As long time Linux user I can't deny the issues you're experiencing. In your case they're a result of xorg being outdated and Nvidia's longstanding refusal to make Wayland work and having no open source driver. Luckily those are changing. Wayland finally fixed the the outdated compositing issues, Nvidia finally turned around on supporting wayland and even started an open source driver. Now currently none of these changes are fully completed yet but it's improving rapidly and I hope that within a year the Linux desktop will be as nice too nvidia users too. Currently AMD works pretty much perfect with even multiple refresh and VRR working. You'll probably want to stay on the latest releases of distros at least to have access to the newest developments.
@@Livakivi You can actually run a Wayland session of Gnome with Nvidia drivers and have it work relatively well. Fedora 36 does this by default. I'm running it right now and it's super smooth, the only issue I've had it that the Spotify app flickers on occasion if I'm not focused, but that doesn't really hinder me at all. Right now Gnome seems to be the only desktop environment that can run Wayland on Nvidia relatively well, KDE's implementation is still iffy, even on AMD/Intel.
I just ditched my NVIDIA card for AMD. And games just work perfectly, out of the box, regardless of Wayland or Xorg. Also, for typing non-English language, I use ibus.
Proton "lag spikes" are pretty normal for first time runs because it's building a shader cache. Those disappear with time because it preloads shaders on successive runs. EDIT: This commend is old and no longer applies for most games and GPU drivers.
@@joechristo2 DX12 does it too, that's why you get shader compilation stutter in a lot of games. Proton converts the DX draw calls to Vulkan draw calls, which has another system using SPIR-V instead of compiled HLSL or something like that. There's simply an extra step, but it only needs to be done once per shader really. Once the shader has been compiled and has been cached (again, not unique to Vulkan. Proton just has another step from a DX game) these games are pretty fast and sometimes faster than on Windows. The stutter in that 2D game I wouldn't attribute to shader compilation though. Sooner to networking or file I/O.
Switched to linux 1-2 years ago.. well.. it took me smth like 5 attempts to get it working but after that everything ran smooth as butter for me... Every issue i encountered while using linux has been solved so far and personally I dont feel like going back to windows ever again
@@ekksoku Switched a year ago. Everything runs fine, untill some bug comes along. These go all the way from graphical driver errors all the way to kernel issues. This has happened on so many occasions that a more linux experienced friend has labeled my desktop as 'haunted' :P
I started using Linux during COVID (probably mid 2020) when a windows update almost made me fail a college exam when a system update promptly started and locked me out of the PC. Haven’t switched back since, I’m loving Linux more and more as time goes on lol. Long story short for the Windows update thing, just as I was pressing enter to submit my answers on Zoom, the update prompt appeared, stole the focus from Zoom and was the one to register the enter press 🙃. Cue 5 seconds later to a completely locked PC
@@carleynorthcoast1915 that has never happened to me. I used to see how but now I think windows wont restart unless you do it yourself but the problem with that is people don't restart their machines. then different distros then on top of that now if I want to use linux i have to worry about x11 or wayland its like too much i would deal with random reboots and do my due diligence in making sure your computer is UpToDate before a major exam rofl, than run a gimped experience because i have a computer with Nvidia Graphics and well driver support from nvidia is crap.
I had something annoying similar happen which made me switch to Linux. I am in welding school for a federal contractor (already been to school for a metallurgy degree, this was offered to me when I was hired and of course I said yes for the certifications). I brought my monster gaming PC and my Linux PC (as I have been experimenting with Proton and my Steam account), updated to Win 11, had issues with some games, went back to Win 10, I didn't realize their cloud storage was now turned on by default...I ran Win 10 for about 7 years and NEVER dealt with the cloud (I have 39tb storage in total between 2 computers and external hard drive). Needless to say, I had a text file where I had spent about 2 hours organizing assignments (as we had about 25 to 30 to finish with tests), PDF files from canvas, all assignments were organized (spent the time to see what I had done and what needed to be done, in alphabetical order, was very tedious). The folder was GONE...I panicked (but had backup in my email of the text files, but not the one I spent all the time on). It was stored in one drive, and the text file was DELETED. I was nearly "out of storage"...BS. Uninstalled that nonsense, disabled it, but I know how this goes. It is probably still running somewhere in the background. I spent a weekend removing all photos, music, records, emails, all put in LInux MInt for safe keeping. Now daily driving MInt, have a custom Kernel, games work, Fruity Loops installed, I am LOVING Linux and learning the command line. Kiss my ass Microsoft...I don't trust them to just leave my computer the hell alone, but Tux will leave my computer alone.
No, you are using the wrong distro. Mine is the one and only true one. We are the true followers of Lord Torvalds. Vegan meat tastes better. I love your comment and your channel.
10:03 Literally no one believed me when I said, when using X11 desktop sessions, XFCE/GNOME/Cinnamon all LAGGED while KDE despite being more complex ran the least worst. I can't thank you enough for pointing this out.
I've been using Linux since 1995 and have identified several shortcomings. I didn't make a video pointing those out, I fired up my development system and had a wonderfully good time making changes to the free and open source code. The development community loves a challenge when they feel appreciated. Too many times my efforts were not received with admiration and appreciation but with dismay and even disrespect for not solving someone else's problem in a timely matter if at all. I'm willing to help those that help themselves and I remind the others that we creators are happy if you are happy using another operating system. Welcome to Linux!
It is mostly NVIDIA drivers which causes issues with linux, the often need some thinkering. Most opensource software is written with Mesa drivers in mind which is what all opensource graphics drivers use. NVIDIA howerever use their own graphical stack which can be problematic. NVIDIA is moving towards opensource drivers which might resolve most of these issues in the future. I appreciate the honesty in this video:) I am using linux for more than 15 years on the desktop and i am the first to admit that the linux community is way to defensive and has a hard time to deal with criticism.
have nvidia 2070s and i literally had to use a single command to install drivers and everything worked perfectly :) I was pleasantly suprised. Running on Ubuntu 22.04
I have an AMD card and despite asking several support servers nobody was able to help me fix my 240hz monitor only working when i disable my secondary 60hz monitor
There's Nvidia proprietary drivers (closed source) which are only released by Nvidia and there are open source drivers. Closed source is mostly better performance BUT if you have an issue, don't cry to the open source community - they cannot fix this, only Nvidia can. And that's why Nvidia is trash.
9:02 - those 'lag spikes' are a proton thing. They're processing/caching shaders. It's more prevalent when you first install and run the game, but the more you play, the less frequent they get. Linux is definitely a better experience over Windows on older hardware, ESPECIALLY with spinning disk drives. (Windows likes to use 100% disk, 100% of the time, for absolutely no reason, even on fresh installs). For someone like myself on a 10 year old laptop with ancient Nvidia GPU and spinning HDD, Linux is a HUGE upgrade over Windows, because it's had time to develop. On newer workflows (high refresh rate dual screens are still not super common) work still needs to be done.
One thing I noticed with my older hardware is that dxvk uses a LOT of video RAM. To the point that I have to disable it for some games to avoid lag. A notable example here is Potion Craft. A really lean game, but it maxes out my 4GB of VRAM if I run it with default settings. Turning off DXVK and it uses only a couple hundred MB, which is what I would expect. I suspect it uses the same low amount of VRAM on Windows, so this is clearly a problem when running it on Linux, but on better hardware you wouldn't even notice.
And you will only have to render each animation once ever and steam even shares the result of the rendering to the cloud so for future gamers the shader will be loaded before the games loads up (the shader-pre-caching popup). That means when a game is very laggy for u on proton, you are likely one of the first to play it on linux (or the game got a huge update recently) and make the game way smother for next players. Thats why these lag spickes arent such a problem on popular games since steam has implemented this. By experiencing this spike, youre doing a service to the community.
I run a triple monitor setup (1080p 60Hz in portrait, 1440p ultrawide 100Hz, 1600p 60Hz screen tablet) on a fairly modern machine and never had any problem whatsoever, at least on Wayland. Doesn't mean there are no issues though. If you run Gnome on Wayland, VR headsets don't work for example, and neither does Freesync (unless you run a patched window manager). So yeah, there's still room for improvement.
As a user who picked up Linux this year, I definitely had a couple of issues in the beginning, but since overcoming them it's been pretty much smooth sailing for the past few months and I've really come to prefer it to Windows. I had considered recommending it to a friend but he doesn't even know what an operating system is and I don't think he has the time or the patience to put into learning it.
I used to think the same way. But then, talking to a friend over a pint of beer, he asked me what I'd been up to, and I told him that I was upgrading my OS. "Which one?", he asked. So I explained that I ran Linux, which is an alternative to Windows. I thought he was just indulging "the nerd" and pretending to be interested, whilst actually not really caring about operating systems. You know, like most normal people. But he was paying attention because the next time I saw him, he asked me to make him an install CD for Ubuntu. So I did and he used that to install Linux on an old laptop. His reasoning was that the laptop was old and wouldn't be good enough to upgrade to the latest Windows, and he had a newer laptop with the latest version of Windows anyway. Basically, this old laptop would just have been thrown out. So there was no impediment to giving Linux a try on it. If it doesn't work out then, ah, it was going to be thrown out regardless. But if it does work, then that's saved the old laptop from the dump for at least a few years. He installed it and was perfectly happy with it. He's been regularly telling me his tales of using Linux. On the back of this, when Microsoft brought XP to "end of life", my mother had a little netbook. It's a deliberately underpowered machine, of course, being a netbook - which are cheap and small, but get basic "Internet and email" stuff done - and so there's doubts that it could be upgraded to a newer version of Windows. So, again, it was a case of "might as well try Linux, because this machine is destined for the skip anyway". If it works, then it's saved from being thrown out for a few years. If it doesn't, then it was going to be thrown out anyway. Again, to my surprise, my mother - who's in her 80s - got along just fine with Ubuntu Linux. She's still using it and got that netbook to this day - and actually kind of prefers it to her full-blown Windows laptop, which is only used for printing and video conferencing, just because it's got a bigger nicer display on it. Everything else is happily done on her Linux netbook. Yes, she actually prefers the modified GNOME experience you get with Ubuntu's "Unity" to the Windows desktop. Because it gets out of the way and lets you just do your work. After this, I've re-assessed things. Despite the established wisdom, Linux is not intrinsically hard. At least not any modern user-friendly distro, like Ubuntu or Mint. Whilst there are command lines and configuration files, these days it's perfectly possible to treat Linux as you would treat Windows - just accept the desktop environment "as is" and don't try to customise or optimise it. Just accept the "out of the box" experience as it comes - exactly like you do with Windows, mainly because, with Windows, you don't really have any alternative choices, when there is only one desktop and you can't mess with the configuration, as it's not exposed to the user. In this context, Linux is perfectly usable by "normies" and it isn't hard for them. In fact, I've had reports of such people preferring the simplicity of Ubuntu's interface to Windows. They actually like it better, and it - amusingly - causes them less problems. I think a problem with Linux - that's earnt it this "Linux is hard" reputation - is that, yes, historically, it actually was hard, requiring the command line to make things work. But that's not been the case for a long, long while now. You can do all the same basic stuff that you can do on Windows through the GUIs provided - so if that's all you're interested in, then there's essentially little difference. It looks different, but that isn't necessarily a bad thing - and every upgrade of Windows makes it look different anyway, so what's the difference? If you have friends who're in a similar not-mission-critical position - an old laptop that's going to be thrown anyway, so there's no harm in trying - then try recommending it as a means to save an old laptop from the skip for a few more years. You could quite well be as surprised as I was that, actually, it all goes just fine and they might even become Linux converts, preferring it to Windows. As a "power user" myself, then you tend not to think of these things. When I get Linux installed, I'm wanting to install the latest graphics drivers and mess with configuration files, and customise the desktop to exactly my tastes - I dive into "the hard stuff" straight away, as Linux, being open, happily lets me customise and configure it to within an inch of its life (heck, if I want to change the source code directly, I actually can! Not that you'd do that for any trivial reasons, though). But, ah, if you treat it like you'd treat Windows - just accept what you're given "out of the box" and don't mess with it - then it really is perfectly comparable to Windows. Different, but not worse for it (and sometimes better, as these old laptops seemingly run faster, just because Linux demands less resources to run).
@@klaxoncow honestly the main problem with Linux is hardware tweakers aren't anywhere near as readily available as software tweakers I run a fucked up version of KDE with global menus and things designed to be as pixel efficient as possible, with a side of 'distant relative to the mac' I set that up in 10 minutes, and recolored the ENTIRE OS in another 20 there's no MSI afterburner, I can't overclock my AMD GPU, come on, Linus Unix, I like every form of Unixlike (yes even apple mac) and yet the seeming lack of hardware tweaking compared to Windows is honestly kind of sad, it works well with Apple computers but my desktop ain't a mac, I should be able to optimize the hardware as much as I have the software experience
@@urimc I've tried, the registers things like throttlestop use don't even have command like utilities available, which is a pain in the ass for laptop users who do need to undervolt for maximum performance
I usually watch your content for your Japanese studies but I've recently gotten into trying Linux and it has lead me back to your channel again and it just makes me happy being back here.
I started using Linux about 2 years ago because I wasn't satisfied with how much you can customize Windows. I saw few posts on reddit showing off their linux desktops and I thought "I have to try it. Maybe I can make a perfect desktop for myself". At first I ran at few issues, so I definitely wasn't even trying to daily drive it. But whenever I had a little bit of time I was searching for solutions to this issues etc. I learnt a lot of new things that way and after a while I found myself really enjoying using Linux. I spent less and less time using Windows. Now I haven't booted into Windows in quite some time. I still do that once every few months when I want to try some new game that isn't yet supported by proton but I really don't do that often. I never had any major issues or complaints with Windows then but now when I open it I can't stand ads, lack of privacy, dubious design choices, forced browsers etc. There is still an effort to be made when switching to Linux but with every year desktop experience become more and more user friendly. And I have to say that it is worth the effort. Also if you're a programmer there is no better option. When I requested Linux laptop at my work I never knew how much easier things will become. For example having two version of python installed at the same time is as simple as just installing specific version and then calling it from terminal while on windows I had to use some weird script to change PATH... As for gaming every game I play works perfectly. (Sometimes even better than on Windows, since proton talks better with older versions of DirectX than windows...). It's true that some games aren't playable on Linux because some developers decided to implement pesky anti-cheats that just won't work with proton. But that too is beginning to change with the release of steam deck. As for Japanese I followed one guide I found on r/LearnJapanese and I can switch keyboards really easy with chosen key shortcuts. こんにちは。いいビデオです。お疲れさまです TL;DR. Linux at the moment might not be the easiest experience but it's a rewarding one and worth it imo. Good luck!
What you call a weird PATH script in reality is just a way for windows to map an alias (for example python-{version-x}) to the path for the executable. It just tells the shell where to look when you or the os requests python-{version-x}. This can be done manually in like 2 steps, but I wouldn't blame anyone for not knowing this. I think when choosing the best os for you it comes down to what you are more comfortable with/eager to learn the most about.
I think you made a good point here. People who expect Windows experience in Linux are more likely to go back. The true power of linux is flexibility, so those who eger for building more productive desktop environment and don't afraid to invest some time into it will get hugely rewarded. After around couple decades I spend on Linux the Windows desktop cause nothing but pain to me, and my productiviy just sinks.
I can recommend you Ameliorated, if you want to play windows games that dont run through proton yet, because it is completely stripped down, with almost no components that collect your data ^^
>while on windows I had to use some weird script to change PATH... changing PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH to run an alternative version of a program that you didn't install and just put in some folder is also a typical way how to do it on Linux ...
As a long term Linux user (no seriously, my last Windows was XP) I gotta say: Good job. Seldom that I see such a well documented test run with clear goals in mind and _not_ using a toaster to "test" how this may perform. Oh and the issues you addressed are all so very true. For me the pain stopped when I ditched nvidia and went amd two years ago but I understand that this is not an option for everyone because of Cuda (tho h265 is coming up right now for me too :D)
It’s also a big issue because of cost, even though I hate windows I’m not going to just ditch my perfectly working Nvidia GPU for an AMD one, which will require additional hardware other than the GPU itself For me if I were to do that I’d be spending almost as much as a MacBook Air and I’d rather get a MacBook Air over upgrading my pc. Nvidia now supporting open-source drivers is a huge step forward, and I can’t wait to see how it’ll go, god I can’t wait to ditch windows for Linux or macOS
@@liamsz Why do you think you can't just switch from an nvidia GPU to a AMD GPU? They both use and need PCI-E so there is no hurdle. (and PCI-E is up and down compatible)
I've had good luck with integrated Intel and AMD. Not much issue with Nvidia so far either. My current machine has integrated Intel graphics and it plays games just fine.
Honestly, the windows 11 experience is what drove me to install Linux and start using it as my daily driver. I've been using mint for a few months now, and it does everything I need it to more efficiently than windows did. That being said, it's no walk in the park to get things set up properly and it actually took me a full on month just to figure out how to use the terminal effectively. It's actual work to use Linux but it's work I'm willing to do because I am so sick of Microsoft. Edit: I think it is important to temper expectations about Linux better however. I had a friend who used to talk about how it's so much better in every way which is completely untrue. It just has a very supportive and friendly community that can help you solve nearly any issue you encounter. That community is also working constantly to improve the entire experience for everyone.
Keep working at it and if you are capable you may find that your friend was right all along. But I'm not going to tell you that it is easy. Because for most folks it isn't. The Linux rabbit hole goes all the way to the bottom if you're brave enough to go there yourself.
It's been a year since you wrote this. Do you think I as a complete Windows user could swap to something like Linux mint, and do the following with absolutely 0 headaches: Play WoW, CSGO, OSRS, and Monster hunter on steam, browse the web with firefox, all while having Nvidia hardware?
@@um8078im new to linux, do u recommend Debian 12 with KDE installed? Or other distros? I have used mint before but after sometime it was a bit limited
As a long time linux user (literally first OS I've ever used), I always fail to understand newbies problems, a lot of them online seem to come with a good amount of cynicism so it's hard to actually understand even when they actually have a real issue. This video is one of the very few where I understood everything not only because you did your own research (I'd say you know more than me) but you've also explained pretty well what you wanted and possibly why it failed to deliver. With that said I'll just drop a few words about some issues you came across that I've personally come across or I know why they are like that. - kdenlive audio issue is because of a missing dependency in the audio stack, you'll have to search for the package name depending on the distro but it should be something along the lines of pipewire-pulse pipewire-jack and pipewire-alsa (In case you're using a distro that's moving forward with the newer technologies, in this case pipewire) Reason is some distros don't ship it by default since currently the entire linux world is kind of in limbo of going wayland + pipewire or staying with x11 + pulseaudio - Nvidia in general is going to be a lot of small pains and you'll probably be behind a few new techonologies that try to better pains with old ones, like x11 and multi monitor with different refresh rates being fixed on wayland. This said tho I wouldn't be surprised if windows freezing for a long time would be the same with your linux lag whenever you're using obs on wayland or dragging windows on x11, it seems like both are related in some way. - Davinci resolve works on any distro, they just mention centOS because that's the target distro. Arch can get it working easier because they have the aur which in simple terms is "if it exists someone made a script to get it working" type of thing. Ubuntu however has a massive community and as you showed on your video they have their own way of installing it. You can do everything on any distro, just some will have some tweaks or better support for certain things. Arch linux is the great equalizer i'd say of linux distros, they don't conform to anyone, you do you but this means nothing stops you from making it whatever you want, Ubuntu holds your hand until the very end, etc. It doesn't matter what distro you choose you can get it done.
Some are more practical than others. But if you have the time, money and motivation and multi GPU setup with Gentoo host and windows guest. Linux WILL become a great friend.
I've used Arch for many years now (and Linux for 15 years), apart from getting going (it takes days to weeks to gradually add all the components you want) it has by far the most pleasant experience with support for software and technology. Any slightly non-standard thing you want to do is met with much less friction than any other distro I've ever tried. That being said, unless you're looking to slowly learn intermediate Linux use it's one of the worst choices for beginners among the popular distros. I know Manjaro (based on Arch) can be controversial, but having moved from a 3 year old Arch installation to attempting Manjaro again, I haven't had a single notable issue since I installed it two months ago. It has improved by leaps and bounds since the last time I tried it, I'm so impressed, the polish is second to few. With no tweaking I was able to use all my sound devices and peripherals, I can have 144hz on one screen and 60hz on the other, and I was able to run all my regular games with no additional setup. And they manage to do all this without ever feeling bloated. I can't overstate how pleased I am to see the distro go from a hacky pile of scripts to a full-fledged beginner (and novice) friendly environment. I might never go back to regular Arch for my desktop.
