I came here for the Harley bois whinging about how their favorite t-shirt manufacturer has competition in the bike building segment. I was not disappointed.
Great video buddy, I guess u could say I'm pretty much a HD guy, but I must say Indian has sure got my attention with all the stuff they come out with in the last 2 years...keep em coming brother ✌🤙
Attended a demo day recently. The motorcycle that most impressed me was the Challenger. The next to my surprise was the RoadMaster. For two large bikes they were comfortable and handled very well. If you are a Harley-Davidson guy you should love this. It forces the Moco to up their game. Competition= consumer wins..
I am 81, disabled and getting ready to sell my '48 Chief. If I was still in the game, I would want a new Indian that looked more like my old Chief , less massive and far less gadgetry , but had lower stance, modern brakes, foot shift transmission and modern suspension. But I'm probably out of step.
I believe they are holding back a little and will release more as 2021 gets closer. November surprise? If they do, you'll see it here. Thanks Jerry ride on
In a perfect world, I would have a Springfield. I love the chrome in front. I have a 2018 Scout in Willow Green, I wanna get the fairing-custom painted Willow Green, the saddlebags, 14" sissy bar, and the luggage rack.
Indian let me down, then Polaris let me down. I assumed I was going to upgrade from my Victory Kingpin (which instantly looks like a scooter when I sit on it) to a Victory Vision. [Note: If it was just a matter of losing weight I'd keep my mouth shut, but it's not; I'm a big boy.] Then Polaris announced the new Indian and I was excited to see what they would offer - I love the full valance fender look of the classic Indians, which is partly why I was attracted to the Kingpin. I traveled to South Carolina to go on the first demo ride when the new Indians were debuted but was immediately disappointed when I sat on one; felt like I was sitting on a Street or Road Glide - no where near as much room as a Vision. Then Polaris closed the doors on Victory on left me and others wondering if we should ever trust Polaris again. My long-winded post is not intended as just another gripe... I really just want Polaris to know, if they're watching, that I'd appreciate it if they made a truly modern touring motorcycle with room for people in the top 5% of height for people where their bikes are built - and - I'd like them to have the same loyalty to their dealers and customers as they want from us. Best wishes to all.
I noticed they they seem to be moving more and more away from the skirted front fender... that's a classic and iconic feature that must stay on the big bike...imo
@CGS CPR I'm not sure what adaptive equipment you require to operate a motorcycle however have you looked into a company called Tilting Motorcycle Works? Their conversion kits aren't cheap however it might give you another option to keep riding. I wish you all the best!
Indian Listens to their cuctomers HD listens to their share holders.. Indian is beating HD at what they were known for Luxury Cruisers and selling tons of ac cessroies at a very high profit margin.. They sure are taking the wind out of HD Sales.. They should put the liquid cooloed engine in more models. The only Indian I would consider to purchase is the FTR-1200 which was never mentioned .. yet I know they still sell it ..
The new Springfield with the Maroon and Crimson paint scheme is one of the most beautiful color combos I’ve seen. Gorgeous bike. My only complaint on the Springfield is the stock seat. They really need to improve the quality and comfort. But other than that it’s a winner.
Test rode a scout, liked it quite a bit, but bought a Triumph Bonneville Speedmaster because of the touring accessories available... so Indian is on the right track with the Scout accessories in my opinion.
I’ve got an 2017 vintage and it’s beautiful piece of machine. Love everything about it . Thinking of upgrading to the new road-master with all the new bells&whistles .
Roger Shipman , offcourse not, i thought it was a Chinese factory who bought the name, turns out now even your domestic companies try to trick you, Polaris should do better than this. Indian is long gone, no heritage left just imitation, even though the quality of the bikes might be good, as i heard. Personally, never dreamed of owning a Polaris as a young kid 😂😂😂👎
@@TheMike0070 They're based and made in Iowa.... and very proudly so. Did you ever dream of owning a bike made by a bowling alley company as a young kid, though....?
I think the reason that they have gone away from including the quick-release windshield is because of potential damage to the paint around where they attach to the forks. I have a Springfield Darkhorse and the windshield had warped, causing the clamps to rub up on the top of the forks(wore through the finish). The warranty covered the repair, but the next windshield started doing the same thing. I threw some o-rings around the part that it attaches to(between the forks and the clamps) and it seems to have corrected the issue.
108 power plus needs to go in chieftain and road master. Could be offered both ways. Classic would be thunderstroke and then there would be the other version with the 108 power plus.
I'd love the road master or the challenger, beautiful looking bikes. However, I have a nerve issue in my left hand, so using a clutch for too long, say in traffic and I ended up with cramping problems. I was hoping they would have released a dct in either of those models. Maybe in another year or two they might do that. Other than that all the bikes look blood awesome!
They come a long way from the days of Gilroy. I have my eye on a Scout Bobber. I wish they would keep riding the momentum of doing things different and possibly think about a hybrid sport bike / ADV.
I knew INDIAN MOTORCYCLES was gonna produce a set cool looking auxiliary lights for it's new chieftains fairings. Just keep on keepin' on baby, INDIAN MOTORCYCLES is a wise choice in the cruiser game. ☝️😎💢
Loyalty to Harley still for me, but these bikes are great, company def moving in the right direction, more longevity this time around for Indian, and I could see owning both harley and Indian, in my future.
Thanks Broncoride. Just occurred to me, you’re one of the first stickers I ever got. Still have it on my lucky helmet (the one I was in a crash with). Thanks for all the support brother!
They ought to be honest and call them the new Polaris models. All they did was buy the right to use the name “Indian” and they have the gall to use the “since 1091” on the badge. The real Indian motor company died in 1954.
Those Scout options have been around for years. The aftermarket, of course, goes crazy with stuff. I saw a pic of a full dress Scout. I mean FULL. It was a mini Roadmaster. Armrests for the passenger and everything. I suppose that the Scout fits in the lineup like the Sportster does in Harley's, but the Scout is SOOOO much better. In every way. I've owned a lot of bikes, and they were all my "favorite" at least temporarily, but my Scout has staying power. I'll be buried with it. I got tired of fighting huge bikes that take all the fun out of it. The Scout is just right, even with me at 6' 3" tall. Kit it out properly and you'll be comfortable and have an absolute blast. Even for touring. It's a motorcycle, after all, not a car. If you want to be isolated from the world get a Miata.
