To the people saying that episode 20 solves these problems - some quick thoughts: as expected, the FranXX are Klaxosaurs - this is still a weak twist, and they made dr. franxx lie to himself in his own internal monologue to deliver it, which is weak writing. The magma is also Klaxosaurs, which doesn't answer the question of how it works, it just creates a layer of abstraction. How did Klaxosaur civilization thrive without it? Were they using themselves as fuel all along? I'm still enjoying the show, but it's not doing a good job of explaining itself, or of separating itself from the great mecha anime that preceded it.
The VIRM reveal was weaaaaaaak. FranXX = Klaxosaur reveal was obvious (I just wanted to know how they were going to go about revealing it), magma energy thing felt pretty unnecessary. The fact that not all of APE were VIRM was the most surprising thing about the episode. I'm going to have to rewatch the series so far (again) to see if there's ANY foreshadowing involved with the VIRM thing. DitF follows Evangelion's footprints very closely, but also very sloppily; however, it takes itself too seriously to be able to be considered a satire or parody or deconstruction (hah, a deconstruction of a deconstruction). But honestly, I don't care about its weaknesses. I watch a lot of anime and lots of it is probably devoid of any real value. But it's hard to ignore an homage to a series I really love, because it's so entrenched in the Eva "formula" (with some modifications) that it can offer some new ways to examine Eva (or just renew your appreciation for it by offering something inferior).
What did you actually think of episode 20? It felt like a huge exposition dump again, but this time with pretty visuals and gigantic plot twists coming from fuckin nowhere. I was so confused. None of these events were alluded to: TF is the Star Entity? WHO TF IS VIRM? Why did the Klaxosaur princess suddenly shift her focus from stopping the humans to defending against VIRM and how did she know they were coming? It's a clusterfuck.
Richmond Boswell did you watch the episode? 001's entire goal was to stop VIRM, and VIRM was deceiving humanity to get them to fight the Klaxosaurs. In the episode itself it mentions how this isn't the first time VIRM attempted to invade Earth.
The old "atheists are inherently immoral" stereotype reminds me of a story about a Jewish teacher. The Master [teacher] teaches the student that God created everything in the world to be appreciated, since everything is here to teach us a lesson. One clever student asks: “What lesson can we learn from atheists? Why did God create them?” The Master responds: “God created atheists to teach us the most important lesson of them all-the lesson of true compassion. You see, when an atheist performs an act of charity, visits someone who is sick, helps someone in need, and cares for the world, he is not doing so because of some religious teaching. He does not believe that God commanded him to perform this act. In fact, he does not believe in God at all, so his acts are based on an inner sense of morality. And look at the kindness he can bestow upon others simply because he feels it to be right.” “This means,” the Master continued, “that when someone reaches out to you for help, you should never say ‘I pray that God will help you.’ Instead, for the moment you should become an atheist, imagine that there is no God who can help, and say: ‘I will help you.’”
All this is because people never study the gospels and the true meaning. Jesus Christ said, one thing above all, is love each other, helping the poor, the people in need, because in them I'm living.
@@Arucard.HellsingThe fact that many of the loudest and purportedly most devoted Christians seem to sincerely think that if Jesus were reborn today he'd be railing against immigration, universal healthcare and any sort of social safety net while preaching the virtues of laissez-faire capitalism, white pride and women knowing their place may be disheartening you have to admit it would make for a funny TV show. Imagine Jesus of Nazareth hosting a PragerU episode about how being expected to not intentionally misgender people is like being crucified all over again.
Crunchyroll bugged for me so the episodes after episode 15 didnt show and the way episode 15 ended, i thought it was the legit end. And it was a pretty ok ending too.
Derpo Cheeseball Well... I mean come on, after the main character’s development was complete, the show was over, or it shoulda been. I mean come on, I WaNt To GeT pReGnaNt, then it proceeds to go even MORE downhill and by the last episode man... wtf am I even watching
That's simple, you merely don't believe, rather than throwing a temper tantrum against the god you totally don't believe in. Or at least your not the kind to find basic moral rules excessively restrictive.