Yup, good to see more people like this ; I've been experimenting with Linux, on and off for about 15 years and only started using it as a daily driver 3 years ago (when I had to ditch Win 7) and after a few weeks I realized that its best to dual boot 2 or 3 distros to avoid spending too much time trying to solve problems Solus Mate came out top as a fast and stable daily driver that no update has ever gone wrong (fingers crossed), Mint Mate for the few things that didn't work on Solus (cups server, ie printing was one), and an Arch which I hardly ever need to resort to, but has me in useful when a Mint update messed up and had to be reinstalled: I really recommend this setup for noobs especially...
@@fiddledotgoth I'm considering testing Linux but I don't know if Pop Os will suit what I need. What do you suggest? I just want something that can have Sushi wallpaper and run mc some games, and primarily on the program side of things I need to run programs like Unity and 3D model as well as preferably studio 2.0. I also need access to a editing software and a built in screen recorder. What do you think I should go for? The laptop I'm trynna get has Windows 11 Pro prebuilt and honestly I like Windows 11 Pro 22h2 but would like to test Linux.
@@TheHolySpiritISgreat I wouldn't recommend a Windows 11 PC for running Linux, but what you can try is using an app called Rufus and a fast usb flash drive (I like Samsung Ultra Fit) to make a bootable usb drive with persistence and you'd probably want to install linux mint on that, since Unity seems to work best on Ububntu based OSs If it doesn't boot up from usb on first try, you might need to enable usb boot and/or disble fast.secure boot in the bois first - Using a live usb to test linux means you don't need to mess with the Windows harddrive (can even remove it while testing to be sure) in order to try out linux Otherwise I'd recommend and older PC, say 1 or 2 years old, and if you're running 3d graphical stuff on it (Im not familiar with Unity myself) and need decent graphics ability, I'd find one with good radeon or Intel graphics as they work better with linux...
@@TheHolySpiritISgreat Oh and both Mint and Solus Mate have good editing and screenrecord apps, Pop OS should be ok too and should work on persistent usb but I've never done one myself - ...
All these issues with windows are really insane sounds horrible. But it's really weird and they must be rare because I've never had any of these issues and I've been through many many windows installs. All of the forcing you to use Microsoft account and the tracking however are extremely valid reasons for moving to Linux im learning to use Linux via my new steam decks desktop mode and it's been a decent experience so far. One thing i really like is how customizable everything is.
@@1pcfred Let's be truly honest. All operating systems can have insane issues. Because, you know, it's an operating system. It's a stupidly complex bit of software that, on the PC, has to cope with a truly insane amount of different hardware. But I'd prefer Linux here, simply because the issues I see with it are related to that hardware compatibility. On Windows, it's usually related to bad programming. For example, in this video, yes, there are frame rate issues on Linux. But these are the well-known slightly-shit nVidia drivers (which Linus Torvalds has given them the middle finger and told them "fuck you" for being so bad). The software itself is just fine (demonstrably so on AMD systems) but the hardware support is flakey. Meanwhile, on Windows, you have some settings in "Settings" and some settings in "Control Panel". It's been like this since Windows 8. Some apps do "dark mode", others don't (which will randomly blind you, if you're using "dark mode" in a dark room and then a bright white window appears). They make some little progress each time, I guess. But what we're looking at there is simply that Microsoft shipped an unfinished OS. Extra keyboard languages? Things just locking up and freezing for stupidly long amounts of time, for seemingly no reason? Hopefully, you get the gist of what I'm getting at. On Linux, the issues you encounter tend to be hardware compatibility / shit or non-existent drivers - but the software itself is totally good (and on compatible hardware with good drivers, you can 100% see that). On Windows, the problems tend to be actual bad / unfinished coding, because Microsoft doesn't give a shit and has been shipping unfinished "work in progress" stuff for multiple versions now. Windows 11 still hasn't unified "Settings" and "Control Panel" yet. "Dark mode" is still hit-and-miss. Random half-minute freezes for no apparent reason - why did that just happen? No-one knows. And, like with the extra keyboard languages, Windows is full of weird tiny little quirks like that all over the place. And Microsoft's bad attitude in shipping this half-finished crap has been getting worse, proportional to their arrogance in installing spyware and subscription software on your machine. With Linux, the code itself is good. Because you've got people who care, and actually use their own software, trying their best - often unpaid - just to make the best product they can (and the problems typically result from the fact that Linux doesn't automatically get drivers, as Windows does automatically because no hardware manufacturer is going to ship without Windows drivers) and true bugs are quashed quickly. Microsoft are just counting the money and laughing: "Give them any old half-broken shit, they'll have to eat it". Yeah, the drivers are good - mainly because the manufacturers themselves make those for Microsoft, as who's going to ship hardware without drivers for the by-far most used OS? - but the software's just a half-done job from a poorly paid "code monkey" from India, as Microsoft don't care as long as the cash keeps flowing. But, yeah, the gist of what I'm saying is that every OS has issues. Because operating systems are hard. Stupidly hard. As hard as it possibly can get. But I'd rather issues that are genuine issues (usually to do with hardware) and potentially fixable, than issues that resulting from a big corporation, who thinks they own your machine more than you do, flatly not giving a shit to do anything beyond "ah, that'll do" passable-but-quirky, because they have your money already, so why try harder?
@@klaxoncow Linus gave Nvidia the finger because the drivers for Quadro were non-existent. Nvidia only supported their consumer graphics adapters on Linux. That would be the GT line. Plus some earlier products they made like the MX and RIVA. The philosophy of Linux and FLOSS in general is release early and release often. That means releasing code before it is good. Most Linux driver code is written by manufacturers today. AMD, Intel and Nvidia all make drivers for their hardware. The bulk of Linux is written by paid professionals now.
dude, every windows update feels like an assassination attempt on my PC. For 2 years after every update my PC had failed restart. One time I even had to do "manual" recovery of the system. Oh and once windows update somehow bricked my NVIDIA drives and I had a problem to restart PC in safe mode since everything was pixelated.
@@VGamingJunkieVT companies start out trying to make the best product possible for there users, then they get greedy exploiting users for themselves and shar holders, and eventually they get so greedy that they squeeze money out of everyone and then it dies
9:04 the "lag spikes" is proton building a shader cache. Also im glad to see a fellow Estonian trying out linux. It's a big pain to get into but worth it in the end.
The fact your main monitor is locked to 60hz when you turn on your second monitor is because your second monitor is 60hz, and you were using X11, which cannot do multiple refresh rates so it has to choose the highest refresh rate both monitors can use. That's why for the past 6 months or so people with multiple monitors, or planning to game on Linux have installed the Wayland port of KDE desktop, which solves that issue completely.
The issue is that Wayland sucks. If my choice between window managers is one where multiple refresh rates are unsupported and one where discord screen sharing is unsupported, then that's kind of a really big problem.
@@ExplosiveBrohoof Wayland is great, it's just that not all that many programs and DEs support it yet, and using a compatibility layer (XWayland) will never be quite as good as the real thing, which, frankly, sucked to begin with. I expect the Wayland experience to keep getting better as more programs adapt to it. X11 is an albatross around Linux's neck, a godawful abortion of a software package designed for a very specific moment in the 1980s where businesses and scientific laboratories needed GUIs for things like computer aided design, but most workstations were too slow to natively host their own graphics so X11 let them have graphics served by a dedicated machine on the network. In 1985 this made sense, but it was already obsolete by 1990 and we have been living with the consequences of dumb architectural details of X11 for 40 years.
Woah. That kind of analytical content you simply CANNOT find easily on the internet. Thank you a lot for verbalizing some of my thoughts on Linux, at some point I even thought you were reading my mind LOL
6:30 if you'd like to know what happened here, it's because your computer has a bios setting that's wrong. Essentially, newer UEFI computers have an option to support old BIOS-only boot options, great if you'd like to go back into your old operating system after upgrading. However, this option is not fully supported and will cause installers to fail as the installer is not compatible with your PC. This is one of the few things I'd say is wrong with PC/motherboard manufacturers instead of being an issue with linux itself.
A very honest video that feels novel. Sticking with it and doing your research when you have problems is exactly the right move. You are doing something new, you have to put in work to learn it, just like you did with whatever OS you first learned. Good job!
As a 3D artist and Rust developer that daily drives Linux as my productivity machine, having to fix stuff is a reality. However, when you fix something on Linux, you never have to fix it twice- it’s an incremental relationship, so the amount of time you spend tweaking things decreases by the time, up to a point where your Linux installation requieres much less maintenance than Windows. Further, you make your OS part of your workflow, as you can optimize Linux to fit your own dynamics and get a lot of time-saving in the long run. Cheers!
learning how to do permanent fixes isn't a given though, i didn't know how to use startup scripts so i stopped using linux because of monitor settings not saving.
I've been using Linux for 2 months now. I finally have everything set up to be perfect and I rarely have to do anything. Once I learned the terminal everything became much clearer as well. I recommend giving it more time if you have the patience it took me 4 different attempts at trying Linux before I finally accepted it as my daily driver. I can help you with using the Japanese keyboard as well wasn't so hard to install but certainly not as easy as windows
I think anyone with familiarity with terminal should give Arch (or an Arch based distro) a shot - in my experience while it takes more time/effort to install and configure, it tends to have fewer hard to fix issues. With that said, for an Arch based distro I would strongly recommend either Endeavour OS or Garuda rather than Manjaro - Manjaro maintains it's own package repositories and frequently holds packages back, which can cause substantial problems with the AUR (user maintained packages) due to missing/out of date dependencies. I personally use the Anarchy install scripts - closer to "pure" Arch with a lot less hassle during setup
I had a much smoother transition than you seem to have. I went from win7 to Linux mint in 2020, and after some minor teething issues in the first month, Ive had zero issues. But I dont do video editing. Yes there are some draw backs, such as less software support for certain things (like BIOS updates, bespoke peripherals, RGB, and other trimmings) I find all basic functions work for me. been daily driving for 2 years now, havent had to use windows since.
Do the BIOS updates in the BIOS, which is indeed also the recommended path for Windows users, and use OpenRGB.. which I also consider a better solution then the broken bloatware the vendors ship. Video editing can suck, but Kdenlive very recently fixed support for rendering via NVENC and VAAPI and overall better rendering performance.This should really help. Nvidia drivers are still problematic for me from time to time.. but everything else works quite smoothly.
Your video inspired me to install Linux on my low end laptop. Windows performed horribly on it and I thought maybe Linux would work better. And it certainly does! Moreover, I'm now considering buying an additional HDD for my main pc to set up a dualboot. Thank you so much for your videos!
Please, get an SSD instead of HDD, don't hinder your experience. Linux benefits from SSD just as much as Windows does. Also, good idea you're considering a second physical drive for Linux instead of using one for both OSes: Windows can be unpredictable and depending on your setup it could lock you out of Linux on a single-drive dualboot
A year ago I removed my Windows 7 from a 13 years old laptop and replaced it with Debian 11 Mate, it works like a charm. Of course Debian isn't a good option for beginners, but it still had support for 32 bit architecture. If your laptop is 64 bit, then literally any linux is okay to make it lightweight.
As for right-click context menus closing instantly, it's actually a "feature" of Gnome where you have to hold the right-click and release for selecting a menu.
When I first got into Linux gaming I was getting super mad that it essentially would toggle aim. Took me longer than I care to admit to learn it was a Linux feature and could be turned on or off lol.
This is the most accurate review of linux i have ever seen, after disro swapping 100 times i can conform he is absolutly right, and there are also driver issues for laptops
Linux is not ready for everyone, It doesn't replace windows and i wouldn't recommend it for all but the most privacy concerned people, It's pretty buggy on Nvidia (which sucks cause it's most computers) and Wayland is great but plainly isn't ready and needs years development to be on par with X11 in compatibility. That being said it works for me but i happen to have an AMD system since it's cheaper in my country and i only have one high refresh rate monitor that i never have on sleep due to preference so X11 works fine for me, I think i just happen to have the stars aligned for Linux to fit me but i hope it becomes a better experience for every case, Thanks for trying out Linux again and i hope next time the experience is good enough to stay.
Yeah Desktop Linux is way better than it used to be. I put Mint on a guy’s old Mac and for surfing and email he says he can’t tell the difference. He likes it
I went in with low expectations for another "Challenge" but was blown away by the quality of the video! Even just putting the effort into troubleshooting, and explaining the X11 refresh rate problems and Wayland, was much more than I was expecting. Really great work, it was a highly enjoyable watch.
The problem is people shouldn't be expected to do all that to get the basic functionality, even those who are willing to problem solve, sometimes they really need to get things done in a timely manner and when your OS gets in the way you tend to get pissed and uninstall.
@@ararune3734 Unfortunately that's just what Linux is. It isn't a beginner OS, and with how fragmented everything is between different groups of developers and components, it probably never will be. Linux isn't an OS for beginners, and I'd never recommend it to them. It has a lot of problems, and it's only worth using if you're willing to work through them. Windows/Mac are fine for the vast majority of people, and that's likely the way it's going to stay forever.
@@Jacksaur_ No no, forget beginner or not, as someone using my PC for programming I also don't want to deal with unnecessary problems that prevent me from getting work done. Linux is exactly what should be recommended for "beginners" such as people who use their PC as mostly a browser bootloader. The problem arises when your needs exceed that usage
@@ararune3734 Then many problems can similarly arise with Windows. I'm not a full programmer, I mainly just stick shit together and hope it works. But Linux has been a far better dev environment for me than Windows. The OS doesn't actively fight to stop me from making things how I want. It's all down to personal preference in the end.
@@Jacksaur_ I honestly wish that was the case because I prefer many things about Linux, but honestly in a matter of few weeks I've had so many little problems that accumulate and ruin my experience. I've had file transfer randomly stop and there would be no indication if it's going to continue, sometimes it wouldn't, could leave it for hours and wouldn't move. I've had problems with all flatpak software taking way too long to start (I've solved it but still). I've had constant problems with my drivers fking up when turning on the PC, a few times I couldn't even get the image, resolution getting messed up was frequent. I also had a problem where an update messed up something with my drive, randomly lost about 500MB of my drive getting partitioned and inaccessible only to later not be able to boot at all, reinstalling the OS didn't help so I had an all nighter fixing that when I had much more important stuff to do preparing for university. These are a few examples in a matter of 3-4 weeks. I don't know how that compares to windows but other than 2 random blue screen of deaths that happened in a few weeks, I haven't had any problems with windows other than the fact it's not as customizable.
It really all comes down to avoiding Nvidia and knowing what you need to do with your system unless you're a gamer or a musician. When I migrated I found general purpose computing to be 10 times less hassle in Linux. Music composition apps and gaming are another story though... real learning curve there.
Well i partially agree, but nvidia doesn't provide any benefits in gaming over amd whatsoever. My friend had more driver related issues with Rtx 4070 than i had with 6900xt. I personally use dual boot on my pc. One is stripped down windows (ReviOS) with disabled telemetry, defender ,without edge and disabled updates . And other is Kali for a few reasons actually. While its popular among wanna be a hckr public as an web developer i use some pre installed apps just to test some things and second biggest reason is that it's debian. It's definitely MUCH more stable than arch and i didn't try fedora. So instead of dealing with bunch of issues dual boot is perfect combo 😅
wait, is linux not good for media creation? that's literally my main purpose for my windows machines. windows 11 sucks, win10 is certainly better but lacks certain functionality than windows 7 has, windows 7 is great but lacks support for some things that linux does support, and does linux make media creation overly complicated?
A year later, does Nvidia hardware still have issues? I am considering Linux but I won't buy a new PC, thats the whole reason I'm considering coming TO Linux.
@@TehSuperHeroill reply to also get an answer as im in a similar spot (with an RTX2060) and a stripped down Windows "Ghost" thinking about switching to Arch (im a software engineer) I really do dig the customisability
I just recently "switched" to linux, i just find that linux as a working OS is absolutely perfect, everything is free, is super customizable and runs on anything(and thats why i was forced to switch). Latelly ive been able to develop mobile apps on a 2008 netbook with a single core and 2gb of ddr2 ram. I can have the text editor, firefox open with like 3 tabs and the libre office open and it only uses tops of 1.3gb of ram. Crazy how a windows install by itself uses 1.9 gb ram. Im on a minimal debian install, but tried arch and it was too much of a pain for me at the moment (i only have like 8 days of linux experience)
Yeah except there's no productivity. There's constant bugs or need to install a new package and do config. Like you can change it yourself, but on every aspect, there's productivity loss. It's awesome to feel like hackerman. And when I was taking a course that requires programming for the linux os on a server, using it as a daily driver was fucking awesome. But the thing is that most software available are medium sized open source with no designer, so while the code is good, it's just very unproductive to use. Or straight up shit doesn't work bug. My machine due to driver completly broke like 6 timr and it took me days to figure it out 3 time and after that it was a repeat (Kernel bug).
I've been on arch for a while now and there's no bug. It all comes from arch being very minimal and straight up lacking stuff. It's ubuntu and it's packages not matching that's a nightmare. Even manually building, they give you the package quoloquial name but not the install name. So it's a nightmare to chase. Graphics will be fucked. You will have screen tearing. The result after mutliple Arch is really good for pacman and yay. Which will lwt you install stuff super easily. Then you have flatpak for stuff you don't want to build. And manial in really rare case. I really recommend it. Though do not try to boot dual boot 2 linux os while sharing the same /home partition and sharing a user across os. It fucked with permission and the only solution i found makes every file executable. Else you'd need to name all script with .sh, and know the first line for all scripts name, and you might be able to make a script that gives execute only to the right one. Don't dual boot. You will not need ubuntu. Backup your ubuntu somewhere and mount it if you need files.
i went from win10 to arch on my laptop and after one month of tweaking, installing software, fixing minor stuff im using it as a daily driver for college and gaming (very limited bc no gpu) and so on. It has been a really cool experience to get everything working and i havent had any issues for a long time.
This was pretty eye-opening. I've only used Linux on my laptop so I've never seen these kinds of Nvidia and multi-monitor issues. They would drive me crazy.
Multi-monitor issues, particularly on KDE, are absolutely crazy. I had a bug where every time I plugged my laptop into my dock, it'd delete my entire desktop layout and give me the default one again. It'd take me a good 5 minutes to set it all up again, even after I got quick at it. It's a shame since Gnome has a bunch of shortcomings that really frustrate me too (extensions are a buggy unstable mess, for example, but they're the only way to get basic features).
If there's one thing I noticed from a lot of people's experiences with Linux: if you're using Nvidia and/or a strange monitor setup like hidpi, different refresh rates, multiple monitor, or hidpi, you're going to have a bad time
I don't use any of those but when people keep saying there are no problems with Linux but then have huge compiled lists of ifs and else ifs that speaks for itself.
Linux is SO CLOSE to being ready for everyone to use, but Xorg and Nvidia are literally the biggest hold ups. I personally use Pop!_OS with KDE on Nvidia and have less issues than I did with Windows, but I has an older 980ti GPU and only 60Hz monitors. When Nvidia FINALLY supports Wayland and all those kinks are worked out, it'll finally look and feel like a proper OS for the vast majority who try it. It'll never be the most popular, but I do think it's close to finally becoming an option people actually consider
@@lpnp9477 This year, they finally landed image previews in the file picker. This has been an open issue in their tracker since 2004 or so, and a meme therefore, but they finally fixed it! However, I think that SteamOS, at least if you use it on the Steam Deck, ships with KDE Plasma. The KDE Plasma file picker always had image previews.
I tried switching to Linux a while back (specifically Manjaro and Pop OS), and just... Didn't have the best luck of it. I was lucky enough to be going in with an AMD GPU, so I didn't suffer from the issues you had; what you went through sounds nightmarish to me. In particular what hurt me the most though was how most of my mainstay art programs were not available (frustratingly Clip Studio Paint is available for ChromeOS but not Linux in in general). I also just disliked how much troubleshooting I had to do in order to fix things I just took for granted on Windows. But with all that said, I still wish the best for Linux, because I'm concerned about the state of Windows too, and it's really important that this OS that truly belongs to the people exists.
The lack of good illustration apps are the reason I'm still on windows. I've mostly switched over to drawing on my iPad though, so I'll eventually swap over to Macs instead. Macos is what Linux wishes it could be anyways.
I only use Linux on old computers for basic tasks. I don't dare put Linux on a new, shiny computer. Linux's reputation has always been "we keep your old tech chugging for years after for-profit businesses stop their support."
