From Workstation to £200 Gaming PC
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2024
- Using an old Lenovo P500 workstation PC as the starting platform for a £200 budget gaming rig
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The old META for budget PC building was remarkably simple - pick up an Optiplex or similar prebuilt PC and perform some cheap upgrades. These days, there’s a better way - the Way of the Workstation! These PCs were built to handle more than 4 cores and 8 threads, can support larger graphics cards, and have tons of room for extra expansion with more drive bays and RAM slots than your typical Optiplex. What’s more, these days, they’re getting pretty cheap - this Lenovo rig set me back just over £200!
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The XBOX Series S Killer PC: • Return of the Console ...
Modern PC Gaming is Rubbish: • Modern PC Gaming Is Ru...
GTX 1650 Super review: • It's (Almost) Over For...
Three Cheap Xeons (inc. E5-1650 v3): • Three CPUs under $11 -...
00:00 Beyond Optiplex
00:39 The Lenovo Thinkstation P500
02:35 Upgrades
04:19 Gaming Benchmarks
04:22 Benchmarks: Doom Eternal
04:48 Benchmarks: Red Dead Redemption 2
05:20 Benchmarks: Horizon Zero Dawn
05:52 Benchmarks: God of War
06:24 Benchmarks: The Witcher 3
07:00 Benchmarks: Elden Ring
07:51 Benchmarks: Overwatch 2
08:20 Benchmarks: Apex Legends
08:40 Benchmarks: GTA V
09:08 Conclusion
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It's crazy how quickly 2nd-4th gen went from "perfect for a used gaming PC" to "barely hanging on".
I mean, we did have a generational upgrade in the x86 consoles, which eventually pushes specs up as AAA devs start designing around the new console hardware as the baseline. I was surprised by how long that took, though. It feels like there was a couple years of lag time before the current-gen x86 consoles actually overtook the last-gen ones.
@@belladonna5012 exactly this. spot on
Bro. These haven't been "perfect for budgets" since 5 years ago lmao.
@@belladonna5012 Scalpers kept buying some of the current gen consoles and TBH i dont really need a gaming console right now. Also with the economy tanking because of covid money is tight for ppl and some of them dont/didnt have a chance to buy the next gens
2nd and 3rd gen went a while ago, but a 4th gen i7 with a mild overclock and do for a very budget PC. Its the AVX2 instruction set that was with 4th gen and later that makes the 2nd and 3rd gen not the best option. Doable but I wouldn't recommend it.
After 4th gen I would miss 6th and 7th gen for barely being better than a overclocked 4th gen and way more expensive. 8th gen where the i5 moved to 6 cores is the next tier (ideally 10th gen where the i5 also got hyperthreading).
I find it very satisfying that both the CPU and GPU are 1650s
The only thing better would be the 7800X3D and 7800XT, but it'll be several years before Iceberg reviews that combo.
@@selohcinR5 5600X with RX 5600XT could be a nice budget build I think!
@@MasoMathiou They're too misbalanced, the 5600x is midrange and the 5600xt is budget tier.
@@tumultoustortellinihow about the 5700X / 5700XT?
@@t0x1cl Also very misbalanced.
If you want a super anal answer: The GPU is in the range of the 6600 (better, but less energy efficient) but costs like 140-160 (aliexpress), and the 5700x is good when paired with the midrange cards, but costs too much relative to the gpu (it costs 204, but your gpu should always have more investment put into it than your cpu, if you use it for gaming).
either reduce your overall cost and get a 12100f/5500 (best for performance), or increase your budget to a 6700xt (not balanced, but slightly better balanced)
Bro, I have a 200£ budget. This is perfect
Damn yes, for real. Me too actually, just have 350$
@@JehanPrasetyo.p😮
Hope you can put something decent together for that price. I'm one of the idiots who bought an rtx 4080 and there's just something about being on lower end specs that I miss. The tweaking aspect of PC gaming is gone because I can just crank everything to ultra and forget about it.
