l researched a bit in last few days for roof rack options and just ordered the same sherpa rack for my 2020 4runner last night. Seeing your video today gives me assurance that l made a good choice . Can’t wait to have it mounted on my 4runner😊
Well there is definitely bias, but if I provide a logical explanantion based on its materials and engineering as to why it might not be the best but its better than other designs...I'm not sure how thats not helpful for deciding on a purchase. I'd be a little more cautious of the people that just list off something feels beefy and looks clean and leaves it at that... I also approached Sherpa, they didn't just drop an email in my inbox with free stuff. They also didn't fully sponsor it so I spent my own money as opposed to probably being able to get something completely for free from a different brand. I do my research and pitch companies and sometimes pay more for quality or a design I believe is the best which is unlike many that wait for the most lucrative opportunity regardless of product.
1. The bolts into the roof require alight touch with the torque - just enough to slightly flatten the bonded washer. I remember the torque spec was something like 20 inch-pounds, which is less than 2 foot-pounds. Don't crank them down too far, or you'll damage the bonded washers, over-compress the rubber pad, and pull the rack too close to the roof. 2. At the front, you can get some compression against the roof by adding slack to the center and rear bolts, enough to pull the middle 1/4 of an inch away from the roof, and then get a towel under the front edge to pull it away from the roof. Then you adjust the front pads, remove the towel, and re-tighten the center and rear bolts. When you draw the center to the roof, you get some pressure on the front, and this creates the friction required to keep the front from bouncing or shifting on the trail.
The gaps in the rubber feet to the built in rubber weather stripping, Did you not add any silicone sealant? While I'm not worried about leaking I was concerned about pooling water and it potentially causing rust areas.
Your welcome, I went back and forth to Sherpa Colorado and 4runnerlifestyle witch is where I purchased my rack , both was un willing to help me 😢, funny , 4runnerlifestyle blames Sherpa for the explanation of the products and the lack of info to let the consumer know that other (PEAK) accessories won't attach to the Crestone Sport rack , kinda disappointed...
Love my Sherpa Crestone. Installed it on my '21 4R. Id love to share a pod light mod I did with 4 of the hand holds. I used RacksBrax mounts for my awning. Sherpa Mattracks mounts and a ROAM cargo box.
Unless you buy the Sport crestone version, and are lead to believe in thier description that is like the Peak series, which it will not ! Mount to the other Peak series accessories, like the sherpa outside window panels , I got screwed 😅
Do you reckon Sherpa is a stronger rack that Prinsu if you have any knowledge of them? I have the Prinsu equivalent to this on my 4Runner with a Roofnest Falcon tent on it and had both side rails near the front mounting point crack in half on a road rip once while in Utah and I had to drive home to Minnesota like that which was sketchy. They warrantied out the side rails and I changed the mounting points of the tent to distribute the weight better but that still makes me uneasy with a 160lb tent up there knowing I’ve already broke it with fairly normal use. I’ve been contemplating switching the Prinsu out to something stronger for piece of mind but can never find a solid strength comparison between brands.
I have heard this story too many times. This is exactly why most switch to prinsu. I could have told these stories but I don't want to knock prinsu. They are good racks, they are just not the strongest. You just have to spec out everything appropriately. I think if someone is just mounting an awning , storage boxes, and traction boards, a prinsu will work well. For the heavy roofnest and CVT tents, I know so many people that have had to switch to Sherpa racks because of structural issues. If you spec out the rack right, some people don't need the extra structure and they save money by getting the prinsu rack. I think that people don't think your situation happens so they go with the cheaper option and thats not really the case, better to overbuild so you don't have a problem in the woods.