Well yes, that's the difference between atheism and misotheism. Atheism is not believing in a god, misotheism is believing in a god and hating that god. They are two separate, distinct belief (or lack of belief) systems. The movie God's Not Dead didn't seem to understand that...
I'm fine with all the char development, with the drama, marriage, and all that stuff. Heck, I like those stuff. The only thing I can't stand is the "Alien" plot twist. Like they can't came up with any other thing? Wop de fcking do, the enemy is alien all along. The fck...
I agree with what you said. In my opinion VIRM was really the only questionable element in the show. The other side plots were undoubtedly left-field at times, but that's what made the show what it was. Overall, one of my favorites out there!
I mean Klaxosaurs were already in the show, I kinda wasn't surprised by the Alien reveal. I was surprised by how quickly they left Earth, why they in space now wtf?
If you watched the show you'd know what the "aliens" were and that they been there way before squad 13. Its not like they just "showed up" like you said.
i binged the show so i don't know if there's more foreshadowing but I do recall there being a part where a member of ape did an insanely inhuman attack on the klaxosaur queen and then some members of ape were surprised by the event. This hints at some kind of conspiracy where all the members of ape are not united (hence the main members being part of the Vern and that's why they killed their human counterparts when the aliens showed up)
Hell the fucking anime opens with a grown up simon waging war in space against an unkown enemy at the time. The movie opens with the background story of lord Genome where they straight up show the anti spirals. The whole story of gurren lagann revolves around the anti spirals.
Some of the hottest garbege there was in fact. n_n love how 02 has become a meme now and the seirse is just like "well that happend" This show now is in a limbo of "pretty neat but WTF! was 19 and everyting after???"
"Uhh, don't worry guys, it was aliens being dicks the entire time! All humans are absolved of blame! Don't worry the only 2 somewhat interesting characters aren't dead they're just reincarnated in a Utopian World that won't last because the bad guy is unkillable!"
okay, some of you have a point, ig. Like, the first arc of the first season was kinda good. Pretty basic, but the idea was good. Out of SAO and into the fairy game, it was shit. sns.
I hate what they did to Zero two's character, she was entertaining because of her mischievous and rule-breaking nature. It wasn't even a character flaw! Stripping that away gave my favourite character an entertainment value of watching Kirito file his taxes.
@@matyaspiller3942 Whem you want to see it like this: yes, but if you wan't to see a girl near to every man on the entire planet wants to "ride" and just die, because she is how she is and thats not her fault, you see that.
15:23 It is impossible not to avoid thinking about the Gigguk's video “Darling in the FranXX in 10 Minutes” and the Goro character screaming: “FRIENDSHIP?! This robots run on doggie-style!”
Not to mention his gloriously hilarious rant that comes afterwards, which goes something like this : "IS THIS IT ?! IS THIS *REALLY* HOW WE'RE GONNA END IT ?!?! THE PLOT HOLES IN THIS STORY ARE SO FUCKIN' LARGE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE IN SPACE OR THE GODDAMN WROTER'S ROOM !! DID I SIT THROUGH 24 EPISODES FOR *THIS ?!* AAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGHHHH !!!!"
"Well I am an athiest" could have been a great sarcastic, defensive reply. Shame they didn't do that properly, and as an atheist myself it always makes me cringe to hear that sort of thing.
Well if it makes you feel better. I'm religious and not Athiest When I heard him say he's Athiest I honestly didn't care much about that, ya he tortured people but I don't think that's because He Athiest. (Edit, added "Don't" to my sentence. Because I forgot to include it. Without "don't" , my sentence looks completely opposite.)
@@TheGreatBackUpVIDEOS ya I actually did make a typo. I don't hate Athiests. "When I heard him say he's athiest I didn't care. Ya he tortured people but I ____ think it's because he's athiest." Ya that ___ In the blank space Was supposed to have a "Don't" Here is the fixed sentence. "When I heard him say he's athiest I didn't care. Ya he tortured people but I *don't* think it's because he's athiest."
