I’m far from a watch snob. But I was wearing my submariner last week at a get together, and this guy saw it and said “man I can’t stand Rolex”. So I asked what he was wearing, and of course he’s rocking a “diamond” encrusted 50mm invicta. I had to put him in his place. I don’t care what ppl wear, but don’t rip on watches with horological significance when you’re wearing an amazon special
I purchased my first Rolex on impulse. I walked into a AD at the Roosevelt Field Mall (New York) two weeks before this Christmas and casually mentioned what I was looking for. I was planning on buying a Deep Sea, but not just yet. The lady walked away and to my surprise, a minute later came back with a black face DS 126660. Needless to say, I purchased it and here I am 6 months later and could not be more happy. You hit on the head Oisin. A watch, never mind a 14 K watch, has no practical purpose. Clocks are everywhere. Cheap watches are even more common. But I purchased mine because I love the engineering and craftsmanship, and yeah - a bit of exclusivity. Am I a snob? You bet. Love the channel. Keep up the good work.
Is Rolex really exclusive anymore? So many people want one and so many people have them...all economic stratifications. So many out there that Rolex really isn't that special anymore.
Just ordered two cheap quartz watches at 75 euros each. I also own some high end and mid tier pieces (4k-12k). Quite a few entry level pieces too (sub 3k). I just love watches. I enjoy wearing them all, in a different way but all satisfying nonetheless.
As one who grew up in poverty and has worked himself into the upper middle class I appreciate the classes. It keeps me motivated to achieve more. Though I’m more of Omega/Rolex budget, own both, I’ve walked into dealers to try on Patek and Richard Mille and do not feel uncomfortable one bit. It’s just more inspiration. I will own a Patek one day. I also ride a a Harley and love Lynard Skynard. 😂 Very good content. Watched your last two videos and you’re two for two. Subscribed.
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Me too man! (except for the Harley & the Skynard. But i did do a session in southern tracks once, where they recorded a lot of stuff)
I appreciate your honesty ! As long as you don't treat other people badly there is nothing to be ashamed of, if you are rich and wealthy ! It is the personality and your character that makes you Human Being, not your money ! But, on the other side, there is jealousy ! If you show your good taste, your appreciation of fine things, your passion for art and craft by having a luxury watch, a nice pen, a suit... then people start thinking of you as of a snob, without knowing how hard you work and what else you gave up to pursue your passion. Passion is the strongest driving force to fulfill your dreams. Without passion I would consider myself a failure !
When you buy expensive watches your buying the whole experience champagne etc. I'm lucky enough to have a Rolexs and tudors and I always get dressed up as it makes the experience better. I also own swatch watches and can walk in with shorts and t shirt on and no one in the store cares. It's all about knowing what your buying and enjoying the experience. It's not snobbery it's just manners.
Thank you for this! This applies to other realms of collecting as well. Your clear articulation of understanding higher levels of any given subject (and lower tolerances for the lesser) is something I can now use to explain my views on another subject... (Thanks for the warning on the Yellowtail by the way) Cheers.
Received a call the other day from my local AD to say that what will be my first-ever Rolex has just arrived in store, and I hugely looking forward to not just getting the watch on my wrist but also the whole "experience" of going to pick it up, sitting down with the salesman and everything else that the visit will entail - just as soon as this bloody Covid-19 lock-down is over!
I remember a few years back watching a food network "star" on one of their programs mentioning how he was looking at a person's watch and how he made fun of it to another snob that the watch wasn't an "automatic" or a "mechanical" but a "quartz" movement watch. I lost respect for that person. He acted like he was so much "above" that person. Really disgusting.
I think I know exactly what scene/person you are talking about. I think he said something about looking at someones watch to see if the second sweep was "smooth" or if it ticked. I often do the same thing. If someone has an automatic watch I might start a conversation because we are both probably interested in watches, but if its not, then I don't and I assume they don't know any better or they just don't care about watches (ex. Bill Gates wears a sub $100 Casio diver). I know there are amazing quartz watches out there (some Grand Seikos for example) but if someone really likes watches and knows what they are talking about then they will most likely wear an automatic, regardless of the price point. The 'star' wouldn't say something condescending to the person, he is just using the observation to silently inform himself that the other person isn't 'in the know' when it comes to watches. Also, if you watch his program, you will see that he is an anti-snob when it comes to his profession. He eschews trendy, expensive tools over on-hand devices. He is very practical and knows seeks to share his knowledge. I don't particularly like the 'star' you are referring to or his show(s) but I do respect him because he is very knowledgeable about food and his (original) show is science based and devoid of the usual tropes. I could be totally wrong and he could be a huge jerk, but I don't think so.
Really great post. This concept extends to lots of things. Interesting that you brought up Apple Watch. I have the same snobbery with regard to that because I enjoy and know luxury time pieces. I don't want a timepiece that everyone else has. But, interestingly, when it comes to the iPhone, AirPods, iPad, or laptop, I'm an Apple snob because the whole Apple un-boxing experience is superior to anything else. And the products live up to the un-boxing experience. I suspect that anyone that hasn't yet experienced that would call me a snob until they experience it for the first time. It's something to aspire to.
@@herebarian I think Oison is suggesting that a snob = a connoisseur, someone who appreciates and understands good wine, good watches, art etc. A pretentious person doesn't appreciate those things just wants them to stoke their ego and make them look important. Pretentious = ostentatious.
Another Very Intelligent Post. Like me, You have an Intrinsic Understanding of Snobbery because you're A Celt! I think it's important, however to appreciate the Nuances of Categories. There IS A Difference between Discernment, Exclusivity & Snobbery. Someone who can differentiate between Châteux Cardboard & Château Neuf Du Pâpe or an Omega 321 & 861 handwound mechanical chronograph movement has Discernment. Exclusivity whether of Viticultur or Horology is usually determined by money. If You're not holding The Necessary Spondulicks to purchase that Rolex GMT Ceramic Pepsi BLRO, You're Excluded from ownership. If You ARE holding The Necessary Folding but the Rolex Boutique won't sell You one - THAT'S Snobbery. I say, Patronize A Good 2nd-Hand Dealer & pay Ca$h.
