Fear Of The 10,000 Mile Oil-Change Interval: TOP 3 Oil-Change Myths
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- Опубликовано: 27 май 2024
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The million mile Tundra owner changed the oil every 10k miles. Enough said!
The parishioners of the Church Of 5000 will come up with some mental-gymnastics as to why your statement is "the work of da Devil!!" 😨 😟 😱 🙀
It was also mentioned that he literally drove about 90% highway drive, I don’t know this should be factored as well.
That's perfectly fine with mostly highway driving.
It’s recommended because manufacturers want to sell you a new vehicle sooner than later. But to be fair not too many people keep their vehicles long enough for this to even matter for them.
if there was a 7500 mile interval in the 80’s for Honda, Toyota, and Mazda for conventional oil, wouldn’t it have backfired on them by now in a major way?
I bought my 2006 4Runner new.
Well i saw a rav4 hybrid with 460k with 10k oil changes recorded on carfax. Original everything.
Oil is cheap, engines and critical components are NOT. So no, no,no. First oil change around 1k and then every 5K or every 6 month, whichever comes first. Especially in Toyota engines. This is per many, including mechanics like AMD (the car care nut) and he explains why. Go and watch his video.
And No we are not afraid, just logic and experience from people that actually take engines apart.
you described fear... you are throwing away good bread at 50% expiration date because "bread is cheap" but gastroenteritis is expensive...
If it's any consolation I'm like you. I'll keep doing 5000 mile oil changes. For me it's the cost of the oil plus the 5 bucks my OEM filter costs for my 2022 GX 460. I do it myself so it's my time. Been doing same thing with my son's 2007 Nissan xterra that has over 200,000 miles and the engine purs like a kitten! AMD says to do it I'll do it and I'm not scared . STILL LOVE YOUR CHANNEL GX460 OFFROAD 😂🙂
Toyota mechanic here. Per Toyota any vehicle that has 0w-20 oil as an option (5w-20 or 5w-30 as standard) for the engine requires an oil change every 5k miles or 6 months, whichever comes first. Any engine that only uses 0w-20 requires an oil change every 10k miles or 12 months, whichever comes first, assuming you meet the driving requirements for 10k intervals. That being said.... Change your fking oil before that if you want the engine to last. You wouldn't believe the sludge that builds up in the engine if you don't.
Don’t ever change your oil at 10K intervals, AMD at the Car Care Nut made a great video on this. Change your oil sooner than later…I suggest doing at 5K if you drive on freeway often but if you do city driving then do it every 3K intervals.
The engineers and scientists are corrupt. They are just looking out for themselves.
GX 460, you are just being cheap. I feel bad for your Lexus. You think your opinion is more valuable than Car Care Nut, a Toyota factory ASE certified technician. What are your credentials?
I also work at a Toyota dealership. Your logic is flawed. The scientists and engineers work for the company that wants you to purchase more cars.Wake up sir.
I wonder how many folks actually fall into the ‘special operating conditions’ category that does call for 5k intervals without realizing it
I know I do. I fall into that category with every vehicle I've ever owned, because my right foot has the mass of a small Black Hole.
I change my oil at 5,000 mile intervals, and my filter at 2,500.
Oil is cheap. Engines are expensive.
With Toyota there aren’t too many scenarios that require 5k changes.
@@user-tb7rn1il3q At least in the truck.suv service guides ,special operating conditions is basically just if one has driven on dirt/dusty roads, towed or hauled anything for any amount of time it'll fall under that
most users are "severe service" or whatever they call it
@@user-hw6hb4rk9t Toyota really only recommends it for frequent taxi use, frequent towing, or very short trips in the winter.
The engineers and scientists only exist to get your car out of warranty and to meet emission standards. Plus the cost of ownership. They couldn’t care less how long your car last. Go read any real world results. It’s the same as lifetime fluids. If you don’t care whether or not your care last more than 100,000 miles then you dont really need to do much at all. If you’re planning on keeping your care to 300,000 miles oil changes and fluids matter. The oil can actually last pretty long but it’s the metals that stay in your oil and the oil filter that actually doing the most problems. You’re confusing the lifetime of oil verses what the oil keeps circulating in your engine. The fact that you’re trusting the car dealers is amazing. I suggests you go check the car care nut channel out. You’re really showing you don’t know much about maintenance and longevity.