@@OverlandEngineer Yeah the rattle of a snapped rack on every bump from Salt Lake to St. Paul made me question my decision of Prinsu even though I was pretty impressed with the build quality. I had my tent on a pair of tent mounting feet when it broke which is what Prinsu recommended, but with the warrantied one currently I have my tent on double the mounting points to hopefully spread the weight more. One other gripe is just driving around town I always hear a creaking noise from the rack flexing and have been hunting down the source and trying to fix it forever with no luck. It wasn’t on my immediate radar but sounds like a rack switch is my next project before winter. At least a freshly warrantied Prinsu on twin cities marketplace should go quick to offset the cost😂
What light rack do you have ? I wanna do the same rack you have but with Amber KC lights similar to yours. Did you have to modify the roof rack to make those fit ? Thanks for the helpful info I love your page bro
For sure! It’s a Sherpa Equipment Co Crestone rack. It’s slightly taller than most racks that look similar so it actually fits more lightbars well. “OVLDENG” will save 5% on anything on their site as well. Sherpa sells special brackets for the diode dynamics SS5 lightbar so it’s easy but not sure on KC. I bet some other company makes brackets and they would be compatible. All these rack companies all use standard 2”x1”x47” extrusions typically.
Wow, that’s really a dramatic change. I actually liked your previous DIY roof rack, also thought that’s how you build your channel had right way. Now you keep switching by getting the sponsorship, I’m not sure what your real judgment for the viewer. Don’t get me wrong, it’s nice to get sponsors and free stuff, but I will take your view with a grain of salt.
I want to address this because I think many people might have this reaction but I have a rebuttal to it. I think taking my opinion now with a grain of salt is pretty dramatic. I mentioned in my DIY video that if I was not going to build my own, I would use a Sherpa rack. That was before I had even talked to the company. From doing my research, I thought they were the best. This is how I have chosen almost all of my sponsors. I have chosen a discount with a good company over free from other companies to keep this model. This rack still cost me quite a bit of money. They did not send it to me for free. I needed to buy this primarily to keep working on finishing my DIY tent. I disassembled the bulk of my tent to build the DIY rack I was running and that was going to severely delay working on my tent more. Plus anytime my DIY rack was off my roof, I wouldn't have some of my stuff on the truck to use or photograph which was just kind of a bummer. All this to say that I don't think you need to be worried about me dramatically changing my mind all the time and that I borderline eluded to potentially running this rack in the future in my DIY video, though I was not intending to buy it at that time. Anyway This seemed like a good way to keep working on my DIY roof top tent project and still have all the same functionality for making content weekly with products I believe in. The DIY rack is still an awesome option.
Understood, that made sense. I really like your diy projects, think it gives us the inspiration than those product oriented from sponsorship. But totally understandable, you do what you got to do. Cheers!
Research has shown that when some purchases something with their own money especially large purchases they are more inclined to say positive things about it because it’s hard to admit we made a bad choice.
If you think that there are other creators that buy all their stuff full price you would be horribly mistaken. That’s exactly how everything is on Instagram as well. It’s not feasible for most of the overlanding creators of similar size to be able to afford everything we do to make content frequently. To buy everything ourselves full price we would be posting one video a month and that wouldn’t be enjoyable for all of you. What I think is important is that I reach out to companies that I am interested in working with rather than waiting for them to come to me with the best deal. I specifically have done a lot of research on racks and I bought my UpTop rack full price. I chose to reach out to Sherpa and they didn’t give me a rack for free. I’m sure I could’ve reached out to a couple of other companies and figured out a way to get a rack for free but I didn’t. That’s how I try to approach it to avoid what you are saying because I know that can be frustrating as a viewer to see a blatant bias where they pay for my review.
@@OverlandEngineer oh I meant no disrespect. I’m just jealous lol I really like Sherpa and their products as well as enjoy your videos and such. I see what you’re saying though. It’s part of the business
@Medoc yeah, I didn’t take it as disrespect. It’s just something I really want to address because I get annoyed by that stuff too. Especially on Instagram. People should be transparent about that and talk about why something is good objectively not just what is good so even if I have that bias people watching can still make an informed decision ya know?