Everything you said is true about watch snobbery. Great insight. Owning and wearing a Rolex or Patek Philippe or a few other brands is a status symbol. Like driving a Porsche, Audi, Rolls Royce or Bentley. And snobbery continues into other forms like Real Estate, travel and clothes. And like men, women enjoy their designer hand bags like men enjoy watches. Take for example, the Hermes Birkin bag. Like the Daytona of watches, these bags can cost at least $10,000 or more and are very hard to get. Louis Vitton is up there as well as Gucci.
Great video. I’m not the least bit rich but I’ve always loved watches and have a modest collection for the exact reasons you explained. Most people assume I’m part of that “1st class”. People make assumptions about me that aren’t actually correct. I think they assume I’m a snob or wealthy. I guess that’s what happens when you wear a nice watch or drink a nice wine or drive a nice car even if that’s the only thing in your life that you decide to spend your money on.
dressing and acting nicely is a way of showing respect to the place and people where you go, that is why you get some extra respect points back when you do so.
Dear creator, glad I found this video because I really learned a lot about rolex' customer experience and the high luxury world / finer life from your perspective. Thank you for sharing and being open and honest about status, pleasure, enjoyment. Best regards from Europe.
Would love to see some videos on your take on wine. I am relatively ignorant about wine and you have a fantastic way of describing, discussing and explaining your topics!
@Angelo Soulas Ha! I actually have a 1989 Vostok Mini Komanderskie naval watch with a gorgeous teal-blue sunray dial that my husband gave me. He bought it himself from an American military officer who was in Berlin when the Wall came down, crossed over into East Germany to buy a few souvenirs, and decided later to sell some of them. It’s probably not valuable, and the bezel is not even uni-directional, so I definitely wouldn’t trust it for actual diving, but it’s beautiful in my eyes, has sentimental value since it was a gift from my husband, and has a good story behind it. So far, no one has recognized it when I’ve worn it out and about - at least, no one who has commented on it to me. I hope it doesn’t “scare” anyone who does recognize it!
Your vids are great man! You talk abt the watches, how to create a relationship with the AD, wearing a rolex and talk to a lady, the amazing filming like Trieste, and so on! It all works on real life! Youre the real 007 hahaha, keep going on! 👏💯👍
I agree. I love the mechanical movement..... Nothing wrong with a quartz, but to me quartz is a shortcut. To make gears, file down a case and parts you can barely see with the naked eye is art.
Great thought provoking content. Rolex jealously guards it’s luxury status and rightly so. I bought a Datejust recently and the Sales woman was telling me in the AD that they no longer offer any zero percent interest deals or discounts. So Rolex want you to be the person that can drop 100% of the watch’s full retail price in one go right there and then. They don’t want just anybody with a credit card to swing by and leave with their product on their wrist. Make of this what you will - it could be seen as snobbery or just brand protection. They are gunning for the Patek market after all and if you buy a Rolex you’d like the assurance of that kind of aspiration protecting your investment. Also, Paul Thorpe an ex Dealer and watch expert was sitting with another seasoned dealer doing a live Q&A and they mentioned how the ultra ultra rich guy would just walk in through the door wearing just jeans and a leather jacket then drop eye watering amounts on the highest end pieces without a second thought. So the crazy luxury watch world we find ourselves in is a very broad church indeed.
Great points! Watch collecting it's all about differentiation and appreciation from your piers who share the same passion. Nothing wrong with that. Vive la diférence!
I agree that understanding and keeping high standards is appropriate in many fields, like watches. I think the snobbery comes in when you treat people with distain because they don't share your particular passions, or have less knowledge and investment in something. I don't look down on people because they know less about watches them I do. There are many people who know more than me.
It's only ridiculous to spend a lot of money on a watch if you cannot afford it. If you can afford the timepiece that you desire and appreciate, more power to you! There's a reason that these exquisite pieces cost so much, they are precise and beautiful! People love peeping through a keyhole watching others buying expensive watches and getting great satisfaction just by watching. Those calling the few who can afford things like Rolexes snobs are probably jealous. I love to watch...
It's weird because I am the unwashed masses dude and I walked into a Patek AD and they treated me just like the rich Chinese guy in there who was buying 2 watches. I don't think that it's bad, though. I see it as though they are fine sharing their art with everyone who is interested in it. You don't need an expensive suit to go see the Mona Lisa for example.
Went to an IWC AD at the South Coast Plaza in Orange County, CA, I was wearing my shorts, t-shirt, and flip flops wearing my apple watch. They paid no attention to me. So I left and drove home in Porsche Panamera 4 turbo. Good luck IWC.
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I’ve heard this about IWC before. Sounds like the have an attitude problem.
@ Sure do. Great episode, for the most part your video is spot on. I have a friend who owns a Lambo dealarship in Orange County, CA. He always tells me that the person coming in the flip flops and t-shirts buy the $500k car vs. the 3 piece suit guy.
Been getting called a food snob and a fitness snob for years. Everyone has been real quiet though since COVID hit. Bought a Rolex Sub no date just to be a bigger snob yet. Love your channel. Keep it up!
This video is so spot on, local AD's where I am are not upscale enough, they generally don't even have a place to sit (you are just standing at the counter). Big turn off. If I am going to spend, 5/15/30k on a watch, I want a relaxed, smooth, comfortable experience. Otherwise I would just buy online or rock a G-Shock.
Not a wine person but I pick up what you’re putting down. It’s hard to go back to a “normal watch” when you start spending money on the finer ones. Still enjoy them all!
A connoisseur is someone who genuinely enjoys and is fairly knowledgeable about what many call luxury items. I’d like to think that most watch enthusiasts fall into that category. A snob is someone who may indeed share those same feelings. But snobbery arises when someone derives equal (if not more) pleasure from relishing the thought (mistaken or not) that only a select exclusive few share in that enjoyment and knowledge.
I completely agree with you on wine. I will invariably choose a beer over the "house" wine. Is that being a wine snob? Not if I don't put down the house wine to the host.