Toyota has a reputation for screwing customers? Yes or no? Our 95 Camry is at 400k on regular oil at 10k intervals. As stated repeatedly in this video dealer technicians are NOT scientists, nor engineers. Popular YT dieties don't make your Toyota owner's manual invalid. RUclipsrs don't make Toyota and Mobil 1 work, actual REAL scientists and engineers do. But FEAR will have one changing oil at 5k... and where does the magic number 5k even come from... oh yeah feelings (fear) again... why not 2k or 1k? Why not 500 miles "just to be safe"...? Oh up next: 1k mile "oil break in period" 😆 😂
@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD actually they are screwing their customers with their new turbos 😂 blowing up left and right. I’ll see if I can find the video of an actual Toyota engineer in the factory in Japan telling everyone if you want your car to last to change your oil every 3,000 miles. So you just refuse to look at oil analysts test I guess. I have oil test on all of my cars done every 5k from black stone labs. You keep calling out all other RUclipsrs. You’re a RUclipsr spewing uneducated content while talking like an idiot for some reason. Just cause some cars make it on little maintenance isn’t proof of anything. More didn’t make it. The actual oil today can easily go 20k miles that’s not the problem. Like I said before it’s the metal wear that keeps circulating in your engine. By 5,000 miles your oil filter is done catching all the metals. For some reason you keep going back to a child’s argument of fear and feelings which has nothing to do with the argument. I dont really care how you treat your car. You’re just a RUclipsr doing the same thing you’re calling out other RUclipsrs out for. How about you get an actual engineer on your channel to have a discussion. Plus nice click bait video to get views and comments.
@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD I seen where Toyota is recalling over 100,000 new tundras and Lexus LX over debris in engine 😂 so better change that oil more often to get the debris out 😂so yeah they are screwing customers on the new trucks. This plus the waste gate issue has been a disaster and Toyota screwing over customers with an inferior product.
In a nutshell, oil is like wine, once you open the bottle, starts to go bad... whether is cheap or expensive wine.
I respectfully disagree. Automotive Press (engineer) and Car Care Nut w a 2023 GX himself thoroughly explained why 10k oil changes is not recommended.
Obviously Love your Channel.
How many times must it be explained that "Car Car Nut" is not an engineer. He's a technician. At a Stealershship no less. Do dealer technicians make engines and test oil? Or do engineers and scientists do that? 10k changes ARE 100% recommended by his employer. Period.
@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD I believe he is talking about Dave from Automotive Press who is an engineer and has many connections in the Japan automotive industry. Here is a link to his video where he interviews a fellow engineer about oil change intervals. BTW I like your content keep it coming!
ruclips.net/video/FlmTPH_5UmQ/видео.htmlsi=U3TGnEtVRQRidL6a
@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD AMD used to work at a dealership, but he's an independent now. In fact he recently moved into a brand-new shop.
Great content, true that modern oil will remain stable for extended miles. According to my auto tech instructor its not the oil that degrade the problem is the blow by gases from the pistons that dilute the oil over time that will slowly destroy your engine. Changing the oil is cheap insurance compared to changing the engine. This is the reason I change my oil earlier than the manufacture recommended intervals.
oil does degrade over time by blowby gasses... that _time_ is 10,000 miles or one year... saftey margin and "cheap insurance" already added in free of charge by the engineers who developed, and tested said oil and engine 😉
I would never run any engine oil for 10knmiles! Maybe I'm dumb BUT my unscientific observations is that the oil quality & thickness, engine idle & roughness increases dramatically the longer I run my oil....... Just saying.
check out Blackstone labs results post 10k miles
Blackstone results might be interesting but let me ask you this, if you drain your oil after say 6k miles & look at it & feel it, would you feel confident to pour it back in & run it for another 4k miles?
