Just a theory: I'm a firm believer that secondary psychopathy is changed brain structure through abuse, the brain protecting us, like the brain of someone with cptsd who has been in a long term relationship with someone abusive.
@Sinner1660 i think what they meant by it is someone that is affected may in turn outwardly abuse or direct negative conditions against someone else that is relatively well, and if the nature of the recipient is maleable in just the right way and if the abuse is constant enough, then a new case will occur. But that's just how i intepreted it.
In short: Rather than attempting to figure out how to address the primary alienation permeating society, which celebrates narcissistic and psychopathic behaviors in business, we're creating detailed descriptions of its worsening symptoms. Psychopaths are merely people who have thoroughly adapted to our economic culture.
@@ApolloX_Games If only there was some way of incentivizing communal social structure, instead of wealth hoarding and selfishness. If only people had some kind of innate desire for connectedness and meaning that hadn't been abandoned in favor of making people as productive as possible - all so that a select few people can pursue their own fulfillment. 🤔 Oh well, guess we'll just have to keep doing wars and making disposable garbage while billionaires fight over space.
So well put. And analyzing so-called "psychopathy" has become the industry in its own right. The only reason I clicked on this video is because the title was so bizarre. I was going to make some joke along the lines of "Wake up, babe. The new psychopath has just dropped". But you put into words why the whole discourse of psychopaths and narcissists rubs me the wrong way (although I myself have participated in it in the past).
@@psychobiddyThese videos gaslight people who have developed habitual thinking patterns for their survival due to their experiences into thinking they were born evil. It’s actually a dangerous concept for someone in that position to internalize. But the whole industry is sham in the end, just built to have us hate ourselves even more.
I'm 58. In my experience people are complicated creatures mostly driven by emotion. Most people are generally reasonable but can be driven off that path by jealousy or anger. However, I have met several people who are extremely selfish and devious and a couple of folks who can only be described as out and out evil. These last ones are the ones that your body will respond to straight away. Always listen to what your body is telling you about a person. Those first 5 seconds are the key.
Yeah my entire body and mindstate gets very tense in the presence of an extremely malignant or wicked individual. I’m pretty empathic tho and can generally read most people like a book 😅 gift & a curse
I’m a PTSD survivor and I rarely leave my home. I don’t trust myself to do so. I think my impulsivity created my traumatic experience. I am covered in shame that I feel like everyone can see. The only people in my life are my mom and my boyfriend. I’ve been accused of selfishness, but I am only protecting myself. I can react irrationally when people talk to me, and that’s because I am angry at their perceived disrespect. I lied to everyone my whole life. I remember going a year without lying like it was an accomplishment. I changed schools twelve times by making up stories about being bullied. I used to cast my new classmates as roles in skits and for play. I considered narcissism, but always ruled out psychopathy. How can I be seen as callous when I am afraid? How can people not know my pain when I acknowledge theirs? Diagnosed C-PTSD, OCD, extreme GAD but it’s not like my _psychiatrist_ knows me. Edit: Can neurotypical people compartmentalize empathy for a person? Edit edit: I have been preyed upon and I don’t want to be a predator. What about those of us who want to be better?
The person who shames without giving insight merely repeats the process that got the original commenter into such despair due to the link between shame-inducing behaviors and abusers. Funny how easy it is to forget that on the other side is an actual human-being that has gone through things that are neither included in their comment nor in your lived memory I apologize for butting in; I just found your response crude and unreflective. It neither seeks to integrate a positive and adaptable behavior nor does it offer anything of any constructive value.
However, psychopathy exists as a neutral entity - something that has given civilization its geniuses and something that has also destroyed it - think of politicians with big egos. Psychopathy can develop in “adverse environments” vs those who evolved in “non-classical adverse environment” To the original commenter, so much of everyone’s psychology is a confluence of factors: mixtures of narcissism and psychopathy are included in this. And as the lecturer stated: there is a difference between primary and secondary psychopathy; the vast majority of psychopaths are not violent criminals. This is to say that you are not a stereotypical iteration of psychopathy (hypothetically) but I would also add that it is possible to be “callous” and “afraid” at the same time - and for callousness to evolve from fear as a response - this is the development of the second type of psychopathy that was created to protect yourself against things which hurt you. But to an extent we can all change Hey, remember that you are larger than a label. This is as much of a message to you, op, as it is for me - an also abused person trying to make sense of the blinding light of this video. Ideas like Psychopathy do not need to define us - but in terms of human behavior as a whole, god is it useful lol
@@splashscreen92 I'm am example of normal behavior. The word "good" is subjective here because you clearly don't know what normal is. It's all good though. Seethe simp.
Thank you, Professor, for this clarification. I come from a deeply disfunctional and disturbed childhood and family, and more often than not, I am running out of coping strategies and defense mechnisms precisely because of a lack of understanding. Only in one instance did a psychologist warn me of pathology in my family, and that was at the age of 50. I am now 68 and still searching for ways to deal with this. I have come to believe that it is the ones on the receiving end of these behaviors that need help. Nowhere to turn to, nowhere to run.
39:20 SPOT ON Borderline psychopath Narcissistic psychopath Excellent, Sam, whole heartedly agree with this as a fresh definition in terms of ease of understanding & accuracy, it’s perfect. 43:00 the predator characterization as well, really good stuff Great video, thank you.
Stop using an outdated term for delusional or hallucinatory disorders to make a boogeyman out of maladaptive behavior. People can just be bad people, or bad people who are mentally unwell. They aren’t some overarching evil.
A psychopath, is an outdated term used to characterize people with delusions or hallucinations. It was picked up and massively misused by the public and pop culture until it become a nebulous evil person. Now it’s associated with ASPD or antisocial personality disorder. But they aren’t synonymous. The whole use of the term to make up these boogeymen really bothers me. It’s so clearly a grift to scare people who have been abused The reality of the situation is that people can just be bad people without it being a pathology, things can be maladaptive without being a condition, and people with a condition aren’t necessarily going to be maladaptive or bad people.
no, they are not. if you are, doesn't mean that everyone is. this comment is a subtle indication that you are not, in fact, "fine" with who you are. stop lying to yourself and others and change can occur. it won't as long as you live in a fantasy
Yeah it was really hard to acknowledge you have some pretty bad tendencies even if theyre not on purpose all the time but I still make the effort to not let them steer me to doing awful things. I have embraced some of them at least so people dont take advantage of me so its not completely bad but hell I try to be extremely considerate to the few I care about a lot.
Can you transform into a heterosexual Jeffrey Dahmer on a moment's notice? How do you know you're really a Psycho? If you saw me crying in the rain, squirting blood... would you feel empathy for me if I was wearing a shirt that said PSYCHO on it? 😢
This is the first psychopathy breakdown I’ve seen that captured my experience as a primary psychopath so well, to the degree that even I didn’t notice my lack of deduction of emotions in people I don’t find useful. The cognitive-affective empathy divergence was particularly accurate. The shame elements do make sense as well, I developed a way to gauge how ashamed I should be as a reaction to different actions I take socially in order to survive/thrive in social settings. I have learned to hold back my emotional sadism in order to maintain friendships. I do personally believe that my brain caused my behaviors, as I was raised by loving parents yet had to have multiple conversations with them at age 6 when I realized that I had never felt the same way toward them (I didn’t understand love conceptually then and simply stated that I felt the same about them as any random person on the street, and that I realized their death wouldn’t affect me emotionally). I’ve had to reverse-engineer a lot of behaviors in order to understand why people react in certain ways over the years by testing different stimuli on peers. Regarding “human-ness,” I’m interested if there is any research being conducted in primary psychopaths interacting with AI. The logical processing in current AI models makes them more “relatable” and understandable to me than people generally.
So my question is, how does psychopathy affect you personality? Because my interpretation of personality is that it is kinda a manifestation of one's cognition that is molded primarily by their ego and emotions in accordance with their experiences and environment. Basically I'm wondering if your ego is presumably at a fixed point and the emotions (if any) you experience are blunted then how could you develop a distinguished personality and do you think you buy and large lack a personality?
I know not many will probably see this, but I think it’s important for people to understand when psychologists talk about traits that a certain pathology exhibits, these are core parts of their character, they make up who that person is. A “normal” person is well balanced, they will experience a multitude of different experiences in life that will shape the way that they act and react over time. These are people who got stuck in a certain pattern and never got out, parts of their brain were never able to fully develop, they don’t get to experience the fullness, balance, and the true ebb and flow of what it’s like to be a human.
I dont know what exactly is wrong with me, but this was enlightening and I understood a lot of it. I have been described as having psychopathic tendencies, both of my parents as well, but I never aligned with it because I feel overwhelming empathy for other people, even people I don't know. But a lot of these things I relate to
Worry not psychopaths are a myth. They’re a boogeyman made up from an outdated term used to categorize psychotic disorders delusions and hallucinations. It was misused by the media and public until it become a sorta catch all evil person.
I was diagnosed with BPD by one doctor and told by another that, because I experienced empathy, that diagnosis was faulty. This video was a very different experience for me than I think it is for most people. How distressing it is to take solace in your empathy only to find that it does not provide the shelter you thought it did.
@@samvakninhey I think am just like you said and for a long time I’ve been watching experts give explanations of what a psychopath is but every time although am not an expert it’s like their wrong like they don’t know themselves, that’s why I clicked on your video immediately when I saw “psychopath with the words empathy and shy and new findings” and I won’t lie it’s like this time your getting it
Two psychopaths are like Type 1 and Type 2 diabetes: some of the same results, involving the same organ, but different causes and radically different treatment options.
If u want to observe them in plenty - Reddit, many subreddits, regarding “empath” are FULL of anxious, empath, all really not able to empathise deeply, yet feel all there is, deeply ashamed etc. maybe coincidence
They’re too self centered and only ever focused on how they themselves feel to be truly empathic or capable of any level of empathy. Most of them are just anxious with poor emotional regulation but have poor insight so they convince themselves they’re “feeling everything and everyone around them”. They’re just hyper vigilant and sensitive as a way to protect themselves.
@@Astr0629They have this covered as “dark empaths”. Basically malignant empaths or narcissistic empaths. You feel and take on the emotions of other extremely accurately but you don’t care about them or use it against them.
There really is not much to talk about it if you don't have something that does not make it a social + like with propably most. Have something that makes it as so it hinders life or just want to think of being an empath for it being an "positive explanation" for the whatever problem. I think that's why in forums a lot of anxiety ridden people come together. I don't see why would you be in an empath forum when an empath.. to do what really. Given that it's just Mainly a social +, but also might drain you socially faster. Not That much to talk about to hang in a forum
The brain is a complex system, it wouldn't surprise me thay it gets rewired in certain extreme situations and your secondary personality rises above the primary one
Factor 1 never feels fear but you can tell when one did some very bad stuff the more paranoid they become because they missed out on the abilities and power of the "objects". Also let's keep in mind that theyre still people within theyre cultures and when you have a psychopath that grew up in a more Eastern way - as in corrupted and they are aware, or at least keep the possibility that "all or most can be out to get you" - they don't feel fear but the realization of missing out on information about others stresses them out. If you ever had the "luck" to meet psychopaths across cultures, which I have and I was dangerously close to at least 3 of them, the more Western ones are way more chill. A psychopath growing up in a first world country has gathered information from those around that the world is mostly a safe place, they are more protected and sorrunded by kind people and they kind of know they are the danger. They are way more reliant on the state and authorities and have usually perfected the goodie two shoes persona for them. I saw how one of them acted and they were mild in gaslighting (very rutheless and physically violent at times if met with resistance ) because they assumed a strong sense of justice and empathy in everyone. Take a look at psychopaths from let's say Eastern Europe (still the West but different upbringing ). They are waaay more calculated and usually manipulate their close cirlce and relationships because they know real power resides in communities and focus on that. Not the state system but power of family and groups - which also reflects the values of their upbringing. They also dont underestimate the power of the crowds and close circles so they tend to become more paranoid in time than their Western counterparts. I was writing some other comment about how can we even know if one feels genuine shame or just frustration thats interpreted as such but I had to write about this when you said they are a different kind of human. For this so called different species it is kind of ironic how impactful culture is on them. I'd be nice to have a video about psychopaths and secondary psychopaths across cultures especially when personality disorders by definition are molded by environments and not genes
Also about the, what was it, burning dance or something of the NPD and BPD? From my experience, male NPDs from the Western World are way quicker to rage or reveal their true colors, especially with their anger. They instantly assume most women are maternal or healthy and when they date across cultures, they are surprised when met with female toxic behaviors. Also take a look at the Arab World and I mean the highly educated people. The perfect relationship there is basically the ultimate NPD man fueled by ego and driven by power and the BPD woman constantly luring him in with sex, trying to put "competition" away and overall being dramatic whenever he's absent minded. I met plenty of Eastern European women and it feels like BPD is the norm there. Women are encouraged and even raised to believe they are incomplete without a man (which later become the Favorite Person), their paranoia is fueled by other BPDs - go out and cheat on him he clearly is cheating on you right now although the guy could just play League of Legends - and sex is seen as not part of pleasure but as a tool or weapon/ something the man wants to "win". Nearly every Eastern European woman I have met in the mighty West has a very strong BPD discourse and manipulative tendencies that they might not realise hurt others. I am from there myself and probably have the most self awareness out of the bunch because I see patterns and statistics and I can tell you that The West has a very strict definition of what Narcissism is. A woman like me was raised with the constant feeling that a man might feel provoked / have his emotions accentued by me and that his responses to that as well as his emotional regulation become my responsibility and the abuse that comes after the failure of me meeting his expectations. NPDs in the West raised with different values kind of know they are doing something wrong. They don't care, they are entitled but rationally speaking they know that's not the way to treat someone. That isn't the case with NPD men from Eastern cultures. And unfortunately it goes the same with BPD women as well! Those in the west kind of know it's not healthy to fixate on someone or to get too clingy or straight up chase and fuck them into love out of fear of abandonment. Not the case in Eastern sides. Not only is it encouraged, but praised within the culture. You had sex during no contact ? You must be truly in love with this man! You check which female likes his photos and tell her to go away? Queen, she was uglier than you (women hating women is a thing too I love my Eastern European friends but I still point out at the toxicity). Maybe personality disorders are made up at this point after all love is love and we go about it our own way but hurting others knowingly and taking pleasure is that is probably a bad thing everywhere in the world and if not then it should be!
