Hey all, as always you can choose to do what you want with your money, however, I think many brands like the ones reviewed here make lofty claims in ads that prey on newcomers. In case you are interested and are new to watches I have several links in the description that should be helpful for what to look out for as well as some nice alternatives to these. Thanks for watching and I hope your holidays are going well! - Teddy
Teddy, have you see the playbook about how to start a fashion microbrand? It’s pretty spot on to all the messaging we saw in those marketing ads: imgur.com/a/6CNO8
China brands improve more than 1000 percent for the last decade at affordable prices which you can own, while swiss watches that costs thousands of dollars to buy is insane
@@romybuenaventura3133 if by improve you mean get "better at stealing and copiing" you are right. show me the something invented by China in the watches world and i will consider it. meantime i will still buy my Seiko, Casio, Timex, Orient, Tissot, Atlantic and other affordable REAL watckmakers. nobody is forcing you to buy limited series Pateks. i will never understand people that are shrugging off real cheap and serious watchmakers and buy Chinesse copies. You buy yourself a pair of cheap copy of Nike from China and i will by myself some original Addidas - you wear them for one summer, i wear them for 5-8 years. You buy yourself a cheap Chinesse watch and wear it for 3-5 years, i'll pass my watch to my kid.
I own two Fillipo Loreti watches, and I love both of them. Their customer service was excellent, as is the quality of their timepieces. They are "Italian inspired", not Italian made, and it even states so on their website. With that being said, few people can afford the type of watch that typically amounts to a small down payment on a home or automobile. "Homage" brands offer a customer-friendly, affordable option to the so-called "luxury" market. Are all chinese brands worth the money? Absolutely not. I am speaking solely from my experience as a happy owner of several quality homage pieces that I have purchased over the last few years.
@@TruthbyDefault Yes, I have actually. My uncle owns a Daytona, Datejust & Milgauss. Safe to say, he's a Rolex nut, as well as one of the reasons why I love watches, yet hold the feet of the luxury market to the fire. While these types of brands are legendary, the pragmatic side of me realizes that it is just a watch & its purpose is to simply tell the time. The point that I was making was that one didn't have to spend that type of money to own a watch that tells time accurately and reliably. I have $29 dollar Casio watches that are as accurate, if not more so, that will never require servicing, nor will it require me to sell one of my kidneys to enjoy it on my wrist. After all, Bill Gates wears a Casio Duro. Quite a statement considering his wealth & status.
I used to work at a high end store, and a lady came in a bit frazzled and looked at our mens watches. (Which we’re not very good imo). She told me she was looking for a watch as a gift to her husband for her anniversary. She showed me a vincero watch on her phone and said that she liked it and another associate at a different store recommended it as a good brand. I asked her budget and she told me $3000 and she mentioned to me that he had a “Tag” watch. I told her to go to the Omega store down the road. I’m pretty sure I saved that marriage.
Damnit I was gonna write the same thing! Anyone who has some notion of italian would know the "ch" doesn't make the "shh" sound. It's quite hilarious that they can get away with it.
Apparently brands that “cut out the middleman” don’t need any distribution at all! No logistics, no shipping - they don’t even have manufacturers! The watch just manifests on your wrist when you buy it. Incredible innovation!
When any company says ‘we cut out the middleman’ it means ‘we couldn’t get any shops to carry our products because they are shit, so we decided to sell directly to the public to get rid of them’
Not necessarily. Depends on the brand and the product. Some things I'd rather have a authorized dealer network, others I'd prefer to sell myself. For something like cheap ass watches you're far better off selling them yourself but for a real high end watch I'd want a dealer network just because of the status of the item itself.
@@davidkonevky7372 exactly. They're the people sourcing their cheap watches from AliExpress, the selling them to people. They are *by definition* the middle men.
It's always fascinating to see someone from a completely different RUclips community commenting on a video like this. These watches are worth less than a can of Beijing Corn!
Lets not forget the biggest middleman of them all... Government mandated taxes. If they cut out that middleman, that's a good ~10% discount with variations to where you live.
I fell for this crap a while ago, I bought a MVMT watch and within 6 months the strap was falling apart. Glad I found channels like yours to steer me in the right direction.
My rosegold strap just went back to copper. Thought it was my fault, now I know the quality sucks. Still good as simple additions to my outfits but that could have been accomplished by any other (cheaper) brand as well.
What got me into watches was Vincero. Saw their ad all over RUclips, did my research and found out they were crap, bought a Tissot instead. Fast forward a couple of years, got myself a Tudor. Thank you Vincero!
Ya, I think your story is a classic one in men getting into watches. Same for me, but I decided not to take the final turn into the historically dominate luxury brands. Instead, what I was/am after is intrinsic value...I want amazing design & materials with workhorse movements...high-spec micro-brand watches around $400 - $1,000 are my sweet spot.
I was out with a married couple one day. They were newly married and had gotten gifts for each other. She asks me what I think of the Daniel Wellington watch she bought him. I said, "it looks nice". That day haunts me forever...
If I was asked thar question I would just stay silent. Last week the wife of my brother on law bought him a technomarine..... I wanted to tell him he could have had so many great watches at that price range but I know better than to diss a gift.
I have a friend that is into Vincero watches, never even heard of the brand "Seiko". Couldn't believe it when he told me he didn't know the watch brand. What I do whenever someone doesn't know anything about watches is recommend different brands in a friendly manner (making sure not to diss their choices) and basically tell them that for the same price, there are a lot of high quality options worth looking into.
"What's important is you bought him the watch out of love and that's worth more than any watch out there in terms of sentimental value." "Aww thanks!" "It's still a shit watch though."
One of Vincero's commercial is a favorite classic! "Are you looking for a reputable affordable watch under $200"? I actually AM - and so after watching DOZENS of reviews all over RUclips - I found Orient, Seiko, Casio and Citizen. I even found some swiss quartz - like Tissot and Victorinox. "Vincero"?! Yeah right.
Same thing I was thinking bro. For the money some people pay for these crappy watch brands, they could have bought a nice looking, good quality watch from the brands you mentioned. A few days ago, I picked up a Seiko chronograph SSB325 on sale for $150, and I even saw several automatic Seiko's that look really good for under $200!!!
At 47, I recall as a young child in the late 70s and early 80s I would walk with my mum to do some food shopping. Most days we would walk past the Rolex dealer. Back in those days, the watches were left in the window with no shutters overnight. I was captivated by the beauty and expense of them. Thankfully it always stayed with me and my introduction to horology was in an era where the Internet didn't exist.
Thank you for this video ^^ I was honestly looking at MVMT watches and _liked_ the minimalism they had, if I hadn't stumbled across this there's a good chance I would've gotten duped by them like many others
Tell Vincero & better yet "RAYCON", ('CON' is literally in the name!), that you cut out are "cutting out the middleman" which is them and getting it direct from AliExpress!
When I started to get into watches, I almost put down the money to buy a Vincero. Since I was new to the game, their design really was the one the stand out. But thankfully my first entry watch was a Seiko Presage. Through some research and watching videos like yours. Really helped me to make an informed decision. If you are new to the watch industry, please take the time to do the homework and not let these predatory companies trick you into buying a trash product.
I have a Timex I bought for $35 at target when I was in college that looks EXACTLY like a MVMT or DW watch. Every time I see those ads it kills me that people really buy those for $150 and think they're getting a deal.
When i was short on money but wanted a nice watch i ordered a Zeppelin watch at wish...i would've never ordered a watch at this shitty place but normally the watch costs more than 300€ here in germany but the one from wish is pretty nice for the month i've had it. Im sure its a fake and will eventually break sooner than an original one but i got it for 12€...and its nice. Imma not cry when it breaks for sure.