@@sheldonc7412Feelings over science…
@@thadlm2698 "a man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still"
Just throw away the USA owner manual and warranty guide and insist the dealer to do the schedule maintenance of the manual in Saudi Arabia. First oil change at 3000 mile mark and every 6200 mile afterwards. Based on RX350 2020 manual in Saudi Arabia.
Better look at the special driving conditions listed in the manual recommending 5,000 mile or 6 month oil changes.
Yep pretty much everyone exists in the special conditions.
So, my brother, let me ask you a question. Exactly what are your qualifications pertaining to this very controversial topic? Are you an automotive engineer? What degrees do you hold? Why should anyone believe you and listen to you? Why is it so important to you to discredit other peoples' viewpoints and opinions?
19:04 Did I say "listen to me"? Or did I say "listen to ACTUAL ENGINEERS"? .... which one... take your time...
@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROADthe problem with arguments that rely on people’s credentials is that I’m sure there exists a certified oil expert who recommends 5k intervals, and I’m sure there exists one who recommends 10k intervals. So which expert should you listen to?
Oh god. My Lexus dealership changes my oil on my 2008 Lexus GX470 with 204k miles on it and yes I do every 5K. 🤡. I hope I’m not a clown but I just want my engine to last forever!! 🙌🏼. Don’t judge me. 🤣🤣.
God you know I love this channel brother!! Keep it going!!
Cold starts are where most of your bearing and piston ring wear occurs, so pre-filling the filter is a good idea.
the whole point of synthetic oil was to get that "0" winter rating 😃
I'm not sure we can draw the conclusion that the manual/manufacturer recommended interval is the end all be all. It is a race to the bottom in ownership costs for manufacturers to win comparison tests in Consumer Reports etc. and an easy way to reduce ownership costs over long term is extended maintenance intervals. More often than not powertrain engineers are not recommending 10k intervals but they make their way to the manual, a result of bean counters and being adequate for calculated lifespans of vehicles. A similar example is the "lifetime" transmission fluid in the GX 460 prior to 2023. I'm sure some testing was done which likely found the fluid adequate for the lifetime of the car (200k per manuf maybe?) but clearly it is causing issues in early year GX's >150k miles where the fluid was never addressed because it wasn't listed as a maintenance item and now grenading transmissions. Lexus has now updated the manual to list trans fluid as a maintenance item but that doesn't help the owners of out of warranty 460s who heeded the initial [incorrect] guidance from the supposed expert engineers. And so on and so on... the motivation is there for the manufacturers to reduce maintenance item but until they are willing to offer 400k powertrain warranties I will take their recommendations with a grain of salt.
Mobil1 markets oil that can last X # of miles under certain conditions but doesn't guarantee it in engines under unique load/operating conditions so I also don't know I would trust the marketing material on the oil cartons.
I mean technically the Mobil 1 bottle says "GUARANTEED" on it....
Great information exchange. I do wonder how often you change your air filter there in the desert.
The recommended mileage for a Toyota oil change can vary depending on the specific model and year of your Toyota vehicle, as well as the type of oil used. However, as a general guideline, most Toyota models require an oil change near you every 5,000 to 7,500 miles under normal driving conditions.
For newer Toyota models, the recommended interval for an oil change may be longer, with some models indicating that an oil change is necessary only once every 10,000 miles or more. However, it’s important to check your Toyota owner’s manual for the manufacturer’s recommended oil change interval for your specific vehicle. The team at our Toyota service center will be happy to review your car to determine the ideal intervals for oil changes
Awesome vid as usual!!
Thanks again!
Informative. Thanks.
Thanks for watching!
I change mine every 7-10k miles. 230k miles on my 2014 4Runner and still chugging along.
our 1995 camry is still chugging along... 12k intervals non-synthetic oil 400k
Great vid as always. I’ve long changed all my vehicles oil @ 8k miles. The quality of oil is far more important than this stupid 3, 5, 10k+ discussion. My 01 Tundra cranks and runs like hell still.