@@samvaknin yes I 100% agree I was also writing a comment about it that I can develop further again. What I meant with the role of the environment is how they BEHAVE and OPERATE according to it
For example a psychopath from Saudi Arabia will have different strategies than one from let's say France or The Netherlands according to their own society
P.s. I really love watching your channel especially when I have been targeted (and still am) by 2 very dangerous psychopaths that have actively tried to kill me and one of them still does. Do you have any videos on how to fully protect myself? I tried everything possible and fair they see everything as a zero sum game and believe will feel happy after my complete annihilation. I do not want to hurt them back and I've tried hiding and letting go of nearly everything I had that made me who I was but it's still going. I honestly just want to be left alone and do my thing but one of them went to prison and has promised revenge on ironically me :/ I don't want to go at war with them and they made sure I'm weak enough to not make much of my life. Both of them have killed and confessed to it. I slowly lost my sanity because they triangulated very well against me and same for my support system. How do I get back to who I was and my passions and normal life again after they crossed my path and fixated upon my destruction?
2030 Novel Research(update): “Technically, ALL species are on a spectrum of psychopathy. Disastrously, if Mom, Dad, and the Community fails to adjust you to pro-social living (i.e., allowing ‘acceptable’ levels of psychopathy), Mother Nature will raise you, and good luck with that!”
Lol sociology at a community college level will teach you, haha nice yeah in the environment you cant change, your parents, cant change you become what you see its a never ending cycle, well from sociology view, only you can the power to type of deal, lol great take - @jacobshorter7204
Get this right, it occurred to me that I do not feel the emotion of guilt/remorse, nor have I ever, but I feel empathy and everything, its just guilt that's missing. I wondered what it was called. I use the trolly problem to demonstrate it or test it. For instance, I would just leave the lever, and let the train hit them that way I'm not involving myself and can live without guilt regardless
Psychopathy has an interesting history and seems to have evolved slowly but surely over the past few decades. Subtle insights have been added and important studies have been carried out but the subject itself is being kicked around the internet as a scapegoat to confuse and frighten people. The professors work is refreshing in that sense, handling the subject with respect, and providing us with the consensus opinion and an informative context to build up a greater understanding. This level of insight would be useful in the family court/dispute context, educational settings, mediation of all kinds, advocacy/lobbying and the medical community as a whole. I look forward to learning more from this gentleman and others that are mentioned in his talks (links are in the description).
See and it’s comments like this that just confirm the worry I have.. You know psychopath was an old term to categorize people with hallucinations and delusions right? That it got so misused by the public that now it has no diagnostic meaning what so ever?
@VirtualQuarkInterface I don't understand. Having a diagnosis is putting symptoms into words, it's a tool for a therapist to plan treatment I thought. Meaning and interpretation in that sense are part of a subjective and objective collaboration between people.
I know a dude that is clearly a primary psychopath, but his life has always been all over the place. Highly ( shallow ) charismatic, somewhat theatrical, always wants to be the centre of attention. Absolutely no fear in social settings or any other setting. Definitely Narcissistic. But also very prone to addictions, loves to fight ( mostly weaker subjects, or stronger subjects vulnerable in a certain setting ), Impulsive, absolutely no long term goal achievements, because always chasing substances. Stealing, lying, deceit, manipulation. Maybe 1 or more bodies on his name. But no one knows, and he may be even proud on that. Half of his life incarcerated. And the list goes on. What i'm trying to say is, this dude is definitely not successful in life. And while im summing everything up, it looks like he has all the traits of primary as well as secondary psychopathy. Psychiatry is a very interesting field. And the DSM is an interesting book. But im starting to feel that, while it is maybe more likely that there is more overlap of disorders within a certain cluster, A, B or C, that it may be a possibility that a person can have a mix of all the disorders that are currently known in the DSM's. In other words, while the classifications are usually spot on. There are no real boundaries between even the clusters. Its just one big pathological spectrum, and within it are the countless mixes a person can suffer from. The human brain cant be compartilized. Its intertwined, everything is somewhat connected. And so are all the potential psychiatric disorders that can occur within a brain. At least, in my book.
I know someone who a psych toñd me after 3 sessions with her that she didnt fit 100% into any one specific disorder but had traits from a range of different disorders, she also told me in no uncertain terms that she would not change and to basically keep my distance (kinda difficult situation ie relationship and a child from the relationship), is that unusual??
Woahhhhhhh 🤯🤯🤯 Okay, I'm only 4 mins in and already found something mindblowing. Renaming primary psychopathy as Empathy Deficit Disorder is indeed revolutionary!! WOW that's so fascinating, thank you, okay go on...! 😮🔥
Psychopath hasn’t been a diagnostic term for over 50 years now and when it was it referred to people who had delusions or hallucinations. It’s not what you think it is.
I consider myself having psychopathic traits. Thought people are just playing everything for benefit (benefitting from being "good" in society, not doing things that are considered "antisocial" etc). When I read smth on psychopathy, I was internally agreeing, but thinking those are examples of illogical people that break law. And I wouldn't break law just to get diagnosed or smth My empathy is cognitive, I would decide to focus on a person. Anxiety is subtly present, but it's more of a distress (it probably formed from a lack of a permanent available object/parent) First on my healing journey I found shame though. And related it to narcissistic trauma, but comparing to my partner who has it in a more obvious way, it's a different thing. If he feels "guilty" all the time for no reason, I feel no remorse or guilt whatsoever. Only if my actions caused an animal to feel bad.
They must be able to co-exist. F2 was defined as the ability to emphatize with those who are able to get you towards your goal (sex, career, etc.), but no other persons. This trait can be created through C-PTSD. It is possible for autists to learn to read cues. It is further possible, if not common, for autists to experience C-PTSD. Might an autist who experiences C-PTSD shut out people not beneficial to their goal, especially because it takes an additional, logical processing step for some? I think the logical conclusion is yes.
In my research and work with people with ASD, they are one trait away from sociopaths. They don’t have the social seeking that sociopaths do, however. People with ASD have empathy on a deeper level than sociopaths. They experience interactions with others similarly.
@@JulesjabberwockymamaUnfortunately you are grossly uneducated. Autism and Sociopathy have absolutely ZERO in common and you would know this if you actually understood what autism is. You don't, clearly, despite what "qualifications" you apparently have. I'm autistic and I'm not remotely close to resembling a sociopath, again because they are two completely different conditions. If you want to learn more, please do visit the many autistic RUclips channels, specifically of the late diagnosed autistics who explain in micro detail their lived experiences of autism. You will learn a lot and hopefully re-educate yourself. With the will of God so I can read one less comment from people like you.
I have had to deal with 5 different psychopaths in my lifetime, including a cruel stepmother, so I know these monsters at the core level, not just at the intellectual level. With that said, I can testify that Prof Sam Vaknin talks the truth with authority here.
Trigger warning: emotional, heavy yapping, non-native english speaker I am now working on my deep internalization of shame. My kind-of-abusive mother was using it as means to raise me (in her understanding part of which was controlling me too). Because of abuse I developed bpd, basically really bad emotional regulation with all aspects that come with it. I have always judged her and condoned her actions. I developed slight narcissistic tendendencies and very strong cognitive empathy to back my feelings of self importance, meaning: I am better than her because I would not cause so much suffering to other people, I went to therapy a lot too. Some people prove themselves this way in careers, power over people etc. As it turns out I was also ashamed because I was much more similar to her than I had expected. She did not feel anything when I was crying and she was often dismissive, even angry. I kept seeing thorough my life that I too cannot feel anything when other people/animals feel pain or emotional distress immediately. I had to learn how to make myself empathize with others and that I have to put extra effort to understand them, which I often did because I had a feeling I have to. All that time I had thought that I am different than her, it was all an illusion. I am much happier now that I realize it. I know it is not my fault to be this way. Now I put all that effort to understand people because it makes me happy. I am now starting to see relationships with people as something I have to treasure, not something to maintain to show people as a trophy. I apologize for my English and sincerely hope the thought behind it is "gettable", haha.
I am in a somewhat similar situation. Thanks for your insights. I will apply them to my own life. In my case I need to learn to forgive my dad while he is still alive. I still have emotions towards people but something deep in me is suppressing them. I do not want to become my dad, but I feel like I am already there.
Good thing You did bring up the difference to people in autism spectrum. That made us kind of seem only worse. Anyways hopefylly people realize that is not the only difference. Anyways I don't personally know how to deal with psycopaths or what is fair way to treat them. I have Asperger's syndrome diagnosis, and it kind of sucks to born with partial unability to read physical reactions and it might be even dangerous sometimes. I have recently started pushing away people who are admiring people and political parties/movements with strong psychopathic or sadistic qualities, but not everyone that might be empathically impaired, just those who act in bad ways and/or are all about for enabling and rewarding those who do.
@@Hameg1852psychopath is a term used over 50 years ago to categorize people with hallucinations and delusions. Not some non empathy feeling monster. That’s something the media made up. And no ASPD isn’t the same thing.
I have to agree with you in your view deviating from a main stream that there are so called "good and bad ACEs " or " less and more impactful ACEs " and its presence or absence and influence on development of pathology or deviant from normality behaviors, symptoms or personality disorders.I was aware of these concepts when my 2 boys were growing up and tried to compensate for their absent and emotionally unavailable father and husband.My intent was good, yet I caused ACEs for my boys thinking I was doing my best and intelectualised everything and over-compensated by perhaps being too concerned by offering too much love and concern or doing a job of 2 parents in this aspect. One child, who is now 20 years old is okay,friendly and emotionally mature but the 2nd,older one who is 26 years old and more complex or more difficult child turned against me when I finally divorced my husband of 30 years this year.I am battling the dilemma of genetic predisposition and environmental influences.By compensating for an non-ideal environment and an effect of an absent father on my boys thinking I was capable and smart doing that I created ACEs.I know this today (in retrospect) and agree with you Prof ! I tried to give double love,double emotional support, double encouragement,double help while disciplining my boys too.I did it in a healthy balanced way, text book way not in a " blind guilty way". I thought I was not going to change my husband so why not be smart and offer more if he can't. My older son turned against me,called me an abusive narcissistic mother who caused trauma and PTSD for him,never cared for anybody but myself,utterly insulting heart breaking impossible to talk about or fix.Cut off like I never existed. His sense of entitlement,cold hurtful behaviours,blames,resentments,aggressive attacks, almost like childhood amnesia are severe.These traits started to show when he was 23 years old and he was a more difficult child than his brother.I thought we were close and I did a good job.I didn't want to break a family a stayed in an unloving marriage.Both boys encouraged divorce.My husband turned against me and so did my older son as the divorce process started and experience were shocking and ugly. I experienced a narcissistic discard.I believe there is a genetic component and pre-disposition in my older son,inherited from his father and regardless of what I would have done outcome would be the same.Whether I divorced earlier or not my older son would display these tendencies.My behaviour and overcompensation for cold father did not help anything and are ACEs and surely contributed to the outcomes. Younger son understands,has good relationship with mom,dad and brother yet comes from the same environment.I am trying to have good relationship with ex husband and my older son yet I exhausted all my options and efforts and status quo remains.If I reach out,punishment is severe and there is no empathy in both of them.Zero ! I am just a biological mother if I am putting it right and an ex of no value. Discarded ex -supply.So nature or nurture ? Clinical view really makes it better for me,signs should not be ignored and even if you are aware and educated about these troubled persons and concepts it really is complex with no definite cures and answers or manuals how to deal with it. So it all boils down to healthy level of empathy because a lack of it or too much of it is just bad.Is it possible to cultivate it in others through environment or ourselves ? Are we born with it or born without it ? Is my son's brain different to mine or a combination of factors ? I've been puzzled by nature and nurture influences for many years, wasn't ignorant or unaware.Studied Psychology ,applied different approaches to myself and others in full awareness of possible outcomes of ignorance yet, 26 years later received a major smack over my face in complete disbelief.I never imagined in my wildest dreams what was coming my way. All I can say from experience the traits you Sam describe are pretty stable traits,present at birth and quite difficult to modify or treat.Environment strengthens or weakens these complex traits but it never really goes away, are we really born with a clean slate as perfect babies and then we get ruined and we ruin ourselves and others ? So yes encouraging empathy is very important because there is always a chance these affected individuals would want to be kinder to themselves and also to others.We would be able to walk away from them on time in self respect and maybe they would want to get better through therapy if they feel the pain they inflict on others and not only cognitively understand. Your lectures and talks are very valuable and helpful for all knowledge hungry people,for those deviant from normality or the so called normal ones.We are not slaves to our genes,environments,biology or all three. We are not primitive Vikings, so empathy and intellectual stimulation should always be encouraged and that perhaps is an answer to our human problems.It's extremely important to clearly define pathology,educate and research on continuous basis ! Thank you! I appreciate this talk a lot,very nish,very interesting !
This topic is a very interesting one, much needed if not absolutely necessary to be researched further to achieve an accurate,standardized categorization, diagnostics and mainly treatments ! Yes, as it stands now and you are describing above, it isn't an over dramatization on your behalf to label +/- 150 years old knowledge and evolution as no better than any pseudo-science if not properly categorized, agreed upon, standardized, applied etc through a proper scientific methods and tools available to us. Also a tremendous amount of work to pull together all available literature reviews and research related to the topic. Many Master or PhD level students would surely love to get involved to help.Amazing proposal for re-naming outdated disorders based on all we know by now.