Well just depends on the tent. They stand tall so a tent wider than like 47” will be tough…you could try off entering it but that’s not super recommended
@OverlandEngineer I've got ikamper 3.0 mini I'm going to mount soon , and I'm looking into a 270 , after some measurements, I think I could use 3 of them (overkill) but one just past the camper flip up and one in the field end ! That 3.0 mini is only 57" long ....
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could you let me know the specs of the lift, suspension and wheels you have on your 4runner. i want my 2014 trail to look like this, i recently got it and am ready to get this thing off road
I’d rather pay more for quality and durability, then never need to worry about it! Sherpa is the way to go. Great summary!
l researched a bit in last few days for roof rack options and just ordered the same sherpa rack for my 2020 4runner last night. Seeing your video today gives me assurance that l made a good choice . Can’t wait to have it mounted on my 4runner😊
Thats crazy timing, awesome!
When they’re paid promotions, how can we trust your view?
Well there is definitely bias, but if I provide a logical explanantion based on its materials and engineering as to why it might not be the best but its better than other designs...I'm not sure how thats not helpful for deciding on a purchase.
I'd be a little more cautious of the people that just list off something feels beefy and looks clean and leaves it at that...
I also approached Sherpa, they didn't just drop an email in my inbox with free stuff. They also didn't fully sponsor it so I spent my own money as opposed to probably being able to get something completely for free from a different brand. I do my research and pitch companies and sometimes pay more for quality or a design I believe is the best which is unlike many that wait for the most lucrative opportunity regardless of product.
I’d trust someone who states openly they’ve received compensation over someone who doesn’t.
I feel sherpa is the best on the market i use my awning mounts to mount a hi lift on the side of my rack
1. The bolts into the roof require alight touch with the torque - just enough to slightly flatten the bonded washer. I remember the torque spec was something like 20 inch-pounds, which is less than 2 foot-pounds. Don't crank them down too far, or you'll damage the bonded washers, over-compress the rubber pad, and pull the rack too close to the roof.
2. At the front, you can get some compression against the roof by adding slack to the center and rear bolts, enough to pull the middle 1/4 of an inch away from the roof, and then get a towel under the front edge to pull it away from the roof. Then you adjust the front pads, remove the towel, and re-tighten the center and rear bolts. When you draw the center to the roof, you get some pressure on the front, and this creates the friction required to keep the front from bouncing or shifting on the trail.
Love my Princeton Sherpa Rack i have on my 4th gen 4runner and love the 3 Matterhorn Sherpa Racks i have on my 3rd gens
The gaps in the rubber feet to the built in rubber weather stripping, Did you not add any silicone sealant? While I'm not worried about leaking I was concerned about pooling water and it potentially causing rust areas.
Thank you for this. I have the crosswing as well and just ordered the Sherpa. You helped me solve my mounting issue!
Awesome! “OVLDENG” will save you money at Sherpa!
Your welcome, I went back and forth to Sherpa Colorado and 4runnerlifestyle witch is where I purchased my rack , both was un willing to help me 😢, funny , 4runnerlifestyle blames Sherpa for the explanation of the products and the lack of info to let the consumer know that other (PEAK) accessories won't attach to the Crestone Sport rack , kinda disappointed...
I have the side window mounts on my rigs
Unless you have a Gobi Stealth, I think adding expanded metal to the floor of the rack adds a ton of versatility and strength.
I'd love your thoughts on the Westcott Designs roof rack.
This might be a stupid question and it may be answered on their website, but does it clear the factory sunroof? Looks like a great product.
Yep! You can always move the bars around too
Love my Sherpa Crestone. Installed it on my '21 4R. Id love to share a pod light mod I did with 4 of the hand holds. I used RacksBrax mounts for my awning. Sherpa Mattracks mounts and a ROAM cargo box.
Love my Sherpa Crestone - Did tons of research before I bought it, and it wasn't even a competition. Sherpa is the best.