Hello, I have a suggestion for fixing your lag on Linux. It could be the result of the OS using your Swap memory, even when it doesn't need to. Swap is typically a small amount of disk space which is partitioned to be used as backup RAM in case you run out of RAM while using Linux. It's not typically required, but can be useful on systems with low memory. Sometimes, Swap is used even if you have free RAM, because the OS wants to free more of your RAM to use it as cache for your disk. This can result in lag spikes or stutters for your entire desktop environment, as well as any games you play. Try running the command 'htop' and seeing how much of your swap is being used. If ANY swap is being used and you have free memory, this solution could be applicable to you. The behavior of using Swap even when you have free memory is determined by a variable called 'swappiness' which is typically set to 60 by default on many distros. You can check it by running the command 'cat /proc/sys/vm/swappiness' and you can change it with the command 'sudo sysctl vm.swappiness=X' (where X is the value you want to set it to). I would suggest setting it to 0. If you do that, the OS will never use swap unless it absolutely has to. For me, this fixed all of my issues with lag. I have two monitors with different refresh rates as well, one is 1440p144 and another is 1080p60. Swap, since it is on the disk rather than your RAM, is an order of magnitude (or maybe two orders of magnitude) slower than your Memory. When a program is using swap, accessing data will take much longer, thus causing major slowdowns. Not only this, but accessing the disk like that can make your CPU usage skyrocket. Once you change swappiness to 0, I think you'll notice that your machine runs much smoother, and the CPU usage goes down quite a bit. I did not find this solution online, I came up with it based on my own tuition from using Linux for a while, and it worked for me. Perhaps it will work for you as well.
well... there ya go. I just set my swappiness to zero and what do you know. I have 32gb ram, and wondered why my cpu was high and swappiness was kicking in, with no significant extra ram usage. Didn't make sense. Now it does. Just swapped over from windows and loving it. Thanks man :)
I love these kind of videos as they show developers exactly what problems users have when changing OS and helps them focus on those. Linux has improved a lot but it's still not a better user experience compared to windows or macOS due to these issues.
@@beastmasterbg if you are a Linux customer then you are paying someone to support you. They would cater to your needs then too. If you're just a Linux user then not so much.
Oh my, a real world PC user talking about their Linux experience. Thank you so much. Your experience matches mine to a good extend and I've been trying linux on and off for 20 years now. While the lag isn't as much of an issue for me, i do have to always tinker around with Linux to get it to work. You just keep running into problems to do seemingly basic stuff like: File sharing, installing the latest version of some software (why is it always a different effin package manager or some repo injection script that I need to run?), changing mouse pointer speed only for my trackpoint, or fractional scaling to have usable ui sizes on my 4k monitor? I'm also a hobby photographer and sadly there isn't a good alternative to adobe Lightroom classic. MS office also can't be run on Linux (which it used to be) and I'm not tolerant of the issues with Libre Office. The thing that really gets me is that it's unstable. My windows installs last for years amd run stable. With Linux,my longest has been 4 months before some update or setting nuked my installation.
seeing your vids in my sub box always makes me happy, it's honestly really impressive that you can create such high quality stuff at this kind of pace also i actually bought an old thinkpad x230 this week and decided to try learning linux on it, so this was very relatable
Hey, that's what I am planning to do. Get Thinkpad X220 or X230 and install Linux on it and learn more how to use it. Before I used Linux on VMs only and i faced some problems.
my friend has a saying you see, "i use linux on server because i'm not a masochist, and i use windows on desktop because i'm not a masochist", i like it personally because even though it's obvious that linux has its uses in enterprise and stuff, i am not enterprise and stuff, and every single time i tried using linux desktop, i was pretty much force pushed back to windows i don't hate on windows, i've never had issues with it that wouldn't be caused by me or other person that was using it, and this made me believe that if someone has problems with windows, 99% of the time it's incompetent user's fault, and 1% of the time it's faulty install, linux on the other hand... i completely agree on linux false advertising, entire community saying that it's completely without problems, while running just as good or better than alternatives is maybe 5% of the cases, and there is another saying i agree on, "linux is free only if your time is worthless", which perfectly summarizes that if you want it to work, you have to put work into it first, and for most people it's just not worth it, not when competition "just works" out of the box torvalds said once on some event that linux is not popular because it doesn't come preinstalled with OEM systems like windows does, which in my opinion is just completely wrong guess (because i can't even call it a thesis or an opinion, it's a missed guess at the very best and a accidentally grammatically correct mishmash of words at worst), because if a person buys a prebuilt system, there is a good chance that a) they can't use linux or b) they don't need it, because everybody who can/need to use linux more often than not also builds their system on their own not to mention what you've shown at 16:55, which perfectly summarizes all arguments in linux vs windows discussions, which mostly consist of "linux is good because windows is bad", "i hate bill gates", and "i don't have money" (like, come on, am i supposed to take seriously a person who unironically says "Microsoft Windows is for a fake person"?) i'm currently at the point where i cut conversation dead the moment the other person says "linux is good" or "windows is shit", because i know that there is no talking sense into that guy, even if he himself doesn't completely buy what he's saying, because he won't ever admit being wrong the borderline for me is this: linux has its place in server space, and that is where it should stay. unconditionally. forever. windows isn't perfect either, but it's the best we have and will have for a long time (for desktop at least).
A lot of these random issues are because of Nvidia drivers unfortunately. My last card was a 1080Ti and stuff was constantly breaking, freezing and lagging in both Fedora and Ubuntu. Now I have a Radeon 6900XT and my Linux experience since then on Fedora has been nearly flawless. No more OBS glitches, extremely smooth Wayland performance, no graphics drivers failing to load after major updates, etc.
Good to hear these experiences from another person. I just installed Linux on my laptop a month ago and have been loving it even thought there have been countless problems similar to yours. I have already fallen down the rabbit hole of customizing my desktop and workflow - just wait, I think it's not a question of if it will happen to you, but rather when ;) Looking forward to the update video. I just realized that RUclips recommended me this video not because you're a fellow estonian, but because of the Linux community, which I find so cool. Welcome!
You got me there at some point when you mentioned so good support from Proton and the second time showing smooth Ubuntu experience. Although sight of Ubuntu woke up trauma of my master's degree when network drivers decided to roger out after OS upgrade so hard that I was helpless, community was helpless and I lost precious hours on tight schedule of too much caffeine and too little sleep. From my experience home distros of Linux are still a playground for people whose hobby is to evolve an OS. Unfortunately for people who treat their OS-es like a daily, this is unacceptable. There are issues I dislike or even hate in Windows. But it's all reliable - issues are reliably not disappearing 😀, but also since Windows 7 (which I got very early) whole experience is reliable, stable and good. Windows 10 still runs well on 11 year old laptop and I can still squeeze every bit of power because of good backwards compatibility for drivers there. It was not the case when I gave my old gaming PC to my family and was shocked that Ubuntu or Mint couldn't even play HD (720p) smoothly (because AMD stopped releasing new drivers for that card on Linux and Linux distros upgraded some component responsible for display, so Linux users on that GPU were stuck with experience close to Windows XP running in safe mode). Linux is a choice, but it comes at a cost larger than its fans want to admit.
Agreed, I still have a dinosaur Dell Z desktop with W7, with a SATA hd, running acceptably well. Maybe slow during boot up, but once set, is smooth sailing. My next upgrade is a SSD which will be a considerable improvement as that has been the case on my W7 laptops. I can play Steam games almost at the highest settings, do Teams, VPN for work, watch movies, sports, have several VMs, and still today I have no need for distro, kernel or whatever mumbo jumbo. Comparing it to a car, I would say my PC is like a Toyota with around 300k still on original struts, just tires and oil changes. Thats how reliable my PC is.
Just watched the video about you using a MacBook and got this one recommended. Also, really well put. Every few years I give Linux a chance but these kind of issues keep me away from having it as my daily driver.
This was crazy to see as I have had a smooth experience on linux with minimal issues, you thought of things I wouldn't even think of, higher than 60Hz refresh rates (am broke so I only have a 60Hz and 75Hz one), think most of your issues stemmed from Nvidia which is unfortunate but as you explained, it was unfortunately not an option for you to use AMD
Some distros are literally nightmares with certain hardware but totally flawless with others. When I heard so much about Manjaro I tried to install it, and for whatever reason every single system font was replaced by gibberish random characters, so I could not get passed that because it was like trying to solve hieroglyphics just to open a single menu. And absolutely no one had any idea what my specific issue was. Other distros went flawlessly, but certain features were strange, and I know a few of my machines I know might have driver issues. It either works really well, or really poorly. And it can take a long time to get the right combination of DE and distro depending on your hardware.
@@ghost-user559 This is so true. A lot of different distros use different versions of software that can sometimes cause issues. When I was on Debian I had a lot of problems with the nvidia drivers and it was a pure nightmare. On arch everything is really smooth and runs perfectly but sometimes (this happend to me 2 times) a library just breaks and things just stop working. So I had to find out what package is broken and the delete that package and reinstall it. Sometimes things just work without you doing anything and sometimes you need hours to make the most simple thing working.
@@alx1431 Yeah that’s the most frustrating part because sometimes an entire distro just breaks for no apparent reason and other times it’s a random package. Other times its the DE that decided to stop working. Honestly I use MacOS whenever I HAVE to get work done on a deadline because it works flawlessly 99% of the time and you can usually stay on a stable update until the next one is released because there are so many people testing each beta so it gets fixed very quickly. I really enjoy Linux and I’m glad it exists for keeping my old hardware going, but man having to spend an entire day or more trying to do something as simple as printing something or getting a WiFi card working can completely ruin the experience. And like you said it can just hit you out of nowhere when you really need your computer working and you suddenly have to be your own tech support and IT department. The worst part is when literally no one has the problem you have anywhere on the entire internet. That’s when I immediately distro hop and almost never look back like with Manjaro. Could be a simple fix, but it could easily never get resolved. In some cases it’s faster to just wipe the system and reinstall everything ironically.
@@alx1431 yeah, hopefully amd catches up to nvidia so it's almost 1:1 in terms of features as with AMD, I have had very little issues, and if you want a good experience, I'd definitely say use AMD, perhaps there could be some middleground but it wouldn't be perfect, basic amd display adapter and have all intensive apps use nvidia card (not sure if that's supported on linux though), or hopefully nvidia will embrace open source more or with nvidia open sourcing some stuff the apps will get better support and such
I have 120hz and nvidias rtx 3060, and i also had no issues. I think tech devices just hate this guy and want to be buggy specifically for him. Linux aside, i never had the issues he had on windows either.
Great video! I've been thinking of going to linux for a while, but i'm hesitant to put it on my desktop and my laptop is a Surface Book, so there might be some compatibility issues with the screen detachment and the 'mysterious' unnamed Nvidia graphics card. I really hope Linux will eventually become the savior we all want and need it to be and maybe one day we'll even get an open source phone OS that's worth bothering with and frees us from Android and IOS
Booting from an external drive (or, on a smaller scale, live booting) is a decent way to test hardware compatibility without risking your main installation. I was daily driving linux using a small external SSD for a year before migrating to a proper one and had no issues at all.
I guess u never got the memo that android is already open source . . . Just carriers like to tweak it a lot and change stuff specifically for their phones
THANK YOU! I literally had all of the problems you encountered - I have been trying to switch for over a year now, every few weeks switching from Windows to Linux, because some things were supposedly fixed, but then with each update something else broke. I tried Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Pop!_OS, Manjaro (Gnome/KDE), EndevaourOS (KDE), Fedora, Linux Mint and KDE Neon. I threw out two 60Hz Monitors due to the Mixed Refreshrate Bug, people were telling me that AMD GPUs don't have this issue, which isn't true as it's an X11 Issue. When the monitors went to sleep, all my Desktop Icons where reset, the refreshrates from all 3 monitors were reset from 144hz to 60hz. Other issues worth mentioning: many many UI / frameserver glitches, audio interrupts when clicking on UI items, screen tearing, firefox hardware decoding, firefox performance issues when certain types of animations are being used and so on.
Dude that sound terrible, you even tried Arch baset distros and Fedora. How did you manage to gain such a big stake of issues :O I am currently running ArchLinux with KDE on an gtx 1080ti. And i have to say, i ad some of the issues you epxerienced like 2 years ago. But now, everything seems fine. I do gaming, have my own kde customisations and an own workflow with virtaul desktops etc. This issue with two monitors with different refresh rates still exists. My fix was to disable KDEs VSYNC. Also one issue i encountert, since i have one uwqhd and one fhd monitor. The scaling is pretty ducked. Walyand fixes it but walyand has issues with electron applications so yeaahh my fhd monitor has now a 125% bigger scaling :)
Wow you tried a bunch of distros. But people like you are important Linux needs user's. Make sure to report bugs to the correct people. Make them reproducable.
I use EndeavorOS KDE and the multi monitor issue can sort of be fixed by putting (KWIN_X11_REFRESH_RATE=144000) in "/etc/environment" I say sort of because it just makes x11 refresh at that rate, so your 60hz panels will be at 144hz internally.
The question of whether or not to use linux is, "Do you want to control what your PC does, or do you want your PC to control what you do?". Commercial OS are now designed to meet the needs of the corporation, not the needs of the user, and you are merely a minor part of their financial model, and no longer considered a significant stakeholder. This means that what you want is of low importance.
welcome to the club. linux has really come along way since the early 2010s and since the steam dock came out its only getting better, I been daily driving for a while and still haven't had any major game compatibility issues, key word major I don't play pvp at all so anti-cheat isn't an issue for me. I'm also on AMD. but I'm not here to pretend like its totally perfect, it isn't especially if your on Nvida, witch can be a deal braker, unfortunately there's not likely to be a solution in site. and unfortunately, chances are the linux community isn't going to change any of the other issues aswell, as there's a stigma around making things easier for normal people
I've switched to Linux for 2 years. Basically the first few months I keep switching between distros. Now I am happy with Arch and it seems best fit my daily usage. The second option would be Fedora. It is very responsive and smooth while I was using it.
Man, this video hit home. I would absoutely LOVE to use linux 100% of the time instead of windows. I hate all the data collection/tracking etc that windows has been implementing over time. I've tried a handful of linux distros over the years starting way back in around 2012, and each time it takes hours upon hours of searching how to get things to run properly. What you said at the end about you making sacrifices to use linux is exactly how I feel each time. The last time I tried it in 2022 I spent hours trying to get a simple IDE to work properly. The solution is probably to just use a different IDE, but I kept finding posts online saying that it should work and to try x fix, and the rabbit hole went on and on until I reached my troubleshooting boiling point. I feel as though I run into issues like this each time. Something that is essentially plug and play on windows turns into 3 hours of googling and trying fixes on linux. Then on top of that there are the occasional issues with the desktop environment. I'm not concerned with 60hz personally, but if my screen turns sideways and requires driver reinstalls like yours did I'm not going to be happy. Maybe if it's a one time thing but if it's that on top of 10 other weird little quirks that require fixes on a weekly basis I can't stand that. Even the cmd stuff like sudo apt install x etc isn't exactly user friendly and requires some prior knowledge and time investment learning. I feel like I'm hit by a wall of a learning curve by my OS each time. I always fall back to thinking "If I have to spend hours just to learn the bare basics, and then on top of that hours to get programs to run, and THEN on top of that more hours to fix or just accept bugs like the graphics drivers needing reinstalled after reboot, or not coming out of sleep mode. Why am I even using this OS when I can use windows and have a mostly bug free experience?" I'm tempted to give it another whirl and maybe it will be different this time. Perhaps I will pick the magic distro for me, that will have minimal issues. As writing this I'm having the temptation to try again. I think it requries a different mindset, rather than fully switching over it should be a side thing, like a game or hobby, and once you topple the learning curve, the full switch can be made.
I've been using Nobara KDE recently, and it's kind of like it's trolling me The first month i used it was incredible, nearly everything i wanted working was working flawlessly The second month it wouldn't give graphical output for an extended period of time, so i forced it off and that seemingly corrupted the system, i may have been able to dig in and see what the issue was but it honestly isn't worth several hours of my time to *attempt* to fix an issue, when i can just reinstall and hopefully fix every issue This is the middle of The Third Month now, and I've had some Graphical Issues, mainly things like Discord for who knows why; The KDE panel sometimes psuedo-crashes (It still kind of works but receives no new graphical information to display.), Firefox gave me some weird issues today where it didn't like having multiple instances and so would repeatedly fight for the visual data, and not allow me to actually interact with the browser until i restarted it. *Sometimes* it worked, *sometimes* it didn't and it's unclear why it should work at one point and not at another. Occasionally i've seen the comment that's like 'Don't use Nvidia with Linux', which simply isn't viable for most people. Also the updates on Nobara kind of annoy me, because it wants you to update like daily or multiple times a day, and if *any* system package is updated it wants me to restart, nothing else I've seen asks for that, why should i need to restart when [unspecified system package] needs to be updated. (System package in this instance seems to mean *any* Non-Gui software.) I get if it's the Linux Kernel or something in the Very Core of the OS, but one of the things that made me really like Linux is not needing to restart after every Update. Anyway, all that being said, the reason i chose Nobara KDE is because i *do* like the Windows Interface, and KDE is one of the closest to it that I've seen, mainly do to the System Tray which still lacks some features And Nobara is just Fedora with a lot of nice tweaks supposed to make setting up gaming stuff easier than on Fedora. And Fedora is apparently a pretty solid distro with a good update cycle (Semi-Rolling, which should essentially to my understanding mean that the Core is checked to be stable, but you still get pretty much the most up to date software with all the new features and bug fixes.) So, you could try your luck with Fedora KDE or Nobara KDE and see if they work for you. (If you don't care about the Windows look (I.E. The System Tray), you could try another DE like GNOME; GNOME is one of the most used DEs other than KDE, so they may pretty much be your best bets. I've generally heard that the biggest thing that separates most distros is Package Management, so if you got that down it's just a matter of Display Server and Desktop Environment. In terms of things working the best, that seems like that would be patching and stuff. I also find it kinda interesting how my opinion differs from a lot of other people, as i genuinely don't know what's user unfriendly about something like 'superuser-do package-manager install package-name' it's literally saying: run the following command as administrator, run the following package manager subcommand, install, package name. It's sort of like if you've ever used something like echo or print in cmd: run as administrator, cmd.exe, echo, 'Hello World!' (Run cmd.exe as administrator and type "echo 'Hello World!'") It's basically the same type of interaction just text-based. Anyway, nobody *has* to use the command-line to get most things done, except in KDE Dolphin which decides it wants a different way of doing stuff that's supposed to be more secure but is harder to learn and more inconvenient to use. It's literally just the easier solution sometimes. If you want to try to learn linux, doing so in a VM can be interesting, you can even make Snapshots and treat them as Save Points like in a game, and then if you want to dig into something, you can start to delete packages to see when it crashes or something like that, and because it's not your host system you won't fuck that up, and because you have snapshots you can just revert or Load your Save. Treating Linux as a game could be a fun experience, if you can find some sort of objective that you want to accomplish.
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Wow, I've never had these issues... I've used Linux Mint for years, and it's always been smooth for me. It's so crazy that you had this many issues, a lot of them were Nvidia issues though so I understand that.
This guy probably has some kind of really complex display setup, like three or four different monitors of different sizes and refresh rates. I'm running a laptop with the closed nvidia driver with Fedora 38 KDE wayland and don't have lagging at all but as a laptop I just have the one display hence no problems
As someone who uses Arch, Fedora would probably the best Distro for your use case. It ships new yet stable software and kernels (which also means new drivers), comes with GNOME, Wayland and Pipewire out of the box and is part of the RHEL ecosystem which, while unpopular amongst certain parts of the community (such as me) for ideological reasons, is generally a good bet for official software supports by corporations. (CentOS for example is also part of that ecosystem) Funnily enough, I've never really had any problems with Linux except for the usual package signing issue on Arch. However, I also don't have a dedicated GPU and only one monitor which certainly makes things easier. TL;DR: Use Fedora because it's like Ubuntu but without the annoyance of outdated drivers and software.
Ubuntu has been great for me, and I’ve only really used a Raspberry Pi in the past, so I am relatively new to Linux (long term Mac and Windows user). Now I will have to try Fedora out of interest!
CentOS isn't dead, they just refocused the project to be Rhel's beta. That said, I'm glad videos like this exist. Because it allows me a pseudo developer to know where to steer my efforts.