This channel is like an actual tech channel for common pc gamers with realistic budgets
I've always been on the high end of things since I've been on PC, but I've always liked seeing these workstation budget builds. We all know what the best is out there, but I like seeing how far the budget end can really be stretched and the combinations that can come out of them.
I'm a big fan of it because it gets people with less disposable income into the PC gaming community, with all the benefits and openness it offers aside from just the potential for superior hardware. I've been thinking of making my nephew a PC using a thrifted workstation as a base and putting my old RX580 (a real RX580, not the stripped-down AliExpress version) in it, and it's a lot easier to swallow the cost of a gaming PC as a gift for a kid when it's coming in at a sub-$300 price tag.
0:22 so that true. the old optiplex gaming pc build are begin to show their age, now it's the era for old workstation
I got a Z440 with an E5-1650V3 from my dad's work back in 2019 (also 32GB of ram :D)
Loved it so much with my 5700XT upgrade.
when I built my first own proper system I gave it a small makeover (making my own bracket to add a chonky aircooler, added a fan controller in the drive bay, undervolted and pasted the 5700XT)
sister is still having a bloody awesome time with it
Nice, I got a Z640 from my uncles organization and it came with 64GB of RAM! I dropped in my old RX 570 and it's amazing at 1080p. I got a $10 E5-2667 V3 as well.
These videos are so good I can't stop watching them!
Let's go got here within the first hour! Always love watching your videos, criminally underrated in the tech scene
Another Iceberg video to end the night with
that's actually sounds gae
Another IceBerg vid? Hell yes!🔥🔥🔥
love the channel
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I have about ten of these sitting behind me at work, E5-2620 models, at a used IT hardware warehouse. These things are quirky and awesome. A few of them came with Quadro M4000s, reasonably usable-ish GTX 970-ish GPUs; 8 GB VRAM, yo!
Don't get that CH341A programmer, you should look for "ch341a v1.7" instead. You can distinguish it from the one shown on the video by looking at it's PCB color (should be green) and a voltage switch. CH341A shown on the video puts 5V when there should be 3.3V (or less, that's why the one I mentioned has a switch, it ranges from 1.8V to 5V)
The P520 are the best option for workstation setups. Better everything including nvme drives and 900w platinum psu with two 8 pins. Only a little bit more expensive.
Damn your right. Theres also the big socket skylake workstations too like the HP z6 G4 and you can get high clocking 20+ core cpus for them
For p520 Core clocks on w-1235 are 3.7ghz as well so you end up with ryzen 5 2600/3600 level performance.
prices went up though as some other youtubers are talking about it. (toasty bros and others(
Thank you man
Love me some Iceberg Tech in the mornin
Nice video as always. I just have 1 complaint : please put down the volume of the music when you're finished talking about how the PC performs in each game just a bit. It's really frickin' loud IMO.
Other than that, your videos are literally perfect! Thanks for your hard work.
I like this kind of content. The state of most new games released is why I never bothered to upgrade.
My GTX970 still runs older and modern indie games with ease, and those are the ones worth playing.
lol. gpu scheduling helps tho. along with a slew of other dx12/vulkan functions which are part of the driver architecture not entirely dependant on API functionality. modern cards can predict and decompress z-buffer instructions without the need of CPU help, retaning that functionality even in old games, which i also prefer. I have the original Crysis on a Win 7 machine. a gt 1030 30W plays at 720p high all settings at 60 fps. a gtx 1650 does 60+ at 1080p Ultra all settings. With my old R9 280 3GB only slightly outdoing the gt 1030 hitting 1600x900 mixed high/ultra, not great for a 384-memory bus and 200W+. It would really depend on the game I suppose, but I haven't found an old game I can't play with a GT 1030.
Yeah, I'm a game dev, and I'm making sure you can play my games on at least something as old and weak as a GTX 550 or so.