I think a lot of people refer to snobbery but actually mean people being jerks. I shocked a person when I complemented their Swatch while wearing my Omega seamaster. A lot of people throw on a Rolex sub and think they are the king and look down at the "inferior" people with a Seiko or whatever... they are jerks. I love watches for the art and not for the status. That said, I expect to be treated at a certain level buying an Omega versus a regular Seiko. I agree on that for sure.
Totally disagree with you. Being discerning or having an appreciation for fine things is not snobbery. Snobbery is an attitude (most of the time condescending and pretentious). I have no time for snobs.
There is the story ( and l can’t confirm it as anything other than that) about the guy who goes on holiday in the Bahamas and takes his Rolex and his SKX. He goes diving with the SKX and the the dive instructor says “ that’s a nice watch”. He then goes to the bar at the hotel wearing the Rolex and the bartender says “ that’s a nice watch”.
very well expressed on the snobbery topic.... as much as how much I d like to deny for the past 2 decades, I am a watch snob according to your definition and I should be proud of it hahaha. cheers for the vid, best one ever watched.
I absolutely agree with you. And as long as nobody "punches down" on anyone, then being a snob is ok. It's when the watch snob punches down on someone for having a brand of watch not to his liking that the snobbery is now bad. And this also goes both ways (reverse watch snob). As long as you respect each other's watch choice then all is ok.
Most people will be happy to take your money, but there might be a few situations where that is not be the case. This conversation reminds me of Beverly Hillbillies. The show was all about a down-to-earth bunch of hillbillies that became filthy rich on oil and moved to Beverly Hills. It was a great and funny lesson in what really matters.
There is a difference between snob and enthusiast. Snobbery is always a sign of insecurity, especially for those who don't have anything as a person but material things around them. I don't buy brands not because it's unaffordable but simply because I don't pay for someone's tag to brand myself. Especially when some ugly things are sold based on fake scarcity.
Lots of good comments. To me, there is nothing wrong with being a bit discriminating about the purchases you make, and the style with which you try to live, but “snobbery” is more about how you treat others.....especially those who may not be as fortunate. I worked hard to be in a position where I can now afford some of the better things.
Luxury is a personnel thing and sometimes relates to affordability....I recently bought 900 euro Seiko and was treated better than I was when I was viewing a omega speedmaster...which I could not afford anyway...
Great post that I enjoyed very much, but I think the definition of a snob is someone who looks down on a person they regard as being of a lower social standing. I don't think you do this at all. You don't look down on someone who buys cheap watch - you enjoy fine watches for what they are which is an entirely different thing. And you appreciate how fortunate you are. Nothing in this great video says you are a snob! I'm certain there are watch snobs out there, but I wouldn't watch this superb channel if I thought you were one of them! Super video. I would have loved to have seen you in conversation with the late great David Niven.
I guess you can say I walk the fence, when there’s a need to dress up, I’ll put on my taylor made Armani suit, silk tie and silk shirt and Rolex, most of the time I’ve got boots on a tee shirt and Carr Hart pants, my Omega SMP 300M and tools in my hands.
This is so right . Didn’t think I was a watch snob until someone like Oisin can put it in to words and analogies. It’s a great feeling to be treat like a king , even if it’s for a couple of hours while spending your hard earned . My wife’s not a watch snob either but she does like to drive her 50k car to work and back twice a week 😉
As you are with wine, I am with single malt scotch and as such, I thoroughly enjoyed watching your video while sipping Macallan 18 and appreciating my DSSD on the wrist...Cheers!
Completely agree with your analysis. The world of luxury is what it is. Though it has been redefined era by era this has been around for millennia. Royals, nobles, knights, wealthy tradesmen and merchants were dabbling and living in this world thousands of years before us.
It's not snobbery to appreciate and pay for craftsmanship, quality, or luxury. That's just being an aficionado and something anyone can become if they have the passion. It becomes snobbery when you judge others based on what they can appreciate or afford. That doesn't belong in the watch world...or anywhere.
Very fresh perspective. Snobbery is a relative thing depending who we are engaging with. Sometime even sharing of your passionate topic without putting anything/anyone down can be seen as snobbery because others see your knowledge as too intimidating. I ever have someone ask me to help him buy a $20/$30 Rolex replica. I said I don't do that and I became a snob. When I start to explain with a bit more I can recommend seiko/timex but I soon realised I'm just talking to a wall.
3:30 confusing snob with connoisseur 7:10 not just art but also engineering.....Rolex is well engineered mechanical jewelry.... 8:37 confusing luxury experiences with a luxury item.... 12:00 yes buying expensive jewelry and an expensive watch are indeed very similar.....this is why many jewelers sell watches..... 14:30 confusing elitism and snobbery...... 17:00 confusing exclusivity with snobbery.... none of what you talked about is snobbery.. snobbery is a Rolex owner looking down in a seiko owner......that is not cool.....
I like knowing that some people who wear Rolex like to sport it but truly cant afford it. They clean out their bank account or max out a card yet I have an Aquaracer, a Hamilton, several Seikos and so on yet I can afford any Rolex without a sweat. I love them but just haven't gotten to the point where I want to take that leap yet. When a guy walks into an AD and buys a 10k to 15k Rolex as a gift and doesn't even give it much thought then that impresses me. I generally have no problem dropping 25k to 30k on a Harley Davidson but thats just my passion. Maybe one day ill move to the upper tier.
i think its good that ads sort out the people that think they get treated with respect even if they go to the ad with shabby clothes. What do they think they are? Showing no respect to the store owner will never lead to a nice shopping experience.
I have discovered that there are many more awesome non snobs in the real watch world than there are snobs. It's refreshing actually. Solid group of people out there and great friends I have made in the watch community.
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I agree. Then there's anti--snob whom i find quite a difficult character. Guy from Justbluefish did a video on that type of guy. You should check it out. Thanks for watching!