@Anon k let's say the show portrays pedophilia as a normal thing, nobody is going to become a pedophile because of the show but its still a bit of a bruh moment
@@rishiy6183 How did u think our ancestors reproduced? Once a girl reached puberty , most ancient cultures and group saw them fit for marriage and making children. Hell, some cultures men had multiple teenage women whom they were married to. Its only scorn in modern society because its a burden at such a young age nowadays, it hurts the child schooling enviornment, getting a job , stress etc. (Im not promoting or justifying teenage pregnancy, im just saying kokoro getting pregnant so young wasnt an issue, remember they didnt grow up with proper parenting or guidance about these things)
Okay, so I don't know what you guys thought. But I felt like the writers made Dr. Franks really "vegan" (so to say) in episode 19. It was like... "Are you going to get the immortality surgery, doctor?" "No, I'm an atheist." "What do you think of having children?" "Did I mention I'm an atheist?" Like I don't know what the writers were thinking, but he brought it up like 3 or 4 times.
I disagree tho, its conclusion was freaking cool, it just wasn't a conclusion on the same anime from episode 1. Like, somone zaped to a another anime XD and we left with to storys one with no conclusion and one with no start. but both really really confusing.
@@MouseGoat i mean we went from on earth. killing regular monsters to in ONE FUCKING EPISODE. GIANT SPACE UNICORN ZERO TWO IN SPACE FIGHTING THE FLEEING GOVERNMENT WHO ARE IMORTAL SO ITS POINTLESS ANYWAY just so they could fill the episode quota it ruined the series :(
We in the Kirby community have had a Zero Two for nearly 2 decades, and while it isn't exactly waifu material, I'm sure some people might have a thing for giant angelic bloody eyeballs.
@@erehh9817 Experiencing some post-darling depression too due to the poorly written ending. It could've been a much more beautiful ending than it is right now. The entire space thing and giant flesh metal 02 strelizia was just unnecessary as well. Guess the manga does a great job fixing every mistake the anime made.
Shinigami Teichou I was also one of those people who critize SAO for having a bad plot but still enjoyed it, Atleast SAO is enjoyable to watch, that shit ain't even enjoyable.
@Vulgarizingcivic why did this affect the plot so much? (I am sorry I have not developed the quote on quote „adult taste“ or „adult point of veiw“ on tv shows.
kRAZPEN it basically makes everything that happened before the aliens pointless and irrelevant, and comes off as an easy way out rather than having a good ending. They built up the fight with the queen to be very climatic throughout the 2 seasons , only to throw it away at the last few episodes.
The only thing it ever had that was special was its brilliant animation and fantastic aesthetics. Nothing about the plot or the characters was ever special to anyone over the age of 12.
Crutches exist because sometimes writers fail to account how to really explain what the fuck happened. Yeah they did good on the early episodes but it's entirely possible that they blew their load and just wanted to wrap it up because you're already 19 episodes in and will more than likely finish the series regardless of what they do.
Except they really didn't know what they were doing with early episodes, either. Not only are the early episodes riddled with plotholes, dumb decisions, and inconsistencies, but they're also incredibly poorly written from a narrative perspective. For example, look at Hiro's big 'kiss scene' with Ichigo during the duel. Narratively, this is meant to show how mechs desync and that's fine, but then it goes further and tries to make this big emotional thing out of Ichigo's feelings for Hiro which were never established. Heck, Hiro and Ichigo have barely even talked before this point and now we're expected to care about her big dramatic love confession thing and about her being flustered over an action she should have no sexual connotation over at all because NONE of these kids know what a kiss even is??? I'm sorry, but just no. I don't see how anyone can really defend such a poorly set up BS. You can't just show us two characters who've barely talked before and just expect people to care just because you play some dramatic music over it, that's the type of crap we all justifiably make fun of SAO for all the time and Franxx doesn't get a pass on it just because it's partially from a studio that's known for making great shows.