@@TheBcoolGuy run or "run" (walk), just because the game launches doesn't mean its playable. it really depends on the display 480p is ok on a 7 inch screen but 1080p+ gtx 550 with 1/2GB of VRAM not using FSR (old games). come on. ROBLOX struggles on anything less than a 1050 TI at 1080p so I'm not sure what games you develop. 2D scrollers perhaps. I love sonic.
Awesome. Wish more developers had that attitude.@@TheBcoolGuy
you may have just changed the future of budget gaming pcs with this video alone! Immediate follow, you seem to know what you're doing very well
Compare GT 710 2gb DDR5 with HD 630 not 1gb vram version like you did in your previous video
I'd skip V3 CPUs completely for V4s, as performance gains are very noticeable
And GTX 1660/Super/Ti are 10$ more and again, absolutely worth the tiny extra
I'd guess the issue is power consumption, if the PSU doesnt have an 8-pin you cant use it, since most of these old workstations only have a single 6 pin
Haswell V3 if you plan to Turbo Unlock mod the BIOS...
Broadwell V4 otherwise, which also allows upgrade to 2400mhz RAM.
V3 w/ turbo unlock is the budget king and definitely worth considering
@@kenobi639 ive been testing them against eachother and the OC and lower cost is really a powerful combination for budget building. A V3 chip with a decent OC and a 5700xt would be a helluva build for budget gaming.
I still have an HP DL160se G6 and HP DL380p G8, the first has two X5670 and the second two E5 2696v2.
I tried to game on those system paired with a 2060, very good results on both but the lack of AVX2 killed them
I bought a p500 before watching this video. Equipped it with the arc a750. Too bad the gpu fan accessory was optional. So most of those gpus will choke. I just installed an arctic 120mm fan in the front and set it to exhaust while keeping the cpu airflow separate. The performance is just insane.
Good video as awesome ty
Would be interesting to see an old workstation on a budget for 1440p 60fps gaming 👌
Managed to get my hands on quite a large, old workstation from my old job - upgraded from an i5 3rd gen to the i7 3rd gen (crazy I know) however the main upgrade was the installation of an RX480. Runs like a dream, mainly use it for modded Assetto Corsa currently.
Why crazy?
@nathan4746 Just sarcasm cause an upgrade from the i5 3rd gen to i7 3rd gen isn't a massive upgrade so i was making fun of that (still saw an improvement actually though lol)
@@LeWoody_ oh whatever then it is an upgrade that makes alot of sense
I went this route a few times for my own PCs. On some I had to saw off the end of a x8 PCIe slot to shove a GPU in.
I actually bought a Dell T320 and 330 as a bundle for my next PC build, then I stumbled across a 10€ broken PC with a Ryzen 5 3600.
It turned out to be the Mainboard, so I now have a R5 3600 with a beefy cooler and a Vega 64 with Morpheus heatsink (which I got for 30€, because the fan header seems to be fried) on a A320 motherboard, of which you can't see anything anymore.
I'll likely sell one of the Dells and use the other as a Palworld server.
I recently snagged a lenovo p510 with 48gb ddr4, only missing an ssd, for $50. I've been using it with the 1620 v4 and even with a 4 core cpu it plays minecraft and fortnite just fine with my gtx 980ti.
I’m cooking up a 22-core Ivy Bridge Optiplex 3010 conversion.
I have a HP Z230 workstation with a GTX 1060 running for years now. I got the used workstation for free, so I got a quite ok gaming PC for only the cost of the graphics card. Hopefully I get a newer cheap used workstation soon to built something similar around a rtx 3060 or something. The only downside is that it can be a pain in the ass to get the bios to accept the card and to get a workstation with a big enough PSU... at least with the Z230 is was a super annoying two day mission to get the gpu running in that thing
have you tried throttlestop to try and get a bit more out of the cpu? wondering if it would work on a p500. keep up the good content
you should include the finals into your test suite its free on steam
I wonder if trading off the single core speed for more cache would help with some of the workloads and worth paying for a few quids more or not.