CentOS used to be the leader in very specific nieche in Linux community it was known and had reputation for. IBM took CentOS away from that nieche also making huge reputational damage, which basically means CentOS is commercially dead now and will never see the same amount of installations as it used couple years back.
@@snowmean1 To be fair the community did next to nothing to help CentOS's team of three developers. It was estimated that less than 3% of the userbase contributed upstream to CentOS or rhel. Giving IBM reason to wonder why it would be worthwhile to keep the project running as it was. In the end they made the decision anyone who just spent a bunch of money to buy a business would do.
I remember having similar issues with Windows back then. I have a clean install running right now and I'm pretty sure stuff are going to get buggy after like a year. The only reason I'm not using linux is because of gaming and the fact that you always have to fix stuff and I really value my time. I hope Linux becomes more user friendly in the future so I can stop using this shitty OS (Windows).
12:03 There is a solution for this for KDE and it's actually very simple. The steps will be as follows: Open /etc/environment with nano (or any cli, gui text editor) as root and add the following: KWIN_X11_REFRESH_RATE=144000 KWIN_X11_NO_SYNC_TO_VBLANK=1 KWIN_X11_FORCE_SOFTWARE_VSYNC=1 Since your main panel is 165 Hz, replace 144000 with 165000. Next step is to open OpenGL Settings in nvidia-settings and disable: 1- Sync to VBlank 2- Allow Flipping After this process, restart your system. Your problem will be fixed. I tried this and my problem was fixed. If you see tearing on the second screen, you need to enable Force Full Composition Pipeline in nvidia-settings. NOTE: These operations are valid for KDE and X11. As far as I know there is no problem with Wayland.
My man! Welcome to the Linux world, it's not perfect and you may or not go back to Windows, but the feedback provided here is of immense value. Thanks for the great content!
"It's not perfect" Oh STFU. Had 1% of these problems been encountered on a Windows PC, you Linux idiots would have declared the "end of Windows!" and "total victory for now and all time!" over the evil empire! 😆 Instead, THIS is the REAL experience people have with desktop Linux: it's insanely buggy, freezes a ton, basic needs doesn't work or works poorly, and what you need isn't there or is very primitive. Yet, as he said, these massive problems are glossed over and ignored (and so never fixed) because, for the Linux community, public appearances are more important than actually not sucking for 98% of users. It's like Linux is like the Soviet Union of operating systems!
Suurepärane video; I'm glad you gave Linux an honest shot and shared your experience with the world, as it spreads the word and also helps the foss communities know which pain points still need work on for the average user. The Linux desktop is definitely not for everyone (yet), but the freedom and community it brings is awesome, so it's great to see you try and explore how it works for your workflow and needs, and I encourage others to try the same.
The absolute best way to learn Linux is whack it on either a machine you can spare or a used older machine - leaving Windows on your main machine. Don't dual boot because if something goes wrong you aren't motivated to fix it you can just boot into Windows. I did this for 2 years and found I would use the Linux more and more over time just for fun and now I've got to the point that I only use Arch based systems and only use Windows for gaming. I did game on Linux for half a year but it's not there yet and there's no point pretending it is. For everything but gaming, Linux is far, far superior in almost every way. Thanks to Steam Deck though....Linux gaming is coming for ya. Run.
TBH I think it has less to do with "don't mention the issues outside the community" (though there's certainly some of that) and it's more when you've been in the community long enough you're used to it and you'll either learn the tricks to mitigate your issues or decide they're not a big deal and just put up with it. In large part it's just the nature of being immersed in something for a while; you'll inevitably get blind spots about what's a pain point for someone new. All told, while the new user experience in Linux has made great strides in recent years, there's definitely still work to be done.
The ending point was really well put, I daily drive Linux, but I have issues where it feels like most applications don't use the most of my hardware, and I do have quite a few bugs. It's far from a perfect experience, but I feel like I really own my computer. It's gotten to the point where when I had to use Windows for awhile due to my main PC temporarily being dead and then left with just my laptop, it didn't feel like the laptop was mine, the constant ads on my home screen, telemetry being taken, and things changing and updating without my consent, when I finally went back It felt like physically coming home after being away for awhile.
you're all a bunch of weirdos. you can modify windows to disable telemetry and ads, and you can turn off updates permanently with reg-edit, and install a firewall that doesn't allow any data to go outside your PC except what you want. it takes less time to do this with Windows than installing pretty much anything on Linux.
Very often these "Linux vs Windows" discussion are based on the assumption that you can only use one OS, have to stick with it and you can't use the other anymore. I am using DualBoot with Ubuntu and Windows for ~15 years and i honestly don't want to stick to just one, because there are things that are easier on Ubuntu and other things that work much better on Windows. On Ubuntu, i program, listen to music, surf the web, play some games etc. On Windows, i do everything related to Video/Sound editing and play MP-Games. I would never program with Windows, but Video/Sound editing is just atrocious on Ubuntu. There are some minor drawbacks with DualBoot (more diskspace used for the OSes, sometimes rebooting is necessary), but both OSes are good, have smooth workflow for some processes but absolutely suck for other stuff. I just use the best OS for the task at hand.
that only works if you aren't using OS specific features a lot, once you get used to some conveniences you won't be able to live without them, once your muscle memory becomes your second nature even slight change of behavior causes pain
Welcome to the Linux side of things. I have been dual booting Linux/Windows for about 5 years until I switched to 100% linux about 2 years ago. Yes, Linux still has lots of issues on the desktop experience and they can be a pain. Although I found that sometimes if you kinda think differently than you did on Windows to solve an issue, it becomes much easier since most of the time you just need a fresh eye on things.
This video sums up a lot of the issues I've been having with Linux or its community (/cult). I want it to succeed and replace Windows. However, the few times I did try to switch, I ran into so many issues that don't appear too big, but they add up over time. I constantly find myself googling, troubleshooting and tweaking to get something new to work, and every so often, it breaks a lot of old things that used to work. Multiple monitors have always been an issue to me. One tiny incompatibility, like your video codecs, can force me to keep a dual boot with Windows, and eventually I just move back to Windows to save myself the hassle. Sooner or later, I run into roadblocks that no amount of obscure tweaking can fix. Then, all internet advice you'll find is lengthy philosophical arguments about how you and your use case is stupid anyway and how Linux SHOULDN'T support it. The end result is that the average user sticks with Windows.
I havent had many issues and I run arch, but i kust agree with you about elitism of the linux community and its fear of change. I recently requested better support for legacy graphics cards and got flamed for suggesting it and people saying that I should contribute the code myself (I would if I could program) - the ironic thing is that these people dont realize that such attitudes hinder adoption by pissing off other users and also by preventing those with older hardware from switching as its not supported.
@@AndRei-yc3ti Yeah I've come across that too though I have to say that Solus Mate has worked great for my 80 year old mum who was getting fed up with Windows: If you can set up a computer for a total beginner, its actually much easier for them to use than Linux and less problems you need to help them with in my experience...
@@AndRei-yc3ti you have editors, compilers and linkers and that's all you need in order to program. Well, that and a computer. Attitude is irrelevant. Everyone that should run Linux will run Linux. We've been doing just fine for the past 3 decades with less than 2% of the market share. It's quality that counts not quantity. Chumps can go run something else.
I had many of the same weird issues when I first tried Linux.. I started with Ubuntu and stayed all Ubuntu based. It wasn't until I went to Manjaro KDE that things started working really good and easy, but its still like rolling the dice depending on what hardware you have. Currently using mainly Fedora, trying to learn it since I've been using Arch, and seriously considering using Fedora for long term now. Its been running great... less issues than running Arch, but more than when I used Manjaro KDE (that was really so simple). With just same slightly more experienced Linux knowledge I am surprised how good Fedora runs. I had enough bad time with Ubuntu and Mint... I'll never use anything Ubuntu based, and probably not even Debian based at all.
I've recently switched to Linux and did not have issues of your magnitude despite also having a Nvidia GPU, but yes it takes some time, dedication and trial and error to get things working on a multi monitor setup. For the people who are stuck with windows, one thing that makes software management less painful is to use winget, scoop or chocolatey. They're like package managers for windows and winget is from Microsoft itself. Using that my Windows experience generally was very good - things worked fine for the most part, which is surprising because I ran a windows that started as Windows 7 and got upgraded to 8 then 8.1, then 10 without a re-install. However with windows 10 MS has started treating my PC like they own it. After they installed unwanted cloud related software on my OS that it refused to let me uninstall (though I managed eventually by uninstalling some kind of "experience package") and increasingly worsen their user agreement that you can't opt out of, I've decided that this is where we parted ways.
I know this is an old video, but I just wanna say: that lag with obs open was a bug with nvidia accelerated windows (now I'm not sure if it is gnome issue since you had it on xfce as well) and is the reason why I was avoiding gnome for so long. I can happily say that it's now fixed and I've been running gnome on wayland with almost no issues for a few months (my issues are really really specific due to the nature of my hardware that is technically not supported by wayland yet)
To the desktop freezing without the cursor getting stuck, that's a pretty common issue I think mostly GNOME has (Pop_OS! and Ubuntu use it Linux Mint's Cinnamon is derived from it) because of its architecture or so. I have experienced that a high RAM usage can cause those issues pretty quickly because Linux doesn't order the DE as high as the programs themselves.
9:55 So, I run Linux and I just tried doing the same thing - resizing a browser and moving it around quickly. The window itself resizes smoothly with no discernible lag, and I can also smoothly move it around. The content itself does take a moment to re-render, as can also be seen in the video. I don't know what you tried in the past, but I am going to blame the desktop environment that Pop!os uses for this. Admittedly, I use i3 which is incredibly lightweight, but clearly it can be done better.
Very nice video! A bit of a longer read: I've been daily driving linux for over 2 years now and i'm very happy with it but i can totally understand that it's not for everyone and there are many issues. The main one and probably the root cause of most of your problems are nvidia drivers (i'm on amd and never had desktop responsiveness issues even on different distros) I've also had many annoying problems with my old windows install, and windows updates alone was enough of a reason for me to switch, but not everyone can just do it. As you mentioned linux is also a hobby, a community and a philosophy and even if you're willing to drop windows, you have to invest some time and effort to get linux up to a point where it's daily driveable smoothly and some things are still not really possible even with much effort (professional video editing e.g. which thankfully i don't need). I'm personally a big fan of manjaro + kde (i use arch btw) and the AUR is such a big plus in my opinion. Also the archwiki is probably one of the best documentations of anything on the entire internet, not only for arch. If you're interested, it has many guides, including one to set up japanese input on linux which i can really recommend. Keep up the amazing work and looking forward to the next video!
I'm baffled by some of Windows' issues as well. How do you ruin a calculator program? I recently had it do a thing where it was responsive but it had Nintendo Switch's joycon drift and kept going to the right, no matter how many times I closed and reopened the program. Also, thanks so much for including the song selection in the description
Fun fact: resizing a terminal window works along a grid. If you're resizing horizontal, the terminal becomes 1 character longer and vice versa. If vertical, the window becomes 1 line taller, and so on.
I've been daily driving Linux for a couple of years now. Mainly because I like tiling window managers and I love to keep my system minimal and to know what runs on my pc. Video editing is my biggest struggles I am trying to make my own video editor now as I can't find any other solution. Linux is really not fr everybody and there are still a ton of problems. What the community should d is first fcus on 1 distribution and a handful of desktop managers and make those as solid as windows and then we can start recommending more people to use linux.
I definitely agree with you on focusing on one distro. In my opinion the main problem with why Linux is extremely difficult to become mainstream and popular among the average user is precisely the reason why most Linux users use Linux right now; decentralized, and extremely personalized experiences where the user has total control and responsibility over the system. When you uphold personalized experiences like most Linux distros does, that means you're offering users something specific and more constrained to a specific use case, limiting bloat. This is in direct conflict with Windows' general and standardized experience that a lot of people complain as bloaty, but that's also why most users who couldn't care less about bloat and just want a comfortable system to browse/write documents on choose Windows: you get what you expect, straight out of the box, even if you also get a lot of other things that you don't need. Basically, the reason why Linux struggles to get popular traction is because it's principles directly contradicts with popular usage. Which is fine, I love Linux for what it is and I basically use it daily alongside Windows with WSL, but you can't hope for Linux to be popular while at the same time gate keeping it to stay as it is.
I started using Linux on my laptop a year ago. It starts with what you have experienced. Distro hopping. I started Ubuntu didn't like the "stable" aproach, gone with Manjaro which stopped working after two months and I'm using Fedora since then. Didn't have any issues with it. I leave my laptop sleep (powered off, not in sleep) unused for 1-3 weeks, it wakes up, updates quickly and works like a charm.
Dang, these are a lot of issues with Linux (and initially Windows). I totally get, why it is not the best choice for you. I use linux because of ethical and security reasons - and as my daily driver it fits perfectly without issues at all. But my hardware isn't top notch (Intel 8th gen Laptop and 11th Gen gaming machine with nVidia 3060, 60 frames screens), so I got nothing to worry about. There are issues with some applications and hardware specifications. It's def a dealbreaker and needs to be fixed. But it seems, that the majority of users do not run into such heavy problems. Especially, when it's just sufing, mailing and streaming machine.
Great video! Linux isn't for everyone and for everything, but it has improved a lot in the past few years in my opinion. I switched my laptop fully and my desktop dualboots fedora with windows and it works pretty well for me, although i have an AMD card. The freeze you experienced could be NVIDIA being stupid as well since i had that happen when i was running NVIDIA and now that i have an AMD card it doesn't happen anymore, but i guess there isn't a way to know fully
Hi, just another Linux user here. :) If you have time - you might try Fedora Silver Blue, specially crafted for workstation use and has extra features that allow you to just rollback update with a single command or reinstall OS without touching personal files and configurations. Also, give a Gnome DE a try - since it's most polished of all DE's. In my Linux journey this is the least hassle and most workflow friendly distro.
I have never really had a problem with windows but always wanted to try Linux as a main os who knows one day I might be as brave as you and give it a try😂
The experience that you will end up really depends on your hardware. The issues that the author of the video for example, are mostly because of the nvidia drivers not working properly. I have an Intel Thinkpad and no distro (except pop os) was as terrible as in the video (quite the opposite actually, although my workflow is different for sure).
my biggest advice for you would be to make sure windows and linux run on separate drives. windows does NOT play nicely with other operating systems on the same drive, even if you partition everything properly. i had to go through that hassle and i want to make sure that doesnt happen to you too lmao
I recommend you to avoid Nvidia, realtek and broadcom. Much healthier for your mental health. More than half of the issues on this video is because of Nvidia not cooperating with linux community.
It's so fun watching you starting out! Reminds of me X^D. When I first started I had so much problems lmao. But I find it fun to learn, so it wasn't a problem. Now I'm happy with a beautiful system that looks and behaves exactly like I want it to! (Though I hard reset every once in a while to try something different lol) I guess to me it's fun! Just learning the command line is absolutely pure joy. Unbricking my laptop years ago felt magical (thank you random people on stackoverflow!)... Thankfully I don't need Windows these days, and I think it was really worth it sticking around even after so many problems with linux (and there were many, yes). But it paid off! To me at least; of course everyone will have their own experiences :).
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As long time Linux user I can't deny the issues you're experiencing. In your case they're a result of xorg being outdated and Nvidia's longstanding refusal to make Wayland work and having no open source driver. Luckily those are changing. Wayland finally fixed the the outdated compositing issues, Nvidia finally turned around on supporting wayland and even started an open source driver. Now currently none of these changes are fully completed yet but it's improving rapidly and I hope that within a year the Linux desktop will be as nice too nvidia users too. Currently AMD works pretty much perfect with even multiple refresh and VRR working. You'll probably want to stay on the latest releases of distros at least to have access to the newest developments.
Glad to hear that, sounds promising!
You're absolutely spot on. Well said. NVIDIA are the real dicks here. @Livakivi Fedora Workstation dude.
@@Livakivi You can actually run a Wayland session of Gnome with Nvidia drivers and have it work relatively well.
Fedora 36 does this by default. I'm running it right now and it's super smooth, the only issue I've had it that the Spotify app flickers on occasion if I'm not focused, but that doesn't really hinder me at all.
Right now Gnome seems to be the only desktop environment that can run Wayland on Nvidia relatively well, KDE's implementation is still iffy, even on AMD/Intel.
@@Livakivi If you can, just change to an AMD graphics card and most GUI issues should be gone. I had the same problem
I just ditched my NVIDIA card for AMD. And games just work perfectly, out of the box, regardless of Wayland or Xorg.
Also, for typing non-English language, I use ibus.
Proton "lag spikes" are pretty normal for first time runs because it's building a shader cache. Those disappear with time because it preloads shaders on successive runs. EDIT: This commend is old and no longer applies for most games and GPU drivers.
I am really interested, can you show me where one can learn these things.
@@magmacodes9143 same
@@steins1457 couldn't say it better myself
i guess vulkan does that and DX doesn’t
@@joechristo2 DX12 does it too, that's why you get shader compilation stutter in a lot of games. Proton converts the DX draw calls to Vulkan draw calls, which has another system using SPIR-V instead of compiled HLSL or something like that. There's simply an extra step, but it only needs to be done once per shader really. Once the shader has been compiled and has been cached (again, not unique to Vulkan. Proton just has another step from a DX game) these games are pretty fast and sometimes faster than on Windows.
The stutter in that 2D game I wouldn't attribute to shader compilation though. Sooner to networking or file I/O.
Switched to linux 1-2 years ago.. well.. it took me smth like 5 attempts to get it working but after that everything ran smooth as butter for me... Every issue i encountered while using linux has been solved so far and personally I dont feel like going back to windows ever again
I switched in 2015, I'm a backend dev and I STILL have issues.
That was one of the things that caused me to switch in 2019.
Issues with windows, that I literally had no easy way of fixing
Yea so far for me Linux is sufficient for my needs I really have no desire to use windows or osx I switched a while ago though.
Once you get used to it, it's great. It helps to have a familiar DE like KDE
@@ekksoku Switched a year ago.
Everything runs fine, untill some bug comes along.
These go all the way from graphical driver errors all the way to kernel issues.
This has happened on so many occasions that a more linux experienced friend has labeled my desktop as 'haunted' :P
I started using Linux during COVID (probably mid 2020) when a windows update almost made me fail a college exam when a system update promptly started and locked me out of the PC. Haven’t switched back since, I’m loving Linux more and more as time goes on lol.
Long story short for the Windows update thing, just as I was pressing enter to submit my answers on Zoom, the update prompt appeared, stole the focus from Zoom and was the one to register the enter press 🙃. Cue 5 seconds later to a completely locked PC
Typical windows experience
@@carleynorthcoast1915 that has never happened to me. I used to see how but now I think windows wont restart unless you do it yourself but the problem with that is people don't restart their machines. then different distros then on top of that now if I want to use linux i have to worry about x11 or wayland its like too much i would deal with random reboots and do my due diligence in making sure your computer is UpToDate before a major exam rofl, than run a gimped experience because i have a computer with Nvidia Graphics and well driver support from nvidia is crap.
I have something similar yesterday during a bank wire... it has made twice.
I can't put up with windows more
I had something annoying similar happen which made me switch to Linux. I am in welding school for a federal contractor (already been to school for a metallurgy degree, this was offered to me when I was hired and of course I said yes for the certifications). I brought my monster gaming PC and my Linux PC (as I have been experimenting with Proton and my Steam account), updated to Win 11, had issues with some games, went back to Win 10, I didn't realize their cloud storage was now turned on by default...I ran Win 10 for about 7 years and NEVER dealt with the cloud (I have 39tb storage in total between 2 computers and external hard drive). Needless to say, I had a text file where I had spent about 2 hours organizing assignments (as we had about 25 to 30 to finish with tests), PDF files from canvas, all assignments were organized (spent the time to see what I had done and what needed to be done, in alphabetical order, was very tedious). The folder was GONE...I panicked (but had backup in my email of the text files, but not the one I spent all the time on). It was stored in one drive, and the text file was DELETED. I was nearly "out of storage"...BS. Uninstalled that nonsense, disabled it, but I know how this goes. It is probably still running somewhere in the background. I spent a weekend removing all photos, music, records, emails, all put in LInux MInt for safe keeping. Now daily driving MInt, have a custom Kernel, games work, Fruity Loops installed, I am LOVING Linux and learning the command line. Kiss my ass Microsoft...I don't trust them to just leave my computer the hell alone, but Tux will leave my computer alone.
Do people not update their computers until the last minute? Dude just update and shutdown when you get off the pc.