Next year they are adding doors and two additional tires to the thing LOL. I feel ya on the Scout. In the lineup yes, it fits where the Sportster does but I got to travel with a buddy of mine to South Dakota last month and his Scout was a champ.
I have a Iron 883 if I ever decide to get ride of it, I'm to check out the Scout Sixty! I can't believe the cost for 883 to be upgraded! And it still falls very short in hp compared to the Scout Sixity.
Love the review...the Dark Horse is pretty damn amazing! I own both HD (08 Fatboy) and Indian( 2001 & 2019 Chief). Wish I waited for that Dark Horse. BTW, HD just pulled out of the worlds largest motorcycle market today - INDIA. 2 Days ago they hired a CFO from Tyson (Chicken/Pork/Wieners) Corp. Now you can really stick a fork in it....just kidding.
0.38 " Can you imagine if Harley Davidson came out with touring mods for the freaking Sportster?" Harley did exactly that on the Sportster Superlow 1200T (T as in Touring).
@@DirtyDeez I toured 24 States on a Sportster pulling a trailer behind it for half of those. Road King shocks detachable saddlebags detachable windshield Mustang wide touring seat forward controls and medium rise handlebars. That thing toured flawlessly. The last trip I took was from Texas to New Orleans, New Orleans to Fort Lauderdale, and then Fort Lauderdale to Key West and back to Texas. That run from New Orleans to Fort Lauderdale was nearly a thousand miles in one day. It's not the size of the bike it's how you set it up.
The ferring on the scout has been around for a while it looks like. There really isnt that much change to the scout it looks like except for the seat color and maybe paint. My only complaint with Indian is with how long they have been taking to get accessories from Polaris thanks to Covid. Not a fan of ordering my ferring for my 2020 scout in July and now have to wait until December according to my dealer.
@@DirtyDeez it is. Whats even worse is when I asked why it was taking so long they said they hadnt gotten the paint in so its been pushed back from Septembee to December. They need to fix their supply chain if they want to keep customers coming back. Thats going to be deadly of it isnt resolved post Covid.
Dirty Deez it’s a thing. But I want something that leans a little heavier on the street fighter side. Maybe a little shorter wheelbase and lighter to. We need an American v twin sports bike!!! And Harley canceled the Bronx so there goes that option 😩
Indian should pick up Erik Buell, then give him some free reign. The consumer would see some interesting bikes and HD would get another middle finger for what they did to Erik.
Yeah, I own a M8 RGS, full headers, filter, stage II can, & customer tune, love the look but it’s still slower than a stock Chllenger after almost $4K added. My 4th new H-D, probably my last, just way too slow, I’m w/ u
David Madigan Actually Harley went through several revisions to improve the oil pump. The 2020 pump according to builders is top notch. The M8 like the twin cam had teething problems. I had a 2017 but just had to have a 2018 Anniversary Street Glide 107 which I loved. I had a gentleman that just had to have my Anniversary bike. That bike with the Zipper’s Redshift 468 was flawless. Now my 2020 Road Glide with the 114 is smooth, refined and definitely a keeper. Zero issues. Ride safe.
David Madigan Hi. Dave. At the end of the day quality control is an issue in all businesses today. I was in a conversation with a fellow that had a 1200 Suzuki Bandit. I had purchased one exactly as his years ago. These bikes were using oil like crazy and Suzuki position was “a quart in 1,000 miles is acceptable (sound familiar). Long story short Suzuki fought us tooth and nail over this. Problem? The oil relief holes in the oil ring groove was drilled too large and was peaking over the ring groove landing. Suzuki never did make it right and I never purchased a Suzuki problem again. Unfortunately there is no 100% American vehicle produced anymore. Am I happy about that? No. But it’s a global economy. Take for instance the Showa suspension on the Harley’s. Dollar to donuts they are on a lot of bikes and we don’t know it. Showa in the US is headquarter I believe in the Midwest. I do know that there were issues back in 17, 18 with the Stage 3 and 4 kits in the M8. Every builder in my world when that started switched to the Feuling abc S&S pump. I do believe that the current pump as reviewed by various builders is a good product as evidenced by Moonshine Harley. I really don’t see me doing a stage kit to my 2020 Road Glide as it has a ton of torque bone stock. However, I will have Zipper’s install different lifters and a cam. I am no fan of Harley’s lifters even though they are made in the USA. Be safe my friend!
Greetings from the UK. I would love to see a Scout that pays tribute to the original Sports Scout. So full Chief style fenders, two into one exhaust (muffler in USA parlance) two tone colour scheme, wire (spoked) wheels, no chrome.
Sounds like a cool build project. I’m gonna look up the older scouts. Thanks Hopward and greetings from Texas. What part of the UK? My wife was born in Oxfordshire.
And this is why they are quickly becoming a rider favourite. If they keep this up they will be up Harleys arse very soon. Great video my friend and i would buy the Challenger as its named after my Tank.
I have a 2014 Chieftain, I love it.... The new Indians seem to be taking more styling cues from Hardley, the challenger is bad ass but the fairing is remarkably similar to the Road Glide......The full skirted fenders are coming on fewer bikes, are they going away next year? That would be a shame! The new saddle bags are more Hardleyisk, I prefer my rounded Indian style......
So many options these days, but that's a good thing, I would probably go with the Indian Dark horse, another awesome video brother, keep up the good work 💯👍🏼
Funny you mention Harley Davidson because several of the "NEW" features that Indian is offering for 2021 models are already available on current 2020 Harley Davidson models. As usual Indian is riding on Harley's coat tails and has not created anything original. Bottom line is Indian will always be compared to Harley Davidson and will always be #2. Just my opinion, maybe.