The Timeless Watch Channel it’s a little like your comment about wine. I love great wine but have worked with some real pros who understand some of the most elegant reds are not the most expensive. Far from it. I have an Instagram account hands_on_watches where I have everything from my pre moon speedy to a newly acquired yema meca quartz, from speed timers to Daytona’s. My $300 watches get as much wrist time as others. Anyway love your channel. Quoted your fun fact about the sea master logo coming from the oar housing on the gondolas to a so called watch snob in Sydney. Made me $50 :)
I think one of the problems is that high-end, high street clothes and designer fashion brands cost a lot of money. Jeans, trainers and casual wear can actually be very expensive - their clothes aren't cheap. So for the guy thinking "what's the problem, I'm wearing my new thousand dollar casual clothes?", what's not being relayed is that the unofficial "dress code" of a luxury experience is somewhat formal attire. But people often equate expensive "anything" as good enough for any occasion, rather than dressing appropriately to suit the expectation and environment of that occasion.
Could you do a channel or series of video's about getting started in wine? What to look for? What things are good to try on the cheap until you figure out what you like and then maybe move up the tiers?
Leaving this comment not having scrolled down so maybe someone already made this point Agree for the most part on the paying for the experience not just the product.. judging book by the cover argument.. walking past a Madison Ave boutique gestured to the guard "are you open?" @ which point he nodded "for you, sir, we are". I was wearing a suit (hedge funder), I wonder what racial/socieconomic prejudices/biases the door guards have when reading the person to grant entry or not. In NYC where I live wealth is often stealthy, an AD or an exotic car dealership or any luxury lifestyle retailer should not make a blanket judgment b/c never know a young tech CEO who just IPOed or had a 9 figure exit/liquidity event in a tee jeans & sneakers could be the customer. An experienced sales professional should be able to make those decisions in split second, since many three piece types wonder in to window shop & leave empty handed.
From an outsider looking in, if it has stainless or titanium case it more less in an abstract way it can get a pass as a tool watch. The analog is chisels or kitchen knives from Japan. Some cost 10,000 of K as they are hand forged using 1000 year old technical to pound out the impurities of the tamahagane steel. Others use very expansive super stainlesses like ZPM-189 other just use simple high carbon or basic VG10 at end of day if you use it, it's more or less a tool. Anything adored with precious stones or metal is ceremonial and not a tool even if it's a watch or sword. e.g. With Patek a 7118/1a - Nautilus is a tool watch the nearly identical 7118/1200A is not
Have you heard of a winery called “Screaming Eagle?” Its a California Napa Valley cult wine that is waitlisted for years and traded in the secondary market. Worth a try if you can get it in Europe.
I love my Rolex Sub. I acknowledge that as a watch snob, I have difficulty thinking about buying an Omega or a Tudor. I know they are great watches, at least as good as a Rolex, but I bought my Rolex because my Tudor Sub didn't say Rolex on the dial. Snob? Mea Culpa. BTW, I wouldn't be caught dead wearing an Apple watch. It is the antithesis of what I think about watches, what they represent, et al. I've been able to get into high end dealers, Rolex, etc, by flashing my Rolex Sub. I don't dress like a bum in the first place, so when I make sure they see my Sub, I've not been let into any dealer.
Preach brother! You're spot on. There aren't any Patel buyers who don't care about first class. None. Zero. There are no unicorns. Just us watch snobs.
I don't think "snob" is exclusively a punch upward. I have seen an AP owner calls a Rolex owner a watch snob before because a Rolex owner talk shit about someone else's cheaper watch.
Within the context of your definition, yes I am a watch snob. But I don’t think most of us have the snob trait of looking down on others who aren’t as educated as us on the topic or who don’t have a collection.
I´m a man, who was born in the wrong century, I would like to live in these times, when men wore handcrafted suits, hats and welted shoes and I think it´s not snobbery to search and appreciate Craftsmanship in watches, fountainpens, small leathergoods etc. between all these "made in China Products" and in times of hightech and fast living, for me this is not snobbery, for me, and I can only speak for me, it´s more a "clutching at straws" ;-)...
OMG, wow, I kinda didn’t think about it, I shall up my game next time I go to my AD, normally I’m in shorts and t shirt, mmm, many thanks, really mean that.
Can’t go wrong with Rolex as long as you like the watch. Movements are great and mostly very durable. Many other makes of snob value are lacking in the updated movement as they do not compare with Rolex in this respect. Omega watches were a little lacking in the movements a decade back but are now seriously Rolex standard or better. Up your game Rolex or watch out, Skydweller excluded as it is a genius design.
Snobbery and discriminating taste are not the same thing. Snobbery is when you are a guest at someone's home and you refuse to drink the sub-par wine they offer you, if not secretly. Discriminating tastes would be to enjoy the sub-par wine as not to offend your host.
Felt good to get treated special when buying my Rolex Explorer. And I’m not rich but my $ was hard earned and they respected that.
I’m far from a watch snob. But I was wearing my submariner last week at a get together, and this guy saw it and said “man I can’t stand Rolex”. So I asked what he was wearing, and of course he’s rocking a “diamond” encrusted 50mm invicta. I had to put him in his place. I don’t care what ppl wear, but don’t rip on watches with horological significance when you’re wearing an amazon special
Audiman77 omg lol good for you!
🤣 well done!
Well done Sir
This is the way.
How do you think you’d have reacted if he was wearing a Seiko 5?
People say I’m a terrible snob - but I think I’m really good at it!
Oscar Wilde called, he asked that you return his line 😄😄😄
I purchased my first Rolex on impulse. I walked into a AD at the Roosevelt Field Mall (New York) two weeks before this Christmas and casually mentioned what I was looking for. I was planning on buying a Deep Sea, but not just yet. The lady walked away and to my surprise, a minute later came back with a black face DS 126660. Needless to say, I purchased it and here I am 6 months later and could not be more happy. You hit on the head Oisin. A watch, never mind a 14 K watch, has no practical purpose. Clocks are everywhere. Cheap watches are even more common. But I purchased mine because I love the engineering and craftsmanship, and yeah - a bit of exclusivity. Am I a snob? You bet. Love the channel. Keep up the good work.
Is Rolex really exclusive anymore? So many people want one and so many people have them...all economic stratifications. So many out there that Rolex really isn't that special anymore.
Just ordered two cheap quartz watches at 75 euros each.
I also own some high end and mid tier pieces (4k-12k). Quite a few entry level pieces too (sub 3k).
I just love watches. I enjoy wearing them all, in a different way but all satisfying nonetheless.