Agreed!
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BMWs go out to 15k! What's weird though is it's the same OCI for turbo and naturally aspirated vehicle. Turbos are MUCH harder on oil, so when I had a 335i I changed it at 7500 miles.
One more thing....modern engines seem to have higher oil capacity than engines of the past, per displacement. Having more oil means you shouldn't have to change it as often.
exactly... and BMW has a race history with Mobil who created that 15k standard... and now they have 20k mobil one... all passes blackstone tests after use
@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD And yet, they’re strangely unreliable.
@@ovid4which is why Lexus calls for 10k miles not 15k miles... but hey what do _actual_ Lexus engineers know?
I had a 2003 Mazda 3 2.5L Hatchback. I was driving between 45K - 60K per year. I was doing 10K - 15K oil changes. At 300,000 miles I was only using about 1/2 qt between oil changes. I have no doubt it would've gone 500,000 miles with no issues if it hadn't been in an accident that totaled it. I used full synthetic oil.
I had a Chevy 1.4l Turbo 2013 supposedly very “unreliable”, bought it from a rental company with 13k miles and was on a front end collision. Made the oil changes at the computer intervals +\- 7.5k miles it lasted me 10 years 170k miles (also serviced the transmission every 60k). Sold it in perfect working condition.
Good video! If the Lexus GX460 manual says 10K miles, then it's 10K miles! I did a google search and I show that the GX460 takes 8.2L of engine oil. My Honda has a 5K oil change interval, but it's 5.7L of engine oil.
Thanks... I think I sold that old 88 Honda CRX Honda with 250k on it... used Walmart SuperCrap non-synth Oil every 8k miles... ran perfect... ✌️
I have a 24 Tacoma 4 cylinder turbo how often should I change oil 10k or less ???
what does your owner's manual say? what does the bottle of 0w20 oil say?
I bought a new 2012 Civic and did first oil change at 400 miles. Avoided constant speed interstate roads. Did next oil change at 1000 miles then just drove normally and did 5k oil and filter changes. At 200k now an not a single engine leak or failure.
I wonder why it varies so much between engines. One toyota will say change at 5k, another at 10k. Both regular everyday N/A motors. Mazda will say 7.5K. My 2012 Scion had a 5k OCI. 2012 3.5l have a 10K OCI. So the scientists seem to be confused on why one needs 5k and one needs 10K
So how often should you change your filter?
I assume they get dirty at the same rate they did 50 years ago.
10,000 miles like the owners manual says. No need to assume. The engineers and scientists actually tested them (no really they did). Size, number of pleats, and makeup of the filtering media has changed in the past 50 years... along with then oils...
@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD -
How does any of that slow down the rate at which the filter gets dirty?
@@EchoTangoSuitcase if the filter is larger it holds more dirt
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The GX460 filter is fairly small.
I see your point. However, most people don't have what engineers and scientist have. Which is, MONEY. Lots of money. I can't afford to be wrong.
@Broseph_ Technically Mobil 1 will guarantee oil to 20k miles or 1 year.. whichever comes 1st... and your samples to a laboratory
I change every 6 months regardless (in a northern climate). -40c winters 🥶
You so right about 10k oil changes. But what if I just want to change for fun but that won’t hurt my engine 🥺I’m a proud owner of 1982 Datsun 210 and I do my oil change every 3000 miles so sorry for doing too soon 😂
do it every 1,500 miles "just to be safe".
@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD NOOOO lol
Toyota offers a 250,000km/15years warranty in germany. All you have to do is servicing the car every 15,000km or 12 months. Isn't this enough evidence?
Americans don't comprehend that there is a world outside of America... 😆
Isn’t it that the longer intervals are for “severe” service, where severe service corresponds to how most people drive? The light on our 200 comes on about every 5K. Our Honda, which gets heavy highway miles, asks for service about every 8k.
On Toyota's the interval 10k. Same for most Lexus. I'm not sure what the Honda interval is. The book interval is "normal" but those who live in fear will convince themselves that they drive under "severe" conditions on the way to the cubicle each day to justify 5,000 emo-oil change intervals.