HD is loosing Millions Stocks lost 70% value but recently came back some.. HD President resinged or was fired.. Many Lay offs and cut backs fewer versions of the same old boring models being offered.. HD was buying their own stockes backk HD is deeply in debt.. HD shutting down Foreigh bike Production .. HD is dropping out of Foreigh markets they were not doing well in .. HD is trying to save their ASSES now HD will survive but many HD Dealers will fail .. Indian Sales way up HD sales way down .. do the MATH.
rbn8792 Nothing original? Indian had the first hydraulic front forks, the first rear swing arm, electric starter, battery and lights. Harley even copied the V Twin that Indian had first. Todays Indian is not designed to even compete with Harley, today's Indian is a performance bike, somethings Harley has never designed or built, preferring to manufacture low power cheap junk that leaks oil, vibrates your hands to sleep, strips shift shafts, destroys oil pumps, compensators, cam tensioners and head gaskets. Indian on the other hand sells a base air cooled engine that goes 250,000 miles with only basic maintenance 5000 mile oil changes and a bottom end designed to live with 300 hp. Indian's latest engine used in Challenger in stock form produces 30 more HP than any stock Harley and is designed to go 500,000 miles with basic service, nothing Harley can build or has any interest in producing for the next sucker who walks in their door, buys a new bike and soon finds the all great Harley has canceled their warranty for later adding slip on exhaust to their bike. Harley owners can work on their smile and wave sitting around the Harley shop buying shirts and chrome, waiting for out of pocket repairs so they look important when we blow their doors off with our extra 30 HP and reliability they will never have.
@@oneslave3318 Your Opinion about HD is much like mine , but you seem to have more facts.. I go more on how HD always lobbied the AMA to handi cap the other brands so HD could win Flat Track races.. How they got President Ronald Reagan to put a 40% Import tax on all Japanese bikes over 700 CC's ect.. HD has promoted a culture of bike riders and it worked for a couple of decades..
@@mikeskidmore6754 HD just pulled out of the worlds largest motorcycle market today - INDIA. 2 Days ago they hired a CFO from Tyson (Chicken/Pork/Wieners) Corp. Now you can really stick a fork in it....just kidding.
Why doesn't Indian offer those upgrades as Standard. Seems they want the Best Bike on the market, then offer it as the Best in the market. No need to add additional equipment.
No dealers here in Newfoundland at all.. Only a very few in all of Canada.. I thought Polaris dealers could end up selling them but it never came to be ..
Not a huge Indian fan. (Relax haters. It's just my personal feeling.) But.. the Vintage and the Springfield aren't bad at all. I think my next new addition to the stable is a sportbike but.. I could see myself getting the Vintage after that. And I think I'd lean toward the Dark Horse. Absolutely. I'm not sure I want all that chrome.
Hey Chris, you know I'm an HD fan but do respect what Polaris is doing with the Indian name. We'll see what HD comes back with. My next - hmmm...got to see how the year pans ouot.
The springfield is getting the 116 on the base springfield model(Dark horse already having it), instead of it being an optional extra In my mind that's a massive change
I am of the Old Skool way of thinking and though in my 60ś I still prefer riding a scoot without a windshield, fairing, stereo, heated anything, and as stripped down as possible. IMHO if you want all that fancy crap you are completely missing the point of motorcycle riding. Sell the space shuttle and go back to driving a car.
LOL I prefer mine stripped down as well. When I got my bike it came with a detachable windshield. Tried it once, rode back home and took it off. Makes a great way to display my Spurs banner though.
I like long distance riding and camping .. You have to have some luggage for that.. I have all that on a Yamaha FZ-07 not the best choice for long distance touring at all.. I can take the side cases top case and tank bag off in two minutes.. but I almost always leave them on .
I have a Scout bobber. Love it. But sometimes it would be nice to have a more comfortable seat (and some carrying capacity) when our IMRG goes on really long rides.
@@mwblackbelt Best Seats .. Saddleman , then Corbin .. The Air Cushions are great and Air Hawk I think is the brand I use on my Yamaha FZ-07 which has a hard seat.. Have to carry a garbage bag to cover it and keep it dry has water absorbant material on it
Really having a hard time between the new Challenger Dark Horse and waiting for the 2021 CVO bikes from HD. (I believe there will be a Road Glide CVO again) I own a tricked out stage four 2018 Road Glide Special that I like... a lot, 37K miles. I get a new bike every 3 years... WAY TO MUCH VALUE in the Indians.. everyone I know that has one loves their bike...But there's my loyalty and "coolness" factor to contend with...I've owned over 25 HD's and its hard to turn my back. If i were to need to buy today.. It would be a challenger..so I guess time will tell. Great Video btw.
Jay thanks for the great comment. Man 25 HDs that’s one heck of a rap sheet! Mine now is an 07 Fatboy and it’s my keeper even if I do pick up another one down the road (it’s paid off - heck yeah). It’s gonna be good to see how HD answers the Indian lineup. HD is smart to push their release closer to “riding season”. On the flip side, here in TX we ride year round so it could end up playing in Indian’s favor. The plot thickens. Take care man
It looks like the Chieftain classic is gone. At least that's what it looked like to me on the website today. The regular Cheiftain now has the fairing and bags the limited does. Cool with me though, most people didn't like the locomotive fairing . I'm surprised they didn't take it off the Roadmaster completely too
Polaris/Victory/Indian or whatever they are called. Stage tuning, adaptive headlights, choice of handlebars. linked in Apple/Android phones. At this rate in 10 years they would have caught up with Harley.
The Scout is bad-ass. My third bike. I don’t tour. I don’t need a big, geezer, bagger monstrosity. Personally, I think that’s what is killing H-D. There are those of us who spend an hour one way and don’t mind the wind hitting us. For. We are not pussies. The Scout is an old school bike that gives us a Bobber option.
Indian in offering demo rides at the rally this weekend, I may try me a Challenger... And Harley will be there with the demo truck, new Challenger vs Street Glide...
@ Riding in the Ozarks. I rode HD's and the Indian's. Latest being the Challenger vs Roadglide. No contest. The Challenger's got the quicker motor and adjustable windscreen. The Roadglide is nice .It's your typical Harley power delivery. A Torque monster. But I'd say the Challenger has Goldwing HP (over 100 HP) & throttle response. It spools up faster than a Milwaukee 8 . The power plus motor revs almost like multi cylinder .But with the torque of a twin. The Challenger really is very nice and pretty quick too.
Harley has released touring mods for „the frickin sportster“ there are saddlebags, windshields, backrests and all kinds of stuff available to turn your „frickin sportster“ into a touringbike. Or you just buy a „frickin sportster“ T1200 which already is a mini-tourer straight out of the gate.
@@mikeskidmore6754 couple of years back I would have agreed with you. Then I worked on a carbed Sportys 1200. Did the usual mild warming over to enhance its torque and hp. Then I rode it. Slow it wasn't. Basic...a tittle rugged; but I got off it with a big grin...they are fun bikes that have zero hassles with parts...on the rare occasions needed. Rebuild able and strong. I'm picking Indian will release a new model...if it doesn't fly...dump it I when stocks sell= parts for a few years. Take a look at what is said about Victory parts right now.