dracocrusher true, they did suddenly make drama between inchigo and hiro, but what can you expect. It would have taken the series longer for the proper character development needed and then just for two characters who dont even end up with eachother, it would be unnecessary. But they do end up making sense out of inchigo's love for hiro, sadly with flashbacks, but at least you understand why you chose hiro. He gave her a name, in a world where their identities didn't matter and made her feel like she mattered. Especially is a cruel world like theirs, it was enough for her feelings to be understood. Jusr imagine if she kissed him and they put mad back story into this. And then he still ends up with zero two, we'd all be confused due to the heavy back story between them both. It would be interesting I admit, but it would make the story longer and essentially only for one piece of the whole plot And then of course the kiss gave the response it did, cuz since one of the shows themes is what does it mean to be a human, her emotions, rather being kind of dumb or not, were important to the understanding of how their human instincts are always intact, and even a cruel life cant change that. Our brains react to the sight of sexual things irl, and in the show as you see the boys reacting to the girls clothes melting, realistically, they probably would not have cared considering all they know is following their mission and would never have time for their pervy minds to run wild always training and thinking about their purpose, yet I believe its good its like that becuz its relatable. Idk I guess thats just how I feel, even if i could be wrong
+Akko is my Daughter It would take time to properly build up a full relationship to work off of, but they really don't need to do that, they just needed to imply that there's something there. And because it's the second episode, there's a lot of room for clever artistic misdirection or implications. I mean, especially if this show relied on tropes or archetypes as a quick shorthand, it would be super easy to showcase a quick connection between Hiro and Ichigo in the buildup to the fight. But all of this is going to either work or fail much more easily based on how much the audience is into Ichigo and Hiro. Which is always going to be a subjective thing to some extent, but yeah. So how do we make these characters interesting and engaging? That's a question writers have been struggling with since the beginning of time, but the answer generally seems to be to give them distinct well fleshed out characters and moments that set them apart from eachother. And here's where I think a lot of Darling in the Franxx really falls apart outside of the logical plotholes and poorly thought out storytelling.... Hiro's just a really boring character to me. He wants to do the thing that his genre dictates he'll eventually do, but outside of that he doesn't really have any preferences or likes or dislikes, he's just a kind-of boring reserved calm MC and Ichigo falls into a really similar trap because she also has very little to her. Which is a huge shame because usually Trigger's protagonists are amazing at avoiding this problem and they're usually very distinct and memorable with personalities that are easy to understand without having to devote much time to them and their side characters are just as memorable and fun. Like for example, if you had this dual-pilot premise with Little Witch Academia or Kill la Kill then it'd be way more interesting and engaging because those characters have things to work off of eachother with. I can easily see them doing fun or interesting interactions between Akko trying to work with another witch or with Ryuko or Gamagori trying to find a partner and how their different personalities work off of eachother. Heck, Gurren Lagann basically already does this with the main mech and it works amazingly. But then you get to Hiro and it's just like... what is there to really get invested in? In trying to make the series super dramatic and serious, they gave up the distinctness that would help character personalities and without the depth behind these characters to make up for it, you're just left with basically nothing to work off of in a show about relationships where characters having depth and personality to them is the most important factor to the entire series. Thankfully 02 delivers on that front big time, but that really doesn't help any of these other moments based on other characters that mostly just don't have enough to them to make them feel engaging outside of their strong visual designs.