They say that the cut out the middleman, but these watch companies spend A LOT on marketing and advertising- money which if not having been spent could have gone into a higher product at a cheaper price.
I always remembered how I found the Orient Bambino on Amazon while looking for a less costly alternative to a Daniel Wellington 😅 needless to say things have changed for me.
Perceptions and ideas about what people [think] they desire is always interesting and sometimes pretty scary. Just let that thought think in for a moment: An Orient Bambino is cheaper than a Daniel Wellington. What's even more scary, is that the Orient watch is not even close when it comes to how sought after it is among potential buyers across the globe.
@@TeddyBaldassarre what's funny of course is that the designer is wearing a datejust/day-date but the end product is a royal oak and milguass hybrid 😂😂😂😂
I just bought myself an Orient Mako II a little while ago as a birthday present to myself. I picked it because I absolutely loved the dial, the date complication, and the automatic movement. I don’t get the whole “minimalism” thing that these fashion watches are talking about. To me it just looks like an excuse for being lazy when designing the thing. Personally I like a watch that looks more complicated and unique. MVMT, filippo loreti, etc. all look like the first result on Google images if you search “watch.”
@@_nines8270 Mine is still ticking too! It’s been through hell and I’ve worn it every day since I got it, and it’s totally fine! I swapped out the band for a mesh one though, wasn’t a fan of the linked band it comes with. It’s accurate to about +/-5 seconds per day and I still love how it looks. Orient makes great watches, especially considering the price! Sometime down the line I want to pick up an orient bambino open heart. The open heart watches are SO cool, I love seeing the movement on the face.
If you think about the strategy most people that are buying them are just buying right from the ad. No additional research outside of that, the watches come to them and without the research, it appears like a great deal if these ads are all you see. If you look up any of these brands on youtube you will quickly find out that you are not getting what you are promised.
@@TeddyBaldassarre Agreed, personally, the best part of buying a watch, except for wearing it obviously, is the research, so many quality brands in each price range, so many cool designs, so many different styles, it's a big world.
what confuses me about these fashion watch advertisements is that you'll often hear them say, "at an affordable price" or "under 200 dollars." But I can buy an Orient for less than 200 dollars...
My dad once taught me a wise lesson: an oustanding product doesn't need a ton of advertising, because the reputation speaks for itself. If something is being widely marketed = it's most likely a result of bad sales... and bads sales are usually a result of a garbage product
I fell into the marketing trap of "cutting out the middle man" or whatever BS and bought a MVMT watch. A few years later and a little wiser I still cut out the middle man by buying a Citizen, wait for it, directly from Citizen. My new watch was only $50 more but is several times the quality.
I was in the process of purchasing a $220 automatic orient kamasu, sapphire crystals, fantastic quality watch for the price, and happen to stumble upon a nice looking citizen for sale for only $70!! Both came in last week and I couldn’t be happier bruh. You can tell there’s actual care, even with a regular $100+ standard citizen than so many other brands. I’ll soon be purchasing a seiko in the near future
Exactly, I bet they just make a generic assumption that anything Italian is definitely luxury, even though it entirely depends on the product. I've never heard of a luxury Italian watchmaker, and there's a good reason why.
The only thing these brands discovered is alibaba. It's comical to see the paid influencers talking about no middle man when they are the middle man for these brands lol
Crazy isn't it. I see watches on ebay for US$2.40 FREE SHIPPING that are junkier copies.... if these dumbos actually WENT on ebay or look at other watch reviews.... they wouldn't buy this other crap. But the pure fact that they can't even look on ebay first.... sucker born every minute.
My Citizen Eco Drive has been my daily watch for over 6 years now, I've been in love with it since I first saw it in the glass. Next week I'll be getting an Aquaracer.
Thank God we have a guy like you Teddy to keep us away from these brands. I remember buying an "Original Grain" watch back in the day after their debut just for the heck of it...only for it to start getting condensation inside randomly and falling apart and they said they couldn't help me or warranty it. It's losers like them that don't need to exist in the business. Thanks for doing all the hard work for us Teddy and being a true advocate for the business!
We have a saying that goes somewhere along the lines of "better a titmouse in your hand than a crane in the sky". One could argue that there's still a difference between a titmouse and a rock, but could that be an earlier spin on alpha wisdom?
I once bought a mvmt watch around 7 years ago when I was a broke student and wanted to get an affordable minimalistic watch. I felt scammed tbh. The quality was very bad, the leather strap got worn very fast and the watch just stopped working after a couple of months. It’s the first time I saw this kind of digital marketing campaign and naive as I was it won me over. It’s crazy to see all those other watch companies still doing the exact same thing and getting hard earned money from a lot of young and unknowing buyers, just like I was.
Can your ad have you hammering in a blacksmith, pulling off a welding mask, looking down at what you've been hitting with a big hammer, smiling, and picking up a flattened mvmt case?
Here’s an awesome name for one of these bootleg “Italian” watch brands: “LazamBorghini”... here’s their company slogan, “it’s sporty like a super car and delicious like pasta”
These Kickstarters make no sense. They ask for 20k, get 900k but are back asking for another 20k a few months later? What happened to that 880k bonus (expect of course the production of rewards for the extra funders)?
Zoltán, it's like comparing an Audi A4 - almost nobody compliments you for it, but it's a great car - versus a Kia Xceed - some say it's a wow looking car ... 😊
I continue to be amazed that folks throw their money at for profit companies who are developing new products, most of which are not actually innovative or original.
I guess they’re not only talking about luxury watches but luxury in general. It’s easier to find real luxury brands in Italy or France than in any other countries
My dad recently passed away from cancer and I inherited his watch collection. It is full of quartz goofiness that he loved (The Three Stooges, Felix the Cat, Popeye, etc). Though I am a mechanical watch fan, this is one of the greatest collections I have. I have so many memories of these watches. Though they aren't valuable by any means they have lots of value to me. These brands, are not going to be around forever nor will they have any "value" to them. They will always be cheaply made and recycled ideas from other well established brands. I would say, spend your money on what you want but there are better options out there that have at least a decent Miyota movement or say a Swatch Sistem51 that is a Swiss made mechanical that won't put a strain on your wallet! Great video Teddy! Glad to see you are doing well in a horrible year!
You gotta love Valuchi most of all because they claim to be an Italian luxury brand and never even stopped to ask how the name would be pronounced in Italian. -chi in Italian makes a “key” sound, rather than a “chee”, which means someone just threw “Italian sounding words” into Google and threw the first one into the email to their Chinese manufacturer.
