If the Body Is Mind, Is Illness Neurosis?
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- A man who is terminally ill and has sought treatment to no avail, asks if his interest in self-enquiry is for the body, and if the body is mind, is illness a neurosis. Rupert suggests that his interest in self-enquiry is to find happiness, to return to his true nature, otherwise known as 'die before you die.'
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Thank you Ruben. I am also experiencing a health situation which appears to be leading towards a death of the body. I am in pain and fear yet also strangely excited. Waves of fear and exileration. I yearn for peace but struggle to stay with it. And so it goes...
Thank you for writing this! You are loved by All!
And today I realize that peace is my nature, how can I struggle to stay with it? So I seem to struggle, and seem to suffer, yet always this background or diffusion, of peace. Strange. The inherent bliss of our nature is harder for me to see...
God bless you❤
Hope you feel better 🙏🏻
@@Progenitor1979 The struggle is caused by the temptation of the ego to have you identify with your body. You are not your body. Give this temptation over to the Holy Spirit and accept His interpretation of the body instead. There is no death and therefore no salvation in death. You are as God created you, perfect, whole, and eternal.
These words make us feel supremely happy.
Wow, that is a hard question to field. Blessed answer.
Beautiful
Well that was beautiful
Thanks to Mr. Spira for a hopeful message.
Any thing that we can observe is not our real nature it apply to the observation of a passing bird. but also to the observation of our passing thoughts, passing illness and ultimately our passing body.
What causes strong feelings of suicide and how can it be dealt with?
@@pamelam7491 they can really only be dealt with by going inward, feeling the feelings staying with them eventually you’ll be aware there’s 2 the ego self and something else that’s deeper, that prevents you from acting the feelings out that loves and protects always....
Talking to someone you love and trust will help too ❤️
@@claresmith9261 thank you I do understand completely what you are saying🙏🏻❤️
@@pamelam7491 So welcome ❤️
Thank you Rupert.
So wonderfully said.
A more refined way of seeing ourselves is a pattern or form of circulating Chi/prana with "lifetrons" which Yogananda wrote of forming the Chi/Prana currents.
Can you please elaborate on this
"...the death of your body is cooperating, it is your friend, it has given you the impulse to return your being to Gods being."
Praise be.
Beautiful
Very nice thank you thank you so much
All conditional. " He that's busy being born, is busy dying" - Bob Dylan. Happiness begins to know this and is content to have found it.
Can you explain please
I don't know what's this about
@@bzynkapatrycja The conditional nature of our lives are largely uncontrollable. Some people do not understand this and believe that they suffer, not because of the uncontrollable nature of our lives, but because that they are not doing the right thing, ie that they can somehow control the conditioned process of life = happiness. Understanding the conditioned reality of life is a much more balanced way of dealing with this process
and tends to create contentment with what is , rather than trying to change what is.
@@johnhaller7017 thanks.
But hmmm
Is it not that it actually all does not matter...?
Suffering is a choice. You can change it any time but... Actually it completely does not matter.
It is all the way it's suppose to right?
Plus believe is just a state of mind. One can pick any.
And I don't think there is right and wrong thing to do...
@@bzynkapatrycja Insight into conditionality brings freedom.
Hi Rupert, what do you think about schizophrenia?
Do you think The Silence would help?
If someone hears voices, and if Meditation and returning to our Natural Self, calms the mind, would a person with schizophrenia be able to witness the peace that already is?
I am not Rupert but from my understanding awareness is not traumatized, bi-polar, or schizophrenic. A mind may be, but our true nature is whole and complete it is peace and love. Here is a quote from his website: «Iillness' is an interpretation by the mind. It resides in the mind. The idea of illness is as real as the idea of the body. In fact they are part and parcel of the same idea. From the standpoint of Knowing Presence, there is only itself. Knowing Presence simply knows its own unqualified being. There is nothing there to cure. It does not need a perfect body to reside in its own being. The problem is for the mind.»
It may help a mind that suffers to see our true nature, but it will probably not cure it ever but for the mind it might give a lot of comfort.
Poor lady. You can tell she was expecting something different. I wish her all the best.
In fact i think the answer might help her a lot. Dont think about motives and blame yourself. Just inquire.
Its a rather tough one. How do words reassure someone is looking at death in the eye that its ok.. that nothing changes? Moreso, if its a loved one that is leaving.
Those last couple sentences were literally music.
How would self-enquiry preserve the body?
Please, could anyone transcribe in the comments the woman's introduction, from 0:08 to 0:19? I've tried also with subtitles and I couldn't understand this fragment. My understanding is not fluent in English and I find this question absolutely interesting. Thank you very much.
If the body has no independent existence outside of Consciousness but is rather a manifestation of Consciousness, is disease also a manifestation of Consciousness? How can that be? Consciousness does not know disease, or aging for that matter, etc. So how can Consciousness manifest what it knows nothing about. To say it's natural for the body seems to imply that the body does have an indpendent existence.