I too feel its a genetic component intertwined. My son although he can have much empathy and has beginning and shown immense love he has these traits. However my 2 bothers exhibit these same traits as well. Now my son can get upset and delusional to write me off. But when my brothers treat my father his grandfather in such manner he's very, very upset and wants ho go to war with his uncles. I finally told him I feel he acts the same towards me 😮
I do think it's very important to tell them and keep a little distance because it's hurtful if 'our own blood ' displays narcissistic tendencies and cruelties towards mom of all people.I am still wrapping my head around it but distance, more mind,less heart and silent observation is the way to go as self protection.Once these people drop the camouflage it only gets worse,not better.I tried everything, including professionals and walking away,radical acceptance and non-emotional clinical NO works the best for all parties affected.
@@M-eg8ch That’s what I’m saying. There’s no helping certain ppl so you have to let them fall and keep a distance. There are more psychopaths and narcissists than what’s being recorded. Most ppl don’t go to the psychiatrist (can’t afford it) or get professional help. Those numbers are greater than what was recorded. Sometimes the narc is mom. We can’t forget this factor either. Stopping her children from growing to keep them closer to her (sabotage) is a form of narcissism. That’s not love.
This whole thing reads very very similarly to how my horrifically abusive mother lies to herself and everyone else looking for validation of her victim complex and her false reality, almost exact same script. Notice how you never once actually examine your behavior or treatment towards him in an genuine way? You were TOO good of a parent, gave him TOO much love and kindness and understanding etc. You couldnt have fucked up and made a mistake or hurt him in some way raising him? Made a mistake like every other parent and person does? Look at yourself and take some accountability like an adult and change. Pathetic and disgusting attempt by you to validate your mistreatment in this long drawn out word salad of a comment
Just to shine a little more light on the subject. My husband is an incredibly sweet, kind, caring and emotional person who also murdered 5 people over 20 years ago. He went through severe childhood trauma, abuse, and neglect that changed brain development at a very early age. We've both been through countless therapist. The more studies that are done and the more interviews he goes through on documentaries uncovers what no one wants to believe. Your parents and the environment in which you are raised plays a HUGE part in your overall development. No one is born evil -- they are made. We are also human and deserve healing from our mental illnesses if we so choose. Just like someone having cancer; psychopathy is a disease of the brain.
That was riveting. And absolutely fascinating, thank you for sharing. We desperately need modern study in this area, especially considering the world in which we live and the systems we're all affected by. I'm thinking about a PhD topic and this is in no way my subject of experience but if it were, my goodness, this would be what I'd choose.
🍿 my narcissistic ex just stole my phone and erased all pictures of my 4 year old son and made screenshots of WhatsApp conversations between me and other women… (i am single)😂 When confronted she says she is protecting herself. No remorse…
I have been diagnosed with aspd. Psychopathic deviation mostly factor 1. Low on factor 2. Low on narcissism. High on schizotypical traits. I can have affective empathy if I want. I definitely have the cognitive side. I can have emotions. I have one girlfriend. I don't cheat. I have fine work. I have enormous amounts of patience. I just often don't like having empathy or emotions. And it is often like a broken radio. Very short lived. Especially when I think, feelings go close to nothing. I just have bodily sensations. Of course there are problems in interacting with people and society. I take enormous risks, the cyclic drug use, I will plan and work on others for years so it serves my goals. I like to take my time and do it not from the spotlight. I do understand life is not a zero sum game. So I usually try to let everyone win. I can see positive sides too. I am the guy you want in crisis situations. I don't freeze. And I take often out of the box routes that are profitable. I can simply decide a rule is not very useful. And I don't fear authority figures. I don't fear a lot. Most people see me as kind and generous and in a way I am. I look out for their share too. But sometimes I am not. When I get angry though... 😅But that almost never happens.
What about Sadism? You aren't Sadistic at all? Have you ever been abusive? Are people totally clueless about who you are or what you are? Do you feel like you are wearing a disguise when you're working with others?
@@SkorpXIII I wrote half an essay and now it is gone. Lol. Let's try again. I am experimenting with being more open BTW, maybe the hiding is not that needed. I do that since I have been in therapy. My worldview revolves around the idea I am sort of in war with it. A certain fog around myself always seemed useful. A lot of manipulative techniques I got from books about propaganda, the prince of machiavelli of course, Sun Tzu, the stratagems etc. I am especially interested in asymmetric warfare, which is really applicable in real life. To your questions. I have quite dark humour, especially schadenfreude. But I am not actively seeking it. So yes, there is a bit of sadism. I am also a masochist. Somehow how I perceive pain and pleasure is a bit twisted. That I seek actively. About abuse. Well, my girlfriends usually are also cluster-b types. Things happen but systemic abuse, nah. That being said, the type I fall for have often bpd with npd traits. They have claws and are quicker falling into violence. I did a lot of fighting in my youth of course. On masks. Before I was in therapy, I never heard the term masking. I always called it modi or persona. In a way they exist, they have partly their own memory, their own story and purpose. But of course it is me. There is no disconnection whatsoever. Now I think about it, mask is not a bad name. It is yourself with some make up. But no it is not something I feel. I find it enjoyable, it does cost cognitive space, because you sometimes need to inhibit primary reactions. My favourite, default modus, is a bit clownish, chaotic, clumsy, friendly and tries to be helpful. He is likeable and people want to help him, since he is clumsy and don't want his help too much. Especially effective on women for whatever reason. I have it relative easy regarding building those. I almost like everything, I eat everything and learn fast. I am fine with everything mostly or at least don't mind too much. And the overactive imagination helps building them(schizotypical traits). I do not suffer from the anxiety normally associated with. I am however not very social and do not like the spotlight a lot. I like to read books, draw, program a bit such things. This keeps me out of problems. Further more, yes, people sometimes know that I am a bit off. But, well, you see, people need people like me. I buy the drugs, escort the stupid person out, fix your problems and your thrills, and get the little shit out of the water. I also don't judge people. I do it for the excitement, but does that really matter? Interesting consequence of having schizotypical traits, is that I can have spiritual experiences. I settled for demonolatry. An enjoyable hobby. I have problems too. I cannot stand any form of authority especially when combined with threats. I am naturally an anarchist. This has brought me problems in the past. So I navigate around them. When I have intense emotions, I can't handle it. I need to take action immediately, which cause me the block them again. I can't handle too much enthusiasm from others. I don't know why. And the impulsivity is rather bad, which often lead to drug use, which makes all the traits worse. Psychedelics are okish though.
@@SebastianMichealis most humans, if not all, have masks that they adapt to various situations to maximize their advantage. Why else would anyone dress up and be on their best behavior for job interviews? You sound like a very balanced individual actually. Most “neurotypical” individuals aren’t really “typical” or normal or even alike from one to the next.
@@lindsayjo7389 Well, therapy certainly helped. I didn't want to go, but it was part of the deal to lower my punishment. It proved very interesting and insightful. And my upbringing was not bad. I am just out of luck with the genetic lottery, and also a bit of luck. I don't see it as a curse, but it certainly caused difficulties and made other things easier. You only need to do it and then change is possible. And thanks for the compliment.
Excellent . This discourse reminds me of a WW2 photograph taken sometime in the winter of 1944/45 close to the German border ? It's a small town with very muddy streets with famous Generals Patton , Eisenhower , Omar Bradley and Ryan (?) . Eisenhower is yelling at Omar Bradley with fists clenched . Bradley looks like a condemned man resigned to his execution. Patton is standing behind Eisenhower looking terrified . Ryan is chomping on a cigar looking angrily at Eisenhower . Eisenhower was known for his white hot anger at infrequent moments . Patton was known to be fearless and very aggressive in combat , but not in this moment . He must have been terrified of shame ?
35:23 So in so far as social media game-ifies human relationships- it not only enables type 1 psychopathy, but it also engenders type 2 as well. That’s fucking terrifying.
At last, i can come out in peace. As i meet a lot of the ASPD criterias, but i know i do have empathy (no matter how small). I see the opportunity to take advantage of someone, and i usually weigh if my acts will cause them life long trauma. If yes, I'll find another way that cause less trauma, but still get to my goal. I've argued it on the internet, but people just say "yeah! We hear you... you trying to manipulate us again aren't you"
I mean, manipulation period is wrong, if you find yourself taking advantage of people, no matter how it affects them, you should stop and talk with them directly about what you want
Stop with the crying. When people cry in public, it's a manipulation tactics. If you truly feel down, go cry indoors where no one sees you. Crying in public is for attention, sympathy points and so people give you more leeway in life ti get things later on with the basis of "you know they are going through a hard time, give them a pass" You working extra hard, so your boss/manager sees you and recognise your efforts as a "hard worker" is a manipulation tactic. Most people who do this, then get the promotion then choose to drop their performance by 60%. Why not keep working at a rate you can maintain for life, instead of increasing to a rate you can't maintain long term? Tell your romantic partner if they loved you, they will do "insert random action a partner didn't willingly want to do" you're manipulating someone because they have professed love for you... When they clearly weren't ready to do such said action. Stepping out of your way to help the opposite sex you are attracted to when they are in distress, but will clearly leave the gender you're not interested in when left in the same situation, is a manipulation tactic. Why do you all of a sudden become "nice" if not that you have ulterior motives. I've seen several, if not almost all guys go out of their way to help a lady with a faulty car on the road, but once it's a guy (he will figure it out) This experiment exist all over the Internet, and the results are alarming (unless you believe everyone is ASPD) Your mom telling you: you can't speak to your mother that way, once you start showing the flaws in her logic/argument. Is manipulation. Why are we not sticking to logic, instead she throws the "I'm your mother card" and fiddles at your emotion. BF that never make their inventions clear, but as soon as their friend has issue with their partner, they start shoving their own parts in this "friend" face to console them. That's manipulation. A pretty girl that has no interest in the nerd, but needs their mathematics assignment done... Will go and flirt with this nerd, be nice to him as though he has a chance. Then act like she is clueless in maths. He does all her assignments. That's manipulation. Why not just be honest that she needs help with maths, instead of future faking. This goes both ways: the nerd helping her because he wants her. Why can't we just help each other without ulterior motives and seeking a reward? Why aren't you all shaming these people? Yet, I'm the bad guy because I am transparent about my actions? Why almost everyone does these things, yet you label them "normal" I see the manipulation everyone does and call a spade, a spade. I'm the bad guy. How many of you here dislikes your mom? Or dislike yourself for being selective about who you help? Or friends for these habits? Yet! Someone said: i'm glad I never got to meet you. LMAO! Every guy that gets girls, is manipulative. Every hot girl is manipulative. The people that get none, just suck at manipulation... they do the "i am a nice guy" I'll never hurt you. Then proceeds to traumatise someone's daughter and possibly the entire neighbourhood. Meanwhile, I'm just blunt and say: I'm probably going to break your heart. Then actively control my impulses (now) Wake up! I'm aware, and can be brutally honest. Everyone else just gaslight themselves first of all that they are actually "nice" people, so they can't recognise their actions as "manipulation".
@@jambothejoyful2966 when is the last time you directly spoke with the person of your love interest the moment you saw them, that you liked them? Without doing the let me get to know you. Then liked them regardless of their displayed traits. Where you honest, I like your physically appearnace but let me see if your character suits mine. Ever done this before? This seems like being transparent to me.
@@charlieamy2279 if you knew me personally, and you didn't try to manipulate me in a grand way? you'll enjoy me. Everyone (work, neighbours, lover, family, friends) in my immediate life, thinks highly positive of me... I can't say the same about all my exs (regardless of if they were the villains in the story or I was) I'll be good to you, if you're good in general. No point in creating enemies when they are already enough bad people on the earth.
He’s using misleading terms to scare his audience, psychopath is an outdated way to refer to someone with a psychotic disorder like hallucinations or delusions. Not being monster who doesn’t feel empathy. That’s something from the movies, and he should know that.
NPC (non playable character) or Cluster B I asked my malignant covert narcissist ex gf if they had an internal monologue they said yes I’m not convinced but I pried pretty hard when I found out scholars are acknowledging a lot more people than you think are on auto pilot
They have a internal dialogue but they lack self awareness. Even if they are self aware the amount of dissassociation that happens just makes them plain delusional/forget everything anyways. Hope this helps. 98% of the time not worth arguing with ever.
You inner monologue supremacists aré tiring. Disgusting ignorant generalization. If only you knew plenty of us can have any inner monologue but simply choose not to since its inefficient. For me its Easy to understand why but Im tired of trying to explain this to inner monologue supremacists NPCs who believe thoughts can only exist through language.
Ironically, I realized that I need to consider more people in group 1 automatically and then move/group people into group 2, since I want to be more empathetic.
I would agree that Narcissistic Personality Disorder people are psychopaths, having been raised by one. She married a special forces Army soldier who literally saw hell and war overseas and never blinked. Both were physically and verbally and emotionally abusive. I remember experiencing depersonalization/derealization moments as early as 5 years old, when I would literally look down at my hand and feel like it wasn’t part of my body, or look at my face in the mirror and think it wasn’t real, my body wasn’t me. I grew up with anxiety, depression, disordered eating that eventually became anorexia, self injury, and was diagnosed with CPTSD, borderline personality disorder, (that was by my mother, who is a licensed psychologist, ironically, and claims she is the best in the world, by the way, lol), bipolar disorder which my birth mother has, (I am adopted), and a few genetic autoimmune disorders that probably have nothing to do with the rest. I have often questioned: “am I a sociopath? I swear I just don’t have feelings. I don’t feel joy, sadness, anything. I literally don’t feel.”