That's because these pretentious watches suck, I got a TON of compliments on my "trash fashion brand" watches as you guys on this channel would put it. I do agree the marketing of these fashion watches is BS, I do agree that there are watches with probably better movement (which I don't get to see anyways unless I buy a skeleton watch). I only care about how it looks and hope they are of decent enough quality to last for some time. In case of a quartz I can just get it replaced
@@Sam-ko8mt that's such an influencer thing to say:))))) If it floats your boat - great! If you get compliments - which i highly doubt - good for you. I understand it's a tough pill to swallow you've been duped.But it happens many times that people would rather defend their poor choice than admit they were duped. It's called cognitive dissonance and it's quite common these days. I would be very mad if i bought one of these (i mean all of us probaby did in the beginning) for 200 bucks only to find out it's a cheap garbage costing about a couple of bucks to make. I mean there's nothing wrong with these watches per se for a couple of bucks. But to market them as luxury items at gazillion % profit margin and claiming they have the same quality and heritage as 100 year old brands - that's another thing. We're here just to inform of better options. But it's your money - spend it at wil:)))))
@@tommyboy71000 Dude if I like the product I don't feel like I am "duped". I understand the marketing is just marketing, I'm in business. I genuinly like the style of the watches I bought over most (if not all that I saw) of the more expensive ones. To each their own, but I do think most watch guys on the internet are pretentious as hell, you really think a lame looking rolex is worth 5000-10.000? It isn't to me and I gladly wear my Vincero green marble watch over it. But if others are willing to pay that much for such a watch then I'm fine with that; it's not my money nor my style Oh, and btw I like the style of my watches over the citizen/seiko/fossil watches too. You would call those "better options" but theyre not better if they look less nice or awful. And I buy my watches for me, not for compliments. And you may doubt i got them, but I did. By 'normal' people, not 'watch people' like on this channel who have very dissimilar taste to mine
@@Sam-ko8mt like i said - defending it does not make it better. But it's a subjective thing - the taste. Quality is not. Lame Rolex have been making watches for like 100 years and i think for this time people assembling these things by hand and while doing that reshaping and redifining the industry deserves a little credit. I would think so. That's why it's considered luxury. Fashion watches are not luxury like they claim to be. They're junk pretending to be something else. And that's an additional point. Genuinity! Everybody is lying these days. It's become a norm. Influencers lie, the brands lie, everybody lies just to make a quick buck. All the time the quality and reliability is going down the hill. Fashion watches are just the consequence of bombarding people with ads to sell junk. And it's working so long til you start doing a bit of research. But that's not everyone's cup of tea. Like i said - fashion watches have it's own place in the market. And if you buy that on sites like aliexpress etc., pay like 10,20 bucks, you got yourself a proper watch my friend. Maybe it will last, maybe it won't, but at least you pay what you get. It will probably be a knock-off of many brands and watches, but that's the chinese business model. The same can be said for a cheap Casio with one distinction - they've been around for many years, sold millions and millions of watches to happy costumers. They are what they are - not pretending to be luxurios. They don't make exaterated claims about how your life will change after buying this watch:)))) Call me oldschool, but i'm big on that - provable time of making quality products. I see influencers for what they are - prosstitutes for everything that brings them money. And these lying brands are a natural match for them. Win-win for everybody except for the customers:)))))
Casio is a highly respected brand. They've been making excellent watches for decades. And their classic reissue models are dirt cheap. Cheap does not mean bad. A cheap schnob wears Filippo Loreti, a connaisseur wears a Casio.
Hey all, as always you can choose to do what you want with your money, however, I think many brands like the ones reviewed here make lofty claims in ads that prey on newcomers. In case you are interested and are new to watches I have several links in the description that should be helpful for what to look out for as well as some nice alternatives to these. Thanks for watching and I hope your holidays are going well! - Teddy
@@jdrules23 Everybody is free to choose whatever they want. If you consciously choose a Filippo Loreti over a cheap Casio (which I highly doubt) then that's your prerogative and I respect that. However, those fashion brands prey on the unknowingly, not on us. That is: certain people think that their buying a "serious" watch because for the same money you can buy a Seiko or a Citizen. Those unfortunate people wear those to a wedding or, even worse, a job interview. They do not know that they are embarrassing themselves. Since watches nowadays are an accessory and not a necessity anymore and because they are 40 mm or larger and therefore VERY in your face they are the laughing stock of the part or they unwillingly make a bad impression at a job interview. That what's wrong w/ second rate overpriced brands. Its bad for the occasional buyer who spends his hard earned money on it.
Hey Teddy, Thank you for your videos. Really appreciate the detailing. Can you make and exclusive video for Watches like Obuku,Swatch,Orient, Skagen and other similar watches. which are not usually talked about.
On behalf of my whole country: stop saying you're italian if the only italian thing you have is a cheap and plastic-like "genuine italian leather" strap. Stop it, get some help
@@TeddyBaldassarre isn’t genuine leather actually a classification of the quality of the leather? And it’s one of the lowest categories, or something like that?
Who cares about the opinions of other people. Its about knowing the quality of what you're wearing, most people wouldn't bother to research which watch brands are good quality and which are junk.
@@verbalkint4258 Seiko is one of the historic watchmakers, who designed some of the finest mechanicals for decades and ended up making the incredibly accurate quartz movements that forced nearly every Swiss watchmaker to move towards luxury. Someone who really knows their watches would compliment the Seiko way ahead of the fashion watch that I'm not even going to name.
i recognize the first "influencer" on the Vincero ad. He does informative, yet snarky and tongue in cheek science videos. Not sure what that has to do with watches, but whatever...
Having to put my MVMT watch that my sister got me as a gift(when I said to everybody never get me a watch) next to my Orient Star is the hardest thing I do every day.
i was given an invicta watch by a close friend. I actually wore it to the gym because i didnt want to bang up my other watches, so i actually wear it more often than some of my other watches i had
Interesting! No, I mean that. I got an MVMT watch some 2-3 years ago, and honestly I love it. It still looks new (aside from the holes in the wristband getting a bit worn out) and works just fine. I've only needed to change the battery once so far, as the original battery held up for just over 2 years. It tells the time accurately enough (it's off by about a minute maybe once or twice a year.) Despite it being a type of watch that can't handle water well (it's not supposed to, it has a low level rating) it hasn't gotten any water damage, but then again I also don't subject it to water. Regardless of the brand, I think it just makes sense to take care of your watch. Also, I'm actually amazed that this watch has lasted me this long and is still going strong. Because all of my prior watches broke literally two weeks after I had bought them. I almost thought I had some kinda watch curse on me lol. So this bugger holding on for years feels like a miracle to me. And I've been wearing it pretty much every day. I realize now that maybe I was just lucky, or maybe I can't tell quality from shit. Both are absolutely possible as I really dunno shit about watches, and I get that my experience is not universal. As for the design I like how it looks (obviously, or I wouldn't have bought it) and I don't think it looks cheap at all. It has a golden (likely steel or other metal gold-plated) frame with a black face and brown leather strap. Nothing too fancy but it looks classic and I do get a lot of compliments for it. Even my dad was impressed and he's never impressed by anything I wear. Does that mean my MVMT watch is super high quality luxury stuff? No, I really can't be the judge of that. But I think it means that it can't be absolute bottom of the barrel crap quality, like all my previous watches must have been, at least not this particular item, and at the very least it means that it's good enough for me. That said, yeah I agree that their marketing tactics are awful, but I always knew that. I just thought "this is what companies do nowadays to sell their shit" and didn't think much of it. I come from the mindset that all kinds of ads and marketing is probably just scam, so I never listen to that part of any company, or at the very least I take all advertisement with a huge grain of salt. So was I scammed? I wouldn't say so. I didn't expect a rolex. But in actuality, this watch has exceeded my expectations by far. Especially since I only paid some $100 for it. But I still don't think companies should be shitty. So while I love my watch, I kinda doubt that I would buy from that same company again. So I think this video highlighted an important issue regardless of if you like these companies' watches or not.
This is so funny, there's a Vincero ad displayed next you your video on the sidebar and I'm looking at it while simultaneously hearing Vincero get ripped a new one.
My God, you too?! I have a Panerai, wear my Speedmaster almost daily, and the only time anyone has said anything about what watch I was wearing was when I had a G Shock XL on. Gutted.
Hey all, as always you can choose to do what you want with your money, however, I think many brands like the ones reviewed here make lofty claims in ads that prey on newcomers. In case you are interested and are new to watches I have several links in the description that should be helpful for what to look out for as well as some nice alternatives to these. Thanks for watching and I hope your holidays are going well!