When is a motorcycle no longer a motorcycle? My bike has heated grips. Yep, I use them but are they necessary? I like the retro ones, the dark ones don't do it for me and I think the classic ones could do with a little less chrome. Nice bikes though.
Can you explain how they got 133 hp from the 116 big bore kit. I have the kit in my 2017 Chief and I got 102hp 121 torque. That’s a far cry fro 133. And I brought it to a great dyno tuner not an operator. Do you have a dyno sheet. I’d like to see it.
Dirty Deez I had my bike dynoed again at Daytona bike week and got 110 hp 132 tq. I’m not busting your chops I would just like to know how you got 133hp? I’m always looking to get more.
Which one would I buy? Easy. I want a "Chief". Wait a minute. For 2021 there is no "Chief". I thought that Polaris claimed that they would be a good custodian of Indian heritage. I suppose that next they will get rid of the names "Roadmaster", "Chieftain" and "Scout".
Not sure why they ditched Chief. Maybe the PC police came down on them but if that was the case Id think they would have scrapped the Indian name all together. Afterall , Native Americans are not Indians.
I came here for the Harley bois whinging about how their favorite t-shirt manufacturer has competition in the bike building segment. I was not disappointed.
I'm a Victory owner. The main reason I watch Indian videos is to read the comments from butthurt harleytards.
all over Europe, the 111 disappeared, ALL Thunder Strokes have the 116 in 2021, likely due to new Euro 5 emission regulation
Well, well, well
I'm a Harley Rider, never had an Indian, but man... These look like they blow HD out of the water.
Hd now is pathetic
Great video buddy, I guess u could say I'm pretty much a HD guy, but I must say Indian has sure got my attention with all the stuff they come out with in the last 2 years...keep em coming brother ✌🤙
I'm a Harley guy too man but wouldn't mind adding to the garage with that Vintage Dark Horse. Thanks for checking it out Shakey!
Attended a demo day recently. The motorcycle that most impressed me was the Challenger. The next to my surprise was the RoadMaster. For two large bikes they were comfortable and handled very well. If you are a Harley-Davidson guy you should love this. It forces the Moco to up their game. Competition= consumer wins..
Nailed it. If you're a motorcycle person at all, got to be impressed with some of the innovation.
I am 81, disabled and getting ready to sell my '48 Chief. If I was still in the game, I would want a new Indian that looked more like my old Chief , less massive and far less gadgetry , but had lower stance, modern brakes, foot shift transmission and modern suspension. But I'm probably out of step.
Getting a bike after 25 years out and the Scout is a contender Great overview! Thanks...
Right on Emdo
I really like the style of the darkhorse chieftain and they have some new paint schemes for 2021.
I believe they are holding back a little and will release more as 2021 gets closer. November surprise? If they do, you'll see it here. Thanks Jerry ride on
In a perfect world, I would have a Springfield. I love the chrome in front.
I have a 2018 Scout in Willow Green, I wanna get the fairing-custom painted Willow Green, the saddlebags, 14" sissy bar, and the luggage rack.
I never rode a motorcycle but I LOVE Indian.More then anything else.Especially the vintage style ones.Harleys always looked uncomfortable.
Bring the Springfield back in colors. Enough with the matte black finishes.
Amen brother!
Indian let me down, then Polaris let me down. I assumed I was going to upgrade from my Victory Kingpin (which instantly looks like a scooter when I sit on it) to a Victory Vision. [Note: If it was just a matter of losing weight I'd keep my mouth shut, but it's not; I'm a big boy.] Then Polaris announced the new Indian and I was excited to see what they would offer - I love the full valance fender look of the classic Indians, which is partly why I was attracted to the Kingpin. I traveled to South Carolina to go on the first demo ride when the new Indians were debuted but was immediately disappointed when I sat on one; felt like I was sitting on a Street or Road Glide - no where near as much room as a Vision. Then Polaris closed the doors on Victory on left me and others wondering if we should ever trust Polaris again. My long-winded post is not intended as just another gripe... I really just want Polaris to know, if they're watching, that I'd appreciate it if they made a truly modern touring motorcycle with room for people in the top 5% of height for people where their bikes are built - and - I'd like them to have the same loyalty to their dealers and customers as they want from us.
Best wishes to all.
I noticed they they seem to be moving more and more away from the skirted front fender... that's a classic and iconic feature that must stay on the big bike...imo
They're wanting to look more like a harley 🤣
As a disabled rider I would love to see a factory trike from Indian
I know HD has them. Have you looked at conversion kits?
I have not a bad opinion
@CGS CPR I'm not sure what adaptive equipment you require to operate a motorcycle however have you looked into a company called Tilting Motorcycle Works? Their conversion kits aren't cheap however it might give you another option to keep riding. I wish you all the best!
I'm here in texas for work, no motorcycle 😭.. but you go me knee deep in motorcycle talk!! Thank you great job
Yo bud! If you're anywhere around San Antonio let me know.
@@DirtyDeez I wish.. im in Dallas-Fort worth
Indian Listens to their cuctomers HD listens to their share holders.. Indian is beating HD at what they were known for Luxury Cruisers and selling tons of ac cessroies at a very high profit margin.. They sure are taking the wind out of HD Sales.. They should put the liquid cooloed engine in more models.
The only Indian I would consider to purchase is the FTR-1200 which was never mentioned .. yet I know they still sell it ..
The challenger, liquid cooled,looks awesome,better than Harley road glide,
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The Vintage Blackout Package. Super cool!
Uncle Le😎
Sooooo happy that this beautiful motorcycle company is resurrected !!! Good vibes your way Indian and ONE day I’ll own a Scout Bobber I promise !
The new Springfield with the Maroon and Crimson paint scheme is one of the most beautiful color combos I’ve seen. Gorgeous bike. My only complaint on the Springfield is the stock seat. They really need to improve the quality and comfort. But other than that it’s a winner.
I wonder if Indian has seriously considered producing an inline 4 cylinder bike similar in looks etc. to the 1940's design.
Test rode a scout, liked it quite a bit, but bought a Triumph Bonneville Speedmaster because of the touring accessories available... so Indian is on the right track with the Scout accessories in my opinion.
OMG. How did we bikers ever survive without all these 'bells & whistles' electrical thingamies to go wrong?