Unless you buy the Sport crestone version, and are lead to believe in thier description that is like the Peak series, which it will not ! Mount to the other Peak series accessories, like the sherpa outside window panels , I got screwed 😅
Woohoo! Really love this video dude. You killed it.
Thanks!! I appreciate it, you guys make a killer rack. People needed to know the engineering difference!
Do you reckon Sherpa is a stronger rack that Prinsu if you have any knowledge of them? I have the Prinsu equivalent to this on my 4Runner with a Roofnest Falcon tent on it and had both side rails near the front mounting point crack in half on a road rip once while in Utah and I had to drive home to Minnesota like that which was sketchy. They warrantied out the side rails and I changed the mounting points of the tent to distribute the weight better but that still makes me uneasy with a 160lb tent up there knowing I’ve already broke it with fairly normal use. I’ve been contemplating switching the Prinsu out to something stronger for piece of mind but can never find a solid strength comparison between brands.
I have heard this story too many times. This is exactly why most switch to prinsu. I could have told these stories but I don't want to knock prinsu. They are good racks, they are just not the strongest. You just have to spec out everything appropriately. I think if someone is just mounting an awning , storage boxes, and traction boards, a prinsu will work well. For the heavy roofnest and CVT tents, I know so many people that have had to switch to Sherpa racks because of structural issues.
If you spec out the rack right, some people don't need the extra structure and they save money by getting the prinsu rack. I think that people don't think your situation happens so they go with the cheaper option and thats not really the case, better to overbuild so you don't have a problem in the woods.
@@OverlandEngineer Yeah the rattle of a snapped rack on every bump from Salt Lake to St. Paul made me question my decision of Prinsu even though I was pretty impressed with the build quality. I had my tent on a pair of tent mounting feet when it broke which is what Prinsu recommended, but with the warrantied one currently I have my tent on double the mounting points to hopefully spread the weight more. One other gripe is just driving around town I always hear a creaking noise from the rack flexing and have been hunting down the source and trying to fix it forever with no luck.
It wasn’t on my immediate radar but sounds like a rack switch is my next project before winter. At least a freshly warrantied Prinsu on twin cities marketplace should go quick to offset the cost😂
Did you eventually mount the rack lightbar more forward?
Thank you. You confirmed my choice to go with Sherpa. Did you change out your awning? If so why?
From the Napa one? Yes. I still use the Crosswing!
What light rack do you have ? I wanna do the same rack you have but with Amber KC lights similar to yours. Did you have to modify the roof rack to make those fit ? Thanks for the helpful info I love your page bro
For sure! It’s a Sherpa Equipment Co Crestone rack. It’s slightly taller than most racks that look similar so it actually fits more lightbars well. “OVLDENG” will save 5% on anything on their site as well. Sherpa sells special brackets for the diode dynamics SS5 lightbar so it’s easy but not sure on KC. I bet some other company makes brackets and they would be compatible. All these rack companies all use standard 2”x1”x47” extrusions typically.
@@OverlandEngineer thank you I will look into that, I should be ordering the rack in a month or so, hella stoked!
Wow, that’s really a dramatic change. I actually liked your previous DIY roof rack, also thought that’s how you build your channel had right way. Now you keep switching by getting the sponsorship, I’m not sure what your real judgment for the viewer. Don’t get me wrong, it’s nice to get sponsors and free stuff, but I will take your view with a grain of salt.
I want to address this because I think many people might have this reaction but I have a rebuttal to it. I think taking my opinion now with a grain of salt is pretty dramatic.