- Teddy
I could make the off voice in Spanish or Italian, just to make the fun episode more fun XD
That's why I stick to Seiko. Specifically the Seiko 5 sports (Blue model with a bracelet) 😎 great watch and good fit.
Hello Teddy,
What are your views on Diesel watches ?
Teddy, have you see the playbook about how to start a fashion microbrand? It’s pretty spot on to all the messaging we saw in those marketing ads: imgur.com/a/6CNO8
A spoof would be EPIC
"There's minimalism as a pursuit, and there's minimalism as absence of thought". Love it.
That should be a quote worthy to remember. :D
That quote can inflict serious pain. 😁
But what if you’re pursuing an absence of thought
@@deangulberry1746 I don't need to pursue absence of thought. It finds me all the time. 🙃
I love that. Mindful minimalism or just plain lack of care and effort are two very different things
Fillipo Loretti, Italian luxury brought to you by Lithuanians direct from China
China brands improve more than 1000 percent for the last decade at affordable prices which you can own, while swiss watches that costs thousands of dollars to buy is insane
@@romybuenaventura3133 if by improve you mean get "better at stealing and copiing" you are right. show me the something invented by China in the watches world and i will consider it.
meantime i will still buy my Seiko, Casio, Timex, Orient, Tissot, Atlantic and other affordable REAL watckmakers. nobody is forcing you to buy limited series Pateks. i will never understand people that are shrugging off real cheap and serious watchmakers and buy Chinesse copies. You buy yourself a pair of cheap copy of Nike from China and i will by myself some original Addidas - you wear them for one summer, i wear them for 5-8 years. You buy yourself a cheap Chinesse watch and wear it for 3-5 years, i'll pass my watch to my kid.
I own two Fillipo Loreti watches, and I love both of them. Their customer service was excellent, as is the quality of their timepieces. They are "Italian inspired", not Italian made, and it even states so on their website. With that being said, few people can afford the type of watch that typically amounts to a small down payment on a home or automobile. "Homage" brands offer a customer-friendly, affordable option to the so-called "luxury" market. Are all chinese brands worth the money? Absolutely not. I am speaking solely from my experience as a happy owner of several quality homage pieces that I have purchased over the last few years.
@@AAndrews1968 bruh, something tells me you've never held a rolex in your hand...
@@TruthbyDefault Yes, I have actually. My uncle owns a Daytona, Datejust & Milgauss. Safe to say, he's a Rolex nut, as well as one of the reasons why I love watches, yet hold the feet of the luxury market to the fire. While these types of brands are legendary, the pragmatic side of me realizes that it is just a watch & its purpose is to simply tell the time.
The point that I was making was that one didn't have to spend that type of money to own a watch that tells time accurately and reliably. I have $29 dollar Casio watches that are as accurate, if not more so, that will never require servicing, nor will it require me to sell one of my kidneys to enjoy it on my wrist. After all, Bill Gates wears a Casio Duro. Quite a statement considering his wealth & status.
I used to work at a high end store, and a lady came in a bit frazzled and looked at our mens watches. (Which we’re not very good imo). She told me she was looking for a watch as a gift to her husband for her anniversary. She showed me a vincero watch on her phone and said that she liked it and another associate at a different store recommended it as a good brand. I asked her budget and she told me $3000 and she mentioned to me that he had a “Tag” watch. I told her to go to the Omega store down the road. I’m pretty sure I saved that marriage.
Doing God's work.
@@blas9520 i was definitely a few beers deep when I wrote that comment but thanks. 😆
You indeed saved that marriage 😂 great save!
Yep, and her hubby must’ve reciprocated her amply in the bedroom😎
@@nickchang5293 Yeah, I told her that an omega was the type of watch they could pass onto their kids one day. maybe they made some haha
I’m italian and the funny thing is that all these brands that claims to be italian can’t even pronunce their name correctly
Damnit I was gonna write the same thing! Anyone who has some notion of italian would know the "ch" doesn't make the "shh" sound. It's quite hilarious that they can get away with it.
You speak the truth my friend.
But did you think that maybe it's you Italians are ones who pronounce your language wrong? :)
I love Italy ❤️
But they cut out the middle man, so they must be pronouncing it the right way.
The source for all of these watch brands: Trust me bro
If the owner of the brand wears a V-neck and gives you a "brah" vibe, steer clear.
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So basically all advertising?
Apparently brands that “cut out the middleman” don’t need any distribution at all! No logistics, no shipping - they don’t even have manufacturers! The watch just manifests on your wrist when you buy it. Incredible innovation!
Lul, you made me burst out of laugh.
omg! this is hilarious!
When any company says ‘we cut out the middleman’ it means ‘we couldn’t get any shops to carry our products because they are shit, so we decided to sell directly to the public to get rid of them’
Not necessarily. Depends on the brand and the product. Some things I'd rather have a authorized dealer network, others I'd prefer to sell myself. For something like cheap ass watches you're far better off selling them yourself but for a real high end watch I'd want a dealer network just because of the status of the item itself.
I would love to check Monta watches in person. Some of those claims are real for very few companies.
I came across a watch dealer yesterday in Copenhagen selling MVMT :I
It just means "we are the middle man"
@@davidkonevky7372 exactly. They're the people sourcing their cheap watches from AliExpress, the selling them to people. They are *by definition* the middle men.
Guy wearing Vincero: Girl “hey sexy”
Me wearing my Panda Speedmaster: Girl “why are you wearing a Mickey Mouse watch?”
Lol
Very nice watch 👌
Hahahaha!
Lmao
Me: Wearing a golden Patek Philippe grandmaster chime
Girl: *Damn why are you so fat*
I love how it’s genuinely annoying you 😂😂😂 me too mate
I’ve seen your TikTok’s, love your videos. What’s your favorite watch brand?
Do you follow everyone I watch?
Legend in the comments. I bet you ve been watching these commercials like: "What da heeeall!"
It's always fascinating to see someone from a completely different RUclips community commenting on a video like this. These watches are worth less than a can of Beijing Corn!
emotional damage mate
When you go on the Omega website and buy a watch, who is the middle man? Fedex?
Yeah, the driver’s name is Todd.
My driver was Bill!!?! Guess there are middle men!
My driver's name was Brian and he asked for the 2000$ markup by check :'(.
Lets not forget the biggest middleman of them all... Government mandated taxes. If they cut out that middleman, that's a good ~10% discount with variations to where you live.
LOOOOOOOOOL ... FedEX..... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The shot of the “designer” dragging stars onto the moon phase is absolutely priceless
@@nolanreed7090 nah, I'd tell that entitled millennial to get an apprenticeship with a real watch maker.
yeah but he wearing dat rolex doe
“WatchMaker.”
I fell for this crap a while ago, I bought a MVMT watch and within 6 months the strap was falling apart. Glad I found channels like yours to steer me in the right direction.
My rosegold strap just went back to copper. Thought it was my fault, now I know the quality sucks. Still good as simple additions to my outfits but that could have been accomplished by any other (cheaper) brand as well.
What got me into watches was Vincero. Saw their ad all over RUclips, did my research and found out they were crap, bought a Tissot instead. Fast forward a couple of years, got myself a Tudor. Thank you Vincero!
Excellent choices, and both (relatively) reasonably priced!
Ya, I think your story is a classic one in men getting into watches. Same for me, but I decided not to take the final turn into the historically dominate luxury brands. Instead, what I was/am after is intrinsic value...I want amazing design & materials with workhorse movements...high-spec micro-brand watches around $400 - $1,000 are my sweet spot.
