however point out that no one has considered one of Johns most important points regarding Tank 300. That being parent company attitude towards consumer complaints. Having owned another “cheap” alternative to a 4x4 that had multiple issues which were NEVER properly addressed by the manufacturer I must support his conclusions on the brand in general and the Vehicle in particular.
In conclusion I agree with your assessment of the Vehicle’s performance BUT as I found out the hard way; Any vehicle is only as good as its manufacturers back up. Regards; Pestie01.
Sorry to hear you had bad experience with GWM support, that's definitely a side line to the whole discussion, but then - we have plenty of examples where customers get pushed away even by more established brands. How do you win?
Finally we got a dog walker. I was worried it would go completely mad.
Maybe see your doctor... just in case...
the market will prove him utterly wrong. well it's no surprise anyway
Yes, I agree.
I also like John’s videos and charisma but I agree. I’d respect his opinion more if he got in one and drove it off road in the same way he did with the Mitsubishi outlander PHEV.
Except mate... Mitsubishi Execs flew him over, wined and dined him, and generally promised to be very nice to him, and he graciously accepted the invitation... It's kinda a buttered up "correction" video you're talking about. Of course, anyone is entitled to change their opinion, and I respect Mitsubishi for acting the way they did, but frankly - as much as I enjoyED JC's content, I find it more and more biased and commercial these days.
Am I alone in noticeing the established and paid car review guys are not living in the real world and have been spoilt with free use of vehicles and have no sense of the value for money your average Joe is looking for (especially in today's economy) John and many other car review guys bash GWM and other car manufacturers attempting to provide Ozzie's a fair deal. It's possible in my opinion the main players in vehicle sales have buttered up, paid, taken to the strippers etc as now some of their car reviews sound insincere and in the TANK case dishonest. I've unsubscribed to any car review channel that gave a selective bias review as that's un Australian mate.
Mate I don't disagree with your general sentiment. I do believe that majority of mainstream media auto-review outlets are a "sell-out" (of sorts, in any case). JC however is not really a "sell-out" by definition. Instead, he found HIS OWN niche of being the self-made brand of one man against them all (and lucky for him, relying on his own source of income rather than those brand-sponsored freebies or extra bucks here or there).
Lool, for example kids will not run in front of Tank 300 because they will know that this is not a car for racing. When A class rolled over on moose test it was also a niche thing. Also not a car for racing drivers. But Mercedes recalled them all and installed ESP, because they understood that kids do not cjoose the car to run in front.
You're missing the point. With your logic you (and JC) should ban ANY "box on wheels" car, and most trucks, why not, while you're at it... You're idealists and theoreticians who don't live in a real world. Go "lol" somewhere else.
@@ValueCarsAU Well, that is you opinion. But if they messed up such important thing that can be relativelly easily visible, what else they cost optimized? Whatever. You again went for messenger discreditation (as in case of JC) instead of commenting a normal driving situation that can occur to any vehicle, even if it is not bought for racing.
John hate Cybertruck too... Its a pitty Australia is not a car producer.
I don't disagree with him on cyber truck btw, it's absolutely ridiculous
Wait until you have owned one for more than 5 minutes
I test drove several for much longer than 5 minutes. What's your point? Actually, don't bother, I've banned too many trolls already
@@ValueCarsAU My point is the poor quality of construction in Chinese vehicle is not always apparent when they are new.
But it becomes very obvious the more miles they do and the older they get.
I used to have used cars valued as potential trade in's and that is when you can see the construction quality of a car not when they are new and shiny.
Fair point, but I translate and follow disassembly of those vehicles and yes - some of them are definitely pretty bad - but Tank is actually pretty good. I assume you've watched those translated videos of mine? Glad you're not a troll. Can't assume or tell these days, sorry. Too much crap poured into my comments by many people.
Dimitry.
I agree with you that John often overplays issues with cars BUT it is impossible to overplay the importance of wheels coming off the road under heavy braking.
Yes; we should always drive defensively but all modern cars have ABS because there will be one second in the next five years when you have to hit the brakes very hard. If the car is not good enough to cope with that one second, then it should not be on the road. No price, cuteness, off-road ability or any other feature will make up for that one second when a kid runs onto the road.