“Appreciation and understanding” ... Perfect.
This is probably the best video on luxury watches I have ever seen. Perfect job! Great video!
As one who grew up in poverty and has worked himself into the upper middle class I appreciate the classes. It keeps me motivated to achieve more. Though I’m more of Omega/Rolex budget, own both, I’ve walked into dealers to try on Patek and Richard Mille and do not feel uncomfortable one bit. It’s just more inspiration. I will own a Patek one day. I also ride a a Harley and love Lynard Skynard. 😂 Very good content. Watched your last two videos and you’re two for two. Subscribed.
Me too man! (except for the Harley & the Skynard. But i did do a session in southern tracks once, where they recorded a lot of stuff)
The Timeless Watch Channel Did you produce or play on the session?
Played it. Nick DiDia was producing.
The Timeless Watch Channel Thats very cool. He produced for several bands which are household names!
He's a great guy. And a huge fan of my band. we did some lovely work together.
I appreciate your honesty ! As long as you don't treat other people badly there is nothing to be ashamed of, if you are rich and wealthy ! It is the personality and your character that makes you Human Being, not your money ! But, on the other side, there is jealousy ! If you show your good taste, your appreciation of fine things, your passion for art and craft by having a luxury watch, a nice pen, a suit... then people start thinking of you as of a snob, without knowing how hard you work and what else you gave up to pursue your passion. Passion is the strongest driving force to fulfill your dreams. Without passion I would consider myself a failure !
This is 100% the truth , absolutely spot on .
When you buy expensive watches your buying the whole experience champagne etc. I'm lucky enough to have a Rolexs and tudors and I always get dressed up as it makes the experience better. I also own swatch watches and can walk in with shorts and t shirt on and no one in the store cares. It's all about knowing what your buying and enjoying the experience. It's not snobbery it's just manners.
Thank you for this! This applies to other realms of collecting as well. Your clear articulation of understanding higher levels of any given subject (and lower tolerances for the lesser) is something I can now use to explain my views on another subject... (Thanks for the warning on the Yellowtail by the way) Cheers.
Received a call the other day from my local AD to say that what will be my first-ever Rolex has just arrived in store, and I hugely looking forward to not just getting the watch on my wrist but also the whole "experience" of going to pick it up, sitting down with the salesman and everything else that the visit will entail - just as soon as this bloody Covid-19 lock-down is over!
I remember a few years back watching a food network "star" on one of their programs mentioning how he was looking at a person's watch and how he made fun of it to another snob that the watch wasn't an "automatic" or a "mechanical" but a "quartz" movement watch. I lost respect for that person. He acted like he was so much "above" that person. Really disgusting.
I think I know exactly what scene/person you are talking about. I think he said something about looking at someones watch to see if the second sweep was "smooth" or if it ticked. I often do the same thing. If someone has an automatic watch I might start a conversation because we are both probably interested in watches, but if its not, then I don't and I assume they don't know any better or they just don't care about watches (ex. Bill Gates wears a sub $100 Casio diver). I know there are amazing quartz watches out there (some Grand Seikos for example) but if someone really likes watches and knows what they are talking about then they will most likely wear an automatic, regardless of the price point. The 'star' wouldn't say something condescending to the person, he is just using the observation to silently inform himself that the other person isn't 'in the know' when it comes to watches. Also, if you watch his program, you will see that he is an anti-snob when it comes to his profession. He eschews trendy, expensive tools over on-hand devices. He is very practical and knows seeks to share his knowledge. I don't particularly like the 'star' you are referring to or his show(s) but I do respect him because he is very knowledgeable about food and his (original) show is science based and devoid of the usual tropes. I could be totally wrong and he could be a huge jerk, but I don't think so.
I surely appreciate the craftsmanship and the mechanics of my watch. Yes I'm a HUGE watch snob!
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Really great post. This concept extends to lots of things. Interesting that you brought up Apple Watch. I have the same snobbery with regard to that because I enjoy and know luxury time pieces. I don't want a timepiece that everyone else has. But, interestingly, when it comes to the iPhone, AirPods, iPad, or laptop, I'm an Apple snob because the whole Apple un-boxing experience is superior to anything else. And the products live up to the un-boxing experience. I suspect that anyone that hasn't yet experienced that would call me a snob until they experience it for the first time. It's something to aspire to.
Great video!! I completely agree with your observations
Thank goodness someone finally said this (and said it well). Right up yours, California man.
There is a big difference between Snobbery and Pretence. I think the watch world has more pretentious people than snobs.
well said
I thought those were the same thing, no?
There is also a big difference between discernment and snobbery.
@@herebarian I think Oison is suggesting that a snob = a connoisseur, someone who appreciates and understands good wine, good watches, art etc. A pretentious person doesn't appreciate those things just wants them to stoke their ego and make them look important. Pretentious = ostentatious.
I work in the craft beer and wine industry and you hit the nail on the head my friend. Love your videos mate.
My favorite phrase: "how about some luxury at home with some soap?!' Good vid. Keep at it!
Another Very Intelligent Post. Like me, You have an Intrinsic Understanding of Snobbery because you're A Celt!
I think it's important, however to appreciate the Nuances of Categories. There IS A Difference between Discernment, Exclusivity & Snobbery. Someone who can differentiate between Châteux Cardboard & Château Neuf Du Pâpe or an Omega 321 & 861 handwound mechanical chronograph movement has Discernment. Exclusivity whether of Viticultur or Horology is usually determined by money. If You're not holding The Necessary Spondulicks to purchase that Rolex GMT Ceramic Pepsi BLRO, You're Excluded from ownership. If You ARE holding The Necessary Folding but the Rolex Boutique won't sell You one - THAT'S Snobbery. I say, Patronize A Good 2nd-Hand Dealer & pay Ca$h.
Everything you said is true about watch snobbery. Great insight. Owning and wearing a Rolex or Patek Philippe or a few other brands is a status symbol. Like driving a Porsche, Audi, Rolls Royce or Bentley. And snobbery continues into other forms like Real Estate, travel and clothes. And like men, women enjoy their designer hand bags like men enjoy watches. Take for example, the Hermes Birkin bag. Like the Daytona of watches, these bags can cost at least $10,000 or more and are very hard to get. Louis Vitton is up there as well as Gucci.