@@scottsherman5262 That's a great starting price-range and definitely a variety of microbrands that can offer what you're looking for :)
Same here, but I went with Sekio as my first nice watch.
Me too! From Tissot diver to Tudor 1926
I was out with a married couple one day. They were newly married and had gotten gifts for each other. She asks me what I think of the Daniel Wellington watch she bought him. I said, "it looks nice". That day haunts me forever...
If I was asked thar question I would just stay silent. Last week the wife of my brother on law bought him a technomarine..... I wanted to tell him he could have had so many great watches at that price range but I know better than to diss a gift.
I think that was just being nice ,I was asked a very similar question and told them something very similar no need to be a jerk or offended anyone .
"No comment. Next question."
I have a friend that is into Vincero watches, never even heard of the brand "Seiko". Couldn't believe it when he told me he didn't know the watch brand. What I do whenever someone doesn't know anything about watches is recommend different brands in a friendly manner (making sure not to diss their choices) and basically tell them that for the same price, there are a lot of high quality options worth looking into.
"What's important is you bought him the watch out of love and that's worth more than any watch out there in terms of sentimental value."
"Aww thanks!"
"It's still a shit watch though."
Pagani Design has cut out the middle man too, you can get them straight from china xD
And they got that dope seiko nh-35/nh-35A movement in them :).
One of Vincero's commercial is a favorite classic! "Are you looking for a reputable affordable watch under $200"? I actually AM - and so after watching DOZENS of reviews all over RUclips - I found Orient, Seiko, Casio and Citizen. I even found some swiss quartz - like Tissot and Victorinox.
"Vincero"?! Yeah right.
Same thing I was thinking bro. For the money some people pay for these crappy watch brands, they could have bought a nice looking, good quality watch from the brands you mentioned. A few days ago, I picked up a Seiko chronograph SSB325 on sale for $150, and I even saw several automatic Seiko's that look really good for under $200!!!
Ikr found lots of gshocks for 200 too
Dude my casio F91W is so cheap and actually realy good :)
@@robbiew1122 LMAO
@@robbiew1122 did you really come to a watch related channel to talk about DW watches
Watching Teddy tearing into Vincero...
[Ad break] : Vincero ad.
Priceless😂
The joys of Vincero paying for Teddy to bash on them...
I had a very similar experience, though mine was twice as painful- two crap watch ad. breaks .
I’ve been getting the bad CGI Breitling Santa ad.
The exact same thing just happened to me 🤣
At 47, I recall as a young child in the late 70s and early 80s I would walk with my mum to do some food shopping. Most days we would walk past the Rolex dealer. Back in those days, the watches were left in the window with no shutters overnight. I was captivated by the beauty and expense of them.
Thankfully it always stayed with me and my introduction to horology was in an era where the Internet didn't exist.
Some girl complimented me on my watch by saying " nice DW watch" . I was wearing a Nomos.
Lmao
I would have been so mad!
Ouch!
I felt hurt and it even didn't happen to me😂 nice watch though!
yeah probably because of the bauhaus design
Vincero was the advert that played when I watched this clip lol
Same here
Same
Yup, never ever got an ad from them on YT before
Same
Yup, just had it playing now
Thank you for this video ^^
I was honestly looking at MVMT watches and _liked_ the minimalism they had, if I hadn't stumbled across this there's a good chance I would've gotten duped by them like many others
Really don‘t wanna be a middleman these days ✂️
I used to be a middleman. But then i got cut.
Bad enough being a middle child.
Hahahaha 😂😂
Tell Vincero & better yet "RAYCON", ('CON' is literally in the name!), that you cut out are "cutting out the middleman" which is them and getting it direct from AliExpress!
"We spent 3 times more on material and manufacturing" than who? 😂 Like there is not even any context haha
0*3=0)))
Also spending more money isn't necessary better
I caught that as well. Such bullshit 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Don't forget three times as many compliments!
tbf i might believe that literally anyone spends 3x more than what daniel wellington spends on materials
When I started to get into watches, I almost put down the money to buy a Vincero. Since I was new to the game, their design really was the one the stand out. But thankfully my first entry watch was a Seiko Presage. Through some research and watching videos like yours. Really helped me to make an informed decision. If you are new to the watch industry, please take the time to do the homework and not let these predatory companies trick you into buying a trash product.
I have a Timex I bought for $35 at target when I was in college that looks EXACTLY like a MVMT or DW watch. Every time I see those ads it kills me that people really buy those for $150 and think they're getting a deal.
When i was short on money but wanted a nice watch i ordered a Zeppelin watch at wish...i would've never ordered a watch at this shitty place but normally the watch costs more than 300€ here in germany but the one from wish is pretty nice for the month i've had it. Im sure its a fake and will eventually break sooner than an original one but i got it for 12€...and its nice. Imma not cry when it breaks for sure.
@@uve8ji205 Just get a casio, the cheapest is like 12 USD, reliable and has tons of functions built in with tons of history in the brand.
Yes, but Timex has a much deeper history than all this brands.
@@kaeptnkrunch9212 Timex is just an American thing. No reason to buy it for that
The problem is right there in your post: They think... Yeah, maybe they should try something less difficult. 😎
I'd love to see the spoof/parody of these ads you have in mind Teddy!
+1
We need this
Yes we need it
it has been 1 year but yes
I stoped watching "Real Men Real Style" when he made a pitch for the Vinceros. LOL
A guy who bragged about his Rolex!
I always thought mvmt watches look like they came out of a plastic ball surprise machine, or a box of cereal.
Well said! 👍😄
Or the ones you win at a circus fare if you missed all targets.
Seriously fake Chronograph hands...... from plastic......... eww
How dare you insult cereal toys like that? Lol
@CRF.Channel97 crazy
Yeah or the fashion watches at target or Walmart sell with some leather bracelet bs
Lol, a Vincero ad played before this video.
Haha typical
I got Longines, so i watched entire ad.
@@markl367 those Longines ads are so good I'm probably going to buy one
Longines on RUclips and JLC on Instagram always draw me in
@@funkmon got a master collection on rn! You won’t regret !
They probably use “italian” branding because legally they can’t put swiss branding when at least 60% of the watch isn’t made in Switzerland.
When you realize Teddy is the middleman himself 👁👄👁
I need some stitches from being cut this much...
@@TeddyBaldassarre That’s a top quality answer, my friend. But not as top quality as your straps! ;)
@@tecnogadget2 🌽🌽🌽🌽
😂😂😂
Apparently if you "middleman" higher end watches or "quality microbrands" you are a cut above the "bad watch" middlemen.
They say that the cut out the middleman, but these watch companies spend A LOT on marketing and advertising- money which if not having been spent could have gone into a higher product at a cheaper price.
Ah yes, Lithuanian’s selling me “high end” Italian luxury ... you love to see it
With the worst italian fake accent I've ever heard, and the other one, the dutch one i even worse
@@peppolicchiopappo7274 its not fake accent. A lot of europeans have that accent
@@BigDaddyDD He is Italian read his name
@@peppolicchiopappo7274 the first guy? Don't think he was trying for an Italian accent
@@noname-bt9ky His name is literally Lithuanian.
I love how in the valuci ad when they showed the leather craftsman, he made a knife sheath and not even the strap
If you look at their website the only have 1 model of watch and no plain leather straps
Probably the only stock footage they could afford at the time.
Awesome content! Loved the video here!
You helped me go with a much better Citizen Eco-drive than any of these
I always remembered how I found the Orient Bambino on Amazon while looking for a less costly alternative to a Daniel Wellington 😅 needless to say things have changed for me.