Don't know about prices in UK but at least here in Slovakia you can find 1660 super for about the same price of the 1650 super you shown. Even better
The 1650v3 Super! Missed title opportunity. Remember the Threadripper 1920 x GTX 1080 builds? I bet it games better then it did when it was released.
Yes indeed. Maybe I should match up an E5-1680 with a GTX 1050?
Is there anyway to do a revist for the fastest/highest core count Opteron processor? I know it will probably get beat out by a 3000G but it's a fun thought for gaming and production.....
You should've delved into emulation aswell, im certain alot of users having such specification would've been interested in that
weak CPU= hard to do high tier emulation well. PS2 and the like, you could get away with. PS3/Xbox 360 and account? nah. needs a better CPU
You should try Intel Xtreme Utility (XTU) to overclock that CPU.
Could you benchmark CS2 with these sort of builds in future please?
my main pc is 1150 with a 4790k and r9 390x and it plays some games
I wonder if there will any pre-built on AM4 platform for cheap any time soon. Just upgrade it to an x3d chip and you’re golden.
Well, the only ones that come to mind are some Home Office-type prebuilts from people like HP and Acer, and I don't mess with those. I've watched my fair share of Dawid's videos about the Acer Nitro Loser Suckface Edition to know better than to invite a curse upon my house!
How dare you question Dawids madness.
you can fix the OC issue by changing one file name. Im working on a video, but feel free to reach out to me and Ill give you the link. I love x99 and have several with big OC's Cheers fellow nerd
Do a video on a PC with standard ATX parts that can get upgrades.
watchout with the electric bills ⚡💰
i did this years ago with a z400 and a rx480, played all games in ultra 60fps+ , now my cheap laptop is faster in games.... will upgrade as soon theres actual medium gpus at decent prices..... current 60 tier are now 70 super expensive gpus.... and dlls and frame generation are locked in most cards..... and for that i can play on my laptop with frame generation with some hacked files :)
Doing this with a hp z440 and a e5-1650v4 and an rx5700xt :)
I think an rx 580 8gb variant (the models with a single 8-pin connector) would hold up better in certain games and is priced fairly similar to the 1650 super but overall this is a pretty decent build.
5500 XT 8GB is the best of both worlds
"And an rx 6400 that's slowly choking to death"
I feel called out
I built almost that exact pc for a friend in the picture, to be fair it runs cool and quiet although with no upgrade options :(
Dear christ I didn't realize Sandy Bridge was now THAT OLD
Great video! Lenovo P520 with Xeon W are starting to pop up more, although they are a little expensive now still.
Great video.
Shame about the power supply, more pcie connections would have allowed a 6gb or 8gb gpu to be added. The gtx 1070 is only going for a bit more and I'm really impressed with its performance.
I recently went the other way, as rgb sells so I picked up an i7-4790k with a z serirs board. I stuck with 4 cores but will nenheading into the bios shortly to give it a slight overclock.
If your 6-pin connector has 3 yellow cables then you can either buy or DIY a 6-pin to 8-pin adapter which really opens up your GPU options
Personally I'd skip 1070, as it's pretty much the same price as GTX 1660Super/Ti, has the same performance, while having better encoder and mesh shaders.
You lose 2GB of VRAM, sure. But there isn't a case where 8GB is enough while 6 isn't.
And slightly better efficiency
TBH a simple 6 pin to 8 pin adapter would have worked too, and I have one that legit came with an old EVGA GPU (I THINK it was my old 2080 super that it came with but I'm not sure) that I have. If it comes with EVGA products, I wouldn't have at all been weary of using it, but that's just me.
@@GewelRealI happen to have a 1660ti, I will list it with the 1070, but give the buyer the option to swap GPU to have the newer 1660ti but with 2gb less vram.