Welcome to the cult, we have adorable penguins and people eating things off of their feet. It's nice over here
I hope they wash their feet regularly
lol it's Brodie in the comment section of a random video I got recommernded
@@DavidJonSpem I've known Livakivi since his channel only had a few thousand subs
No, you are using the wrong distro. Mine is the one and only true one. We are the true followers of Lord Torvalds. Vegan meat tastes better. I love your comment and your channel.
Linux cult have soda and chips after each meeting. Windows haves a force update why having a meeting:)
10:03 Literally no one believed me when I said, when using X11 desktop sessions, XFCE/GNOME/Cinnamon all LAGGED while KDE despite being more complex ran the least worst. I can't thank you enough for pointing this out.
Have u tried LXDE??
soon POP os will have their own DE called Cosmo or something, done by themselves (devs)
LXQT is really good one
@@TonyStark-xp2tdmate, if kde runs the best, an even lighter desktop environment will not run better
@@aqua-bery not??
Your level of productivity and the amount of activities/hobbies is really very astonishing.
I've been using Linux since 1995 and have identified several shortcomings. I didn't make a video pointing those out, I fired up my development system and had a wonderfully good time making changes to the free and open source code. The development community loves a challenge when they feel appreciated. Too many times my efforts were not received with admiration and appreciation but with dismay and even disrespect for not solving someone else's problem in a timely matter if at all. I'm willing to help those that help themselves and I remind the others that we creators are happy if you are happy using another operating system. Welcome to Linux!
You are a legend mate, I feel like I got it super easy compared to you guys who started early on.
It is mostly NVIDIA drivers which causes issues with linux, the often need some thinkering. Most opensource software is written with Mesa drivers in mind which is what all opensource graphics drivers use. NVIDIA howerever use their own graphical stack which can be problematic. NVIDIA is moving towards opensource drivers which might resolve most of these issues in the future. I appreciate the honesty in this video:) I am using linux for more than 15 years on the desktop and i am the first to admit that the linux community is way to defensive and has a hard time to deal with criticism.
i have a nvidia 1660ti and i dont have any of these issues at all, i think his driver is royally messed up
have nvidia 2070s and i literally had to use a single command to install drivers and everything worked perfectly :) I was pleasantly suprised.
Running on Ubuntu 22.04
It's not "open source software", it's "free software".
I have an AMD card and despite asking several support servers nobody was able to help me fix my 240hz monitor only working when i disable my secondary 60hz monitor
There's Nvidia proprietary drivers (closed source) which are only released by Nvidia and there are open source drivers. Closed source is mostly better performance BUT if you have an issue, don't cry to the open source community - they cannot fix this, only Nvidia can. And that's why Nvidia is trash.
9:02 - those 'lag spikes' are a proton thing. They're processing/caching shaders. It's more prevalent when you first install and run the game, but the more you play, the less frequent they get. Linux is definitely a better experience over Windows on older hardware, ESPECIALLY with spinning disk drives. (Windows likes to use 100% disk, 100% of the time, for absolutely no reason, even on fresh installs). For someone like myself on a 10 year old laptop with ancient Nvidia GPU and spinning HDD, Linux is a HUGE upgrade over Windows, because it's had time to develop. On newer workflows (high refresh rate dual screens are still not super common) work still needs to be done.
One thing I noticed with my older hardware is that dxvk uses a LOT of video RAM. To the point that I have to disable it for some games to avoid lag.
A notable example here is Potion Craft. A really lean game, but it maxes out my 4GB of VRAM if I run it with default settings. Turning off DXVK and it uses only a couple hundred MB, which is what I would expect.
I suspect it uses the same low amount of VRAM on Windows, so this is clearly a problem when running it on Linux, but on better hardware you wouldn't even notice.
@@Yotanido Have you tried running the game in DX11 mode to see if that changes anything?
Absolutely no reason he says. Actually has 2 reasons.
And you will only have to render each animation once ever and steam even shares the result of the rendering to the cloud so for future gamers the shader will be loaded before the games loads up (the shader-pre-caching popup).
That means when a game is very laggy for u on proton, you are likely one of the first to play it on linux (or the game got a huge update recently) and make the game way smother for next players. Thats why these lag spickes arent such a problem on popular games since steam has implemented this.
By experiencing this spike, youre doing a service to the community.
I run a triple monitor setup (1080p 60Hz in portrait, 1440p ultrawide 100Hz, 1600p 60Hz screen tablet) on a fairly modern machine and never had any problem whatsoever, at least on Wayland. Doesn't mean there are no issues though. If you run Gnome on Wayland, VR headsets don't work for example, and neither does Freesync (unless you run a patched window manager). So yeah, there's still room for improvement.
As a user who picked up Linux this year, I definitely had a couple of issues in the beginning, but since overcoming them it's been pretty much smooth sailing for the past few months and I've really come to prefer it to Windows. I had considered recommending it to a friend but he doesn't even know what an operating system is and I don't think he has the time or the patience to put into learning it.
I used to think the same way.
But then, talking to a friend over a pint of beer, he asked me what I'd been up to, and I told him that I was upgrading my OS. "Which one?", he asked. So I explained that I ran Linux, which is an alternative to Windows.
I thought he was just indulging "the nerd" and pretending to be interested, whilst actually not really caring about operating systems. You know, like most normal people.
But he was paying attention because the next time I saw him, he asked me to make him an install CD for Ubuntu. So I did and he used that to install Linux on an old laptop. His reasoning was that the laptop was old and wouldn't be good enough to upgrade to the latest Windows, and he had a newer laptop with the latest version of Windows anyway.
Basically, this old laptop would just have been thrown out. So there was no impediment to giving Linux a try on it. If it doesn't work out then, ah, it was going to be thrown out regardless. But if it does work, then that's saved the old laptop from the dump for at least a few years.
He installed it and was perfectly happy with it. He's been regularly telling me his tales of using Linux.
On the back of this, when Microsoft brought XP to "end of life", my mother had a little netbook. It's a deliberately underpowered machine, of course, being a netbook - which are cheap and small, but get basic "Internet and email" stuff done - and so there's doubts that it could be upgraded to a newer version of Windows.
So, again, it was a case of "might as well try Linux, because this machine is destined for the skip anyway". If it works, then it's saved from being thrown out for a few years. If it doesn't, then it was going to be thrown out anyway.
Again, to my surprise, my mother - who's in her 80s - got along just fine with Ubuntu Linux. She's still using it and got that netbook to this day - and actually kind of prefers it to her full-blown Windows laptop, which is only used for printing and video conferencing, just because it's got a bigger nicer display on it. Everything else is happily done on her Linux netbook.
Yes, she actually prefers the modified GNOME experience you get with Ubuntu's "Unity" to the Windows desktop. Because it gets out of the way and lets you just do your work.
After this, I've re-assessed things.
Despite the established wisdom, Linux is not intrinsically hard. At least not any modern user-friendly distro, like Ubuntu or Mint.
Whilst there are command lines and configuration files, these days it's perfectly possible to treat Linux as you would treat Windows - just accept the desktop environment "as is" and don't try to customise or optimise it. Just accept the "out of the box" experience as it comes - exactly like you do with Windows, mainly because, with Windows, you don't really have any alternative choices, when there is only one desktop and you can't mess with the configuration, as it's not exposed to the user.
In this context, Linux is perfectly usable by "normies" and it isn't hard for them. In fact, I've had reports of such people preferring the simplicity of Ubuntu's interface to Windows. They actually like it better, and it - amusingly - causes them less problems.
I think a problem with Linux - that's earnt it this "Linux is hard" reputation - is that, yes, historically, it actually was hard, requiring the command line to make things work. But that's not been the case for a long, long while now. You can do all the same basic stuff that you can do on Windows through the GUIs provided - so if that's all you're interested in, then there's essentially little difference. It looks different, but that isn't necessarily a bad thing - and every upgrade of Windows makes it look different anyway, so what's the difference?
If you have friends who're in a similar not-mission-critical position - an old laptop that's going to be thrown anyway, so there's no harm in trying - then try recommending it as a means to save an old laptop from the skip for a few more years. You could quite well be as surprised as I was that, actually, it all goes just fine and they might even become Linux converts, preferring it to Windows.
As a "power user" myself, then you tend not to think of these things. When I get Linux installed, I'm wanting to install the latest graphics drivers and mess with configuration files, and customise the desktop to exactly my tastes - I dive into "the hard stuff" straight away, as Linux, being open, happily lets me customise and configure it to within an inch of its life (heck, if I want to change the source code directly, I actually can! Not that you'd do that for any trivial reasons, though).
But, ah, if you treat it like you'd treat Windows - just accept what you're given "out of the box" and don't mess with it - then it really is perfectly comparable to Windows. Different, but not worse for it (and sometimes better, as these old laptops seemingly run faster, just because Linux demands less resources to run).
@@klaxoncow honestly the main problem with Linux is hardware tweakers aren't anywhere near as readily available as software tweakers
I run a fucked up version of KDE with global menus and things designed to be as pixel efficient as possible, with a side of 'distant relative to the mac'
I set that up in 10 minutes, and recolored the ENTIRE OS in another 20
there's no MSI afterburner, I can't overclock my AMD GPU, come on, Linus Unix, I like every form of Unixlike (yes even apple mac) and yet the seeming lack of hardware tweaking compared to Windows is honestly kind of sad, it works well with Apple computers but my desktop ain't a mac, I should be able to optimize the hardware as much as I have the software experience
in that sense the various Unixes are actually more 'out of the box' then Windows is because of how set in stone things like speedshift are
@@supercellex4D you can probably overclock it from the terminal tho
@@urimc I've tried, the registers things like throttlestop use don't even have command like utilities available, which is a pain in the ass for laptop users who do need to undervolt for maximum performance
I usually watch your content for your Japanese studies but I've recently gotten into trying Linux and it has lead me back to your channel again and it just makes me happy being back here.
I started using Linux about 2 years ago because I wasn't satisfied with how much you can customize Windows. I saw few posts on reddit showing off their linux desktops and I thought "I have to try it. Maybe I can make a perfect desktop for myself".
At first I ran at few issues, so I definitely wasn't even trying to daily drive it. But whenever I had a little bit of time I was searching for solutions to this issues etc. I learnt a lot of new things that way and after a while I found myself really enjoying using Linux. I spent less and less time using Windows. Now I haven't booted into Windows in quite some time. I still do that once every few months when I want to try some new game that isn't yet supported by proton but I really don't do that often.
I never had any major issues or complaints with Windows then but now when I open it I can't stand ads, lack of privacy, dubious design choices, forced browsers etc.
There is still an effort to be made when switching to Linux but with every year desktop experience become more and more user friendly. And I have to say that it is worth the effort.
Also if you're a programmer there is no better option. When I requested Linux laptop at my work I never knew how much easier things will become. For example having two version of python installed at the same time is as simple as just installing specific version and then calling it from terminal while on windows I had to use some weird script to change PATH...
As for gaming every game I play works perfectly. (Sometimes even better than on Windows, since proton talks better with older versions of DirectX than windows...). It's true that some games aren't playable on Linux because some developers decided to implement pesky anti-cheats that just won't work with proton. But that too is beginning to change with the release of steam deck.
As for Japanese I followed one guide I found on r/LearnJapanese and I can switch keyboards really easy with chosen key shortcuts.
こんにちは。いいビデオです。お疲れさまです
TL;DR. Linux at the moment might not be the easiest experience but it's a rewarding one and worth it imo. Good luck!
What you call a weird PATH script in reality is just a way for windows to map an alias (for example python-{version-x}) to the path for the executable. It just tells the shell where to look when you or the os requests python-{version-x}. This can be done manually in like 2 steps, but I wouldn't blame anyone for not knowing this. I think when choosing the best os for you it comes down to what you are more comfortable with/eager to learn the most about.
I think you made a good point here. People who expect Windows experience in Linux are more likely to go back. The true power of linux is flexibility, so those who eger for building more productive desktop environment and don't afraid to invest some time into it will get hugely rewarded. After around couple decades I spend on Linux the Windows desktop cause nothing but pain to me, and my productiviy just sinks.
I can recommend you Ameliorated, if you want to play windows games that dont run through proton yet, because it is completely stripped down, with almost no components that collect your data ^^
>while on windows I had to use some weird script to change PATH...
changing PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH to run an alternative version of a program that you didn't install and just put in some folder is also a typical way how to do it on Linux ...
As a long term Linux user (no seriously, my last Windows was XP) I gotta say: Good job. Seldom that I see such a well documented test run with clear goals in mind and _not_ using a toaster to "test" how this may perform. Oh and the issues you addressed are all so very true. For me the pain stopped when I ditched nvidia and went amd two years ago but I understand that this is not an option for everyone because of Cuda (tho h265 is coming up right now for me too :D)
It’s also a big issue because of cost, even though I hate windows I’m not going to just ditch my perfectly working Nvidia GPU for an AMD one, which will require additional hardware other than the GPU itself
For me if I were to do that I’d be spending almost as much as a MacBook Air and I’d rather get a MacBook Air over upgrading my pc.
Nvidia now supporting open-source drivers is a huge step forward, and I can’t wait to see how it’ll go, god I can’t wait to ditch windows for Linux or macOS
@@liamsz Why do you think you can't just switch from an nvidia GPU to a AMD GPU? They both use and need PCI-E so there is no hurdle. (and PCI-E is up and down compatible)
I've had good luck with integrated Intel and AMD. Not much issue with Nvidia so far either. My current machine has integrated Intel graphics and it plays games just fine.
Windows Xp wow!
@@Lotanna20 More like Windows XP SP2 🙃
Honestly, the windows 11 experience is what drove me to install Linux and start using it as my daily driver. I've been using mint for a few months now, and it does everything I need it to more efficiently than windows did. That being said, it's no walk in the park to get things set up properly and it actually took me a full on month just to figure out how to use the terminal effectively. It's actual work to use Linux but it's work I'm willing to do because I am so sick of Microsoft.
Edit: I think it is important to temper expectations about Linux better however. I had a friend who used to talk about how it's so much better in every way which is completely untrue. It just has a very supportive and friendly community that can help you solve nearly any issue you encounter. That community is also working constantly to improve the entire experience for everyone.
An actual based linux user has been spotted
So windows 11's philosophy indeed succeeded, it brought you closer to what you love!
@@pulkitsukhija LOL
Keep working at it and if you are capable you may find that your friend was right all along. But I'm not going to tell you that it is easy. Because for most folks it isn't. The Linux rabbit hole goes all the way to the bottom if you're brave enough to go there yourself.
It's been a year since you wrote this. Do you think I as a complete Windows user could swap to something like Linux mint, and do the following with absolutely 0 headaches: Play WoW, CSGO, OSRS, and Monster hunter on steam, browse the web with firefox, all while having Nvidia hardware?
Every Linux bro waiting anxiously to see what distro the new user is gonna choose
@MrSagarcool14 No one into tech will stay with mint
@@um8078im new to linux, do u recommend Debian 12 with KDE installed? Or other distros? I have used mint before but after sometime it was a bit limited
Me when I found out about Cachy: 😃
@@um8078 you're clueless bro not everyone has time to maintain distros like arch, gentoo, etc
@@exaq yeah but they definitely has time for Fedora, Debian etc
As a long time linux user (literally first OS I've ever used), I always fail to understand newbies problems, a lot of them online seem to come with a good amount of cynicism so it's hard to actually understand even when they actually have a real issue. This video is one of the very few where I understood everything not only because you did your own research (I'd say you know more than me) but you've also explained pretty well what you wanted and possibly why it failed to deliver. With that said I'll just drop a few words about some issues you came across that I've personally come across or I know why they are like that.
- kdenlive audio issue is because of a missing dependency in the audio stack, you'll have to search for the package name depending on the distro but it should be something along the lines of pipewire-pulse pipewire-jack and pipewire-alsa (In case you're using a distro that's moving forward with the newer technologies, in this case pipewire)
Reason is some distros don't ship it by default since currently the entire linux world is kind of in limbo of going wayland + pipewire or staying with x11 + pulseaudio
- Nvidia in general is going to be a lot of small pains and you'll probably be behind a few new techonologies that try to better pains with old ones, like x11 and multi monitor with different refresh rates being fixed on wayland. This said tho I wouldn't be surprised if windows freezing for a long time would be the same with your linux lag whenever you're using obs on wayland or dragging windows on x11, it seems like both are related in some way.
- Davinci resolve works on any distro, they just mention centOS because that's the target distro. Arch can get it working easier because they have the aur which in simple terms is "if it exists someone made a script to get it working" type of thing. Ubuntu however has a massive community and as you showed on your video they have their own way of installing it.
You can do everything on any distro, just some will have some tweaks or better support for certain things. Arch linux is the great equalizer i'd say of linux distros, they don't conform to anyone, you do you but this means nothing stops you from making it whatever you want, Ubuntu holds your hand until the very end, etc. It doesn't matter what distro you choose you can get it done.
Some are more practical than others. But if you have the time, money and motivation and multi GPU setup with Gentoo host and windows guest. Linux WILL become a great friend.
I've used Arch for many years now (and Linux for 15 years), apart from getting going (it takes days to weeks to gradually add all the components you want) it has by far the most pleasant experience with support for software and technology. Any slightly non-standard thing you want to do is met with much less friction than any other distro I've ever tried. That being said, unless you're looking to slowly learn intermediate Linux use it's one of the worst choices for beginners among the popular distros.
I know Manjaro (based on Arch) can be controversial, but having moved from a 3 year old Arch installation to attempting Manjaro again, I haven't had a single notable issue since I installed it two months ago. It has improved by leaps and bounds since the last time I tried it, I'm so impressed, the polish is second to few. With no tweaking I was able to use all my sound devices and peripherals, I can have 144hz on one screen and 60hz on the other, and I was able to run all my regular games with no additional setup. And they manage to do all this without ever feeling bloated. I can't overstate how pleased I am to see the distro go from a hacky pile of scripts to a full-fledged beginner (and novice) friendly environment. I might never go back to regular Arch for my desktop.
@@fredspipa do you use nvidia or amd for your graphics card?
@@jshroom1717 AMD 6600XT, I'm pretty sure nVidia would have more friction if I'm to judge by past experiences (and what others are currently saying).
You are the problem here. Newbies need help, not an arrogant jerk.
Finally someone who speaks from practical experience and genuine criticism based on facts rather than fandom 👍🏼 Awaiting your part 2.
Yup, good to see more people like this ; I've been experimenting with Linux, on and off for about 15 years and only started using it as a daily driver 3 years ago (when I had to ditch Win 7) and after a few weeks I realized that its best to dual boot 2 or 3 distros to avoid spending too much time trying to solve problems
Solus Mate came out top as a fast and stable daily driver that no update has ever gone wrong (fingers crossed), Mint Mate for the few things that didn't work on Solus (cups server, ie printing was one), and an Arch which I hardly ever need to resort to, but has me in useful when a Mint update messed up and had to be reinstalled: I really recommend this setup for noobs especially...
@@fiddledotgoth I'm considering testing Linux but I don't know if Pop Os will suit what I need. What do you suggest? I just want something that can have Sushi wallpaper and run mc some games, and primarily on the program side of things I need to run programs like Unity and 3D model as well as preferably studio 2.0. I also need access to a editing software and a built in screen recorder. What do you think I should go for? The laptop I'm trynna get has Windows 11 Pro prebuilt and honestly I like Windows 11 Pro 22h2 but would like to test Linux.
@@TheHolySpiritISgreat I wouldn't recommend a Windows 11 PC for running Linux, but what you can try is using an app called Rufus and a fast usb flash drive (I like Samsung Ultra Fit) to make a bootable usb drive with persistence and you'd probably want to install linux mint on that, since Unity seems to work best on Ububntu based OSs
If it doesn't boot up from usb on first try, you might need to enable usb boot and/or disble fast.secure boot in the bois first - Using a live usb to test linux means you don't need to mess with the Windows harddrive (can even remove it while testing to be sure) in order to try out linux
Otherwise I'd recommend and older PC, say 1 or 2 years old, and if you're running 3d graphical stuff on it (Im not familiar with Unity myself) and need decent graphics ability, I'd find one with good radeon or Intel graphics as they work better with linux...
@@TheHolySpiritISgreat Oh and both Mint and Solus Mate have good editing and screenrecord apps, Pop OS should be ok too and should work on persistent usb but I've never done one myself - ...
@@fiddledotgoth can they run unity?