My daughter 28, was mistreated/abused by her stepmother at a young age. I got her help,as soon as I understood,she was also a witness to some mild domestic abuse. She is disturbed. It's taken me ages to understand and admit this. She is addicted to men. Men who tell her to milk herself. She can have someone good, but she'll a,innate everyone else around her. She has no friends from childhood or teenage years yet remains a victim despite being a masters degree from the most prestigious universities university. It's cold callous hot and warm. But I see these differences. I'm done. I'm going grey rock or no contact. I'm done. It breaks my heart but her cruelty and cold nature are enough for me
I am interested in the relationship between factor one psychopathy and dismissive avoidant attachment tendencies. That more extreme distance between the individual and others that is created to protect the individual can perhaps alienate them to this point of vicious independence, vying for power as a manner of further distancing the individual from their need for others, and as a side effect of this alienation, finding less inner protest to expressing their sadistic inclinations when they feel they can escape consequence. The grandiose expression of one’s character becomes dependent on their level social awareness of when or if it can be advantageous to them. Any dichotomies developed to describe pathology will ultimately be flawed, like describing a circle, or worse, a blob, by using a polygon.
‘Empathy’ versus ‘compassion’… clinical psychology often speaks - and disputes! - about the former, but rarely speaks of ‘compassion’, which is somewhat related, of course. I would love to hear your views, Professor, on the distinction and relationship between these 2 constructs?
@@llegedly Thanks for responding! My perspective is somewhat different in that I follow the usual trend in psychotherapy... that 'empathy' is the 'understanding' principle, while 'sympathy' is the 'mutual state of feeling' - which is generally deprecated in psychotherapy and relationship skills training, because of the risk of emotional-projection/emotional-entanglement, and the obfuscation of personal boundaries and self-awareness that can go with that. Compassion, to my mind, is entirely different, in that it is a deeper [into human nature] 'spiritual relationship' phenomenon - just as the other person's 'suffering' is a 'state of the human spirit [life-force] rather than a more superficial state of 'emotion'. In the spiritual sense [for example in Buddhism & Taoism], 'Compassion' is a spiritually-painful experience, because it combines a sense of tragedy and a sense of helplessness, as exemplified by the Shaolin wisdom... "Wear not a path for the footsteps of others!" [i.e. support and interact with the other person's life-situation, but don't set up an ego-agenda of trying to fix someone else's current suffering... for example, suffering is a potential source of energy for creativity, learning, self-purification, personal growth... short-circuiting someone's 'legitimate suffering' [a term I gleaned from Jungian psychotherapy I think] by 'fixing their problem' is not necessarily the best way to be helpful - supporting 'self-fixing' being better for self-esteem and not cultivating co-dependency.
@@BLACKPICTUREE Thanks for responding!.. I am with you as far as 'empathy' is concerned, but I see 'compassion' as something at a much deeper level of human engagement - and not wholly positive in that it is a somewhat uncomfortable experience, accompanied by a huge temptation to jump past it... into "making ithe compassion experience go away" by fixing the other person's suffering - as a self-serving way of reducing one's own discomfort! So [unlike the wikipedia emphasis on "motivation to help", I see Compassion as a mutuality of 'present moment' feeling experience... something which can be hugely helpful even before it transmutes into motivated helping/fixing the other entity. For example, a sense of aloneness can greatly amplify 'suffering' and the deep-level transmission of compassion can undercut the recipient's childhood conditioning about being not worthy of being cared about, for example, or conditioning about distrusting the motives of "rescuers". What I am suggesting is that [true] compassion is a 'spiritual quality' that transcends mere Karpman triangle 'reactive rescuing' or any ego-agenda-driven [motivstion] response.
I’m beginning to see how the Cluster B personality types seem to all exhibit these symptoms that are resulting from extreme traumas, all being relative to their feelings of severe powerlessness, more often chronically showing up in their own personal lives, especially during childhood for prolonged periods.
You hitting the point straight that’s what I think as a psychopath myself I guess 🤷♂️ since the experts don’t even get it like,, for me it was like with social anxiety in my life and was depressed for about 2 and a half year then I started saying f it why should I be sad that I having achieved or am broke should money even matter to be the friends am tryna impress why should I do that and if I do impress them then what it’s like I started thinking of life for what it if when something horrible or sad happens it’s not like i don’t have empathy it’s like I get it I understand what just happened it’s like Yh this and this and this happened but what does me being sad or cry do?? And that does not me I don’t want the person to feel better or anything I do have empathy but when I cry now am gonna say it now am definitely pretending course I don’t know why I should cry if someone is dead the person is dead what does me crying do again not like I don’t love the person it’s like I cry them what lol giving you the secret of the brain 🧠 bye ✌️
Hey 👋,, do you also think your one? A psychopath course I also do think am one but everytime I hear a psychologist explain and tell what psychopathy is and I feel like their wrong highly
I think people are just on different levels, some just kick into selfish mode more and some have reactive manipulations kicking in. Many running in no introspection mode at all. Some are damaged more physically and spiritually and either dont want to care or can't. The fact that many know how to straighten up in certain situations flats out points to choosing and not caring of the effects on their victims. So where can one really pinpoint why evil actions take over ? Society in itself especially in modern times has many rewards for those who can operate in the I dont care mode. The instant rewards without accountability is being let slide a lot more now also in many societies. Do they really have an impairment ... physically, spiritually or is it reactive. Why do they on purpose choose victims to kick down when they can choose to act right in front of some ? Anxiety kicking in ? Delusional thought patterns have seemed to kick in or just pure evil ? Why pick a victim to suck dry ?
I think another important reason to research all of this relates to appropriate punishment for crimes committed vs treatment, if any exists or could potentially exist. Is it right for somebody with a mental health disorder (any subtype of psychopathy) to spend their life in prison because of something they were unable to control? something that was either genetic or a result of ACE... whereas someone with bipolar disorder might spend time in a mental hospital as opposed to a prison. just thinking aloud. appreciate all of your content as always.
Hey Sam, with regard to child upbringing (adversity or pampering = abuse) can you provide some commentary / video / resource as to what a healthy parent(s) do when they bring up their children in a healthy manner?
Given that this is basically impossible to self diagnose, and its very unlikely that people who suffer from these conditions will seek treatment for them i do empathise with the people who suffer from these conditions. Im also questioning myself as to whether or not that empathy is reflexive or even conditional in some sense. I deeply hope that i am not a psychopath, but thats bc i have ocd.
Now I wanna call what I have DDD: Dopamine Deficit Disorder aka Deep Dark Dangerous Disorder. My brain tries to squeeze out every bit of dopamine it can from people and situations because it's in so much pain that it lashes out impulsively and says hurtful things to people just to get the validation and instant gratification of feeling like I'm "right" or "superior". But then usually instantly afterwards, I realize that it was stupid to treat people that way because now they will hate me and leave me and I need to maintain their positive opinion of me to bolster my own opinion of myself. Because it's often just naturally so low even though at the same time I feel so superior to everyone and yet I'm aware of how fucked up that is and I just want them to like me so that they won't leave me..... Shit, is that BPD? Do I have BPD? Fuck. I hate being a broken human 😭😭😭 I have often wondered if I have some sort of empathy deficit because it's often hard for me to feel true love or something for people... And yet I care so much about them because I know that's what's right, I feel deeply connected to my own moral compass, and deeply angered when anyone breaks those rules. Maybe I dont really feel true love for people in my heart or whatever (maybe), unless it mirrors something I can relate to in my own life... but I still know what's right and it's a much stronger moral responsibility I feel in life than I think most people feel... Idk, I know I'm twisted and crazy and stuff but at my core I still care deeply about being a good person. Idk. Maybe I just still don't know what love actually is. Humans are complicated as hell, being human is exhausting 😮💨
I wrote you on tiktok and your beautiful reply helped me get through the past week. This week is my most frightening ever. Thank you for your help in a story almost on the news. Im there.. I told. Now I’m going into hiding. Thank you. 😊
Okay. So finally, someone is talking about this. I have grown so tired of this idiotic assertion that all psychopaths lack empathy, emotions, etc. Sorry to sound conceited, but this is long overdue. I have studied this issue for years, and found many examples of psychopaths that did not fit the criteria that is always being iterated about them. I agree with some of the observations below; that the issue at hand here is trauma. While it's only a fictional narrative, I think that the character of Dexter Morgan provides a clue here. In the beginning he seemed to lack emotion/empathy. But he discovered that this was a compensatory measure. He had been traumatized at an early age, and his brain adapted by toning down his emotional and empathetic qualities. Another compensation was Dexter's fixation with violence and bloodshed. Since these were the horrors that he was forced into confrontation with, they were the primary forces he had to invent methods of dealing with. Recall that when he discusses his relationship with the sight of blood, it's divided. He talks about how it can "set his teeth on edge", fill him with a sense of dread. But then, he uses blood to mark his kills. It's his way of ordering the awful trauma at the center of his being.
I’m not sure what I am. I can say I have Cptsd. I have emotions when I want to I can turn them off completely. I’m empathic to a degree but like my emotions. I can turn them off voluntarily. I have had a very traumatic and violent life. However I’ve also had a very extraordinarily full and adventurous eventful life. What do you call a person who has the physical intellectual traits natural gifts and experience that narcissists emulate who can also consciously alter certain typically autonomic anatomical functions and their own psyche. But have also done very violent things been abused but who chooses to be blatantly honest even to self deprecating or weakening one’s social position in order to be honest but who has become bitter and hateful from being called a liar by people who are envious or disrespectful out of their own inadequacy and basically has found themselves in the position where public violence at a large scale has become a temptation. Not a serious consideration just a possibility. I should add that this person has been professionally violent his entire adult life and some of childhood. Essentially an unapologetic and honest person who likes to share their stories with others candidly who has violent on behalf of the state, then as a successful violent criminal with little to no remorse but who tries to help people protect the weak and abused people , actively avoids manipulation even though very well versed in lies wand manipulation but revels in violence against those he considers his enemies or evil. Oh and I utterly no fear of death. People have pulled guns on me and I’ve literally told them and meant it “ shoot me or I’ll take your gun and beat you to death with it. And methodically but slowly walked straight towards them while they were continuing to hold the gun at me. I’ve also jumped on a bomb to save my wife and fought through force of arms for 17 months a one man war against an organized child trafficking cult in Oregon. My problem is even though I have many individuals who call me a liar all the time And in confidence if I say any more and am any more blunt I’ll be diagnosed as a psychopath lol. You understand. Point is I’m not a narcissistic personality I’m not a bully I’m not a sadist. Quite the opposite actually like a hero complex sometimes I think but I am a capital criminal undiagnosed.😎 my point is I do things for the betterment of people not to be a detriment or I don’t punch down I don’t hurt people that don’t deserve it or be you can’t fight back. I can’t even say the same for the police which I actually am an extreme with for their behavior, not mine. But the one characteristic of my entire life is that it’s basically trauma and abuse and authority since day one through. I haven’t had a moment at peace. I barely sleep whether I’m on drugs or not I’m not currently but I have before in the past I hardly ever sleep. I’m an actual genius. engineering all the other stuff. But I do feel like my life isn’t quite real.
new psycho dropped before gta 6
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🎉🎉🎉 ²nd time I genuinely loved this note. The first one was this: new Beethoven dropped before GTA 6// OTHER: new Beatles before GTA6.
🎉🎉🎉 ²nd time I genuinely loved this note. The first one was this: new Beethoven dropped before GTA 6// OTHER: new Beatles before GTA6.
🥲 the title, I felt so seen #welp
Everything will drop before GTA VI.
Just a theory: I'm a firm believer that secondary psychopathy is changed brain structure through abuse, the brain protecting us, like the brain of someone with cptsd who has been in a long term relationship with someone abusive.
Watch the Brain playlist.
I burst into tears when I read this ....... I'm at work.... 😮
Highly possible. Almost like "psychopathy" is a transmissible condition. like vampires with their thralls.
I'm that
@Sinner1660 i think what they meant by it is someone that is affected may in turn outwardly abuse or direct negative conditions against someone else that is relatively well, and if the nature of the recipient is maleable in just the right way and if the abuse is constant enough, then a new case will occur. But that's just how i intepreted it.
In short: Rather than attempting to figure out how to address the primary alienation permeating society, which celebrates narcissistic and psychopathic behaviors in business, we're creating detailed descriptions of its worsening symptoms.
Psychopaths are merely people who have thoroughly adapted to our economic culture.
More like social structure,that determines your economical one.
@@ApolloX_Games If only there was some way of incentivizing communal social structure, instead of wealth hoarding and selfishness. If only people had some kind of innate desire for connectedness and meaning that hadn't been abandoned in favor of making people as productive as possible - all so that a select few people can pursue their own fulfillment. 🤔 Oh well, guess we'll just have to keep doing wars and making disposable garbage while billionaires fight over space.
So well put. And analyzing so-called "psychopathy" has become the industry in its own right. The only reason I clicked on this video is because the title was so bizarre. I was going to make some joke along the lines of "Wake up, babe. The new psychopath has just dropped". But you put into words why the whole discourse of psychopaths and narcissists rubs me the wrong way (although I myself have participated in it in the past).
@@psychobiddyThese videos gaslight people who have developed habitual thinking patterns for their survival due to their experiences into thinking they were born evil. It’s actually a dangerous concept for someone in that position to internalize. But the whole industry is sham in the end, just built to have us hate ourselves even more.
Psuedosceinc rot does not take into account environmental factors
I'm 58. In my experience people are complicated creatures mostly driven by emotion. Most people are generally reasonable but can be driven off that path by jealousy or anger. However, I have met several people who are extremely selfish and devious and a couple of folks who can only be described as out and out evil. These last ones are the ones that your body will respond to straight away. Always listen to what your body is telling you about a person. Those first 5 seconds are the key.
Yeah my entire body and mindstate gets very tense in the presence of an extremely malignant or wicked individual. I’m pretty empathic tho and can generally read most people like a book 😅 gift & a curse
Would you give the same advice to white supremacists?
@@paradise745fair point
It sounds like the secondary phycop is a learned set of responses as a survival instinct from extreme trauma.
Seriously after enduring severe trauma, this could be me too lmao
@@iris916Same lol
Yes!
My trauma has caused me to be overly empathetic though.
Same here. @@iris916
Secondary psychopaths sound like they are traumatized.
We are.