I check the oil once a week after 3k and only change it once it doesn’t look golden. But I also get a discounted price 🤷🏻♂️
All the 10k oil changes I do at work the oil comes out black but the cars are running just fine
color of oil doesn't matter... a diesel engine's oil will INSTANTLY go black after an oil change...
@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD in this context color is irrelevant yes. But color/smell of oil can tell you a lot about what’s going on inside the motor as far as contaminants, coolant or fuel in the oil.
Likely that most don’t drive their GX’s as hard as you get to drive yours 😁 so longer intervals is probably perfect for them.
See automotive press interview with Nissan and Toyota engineers who state the opposite. So who should we believe ?
14:10 David is NOT an Automotive Engineer... he IMPLIES that he is. His background is in non-Automotive mechanical engineering. *NO ACTUAL TOYOTA engineer has ever said to change oil at 5k miles* The "Nissan engineer" was NOT an engineer. He was a "engine tuner"... Please be aware of the "sources" you listen to on YT... The masses excell at falling for implications versus actual credibility.
Will use 5W-30 oil instead of 5W-20
I been doing mine every 5k but I always think the manufacturer/stealerships are tryna to sabotage me 😆
So you're going to never change your transmission fluid because Toyota says it's for the life of the vehicle?
That's right! A NOPE I'm not afraid. My wife's friends Camry has like 350k on it and they never touched the transmission fluid. I will NOT live in fear 😆.
ruclips.net/video/FJvpjT8E4_o/видео.html
I’ve seen more issues caused by changing it. Let sleeping dogs lie.
@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD there is no such thing as a life time fluid
Unsolved Mysteries 🤟🏿🤙🏿
I wonder if there's an oil change equivalent for electric vehicles?
thanks from Quebec Canada
When the light comes on, I wait til 0% or more. So its about 10k, and change the filter only every other time. Lol
I like the little oil maintenence odometer it counts down from 9999 miles 😃
Oh here we go again. Railing against my religion! FYI I'm on track to put 7,000 miles on my current oil change due to my 'free' oil change at 10,000 mi. Which means I changed my first oil at 3,000 per my religious beliefs. I'm willing to go 7k but not 10k due to my zealotry. Keep up the posts! Cheers!
Quick how do I convert to your religion? Lol just kidding
@@johnrolf4952 Just have to be 60 yrs old and resistant to change!
Edit: oil quality decreases the longer I run & test my engine oil.
Science is one thing but real world application is totally different. I have been in the automotive repair industry for 25 years and I can assure you changing your oil and filter at 10k will be detrimental to the long term health of your engine especially modern engines. I have seen enough engines in my career fail do to lack of maintenance. The cost of doing an oil and filter change every 4 months or 5k miles is a lot cheaper than having major engine work done at 50k or 60k miles.
There's absolutely positively ZERO scientific evidence that shows synthetic oil failing at 10k. Anything else is fear. The ACTUAL ENGINEERS of both the oils and the engines dyno these things for thousands of miles... constantly. We need EVIDENCE (not even proof... just evidence) of 10k oil failing. It does not. But fear will "create" that "failure"...
@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROADonce again your failing to realize its not just the age of the oil or its ability to protect. It’s about metals circulation in your engine for extended periods of time.
Supertech synthetic every 4 to 5k miles you'll be just fine and save big $$$ !
I’m on the gx550 forum and there’s a bunch of idiots attacking me because their opinions are being tested over real data and it’s just laughable. This is one of the reasons why forums are dying. Peoples opinions are being presented as facts and questioning their reasons makes them feel invalidated . Fucking sad
Sorry you had to deal with sheep. But that's what the majority are. Data and science is irrelevant to them. Popularity/deity is more important and above all they are ruled by fear. Forums are extinct... YT is where it's at 😃 ✌️
@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD well said. I’m in Bakersfield and am waiting for my overtrail maybe one day I can come out to you and we can work out an off roading day. Would be cool to see how the new gx fairs out in the desert. Prove the naysayers wrong lol.