dracocrusher true, your absolutely right. I came in thinking this show would be good since a boy and girl pilot one mech seemed like a perfect situation for relationships, yet their characters are really unestablished. Inchigo's love for hiro, and Inchigo's response to the Goro's confession and thw character , konkoro and mitsuru relationship, hiro's personality, are but some of the things that could be a lot better. I still believe their to be high points in the show, like when the boys and girls had a fight over the boys perversions and hiro brings a mature point on why they should think more about the girls feelings and what strives his love for zero two. I admit it though, any other main character from trigger, would have been more interesting doing the main role. I hadn't many of the plotholes but im gonna look at it again to pay attention to what they were
Not knowing what you're doing and not explaining what is going on because of it is no problem as long as the story is engaging. From the beginning the series set this up: A guy wants to get into the robot, but needs a special rebel demon girl to do so and she seems dangerous. The human settlements are clearly in a very terrible situation (we know very early about the lack of emotions for example) and the leaders seem very suspicious and arrogant which indicates that they are the true bad guys. The only thing that is needed to tell the story after this is that the writer keeps the viewer interested from then on, there is nothing here that needs to be explained and nothing needs to be revealed. In episode 1 the audience already knows everything it needs to know in order to accept the plot. So what do you fill the remaining 23 episodes with? Well character development and plot development of course! Exploration of the setting can be a bonus and if there is some natural drama that can be created from the events during character and plot development that is great. But none of these things are necessary for the story to be interesting. Please do not excuse poor storytelling when there was no need for the poor storytelling in the first place. Creating forced drama and other terrible and uninteresting scenarios is not excuseable in the least. If you can't do a good job of something then there is no point in doing it at all. And it is not like the subjects in Franxx didn't have time to be developed better. I have seen a multitude of series that are capable of handling several side plots at once. Your only argument or excuse is that the writer is bad.
I actually thought the last 3 more slice of life episodes of FranXX were amazing, and I really enjoyed what they were doing with the story. It felt like a calm before the storm, where we are now reaching said storm.
I like the concept of doing three slice of life episodes in a row a lot more than the show's specific execution of it. My issue with them is that the wedding story is just kinda... boring, compared to what they did previously with the weird love quadrangle.
I thoroughly enjoyed Mitsuru's character arc however, from being an edgy kid with an inferiority complex to where he ended up in episode 17 and the start of 18 was very well done for me. The main thing I don't like was how it reset the relationship between Mitsuru and Kokoro's relationship to square one, but I feel like this will be resolved by episode 24 (and if it isn't then that will change my opinion on the slice and life episodes entirely).
Maybe the back half needed either more time in the oven or more work on the plot than they thought. Not the greatest on the writing process, but let's say they had the show ready until episode 15 ready. Then take a year off to put together a stronger plot and the rest of the production process. Not that it would've happened because of the show being produced by two different studios, but I think it would help in this hypothetical situation
The main complaint I have is how after the whole zero two changing for the better, she lost her spicy behaviour. Tbh that just made her into a flat, boring girlfriend character.
Agreed. At the start, Zero Two was this fun-loving girl who liked to mess with people, had a complete disregard for rules, perhaps even a sociopath, and was all-around just a really interesting character. Then she just instantly 180d into a wishy-washy basic character. She had no trouble adapting to the new lifestyle, no glimpse of what used to make her character interesting, nothing to differentiate her from everyone else. Also, the aliens. Just, what.
Railgun??? scientifically accurate?? you literally in a world on the verge of making science into magic. Using already well out of normals science stuff. Sorry thats no "scientifically accurate" its "scientifically coool! as blody F" but normally people die by getting lightning strikes and dont get me started on the laws of conservation of energy.
Me at ep 1: k, let's watch this new anime. Hope IT'S not a Eva copy and paste Me at ep 13:dude this is noice Me at ep 20:U wot m8 Me at ep 24:*CRIES IN CONFUSION*
except that it isn't when the ending is set up. spoilers, by the way, in the movie "a beautiful mind" based on actual person john nash, there are several characters who are hallucinations in nash's mind, because he suffers from paranoid schizophrenia. they set this up by having these characters simply appear in scenes with no mention as to how they got their, as if they teleported in or walked through a wall, because they're not real and can't do things like "open a door". so, you can totally pull off "it was all a dream", but for that to work, you have to set it up and design the story around it, you can't just throw it out at the end and pretend it answers everything.
Yal Rathol I loved that movie! It’s so hard to convince people to watch it though considering that if you explain the premise it spoils the entire thing...