I don't think the 2gb of vram will make any difference for the settings the rig will play games at.
Dead Space 2 and Mass Effect 😍
1650Super was underappreciated
It's near enough to RX580 performances, that I could skip the RX 570 4GB models.
Heck I'd even be tempted to skip the 8GB versions.
But... that was at new prices.
Now-a-days, I just go for the cheapest of the three.
0:20 i feel personally attacked
I would have liked to have seen the usual test suite even if they were just numbers on a chart. I know the components have been featured before, I don't recall them being in a system together before this one however. This build is a bit more of a realistic pairing than in other videos.
I bought a retired business desktop with an i5-8400 (good for when Microsoft inevitably ends support for Windows 10), 16 GB of RAM, 256 GB Samsung NVME SSD for $60 USD. Slapped a RX 6600 (bought on offer up for $120) and a cheap 1 TB data SSD and ended up with a near $200 gaming PC that runs Cyberpunk 3440X1440 at 60 FPS no problem.
Hi fellow i5-8400 enjoyer, how does the cpu handle the gpu? I have a 1650 paired with mine and wonder what could be a sensible upgrade
Nice video. What Xeon is the equivalent of an i7 8700k?
Tough one to answer. Technically, if you overclocked an E5-1660 v3 you would probably have a CPU that would score similarly in multithreaded tasks, and that's probably the case for some 12+ core V3 and V4 models even without overclocking, but that won't translate into gaming performance.
Thinkstations are cool
what do you think of vega gpus dropping in the sub £100 range? you should look on the used gpu market for bargains since that's pretty much 1080 performance for no more than the cost of a 1650
Funny you should mention it, I'm looking for a 56 for the £200 "bespoke" build I mentioned at the end of the video. I have an absolute max GPU allowance of £85, and the auctions I've watched keep exceeding that, so I'm probably going to have to resort to a lesser option.
Unless you have the PSU restrictions that I had in this video, Vega's one of the best choices. I've covered the 64 a bunch recently, most recently in the "Buying Used in 2024" video. The only downside for the future is that you might need modded drivers, and not everyone will be comfortable with that.
@@IcebergTech i recently picked a surprisingly pristine sapphire model for 75. i believe youll find one in no time
Gtx1660ti or super is a good option.
big big question here, how were the temps on this one? and how many total heat pipes were on the cooler?
you can see the temps at top-left corner of the screen, it shows FPS, temps and much more
Its better to buy a Lenovo P510 or P520 as it supports tpm2 (bios update)
Try E5-2666 v3 or E5-2667 v3
Which cou x99 motherboard
RX 570 >>> 1650 super
Love the E5 1650 V3 but for some of us buying used workstations with it can be outright more expensive then just buying a 6 core cpu like the R5 3600/b450 mobo and 16GB of ddr4 3200.
Great video. Sometimes brute force is all you need. Still have my Sandy Bridge based T3600 with an E5-2665 and 64 GBs of RAM in quad channel. I have both an i5 6500 and an i5 8400 based systems and no amount of IPC or modern instruction sets will save the i5s.
What would be better for a old i5 6th gen??
Rx 6400 vs gtx 1650
I'm limited by psu which is only 200W and the case is proprietary so I cant fit a full size gpu in it.
1650 has 16 lanes of pcie 3 where the 6400 has 4 lanes of pcie 4 so I would 100% get the 1650
Get an e3 v5 xeon like the e3 1245 v5 to replace the i5 also
What's the name of the Dawid's fancy optiplex video?
The video I grabbed from was this one: ruclips.net/video/l6xA6F_moUI/видео.htmlsi=lCmAdzTPqUdGTk2U
which is a followup to this one:
ruclips.net/video/XvOSOYAUXDg/видео.htmlsi=bfiywZ2ASC1o9n1p
ty :)@@IcebergTech
Dream bigger??? Inception reference 🤔
Nobody:
Morgan Freeman:
It was at that moment....