I think people will learn something by watching this video.
Great video. I’m not the least bit rich but I’ve always loved watches and have a modest collection for the exact reasons you explained. Most people assume I’m part of that “1st class”. People make assumptions about me that aren’t actually correct. I think they assume I’m a snob or wealthy. I guess that’s what happens when you wear a nice watch or drink a nice wine or drive a nice car even if that’s the only thing in your life that you decide to spend your money on.
I’m an absolute watch snob and proud of it. There, I said it
Spot on. Just subscribed. Only negative about this video is the fact that it's half ten in the evening and now I want burgers.
dressing and acting nicely is a way of showing respect to the place and people where you go, that is why you get some extra respect points back when you do so.
Dear creator, glad I found this video because I really learned a lot about rolex' customer experience and the high luxury world / finer life from your perspective. Thank you for sharing and being open and honest about status, pleasure, enjoyment. Best regards from Europe.
Would love to see some videos on your take on wine. I am relatively ignorant about wine and you have a fantastic way of describing, discussing and explaining your topics!
I drink Budweiser while viewing other watch channels, but I only drink Champagne while viewing The Timeless Watch Channel.
That's what i like to hear!
@Angelo Soulas Ha! I actually have a 1989 Vostok Mini Komanderskie naval watch with a gorgeous teal-blue sunray dial that my husband gave me. He bought it himself from an American military officer who was in Berlin when the Wall came down, crossed over into East Germany to buy a few souvenirs, and decided later to sell some of them. It’s probably not valuable, and the bezel is not even uni-directional, so I definitely wouldn’t trust it for actual diving, but it’s beautiful in my eyes, has sentimental value since it was a gift from my husband, and has a good story behind it. So far, no one has recognized it when I’ve worn it out and about - at least, no one who has commented on it to me. I hope it doesn’t “scare” anyone who does recognize it!
Probably the most honest and incisive video that I have ever seen about the world of luxury watches 😎
Your vids are great man! You talk abt the watches, how to create a relationship with the AD, wearing a rolex and talk to a lady, the amazing filming like Trieste, and so on! It all works on real life! Youre the real 007 hahaha, keep going on! 👏💯👍
Finally a bloody honest confession. Just loved it.
I enjoyed your reflections, and I must say you have put together a good case.
I still can't say I completely agree.
I agree. I love the mechanical movement..... Nothing wrong with a quartz, but to me quartz is a shortcut. To make gears, file down a case and parts you can barely see with the naked eye is art.
Great thought provoking content. Rolex jealously guards it’s luxury status and rightly so. I bought a Datejust recently and the Sales woman was telling me in the AD that they no longer offer any zero percent interest deals or discounts. So Rolex want you to be the person that can drop 100% of the watch’s full retail price in one go right there and then. They don’t want just anybody with a credit card to swing by and leave with their product on their wrist. Make of this what you will - it could be seen as snobbery or just brand protection. They are gunning for the Patek market after all and if you buy a Rolex you’d like the assurance of that kind of aspiration protecting your investment. Also, Paul Thorpe an ex Dealer and watch expert was sitting with another seasoned dealer doing a live Q&A and they mentioned how the ultra ultra rich guy would just walk in through the door wearing just jeans and a leather jacket then drop eye watering amounts on the highest end pieces without a second thought. So the crazy luxury watch world we find ourselves in is a very broad church indeed.
Great points!
Watch collecting it's all about differentiation and appreciation from your piers who share the same passion.
Nothing wrong with that.
Vive la diférence!
I agree that understanding and keeping high standards is appropriate in many fields, like watches. I think the snobbery comes in when you treat people with distain because they don't share your particular passions, or have less knowledge and investment in something. I don't look down on people because they know less about watches them I do. There are many people who know more than me.
There was a great saying from the late great God Father of Italian cooking, a good wine is a wine you like.
It's only ridiculous to spend a lot of money on a watch if you cannot afford it. If you can afford the timepiece that you desire and appreciate, more power to you! There's a reason that these exquisite pieces cost so much, they are precise and beautiful! People love peeping through a keyhole watching others buying expensive watches and getting great satisfaction just by watching. Those calling the few who can afford things like Rolexes snobs are probably jealous. I love to watch...
It's weird because I am the unwashed masses dude and I walked into a Patek AD and they treated me just like the rich Chinese guy in there who was buying 2 watches. I don't think that it's bad, though. I see it as though they are fine sharing their art with everyone who is interested in it. You don't need an expensive suit to go see the Mona Lisa for example.
Herb you walked in with class and poise and conducted yourself in a refined way. You just didn’t realize it.
Went to an IWC AD at the South Coast Plaza in Orange County, CA, I was wearing my shorts, t-shirt, and flip flops wearing my apple watch. They paid no attention to me. So I left and drove home in Porsche Panamera 4 turbo. Good luck IWC.
I’ve heard this about IWC before. Sounds like the have an attitude problem.
@ Sure do. Great episode, for the most part your video is spot on. I have a friend who owns a Lambo dealarship in Orange County, CA. He always tells me that the person coming in the flip flops and t-shirts buy the $500k car vs. the 3 piece suit guy.
Been getting called a food snob and a fitness snob for years. Everyone has been real quiet though since COVID hit. Bought a Rolex Sub no date just to be a bigger snob yet. Love your channel. Keep it up!
This video is so spot on, local AD's where I am are not upscale enough, they generally don't even have a place to sit (you are just standing at the counter). Big turn off. If I am going to spend, 5/15/30k on a watch, I want a relaxed, smooth, comfortable experience. Otherwise I would just buy online or rock a G-Shock.
Does that make me a wine snob? You bet your ass it does 😂😂😂
Not a wine person but I pick up what you’re putting down. It’s hard to go back to a “normal watch” when you start spending money on the finer ones. Still enjoy them all!
Perfectly put sir.