This came across my feed this again morning, and it got me to reminiscing about how it was revealed things went sideways in production, and that so many of the issues pointed out in this have been revealed to be the result of an entire studio dropping out last minute. Let me explain. When it was announced, DitF was to be developed and produced by two studios, Trigger doing odd numbered episodes, and A1 doing even. Know how many episodes A1 delivered? 1! They dropped out after delivering a single, solitary episode. So Trigger had to re-edit their already in late development episodes to hide the gaps which now existed due to missing half the planned episodes. But, they were still on the hook for a 24 episode series. In comes Cloverworks, a new studio founded by former A1 employees. They suddenly have 3 months to write a whole new second half of the show, and animate it. Frankly, that the story is even coherent shows the incredible talent at both Trigger and Cloverworks. The original shooting script was later adapted into the Manga, so if you are curious how the show was supposed to go, I strongly suggest reading that. That we did not get what they planned is truly a tragedy.
This comment right here. In my opinion I loved DITF and as you said, the fact they did what they did with all the problems shows how hard they went at this. I think it is a great show that delivers great symbolism and themes and it’s greatly Misunderstood, still my favorite anime. All that said I do like the manga better and I would love for the manga to get a reboot like they did to Fullmetal alchemist brotherhood. Being that DITF is still getting attention to this day like the english manga being released, Im still confident we will get a reboot animation
Nice to know; didn’t know this wasn’t the original plan. Hope we can get a remake like FMA Brotherhood or Hellsing Ultimate; if someone like Trigger can get behind the wheel again, that would be awesome!
@@kcmcclary569 I was thinking that they've already established that the Franxx or the robot itself was the female and the core was the male for all klaxosaurs and franxx. So, to me it kinda made sense? i'm also pretty confident they just did that so they could make Apus look like Zero two in a bride outfit
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you AREN'T brain damaged and about to make a "He used the word 'god' in a sentence, that means he's secretly not really an atheist!" argument.
@@sillymiratm4315 Episode 14's around when it started going to shit. They put a lot of effort into developing the side characters early on but then abandoned them for no discernible reason.
Honestly I felt like the writer’s chickened out of showcasing humanity and religion being the enemy because of how the media backlashes over everything nowadays and Franxx is popular enough to be vulnerable. Evangelion kind of did it already but it still would’ve been better than the alien/space shit show they tried to pull off in the last 4 episodes.
Would that even have raised an eyebrow in Japan? This is the place where they decided to make "baby's First Final Fantasy" for the Gameboy, and the plot was climbing up to heaven to kill God.
@@TheGreatBackUpVIDEOS Whole point of the Anime was returning into humanity like procreation emotions etc. It is antithesis to emotionless human activity. There is was good video about this on ManMode's channel. Which I profoundly agree on.
DITF for anyone that hasn’t watched it: 1. Starts off with a girl, Zerotwo, who’s looking for her soulmate that she last saw when she was like, maybe 5 years old 2. She finds Hiro, and uses him to find her soulmate by pretending to date Hiro 3. Zerotwo starts losing her sanity and is basically dying. Also almost kills Hiro. 4. Zerotwo realizes her “fake” boyfriend is actually her soulmate she was looking for. They beat the main alien through the power of love and whatnot. 5. There’s a great ending, cool, cool. You can end it here. 6. Writers proceed to troll the viewers by rushing the ending by adding unnecessary DLC villains and then killing off the two main characters. 7. *July 7th, 2018 shit ending incident* Edit after one year: I MEAN FUCK, SWORD ART ONLINE WAS BETTER
@Sarim I actually loved the character development, Too bad it couldn't stay like that forever... Man wish it had an ova to end things on what happened after they met... Again. GOD DAMN IT, I FOUND A SPECIAL BUT IT WAS A FUCKING.. AGHHHHHH
I thought the whole "Im an atheist " line was Dr.Franxx's way of saying that his world view was grounded on practicality rather than morals and ethics. Japan mostly has a loose view on religion and I don't think that the creators meant to push an agenda here. But I do Agree that it's a week reason for Dr.Franxx's actions.