They are. From mind control assault of epic and insidious proportion
Yes exactly 💯
Hehehe life sucks
@@Tylerb4110 shiver me timbers
I’m a PTSD survivor and I rarely leave my home. I don’t trust myself to do so. I think my impulsivity created my traumatic experience. I am covered in shame that I feel like everyone can see.
The only people in my life are my mom and my boyfriend. I’ve been accused of selfishness, but I am only protecting myself. I can react irrationally when people talk to me, and that’s because I am angry at their perceived disrespect.
I lied to everyone my whole life. I remember going a year without lying like it was an accomplishment. I changed schools twelve times by making up stories about being bullied. I used to cast my new classmates as roles in skits and for play.
I considered narcissism, but always ruled out psychopathy. How can I be seen as callous when I am afraid? How can people not know my pain when I acknowledge theirs?
Diagnosed C-PTSD, OCD, extreme GAD but it’s not like my _psychiatrist_ knows me.
Edit: Can neurotypical people compartmentalize empathy for a person?
Edit edit: I have been preyed upon and I don’t want to be a predator. What about those of us who want to be better?
Just a mess of excuses for shitty behavior.
The person who shames without giving insight merely repeats the process that got the original commenter into such despair due to the link between shame-inducing behaviors and abusers.
Funny how easy it is to forget that on the other side is an actual human-being that has gone through things that are neither included in their comment nor in your lived memory
I apologize for butting in; I just found your response crude and unreflective. It neither seeks to integrate a positive and adaptable behavior nor does it offer anything of any constructive value.
@@samfisher9413 and you are just perfect example of good behavior, huh?
However, psychopathy exists as a neutral entity - something that has given civilization its geniuses and something that has also destroyed it - think of politicians with big egos.
Psychopathy can develop in “adverse environments” vs those who evolved in “non-classical adverse environment”
To the original commenter, so much of everyone’s psychology is a confluence of factors: mixtures of narcissism and psychopathy are included in this. And as the lecturer stated: there is a difference between primary and secondary psychopathy; the vast majority of psychopaths are not violent criminals.
This is to say that you are not a stereotypical iteration of psychopathy (hypothetically) but I would also add that it is possible to be “callous” and “afraid” at the same time - and for callousness to evolve from fear as a response - this is the development of the second type of psychopathy that was created to protect yourself against things which hurt you. But to an extent we can all change
Hey, remember that you are larger than a label. This is as much of a message to you, op, as it is for me - an also abused person trying to make sense of the blinding light of this video. Ideas like Psychopathy do not need to define us - but in terms of human behavior as a whole, god is it useful lol
@@splashscreen92 I'm am example of normal behavior. The word "good" is subjective here because you clearly don't know what normal is. It's all good though. Seethe simp.
Thank you, Professor, for this clarification. I come from a deeply disfunctional and disturbed childhood and family, and more often than not, I am running out of coping strategies and defense mechnisms precisely because of a lack of understanding. Only in one instance did a psychologist warn me of pathology in my family, and that was at the age of 50. I am now 68 and still searching for ways to deal with this. I have come to believe that it is the ones on the receiving end of these behaviors that need help. Nowhere to turn to, nowhere to run.
39:20 SPOT ON
Borderline psychopath
Narcissistic psychopath
Excellent, Sam, whole heartedly agree with this as a fresh definition in terms of ease of understanding & accuracy, it’s perfect.
43:00 the predator characterization as well, really good stuff
Great video, thank you.
Stop using an outdated term for delusional or hallucinatory disorders to make a boogeyman out of maladaptive behavior.
People can just be bad people, or bad people who are mentally unwell. They aren’t some overarching evil.
The traditional definition of psychopaths never convinced me. Thank you for this insight!
A psychopath, is an outdated term used to characterize people with delusions or hallucinations. It was picked up and massively misused by the public and pop culture until it become a nebulous evil person. Now it’s associated with ASPD or antisocial personality disorder. But they aren’t synonymous.
The whole use of the term to make up these boogeymen really bothers me. It’s so clearly a grift to scare people who have been abused
The reality of the situation is that people can just be bad people without it being a pathology, things can be maladaptive without being a condition, and people with a condition aren’t necessarily going to be maladaptive or bad people.
I’m fine with who I am. No longer ashamed of my psychopathy. Everyone has a dark side and “normal” people are capable of anything.
You're right that normal people think very highly of themselves. I've seen so-called "normal" people do things way worse than psychopaths.
no, they are not. if you are, doesn't mean that everyone is. this comment is a subtle indication that you are not, in fact, "fine" with who you are. stop lying to yourself and others and change can occur. it won't as long as you live in a fantasy
@@ileanaprofeanu7626but living in fantasy is one of the best places to effect change!
Yeah it was really hard to acknowledge you have some pretty bad tendencies even if theyre not on purpose all the time but I still make the effort to not let them steer me to doing awful things. I have embraced some of them at least so people dont take advantage of me so its not completely bad but hell I try to be extremely considerate to the few I care about a lot.
Can you transform into a heterosexual Jeffrey Dahmer on a moment's notice? How do you know you're really a Psycho?
If you saw me crying in the rain, squirting blood... would you feel empathy for me if I was wearing a shirt that said PSYCHO on it? 😢
Me with my dark sense of humour: ...Dang... Our society gave even psychopaths anxiety...
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Nervous psychopaths before gta 6
Good one xd
Makes sense why the world in such condition we got the psychopaths running the world 😅 they’re so goal oriented
no. self oriented.
few have goals beyond the power to emediately use power.
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This is the first psychopathy breakdown I’ve seen that captured my experience as a primary psychopath so well, to the degree that even I didn’t notice my lack of deduction of emotions in people I don’t find useful. The cognitive-affective empathy divergence was particularly accurate.
The shame elements do make sense as well, I developed a way to gauge how ashamed I should be as a reaction to different actions I take socially in order to survive/thrive in social settings. I have learned to hold back my emotional sadism in order to maintain friendships.
I do personally believe that my brain caused my behaviors, as I was raised by loving parents yet had to have multiple conversations with them at age 6 when I realized that I had never felt the same way toward them (I didn’t understand love conceptually then and simply stated that I felt the same about them as any random person on the street, and that I realized their death wouldn’t affect me emotionally). I’ve had to reverse-engineer a lot of behaviors in order to understand why people react in certain ways over the years by testing different stimuli on peers.
Regarding “human-ness,” I’m interested if there is any research being conducted in primary psychopaths interacting with AI. The logical processing in current AI models makes them more “relatable” and understandable to me than people generally.
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Jeeeez wouldn't care if your folks died even though they loved and raised you? Yeah thats primary asl. has the cia tried recruiting you yet?
@@therecordholdercia part made me giggle
So my question is, how does psychopathy affect you personality? Because my interpretation of personality is that it is kinda a manifestation of one's cognition that is molded primarily by their ego and emotions in accordance with their experiences and environment. Basically I'm wondering if your ego is presumably at a fixed point and the emotions (if any) you experience are blunted then how could you develop a distinguished personality and do you think you buy and large lack a personality?
Buddy you are not a psychopath😩😭😭😭
I know not many will probably see this, but I think it’s important for people to understand when psychologists talk about traits that a certain pathology exhibits, these are core parts of their character, they make up who that person is. A “normal” person is well balanced, they will experience a multitude of different experiences in life that will shape the way that they act and react over time. These are people who got stuck in a certain pattern and never got out, parts of their brain were never able to fully develop, they don’t get to experience the fullness, balance, and the true ebb and flow of what it’s like to be a human.
I dont know what exactly is wrong with me, but this was enlightening and I understood a lot of it. I have been described as having psychopathic tendencies, both of my parents as well, but I never aligned with it because I feel overwhelming empathy for other people, even people I don't know. But a lot of these things I relate to
Worry not psychopaths are a myth. They’re a boogeyman made up from an outdated term used to categorize psychotic disorders delusions and hallucinations. It was misused by the media and public until it become a sorta catch all evil person.
I was diagnosed with BPD by one doctor and told by another that, because I experienced empathy, that diagnosis was faulty.
This video was a very different experience for me than I think it is for most people. How distressing it is to take solace in your empathy only to find that it does not provide the shelter you thought it did.
All people diagnosed with BPD have empathy.
@@samvakninhey I think am just like you said and for a long time I’ve been watching experts give explanations of what a psychopath is but every time although am not an expert it’s like their wrong like they don’t know themselves, that’s why I clicked on your video immediately when I saw “psychopath with the words empathy and shy and new findings” and I won’t lie it’s like this time your getting it
Two psychopaths are like Type 1 and Type 2 diabetes: some of the same results, involving the same organ, but different causes and radically different treatment options.
If u want to observe them in plenty - Reddit, many subreddits, regarding “empath” are FULL of anxious, empath, all really not able to empathise deeply, yet feel all there is, deeply ashamed etc. maybe coincidence
They’re too self centered and only ever focused on how they themselves feel to be truly empathic or capable of any level of empathy. Most of them are just anxious with poor emotional regulation but have poor insight so they convince themselves they’re “feeling everything and everyone around them”. They’re just hyper vigilant and sensitive as a way to protect themselves.
@@Astr0629They have this covered as “dark empaths”. Basically malignant empaths or narcissistic empaths. You feel and take on the emotions of other extremely accurately but you don’t care about them or use it against them.
@pixivwall sometimes I'm like that
There really is not much to talk about it if you don't have something that does not make it a social + like with propably most. Have something that makes it as so it hinders life or just want to think of being an empath for it being an "positive explanation" for the whatever problem. I think that's why in forums a lot of anxiety ridden people come together. I don't see why would you be in an empath forum when an empath.. to do what really. Given that it's just Mainly a social +, but also might drain you socially faster. Not That much to talk about to hang in a forum
We are all well-dressed animals.
Many of us are not even well-dressed.
@@samvaknin Agreed
facts
@@samvaknin funny XD
Much respect to you. Educating people is always valuable in time.
The brain is a complex system, it wouldn't surprise me thay it gets rewired in certain extreme situations and your secondary personality rises above the primary one
So many epiphanies while listening to this. Thanks for putting the work together on it
Factor 1 never feels fear but you can tell when one did some very bad stuff the more paranoid they become because they missed out on the abilities and power of the "objects". Also let's keep in mind that theyre still people within theyre cultures and when you have a psychopath that grew up in a more Eastern way - as in corrupted and they are aware, or at least keep the possibility that "all or most can be out to get you" - they don't feel fear but the realization of missing out on information about others stresses them out. If you ever had the "luck" to meet psychopaths across cultures, which I have and I was dangerously close to at least 3 of them, the more Western ones are way more chill. A psychopath growing up in a first world country has gathered information from those around that the world is mostly a safe place, they are more protected and sorrunded by kind people and they kind of know they are the danger. They are way more reliant on the state and authorities and have usually perfected the goodie two shoes persona for them. I saw how one of them acted and they were mild in gaslighting (very rutheless and physically violent at times if met with resistance ) because they assumed a strong sense of justice and empathy in everyone. Take a look at psychopaths from let's say Eastern Europe (still the West but different upbringing ). They are waaay more calculated and usually manipulate their close cirlce and relationships because they know real power resides in communities and focus on that. Not the state system but power of family and groups - which also reflects the values of their upbringing. They also dont underestimate the power of the crowds and close circles so they tend to become more paranoid in time than their Western counterparts. I was writing some other comment about how can we even know if one feels genuine shame or just frustration thats interpreted as such but I had to write about this when you said they are a different kind of human. For this so called different species it is kind of ironic how impactful culture is on them. I'd be nice to have a video about psychopaths and secondary psychopaths across cultures especially when personality disorders by definition are molded by environments and not genes
Also about the, what was it, burning dance or something of the NPD and BPD? From my experience, male NPDs from the Western World are way quicker to rage or reveal their true colors, especially with their anger. They instantly assume most women are maternal or healthy and when they date across cultures, they are surprised when met with female toxic behaviors. Also take a look at the Arab World and I mean the highly educated people. The perfect relationship there is basically the ultimate NPD man fueled by ego and driven by power and the BPD woman constantly luring him in with sex, trying to put "competition" away and overall being dramatic whenever he's absent minded. I met plenty of Eastern European women and it feels like BPD is the norm there. Women are encouraged and even raised to believe they are incomplete without a man (which later become the Favorite Person), their paranoia is fueled by other BPDs - go out and cheat on him he clearly is cheating on you right now although the guy could just play League of Legends - and sex is seen as not part of pleasure but as a tool or weapon/ something the man wants to "win". Nearly every Eastern European woman I have met in the mighty West has a very strong BPD discourse and manipulative tendencies that they might not realise hurt others. I am from there myself and probably have the most self awareness out of the bunch because I see patterns and statistics and I can tell you that The West has a very strict definition of what Narcissism is. A woman like me was raised with the constant feeling that a man might feel provoked / have his emotions accentued by me and that his responses to that as well as his emotional regulation become my responsibility and the abuse that comes after the failure of me meeting his expectations. NPDs in the West raised with different values kind of know they are doing something wrong. They don't care, they are entitled but rationally speaking they know that's not the way to treat someone. That isn't the case with NPD men from Eastern cultures. And unfortunately it goes the same with BPD women as well! Those in the west kind of know it's not healthy to fixate on someone or to get too clingy or straight up chase and fuck them into love out of fear of abandonment. Not the case in Eastern sides. Not only is it encouraged, but praised within the culture. You had sex during no contact ? You must be truly in love with this man! You check which female likes his photos and tell her to go away? Queen, she was uglier than you (women hating women is a thing too I love my Eastern European friends but I still point out at the toxicity). Maybe personality disorders are made up at this point after all love is love and we go about it our own way but hurting others knowingly and taking pleasure is that is probably a bad thing everywhere in the world and if not then it should be!
Personality disorders involve environments that trigger the expression of genes.