All these issues with windows are really insane sounds horrible. But it's really weird and they must be rare because I've never had any of these issues and I've been through many many windows installs. All of the forcing you to use Microsoft account and the tracking however are extremely valid reasons for moving to Linux im learning to use Linux via my new steam decks desktop mode and it's been a decent experience so far. One thing i really like is how customizable everything is.
As soon as windows 10 support drops I’m switching to linux. If there’s a way for local accounts on windows 11 ill stay on windows.
Linux can have insane issues too. It comes with the territory when you're using computers.
@@1pcfred Let's be truly honest. All operating systems can have insane issues.
Because, you know, it's an operating system. It's a stupidly complex bit of software that, on the PC, has to cope with a truly insane amount of different hardware.
But I'd prefer Linux here, simply because the issues I see with it are related to that hardware compatibility. On Windows, it's usually related to bad programming.
For example, in this video, yes, there are frame rate issues on Linux. But these are the well-known slightly-shit nVidia drivers (which Linus Torvalds has given them the middle finger and told them "fuck you" for being so bad). The software itself is just fine (demonstrably so on AMD systems) but the hardware support is flakey.
Meanwhile, on Windows, you have some settings in "Settings" and some settings in "Control Panel". It's been like this since Windows 8. Some apps do "dark mode", others don't (which will randomly blind you, if you're using "dark mode" in a dark room and then a bright white window appears). They make some little progress each time, I guess. But what we're looking at there is simply that Microsoft shipped an unfinished OS. Extra keyboard languages? Things just locking up and freezing for stupidly long amounts of time, for seemingly no reason?
Hopefully, you get the gist of what I'm getting at.
On Linux, the issues you encounter tend to be hardware compatibility / shit or non-existent drivers - but the software itself is totally good (and on compatible hardware with good drivers, you can 100% see that).
On Windows, the problems tend to be actual bad / unfinished coding, because Microsoft doesn't give a shit and has been shipping unfinished "work in progress" stuff for multiple versions now. Windows 11 still hasn't unified "Settings" and "Control Panel" yet. "Dark mode" is still hit-and-miss. Random half-minute freezes for no apparent reason - why did that just happen? No-one knows. And, like with the extra keyboard languages, Windows is full of weird tiny little quirks like that all over the place.
And Microsoft's bad attitude in shipping this half-finished crap has been getting worse, proportional to their arrogance in installing spyware and subscription software on your machine.
With Linux, the code itself is good. Because you've got people who care, and actually use their own software, trying their best - often unpaid - just to make the best product they can (and the problems typically result from the fact that Linux doesn't automatically get drivers, as Windows does automatically because no hardware manufacturer is going to ship without Windows drivers) and true bugs are quashed quickly.
Microsoft are just counting the money and laughing: "Give them any old half-broken shit, they'll have to eat it". Yeah, the drivers are good - mainly because the manufacturers themselves make those for Microsoft, as who's going to ship hardware without drivers for the by-far most used OS? - but the software's just a half-done job from a poorly paid "code monkey" from India, as Microsoft don't care as long as the cash keeps flowing.
But, yeah, the gist of what I'm saying is that every OS has issues. Because operating systems are hard. Stupidly hard. As hard as it possibly can get.
But I'd rather issues that are genuine issues (usually to do with hardware) and potentially fixable, than issues that resulting from a big corporation, who thinks they own your machine more than you do, flatly not giving a shit to do anything beyond "ah, that'll do" passable-but-quirky, because they have your money already, so why try harder?
@@klaxoncow Linus gave Nvidia the finger because the drivers for Quadro were non-existent. Nvidia only supported their consumer graphics adapters on Linux. That would be the GT line. Plus some earlier products they made like the MX and RIVA.
The philosophy of Linux and FLOSS in general is release early and release often. That means releasing code before it is good.
Most Linux driver code is written by manufacturers today. AMD, Intel and Nvidia all make drivers for their hardware. The bulk of Linux is written by paid professionals now.
dude, every windows update feels like an assassination attempt on my PC. For 2 years after every update my PC had failed restart. One time I even had to do "manual" recovery of the system. Oh and once windows update somehow bricked my NVIDIA drives and I had a problem to restart PC in safe mode since everything was pixelated.
You didn't force yourself to use Linux. Windows forced you.
Yeah windows made him turn his os in a digital version of a demented hoarder’s apartment.
I’ve never seen an os in such a poor state ever.
@@AW00047 Not completely agreed, but really like your analogy
It seems inevitable that, given enough time, companies will get arrogant and try to squeeze their users.
@@VGamingJunkieVT companies start out trying to make the best product possible for there users, then they get greedy exploiting users for themselves and shar holders, and eventually they get so greedy that they squeeze money out of everyone and then it dies
Or buy an actual linux computer 💀 and not run it on a windows based computer
9:04 the "lag spikes" is proton building a shader cache. Also im glad to see a fellow Estonian trying out linux. It's a big pain to get into but worth it in the end.
The fact your main monitor is locked to 60hz when you turn on your second monitor is because your second monitor is 60hz, and you were using X11, which cannot do multiple refresh rates so it has to choose the highest refresh rate both monitors can use. That's why for the past 6 months or so people with multiple monitors, or planning to game on Linux have installed the Wayland port of KDE desktop, which solves that issue completely.
port? isnt kde plasma built for wayland too?
Nein. The new release early next year will be, though.
have you even finished watching the video?
The issue is that Wayland sucks. If my choice between window managers is one where multiple refresh rates are unsupported and one where discord screen sharing is unsupported, then that's kind of a really big problem.
@@ExplosiveBrohoof Wayland is great, it's just that not all that many programs and DEs support it yet, and using a compatibility layer (XWayland) will never be quite as good as the real thing, which, frankly, sucked to begin with. I expect the Wayland experience to keep getting better as more programs adapt to it. X11 is an albatross around Linux's neck, a godawful abortion of a software package designed for a very specific moment in the 1980s where businesses and scientific laboratories needed GUIs for things like computer aided design, but most workstations were too slow to natively host their own graphics so X11 let them have graphics served by a dedicated machine on the network. In 1985 this made sense, but it was already obsolete by 1990 and we have been living with the consequences of dumb architectural details of X11 for 40 years.
Woah. That kind of analytical content you simply CANNOT find easily on the internet. Thank you a lot for verbalizing some of my thoughts on Linux, at some point I even thought you were reading my mind LOL
6:30 if you'd like to know what happened here, it's because your computer has a bios setting that's wrong. Essentially, newer UEFI computers have an option to support old BIOS-only boot options, great if you'd like to go back into your old operating system after upgrading. However, this option is not fully supported and will cause installers to fail as the installer is not compatible with your PC. This is one of the few things I'd say is wrong with PC/motherboard manufacturers instead of being an issue with linux itself.
A very honest video that feels novel. Sticking with it and doing your research when you have problems is exactly the right move. You are doing something new, you have to put in work to learn it, just like you did with whatever OS you first learned. Good job!
As a 3D artist and Rust developer that daily drives Linux as my productivity machine, having to fix stuff is a reality. However, when you fix something on Linux, you never have to fix it twice- it’s an incremental relationship, so the amount of time you spend tweaking things decreases by the time, up to a point where your Linux installation requieres much less maintenance than Windows.
Further, you make your OS part of your workflow, as you can optimize Linux to fit your own dynamics and get a lot of time-saving in the long run.
Cheers!
learning how to do permanent fixes isn't a given though, i didn't know how to use startup scripts so i stopped using linux because of monitor settings not saving.
Or simply just use real os like windows and stop simping over the overrated linux crap
@@youtubeacc666 🤣🤣🤣🤣 There have been only 2 OSes that I have ever found that weren't a nightmare to use: Amiga OS and Linux.
Until you run a system update. Then is ALL FUCKED AGAIN.
@@Christobanistan Haven't run into that recently. Mint and Debian have been pretty reliable for me.
I've been using Linux for 2 months now. I finally have everything set up to be perfect and I rarely have to do anything. Once I learned the terminal everything became much clearer as well. I recommend giving it more time if you have the patience it took me 4 different attempts at trying Linux before I finally accepted it as my daily driver. I can help you with using the Japanese keyboard as well wasn't so hard to install but certainly not as easy as windows
I use arch BTW
(I don't actually)
@@austematicthatragic4352 Its Manjaro isn't it?
@@triniplayer6172 I've never used manjaro, I actually recently just switched to Garuda, they're both Arch based so very similar I think
I think anyone with familiarity with terminal should give Arch (or an Arch based distro) a shot - in my experience while it takes more time/effort to install and configure, it tends to have fewer hard to fix issues. With that said, for an Arch based distro I would strongly recommend either Endeavour OS or Garuda rather than Manjaro - Manjaro maintains it's own package repositories and frequently holds packages back, which can cause substantial problems with the AUR (user maintained packages) due to missing/out of date dependencies.
I personally use the Anarchy install scripts - closer to "pure" Arch with a lot less hassle during setup
Why would you use an operating system where you have to spend two months solving issues and learn how to use a terminal?
Thank you for a high qualiry video. Couldn't finf a video thst explains everything as good as this!
I had a much smoother transition than you seem to have. I went from win7 to Linux mint in 2020, and after some minor teething issues in the first month, Ive had zero issues. But I dont do video editing. Yes there are some draw backs, such as less software support for certain things (like BIOS updates, bespoke peripherals, RGB, and other trimmings) I find all basic functions work for me. been daily driving for 2 years now, havent had to use windows since.
Do the BIOS updates in the BIOS, which is indeed also the recommended path for Windows users, and use OpenRGB.. which I also consider a better solution then the broken bloatware the vendors ship. Video editing can suck, but Kdenlive very recently fixed support for rendering via NVENC and VAAPI and overall better rendering performance.This should really help.
Nvidia drivers are still problematic for me from time to time.. but everything else works quite smoothly.
Your video inspired me to install Linux on my low end laptop. Windows performed horribly on it and I thought maybe Linux would work better. And it certainly does! Moreover, I'm now considering buying an additional HDD for my main pc to set up a dualboot. Thank you so much for your videos!
Please, get an SSD instead of HDD, don't hinder your experience. Linux benefits from SSD just as much as Windows does.
Also, good idea you're considering a second physical drive for Linux instead of using one for both OSes: Windows can be unpredictable and depending on your setup it could lock you out of Linux on a single-drive dualboot
@@Kris-od3sj Thanks for the advice!
Never buy an HDD for OS, whatever OS it maybe. It is time to move to SSD.
A year ago I removed my Windows 7 from a 13 years old laptop and replaced it with Debian 11 Mate, it works like a charm. Of course Debian isn't a good option for beginners, but it still had support for 32 bit architecture. If your laptop is 64 bit, then literally any linux is okay to make it lightweight.
Get an SSD you can get crazy good boot times on Linux with it
As for right-click context menus closing instantly, it's actually a "feature" of Gnome where you have to hold the right-click and release for selecting a menu.
When I first got into Linux gaming I was getting super mad that it essentially would toggle aim. Took me longer than I care to admit to learn it was a Linux feature and could be turned on or off lol.
"It's not a bug, it's a feature" 😂
Yes. A Gnome desktop environment isse, because gnom e just has to be Gnome.
This is the most accurate review of linux i have ever seen, after disro swapping 100 times i can conform he is absolutly right, and there are also driver issues for laptops
Linux is not ready for everyone, It doesn't replace windows and i wouldn't recommend it for all but the most privacy concerned people, It's pretty buggy on Nvidia (which sucks cause it's most computers) and Wayland is great but plainly isn't ready and needs years development to be on par with X11 in compatibility.
That being said it works for me but i happen to have an AMD system since it's cheaper in my country and i only have one high refresh rate monitor that i never have on sleep due to preference so X11 works fine for me, I think i just happen to have the stars aligned for Linux to fit me but i hope it becomes a better experience for every case, Thanks for trying out Linux again and i hope next time the experience is good enough to stay.
Yeah
Desktop Linux is way better than it used to be.
I put Mint on a guy’s old Mac and for surfing and email he says he can’t tell the difference. He likes it
I went in with low expectations for another "Challenge" but was blown away by the quality of the video!
Even just putting the effort into troubleshooting, and explaining the X11 refresh rate problems and Wayland, was much more than I was expecting.
Really great work, it was a highly enjoyable watch.
The problem is people shouldn't be expected to do all that to get the basic functionality, even those who are willing to problem solve, sometimes they really need to get things done in a timely manner and when your OS gets in the way you tend to get pissed and uninstall.
@@ararune3734 Unfortunately that's just what Linux is. It isn't a beginner OS, and with how fragmented everything is between different groups of developers and components, it probably never will be.
Linux isn't an OS for beginners, and I'd never recommend it to them. It has a lot of problems, and it's only worth using if you're willing to work through them. Windows/Mac are fine for the vast majority of people, and that's likely the way it's going to stay forever.
@@Jacksaur_ No no, forget beginner or not, as someone using my PC for programming I also don't want to deal with unnecessary problems that prevent me from getting work done.
Linux is exactly what should be recommended for "beginners" such as people who use their PC as mostly a browser bootloader. The problem arises when your needs exceed that usage
@@ararune3734 Then many problems can similarly arise with Windows.
I'm not a full programmer, I mainly just stick shit together and hope it works. But Linux has been a far better dev environment for me than Windows. The OS doesn't actively fight to stop me from making things how I want.
It's all down to personal preference in the end.
@@Jacksaur_ I honestly wish that was the case because I prefer many things about Linux, but honestly in a matter of few weeks I've had so many little problems that accumulate and ruin my experience.
I've had file transfer randomly stop and there would be no indication if it's going to continue, sometimes it wouldn't, could leave it for hours and wouldn't move. I've had problems with all flatpak software taking way too long to start (I've solved it but still). I've had constant problems with my drivers fking up when turning on the PC, a few times I couldn't even get the image, resolution getting messed up was frequent.
I also had a problem where an update messed up something with my drive, randomly lost about 500MB of my drive getting partitioned and inaccessible only to later not be able to boot at all, reinstalling the OS didn't help so I had an all nighter fixing that when I had much more important stuff to do preparing for university.
These are a few examples in a matter of 3-4 weeks. I don't know how that compares to windows but other than 2 random blue screen of deaths that happened in a few weeks, I haven't had any problems with windows other than the fact it's not as customizable.
It really all comes down to avoiding Nvidia and knowing what you need to do with your system unless you're a gamer or a musician. When I migrated I found general purpose computing to be 10 times less hassle in Linux. Music composition apps and gaming are another story though... real learning curve there.
Well i partially agree, but nvidia doesn't provide any benefits in gaming over amd whatsoever. My friend had more driver related issues with Rtx 4070 than i had with 6900xt. I personally use dual boot on my pc. One is stripped down windows (ReviOS) with disabled telemetry, defender ,without edge and disabled updates . And other is Kali for a few reasons actually. While its popular among wanna be a hckr public as an web developer i use some pre installed apps just to test some things and second biggest reason is that it's debian. It's definitely MUCH more stable than arch and i didn't try fedora. So instead of dealing with bunch of issues dual boot is perfect combo 😅
wait, is linux not good for media creation? that's literally my main purpose for my windows machines. windows 11 sucks, win10 is certainly better but lacks certain functionality than windows 7 has, windows 7 is great but lacks support for some things that linux does support, and does linux make media creation overly complicated?
@@omnitoneyeah, especially with plugin support
A year later, does Nvidia hardware still have issues? I am considering Linux but I won't buy a new PC, thats the whole reason I'm considering coming TO Linux.
@@TehSuperHeroill reply to also get an answer as im in a similar spot (with an RTX2060)
and a stripped down Windows "Ghost"
thinking about switching to Arch (im a software engineer) I really do dig the customisability
I just recently "switched" to linux, i just find that linux as a working OS is absolutely perfect, everything is free, is super customizable and runs on anything(and thats why i was forced to switch).
Latelly ive been able to develop mobile apps on a 2008 netbook with a single core and 2gb of ddr2 ram. I can have the text editor, firefox open with like 3 tabs and the libre office open and it only uses tops of 1.3gb of ram. Crazy how a windows install by itself uses 1.9 gb ram.
Im on a minimal debian install, but tried arch and it was too much of a pain for me at the moment (i only have like 8 days of linux experience)
Have you tried the ‘archinstall’ command?
Yeah, sure...
Mf spends their rime fixing simple things than use it for work that's why a lot of Linux user is just treating it as a hobby or 2nd device.
Yeah except there's no productivity. There's constant bugs or need to install a new package and do config.
Like you can change it yourself, but on every aspect, there's productivity loss.
It's awesome to feel like hackerman. And when I was taking a course that requires programming for the linux os on a server, using it as a daily driver was fucking awesome.
But the thing is that most software available are medium sized open source with no designer, so while the code is good, it's just very unproductive to use.
Or straight up shit doesn't work bug. My machine due to driver completly broke like 6 timr and it took me days to figure it out 3 time and after that it was a repeat (Kernel bug).
I've been on arch for a while now and there's no bug.
It all comes from arch being very minimal and straight up lacking stuff.
It's ubuntu and it's packages not matching that's a nightmare. Even manually building, they give you the package quoloquial name but not the install name. So it's a nightmare to chase.
Graphics will be fucked. You will have screen tearing. The result after mutliple
Arch is really good for pacman and yay. Which will lwt you install stuff super easily. Then you have flatpak for stuff you don't want to build. And manial in really rare case.
I really recommend it. Though do not try to boot dual boot 2 linux os while sharing the same /home partition and sharing a user across os. It fucked with permission and the only solution i found makes every file executable.
Else you'd need to name all script with .sh, and know the first line for all scripts name, and you might be able to make a script that gives execute only to the right one.
Don't dual boot. You will not need ubuntu.
Backup your ubuntu somewhere and mount it if you need files.
i went from win10 to arch on my laptop and after one month of tweaking, installing software, fixing minor stuff im using it as a daily driver for college and gaming (very limited bc no gpu) and so on. It has been a really cool experience to get everything working and i havent had any issues for a long time.
i have an arch pc that is running same os for 5 years now.
So btw u use arch, i use pop and am wondering why did you make the consious decision to use it
This was pretty eye-opening. I've only used Linux on my laptop so I've never seen these kinds of Nvidia and multi-monitor issues. They would drive me crazy.
Multi-monitor issues, particularly on KDE, are absolutely crazy. I had a bug where every time I plugged my laptop into my dock, it'd delete my entire desktop layout and give me the default one again. It'd take me a good 5 minutes to set it all up again, even after I got quick at it. It's a shame since Gnome has a bunch of shortcomings that really frustrate me too (extensions are a buggy unstable mess, for example, but they're the only way to get basic features).
If there's one thing I noticed from a lot of people's experiences with Linux: if you're using Nvidia and/or a strange monitor setup like hidpi, different refresh rates, multiple monitor, or hidpi, you're going to have a bad time
I don't use any of those but when people keep saying there are no problems with Linux but then have huge compiled lists of ifs and else ifs that speaks for itself.
@@ararune3734 I don't think anybody ever says there are no problems with Linux :p
I have two monitors with different refresh rates and everything is working smooth as hell. full AMD desktop PC
I love this video, nice editing and very relatable stuff and issues.
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Linux is SO CLOSE to being ready for everyone to use, but Xorg and Nvidia are literally the biggest hold ups. I personally use Pop!_OS with KDE on Nvidia and have less issues than I did with Windows, but I has an older 980ti GPU and only 60Hz monitors. When Nvidia FINALLY supports Wayland and all those kinks are worked out, it'll finally look and feel like a proper OS for the vast majority who try it. It'll never be the most popular, but I do think it's close to finally becoming an option people actually consider
Wait until Gnome supports image previews in the file picker! That will be huge.
LOL. It doesn't?
@@aheendwhz1I'm a total Linux noob but on steam deck image previews already work. Isn't the file Explorer backend gnome in steam os?
@@lpnp9477 This year, they finally landed image previews in the file picker. This has been an open issue in their tracker since 2004 or so, and a meme therefore, but they finally fixed it!
However, I think that SteamOS, at least if you use it on the Steam Deck, ships with KDE Plasma. The KDE Plasma file picker always had image previews.
@@lpnp9477 SteamOS uses KDE, i don't know why they would ship Nautilus or the GTK file picker.
A fair, balanced, “warts and all” review of Linux. Excellent stuff.
I tried switching to Linux a while back (specifically Manjaro and Pop OS), and just... Didn't have the best luck of it. I was lucky enough to be going in with an AMD GPU, so I didn't suffer from the issues you had; what you went through sounds nightmarish to me. In particular what hurt me the most though was how most of my mainstay art programs were not available (frustratingly Clip Studio Paint is available for ChromeOS but not Linux in in general). I also just disliked how much troubleshooting I had to do in order to fix things I just took for granted on Windows. But with all that said, I still wish the best for Linux, because I'm concerned about the state of Windows too, and it's really important that this OS that truly belongs to the people exists.