Dr. Franxx is like a failed attempt to recreate Victor Frankenstein. But Victor was a more compelling character because he was FLAWED instead of EVIL. He was a coward and he was obsessed, but he was relatable because he struggled between condemning himself for his actions and trying to run away from the responsibility of those actions. Victor's downfall is not "because he's an atheist" but because after playing God, he became afraid of what he had set in motion. If he rejects the idea of a flawless creator responsible for incredibly flawed creations (humans), how wretched would his own creation be? Dr. Franxx instead has no real struggle with his pursuits of science. He doesn't reject the notion of a flawless being, rather he believes that humanity is meant to become flawless. You could even say that science is his god.
That will be hard to do when the intriguing part of the show was the mystery of its world in the first 15 episodes, which is ruined forever by the stupid plot decisions made afterwards. What makes shows like One Piece so successful is that the mystery of the world has been slowly revealed throughout 1000 episodes, keeping the audience engaged and when major plot points are revealed they make sense and are usually satisfying
I am surprised that when Geoff mentions Atheist Scientist, he never mentions Dr. Franx is Mary Shelly's Frankenstien. "DO YOU GET IT? HE IS FRANKENSTIEN? AND HIS NAME IS FRANX? DO YOU GET IT?"
Ok why is not believing in god instantly mean your a nihilistic atheist who believes he can do anything without consequence and vice versa why does believing in god mean you get turned into a fanatical cult leader who justifies everything as gods work. There are plenty of people in the world who can be considered morally good despite theistic or philosophical differences
Yeah, but he kept saying it. "I'm an atheist, you see..." "Well, I'm an atheist..." "Being an atheist..." I GET IT! YOU'RE GONNA DIE LATER ON IN THE SERIES! NO NEED TO SAY IT ANYMORE!!!
DRINK BLEACH No. Atheists don't believe in God. That is our nature as atheist - nothing more and nothing less. You can separate us further into gnostic or agnostic atheists but that's about it. Nihilism is a *completely* different thing altogether. What atheism and nihilism do have in common is that nihilism is very rarely depicted in media in a way resembling real life nihilism.
In fact, a lot of times they're better morally than most religious people. I've never heard of an "atheist crusade", "atheist based terrorist attack", "atheist genocide", or anything like that
I always get scared when people ask what is stopping me from doing horrible stuff since I don't believe in God aka divine punishment, because, like... is that it? Is that the only reason why you don't kill, rape and or torture other living creatures? Because you fear punishment from God? Are you telling me that you would do all that and more and anything you want if you didn't fear god?! Is that the only thing keeping you from hurting, stealing or lying to other people?! That is damn worrying!!!!
Sir Canavar I think it's less divine punishment and more of a lack of divine guidance. These things aren't conclusions that people have normally reached historically so without God there would really be no way to say something like "murder is wrong" without the silent addendum of "in my opinion". Event the morality of most atheists in the west is still influenced by Christianity. People rarely develop their own systems of morality, they tend to get them from where they're living and the culture that they live in.
I guess you are right - I hope you are right. But I still find it kinda freak that some people believe you fundamentally need an external sentient intangible guiding/inspiring force/image/goal to be able to be a good person, and not, you know, a conclusion you reach after interacting with other living beings and empathizing with them, and so wishing to do good, or at least to not harm the other.
Sir Canavar for those people it is worrying but not all of them are like that, i believe in God but i was raised and taught not to do anything horrible by my parents.
Sol King Of course of course. Please, do not think I am putting all religious people on the same box - never. It is just some of them, that some times pull stuff like that, that makes me kinda worried that some people out there arived to the conclusion that steping on other people is bad not by their own morals that they developed after some life experience plus thinking - and thus I should not hurt the other because I do not like being hurt -, but because God/other person said so. Thank you for not being one of those.
I thought that the, "FranXX are part klaxosaurs" thing was hinted at when Kokoro switched partners and then tried to pilot her Franxx by herself, causing it to start to go berserk (When the FranXX's head turned into a klaxosaur for a few moments). Also in part 19, I thought it was to be assumed that he made the Franxx from them based on how he was talking about their creation, and that part was more or less to confirm it as 100% fact.