Body and Mind, the Cartesian premise aside, are two aspects of local time/space duality. The question is, from whence is Mind in-formed? From an Infinite True Self, or finite Ego? The point being, the Ego does not survive. Further, the Ego cannot repair the Mind. Mind, rather, must be in-formed by non-local Consciousness. Too often, the Quest is externalized, and we end up looking in all the wrong "places." The Philosopher's Stone -- The Holy Grail -- is not far and away, but near and within.
Sickness old age and death is indeed a neurosis of the mind
what a question!
~Whaddatheymeanbyneurosis!?
Question: Does god (source of consciousness) have free will? Did it choose to establish reality this way or is reality the result of the infinite nature of the mind of god?
here's a strange moment in the history of human consciousness, a man somewhere, let's say provisionally "me," weeps "into" this medium, this youTube whose essence he can't possibly understand. The man marks let's say the death or looming death of another man. Strange moment. This shearing of separate selves, these consolidations of separate selves, all this roiling in the strange river of time. There's a river near here, in fact, the Niagara, and I see this all in there. Pools circle, hold, loosen. Under-river rocks suggest themes of coherence, nudge the water certain ways. There are variations on the themes. The river flows away and is never gone. I mark, in passing, me, and this man, and that one. Don't know what it means to weep "into" this medium, but here I am.
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Body and mind are not the same. They are different orders of reality. When you see the body only as a means of communication, you will heal because the mind has been healed. All illness, or dis-ease, is the result of a distorted perception of self, of a fragmented and separated illusion. Turn to the Holy Spirit in your mind to learn how to purify and heal your perception.
You must be A Course in Miracles student, just like i am!
@@Bojan_V yes, very much so. Last Spring, the experience of peace came. The teaching became very clear afterwards. Peace be with you, Bojan.
The psyche affects your brain then the brain affects your body.
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Its stuck, contracted mind. Trauma and repression. I just created a tool that heals it in minutes.
Can you share that tool for a mind which is very anxious and not able to even sleep
The questioner sounded like a robot...
If consciousness/God is pure love how can sickness arise in it...It does not make sense!!!
It is your “ideas and thoughts” about it that are deluded. It’s like saying it is bad or not good that a flower loses its petals. It’s perfectly natural and necessary. An apple falls from a tree and decomposes in the ground. The place you’re getting stuck, is in your thoughts about how you think things should be. All is well. Even in so called “sickness”. ✌🏻❤️
I think your choice of words is confrontation calling me deluded but nevertheless I can understand the analagy of the petal falling from the plant IF we just died peacefully in our sleep. Unfortunately, and this is the problem I have , is that people, more times than not, die with excruciating pain and for long periods. Even worse, people are born with afflictions that they have to live with their whole lives. What I'm saying is that we are limiting the idea of Love by accepting all this pain and suffering as part of the process of life. We need to eliminate pain and suffering by gaining greater understanding of Love. Now you can really call me delusional! Lol
One could say a mirror makes no sense, it's within its reflected images, ever apart and yet untouched by these images. As you are ever within and without yet untouched by the body the minds content and world plus experience. Experience when looked out without judgement or remembered belief, consists of nothing other than yourself. Let doubt be Doubtful. That knowing transparency like the sun in a blue sky never was clouded. The weather seemed to happen but the reality of the weather and the blue sky is the sun that illuminates these. No sun no weather. No knowing, nothing known. Without you, nothing is. Existence is not what we think. Its love truth and beauty is still the same with or without thought that often says otherwise.
@@johnellis414 I didn’t call “You” deluded. I called the thoughts and ideas deluded. ✌🏻
Sickness is an illusion. It is a belief in separate selfhood belief in bodies. When you recognize you are Infinite Self Infinite Spirit Infinite Mind and the impossibility of sickness you can look at sickness and see its nothingness. Rest in the peace of this certainty and sickness "vanishes". It only seem to be there because of a belief. This is true Salvation-- the Formless and Form are One. In the Omnipresence of God there can not be anything but God---here is the end of all ill forms. Love and Light ❤
It's all a dream, nothing is real. Imho.
Why do people think that matter is illusory? Everything is real. Except the boogieman 😁
Everything is real. What is not real or better say "true" is thoughts labeling/naming of reality into separate pieces, objects/realities and concepts, such as matter for instance. Matter is only a thought, a sound in the head, six letters following each other. Now what does the word/sound "matter" refer to? If you say that matter refers to 'stone' for example, ask yourself, IS the word/sound "matter" actually that which you call stone? Are they inseparable? The only "thing" in reality that says a stone is a stone, is the word/sound "stone". A "stone" doesn't say "I'm a stone", only thought does. The same goes for everything, matter included, and the word YOU or I included
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