Could people ever ride cross country without all that stuff. Even better question... how many with all that stuff will ever ride cross country??
Love an early 2000s with a carb. And what’s with all this horsepower? Good god!
You did, you had Harley that had no techy/thingamajigies to go wrong, Harley just had EVERYTHING else go wrong for twice the price😂
Ok boomer 🤣
I’ve got an 2017 vintage and it’s beautiful piece of machine. Love everything about it . Thinking of upgrading to the new road-master with all the new bells&whistles .
Deez Would you send a copy of this video to the new CEO for Harley-Davidson
Yes. I'm going to take a shot in the dark on his email but should be able to get it to someone close.
@@DirtyDeez Not bashing Indian but they are nowhere near the quality of HD.
@@rogershipman3578 sounds like bashing to me... (No facts or evidence presented, just throwing shade)?
Roger Shipman , offcourse not, i thought it was a Chinese factory who bought the name, turns out now even your domestic companies try to trick you, Polaris should do better than this. Indian is long gone, no heritage left just imitation, even though the quality of the bikes might be good, as i heard. Personally, never dreamed of owning a Polaris as a young kid 😂😂😂👎
@@TheMike0070 They're based and made in Iowa.... and very proudly so. Did you ever dream of owning a bike made by a bowling alley company as a young kid, though....?
I think the reason that they have gone away from including the quick-release windshield is because of potential damage to the paint around where they attach to the forks. I have a Springfield Darkhorse and the windshield had warped, causing the clamps to rub up on the top of the forks(wore through the finish). The warranty covered the repair, but the next windshield started doing the same thing. I threw some o-rings around the part that it attaches to(between the forks and the clamps) and it seems to have corrected the issue.
I see a Challenger in my future....happiness is only a payment away
People who say money can't buy happiness hasn't ridden a motorcycle. It definitely costs money.
Dont forget the interest on the payement !
If money wasn't an issue. I really like the Chieftain Darkhorse with the 116. Header with no cat and Zombie slip ons..
Jimbo that sounds like a great inner in my book
I absolutely love the scout it’s just an awesome looking bike and it’s got balls to
I would have to say the Chieftain Darkhorse would be a good choice for me.
Same here it's a beast
Looking at the Challenger in the future I was hoping that they would incorporate some type of touring model with the challenger
They added the quick release tour pack this year for challenger
108 power plus needs to go in chieftain and road master. Could be offered both ways. Classic would be thunderstroke and then there would be the other version with the 108 power plus.
So the same bike with 108 or Powerplus option. I could see that.
Dirty Deez same bike, 111 thunder stroke, or a 108 power plus. Yep, just consider the thunder stroke a “classic” version of engine.
Dirty Deez giving people the option of two different engines, but the same style of bike may work well. I dunno
@@DirtyDeez And an improved rider triangle. And 5,000 bucks cheaper.
I think that’s what keeps the challenger unique is the engine as well as styling. So that way all models success. Just my thoughts.
Nice bikes, but where is the adventure bike? Even Harley took a swing at it.
I'd love the road master or the challenger, beautiful looking bikes. However, I have a nerve issue in my left hand, so using a clutch for too long, say in traffic and I ended up with cramping problems. I was hoping they would have released a dct in either of those models. Maybe in another year or two they might do that. Other than that all the bikes look blood awesome!
They come a long way from the days of Gilroy. I have my eye on a Scout Bobber. I wish they would keep riding the momentum of doing things different and possibly think about a hybrid sport bike / ADV.
I love the classic Chieftain fairing, wish I could afford a Roadmaster with that classic front.
I’d definitely buy the Dark Horse if I could afford it
Vintage Dark Horse ! Hands down
Right?! I mean dang what's not to like about that bike maybe other than the fringe.
I loved riding the scout, the challenger AND the chieftain. I’m excited to learn more from your video and more.
Hey Whit, thanks for checking it out. Wishing you all the best and safest rides. Keep on rollin buddy.
I knew INDIAN MOTORCYCLES was gonna produce a set cool looking auxiliary lights for it's new chieftains fairings.
Just keep on keepin' on baby, INDIAN MOTORCYCLES is a wise choice in the cruiser game.
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Ellis, youi'll see all kids of bikes on this channel, will bring updates as they occur. Stay tuned bud
Great video, content, audio, visuals
Scout for $8,999 can't beat it
Classic beautiful lines, modern reliability, double Sportsters horsepower & torque, sleek & cool fairing.....no brainer choice !!
Loyalty to Harley still for me, but these bikes are great, company def moving in the right direction, more longevity this time around for Indian, and I could see owning both harley and Indian, in my future.
Nice job man presenting the new Indian models.
Thanks Broncoride. Just occurred to me, you’re one of the first stickers I ever got. Still have it on my lucky helmet (the one I was in a crash with). Thanks for all the support brother!
They ought to be honest and call them the new Polaris models. All they did was buy the right to use the name “Indian” and they have the gall to use the “since 1091” on the badge. The real Indian motor company died in 1954.
Those Scout options have been around for years. The aftermarket, of course, goes crazy with stuff. I saw a pic of a full dress Scout. I mean FULL. It was a mini Roadmaster. Armrests for the passenger and everything.
I suppose that the Scout fits in the lineup like the Sportster does in Harley's, but the Scout is SOOOO much better. In every way. I've owned a lot of bikes, and they were all my "favorite" at least temporarily, but my Scout has staying power. I'll be buried with it. I got tired of fighting huge bikes that take all the fun out of it. The Scout is just right, even with me at 6' 3" tall. Kit it out properly and you'll be comfortable and have an absolute blast. Even for touring. It's a motorcycle, after all, not a car. If you want to be isolated from the world get a Miata.
Next year they are adding doors and two additional tires to the thing LOL. I feel ya on the Scout. In the lineup yes, it fits where the Sportster does but I got to travel with a buddy of mine to South Dakota last month and his Scout was a champ.
I have a Iron 883 if I ever decide to get ride of it, I'm to check out the Scout Sixty! I can't believe the cost for 883 to be upgraded! And it still falls very short in hp compared to the Scout Sixity.
Love the review...the Dark Horse is pretty damn amazing! I own both HD (08 Fatboy) and Indian( 2001 & 2019 Chief). Wish I waited for that Dark Horse. BTW, HD just pulled out of the worlds largest motorcycle market today - INDIA. 2 Days ago they hired a CFO from Tyson (Chicken/Pork/Wieners) Corp. Now you can really stick a fork in it....just kidding.