Dave D
Dave, I don't disagree that wheels coming off the road etc are a bad thing. But a lot of people miss the point I'm trying to make. ANY "box on wheels" is dangerous and will have similar braking pattern and the need to be extra cautious as a driver, OR to be banned in the cities and school zones etc entirely. Oh, and don't forget most trucks of various shapes and sizes while you're at it. You and JC can like or dislike whatever you want, but that's a much bigger campaign you're talking about than just pretending that Tank 300 "is the worst".
ruclips.net/video/bCrgGxQ8tH0/видео.htmlsi=FghX2xNCzoqZpWMw
Have a look a real world testing then, rather than just have an opinion.
The Tank passed every AEB test ancap did on it. Now compare that to the most popular selling cars in Australia... utes. How many of them even come with AEB?
Most stuff he said is already on the brochure not like it was magically discovered so if you can't read the brochure who to blame.
I don't know what's on the brochure, surely not the braking stuff, but regardless...
@@ValueCarsAU yeah nah I said most, he was trashing hard on towing. Nobody found out about towing capacity after purchasing it, it’s all in brochure
Its of great concern when you bestow the title of ' Auto Expert ' on yourself.
It certainly is! 😉
At 7.18 your left arm is tattooed, not your right. But in the insert your right arm is tattooed. Cool.
Great attention to deal. Comment beside the point entirely. 🤷♀️
Google Dash off road and watch his TANK
Will do once I'll refocus on Tank. I've spoken enough about it. Tiggo 7 is coming to AU, so that will be our focus for a little bit.
I Agree with you. John is too negative towards the Tank300, which could be the car of the year if people are fair dinkum. Too many Chinese car haters like John. Look, this is the fact, many Good Chinese cars are coming: Tank 400, 500, maybe 700. There is a les known to us but very, very good card: ChangAn. John, if you ever watching this, calling Tank 300 a piece of, is just too far. Look at Ancap's frontal crash report, find another car with driver and passenger ALL full score.
Lol JC would never watch something like this mate, and I agree - he is way way too negative, but he gets what he's after - an emotional response from the viewers, which results in views on his videos, which results in $$$. That's all he cares about (and he's a businessman, I don't really blame him...)
yeah his review is the only hate review I've come across so far. So biased
He's running a business mate, of course his views are very heavily biased based on partnerships and a whole bunch of factors I wouldn't even start speculating on
Auto Expert John Cadogan do not get me started sir,i will not comment for now............ oh what a feeling toyota 😋
haha fair enough mate
He makes his living from hating everything, just like Scotty KIlmer. It gets the point after a while you don't even have to watch their videos, yet people still do for some reason.
What I don't get - really - is how that Scotty Kilmer guy got so many subs (and views). He's IMPOSSIBLE to watch. He talks too fast, blurts some crap out with a lightning speed - I really don't get what made him so popular? John can be entertaining though! 😉
@@ValueCarsAU The only thing I can figure out is that "the kids" like his presentation. By kids I mean the 18-30 year old's that don't really know anything about car repair. They hang on every word he says.
All the seasoned mechanics think he's full of beans 95% of the time.
John is paid to talk bad about tank 300 because its getting too many good reviews
I honestly doubt that it's how this works for John
JC is factual, objective and thorough while being very entertaining but agree that there are additional subjective considerations that must be made to form a final decision on purchase being one's own circumstances, thoughts and opinions. Having access to all this information will inevitably allow the potential purchaser to make the correct informed decision.
Exactly, I agree - we need to hear the good and the bad. John is doing a good job, he is just an absolutist in his statements and a sensationalist, as I've mentioned.
Like you said if you are not towing
Or doing much of roading
Or carry much wait
And you want a good resale
Then don’t buy the tank 300.
Exactly what John said 😂
Oh and the braking issue is reasonably serious
Funny! And I see what you did there! It's an amazing toy for a reasonable city driver or a solo off-roader. I'd compare it to Suzuki Jimny, with higher usability. No, it's not for towing, big ef-n deal.
@@ValueCarsAU Yep agreed
It’s basically a mall crawler. But a lot of people and car reviewers are trying to sell this as a serious competitor to the other capable of road vehicles. When it is clearly not
@@tomhicks1009 loads of videos and reviews regarding to the off road capability. It's a proper off-road vehicle.