I mentioned in my DIY video that if I was not going to build my own, I would use a Sherpa rack. That was before I had even talked to the company. From doing my research, I thought they were the best. This is how I have chosen almost all of my sponsors. I have chosen a discount with a good company over free from other companies to keep this model. This rack still cost me quite a bit of money. They did not send it to me for free. I needed to buy this primarily to keep working on finishing my DIY tent. I disassembled the bulk of my tent to build the DIY rack I was running and that was going to severely delay working on my tent more. Plus anytime my DIY rack was off my roof, I wouldn't have some of my stuff on the truck to use or photograph which was just kind of a bummer. All this to say that I don't think you need to be worried about me dramatically changing my mind all the time and that I borderline eluded to potentially running this rack in the future in my DIY video, though I was not intending to buy it at that time. Anyway
This seemed like a good way to keep working on my DIY roof top tent project and still have all the same functionality for making content weekly with products I believe in. The DIY rack is still an awesome option.
Understood, that made sense. I really like your diy projects, think it gives us the inspiration than those product oriented from sponsorship. But totally understandable, you do what you got to do. Cheers!
Research has shown that when some purchases something with their own money especially large purchases they are more inclined to say positive things about it because it’s hard to admit we made a bad choice.
Yessir. Sherpa best in the bizzz
Oh yeah!
Grand Teton for my Tacoma! Can't wait.
“Work on some content” with Sherpa lol they hooked you up with a rack. Don’t get me wrong, Sherpa is badass and I think those dudes are cool.
If you think that there are other creators that buy all their stuff full price you would be horribly mistaken. That’s exactly how everything is on Instagram as well. It’s not feasible for most of the overlanding creators of similar size to be able to afford everything we do to make content frequently. To buy everything ourselves full price we would be posting one video a month and that wouldn’t be enjoyable for all of you. What I think is important is that I reach out to companies that I am interested in working with rather than waiting for them to come to me with the best deal. I specifically have done a lot of research on racks and I bought my UpTop rack full price. I chose to reach out to Sherpa and they didn’t give me a rack for free. I’m sure I could’ve reached out to a couple of other companies and figured out a way to get a rack for free but I didn’t. That’s how I try to approach it to avoid what you are saying because I know that can be frustrating as a viewer to see a blatant bias where they pay for my review.
@@OverlandEngineer oh I meant no disrespect. I’m just jealous lol
I really like Sherpa and their products as well as enjoy your videos and such. I see what you’re saying though. It’s part of the business
@Medoc yeah, I didn’t take it as disrespect. It’s just something I really want to address because I get annoyed by that stuff too. Especially on Instagram. People should be transparent about that and talk about why something is good objectively not just what is good so even if I have that bias people watching can still make an informed decision ya know?
Does it make any sound when you driving at high speed like 60s 70s
Did you end up selling your uptop rack? / how much did you sell it for if you did? Might want to replace mine in the future
I still have it but I will be. Not quite sure what I will list it for...
hows the wind noise with the light pods on top?
When reading the website of Sherpa , it says you can't use the awning mounts that you used and have a RTT I don't see why not ?
Well just depends on the tent. They stand tall so a tent wider than like 47” will be tough…you could try off entering it but that’s not super recommended
@OverlandEngineer I've got ikamper 3.0 mini I'm going to mount soon , and I'm looking into a 270 , after some measurements, I think I could use 3 of them (overkill) but one just past the camper flip up and one in the field end ! That 3.0 mini is only 57" long ....
Great video
How do you secure those lights on the front of that rack? Or is that a single Rack in front of that that roof rack
Got a link to those amber light on your roof rack??
Saya nak tanya.berapa ketebalan papan besi yang anda gunakan untuk bahagian sisi..
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Right after I just took advantage of the prinsu discount. You couldn’t post this a couple days sooner lol
Hahaha sorry! Just call them up and cancel it quick!
Which ikamper awning is that ?
Show us you step on it and how much bend it will be.
What awning do you have?
KAMMOK Crosswing!
Thought this was going to be a video explaining the pros and cons of racks etc...not an advertisement for Sherpa. Thumbs down.
could you let me know the specs of the lift, suspension and wheels you have on your 4runner. i want my 2014 trail to look like this, i recently got it and am ready to get this thing off road
You can just go out off road. It needs nothing. Perfectly capable stock
Note: I skipped the first five minutes.