The lack of good illustration apps are the reason I'm still on windows. I've mostly switched over to drawing on my iPad though, so I'll eventually swap over to Macs instead. Macos is what Linux wishes it could be anyways.
I only use Linux on old computers for basic tasks. I don't dare put Linux on a new, shiny computer. Linux's reputation has always been "we keep your old tech chugging for years after for-profit businesses stop their support."
Hello, I have a suggestion for fixing your lag on Linux. It could be the result of the OS using your Swap memory, even when it doesn't need to. Swap is typically a small amount of disk space which is partitioned to be used as backup RAM in case you run out of RAM while using Linux. It's not typically required, but can be useful on systems with low memory.
Sometimes, Swap is used even if you have free RAM, because the OS wants to free more of your RAM to use it as cache for your disk. This can result in lag spikes or stutters for your entire desktop environment, as well as any games you play. Try running the command 'htop' and seeing how much of your swap is being used. If ANY swap is being used and you have free memory, this solution could be applicable to you.
The behavior of using Swap even when you have free memory is determined by a variable called 'swappiness' which is typically set to 60 by default on many distros. You can check it by running the command 'cat /proc/sys/vm/swappiness' and you can change it with the command 'sudo sysctl vm.swappiness=X' (where X is the value you want to set it to).
I would suggest setting it to 0. If you do that, the OS will never use swap unless it absolutely has to. For me, this fixed all of my issues with lag. I have two monitors with different refresh rates as well, one is 1440p144 and another is 1080p60.
Swap, since it is on the disk rather than your RAM, is an order of magnitude (or maybe two orders of magnitude) slower than your Memory. When a program is using swap, accessing data will take much longer, thus causing major slowdowns. Not only this, but accessing the disk like that can make your CPU usage skyrocket. Once you change swappiness to 0, I think you'll notice that your machine runs much smoother, and the CPU usage goes down quite a bit.
I did not find this solution online, I came up with it based on my own tuition from using Linux for a while, and it worked for me. Perhaps it will work for you as well.
This is another reason I love the Linux experience for, the community.
Have you compared this with just using zram normally? pop os uses zram by default with a swappiness of 180 for instance
thanks man
Another Linux thing that should never, ever need to be set manually by a user, but should fully automatic by any remotely decent OS.
well... there ya go. I just set my swappiness to zero and what do you know.
I have 32gb ram, and wondered why my cpu was high and swappiness was kicking in, with no significant extra ram usage.
Didn't make sense. Now it does.
Just swapped over from windows and loving it.
Thanks man :)
I love these kind of videos as they show developers exactly what problems users have when changing OS and helps them focus on those. Linux has improved a lot but it's still not a better user experience compared to windows or macOS due to these issues.
Linux is a better user experience for better users.
@@1pcfred you mean linux makes the customers developers instead of developing themselves
@@beastmasterbg if you are a Linux customer then you are paying someone to support you. They would cater to your needs then too. If you're just a Linux user then not so much.
17:21 God, I hate Reddit. No matter the topic, that's exactly the kind of snobby attitude you can expect from that hellhole.
Thanks for your honest account of your experiences with Linux! :D
Oh my, a real world PC user talking about their Linux experience.
Thank you so much. Your experience matches mine to a good extend and I've been trying linux on and off for 20 years now. While the lag isn't as much of an issue for me, i do have to always tinker around with Linux to get it to work.
You just keep running into problems to do seemingly basic stuff like:
File sharing, installing the latest version of some software (why is it always a different effin package manager or some repo injection script that I need to run?), changing mouse pointer speed only for my trackpoint, or fractional scaling to have usable ui sizes on my 4k monitor?
I'm also a hobby photographer and sadly there isn't a good alternative to adobe Lightroom classic. MS office also can't be run on Linux (which it used to be) and I'm not tolerant of the issues with Libre Office.
The thing that really gets me is that it's unstable. My windows installs last for years amd run stable. With Linux,my longest has been 4 months before some update or setting nuked my installation.
Didn't Office used to work through Play on Linux?
SHHHHHH!!!!
@@justicebalatensa Sort of but not these days.
seeing your vids in my sub box always makes me happy, it's honestly really impressive that you can create such high quality stuff at this kind of pace
also i actually bought an old thinkpad x230 this week and decided to try learning linux on it, so this was very relatable
Hey, that's what I am planning to do. Get Thinkpad X220 or X230 and install Linux on it and learn more how to use it. Before I used Linux on VMs only and i faced some problems.
@@Aleksandra1232 Try everything!
@@Aleksandra1232 I would say running Linux on bare metal just feels different than virtualized. Its good to learn on actual hardware.
my friend has a saying you see, "i use linux on server because i'm not a masochist, and i use windows on desktop because i'm not a masochist", i like it personally because even though it's obvious that linux has its uses in enterprise and stuff, i am not enterprise and stuff, and every single time i tried using linux desktop, i was pretty much force pushed back to windows
i don't hate on windows, i've never had issues with it that wouldn't be caused by me or other person that was using it, and this made me believe that if someone has problems with windows, 99% of the time it's incompetent user's fault, and 1% of the time it's faulty install, linux on the other hand...
i completely agree on linux false advertising, entire community saying that it's completely without problems, while running just as good or better than alternatives is maybe 5% of the cases, and there is another saying i agree on, "linux is free only if your time is worthless", which perfectly summarizes that if you want it to work, you have to put work into it first, and for most people it's just not worth it, not when competition "just works" out of the box
torvalds said once on some event that linux is not popular because it doesn't come preinstalled with OEM systems like windows does, which in my opinion is just completely wrong guess (because i can't even call it a thesis or an opinion, it's a missed guess at the very best and a accidentally grammatically correct mishmash of words at worst), because if a person buys a prebuilt system, there is a good chance that a) they can't use linux or b) they don't need it, because everybody who can/need to use linux more often than not also builds their system on their own
not to mention what you've shown at 16:55, which perfectly summarizes all arguments in linux vs windows discussions, which mostly consist of "linux is good because windows is bad", "i hate bill gates", and "i don't have money" (like, come on, am i supposed to take seriously a person who unironically says "Microsoft Windows is for a fake person"?)
i'm currently at the point where i cut conversation dead the moment the other person says "linux is good" or "windows is shit", because i know that there is no talking sense into that guy, even if he himself doesn't completely buy what he's saying, because he won't ever admit being wrong
the borderline for me is this: linux has its place in server space, and that is where it should stay. unconditionally. forever. windows isn't perfect either, but it's the best we have and will have for a long time (for desktop at least).
A lot of these random issues are because of Nvidia drivers unfortunately. My last card was a 1080Ti and stuff was constantly breaking, freezing and lagging in both Fedora and Ubuntu. Now I have a Radeon 6900XT and my Linux experience since then on Fedora has been nearly flawless. No more OBS glitches, extremely smooth Wayland performance, no graphics drivers failing to load after major updates, etc.
Good to hear these experiences from another person. I just installed Linux on my laptop a month ago and have been loving it even thought there have been countless problems similar to yours. I have already fallen down the rabbit hole of customizing my desktop and workflow - just wait, I think it's not a question of if it will happen to you, but rather when ;) Looking forward to the update video.
I just realized that RUclips recommended me this video not because you're a fellow estonian, but because of the Linux community, which I find so cool. Welcome!
You got me there at some point when you mentioned so good support from Proton and the second time showing smooth Ubuntu experience. Although sight of Ubuntu woke up trauma of my master's degree when network drivers decided to roger out after OS upgrade so hard that I was helpless, community was helpless and I lost precious hours on tight schedule of too much caffeine and too little sleep. From my experience home distros of Linux are still a playground for people whose hobby is to evolve an OS. Unfortunately for people who treat their OS-es like a daily, this is unacceptable. There are issues I dislike or even hate in Windows. But it's all reliable - issues are reliably not disappearing 😀, but also since Windows 7 (which I got very early) whole experience is reliable, stable and good. Windows 10 still runs well on 11 year old laptop and I can still squeeze every bit of power because of good backwards compatibility for drivers there. It was not the case when I gave my old gaming PC to my family and was shocked that Ubuntu or Mint couldn't even play HD (720p) smoothly (because AMD stopped releasing new drivers for that card on Linux and Linux distros upgraded some component responsible for display, so Linux users on that GPU were stuck with experience close to Windows XP running in safe mode). Linux is a choice, but it comes at a cost larger than its fans want to admit.
That AMD driver issue doesn't sound normal. How did you install the drivers?
Dude, I had a notebook with a very powerful Amd C-60 and it was good on kernel 6.1, what the hell happened to your card?
Agreed, I still have a dinosaur Dell Z desktop with W7, with a SATA hd, running acceptably well. Maybe slow during boot up, but once set, is smooth sailing. My next upgrade is a SSD which will be a considerable improvement as that has been the case on my W7 laptops.
I can play Steam games almost at the highest settings, do Teams, VPN for work, watch movies, sports, have several VMs, and still today I have no need for distro, kernel or whatever mumbo jumbo.
Comparing it to a car, I would say my PC is like a Toyota with around 300k still on original struts, just tires and oil changes. Thats how reliable my PC is.
Just watched the video about you using a MacBook and got this one recommended. Also, really well put.
Every few years I give Linux a chance but these kind of issues keep me away from having it as my daily driver.
I have been using Linux for over 15 years now and I do not want to imagine a world without it! ❤️😮
This was crazy to see as I have had a smooth experience on linux with minimal issues, you thought of things I wouldn't even think of, higher than 60Hz refresh rates (am broke so I only have a 60Hz and 75Hz one), think most of your issues stemmed from Nvidia which is unfortunate but as you explained, it was unfortunately not an option for you to use AMD
Some distros are literally nightmares with certain hardware but totally flawless with others. When I heard so much about Manjaro I tried to install it, and for whatever reason every single system font was replaced by gibberish random characters, so I could not get passed that because it was like trying to solve hieroglyphics just to open a single menu. And absolutely no one had any idea what my specific issue was. Other distros went flawlessly, but certain features were strange, and I know a few of my machines I know might have driver issues.
It either works really well, or really poorly. And it can take a long time to get the right combination of DE and distro depending on your hardware.
@@ghost-user559 This is so true. A lot of different distros use different versions of software that can sometimes cause issues. When I was on Debian I had a lot of problems with the nvidia drivers and it was a pure nightmare. On arch everything is really smooth and runs perfectly but sometimes (this happend to me 2 times) a library just breaks and things just stop working. So I had to find out what package is broken and the delete that package and reinstall it. Sometimes things just work without you doing anything and sometimes you need hours to make the most simple thing working.
@@alx1431 Yeah that’s the most frustrating part because sometimes an entire distro just breaks for no apparent reason and other times it’s a random package. Other times its the DE that decided to stop working. Honestly I use MacOS whenever I HAVE to get work done on a deadline because it works flawlessly 99% of the time and you can usually stay on a stable update until the next one is released because there are so many people testing each beta so it gets fixed very quickly.
I really enjoy Linux and I’m glad it exists for keeping my old hardware going, but man having to spend an entire day or more trying to do something as simple as printing something or getting a WiFi card working can completely ruin the experience.
And like you said it can just hit you out of nowhere when you really need your computer working and you suddenly have to be your own tech support and IT department.
The worst part is when literally no one has the problem you have anywhere on the entire internet. That’s when I immediately distro hop and almost never look back like with Manjaro. Could be a simple fix, but it could easily never get resolved. In some cases it’s faster to just wipe the system and reinstall everything ironically.
@@alx1431 yeah, hopefully amd catches up to nvidia so it's almost 1:1 in terms of features as with AMD, I have had very little issues, and if you want a good experience, I'd definitely say use AMD, perhaps there could be some middleground but it wouldn't be perfect, basic amd display adapter and have all intensive apps use nvidia card (not sure if that's supported on linux though), or hopefully nvidia will embrace open source more or with nvidia open sourcing some stuff the apps will get better support and such
I have 120hz and nvidias rtx 3060, and i also had no issues.
I think tech devices just hate this guy and want to be buggy specifically for him.
Linux aside, i never had the issues he had on windows either.
Great video! I've been thinking of going to linux for a while, but i'm hesitant to put it on my desktop and my laptop is a Surface Book, so there might be some compatibility issues with the screen detachment and the 'mysterious' unnamed Nvidia graphics card.
I really hope Linux will eventually become the savior we all want and need it to be and maybe one day we'll even get an open source phone OS that's worth bothering with and frees us from Android and IOS
Booting from an external drive (or, on a smaller scale, live booting) is a decent way to test hardware compatibility without risking your main installation. I was daily driving linux using a small external SSD for a year before migrating to a proper one and had no issues at all.
Don't, Surface laptop is a Microsoft-made machine, not designed for Linux.
@@maynnemillares If it can run windows, it can run linux.
I guess u never got the memo that android is already open source . . . Just carriers like to tweak it a lot and change stuff specifically for their phones
@@dawsonpate7385 they didn’t mention anything about it not being open source
THANK YOU! I literally had all of the problems you encountered - I have been trying to switch for over a year now, every few weeks switching from Windows to Linux, because some things were supposedly fixed, but then with each update something else broke. I tried Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Pop!_OS, Manjaro (Gnome/KDE), EndevaourOS (KDE), Fedora, Linux Mint and KDE Neon. I threw out two 60Hz Monitors due to the Mixed Refreshrate Bug, people were telling me that AMD GPUs don't have this issue, which isn't true as it's an X11 Issue. When the monitors went to sleep, all my Desktop Icons where reset, the refreshrates from all 3 monitors were reset from 144hz to 60hz. Other issues worth mentioning: many many UI / frameserver glitches, audio interrupts when clicking on UI items, screen tearing, firefox hardware decoding, firefox performance issues when certain types of animations are being used and so on.
Dude that sound terrible, you even tried Arch baset distros and Fedora. How did you manage to gain such a big stake of issues :O
I am currently running ArchLinux with KDE on an gtx 1080ti. And i have to say, i ad some of the issues you epxerienced like 2 years ago. But now, everything seems fine. I do gaming, have my own kde customisations and an own workflow with virtaul desktops etc. This issue with two monitors with different refresh rates still exists. My fix was to disable KDEs VSYNC.
Also one issue i encountert, since i have one uwqhd and one fhd monitor. The scaling is pretty ducked. Walyand fixes it but walyand has issues with electron applications so yeaahh my fhd monitor has now a 125% bigger scaling :)
Wow you tried a bunch of distros. But people like you are important Linux needs user's. Make sure to report bugs to the correct people. Make them reproducable.
I use EndeavorOS KDE and the multi monitor issue can sort of be fixed by putting (KWIN_X11_REFRESH_RATE=144000)
in "/etc/environment" I say sort of because it just makes x11 refresh at that rate, so your 60hz panels will be at 144hz internally.
Yes, "each update something else broke." I am tired of deal it.
@@SuperTort0ise Yup same workaround :(
The question of whether or not to use linux is, "Do you want to control what your PC does, or do you want your PC to control what you do?".
Commercial OS are now designed to meet the needs of the corporation, not the needs of the user, and you are merely a minor part of their financial model, and no longer considered a significant stakeholder. This means that what you want is of low importance.
welcome to the club.
linux has really come along way since the early 2010s and since the steam dock came out its only getting better, I been daily driving for a while and still haven't had any major game compatibility issues, key word major I don't play pvp at all so anti-cheat isn't an issue for me. I'm also on AMD. but I'm not here to pretend like its totally perfect, it isn't especially if your on Nvida, witch can be a deal braker, unfortunately there's not likely to be a solution in site. and unfortunately, chances are the linux community isn't going to change any of the other issues aswell, as there's a stigma around making things easier for normal people
I've switched to Linux for 2 years.
Basically the first few months I keep switching between distros.
Now I am happy with Arch and it seems best fit my daily usage.
The second option would be Fedora. It is very responsive and smooth while I was using it.
well I thought you use Arch because of the ideology surrounding Linux, but actually it is viable to use on a day-to-day scenario.
Man, this video hit home. I would absoutely LOVE to use linux 100% of the time instead of windows. I hate all the data collection/tracking etc that windows has been implementing over time. I've tried a handful of linux distros over the years starting way back in around 2012, and each time it takes hours upon hours of searching how to get things to run properly. What you said at the end about you making sacrifices to use linux is exactly how I feel each time. The last time I tried it in 2022 I spent hours trying to get a simple IDE to work properly. The solution is probably to just use a different IDE, but I kept finding posts online saying that it should work and to try x fix, and the rabbit hole went on and on until I reached my troubleshooting boiling point. I feel as though I run into issues like this each time. Something that is essentially plug and play on windows turns into 3 hours of googling and trying fixes on linux. Then on top of that there are the occasional issues with the desktop environment. I'm not concerned with 60hz personally, but if my screen turns sideways and requires driver reinstalls like yours did I'm not going to be happy. Maybe if it's a one time thing but if it's that on top of 10 other weird little quirks that require fixes on a weekly basis I can't stand that. Even the cmd stuff like sudo apt install x etc isn't exactly user friendly and requires some prior knowledge and time investment learning. I feel like I'm hit by a wall of a learning curve by my OS each time. I always fall back to thinking "If I have to spend hours just to learn the bare basics, and then on top of that hours to get programs to run, and THEN on top of that more hours to fix or just accept bugs like the graphics drivers needing reinstalled after reboot, or not coming out of sleep mode. Why am I even using this OS when I can use windows and have a mostly bug free experience?"
I'm tempted to give it another whirl and maybe it will be different this time. Perhaps I will pick the magic distro for me, that will have minimal issues. As writing this I'm having the temptation to try again. I think it requries a different mindset, rather than fully switching over it should be a side thing, like a game or hobby, and once you topple the learning curve, the full switch can be made.
I've been using Nobara KDE recently, and it's kind of like it's trolling me
The first month i used it was incredible, nearly everything i wanted working was working flawlessly
The second month it wouldn't give graphical output for an extended period of time, so i forced it off and that seemingly corrupted the system, i may have been able to dig in and see what the issue was but it honestly isn't worth several hours of my time to *attempt* to fix an issue, when i can just reinstall and hopefully fix every issue
This is the middle of The Third Month now, and I've had some Graphical Issues, mainly things like Discord for who knows why; The KDE panel sometimes psuedo-crashes (It still kind of works but receives no new graphical information to display.), Firefox gave me some weird issues today where it didn't like having multiple instances and so would repeatedly fight for the visual data, and not allow me to actually interact with the browser until i restarted it. *Sometimes* it worked, *sometimes* it didn't and it's unclear why it should work at one point and not at another.
Occasionally i've seen the comment that's like 'Don't use Nvidia with Linux', which simply isn't viable for most people. Also the updates on Nobara kind of annoy me, because it wants you to update like daily or multiple times a day, and if *any* system package is updated it wants me to restart, nothing else I've seen asks for that, why should i need to restart when [unspecified system package] needs to be updated. (System package in this instance seems to mean *any* Non-Gui software.) I get if it's the Linux Kernel or something in the Very Core of the OS, but one of the things that made me really like Linux is not needing to restart after every Update.
Anyway, all that being said, the reason i chose Nobara KDE is because i *do* like the Windows Interface, and KDE is one of the closest to it that I've seen, mainly do to the System Tray which still lacks some features
And Nobara is just Fedora with a lot of nice tweaks supposed to make setting up gaming stuff easier than on Fedora. And Fedora is apparently a pretty solid distro with a good update cycle (Semi-Rolling, which should essentially to my understanding mean that the Core is checked to be stable, but you still get pretty much the most up to date software with all the new features and bug fixes.)
So, you could try your luck with Fedora KDE or Nobara KDE and see if they work for you. (If you don't care about the Windows look (I.E. The System Tray), you could try another DE like GNOME; GNOME is one of the most used DEs other than KDE, so they may pretty much be your best bets. I've generally heard that the biggest thing that separates most distros is Package Management, so if you got that down it's just a matter of Display Server and Desktop Environment.
In terms of things working the best, that seems like that would be patching and stuff.