My background is road racing and time attack so off roading will be a new venture for me. I do some light enduro and single track on my bike but nothing 4x4 yet. I did have an 04 discovery back in the day but nothing along the lines of a proper off road trip was ever done. Maybe what I’m trying to say is I’m looking for a mentor so I don’t highside my new rig lol 😂
Do engineers and scientists build engines and race them up to and past tolerances? Are they paid to develop products to earn profits for more or less maintenance? Hmmm? Your faith in manufacturers is naive my friend. Oil degrades, change it when you want.
My bro, engineers literally slam these things on dynos for millions of miles -- for years - before they ever see a showroom floor. With your stated logic both the dealer and the oil makers would LOVE to have you come in for an oil change 50% sooner. Literally look up Toyotas RD... top floor is a racetrack, middle floor is engineers, bottom floor is mechanics... build, break, repair is their philosophy and is the philosophy of all engineering. Again not a topic in public school... profit from less maintenance? Like what?.. my 95 Camry that's still rolling around with 400k on it... or the old Mazda with 300k? Does Toyota have a track record for unreliability. Is that why they are number one worldwide 🌐... as in literally... because of screwing the customer?
@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD Fair enough, however the road and track are the true crucible of auto testing, not the lab. The automobile industry as a whole is designed around planned obsolescence not endurance and longevity. I am saying the materials and maintenance is economical with rationed science. Reduced oil change intervals is a hack for increasing the longevity of motors and it’s field tested fact.
@@ovid4maybe the American auto industry is…..
The marketing team asks the engineers “Will this engine make it to 60,000 miles with oil changes at 10k?
It’s a marketing gimmick. Car companies started increasing this interval and it became an arms race. If Toyota has a 5000 oil change interval and Honda has a 10k interval the masses will think the Honda is a better engine and cheaper to maintain.
I like your videos but I will trust mechanics like the Car Care nut. He did a good video on this complete with engine tear down.
@@blackwatch7151 I have been changing my oil every 10k miles on my 4Runner out to 210k miles now using synthetic. Who do you believe? A RUclipsr with dubious credentials or real world data?
oh no science..... 😎
Yes Science! I love his brand of ( information education) "infotainment " . Science rules!
Translation: Oil is oil. It doesn’t matter the brand of oil. Save you money, select the correct grade/viscosity, and buy the cheapest out there. Engineers!
I appreciate the video, but can’t see the issue with replacing oil
Pretty sure project farm did a good video on this
it never gets old watching you blow myths and fears away with style and class. Thanks for being the most fun youtube I watch for anything car and Toyota/Lexus related. Have a great day friend!
Thank you for the kind words 🥲 ... YT is entering the "diety zone" bordering tiktok territory... there's no credential checking and there's lots of implying... and that's all good.... I get it... there's a market... just not on this channel 😆
Yes, we're the "Wild Ones" here with "Professor GX" ! Join us!
Even when wrong? Better look up the special driving conditions listed in the owners manual Warranty and Services guide.
@misadventuresoferic ya we've had "special driving conditions" in manuals for decades... only the fearful will convince themselves that their _normal_ driving conditions are "special conditions"... most people drive under normal conditions... 10k 😃
Finally the 10,000 milestone.. see what I did there 😊lol
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If the manual says 10000 miles, I’m getting it changed at 10000 miles. The GX550 manual says 10000 miles.
🤘 ❤️ preach!
I do 2000
I do my best to change oil every +/- 5K miles. Modern engines are so reliable, “marketing engineers “ from car manufacturer are recommending longer maintenance to increase engine failure rate so they can sell new cars. I always buy Mobil 1 oil filter. Never trust inferior OEM oil filter. I don’t trust the “marketing science”. I trust my “gut” and unbiased source from RUclips. :)
gut = FEELINGS again... the bane of science
So you're saying we should "trust" the science? Has "science" always been proven to be trustworthy?