0.38 " Can you imagine if Harley Davidson came out with touring mods for the freaking Sportster?"
Harley did exactly that on the Sportster Superlow 1200T (T as in Touring).
You and I know that wasn’t a touring bike
@@DirtyDeez I toured 24 States on a Sportster pulling a trailer behind it for half of those. Road King shocks detachable saddlebags detachable windshield Mustang wide touring seat forward controls and medium rise handlebars. That thing toured flawlessly. The last trip I took was from Texas to New Orleans, New Orleans to Fort Lauderdale, and then Fort Lauderdale to Key West and back to Texas. That run from New Orleans to Fort Lauderdale was nearly a thousand miles in one day. It's not the size of the bike it's how you set it up.
Nice review. I was hoping to see a full touring version of the Challenger. I am in waiting mode.
Hey e b. I got to ride with a couple guys on Challengers last month - interstate ride. What would you add to it if you were at the design table?
@@DirtyDeez front lowers, trunk with set-up for passenger and speakers. Basically set-up like an Ultra
They have the tour pak quick release for the challenger..
Great lineup 😎🤘🏻 Indian is definitely in it to win it. I'm partial to the scout bobber over any of the rest. Great vid bud🤙🏼
Yo brother it was cool getting the latest info on the new grouping. I think you and I probably see it the same way. Lean and mean in the corners.
Dirty Deez yessir 😎🤘🏻
The ferring on the scout has been around for a while it looks like. There really isnt that much change to the scout it looks like except for the seat color and maybe paint. My only complaint with Indian is with how long they have been taking to get accessories from Polaris thanks to Covid. Not a fan of ordering my ferring for my 2020 scout in July and now have to wait until December according to my dealer.
Hey Raf. Yeah wow I didn't realize how long that supply chain takes. Pretty frustrating.
@@DirtyDeez it is. Whats even worse is when I asked why it was taking so long they said they hadnt gotten the paint in so its been pushed back from Septembee to December. They need to fix their supply chain if they want to keep customers coming back. Thats going to be deadly of it isnt resolved post Covid.
I would like that fairing but way OVERPRICED! And incomplete!
I would definitely buy the Thunderstroack. It’s an awesome looking bike!🤘🏼🇺🇸
Good choice!
The Challenger Dark Horse is sick!...way better than the one I saw blow up at Cape Canaveral.
Hahaha! I would have loved to see that
Dang it! I was so hoping for an update to the ftr1200. Maybe a more street dedicated version and maybe a little more power
Back in May there were rumors of a carbon fiber edition FTR. I'm still looking into that for 2021
Dirty Deez it’s a thing. But I want something that leans a little heavier on the street fighter side. Maybe a little shorter wheelbase and lighter to. We need an American v twin sports bike!!! And Harley canceled the Bronx so there goes that option 😩
Indian should pick up Erik Buell, then give him some free reign. The consumer would see some interesting bikes and HD would get another middle finger for what they did to Erik.
Neil Snape this would be awesome!!! Someone needs to tell Indian and Eric this now!!!
More nails in Harleys Coffin! I own a Milwaukee8, soon to be a Challenger.
Bye
Yeah, I own a M8 RGS, full headers, filter, stage II can, & customer tune, love the look but it’s still slower than a stock Chllenger after almost $4K added. My 4th new H-D, probably my last, just way too slow, I’m w/ u
David Madigan What year Harley do you have? To say that Harley has not addressed the oil pump issue is simply not true.
David Madigan Actually Harley went through several revisions to improve the oil pump. The 2020 pump according to builders is top notch. The M8 like the twin cam had teething problems. I had a 2017 but just had to have a 2018 Anniversary Street Glide 107 which I loved. I had a gentleman that just had to have my Anniversary bike. That bike with the Zipper’s Redshift 468 was flawless. Now my 2020 Road Glide with the 114 is smooth, refined and definitely a keeper. Zero issues.
Ride safe.
David Madigan Hi. Dave.
At the end of the day quality control is an issue in all businesses today. I was in a conversation with a fellow that had a 1200 Suzuki Bandit. I had purchased one exactly as his years ago. These bikes were using oil like crazy and Suzuki position was “a quart in 1,000 miles is acceptable (sound familiar). Long story short Suzuki fought us tooth and nail over this. Problem? The oil relief holes in the oil ring groove was drilled too large and was peaking over the ring groove landing.
Suzuki never did make it right and I never purchased a Suzuki problem again.
Unfortunately there is no 100% American vehicle produced anymore. Am I happy about that? No. But it’s a global economy. Take for instance the Showa suspension on the Harley’s. Dollar to donuts they are on a lot of bikes and we don’t know it. Showa in the US is headquarter I believe in the Midwest.
I do know that there were issues back in 17, 18 with the Stage 3 and 4 kits in the M8. Every builder in my world when that started switched to the Feuling abc S&S pump. I do believe that the current pump as reviewed by various builders is a good product as evidenced by Moonshine Harley.
I really don’t see me doing a stage kit to my 2020 Road Glide as it has a ton of torque bone stock. However, I will have Zipper’s install different lifters and a cam. I am no fan of Harley’s lifters even though they are made in the USA.
Be safe my friend!
Greetings from the UK. I would love to see a Scout that pays tribute to the original Sports Scout. So full Chief style fenders, two into one exhaust (muffler in USA parlance) two tone colour scheme, wire (spoked) wheels, no chrome.
Sounds like a cool build project. I’m gonna look up the older scouts. Thanks Hopward and greetings from Texas. What part of the UK? My wife was born in Oxfordshire.
Dirty Deez I was born in London, moved to Milton Keynes as a youngster, then to Northamptonshire
And this is why they are quickly becoming a rider favourite. If they keep this up they will be up Harleys arse very soon. Great video my friend and i would buy the Challenger as its named after my Tank.
Hello The Military Biker. Great to have you here. Do you ride a cruiser? Messing with you Scouse!
Dirty Deez hahah got me there man, great video mate hope you are well. ✌️
Everybody get out there and buy those bikes so I can pick them up on the cheap next decade!
I would like a folding passenger seat for the bobber.
Indian is doing some really nice things, that will appeal to the younger tech addicted crowds.
I'm bummed, still no FTR750. Well guess ill have to get something else till they make one, if they ever do.