@@samvaknin yes I 100% agree I was also writing a comment about it that I can develop further again. What I meant with the role of the environment is how they BEHAVE and OPERATE according to it
For example a psychopath from Saudi Arabia will have different strategies than one from let's say France or The Netherlands according to their own society
P.s. I really love watching your channel especially when I have been targeted (and still am) by 2 very dangerous psychopaths that have actively tried to kill me and one of them still does. Do you have any videos on how to fully protect myself? I tried everything possible and fair they see everything as a zero sum game and believe will feel happy after my complete annihilation. I do not want to hurt them back and I've tried hiding and letting go of nearly everything I had that made me who I was but it's still going. I honestly just want to be left alone and do my thing but one of them went to prison and has promised revenge on ironically me :/ I don't want to go at war with them and they made sure I'm weak enough to not make much of my life. Both of them have killed and confessed to it. I slowly lost my sanity because they triangulated very well against me and same for my support system. How do I get back to who I was and my passions and normal life again after they crossed my path and fixated upon my destruction?
2030 Novel Research(update): “Technically, ALL species are on a spectrum of psychopathy. Disastrously, if Mom, Dad, and the Community fails to adjust you to pro-social living (i.e., allowing ‘acceptable’ levels of psychopathy), Mother Nature will raise you, and good luck with that!”
Lol sociology at a community college level will teach you, haha nice yeah in the environment you cant change, your parents, cant change you become what you see its a never ending cycle, well from sociology view, only you can the power to type of deal, lol great take - @jacobshorter7204
This is frightening but I’m thrilled to do more research. Thank you for sharing and for what you do.
Get this right, it occurred to me that I do not feel the emotion of guilt/remorse, nor have I ever, but I feel empathy and everything, its just guilt that's missing. I wondered what it was called. I use the trolly problem to demonstrate it or test it. For instance, I would just leave the lever, and let the train hit them that way I'm not involving myself and can live without guilt regardless
Psychopathy has an interesting history and seems to have evolved slowly but surely over the past few decades. Subtle insights have been added and important studies have been carried out but the subject itself is being kicked around the internet as a scapegoat to confuse and frighten people. The professors work is refreshing in that sense, handling the subject with respect, and providing us with the consensus opinion and an informative context to build up a greater understanding. This level of insight would be useful in the family court/dispute context, educational settings, mediation of all kinds, advocacy/lobbying and the medical community as a whole. I look forward to learning more from this gentleman and others that are mentioned in his talks (links are in the description).
@whatap_4_SAM_FAN Thanks for the message. I haven't learned enough to discuss the subject properly but thanks for the offer. Best wishes.
See and it’s comments like this that just confirm the worry I have..
You know psychopath was an old term to categorize people with hallucinations and delusions right? That it got so misused by the public that now it has no diagnostic meaning what so ever?
@VirtualQuarkInterface I don't understand. Having a diagnosis is putting symptoms into words, it's a tool for a therapist to plan treatment I thought. Meaning and interpretation in that sense are part of a subjective and objective collaboration between people.
Your enthusiasm for learning is infectious. Thank you for this presentation, Professor.
Police officers, politicians, teachers, judges, lawyers, doctors, etc.
Sir this make more sense than anything else I've heard about so far
Show of hands as to how many of you felt like they might be psychopaths after watching this video ✋🏼
Cringe
I know a dude that is clearly a primary psychopath, but his life has always been all over the place. Highly ( shallow ) charismatic, somewhat theatrical, always wants to be the centre of attention. Absolutely no fear in social settings or any other setting. Definitely Narcissistic. But also very prone to addictions, loves to fight ( mostly weaker subjects, or stronger subjects vulnerable in a certain setting ), Impulsive, absolutely no long term goal achievements, because always chasing substances. Stealing, lying, deceit, manipulation. Maybe 1 or more bodies on his name. But no one knows, and he may be even proud on that. Half of his life incarcerated. And the list goes on.
What i'm trying to say is, this dude is definitely not successful in life. And while im summing everything up, it looks like he has all the traits of primary as well as secondary psychopathy.
Psychiatry is a very interesting field. And the DSM is an interesting book. But im starting to feel that, while it is maybe more likely that there is more overlap of disorders within a certain cluster, A, B or C, that it may be a possibility that a person can have a mix of all the disorders that are currently known in the DSM's.
In other words, while the classifications are usually spot on. There are no real boundaries between even the clusters. Its just one big pathological spectrum, and within it are the countless mixes a person can suffer from. The human brain cant be compartilized. Its intertwined, everything is somewhat connected. And so are all the potential psychiatric disorders that can occur within a brain.
At least, in my book.
I know someone who a psych toñd me after 3 sessions with her that she didnt fit 100% into any one specific disorder but had traits from a range of different disorders, she also told me in no uncertain terms that she would not change and to basically keep my distance (kinda difficult situation ie relationship and a child from the relationship), is that unusual??
Thank you for this amazing video. Based on my personal experiences, everything clicks even where you differ from the mainstream! It's fascinating!
Woahhhhhhh 🤯🤯🤯 Okay, I'm only 4 mins in and already found something mindblowing. Renaming primary psychopathy as Empathy Deficit Disorder is indeed revolutionary!! WOW that's so fascinating, thank you, okay go on...! 😮🔥
Psychopath hasn’t been a diagnostic term for over 50 years now and when it was it referred to people who had delusions or hallucinations. It’s not what you think it is.
I embrace my shadow it keeps the narcissist at bay yall.
Its my survival war ammo
I consider myself having psychopathic traits. Thought people are just playing everything for benefit (benefitting from being "good" in society, not doing things that are considered "antisocial" etc). When I read smth on psychopathy, I was internally agreeing, but thinking those are examples of illogical people that break law. And I wouldn't break law just to get diagnosed or smth
My empathy is cognitive, I would decide to focus on a person. Anxiety is subtly present, but it's more of a distress (it probably formed from a lack of a permanent available object/parent)
First on my healing journey I found shame though. And related it to narcissistic trauma, but comparing to my partner who has it in a more obvious way, it's a different thing. If he feels "guilty" all the time for no reason, I feel no remorse or guilt whatsoever. Only if my actions caused an animal to feel bad.
This is great, thank you for presenting this information in an easy to digest way 🙏
I have been wondering, if F2 and autism can co occur and how would it present 😁 Thank you for another amazing video and subject Professor
As an autism, I agree
Thanks for posing that question! Been thinking a lot about this as well.
They must be able to co-exist. F2 was defined as the ability to emphatize with those who are able to get you towards your goal (sex, career, etc.), but no other persons. This trait can be created through C-PTSD.
It is possible for autists to learn to read cues. It is further possible, if not common, for autists to experience C-PTSD.
Might an autist who experiences C-PTSD shut out people not beneficial to their goal, especially because it takes an additional, logical processing step for some? I think the logical conclusion is yes.
In my research and work with people with ASD, they are one trait away from sociopaths. They don’t have the social seeking that sociopaths do, however. People with ASD have empathy on a deeper level than sociopaths. They experience interactions with others similarly.
@@JulesjabberwockymamaUnfortunately you are grossly uneducated. Autism and Sociopathy have absolutely ZERO in common and you would know this if you actually understood what autism is. You don't, clearly, despite what "qualifications" you apparently have. I'm autistic and I'm not remotely close to resembling a sociopath, again because they are two completely different conditions. If you want to learn more, please do visit the many autistic RUclips channels, specifically of the late diagnosed autistics who explain in micro detail their lived experiences of autism. You will learn a lot and hopefully re-educate yourself. With the will of God so I can read one less comment from people like you.
I have had to deal with 5 different psychopaths in my lifetime, including a cruel stepmother, so I know these monsters at the core level, not just at the intellectual level. With that said, I can testify that Prof Sam Vaknin talks the truth with authority here.
Sorry, I love you. I didn't mean it. ❤
God I love this video shares a lot if what I thought for years especially hitting on the point of anxiety in narcissists and psycopathy
Trigger warning: emotional, heavy yapping, non-native english speaker
I am now working on my deep internalization of shame. My kind-of-abusive mother was using it as means to raise me (in her understanding part of which was controlling me too). Because of abuse I developed bpd, basically really bad emotional regulation with all aspects that come with it. I have always judged her and condoned her actions. I developed slight narcissistic tendendencies and very strong cognitive empathy to back my feelings of self importance, meaning: I am better than her because I would not cause so much suffering to other people, I went to therapy a lot too. Some people prove themselves this way in careers, power over people etc.
As it turns out I was also ashamed because I was much more similar to her than I had expected. She did not feel anything when I was crying and she was often dismissive, even angry. I kept seeing thorough my life that I too cannot feel anything when other people/animals feel pain or emotional distress immediately. I had to learn how to make myself empathize with others and that I have to put extra effort to understand them, which I often did because I had a feeling I have to. All that time I had thought that I am different than her, it was all an illusion. I am much happier now that I realize it. I know it is not my fault to be this way. Now I put all that effort to understand people because it makes me happy. I am now starting to see relationships with people as something I have to treasure, not something to maintain to show people as a trophy.
I apologize for my English and sincerely hope the thought behind it is "gettable", haha.
I am in a somewhat similar situation. Thanks for your insights. I will apply them to my own life. In my case I need to learn to forgive my dad while he is still alive. I still have emotions towards people but something deep in me is suppressing them. I do not want to become my dad, but I feel like I am already there.
I thought you were critiquing the video at first 😂
Looking forward to this one! Thank you for your work.
Good thing You did bring up the difference to people in autism spectrum. That made us kind of seem only worse. Anyways hopefylly people realize that is not the only difference.
Anyways I don't personally know how to deal with psycopaths or what is fair way to treat them. I have Asperger's syndrome diagnosis, and it kind of sucks to born with partial unability to read physical reactions and it might be even dangerous sometimes. I have recently started pushing away people who are admiring people and political parties/movements with strong psychopathic or sadistic qualities, but not everyone that might be empathically impaired, just those who act in bad ways and/or are all about for enabling and rewarding those who do.
Narcissists vs Psychopaths, the story keeps getting more interesting.
Pshychopaths are way more interesting than just narcissists, last ones are fucking jokes, I feel pity for them.
@@Hameg1852psychopath is a term used over 50 years ago to categorize people with hallucinations and delusions. Not some non empathy feeling monster. That’s something the media made up.
And no ASPD isn’t the same thing.
I have to agree with you in your view deviating from a main stream that there are so called "good and bad ACEs " or " less and more impactful ACEs " and its presence or absence and influence on development of pathology or deviant from normality behaviors, symptoms or personality disorders.I was aware of these concepts when my 2 boys were growing up and tried to compensate for their absent and emotionally unavailable father and husband.My intent was good, yet I caused ACEs for my boys thinking I was doing my best and intelectualised everything and over-compensated by perhaps being too concerned by offering too much love and concern or doing a job of 2 parents in this aspect. One child, who is now 20 years old is okay,friendly and emotionally mature but the 2nd,older one who is 26 years old and more complex or more difficult child turned against me when I finally divorced my husband of 30 years this year.I am battling the dilemma of genetic predisposition and environmental influences.By compensating for an non-ideal environment and an effect of an absent father on my boys thinking I was capable and smart doing that I created ACEs.I know this today (in retrospect) and agree with you Prof ! I tried to give double love,double emotional support, double encouragement,double help while disciplining my boys too.I did it in a healthy balanced way, text book way not in a " blind guilty way". I thought I was not going to change my husband so why not be smart and offer more if he can't. My older son turned against me,called me an abusive narcissistic mother who caused trauma and PTSD for him,never cared for anybody but myself,utterly insulting heart breaking impossible to talk about or fix.Cut off like I never existed. His sense of entitlement,cold hurtful behaviours,blames,resentments,aggressive attacks, almost like childhood amnesia are severe.These traits started to show when he was 23 years old and he was a more difficult child than his brother.I thought we were close and I did a good job.I didn't want to break a family a stayed in an unloving marriage.Both boys encouraged divorce.My husband turned against me and so did my older son as the divorce process started and experience were shocking and ugly. I experienced a narcissistic discard.I believe there is a genetic component and pre-disposition in my older son,inherited from his father and regardless of what I would have done outcome would be the same.Whether I divorced earlier or not my older son would display these tendencies.My behaviour and overcompensation for cold father did not help anything and are ACEs and surely contributed to the outcomes. Younger son understands,has good relationship with mom,dad and brother yet comes from the same environment.I am trying to have good relationship with ex husband and my older son yet I exhausted all my options and efforts and status quo remains.If I reach out,punishment is severe and there is no empathy in both of them.Zero ! I am just a biological mother if I am putting it right and an ex of no value. Discarded ex -supply.So nature or nurture ? Clinical view really makes it better for me,signs should not be ignored and even if you are aware and educated about these troubled persons and concepts it really is complex with no definite cures and answers or manuals how to deal with it. So it all boils down to healthy level of empathy because a lack of it or too much of it is just bad.Is it possible to cultivate it in others through environment or ourselves ? Are we born with it or born without it ? Is my son's brain different to mine or a combination of factors ? I've been puzzled by nature and nurture influences for many years, wasn't ignorant or unaware.Studied Psychology ,applied different approaches to myself and others in full awareness of possible outcomes of ignorance yet, 26 years later received a major smack over my face in complete disbelief.I never imagined in my wildest dreams what was coming my way. All I can say from experience the traits you Sam describe are pretty stable traits,present at birth and quite difficult to modify or treat.Environment strengthens or weakens these complex traits but it never really goes away, are we really born with a clean slate as perfect babies and then we get ruined and we ruin ourselves and others ? So yes encouraging empathy is very important because there is always a chance these affected individuals would want to be kinder to themselves and also to others.We would be able to walk away from them on time in self respect and maybe they would want to get better through therapy if they feel the pain they inflict on others and not only cognitively understand. Your lectures and talks are very valuable and helpful for all knowledge hungry people,for those deviant from normality or the so called normal ones.We are not slaves to our genes,environments,biology or all three. We are not primitive Vikings, so empathy and intellectual stimulation should always be encouraged and that perhaps is an answer to our human problems.It's extremely important to clearly define pathology,educate and research on continuous basis ! Thank you! I appreciate this talk a lot,very nish,very interesting !