Perceptions and ideas about what people [think] they desire is always interesting and sometimes pretty scary. Just let that thought think in for a moment: An Orient Bambino is cheaper than a Daniel Wellington. What's even more scary, is that the Orient watch is not even close when it comes to how sought after it is among potential buyers across the globe.
Glad you found the orient, they make beautiful watches with quality movements
11:53 You know the watch brand is bad when the designer themselves wears a Rolex but not a watch from their own brand 😂😂😂😂😂
Hahaha great eye Katie. I am mad I missed that.
@@TeddyBaldassarre what's funny of course is that the designer is wearing a datejust/day-date but the end product is a royal oak and milguass hybrid 😂😂😂😂
@@TeddyBaldassarre 7:10 the 1st guy promoting the Vincero watch is the guy from the biograhics show btw🤔
@@katiewong2051 u mean Biographics? and Megaprojects
He didn't want anyone to think he was poor
I just bought myself an Orient Mako II a little while ago as a birthday present to myself. I picked it because I absolutely loved the dial, the date complication, and the automatic movement. I don’t get the whole “minimalism” thing that these fashion watches are talking about. To me it just looks like an excuse for being lazy when designing the thing. Personally I like a watch that looks more complicated and unique. MVMT, filippo loreti, etc. all look like the first result on Google images if you search “watch.”
That was my first watch as well! It has been through a lot by now and is still ticking along.
@@_nines8270 Mine is still ticking too! It’s been through hell and I’ve worn it every day since I got it, and it’s totally fine! I swapped out the band for a mesh one though, wasn’t a fan of the linked band it comes with. It’s accurate to about +/-5 seconds per day and I still love how it looks. Orient makes great watches, especially considering the price!
Sometime down the line I want to pick up an orient bambino open heart. The open heart watches are SO cool, I love seeing the movement on the face.
the sad thing: still too many people are falling for this whole crap those brands are preaching.......
If you think about the strategy most people that are buying them are just buying right from the ad. No additional research outside of that, the watches come to them and without the research, it appears like a great deal if these ads are all you see. If you look up any of these brands on youtube you will quickly find out that you are not getting what you are promised.
I just did. I bought a Valuchi now I feel like a moron lol
@@pokerdegen1186 best comment ever
@@TeddyBaldassarre Agreed, personally, the best part of buying a watch, except for wearing it obviously, is the research, so many quality brands in each price range, so many cool designs, so many different styles, it's a big world.
@@pokerdegen1186 what's their return policy? Get your money back asap and spend half the amount on a watch that will be x100 better. Pocket the rest.
what confuses me about these fashion watch advertisements is that you'll often hear them say, "at an affordable price" or "under 200 dollars." But I can buy an Orient for less than 200 dollars...
yeah, and Seiko, Timex, Casio....
And the fashion watches themselves are less durable than a _$30_ Casio/Timex 👁👄👁
Better an orient than this crap 😂😂 orient have an history and it’s a prestigious company, their calibers are not so bad, specially for the price.
They are kind of trying to sell the idea, that you're getting Rolex equivalent for $259
My dad once taught me a wise lesson: an oustanding product doesn't need a ton of advertising, because the reputation speaks for itself.
If something is being widely marketed = it's most likely a result of bad sales... and bads sales are usually a result of a garbage product
The best example in history: The "Covid mRNA vaccines"!
Your dad's a legend. Well said.
Isn't that true in general?
That tells you what we really need.
It's not all that much.
I fell into the marketing trap of "cutting out the middle man" or whatever BS and bought a MVMT watch. A few years later and a little wiser I still cut out the middle man by buying a Citizen, wait for it, directly from Citizen. My new watch was only $50 more but is several times the quality.
I was in the process of purchasing a $220 automatic orient kamasu, sapphire crystals, fantastic quality watch for the price, and happen to stumble upon a nice looking citizen for sale for only $70!! Both came in last week and I couldn’t be happier bruh. You can tell there’s actual care, even with a regular $100+ standard citizen than so many other brands. I’ll soon be purchasing a seiko in the near future
LMAO 😂!!!
i like how the watch that "isnt sexy"" in the vinchero advert is a MVMT
It’s funny that these kick-starter brands play off the whole Italian luxury theme while Italy isn’t even known for luxury watchmaking.
Exactly, I bet they just make a generic assumption that anything Italian is definitely luxury, even though it entirely depends on the product.
I've never heard of a luxury Italian watchmaker, and there's a good reason why.
The only thing these brands discovered is alibaba. It's comical to see the paid influencers talking about no middle man when they are the middle man for these brands lol
Crazy isn't it. I see watches on ebay for US$2.40 FREE SHIPPING that are junkier copies.... if these dumbos actually WENT on ebay or look at other watch reviews.... they wouldn't buy this other crap. But the pure fact that they can't even look on ebay first.... sucker born every minute.
All these watch brands are probably Alibaba specials where you can get a custom logo if you order more than 500.
Definitely.
That many?
@@chriswheeler4368 nah, think it's more like 300.
So that's why the first "brand" specifically said they need 500 pre-orders lol.
I stick to Citizen. They are in my price range, have longevity in the market, and a lot of the styles they have, I like.
My Citizen Eco Drive has been my daily watch for over 6 years now, I've been in love with it since I first saw it in the glass. Next week I'll be getting an Aquaracer.
Citizen & Seiko are the goats
Agree. Also Casios, they’ve got the edifice line & it’s 👍👌
But did u cut out the middleman???
I prefer Seiko Group: Seiko, Orient, or Alba. But your point still stands.
I had an advertising course in college and the term "glittering generalities" stuck in my mind. And now we know why televangelists own private jets.
There's minimalism as a pursuit, versus minimalism from absence of thought. Teddy's always ways dropping great one liners!
Made no sense in reality. it's just a platitude without substance.
Thank God we have a guy like you Teddy to keep us away from these brands. I remember buying an "Original Grain" watch back in the day after their debut just for the heck of it...only for it to start getting condensation inside randomly and falling apart and they said they couldn't help me or warranty it. It's losers like them that don't need to exist in the business. Thanks for doing all the hard work for us Teddy and being a true advocate for the business!
Fillipo Loretti: watch companies sometimes raise the price by 1000%
yes...like how you’re doing?
Still my favorite is "mvmt better than rolex".
We have a saying that goes somewhere along the lines of "better a titmouse in your hand than a crane in the sky". One could argue that there's still a difference between a titmouse and a rock, but could that be an earlier spin on alpha wisdom?
I once bought a mvmt watch around 7 years ago when I was a broke student and wanted to get an affordable minimalistic watch. I felt scammed tbh. The quality was very bad, the leather strap got worn very fast and the watch just stopped working after a couple of months. It’s the first time I saw this kind of digital marketing campaign and naive as I was it won me over. It’s crazy to see all those other watch companies still doing the exact same thing and getting hard earned money from a lot of young and unknowing buyers, just like I was.
11:25 says “these guys are the worst so far” then immediately cuts to what looks like Teddy himself designing the watches!
Hahahaha
he secretly works for them 😂
It does look like him!
Cue Spiderman meme
Can your ad have you hammering in a blacksmith, pulling off a welding mask, looking down at what you've been hitting with a big hammer, smiling, and picking up a flattened mvmt case?
FFS... don't give them idea! lol
A minimalist watch can be very cheap to make because there is not much to them, hence minimalism.
People trying to sell watches: Luxurious and shiny
Seiko: NARUTOOOO!!!
Rolex be like : you can try but won't get one
I Lol’d when I saw the Naruto Seikos. That’s like the Timex PacMan watch Jody at JOMW reviewed once.