Making some really nice mosickles these days,Indian really are getting it together...
Harley is in deep, deep kimchi... 👍🤯
Well done bro man. Some big upgrades from Indian on they way ! I’d buy em all !!!!
Love my scout ! Most fun bike I ever had 🤘🏽
I've seen some incredible looking and performing Scouts. They nailed it with the design of that bike.
Dirty Deez sure did done that lol. Love that thing !!! Ever ride one???
Definitely the Scout without a doubt! 😎☺️🤗
Torque gets you moving, horse power keeps you there.
Unless the horse is named Torque and has a bum day.
I am loving this vintage dark horse even more now! Just excited about this lineup all together. You know your stuff sir! Love the video!
I have a 2014 Chieftain, I love it.... The new Indians seem to be taking more styling cues from Hardley, the challenger is bad ass but the fairing is remarkably similar to the Road Glide......The full skirted fenders are coming on fewer bikes, are they going away next year? That would be a shame! The new saddle bags are more Hardleyisk, I prefer my rounded Indian style......
So many options these days, but that's a good thing, I would probably go with the Indian Dark horse, another awesome video brother, keep up the good work 💯👍🏼
Thank you my friend. Once I saw all the new stuff they are doing in the Indian camp, had to put the info out there.
@@DirtyDeez it's a good thing that they are adding all the extras, it's definitely the best way to compete with Harley 👍🏼💯
Indian had hit the ground running, and hasn’t looked back. Harley on the other hand is still in the gate, and doesn’t seem concerned at all.
Funny you mention Harley Davidson because several of the "NEW" features that Indian is offering for 2021 models are already available on current 2020 Harley Davidson models. As usual Indian is riding on Harley's coat tails and has not created anything original. Bottom line is Indian will always be compared to Harley Davidson and will always be #2. Just my opinion, maybe.
HD is loosing Millions Stocks lost 70% value but recently came back some.. HD President resinged or was fired.. Many Lay offs and cut backs fewer versions of the same old boring models being offered..
HD was buying their own stockes backk HD is deeply in debt.. HD shutting down Foreigh bike Production .. HD is dropping out of Foreigh markets they were not doing well in ..
HD is trying to save their ASSES now HD will survive but many HD Dealers will fail .. Indian Sales way up HD sales way down .. do the MATH.
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Nothing original?
Indian had the first hydraulic front forks, the first rear swing arm, electric starter, battery and lights.
Harley even copied the V Twin that Indian had first.
Todays Indian is not designed to even compete with Harley, today's Indian is a performance bike, somethings Harley has never designed or built, preferring to manufacture low power cheap junk that leaks oil, vibrates your hands to sleep, strips shift shafts, destroys oil pumps, compensators, cam tensioners and head gaskets.
Indian on the other hand sells a base air cooled engine that goes 250,000 miles with only basic maintenance 5000 mile oil changes and a bottom end designed to live with 300 hp.
Indian's latest engine used in Challenger in stock form produces 30 more HP than any stock Harley and is designed to go 500,000 miles with basic service, nothing Harley can build or has any interest in producing for the next sucker who walks in their door, buys a new bike and soon finds the all great Harley has canceled their warranty for later adding slip on exhaust to their bike.
Harley owners can work on their smile and wave sitting around the Harley shop buying shirts and chrome, waiting for out of pocket repairs so they look important when we blow their doors off with our extra 30 HP and reliability they will never have.
@@oneslave3318 Your Opinion about HD is much like mine , but you seem to have more facts.. I go more on how HD always lobbied the AMA to handi cap the other brands so HD could win Flat Track races..
How they got President Ronald Reagan to put a 40% Import tax on all Japanese bikes over 700 CC's ect.. HD has promoted a culture of bike riders and it worked for a couple of decades..
@@mikeskidmore6754 HD just pulled out of the worlds largest motorcycle market today - INDIA. 2 Days ago they hired a CFO from Tyson (Chicken/Pork/Wieners) Corp. Now you can really stick a fork in it....just kidding.
Why doesn't Indian offer those upgrades as Standard. Seems they want the Best Bike on the market, then offer it as the Best in the market. No need to add additional equipment.
The Dark Horse is the sickest bike hands down
No dealers here in Newfoundland at all.. Only a very few in all of Canada.. I thought Polaris dealers could end up selling them but it never came to be ..
Well, if you need a bike shipped from the US let me know.
Not a huge Indian fan. (Relax haters. It's just my personal feeling.) But.. the Vintage and the Springfield aren't bad at all. I think my next new addition to the stable is a sportbike but.. I could see myself getting the Vintage after that. And I think I'd lean toward the Dark Horse. Absolutely. I'm not sure I want all that chrome.
Hey Chris, you know I'm an HD fan but do respect what Polaris is doing with the Indian name. We'll see what HD comes back with. My next - hmmm...got to see how the year pans ouot.
The only thing that kills me about Indian is you cant have a dark horse with gloss paint, I hate satin paint but I stilll don’t want chrome.
I hear ya.
I would love a Challenger with a tour pack !!
The springfield is getting the 116 on the base springfield model(Dark horse already having it), instead of it being an optional extra
In my mind that's a massive change
very nice indian bikes in 2021 lineup.watching my friend from phillipines
MotuRo great to have you here bud. Going over the check out the channel. Stay tuned.
I am of the Old Skool way of thinking and though in my 60ś I still prefer riding a scoot without a windshield, fairing, stereo, heated anything, and as stripped down as possible. IMHO if you want all that fancy crap you are completely missing the point of motorcycle riding. Sell the space shuttle and go back to driving a car.
LOL I prefer mine stripped down as well. When I got my bike it came with a detachable windshield. Tried it once, rode back home and took it off. Makes a great way to display my Spurs banner though.
I like long distance riding and camping .. You have to have some luggage for that.. I have all that on a Yamaha FZ-07 not the best choice for long distance touring at all.. I can take the side cases top case and tank bag off in two minutes.. but I almost always leave them on .
I have a Scout bobber. Love it. But sometimes it would be nice to have a more comfortable seat (and some carrying capacity) when our IMRG goes on really long rides.
@@mwblackbelt Best Seats .. Saddleman , then Corbin .. The Air Cushions are great and Air Hawk I think is the brand I use on my Yamaha FZ-07 which has a hard seat.. Have to carry a garbage bag to cover it and keep it dry has water absorbant material on it
@@mikeskidmore6754 where do I get the air cushion?