This topic is a very interesting one, much needed if not absolutely necessary to be researched further to achieve an accurate,standardized categorization, diagnostics and mainly treatments ! Yes, as it stands now and you are describing above, it isn't an over dramatization on your behalf to label +/- 150 years old knowledge and evolution as no better than any pseudo-science if not properly categorized, agreed upon, standardized, applied etc through a proper scientific methods and tools available to us. Also a tremendous amount of work to pull together all available literature reviews and research related to the topic. Many Master or PhD level students would surely love to get involved to help.Amazing proposal for re-naming outdated disorders based on all we know by now.
I too feel its a genetic component intertwined. My son although he can have much empathy and has beginning and shown immense love he has these traits. However my 2 bothers exhibit these same traits as well. Now my son can get upset and delusional to write me off. But when my brothers treat my father his grandfather in such manner he's very, very upset and wants ho go to war with his uncles. I finally told him I feel he acts the same towards me 😮
I do think it's very important to tell them and keep a little distance because it's hurtful if 'our own blood ' displays narcissistic tendencies and cruelties towards mom of all people.I am still wrapping my head around it but distance, more mind,less heart and silent observation is the way to go as self protection.Once these people drop the camouflage it only gets worse,not better.I tried everything, including professionals and walking away,radical acceptance and non-emotional clinical NO works the best for all parties affected.
@@M-eg8ch That’s what I’m saying. There’s no helping certain ppl so you have to let them fall and keep a distance. There are more psychopaths and narcissists than what’s being recorded. Most ppl don’t go to the psychiatrist (can’t afford it) or get professional help. Those numbers are greater than what was recorded. Sometimes the narc is mom. We can’t forget this factor either. Stopping her children from growing to keep them closer to her (sabotage) is a form of narcissism. That’s not love.
This whole thing reads very very similarly to how my horrifically abusive mother lies to herself and everyone else looking for validation of her victim complex and her false reality, almost exact same script. Notice how you never once actually examine your behavior or treatment towards him in an genuine way? You were TOO good of a parent, gave him TOO much love and kindness and understanding etc. You couldnt have fucked up and made a mistake or hurt him in some way raising him? Made a mistake like every other parent and person does? Look at yourself and take some accountability like an adult and change. Pathetic and disgusting attempt by you to validate your mistreatment in this long drawn out word salad of a comment
Just to shine a little more light on the subject. My husband is an incredibly sweet, kind, caring and emotional person who also murdered 5 people over 20 years ago. He went through severe childhood trauma, abuse, and neglect that changed brain development at a very early age. We've both been through countless therapist. The more studies that are done and the more interviews he goes through on documentaries uncovers what no one wants to believe. Your parents and the environment in which you are raised plays a HUGE part in your overall development. No one is born evil -- they are made. We are also human and deserve healing from our mental illnesses if we so choose. Just like someone having cancer; psychopathy is a disease of the brain.
Constructivism from PsychoSocial Sciences: Depathologization.
Looks like we got our 2 species you mentioned in 2020. Good times.
That was riveting. And absolutely fascinating, thank you for sharing. We desperately need modern study in this area, especially considering the world in which we live and the systems we're all affected by. I'm thinking about a PhD topic and this is in no way my subject of experience but if it were, my goodness, this would be what I'd choose.
Wake up babe new Psychopath dropped
Dexter is back in fashion.
🍿 my narcissistic ex just stole my phone and erased all pictures of my 4 year old son and made screenshots of WhatsApp conversations between me and other women… (i am single)😂
When confronted she says she is protecting herself. No remorse…
I have been diagnosed with aspd. Psychopathic deviation mostly factor 1. Low on factor 2. Low on narcissism. High on schizotypical traits.
I can have affective empathy if I want. I definitely have the cognitive side. I can have emotions. I have one girlfriend. I don't cheat. I have fine work. I have enormous amounts of patience.
I just often don't like having empathy or emotions. And it is often like a broken radio. Very short lived. Especially when I think, feelings go close to nothing. I just have bodily sensations.
Of course there are problems in interacting with people and society. I take enormous risks, the cyclic drug use, I will plan and work on others for years so it serves my goals. I like to take my time and do it not from the spotlight.
I do understand life is not a zero sum game. So I usually try to let everyone win.
I can see positive sides too. I am the guy you want in crisis situations. I don't freeze. And I take often out of the box routes that are profitable. I can simply decide a rule is not very useful. And I don't fear authority figures. I don't fear a lot.
Most people see me as kind and generous and in a way I am. I look out for their share too. But sometimes I am not.
When I get angry though... 😅But that almost never happens.
What about Sadism? You aren't Sadistic at all? Have you ever been abusive? Are people totally clueless about who you are or what you are? Do you feel like you are wearing a disguise when you're working with others?
No anger because of such patience
@@SkorpXIII I wrote half an essay and now it is gone. Lol. Let's try again.
I am experimenting with being more open BTW, maybe the hiding is not that needed. I do that since I have been in therapy.
My worldview revolves around the idea I am sort of in war with it. A certain fog around myself always seemed useful. A lot of manipulative techniques I got from books about propaganda, the prince of machiavelli of course, Sun Tzu, the stratagems etc. I am especially interested in asymmetric warfare, which is really applicable in real life.
To your questions. I have quite dark humour, especially schadenfreude. But I am not actively seeking it. So yes, there is a bit of sadism.
I am also a masochist. Somehow how I perceive pain and pleasure is a bit twisted. That I seek actively.
About abuse. Well, my girlfriends usually are also cluster-b types. Things happen but systemic abuse, nah. That being said, the type I fall for have often bpd with npd traits. They have claws and are quicker falling into violence.
I did a lot of fighting in my youth of course.
On masks. Before I was in therapy, I never heard the term masking. I always called it modi or persona. In a way they exist, they have partly their own memory, their own story and purpose. But of course it is me. There is no disconnection whatsoever.
Now I think about it, mask is not a bad name. It is yourself with some make up. But no it is not something I feel. I find it enjoyable, it does cost cognitive space, because you sometimes need to inhibit primary reactions.
My favourite, default modus, is a bit clownish, chaotic, clumsy, friendly and tries to be helpful. He is likeable and people want to help him, since he is clumsy and don't want his help too much. Especially effective on women for whatever reason.
I have it relative easy regarding building those. I almost like everything, I eat everything and learn fast. I am fine with everything mostly or at least don't mind too much.
And the overactive imagination helps building them(schizotypical traits). I do not suffer from the anxiety normally associated with. I am however not very social and do not like the spotlight a lot. I like to read books, draw, program a bit such things. This keeps me out of problems.
Further more, yes, people sometimes know that I am a bit off.
But, well, you see, people need people like me. I buy the drugs, escort the stupid person out, fix your problems and your thrills, and get the little shit out of the water. I also don't judge people.
I do it for the excitement, but does that really matter?
Interesting consequence of having schizotypical traits, is that I can have spiritual experiences. I settled for demonolatry. An enjoyable hobby.
I have problems too. I cannot stand any form of authority especially when combined with threats. I am naturally an anarchist. This has brought me problems in the past. So I navigate around them.
When I have intense emotions, I can't handle it. I need to take action immediately, which cause me the block them again. I can't handle too much enthusiasm from others. I don't know why. And the impulsivity is rather bad, which often lead to drug use, which makes all the traits worse.
Psychedelics are okish though.
@@SebastianMichealis most humans, if not all, have masks that they adapt to various situations to maximize their advantage. Why else would anyone dress up and be on their best behavior for job interviews? You sound like a very balanced individual actually. Most “neurotypical” individuals aren’t really “typical” or normal or even alike from one to the next.
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Well, therapy certainly helped. I didn't want to go, but it was part of the deal to lower my punishment. It proved very interesting and insightful.
And my upbringing was not bad. I am just out of luck with the genetic lottery, and also a bit of luck. I don't see it as a curse, but it certainly caused difficulties and made other things easier.
You only need to do it and then change is possible.
And thanks for the compliment.
Excellent . This discourse reminds me of a WW2 photograph taken sometime in the winter of 1944/45 close to the German border ? It's a small town with very muddy streets with famous Generals Patton , Eisenhower , Omar Bradley and Ryan (?) . Eisenhower is yelling at Omar Bradley with fists clenched . Bradley looks like a condemned man resigned to his execution. Patton is standing behind Eisenhower looking terrified . Ryan is chomping on a cigar looking angrily at Eisenhower .
Eisenhower was known for his white hot anger at infrequent moments . Patton was known to be fearless and very aggressive in combat , but not in this moment . He must have been terrified of shame ?
35:23 So in so far as social media game-ifies human relationships- it not only enables type 1 psychopathy, but it also engenders type 2 as well.
That’s fucking terrifying.
Exactly! And after the movie crisis it's like they emerged out of the crevices
Psychopath doubling down personal lifelong trauma. Can't catch a break. 😏
At last, i can come out in peace.
As i meet a lot of the ASPD criterias, but i know i do have empathy (no matter how small).
I see the opportunity to take advantage of someone, and i usually weigh if my acts will cause them life long trauma. If yes, I'll find another way that cause less trauma, but still get to my goal.
I've argued it on the internet, but people just say "yeah! We hear you... you trying to manipulate us again aren't you"
I mean, manipulation period is wrong, if you find yourself taking advantage of people, no matter how it affects them, you should stop and talk with them directly about what you want
That’s fucked up. You’ve just stated you’re willing to cause trauma. Manipulation with harm done at all is total bullshit. Im glad I don’t know you.
Stop with the crying.
When people cry in public, it's a manipulation tactics.
If you truly feel down, go cry indoors where no one sees you.
Crying in public is for attention, sympathy points and so people give you more leeway in life ti get things later on with the basis of "you know they are going through a hard time, give them a pass"
You working extra hard, so your boss/manager sees you and recognise your efforts as a "hard worker" is a manipulation tactic.
Most people who do this, then get the promotion then choose to drop their performance by 60%. Why not keep working at a rate you can maintain for life, instead of increasing to a rate you can't maintain long term?
Tell your romantic partner if they loved you, they will do "insert random action a partner didn't willingly want to do" you're manipulating someone because they have professed love for you... When they clearly weren't ready to do such said action.
Stepping out of your way to help the opposite sex you are attracted to when they are in distress, but will clearly leave the gender you're not interested in when left in the same situation, is a manipulation tactic.
Why do you all of a sudden become "nice" if not that you have ulterior motives.
I've seen several, if not almost all guys go out of their way to help a lady with a faulty car on the road, but once it's a guy (he will figure it out)
This experiment exist all over the Internet, and the results are alarming (unless you believe everyone is ASPD)
Your mom telling you: you can't speak to your mother that way, once you start showing the flaws in her logic/argument. Is manipulation. Why are we not sticking to logic, instead she throws the "I'm your mother card" and fiddles at your emotion.
BF that never make their inventions clear, but as soon as their friend has issue with their partner, they start shoving their own parts in this "friend" face to console them. That's manipulation.
A pretty girl that has no interest in the nerd, but needs their mathematics assignment done... Will go and flirt with this nerd, be nice to him as though he has a chance. Then act like she is clueless in maths. He does all her assignments. That's manipulation.
Why not just be honest that she needs help with maths, instead of future faking. This goes both ways: the nerd helping her because he wants her. Why can't we just help each other without ulterior motives and seeking a reward?
Why aren't you all shaming these people?
Yet, I'm the bad guy because I am transparent about my actions?
Why almost everyone does these things, yet you label them "normal"
I see the manipulation everyone does and call a spade, a spade. I'm the bad guy.
How many of you here dislikes your mom?
Or dislike yourself for being selective about who you help?
Or friends for these habits?
Yet! Someone said: i'm glad I never got to meet you.
LMAO!
Every guy that gets girls, is manipulative.
Every hot girl is manipulative.
The people that get none, just suck at manipulation... they do the "i am a nice guy" I'll never hurt you. Then proceeds to traumatise someone's daughter and possibly the entire neighbourhood.
Meanwhile, I'm just blunt and say: I'm probably going to break your heart.
Then actively control my impulses (now)
Wake up!
I'm aware, and can be brutally honest. Everyone else just gaslight themselves first of all that they are actually "nice" people, so they can't recognise their actions as "manipulation".
@@jambothejoyful2966 when is the last time you directly spoke with the person of your love interest the moment you saw them, that you liked them?
Without doing the let me get to know you. Then liked them regardless of their displayed traits.
Where you honest, I like your physically appearnace but let me see if your character suits mine.
Ever done this before?
This seems like being transparent to me.
@@charlieamy2279 if you knew me personally, and you didn't try to manipulate me in a grand way? you'll enjoy me.
Everyone (work, neighbours, lover, family, friends) in my immediate life, thinks highly positive of me... I can't say the same about all my exs (regardless of if they were the villains in the story or I was)
I'll be good to you, if you're good in general. No point in creating enemies when they are already enough bad people on the earth.
I fear I have lost my last excuse...
This hits home.... Wait a min💀
New sub, this is absolutely fascinating
He’s using misleading terms to scare his audience, psychopath is an outdated way to refer to someone with a psychotic disorder like hallucinations or delusions. Not being monster who doesn’t feel empathy. That’s something from the movies, and he should know that.
im def a secondary psychopath and i dont really understand how to live with it
NPC (non playable character) or Cluster B
I asked my malignant covert narcissist ex gf if they had an internal monologue they said yes I’m not convinced but I pried pretty hard when I found out scholars are acknowledging a lot more people than you think are on auto pilot
They have a internal dialogue but they lack self awareness. Even if they are self aware the amount of dissassociation that happens just makes them plain delusional/forget everything anyways. Hope this helps. 98% of the time not worth arguing with ever.
Dissociation, not disassociation.
Please can you elaborate
You inner monologue supremacists aré tiring. Disgusting ignorant generalization. If only you knew plenty of us can have any inner monologue but simply choose not to since its inefficient. For me its Easy to understand why but Im tired of trying to explain this to inner monologue supremacists NPCs who believe thoughts can only exist through language.