Just asking.
we're not talking about _that_ "science" 😷... 😆... we're talking about real observable, verifiable science... not CGI germ cartoons on TV
So dude on this video talks about oil life:
ruclips.net/video/l-zDt9FGJi8/видео.html
First, this was a paid trip to Mobil 1. So consider the inherent bias. Two, it's still a valid video. M1 takes stock vehicles and runs the piss out of them for oil change intervals well beyond the manufacturer limits. They use stock vehicles, drive them for something like 100,000 miles, measuring everything, do a whole tear down and grading. And yes, the oils last as long as they claim. For everyone 10,000 people who say, "Well my engine gets oil changes every 3000 and it's got 200,000 on it now" there's another slew who did exactly that and their engine didn't last. None of these were oil-related. They were unrelated events. The oil was not the fail point. Some other component in the engine, or just shit luck, was the reason for failure.
There's science, and then there's cletus and cooter anecdotes. I have no time for cletus and cooter anecdotes. They're meaningless. Everyone loves to throw out, "But car makers want you to buy a car every 100,000 miles so why would they make it last?" Even Chevy shitboxes are built for a 150,000 mile life. That's the stated service life of the components in their engines. If the oil makers are so nefarious and in cahoots with car makers to get you to buy new cars every 7 years, why do they make a 20,000 mile oil? Shouldn't they make a 3000 mile oil instead? The 20,000 life mile oil is maybe $2 more per 5 quarts than the less fancy stuff. Why would oil makers design an oil that attacks their bottom line when they could easily make an oil that lasted far less?
And how much margin is there in a new vehicle vs how much margin is there in a vehicle that stays on the road for 300,000 miles but still needs parts, service, gets accessories, carries the brand reputation on it? Let's use a little common sense here.
@JulietHotelFoxtrot the human-livestock cannot stand the concepts of science, observation, and reality. Fear and make-believe define their comfort zone. The inability to comprehend the expiration metric of oil (oxidation) is their highlight feature. To them sludge happens spontaneously at 5.5k. When asked why 5K is OK, their answer is: feelings
It's more than just the oxidation of the oil. There's also the additive package in the oil that gets depleted over time and the fuel and other contamination that gets into the oil from the blow by that leaks past the piston ring.
Frankly, I believe the mile based oil change interval should be thrown out completely and go to an hour based interval just like heavy equipment and aircraft do.
yep that's exactly what those scientists test and study... that's how they established the 10k metric
Yes you are draining and wasting synthetic 0W-20 engine oil at a 3K-5K change, oil that is still functioning well within engineered specification! The oil itself is not the argument for following a severe driving condition oil change schedule. The issue is with oil contamination. Engine wear particles between 2-20 microns in size pass through the oil filter. Short driving trips of less than 5 miles especially in cold weather allows for the accumulation of water and fuel, think internal oxidation! General Motors SAE Paper # 881825 (1988 SAE International) What is so difficult to understand about this??
how can we get people to "donate" their "no good" 3,000 mile 0w20 synthetic oil for free? ... hmm 🤔
It's in the manufacturer's best interest to tell you to change your oil every 100,000 miles. More vehicle sales for them.
Owned 7 or 8 vehicles in my life. Change my oil every 3 or 4,000 miles. NEVER ever had any type of engine or transmission problem, even with a CVT.
I hear this debate on RUclips often. My question is, "What is it to ANYBODY, if ANOTHER person wants to change their oil every week?"
You change your oil every 20,000 miles. I'll change mine every 3,000 miles. I have money to burn.
Can I please have your 3k "expired" synthetic engine oil? 🙏 😃... where can I pick it up?
Entire job of modern auto industry and engineers working in there is to ensure you spend as less as possible and the engine still works after the warranty is expired. I believe more in oil change interval in hours, not miles. So if you drive on highway with 70 mph your 10k miles are 140 h of engine runtime. Now if you are driving in city traffic with average speed 20 mph thats 500 h !!! Feel the difference.