A connoisseur is someone who genuinely enjoys and is fairly knowledgeable about what many call luxury items. I’d like to think that most watch enthusiasts fall into that category. A snob is someone who may indeed share those same feelings. But snobbery arises when someone derives equal (if not more) pleasure from relishing the thought (mistaken or not) that only a select exclusive few share in that enjoyment and knowledge.
I completely agree with you on wine. I will invariably choose a beer over the "house" wine. Is that being a wine snob? Not if I don't put down the house wine to the host.
I think a lot of people refer to snobbery but actually mean people being jerks. I shocked a person when I complemented their Swatch while wearing my Omega seamaster. A lot of people throw on a Rolex sub and think they are the king and look down at the "inferior" people with a Seiko or whatever... they are jerks. I love watches for the art and not for the status.
That said, I expect to be treated at a certain level buying an Omega versus a regular Seiko. I agree on that for sure.
💯👌 Well said... Great content 👍
Totally disagree with you. Being discerning or having an appreciation for fine things is not snobbery. Snobbery is an attitude (most of the time condescending and pretentious). I have no time for snobs.
There is the story ( and l can’t confirm it as anything other than that) about the guy who goes on holiday in the Bahamas and takes his Rolex and his SKX. He goes diving with the SKX and the the dive instructor says “ that’s a nice watch”. He then goes to the bar at the hotel wearing the Rolex and the bartender says “ that’s a nice watch”.
very well expressed on the snobbery topic.... as much as how much I d like to deny for the past 2 decades, I am a watch snob according to your definition and I should be proud of it hahaha. cheers for the vid, best one ever watched.
I absolutely agree with you. And as long as nobody "punches down" on anyone, then being a snob is ok. It's when the watch snob punches down on someone for having a brand of watch not to his liking that the snobbery is now bad. And this also goes both ways (reverse watch snob). As long as you respect each other's watch choice then all is ok.
Most people will be happy to take your money, but there might be a few situations where that is not be the case. This conversation reminds me of Beverly Hillbillies. The show was all about a down-to-earth bunch of hillbillies that became filthy rich on oil and moved to Beverly Hills. It was a great and funny lesson in what really matters.
There is a difference between snob and enthusiast. Snobbery is always a sign of insecurity, especially for those who don't have anything as a person but material things around them.
I don't buy brands not because it's unaffordable but simply because I don't pay for someone's tag to brand myself. Especially when some ugly things are sold based on fake scarcity.
well explain. many people don't really get this. also like comment below " people will learn something by watching this video".
Lots of good comments. To me, there is nothing wrong with being a bit discriminating about the purchases you make, and the style with which you try to live, but “snobbery” is more about how you treat others.....especially those who may not be as fortunate. I worked hard to be in a position where I can now afford some of the better things.
Luxury is a personnel thing and sometimes relates to affordability....I recently bought 900 euro Seiko and was treated better than I was when I was viewing a omega speedmaster...which I could not afford anyway...
Great post that I enjoyed very much, but I think the definition of a snob is someone who looks down on a person they regard as being of a lower social standing. I don't think you do this at all. You don't look down on someone who buys cheap watch - you enjoy fine watches for what they are which is an entirely different thing. And you appreciate how fortunate you are. Nothing in this great video says you are a snob! I'm certain there are watch snobs out there, but I wouldn't watch this superb channel if I thought you were one of them! Super video. I would have loved to have seen you in conversation with the late great David Niven.
I guess you can say I walk the fence, when there’s a need to dress up, I’ll put on my taylor made Armani suit, silk tie and silk shirt and Rolex, most of the time I’ve got boots on a tee shirt and Carr Hart pants, my Omega SMP 300M and tools in my hands.
This is so right . Didn’t think I was a watch snob until someone like Oisin can put it in to words and analogies. It’s a great feeling to be treat like a king , even if it’s for a couple of hours while spending your hard earned . My wife’s not a watch snob either but she does like to drive her 50k car to work and back twice a week 😉
As you are with wine, I am with single malt scotch and as such, I thoroughly enjoyed watching your video while sipping Macallan 18 and appreciating my DSSD on the wrist...Cheers!
Completely agree with your analysis. The world of luxury is what it is. Though it has been redefined era by era this has been around for millennia. Royals, nobles, knights, wealthy tradesmen and merchants were dabbling and living in this world thousands of years before us.
It's not snobbery to appreciate and pay for craftsmanship, quality, or luxury. That's just being an aficionado and something anyone can become if they have the passion. It becomes snobbery when you judge others based on what they can appreciate or afford. That doesn't belong in the watch world...or anywhere.
Very fresh perspective. Snobbery is a relative thing depending who we are engaging with. Sometime even sharing of your passionate topic without putting anything/anyone down can be seen as snobbery because others see your knowledge as too intimidating. I ever have someone ask me to help him buy a $20/$30 Rolex replica. I said I don't do that and I became a snob. When I start to explain with a bit more I can recommend seiko/timex but I soon realised I'm just talking to a wall.
Mad Dog 20 20, Thunderbird, and Night Train are fabulous American wines. Even better when consumed out of a paper bag.
I think a lot of watch people are delusional, I'm probably no exception! another great video.
Well said. It’s all about perspective. Thanks for another great video.
3:30 confusing snob with connoisseur
7:10 not just art but also engineering.....Rolex is well engineered mechanical jewelry....
8:37 confusing luxury experiences with a luxury item....
12:00 yes buying expensive jewelry and an expensive watch are indeed very similar.....this is why many jewelers sell watches.....
14:30 confusing elitism and snobbery......
17:00 confusing exclusivity with snobbery....
none of what you talked about is snobbery.. snobbery is a Rolex owner looking down in a seiko owner......that is not cool.....
Here, have my like. I look down on people who look down on other people.
ryan webb lol
I like knowing that some people who wear Rolex like to sport it but truly cant afford it. They clean out their bank account or max out a card yet I have an Aquaracer, a Hamilton, several Seikos and so on yet I can afford any Rolex without a sweat. I love them but just haven't gotten to the point where I want to take that leap yet. When a guy walks into an AD and buys a 10k to 15k Rolex as a gift and doesn't even give it much thought then that impresses me. I generally have no problem dropping 25k to 30k on a Harley Davidson but thats just my passion. Maybe one day ill move to the upper tier.
i think its good that ads sort out the people that think they get treated with respect even if they go to the ad with shabby clothes. What do they think they are? Showing no respect to the store owner will never lead to a nice shopping experience.