@@gamersbilingue8653fuck you xd really nice one.
Ironically, I realized that I need to consider more people in group 1 automatically and then move/group people into group 2, since I want to be more empathetic.
That isn't to say I'm a psychopath. Since, I can delay gratification and work on long-run goals and other areas, as far as I know.
I would agree that Narcissistic Personality Disorder people are psychopaths, having been raised by one. She married a special forces Army soldier who literally saw hell and war overseas and never blinked. Both were physically and verbally and emotionally abusive. I remember experiencing depersonalization/derealization moments as early as 5 years old, when I would literally look down at my hand and feel like it wasn’t part of my body, or look at my face in the mirror and think it wasn’t real, my body wasn’t me. I grew up with anxiety, depression, disordered eating that eventually became anorexia, self injury, and was diagnosed with CPTSD, borderline personality disorder, (that was by my mother, who is a licensed psychologist, ironically, and claims she is the best in the world, by the way, lol), bipolar disorder which my birth mother has, (I am adopted), and a few genetic autoimmune disorders that probably have nothing to do with the rest.
I have often questioned: “am I a sociopath? I swear I just don’t have feelings. I don’t feel joy, sadness, anything. I literally don’t feel.”
this whole thing is fascinating..
Thank you for sharing your knowledge. It is fascinating.
My daughter 28, was mistreated/abused by her stepmother at a young age. I got her help,as soon as I understood,she was also a witness to some mild domestic abuse. She is disturbed. It's taken me ages to understand and admit this. She is addicted to men. Men who tell her to milk herself. She can have someone good, but she'll a,innate everyone else around her. She has no friends from childhood or teenage years yet remains a victim despite being a masters degree from the most prestigious universities university. It's cold callous hot and warm. But I see these differences. I'm done. I'm going grey rock or no contact. I'm done. It breaks my heart but her cruelty and cold nature are enough for me
Its nice to learn new things about yourself
Also brain injuries, especially young
Search the brain playlist.
How young
@@samvaknin ok
@@victoriabryant3078 like 3, enough for flashbulb memories
I am interested in the relationship between factor one psychopathy and dismissive avoidant attachment tendencies.
That more extreme distance between the individual and others that is created to protect the individual can perhaps alienate them to this point of vicious independence, vying for power as a manner of further distancing the individual from their need for others, and as a side effect of this alienation, finding less inner protest to expressing their sadistic inclinations when they feel they can escape consequence. The grandiose expression of one’s character becomes dependent on their level social awareness of when or if it can be advantageous to them. Any dichotomies developed to describe pathology will ultimately be flawed, like describing a circle, or worse, a blob, by using a polygon.
It is very possible for F1 to turn into F2, I can relate.
External trauma caused F1, internal trauma turned it into F2.
‘Empathy’ versus ‘compassion’… clinical psychology often speaks - and disputes! - about the former, but rarely speaks of ‘compassion’, which is somewhat related, of course. I would love to hear your views, Professor, on the distinction and relationship between these 2 constructs?
Search the channel for "empathy".
@@llegedly Thanks for responding! My perspective is somewhat different in that I follow the usual trend in psychotherapy... that 'empathy' is the 'understanding' principle, while 'sympathy' is the 'mutual state of feeling' - which is generally deprecated in psychotherapy and relationship skills training, because of the risk of emotional-projection/emotional-entanglement, and the obfuscation of personal boundaries and self-awareness that can go with that.
Compassion, to my mind, is entirely different, in that it is a deeper [into human nature] 'spiritual relationship' phenomenon - just as the other person's 'suffering' is a 'state of the human spirit [life-force] rather than a more superficial state of 'emotion'.
In the spiritual sense [for example in Buddhism & Taoism], 'Compassion' is a spiritually-painful experience, because it combines a sense of tragedy and a sense of helplessness, as exemplified by the Shaolin wisdom...
"Wear not a path for the footsteps of others!"
[i.e. support and interact with the other person's life-situation, but don't set up an ego-agenda of trying to fix someone else's current suffering... for example, suffering is a potential source of energy for creativity, learning, self-purification, personal growth... short-circuiting someone's 'legitimate suffering' [a term I gleaned from Jungian psychotherapy I think] by 'fixing their problem' is not necessarily the best way to be helpful - supporting 'self-fixing' being better for self-esteem and not cultivating co-dependency.
@@BLACKPICTUREE Thanks for responding!.. I am with you as far as 'empathy' is concerned, but I see 'compassion' as something at a much deeper level of human engagement - and not wholly positive in that it is a somewhat uncomfortable experience, accompanied by a huge temptation to jump past it... into "making ithe compassion experience go away" by fixing the other person's suffering - as a self-serving way of reducing one's own discomfort!
So [unlike the wikipedia emphasis on "motivation to help", I see Compassion as a mutuality of 'present moment' feeling experience... something which can be hugely helpful even before it transmutes into motivated helping/fixing the other entity. For example, a sense of aloneness can greatly amplify 'suffering' and the deep-level transmission of compassion can undercut the recipient's childhood conditioning about being not worthy of being cared about, for example, or conditioning about distrusting the motives of "rescuers".
What I am suggesting is that [true] compassion is a 'spiritual quality' that transcends mere Karpman triangle 'reactive rescuing' or any ego-agenda-driven [motivstion] response.
Yes this new trend is inherently psychopathic very relevant video!
Hello professor, this is amazing. Do you have a book about this? I am interested to learn more.
These are very recent discoveries and trends.
New psychopath DLC!!
No ones safe now!! 😮😢😅
I’m beginning to see how the Cluster B personality types seem to all exhibit these symptoms that are resulting from extreme traumas, all being relative to their feelings of severe powerlessness, more often chronically showing up in their own personal lives, especially during childhood for prolonged periods.
You hitting the point straight that’s what I think as a psychopath myself I guess 🤷♂️ since the experts don’t even get it like,, for me it was like with social anxiety in my life and was depressed for about 2 and a half year then I started saying f it why should I be sad that I having achieved or am broke should money even matter to be the friends am tryna impress why should I do that and if I do impress them then what it’s like I started thinking of life for what it if when something horrible or sad happens it’s not like i don’t have empathy it’s like I get it I understand what just happened it’s like Yh this and this and this happened but what does me being sad or cry do?? And that does not me I don’t want the person to feel better or anything I do have empathy but when I cry now am gonna say it now am definitely pretending course I don’t know why I should cry if someone is dead the person is dead what does me crying do again not like I don’t love the person it’s like I cry them what lol giving you the secret of the brain 🧠 bye ✌️
I find this fascinating cause it seems the spectrum of this is more complex, also it fits into my own experiences with this type of behavior.
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Hey 👋,, do you also think your one? A psychopath course I also do think am one but everytime I hear a psychologist explain and tell what psychopathy is and I feel like their wrong highly
I think people are just on different levels, some just kick into selfish mode more and some have reactive manipulations kicking in.
Many running in no introspection mode at all.
Some are damaged more physically and spiritually and either dont want to care or can't.
The fact that many know how to straighten up in certain situations flats out points to choosing and not caring of the effects on their victims.
So where can one really pinpoint why evil actions take over ?
Society in itself especially in modern times has many rewards for those who can operate in the I dont care mode. The instant rewards without accountability is being let slide a lot more now also in many societies.
Do they really have an impairment ...
physically, spiritually or is it reactive.
Why do they on purpose choose victims to kick down when they can choose to act right in front of some ?
Anxiety kicking in ? Delusional thought patterns have seemed to kick in or just pure evil ?
Why pick a victim to suck dry ?
Because they only need one, and more than one "victim" is too risky for them, they can't be exposed.
I think that describes alot of people. Especially in modern times.
Thank you so much Dear Sam❤
I suspect there might be something wrong with me.
You got a like just for the title. Fascinating idea.
I think another important reason to research all of this relates to appropriate punishment for crimes committed vs treatment, if any exists or could potentially exist. Is it right for somebody with a mental health disorder (any subtype of psychopathy) to spend their life in prison because of something they were unable to control? something that was either genetic or a result of ACE... whereas someone with bipolar disorder might spend time in a mental hospital as opposed to a prison. just thinking aloud. appreciate all of your content as always.
Just take the title of the video: brilliant
I guess I need to update my vernacular and knowledge
Oh great, another title that describes my symptoms.
Great video!
Thank you professor. ❤
Hey Sam, with regard to child upbringing (adversity or pampering = abuse) can you provide some commentary / video / resource as to what a healthy parent(s) do when they bring up their children in a healthy manner?
Search the From Child playlist.
@@samvaknin Thank you!!!
Detachment parenting fertalizes the groundwork for soneones brain developing that way. Unfortunately this has been very popular in the past.
This is VERY interesting
The concept of "good and bad" is a child's understanding of the world.
When adhd from toxic American food ingredients goes untreated...
Monkey king scapegoating again.
Given that this is basically impossible to self diagnose, and its very unlikely that people who suffer from these conditions will seek treatment for them i do empathise with the people who suffer from these conditions. Im also questioning myself as to whether or not that empathy is reflexive or even conditional in some sense. I deeply hope that i am not a psychopath, but thats bc i have ocd.
Now I wanna call what I have DDD: Dopamine Deficit Disorder aka Deep Dark Dangerous Disorder. My brain tries to squeeze out every bit of dopamine it can from people and situations because it's in so much pain that it lashes out impulsively and says hurtful things to people just to get the validation and instant gratification of feeling like I'm "right" or "superior".
But then usually instantly afterwards, I realize that it was stupid to treat people that way because now they will hate me and leave me and I need to maintain their positive opinion of me to bolster my own opinion of myself. Because it's often just naturally so low even though at the same time I feel so superior to everyone and yet I'm aware of how fucked up that is and I just want them to like me so that they won't leave me..... Shit, is that BPD? Do I have BPD? Fuck. I hate being a broken human 😭😭😭
I have often wondered if I have some sort of empathy deficit because it's often hard for me to feel true love or something for people... And yet I care so much about them because I know that's what's right, I feel deeply connected to my own moral compass, and deeply angered when anyone breaks those rules.
Maybe I dont really feel true love for people in my heart or whatever (maybe), unless it mirrors something I can relate to in my own life... but I still know what's right and it's a much stronger moral responsibility I feel in life than I think most people feel... Idk, I know I'm twisted and crazy and stuff but at my core I still care deeply about being a good person. Idk. Maybe I just still don't know what love actually is. Humans are complicated as hell, being human is exhausting 😮💨
I wrote you on tiktok and your beautiful reply helped me get through the past week.
This week is my most frightening ever. Thank you for your help in a story almost on the news. Im there.. I told. Now I’m going into hiding.
Thank you. 😊
Thank you ~
Okay. So finally, someone is talking about this. I have grown so tired of this idiotic assertion that all psychopaths lack empathy, emotions, etc.
Sorry to sound conceited, but this is long overdue. I have studied this issue for years, and found many examples of psychopaths that did not fit the criteria that is always being iterated about them.
I agree with some of the observations below; that the issue at hand here is trauma. While it's only a fictional narrative, I think that the character of Dexter Morgan provides a clue here. In the beginning he seemed to lack emotion/empathy. But he discovered that this was a compensatory measure. He had been traumatized at an early age, and his brain adapted by toning down his emotional and empathetic qualities. Another compensation was Dexter's fixation with violence and bloodshed. Since these were the horrors that he was forced into confrontation with, they were the primary forces he had to invent methods of dealing with.
Recall that when he discusses his relationship with the sight of blood, it's divided. He talks about how it can "set his teeth on edge", fill him with a sense of dread. But then, he uses blood to mark his kills. It's his way of ordering the awful trauma at the center of his being.
I’m not sure what I am. I can say I have Cptsd. I have emotions when I want to I can turn them off completely. I’m empathic to a degree but like my emotions. I can turn them off voluntarily. I have had a very traumatic and violent life. However I’ve also had a very extraordinarily full and adventurous eventful life. What do you call a person who has the physical intellectual traits natural gifts and experience that narcissists emulate who can also consciously alter certain typically autonomic anatomical functions and their own psyche. But have also done very violent things been abused but who chooses to be blatantly honest even to self deprecating or weakening one’s social position in order to be honest but who has become bitter and hateful from being called a liar by people who are envious or disrespectful out of their own inadequacy and basically has found themselves in the position where public violence at a large scale has become a temptation. Not a serious consideration just a possibility. I should add that this person has been professionally violent his entire adult life and some of childhood. Essentially an unapologetic and honest person who likes to share their stories with others candidly who has violent on behalf of the state, then as a successful violent criminal with little to no remorse but who tries to help people protect the weak and abused people , actively avoids manipulation even though very well versed in lies wand manipulation but revels in violence against those he considers his enemies or evil. Oh and I utterly no fear of death. People have pulled guns on me and I’ve literally told them and meant it “ shoot me or I’ll take your gun and beat you to death with it. And methodically but slowly walked straight towards them while they were continuing to hold the gun at me. I’ve also jumped on a bomb to save my wife and fought through force of arms for 17 months a one man war against an organized child trafficking cult in Oregon. My problem is even though I have many individuals who call me a liar all the time And in confidence if I say any more and am any more blunt I’ll be diagnosed as a psychopath lol. You understand. Point is I’m not a narcissistic personality I’m not a bully I’m not a sadist. Quite the opposite actually like a hero complex sometimes I think but I am a capital criminal undiagnosed.😎 my point is I do things for the betterment of people not to be a detriment or I don’t punch down I don’t hurt people that don’t deserve it or be you can’t fight back. I can’t even say the same for the police which I actually am an extreme with for their behavior, not mine. But the one characteristic of my entire life is that it’s basically trauma and abuse and authority since day one through. I haven’t had a moment at peace. I barely sleep whether I’m on drugs or not I’m not currently but I have before in the past I hardly ever sleep. I’m an actual genius. engineering all the other stuff. But I do feel like my life isn’t quite real.