My Automotive Gods forced me out of my sleep (literally) to change my oil at 3K miles on my Toyota. Not at 5K - that's child's play! Imagine that? I was violently rocked out of my sleep on a cold Saturday morning, to toy with my start button, on and off, on and off, again and again, in a queue, until I was finally booked in for the service. To change the oil. At 3K miles at that! What a waste! What Gods, you ask? RUclips is replete with them. So replete that I see their angels and prophets everywhere I look. I don't mean to repeat a cliché, but so small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to redemption from these Automotive Gods that only a few find it.
2015 Prius. 200k miles. Send my oil to Blackstone at 15k intervals. The numbers between 5k intervals to 10k, have zero differences. 15k is my normal interval and lab results said I can go into 20k if I wanted to. Just saying. SuperTech 0w-20 Synthetic HM.
THANK YOU for sharing your real world _scientific_ data with us! Again that thing called "science" eludes the mass mind. You are smarter than them. 😃 The sheer number of comments citing unqualified RUclips deities, or citing "extreme use" gibberish all while lacking any actual scientifically validated results/analysis like Blackstone laboratory results... I'll say it again: feelings don't determine oil change intervals. Science does. Scientists/Engineers > bolt turning, cabin-air filter changing stealership mechanics. As I'm sure you know Mobil 1 makes 20k oil and filters too ✌️
Did the factory recommended service at the dealership on a Mercedes Benz. They used Mobil 1. At approx 150k the check engine light came on for a clogged secondary air system. The fix was 2 new heads at a cost of over 7 grand. When asked what happened, I was told that it was a result of infrequent oil changes.
The money you spend on oil samples could just as well be spent on oil changes. It's about the same price.
@@jmc6940if you do that, you won’t know when your engine develops a problem like fuel seeping past the cylinder rings. If your engine develops any problem whatsoever then the 10k interval will work against you and cause sludge. The 5k interval is a lot more forgiving to undetected problems that compromise the oil early.
@@jmc6940whoops, now I understand what you mean and you are correct. Rather than test the oil, just change it early using the money you would have spent on the test. This is a good approach.
My father-in-law's mechanic wants him to bring the car in every 3 months or 3k miles, I told him to double those numbers you're wasting money and oil.
I'm tyra figure out how I can collect "used" 5k oil that is "no good" so I can have free engine oil for life lol 😆...
seriously working on this idea
*LIFETIME TRANSMISSION OIL... yep you're scared of that too:*
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If Dr. Edward Bernays were still alive he'd say that the modern emasculated, skilless male views oil changes as one of the few "manly skils" still remaining in his repertoire -- and as a result consciously places a inflated level of over-importance on the task... hence 5k intervals to "take control"...
Now before the peanut-gallery starts citing RUclips deities:
*NO that guy isn't an AUTOMOTIVE ENGINEER (you knew that right?)*
*NO the guy from Nissan was NOT and engineer. (He was an "engine tuner/modder)*
*NO that "oil expert guy" isn't an ACTUAL oil/chemical or automotive lubricant engineer/scientist.*
*NO a dealer technician is NOT an engineer OR an oil scientist*
_IMPLICATIONS_ are how dupes get duped 😉
You DO realize that Edward Bernays was the ORIGINAL propagandist, right? He was the guy that convinced women that it was "liberating to light up", that smoking was in their benefit. At a time when womens' groups were still pushing to tell men (and women) to discontinue their vices like drinking, smoking, and gambling (primarily). If I had to choose the most evil individual (by actions) throughout history it is NOT the slavers, not the Barbary pirates, not Woodrow Wilson, not Genghas Khan, not Queen Mary I (1553-1558), not Joseph Stalin or even Hitler. THE most evil is Edward Bernays. Hell, without Bernays, HItler likely would not have been near as successful.
Lifetime ATF is not a thing. Acids formulate in the oil, heat damages the oil, grit from the clutch disks gum up solenoids preventing proper shifting... ALL these things kill slushboxes far faster than is necessary.
Oh, and pretty classless posting from another of your channels as a fanboi.
If you hate America and americans, move to China.