I have discovered that there are many more awesome non snobs in the real watch world than there are snobs. It's refreshing actually. Solid group of people out there and great friends I have made in the watch community.
I agree. Then there's anti--snob whom i find quite a difficult character. Guy from Justbluefish did a video on that type of guy. You should check it out. Thanks for watching!
The Timeless Watch Channel it’s a little like your comment about wine. I love great wine but have worked with some real pros who understand some of the most elegant reds are not the most expensive. Far from it. I have an Instagram account hands_on_watches where I have everything from my pre moon speedy to a newly acquired yema meca quartz, from speed timers to Daytona’s. My $300 watches get as much wrist time as others. Anyway love your channel. Quoted your fun fact about the sea master logo coming from the oar housing on the gondolas to a so called watch snob in Sydney. Made me $50 :)
@@paulanthonyjohns Ha! Glad i could be of help!
I think one of the problems is that high-end, high street clothes and designer fashion brands cost a lot of money. Jeans, trainers and casual wear can actually be very expensive - their clothes aren't cheap. So for the guy thinking "what's the problem, I'm wearing my new thousand dollar casual clothes?", what's not being relayed is that the unofficial "dress code" of a luxury experience is somewhat formal attire. But people often equate expensive "anything" as good enough for any occasion, rather than dressing appropriately to suit the expectation and environment of that occasion.
Could you do a channel or series of video's about getting started in wine? What to look for? What things are good to try on the cheap until you figure out what you like and then maybe move up the tiers?
Leaving this comment not having scrolled down so maybe someone already made this point
Agree for the most part on the paying for the experience not just the product.. judging book by the cover argument.. walking past a Madison Ave boutique gestured to the guard "are you open?" @ which point he nodded "for you, sir, we are". I was wearing a suit (hedge funder), I wonder what racial/socieconomic prejudices/biases the door guards have when reading the person to grant entry or not. In NYC where I live wealth is often stealthy, an AD or an exotic car dealership or any luxury lifestyle retailer should not make a blanket judgment b/c never know a young tech CEO who just IPOed or had a 9 figure exit/liquidity event in a tee jeans & sneakers could be the customer. An experienced sales professional should be able to make those decisions in split second, since many three piece types wonder in to window shop & leave empty handed.
From an outsider looking in, if it has stainless or titanium case it more less in an abstract way it can get a pass as a tool watch. The analog is chisels or kitchen knives from Japan. Some cost 10,000 of K as they are hand forged using 1000 year old technical to pound out the impurities of the tamahagane steel. Others use very expansive super stainlesses like ZPM-189 other just use simple high carbon or basic VG10 at end of day if you use it, it's more or less a tool. Anything adored with precious stones or metal is ceremonial and not a tool even if it's a watch or sword. e.g. With Patek a 7118/1a - Nautilus is a tool watch the nearly identical 7118/1200A is not
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People can subscribe if they want. Fine by me. Won't stop me from making videos either way.
The Seiko Mod scene killed off any snobbery in horology!
Have you heard of a winery called “Screaming Eagle?” Its a California Napa Valley cult wine that is waitlisted for years and traded in the secondary market. Worth a try if you can get it in Europe.
Well said brother, only the worthy are allowed to get good watches. Commoners just get apple and swatch
I have that book in the back right corner,,,
So, I guess I must be a snob like you, lol,,,,,
Absolutely spot on video btw,,,
Bravo Mio Amico!👍🏼 Siamo tutti pazzi per questi orologi.😁
I'm totally a watch snob, who wears a cheap old and beat up Tag Heuer :D
The Rolex staff is trained to handle complete jerk customers. And I have to say there are more than what we think.
I love my Rolex Sub. I acknowledge that as a watch snob, I have difficulty thinking about buying an Omega or a Tudor. I know they are great watches, at least as good as a Rolex, but I bought my Rolex because my Tudor Sub didn't say Rolex on the dial. Snob? Mea Culpa. BTW, I wouldn't be caught dead wearing an Apple watch. It is the antithesis of what I think about watches, what they represent, et al. I've been able to get into high end dealers, Rolex, etc, by flashing my Rolex Sub. I don't dress like a bum in the first place, so when I make sure they see my Sub, I've not been let into any dealer.
Preach brother! You're spot on. There aren't any Patel buyers who don't care about first class. None. Zero. There are no unicorns. Just us watch snobs.
I don't think "snob" is exclusively a punch upward. I have seen an AP owner calls a Rolex owner a watch snob before because a Rolex owner talk shit about someone else's cheaper watch.
Great video. Really well explained.
Within the context of your definition, yes I am a watch snob. But I don’t think most of us have the snob trait of looking down on others who aren’t as educated as us on the topic or who don’t have a collection.
I´m a man, who was born in the wrong century, I would like to live in these times, when men wore handcrafted suits, hats and welted shoes and I think it´s not snobbery to search and appreciate Craftsmanship in watches, fountainpens, small leathergoods etc. between all these "made in China Products" and in times of hightech and fast living, for me this is not snobbery, for me, and I can only speak for me, it´s more a "clutching at straws" ;-)...
OMG, wow, I kinda didn’t think about it, I shall up my game next time I go to my AD, normally I’m in shorts and t shirt, mmm, many thanks, really mean that.
Recently discovered your channel. Fkn loving it... thanks for keeping the shit LEGIT!
The customer is always right, especially if he is spending 10-100k.
Can’t go wrong with Rolex as long as you like the watch. Movements are great and mostly very durable. Many other makes of snob value are lacking in the updated movement as they do not compare with Rolex in this respect. Omega watches were a little lacking in the movements a decade back but are now seriously Rolex standard or better. Up your game Rolex or watch out, Skydweller excluded as it is a genius design.
Snobbery and discriminating taste are not the same thing. Snobbery is when you are a guest at someone's home and you refuse to drink the sub-par wine they offer you, if not secretly. Discriminating tastes would be to enjoy the sub-par wine as not to offend your host.