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Don’t forget the JoJo part 5 colab
I live in Tokyo and I remember when I saw the first Naruto Seiko collab 😂 lowkey wanted one
Here’s an awesome name for one of these bootleg “Italian” watch brands: “LazamBorghini”... here’s their company slogan, “it’s sporty like a super car and delicious like pasta”
Lambarilla
Feauxrarri watches
I don't like pasta 😂😂 so the watch is just "sporty".
These Kickstarters make no sense. They ask for 20k, get 900k but are back asking for another 20k a few months later? What happened to that 880k bonus (expect of course the production of rewards for the extra funders)?
Strange, I never got complemented for my Mido Commander. Must be a garbage compared to Vincero :)
Commanders are ugly IMHO , sorry.
Idk I think they are pretty sweet especially those blue dials
Zoltán, it's like comparing an Audi A4 - almost nobody compliments you for it, but it's a great car - versus a Kia Xceed - some say it's a wow looking car ... 😊
Commander Miho is beautiful dude. Damn
Try wearing a Sinn, not only does it seem to be invisible but it makes you inivisible too.
That voice over for the Valuchi ad sounded just like the South Park SodoSopa ad and I was crying laughing.
😂💀💀💀💀
😂😂😂 Yessss!
Same here!
I continue to be amazed that folks throw their money at for profit companies who are developing new products, most of which are not actually innovative or original.
Second comment, I find it funny that these brands are equating Italian with luxury when the majority of luxury watch brands are Swiss or German
Very very very sad Luminor Panerai noises :(
I guess they’re not only talking about luxury watches but luxury in general. It’s easier to find real luxury brands in Italy or France than in any other countries
The best part of that Valuchi video was the watch’s designer wearing a Datejust on his wrist.
FAKE. you betcha
🤣🤣🤣👍
Things that these companies have in common are that their watches look cheap AND their marketing videos are annoying AF
My dad recently passed away from cancer and I inherited his watch collection. It is full of quartz goofiness that he loved (The Three Stooges, Felix the Cat, Popeye, etc). Though I am a mechanical watch fan, this is one of the greatest collections I have. I have so many memories of these watches. Though they aren't valuable by any means they have lots of value to me. These brands, are not going to be around forever nor will they have any "value" to them. They will always be cheaply made and recycled ideas from other well established brands. I would say, spend your money on what you want but there are better options out there that have at least a decent Miyota movement or say a Swatch Sistem51 that is a Swiss made mechanical that won't put a strain on your wallet! Great video Teddy! Glad to see you are doing well in a horrible year!
You gotta love Valuchi most of all because they claim to be an Italian luxury brand and never even stopped to ask how the name would be pronounced in Italian. -chi in Italian makes a “key” sound, rather than a “chee”, which means someone just threw “Italian sounding words” into Google and threw the first one into the email to their Chinese manufacturer.
"The key to value is a Valuchi!"
I was just gonna comment the same thing. Pronouncing it "valuchee" instead of "valukee" made me laugh and shake my head
I can’t get enough of this guy! I love this channel so much. Thanks for all the hard work!
I need you to make the Italian watch “cutting out the middle man” spoof and I promise to watch it daily...
I just want you to know that a Longines ad played before your video, and it made me happy :)
LITERALLY had a Vincero advert come up half way through this video. Hilarious.
I wear a Rolex Milgauss as the daily. I only have ever gotten compliments from people who know. Same with my Nomos.
It’s funny how all these people get compliments yet I can only recall a couple times anyone has noticed any of my watches.
Yeah, nobody cares whats on your wrist. They know how to sell this crap though!
That's because these pretentious watches suck, I got a TON of compliments on my "trash fashion brand" watches as you guys on this channel would put it. I do agree the marketing of these fashion watches is BS, I do agree that there are watches with probably better movement (which I don't get to see anyways unless I buy a skeleton watch). I only care about how it looks and hope they are of decent enough quality to last for some time. In case of a quartz I can just get it replaced
@@Sam-ko8mt that's such an influencer thing to say:))))) If it floats your boat - great! If you get compliments - which i highly doubt - good for you. I understand it's a tough pill to swallow you've been duped.But it happens many times that people would rather defend their poor choice than admit they were duped. It's called cognitive dissonance and it's quite common these days.
I would be very mad if i bought one of these (i mean all of us probaby did in the beginning) for 200 bucks only to find out it's a cheap garbage costing about a couple of bucks to make. I mean there's nothing wrong with these watches per se for a couple of bucks. But to market them as luxury items at gazillion % profit margin and claiming they have the same quality and heritage as 100 year old brands - that's another thing. We're here just to inform of better options. But it's your money - spend it at wil:)))))
@@tommyboy71000 Dude if I like the product I don't feel like I am "duped". I understand the marketing is just marketing, I'm in business. I genuinly like the style of the watches I bought over most (if not all that I saw) of the more expensive ones. To each their own, but I do think most watch guys on the internet are pretentious as hell, you really think a lame looking rolex is worth 5000-10.000? It isn't to me and I gladly wear my Vincero green marble watch over it. But if others are willing to pay that much for such a watch then I'm fine with that; it's not my money nor my style
Oh, and btw I like the style of my watches over the citizen/seiko/fossil watches too. You would call those "better options" but theyre not better if they look less nice or awful. And I buy my watches for me, not for compliments. And you may doubt i got them, but I did. By 'normal' people, not 'watch people' like on this channel who have very dissimilar taste to mine
@@Sam-ko8mt like i said - defending it does not make it better. But it's a subjective thing - the taste. Quality is not.
Lame Rolex have been making watches for like 100 years and i think for this time people assembling these things by hand and while doing that reshaping and redifining the industry deserves a little credit. I would think so. That's why it's considered luxury. Fashion watches are not luxury like they claim to be. They're junk pretending to be something else. And that's an additional point. Genuinity!
Everybody is lying these days. It's become a norm. Influencers lie, the brands lie, everybody lies just to make a quick buck. All the time the quality and reliability is going down the hill.
Fashion watches are just the consequence of bombarding people with ads to sell junk.
And it's working so long til you start doing a bit of research. But that's not everyone's cup of tea.
Like i said - fashion watches have it's own place in the market. And if you buy that on sites like aliexpress etc., pay like 10,20 bucks, you got yourself a proper watch my friend. Maybe it will last, maybe it won't, but at least you pay what you get. It will probably be a knock-off of many brands and watches, but that's the chinese business model.
The same can be said for a cheap Casio with one distinction - they've been around for many years, sold millions and millions of watches to happy costumers. They are what they are - not pretending to be luxurios. They don't make exaterated claims about how your life will change after buying this watch:))))
Call me oldschool, but i'm big on that - provable time of making quality products.
I see influencers for what they are - prosstitutes for everything that brings them money. And these lying brands are a natural match for them. Win-win for everybody except for the customers:)))))
I bought a fossil blue watch over 15 years ago. And other than replacing the battery. And paying around $90/$100 it still works perfectly
Fossil can have some good watches and can have really bad watches
even a cheaper casio is better then all those craps.. don't you think mate?😂
Casio is a highly respected brand. They've been making excellent watches for decades. And their classic reissue models are dirt cheap. Cheap does not mean bad. A cheap schnob wears Filippo Loreti, a connaisseur wears a Casio.
Hey all, as always you can choose to do what you want with your money, however, I think many brands like the ones reviewed here make lofty claims in ads that prey on newcomers. In case you are interested and are new to watches I have several links in the description that should be helpful for what to look out for as well as some nice alternatives to these. Thanks for watching and I hope your holidays are going well!
- Teddy
@@meneerjansen00 yes you are right i have bought Casio Duro last year and it is still going on as brand new.