He knew....
Prices just doubled on eBay.
I've got a p310 with a e3-1275 v5 (significant upgrade) and a GTX 1080, all of which i got for 210$ shipped. please, do yourself a favor and don't buy any Nvidia gpu ending in 50, it's just a world of pain
X5660 or i5 4670k for 768p gaming 16gb ram and gtx 1060 6gb
x5660? Why not grab an x5680 or x5675? Those are barely any more expensive.
@@Looser_23 high prix duble
You both are completely unintelligible lol.
the prace is 2 time higher then x5660@@BonusCrook
Did you kill Jack?
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If only they were that cheap in latam
In 200€ in got a i5 4440 and a rx 580 8gb 😅
Good deal i would say
where do you live?
@@michubern1444 Roumania
I have this workstation with a E5-2667v3 processor and a 6700xt, it does starfield at 60 at 1440p, would love to see how far you can push the station, what's the highest cpu, ram and gpu you could pop in there with the power supply and maintaining stability? Cheers for the video
these optiplex gaming rig would have a more option soon with the 6gb RTX 3050. yes it is not a best value card, but for these builds it's give a new life
3050 6GB? what a pile of garbage. Nobody should buy that thing.
Its going to be alot slower than an actual 3050 and with less vram.
@@BonusCrook but also less power, as bad as it is, it's still the best card that we currently have without needing any external power pin.
@@KanakaBhaswaraPrabhata ok and?
It still sucks balls
And now Test this PC in several Games that support FSR3 Frame Generation Mod.
Think this mod can be a revive for modern Titels like Last of Us or Cyberpunk.
Would be very interesting 😍
*Love the workstation builds, quite hard to flip though, great for people on an ultra budget or just want to get into some basic gaming on a desktop*
You have some interesting videos. I subscribed to your channel
@@NexusFantismo Thanks appreciate it!
"The 1650 pc"
so you killed jack
2:46 it says 4-core... (checks specs of E5 1650 v3) whoa, you mean the Amazon listing was WRONG? Say it ain't so! :/
Between Amazon's listings being (usually) wrong, and their search engine being nearly useless, returning everything but what you searched on, they're kind of a joke to me. A bad joke where your shopping experience is the punchline. But occasionally if you know HOW to look, you can find some good deals.
I already asked this, but I really need your help. I’ve been hearing a lot about the gt 210 and gt 710 and FX 5200 which one should I buy? I heard all of these cards are some of the best on the market being able to run Alan Awake 2 with all the ray tracing on at around 180-200fps at ultra in 6k, and it’s able to run Crisis. Which one should I buy?
Like the video please
you compared 1 gb model of gt 710 compare 2 gb model with hd 630
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honestly, i don't think this is good enough for a "console killer" title. we probably have to wait for zen 5 and rtx 50 series to be released, before a true console killer of this generation will be born
I should unsubscribe this channel someday.
You always made me want to build another PC while I don't need it haha
Don't forget to click Unsubscribe twice, otherwise it doesn't work 😉
Bro just do an AMD pc build and thank me later 😂
Are you a fanboy or something?
Boycott tHe lAsT oF uS and hOrIzOn ZeRo dAwN
The rx7600xt's gonna save budget builds
?? LOL no the much faster and better RX 6700 XT will, idk why you say 7600 XT is saving budget builders when its as worse as 4060 Ti 16GB
The worst part of this video is using the Rise of Skywalker clip rather than Revenge of the Sith for your intro. Shame!
I was originally going to use ROTS. Guess I should have stuck with my instincts!
How dare you not start your benchmarks off with Fortnite?! How dare you!? Who do you think you are!?
Let's be honest:
We all know why you *paired* the 1650 v3 with a 1650
I have that palit 1650 super in an emulation station build handles things very well ❤️🩹