I also find it kinda interesting how my opinion differs from a lot of other people, as i genuinely don't know what's user unfriendly about something like 'superuser-do package-manager install package-name' it's literally saying: run the following command as administrator, run the following package manager subcommand, install, package name. It's sort of like if you've ever used something like echo or print in cmd: run as administrator, cmd.exe, echo, 'Hello World!' (Run cmd.exe as administrator and type "echo 'Hello World!'") It's basically the same type of interaction just text-based. Anyway, nobody *has* to use the command-line to get most things done, except in KDE Dolphin which decides it wants a different way of doing stuff that's supposed to be more secure but is harder to learn and more inconvenient to use. It's literally just the easier solution sometimes.
If you want to try to learn linux, doing so in a VM can be interesting, you can even make Snapshots and treat them as Save Points like in a game, and then if you want to dig into something, you can start to delete packages to see when it crashes or something like that, and because it's not your host system you won't fuck that up, and because you have snapshots you can just revert or Load your Save.
Treating Linux as a game could be a fun experience, if you can find some sort of objective that you want to accomplish.
Debian 12 never gave me any problems, try it.
@@justicebalatensa After making that original comment I actually tried Mint and it works great.
@@Robit_Tv damn, that's great, what kernel version does mint use? the last time I used it was something like 5.15
@@justicebalatensa yeah it says 5.15.0-87-generic
3:45 the early cancellation fee can be evaded using a few methods:
-Calling adobe, saying you refuse to pay the cancellation fee, and the credit card will be cancelled if they do not waive it
-Cancelling your credit card
-If you use PayPal, you can revoke access to adobe for your PayPal account, which will decline all payments from them
-PayPal support (if u signed up with PayPal) will cancel the subscription for free if you call them
-"Freezing" your credit card temporally (adobe only attempts to charge the card 10-15 times before it automatically gives up so they don't waste all their money on processing fees)
Note all these methods except the first will get you banned from adobe services due to missed payments
Also, remember not to use adobe in the future
Is it even legal?
Wow, I've never had these issues... I've used Linux Mint for years, and it's always been smooth for me. It's so crazy that you had this many issues, a lot of them were Nvidia issues though so I understand that.
Same, it is rather confusing they managed to have so many issues. Perhaps it makes sense on half a gig of ram lol
This guy probably has some kind of really complex display setup, like three or four different monitors of different sizes and refresh rates. I'm running a laptop with the closed nvidia driver with Fedora 38 KDE wayland and don't have lagging at all but as a laptop I just have the one display hence no problems
As someone who uses Arch, Fedora would probably the best Distro for your use case. It ships new yet stable software and kernels (which also means new drivers), comes with GNOME, Wayland and Pipewire out of the box and is part of the RHEL ecosystem which, while unpopular amongst certain parts of the community (such as me) for ideological reasons, is generally a good bet for official software supports by corporations. (CentOS for example is also part of that ecosystem)
Funnily enough, I've never really had any problems with Linux except for the usual package signing issue on Arch. However, I also don't have a dedicated GPU and only one monitor which certainly makes things easier.
TL;DR: Use Fedora because it's like Ubuntu but without the annoyance of outdated drivers and software.
Ubuntu has been great for me, and I’ve only really used a Raspberry Pi in the past, so I am relatively new to Linux (long term Mac and Windows user). Now I will have to try Fedora out of interest!
@@stephenrochester6309 Have fun with it!
CentOS isn't dead, they just refocused the project to be Rhel's beta.
That said, I'm glad videos like this exist. Because it allows me a pseudo developer to know where to steer my efforts.
CentOS used to be the leader in very specific nieche in Linux community it was known and had reputation for. IBM took CentOS away from that nieche also making huge reputational damage, which basically means CentOS is commercially dead now and will never see the same amount of installations as it used couple years back.
its CentOS Steam now
@@snowmean1 To be fair the community did next to nothing to help CentOS's team of three developers. It was estimated that less than 3% of the userbase contributed upstream to CentOS or rhel. Giving IBM reason to wonder why it would be worthwhile to keep the project running as it was.
In the end they made the decision anyone who just spent a bunch of money to buy a business would do.
dude did you delete 1/4 of your system32 wtf
Lool 😂😂😂😂
To be fair I had similar issues after a while but never again after a 2nd install of windows 10
Dude’s too dumb to windows
That's literally normal windows stuff
I remember having similar issues with Windows back then. I have a clean install running right now and I'm pretty sure stuff are going to get buggy after like a year. The only reason I'm not using linux is because of gaming and the fact that you always have to fix stuff and I really value my time. I hope Linux becomes more user friendly in the future so I can stop using this shitty OS (Windows).
12:03
There is a solution for this for KDE and it's actually very simple.
The steps will be as follows:
Open /etc/environment with nano (or any cli, gui text editor) as root and add the following:
KWIN_X11_REFRESH_RATE=144000
KWIN_X11_NO_SYNC_TO_VBLANK=1
KWIN_X11_FORCE_SOFTWARE_VSYNC=1
Since your main panel is 165 Hz, replace 144000 with 165000.
Next step is to open OpenGL Settings in nvidia-settings and disable:
1- Sync to VBlank
2- Allow Flipping
After this process, restart your system. Your problem will be fixed. I tried this and my problem was fixed.
If you see tearing on the second screen, you need to enable Force Full Composition Pipeline in nvidia-settings.
NOTE: These operations are valid for KDE and X11. As far as I know there is no problem with Wayland.
if i have two monitors with different refresh rates, will this still apply?
Or just, dont use linux.
@@username-du2er Make the high hertz monitor the default monitor.
My man! Welcome to the Linux world, it's not perfect and you may or not go back to Windows, but the feedback provided here is of immense value. Thanks for the great content!
Linux sucks
@@9gaming202 Windows sucks more xd
All OS sucks
Nothing can suck more than linux it was designed to suck by people born to suck for the people who suck 😂
"It's not perfect" Oh STFU. Had 1% of these problems been encountered on a Windows PC, you Linux idiots would have declared the "end of Windows!" and "total victory for now and all time!" over the evil empire! 😆 Instead, THIS is the REAL experience people have with desktop Linux: it's insanely buggy, freezes a ton, basic needs doesn't work or works poorly, and what you need isn't there or is very primitive.
Yet, as he said, these massive problems are glossed over and ignored (and so never fixed) because, for the Linux community, public appearances are more important than actually not sucking for 98% of users.
It's like Linux is like the Soviet Union of operating systems!
Suurepärane video; I'm glad you gave Linux an honest shot and shared your experience with the world, as it spreads the word and also helps the foss communities know which pain points still need work on for the average user. The Linux desktop is definitely not for everyone (yet), but the freedom and community it brings is awesome, so it's great to see you try and explore how it works for your workflow and needs, and I encourage others to try the same.
The absolute best way to learn Linux is whack it on either a machine you can spare or a used older machine - leaving Windows on your main machine. Don't dual boot because if something goes wrong you aren't motivated to fix it you can just boot into Windows. I did this for 2 years and found I would use the Linux more and more over time just for fun and now I've got to the point that I only use Arch based systems and only use Windows for gaming. I did game on Linux for half a year but it's not there yet and there's no point pretending it is. For everything but gaming, Linux is far, far superior in almost every way. Thanks to Steam Deck though....Linux gaming is coming for ya. Run.
TBH I think it has less to do with "don't mention the issues outside the community" (though there's certainly some of that) and it's more when you've been in the community long enough you're used to it and you'll either learn the tricks to mitigate your issues or decide they're not a big deal and just put up with it.
In large part it's just the nature of being immersed in something for a while; you'll inevitably get blind spots about what's a pain point for someone new.
All told, while the new user experience in Linux has made great strides in recent years, there's definitely still work to be done.
The ending point was really well put, I daily drive Linux, but I have issues where it feels like most applications don't use the most of my hardware, and I do have quite a few bugs. It's far from a perfect experience, but I feel like I really own my computer. It's gotten to the point where when I had to use Windows for awhile due to my main PC temporarily being dead and then left with just my laptop, it didn't feel like the laptop was mine, the constant ads on my home screen, telemetry being taken, and things changing and updating without my consent, when I finally went back It felt like physically coming home after being away for awhile.
you're all a bunch of weirdos. you can modify windows to disable telemetry and ads, and you can turn off updates permanently with reg-edit, and install a firewall that doesn't allow any data to go outside your PC except what you want. it takes less time to do this with Windows than installing pretty much anything on Linux.
@@junojan8414 Sounds like a good setup, you don't have to call people weirdos though over a preference on how to use computers tho lol.
Very often these "Linux vs Windows" discussion are based on the assumption that you can only use one OS, have to stick with it and you can't use the other anymore.
I am using DualBoot with Ubuntu and Windows for ~15 years and i honestly don't want to stick to just one, because there are things that are easier on Ubuntu and other things that work much better on Windows.
On Ubuntu, i program, listen to music, surf the web, play some games etc.
On Windows, i do everything related to Video/Sound editing and play MP-Games.
I would never program with Windows, but Video/Sound editing is just atrocious on Ubuntu. There are some minor drawbacks with DualBoot (more diskspace used for the OSes, sometimes rebooting is necessary), but both OSes are good, have smooth workflow for some processes but absolutely suck for other stuff. I just use the best OS for the task at hand.
that only works if you aren't using OS specific features a lot, once you get used to some conveniences you won't be able to live without them, once your muscle memory becomes your second nature even slight change of behavior causes pain
Me too. But in last few years i almost never boot windows
This was an incredible video. Subbed, thumbs up, adblock off, anything that I can do to pay respect to the time you spent editing this video!
Welcome to the Linux side of things. I have been dual booting Linux/Windows for about 5 years until I switched to 100% linux about 2 years ago. Yes, Linux still has lots of issues on the desktop experience and they can be a pain. Although I found that sometimes if you kinda think differently than you did on Windows to solve an issue, it becomes much easier since most of the time you just need a fresh eye on things.
This video sums up a lot of the issues I've been having with Linux or its community (/cult). I want it to succeed and replace Windows. However, the few times I did try to switch, I ran into so many issues that don't appear too big, but they add up over time. I constantly find myself googling, troubleshooting and tweaking to get something new to work, and every so often, it breaks a lot of old things that used to work. Multiple monitors have always been an issue to me. One tiny incompatibility, like your video codecs, can force me to keep a dual boot with Windows, and eventually I just move back to Windows to save myself the hassle.
Sooner or later, I run into roadblocks that no amount of obscure tweaking can fix. Then, all internet advice you'll find is lengthy philosophical arguments about how you and your use case is stupid anyway and how Linux SHOULDN'T support it. The end result is that the average user sticks with Windows.
I havent had many issues and I run arch, but i kust agree with you about elitism of the linux community and its fear of change. I recently requested better support for legacy graphics cards and got flamed for suggesting it and people saying that I should contribute the code myself (I would if I could program) - the ironic thing is that these people dont realize that such attitudes hinder adoption by pissing off other users and also by preventing those with older hardware from switching as its not supported.
@@AndRei-yc3ti Yeah I've come across that too though I have to say that Solus Mate has worked great for my 80 year old mum who was getting fed up with Windows: If you can set up a computer for a total beginner, its actually much easier for them to use than Linux and less problems you need to help them with in my experience...
If you want to do something then do it. Just don't expect others to do it for you. Aim to be higher than average.
@@AndRei-yc3ti you have editors, compilers and linkers and that's all you need in order to program. Well, that and a computer. Attitude is irrelevant. Everyone that should run Linux will run Linux. We've been doing just fine for the past 3 decades with less than 2% of the market share. It's quality that counts not quantity. Chumps can go run something else.
I had many of the same weird issues when I first tried Linux.. I started with Ubuntu and stayed all Ubuntu based. It wasn't until I went to Manjaro KDE that things started working really good and easy, but its still like rolling the dice depending on what hardware you have. Currently using mainly Fedora, trying to learn it since I've been using Arch, and seriously considering using Fedora for long term now. Its been running great... less issues than running Arch, but more than when I used Manjaro KDE (that was really so simple). With just same slightly more experienced Linux knowledge I am surprised how good Fedora runs. I had enough bad time with Ubuntu and Mint... I'll never use anything Ubuntu based, and probably not even Debian based at all.
I had a very good user experience with Endeavoros, Arch and Xfce, lxqt, and interestingly, I did not have a good experience with Manjaro KDE.
I've recently switched to Linux and did not have issues of your magnitude despite also having a Nvidia GPU, but yes it takes some time, dedication and trial and error to get things working on a multi monitor setup. For the people who are stuck with windows, one thing that makes software management less painful is to use winget, scoop or chocolatey. They're like package managers for windows and winget is from Microsoft itself. Using that my Windows experience generally was very good - things worked fine for the most part, which is surprising because I ran a windows that started as Windows 7 and got upgraded to 8 then 8.1, then 10 without a re-install. However with windows 10 MS has started treating my PC like they own it. After they installed unwanted cloud related software on my OS that it refused to let me uninstall (though I managed eventually by uninstalling some kind of "experience package") and increasingly worsen their user agreement that you can't opt out of, I've decided that this is where we parted ways.
I know this is an old video, but I just wanna say: that lag with obs open was a bug with nvidia accelerated windows (now I'm not sure if it is gnome issue since you had it on xfce as well) and is the reason why I was avoiding gnome for so long. I can happily say that it's now fixed and I've been running gnome on wayland with almost no issues for a few months (my issues are really really specific due to the nature of my hardware that is technically not supported by wayland yet)
How do i know If my hardware is compatible with wayland? I installed arch with hyprland in an old laptop and It is running very well
To the desktop freezing without the cursor getting stuck, that's a pretty common issue I think mostly GNOME has (Pop_OS! and Ubuntu use it Linux Mint's Cinnamon is derived from it) because of its architecture or so. I have experienced that a high RAM usage can cause those issues pretty quickly because Linux doesn't order the DE as high as the programs themselves.
yup, especially when compiling stuffs
@@pulkitsukhija
Or when doing anything other that fills up the RAM.
Welcome back to the community - hopefully the stay will be pleasant this time
dude you helped me fix an issue with wayland i didnt even knew i had xD
9:55 So, I run Linux and I just tried doing the same thing - resizing a browser and moving it around quickly.
The window itself resizes smoothly with no discernible lag, and I can also smoothly move it around. The content itself does take a moment to re-render, as can also be seen in the video.
I don't know what you tried in the past, but I am going to blame the desktop environment that Pop!os uses for this. Admittedly, I use i3 which is incredibly lightweight, but clearly it can be done better.
Very nice video!
A bit of a longer read:
I've been daily driving linux for over 2 years now and i'm very happy with it but i can totally understand that it's not for everyone and there are many issues. The main one and probably the root cause of most of your problems are nvidia drivers (i'm on amd and never had desktop responsiveness issues even on different distros)
I've also had many annoying problems with my old windows install, and windows updates alone was enough of a reason for me to switch, but not everyone can just do it. As you mentioned linux is also a hobby, a community and a philosophy and even if you're willing to drop windows, you have to invest some time and effort to get linux up to a point where it's daily driveable smoothly and some things are still not really possible even with much effort (professional video editing e.g. which thankfully i don't need). I'm personally a big fan of manjaro + kde (i use arch btw) and the AUR is such a big plus in my opinion. Also the archwiki is probably one of the best documentations of anything on the entire internet, not only for arch. If you're interested, it has many guides, including one to set up japanese input on linux which i can really recommend.
Keep up the amazing work and looking forward to the next video!
I'm baffled by some of Windows' issues as well. How do you ruin a calculator program? I recently had it do a thing where it was responsive but it had Nintendo Switch's joycon drift and kept going to the right, no matter how many times I closed and reopened the program.
Also, thanks so much for including the song selection in the description
My main question is "why is the calculator tied to the store?".
Drain counter was such a suprise to hear im so glad this music can reach such diverse parts of the world.
Fun fact: resizing a terminal window works along a grid. If you're resizing horizontal, the terminal becomes 1 character longer and vice versa. If vertical, the window becomes 1 line taller, and so on.
I've been daily driving Linux for a couple of years now. Mainly because I like tiling window managers and I love to keep my system minimal and to know what runs on my pc.
Video editing is my biggest struggles I am trying to make my own video editor now as I can't find any other solution.
Linux is really not fr everybody and there are still a ton of problems. What the community should d is first fcus on 1 distribution and a handful of desktop managers and make those as solid as windows and then we can start recommending more people to use linux.
I definitely agree with you on focusing on one distro. In my opinion the main problem with why Linux is extremely difficult to become mainstream and popular among the average user is precisely the reason why most Linux users use Linux right now; decentralized, and extremely personalized experiences where the user has total control and responsibility over the system.
When you uphold personalized experiences like most Linux distros does, that means you're offering users something specific and more constrained to a specific use case, limiting bloat. This is in direct conflict with Windows' general and standardized experience that a lot of people complain as bloaty, but that's also why most users who couldn't care less about bloat and just want a comfortable system to browse/write documents on choose Windows: you get what you expect, straight out of the box, even if you also get a lot of other things that you don't need.
Basically, the reason why Linux struggles to get popular traction is because it's principles directly contradicts with popular usage. Which is fine, I love Linux for what it is and I basically use it daily alongside Windows with WSL, but you can't hope for Linux to be popular while at the same time gate keeping it to stay as it is.
I started using Linux on my laptop a year ago. It starts with what you have experienced. Distro hopping. I started Ubuntu didn't like the "stable" aproach, gone with Manjaro which stopped working after two months and I'm using Fedora since then. Didn't have any issues with it. I leave my laptop sleep (powered off, not in sleep) unused for 1-3 weeks, it wakes up, updates quickly and works like a charm.
yep tried every fkin distro and ended up using fedora(KDE)
it just works without any issues
this guy sadly is the guy with most tech errors, so much bad luck
installing gentoo would solve the issue
@@GATESBY if he tried installing gentoo he would not want to be here anymore loool, so much time to install...
@@luci_bm I'm just a silly guy
i beg to differ
nope, things like this are really common
Dang, these are a lot of issues with Linux (and initially Windows). I totally get, why it is not the best choice for you.
I use linux because of ethical and security reasons - and as my daily driver it fits perfectly without issues at all.
But my hardware isn't top notch (Intel 8th gen Laptop and 11th Gen gaming machine with nVidia 3060, 60 frames screens), so I got nothing to worry about.
There are issues with some applications and hardware specifications. It's def a dealbreaker and needs to be fixed. But it seems, that the majority of users do not run into such heavy problems. Especially, when it's just sufing, mailing and streaming machine.
Great video! Linux isn't for everyone and for everything, but it has improved a lot in the past few years in my opinion. I switched my laptop fully and my desktop dualboots fedora with windows and it works pretty well for me, although i have an AMD card. The freeze you experienced could be NVIDIA being stupid as well since i had that happen when i was running NVIDIA and now that i have an AMD card it doesn't happen anymore, but i guess there isn't a way to know fully
This is the best part by far 01:59 , I can't stop laughing :)
my dude
i play osrs religiously, so you putting their music in the background had me frantically looking for my open runelite session
Hi, just another Linux user here. :)
If you have time - you might try Fedora Silver Blue, specially crafted for workstation use and has extra features that allow you to just rollback update with a single command or reinstall OS without touching personal files and configurations. Also, give a Gnome DE a try - since it's most polished of all DE's. In my Linux journey this is the least hassle and most workflow friendly distro.
Nobody asked
@@KookoCraft I asked.
I have never really had a problem with windows but always wanted to try Linux as a main os who knows one day I might be as brave as you and give it a try😂
It’s really not as scary as you might think. I was in the same position as you about a year ago. I gave it a try, never switched back.
The experience that you will end up really depends on your hardware. The issues that the author of the video for example, are mostly because of the nvidia drivers not working properly. I have an Intel Thinkpad and no distro (except pop os) was as terrible as in the video (quite the opposite actually, although my workflow is different for sure).
my biggest advice for you would be to make sure windows and linux run on separate drives. windows does NOT play nicely with other operating systems on the same drive, even if you partition everything properly. i had to go through that hassle and i want to make sure that doesnt happen to you too lmao
I recommend you to avoid Nvidia, realtek and broadcom. Much healthier for your mental health.
More than half of the issues on this video is because of Nvidia not cooperating with linux community.
try ZorinOS
It's so fun watching you starting out! Reminds of me X^D.
When I first started I had so much problems lmao. But I find it fun to learn, so it wasn't a problem. Now I'm happy with a beautiful system that looks and behaves exactly like I want it to! (Though I hard reset every once in a while to try something different lol) I guess to me it's fun! Just learning the command line is absolutely pure joy. Unbricking my laptop years ago felt magical (thank you random people on stackoverflow!)... Thankfully I don't need Windows these days, and I think it was really worth it sticking around even after so many problems with linux (and there were many, yes). But it paid off! To me at least; of course everyone will have their own experiences :).