@@jdrules23 Everybody is free to choose whatever they want. If you consciously choose a Filippo Loreti over a cheap Casio (which I highly doubt) then that's your prerogative and I respect that.
However, those fashion brands prey on the unknowingly, not on us. That is: certain people think that their buying a "serious" watch because for the same money you can buy a Seiko or a Citizen. Those unfortunate people wear those to a wedding or, even worse, a job interview. They do not know that they are embarrassing themselves. Since watches nowadays are an accessory and not a necessity anymore and because they are 40 mm or larger and therefore VERY in your face they are the laughing stock of the part or they unwillingly make a bad impression at a job interview.
That what's wrong w/ second rate overpriced brands. Its bad for the occasional buyer who spends his hard earned money on it.
The Casio Duro is the watch of choice for Bill Gates.
I love the ads during this video haha, you gave them SEO gold here Teddy :D. Thankfully I got AP ads only :D
Haha glad to see brands actually running ads for once. Thanks for watching buddy!
@@TeddyBaldassarre Of course, cool video! And I don´t mind AP ads, there´s some sense in them too. :)
Hey Teddy, Thank you for your videos. Really appreciate the detailing. Can you make and exclusive video for Watches like Obuku,Swatch,Orient, Skagen and other similar watches. which are not usually talked about.
On behalf of my whole country: stop saying you're italian if the only italian thing you have is a cheap and plastic-like "genuine italian leather" strap.
Stop it,
get some help
In most cases Genuine Italian leather is referring to the style not where it was made just to add to it.
@@TeddyBaldassarre isn’t genuine leather actually a classification of the quality of the leather? And it’s one of the lowest categories, or something like that?
It's a little depressing how slick marketing trumps quality.
Nice looking watch > watch with a "good" movement
That's the case for most people, me included
Valuchi is funny bc if they’re going for an Italian-sounding name, “ch” in Italian makes a “hard c” sound lol
You totally should make a spoof!
[cue deep voice]
"Inspired by sweatshops in Shanghai...."
If I drank a shot for every time they say "cut out the middleman" in these ads, I would probably be dead by now
Or on liver number 2.
Or "disrupt".
Gotta say, that Valuchi “MillgOak” at least has aligned screws. That’s something Hublot can’t even do on a $10,000 watch.
"A diverse team of creative millenials" that tells you everything you need to know 🤣🤣🤣
Seemingly wearing a Rolex Datejust!
That should be enough to bankrupt this brand overnight. Vulgar.
Hilarious. I laughed when I heard that.
hahahahahaha
The sad thing is, I get wayyyy more compliments on my Vincero than my seiko, and it makes me feel dirty
Who cares about the opinions of other people. Its about knowing the quality of what you're wearing, most people wouldn't bother to research which watch brands are good quality and which are junk.
Time to buy a Jacob & Co
@@verbalkint4258 you must be new to horology
@@entertainme7523 ??
@@verbalkint4258 Seiko is one of the historic watchmakers, who designed some of the finest mechanicals for decades and ended up making the incredibly accurate quartz movements that forced nearly every Swiss watchmaker to move towards luxury. Someone who really knows their watches would compliment the Seiko way ahead of the fashion watch that I'm not even going to name.
i recognize the first "influencer" on the Vincero ad. He does informative, yet snarky and tongue in cheek science videos. Not sure what that has to do with watches, but whatever...
TB: "Luxury is something that can't be mass produced". Rolex: *laughs in waitlist*
I imagine that laugh to be similar to Santa's jolly "Ho-ho-ho!" Except with No.
Having to put my MVMT watch that my sister got me as a gift(when I said to everybody never get me a watch) next to my Orient Star is the hardest thing I do every day.
Hey that sounds like a great sister though. Just sign her email up for our newsletter haha
@@TeddyBaldassarre ye its the thought that counts :). Dont worry I always make sure to send her your insta posts showing her what a real watch is.
Just throw either one in the trash bin and be done with it. ( Mmvtmm? or sister)
Regift
i was given an invicta watch by a close friend. I actually wore it to the gym because i didnt want to bang up my other watches, so i actually wear it more often than some of my other watches i had
Interesting! No, I mean that. I got an MVMT watch some 2-3 years ago, and honestly I love it. It still looks new (aside from the holes in the wristband getting a bit worn out) and works just fine. I've only needed to change the battery once so far, as the original battery held up for just over 2 years. It tells the time accurately enough (it's off by about a minute maybe once or twice a year.) Despite it being a type of watch that can't handle water well (it's not supposed to, it has a low level rating) it hasn't gotten any water damage, but then again I also don't subject it to water. Regardless of the brand, I think it just makes sense to take care of your watch.
Also, I'm actually amazed that this watch has lasted me this long and is still going strong. Because all of my prior watches broke literally two weeks after I had bought them. I almost thought I had some kinda watch curse on me lol. So this bugger holding on for years feels like a miracle to me. And I've been wearing it pretty much every day.
I realize now that maybe I was just lucky, or maybe I can't tell quality from shit. Both are absolutely possible as I really dunno shit about watches, and I get that my experience is not universal. As for the design I like how it looks (obviously, or I wouldn't have bought it) and I don't think it looks cheap at all. It has a golden (likely steel or other metal gold-plated) frame with a black face and brown leather strap. Nothing too fancy but it looks classic and I do get a lot of compliments for it. Even my dad was impressed and he's never impressed by anything I wear.
Does that mean my MVMT watch is super high quality luxury stuff? No, I really can't be the judge of that. But I think it means that it can't be absolute bottom of the barrel crap quality, like all my previous watches must have been, at least not this particular item, and at the very least it means that it's good enough for me.
That said, yeah I agree that their marketing tactics are awful, but I always knew that. I just thought "this is what companies do nowadays to sell their shit" and didn't think much of it. I come from the mindset that all kinds of ads and marketing is probably just scam, so I never listen to that part of any company, or at the very least I take all advertisement with a huge grain of salt. So was I scammed? I wouldn't say so. I didn't expect a rolex. But in actuality, this watch has exceeded my expectations by far. Especially since I only paid some $100 for it.
But I still don't think companies should be shitty. So while I love my watch, I kinda doubt that I would buy from that same company again. So I think this video highlighted an important issue regardless of if you like these companies' watches or not.
One good thing about fashion watches is that they can get you into watches, at least that’s what happened to me
You're right, that happened to me as well so I can be more careful in purchasing my next watches in the future.
I've never owned a fashion watch, but lusting for a wooden watch got me into researching watches
Oh god those vincero watch ads. “I can tell the time on my phone”. Horrifying!
Love how the second hand goes BOING... BOING... BOING... While they are saying shit about it being luxurious
Ahahahah yes, not even a good quality quartz movement for duck sake
The same i thought! Horrible, wobbly second hand
I noticed that too. Eat your heart out Timex!
I see quartz I sleep
I love that these guys are so prolific that I got a Vincero ad while I watched this.
This is so funny, there's a Vincero ad displayed next you your video on the sidebar and I'm looking at it while simultaneously hearing Vincero get ripped a new one.
Can't wait to see your spoof! You are committed now. Haha. Chop chop! 🤣🤣
The Alpha M roast vid brings back memories with this vid Teddy 😆
I agree with you Teddy, but to be fair, the influencer don't care about watches. They just doing the hassle.
The only time a person has ever complimented me on a watch was When I had a Casio Mudmaster on .
My God, you too?! I have a Panerai, wear my Speedmaster almost daily, and the only time anyone has said anything about what watch I was wearing was when I had a G Shock XL on. Gutted.