The best Touring Scout is the one I spent 2 years building.....You know the one 😁🤟
That's the one they call "Scout Big Daddy of NEPA"!
I feel like Harley is wasting money on their electric bike. They at least need to offer an electric adjustable windshield.
I'm disappointed they're not introducing a 750cc FTR. They also need a thumper in the 300 - 400 cc range.
The FTR is a little beast. Didn't see anything on the FTR, thought maybe I missed it
Really having a hard time between the new Challenger Dark Horse and waiting for the 2021 CVO bikes from HD. (I believe there will be a Road Glide CVO again) I own a tricked out stage four 2018 Road Glide Special that I like... a lot, 37K miles. I get a new bike every 3 years... WAY TO MUCH VALUE in the Indians.. everyone I know that has one loves their bike...But there's my loyalty and "coolness" factor to contend with...I've owned over 25 HD's and its hard to turn my back. If i were to need to buy today.. It would be a challenger..so I guess time will tell. Great Video btw.
Jay thanks for the great comment. Man 25 HDs that’s one heck of a rap sheet! Mine now is an 07 Fatboy and it’s my keeper even if I do pick up another one down the road (it’s paid off - heck yeah). It’s gonna be good to see how HD answers the Indian lineup. HD is smart to push their release closer to “riding season”. On the flip side, here in TX we ride year round so it could end up playing in Indian’s favor. The plot thickens. Take care man
It looks like the Chieftain classic is gone. At least that's what it looked like to me on the website today. The regular Cheiftain now has the fairing and bags the limited does. Cool with me though, most people didn't like the locomotive fairing . I'm surprised they didn't take it off the Roadmaster completely too
They've also removed any mention of the Cheif but not sure if that was in name only. Thanks for checking it out Johnny
The Only Indian that Interests me is the FTR-1200 .. I think he forgot them..
Polaris/Victory/Indian or whatever they are called. Stage tuning, adaptive headlights, choice of handlebars. linked in Apple/Android phones. At this rate in 10 years they would have caught up with Harley.
I`m happy with my 125 HP, 92 lb ft torque, stock. And 630 lb. wet weight. Fixed fairing, Bags, and top case. Guess what I ride ?
The Scout is bad-ass. My third bike. I don’t tour. I don’t need a big, geezer, bagger monstrosity. Personally, I think that’s what is killing H-D. There are those of us who spend an hour one way and don’t mind the wind hitting us. For. We are not pussies.
The Scout is an old school bike that gives us a Bobber option.
The placement of the "for" is perfect! I rode from San Antonio to Sturgis and back. No windshield, no faring, no cruise control. Ride on
Indian in offering demo rides at the rally this weekend, I may try me a Challenger... And Harley will be there with the demo truck, new Challenger vs Street Glide...
That will be a great challenge, love to see it. The big complex bikes aren't really my bag but it's interesting to see how far they have come.
I have a street glide and it rides like a dream
@ Riding in the Ozarks. I rode HD's and the Indian's. Latest being the Challenger vs Roadglide. No contest. The Challenger's got the quicker motor and adjustable windscreen. The Roadglide is nice .It's your typical Harley power delivery. A Torque monster. But I'd say the Challenger has Goldwing HP (over 100 HP) & throttle response. It spools up faster than a Milwaukee 8 . The power plus motor revs almost like multi cylinder .But with the torque of a twin. The Challenger really is very nice and pretty quick too.
Good video. I’m still leaning toward the challenger
I got to ride with Bearded Bobber last month and his Challenger was bad ass. I'd say go for it.
Dirty Deez ya just need to see if sell my Chief DH privately or trade 🤔.
Any of the head stock welds failing?
Awesome review man. Vintage Darkhorse for me.
Brother I tell you what, that bike is bad to the bone
I'm still concerned about their aluminum teflon coated cylinders. It just screams Chevy Vega.
yeah... and which Polaris lawn & garden center is going to do the repairs?
Hope they last longer then there snowmobile cylinders.. Polaris sleds are piston eaters
The roadmaster has me interested!
It's a cool bike for the right ride.
Harley has released touring mods for „the frickin sportster“ there are saddlebags, windshields, backrests and all kinds of stuff available to turn your „frickin sportster“ into a touringbike. Or you just buy a „frickin sportster“ T1200 which already is a mini-tourer straight out of the gate.
I wouldn't say so but I can respect it
Sportser slow poor handling air cooled Dog .. buy a Scout silly !
@@mikeskidmore6754 couple of years back I would have agreed with you. Then I worked on a carbed Sportys 1200. Did the usual mild warming over to enhance its torque and hp.
Then I rode it. Slow it wasn't. Basic...a tittle rugged; but I got off it with a big grin...they are fun bikes that have zero hassles with parts...on the rare occasions needed. Rebuild able and strong.
I'm picking Indian will release a new model...if it doesn't fly...dump it I when stocks sell= parts for a few years.
Take a look at what is said about Victory parts right now.
Aha the new Polaris 2021 lineup 👍
1 pol + 1 aris and there you go.
Scout looks class
When is a motorcycle no longer a motorcycle? My bike has heated grips. Yep, I use them but are they necessary? I like the retro ones, the dark ones don't do it for me and I think the classic ones could do with a little less chrome. Nice bikes though.
Hey Steve. If I was in a cold weather state I’d consider anything to make the ride better. Chrome vs blacked out - eternal battle
Can you explain how they got 133 hp from the 116 big bore kit. I have the kit in my 2017 Chief and I got 102hp 121 torque. That’s a far cry fro 133. And I brought it to a great dyno tuner not an operator. Do you have a dyno sheet. I’d like to see it.
Sure email me at wtf@gmail.com
Dirty Deez I had my bike dynoed again at Daytona bike week and got 110 hp 132 tq. I’m not busting your chops I would just like to know how you got 133hp? I’m always looking to get more.
Checking out a Challenger very soon. Great video.
Much appreciated Steve. Id be interested to hear what you think of it.
Which one would I buy? Easy. I want a "Chief". Wait a minute. For 2021 there is no "Chief". I thought that Polaris claimed that they would be a good custodian of Indian heritage. I suppose that next they will get rid of the names "Roadmaster", "Chieftain" and "Scout".
Not sure why they ditched Chief. Maybe the PC police came down on them but if that was the case Id think they would have scrapped the Indian name all together. Afterall , Native Americans are not Indians.