@@tacticalaccountant The people selling it say it's a serious off-roader, the owners and experts say it isn't....Hmmm, who should I believe ? lol
@@tomhicks1009There is a channel called Dash off road which tests 4WDs. They matched a Tank 300 in off road conditions against Nissan patrols. The tank outperformed the Nissan on extreme 4WD tests so not just a mall crawler but a serious off roader.
I watched many if his videos & I respect him but I mostly disagree with him too because..either way he goes with his opinion he superlatives it as if its the only thing that matters..but what I can't stand more than anything is the fact that he mostly talks by numbers on paper & not actual testing, test drives or even ownership..I also have a problem..to ve an expert I thino you need to be more open minded to reality & not just numbers &what they might mean in isolated extreme situation or incedent!
Yep, I take the PRIOR experience that he surely has plenty of, but his "empty numbers in a vacuum" get fatiguing after a while...
For the style of the car, the stopping time and breaking distance is amazing from the data car expert spreadsheet shows.
We got a second hand Rav 4 - 2020 model for 38k and sold it 1 year later to buy the tank - got $29k.
Used car market is not what it used to be.
No, it's not what it used to be, you're right... But it all depends on the age and condition I suppose, but I'd think you could sell Rav 4 for more than that
They certainly look junk up close .. China haven’t sorted nice shut lines
I disagree. It looks pretty good. Have a look at Mahindra Scorpio to see what really looks junk up close...
@@ValueCarsAU they are junk .. Farmers like them though apparently they last forever .
I could never by a Chinese car .. the CCP use slaves in the production line
While you're on your high horse, do you or your family or your close friends by any chance use a slave-built iPhone? Or wear basically any pair of pants (likely made across the road from there by the other slaves too?) 🙄
its been in russia for a lot longer than here and they really bag it,look up there reviews
They don't. Look up the reviews.
@@ValueCarsAU I just watched a news report on Chinese cars in Russia, 42% of owners report rust problems in the first 3yrs of ownership.
Well I know who I trust… 🙄
How can anyone tell you? 🙄
GWM Ora recall for possible electrocution...I wouldn't be buying any of these crap cars.
Where is this information from - I'm interested
chev corvair .....
huh?
Cheap jeep nah I'll pass....
Yeah man go buy an overpriced one. What a dumb comment, never fails to amaze me
@ValueCarsAU wouldn't even buy a Jeep so lol 🤡
Hey Mate.
Great to see you watching my videos.
I strongly standby my research and opinion on the Tank 300. It is rubbish! I also don't appreciate you bad mouthing my content.
Wake up to yourself! You can keep that coffee to yourself mate 👍
Hello JC impersonator. Firstly, learn to spell. Secondly, JC would laugh his ass off at what (and how) you wrote to me. Finally, this is not a JC handle on RUclips... 🤣
I will stick with my 17 year old pajero. Good luck with your chihnamobile.
Good luck with your ancient rubbish... 🤷♀️ (you get the same attitude as you give)
Totally agree with you mate.
Straight away watched the guys video and it’s obvious he didn’t even drive the car and forms his opinion on hearsay.
Read a lot of the comments on that video as well and I’d say 80% of them don’t agree with his “conclusions “
Hoping to collect my Tank next week , can’t wait.
Please consider depreciation & resale price before you buy any vehicle. Whatever you end up buying, sell it a year before the warranty expires.
You might also want to Google "[Brand & model] problem" to get an idea of peoples experiences.
Another fun idea is to ring the dealer parts dept and ask to buy a headlight/tail light/drivers door/rear window. Ask how much the part is and if it's in stock.
From what I've read, some of these cars have little or no dealer tech support. Especially with electronic control system problems.
As I keep saying, I think Tank 300 is a (very) solid vehicle and a great choice for those people who have carefully considered it against their realistic uses. I've listed my thoughts on what I'd take into consideration and if you have ticked all of your own boxes, mate, I'm very happy for you and somewhat jealous of your fun tank arriving soon! 😎👌
Hearsay is completely different to facts.
Seems like you people who own one or about to purchase one get all butt hurt when someone throws a few facts about the cars safety.
@@edwardfletcher7790 resale value isn't important if you're planning to own the car for quite some time. if you're that concerned don't buy one in the first place. invest your money into something else
@@ags45h no facts where presented. just a bunch of trolls talking shit and thinking everyone wants to sell their vehicles after 3 years.