Yeah, there were a lot of hints through the show that the klaxosaurs and franxx were the same, I don't know where he's coming from with this logic that the show didn't explain it.
To me the problem is, hints and foreshadowing isn't the same thing as a reveal. Yes they've hinted it, and we can infer that the Franxx are related to the klaxosaurs. What is the relation though? Are they clones? Are they reverse engineered? Are they just dead klaxosaurs bodies with armor? Hints and foreshadowing gave me ideas on where the show is going, but the writers shouldn't just assume that I've reached the same conclusion that they were going for and move on without explaining it.
tanki motoko You're right, there's still time to explain it, why bother waiting though? They took an entire episode (19) to do nothing but info dump, explaining the origin of the FranXX among other things. So why leave out explaining what the FranXX actually are? That was the perfect time to answer those questions.
How did no one see this coming This happened with Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagan this anime had same story themes going on lol Oppressed humans - Check Some Beastmen type enemy - Check Evolution power - Check Anti spiral type of race - Check atleast TTGL kept the mech fights going :[
Preston Garvey Did TTGL dedicate multiple episodes to drama, No. It was also simple unlike DitF, it used drama as a major turning point without dedicating a lot to it while DitF has all the drama yet it still did nothing to the overall story and world of the series
Ice Cookie i mean. the entirety of part 2 was "let my fiancee go", so there kinda was. it just rapidly gets buried in "simon invented teleportation to punch a guy in the jaw" and "throwing galaxies like shuriken".
I really wish that Darling in the Franxx kept the backstory more mysterious, or at least developed it slower. I really liked the air of uncertainty about the world and wished that it could keep the theme of young people learning more about their world and being unsure of what they're doing. I will continue to watch this show as I still want to see what happens to Hiro and Zero Two, but I'll always be kind of unhappy by the bad pacing. I'm guessing that they had to speed it up because of the fear that they'd have to rely on a season 2, which might not have happened.
TheGreatMillz I agree on that. I think because the series is ending, they had to hurry up and explain some things so there isn't too much information missing by the time Darlifra wraps up. If they had the time to develop the backstory more slowy, I'm pretty sure it would turn out better. -I'm looking at you, episode 20-
One thing though, despite the problems here, I still think the whole situation is passable enough, it doesn't really harm the story that much, specially after the latest episode. Shingeki no Kyojin though, I dropped the series after the reveal in the manga, the story just became totally boring. I'd have bought a "Titans are aliens" or "Titans are a mutation", or even "Humans are the Aliens in a Titan World". Any of these three would've been decent enough, but what actually happened was so lame... Well, the story was already losing some points for pretty much focusing far too much on the leaders instead of the MC and his sister, and completely ignoring his character progression ever since the "I'll kill all Titans" scene.
Spoilers for the end of the season: I honestly was ok with the info dump episode, I could see why they did it even if I didn’t enjoy it. It’s the fact that they shoehorned aliens in at the last minute of the series when they already had such a well established antagonist in the Klaxosaurs
Yeah I had a feeling it was coming since I'd watched Gurren Lagann but holy shit that was bad Gurren Lagann is kinda rough at the beginning but it's needed for it to become great.
I feel like they messed up with the pacing of the anime, therefore the need for a information dump, that and the health issues of the Japanese voice actor of Goro, plus maybe the concern that it may not get a season 2 making the writers want to tie this up quickly
K Teo that's the fucking problem those writers need to calm the fuck down and slow down,I don't care about 2 week hiatuses as ?Ong as they have the shit planned out and paced decently
Eun-Sung Lee, you may not care about 2-week hiatuses (and neither would I - I just want what's best for the show and its creators), but you have to remember that in this industry, you get allotted a fixed slot of TV airings over a set period of time, and you simply *have* to deliver, because that's the contract you've made with the publishers/cable company/TV stations/whathaveyous. If you don't meet demands, terrible things happen, so it's not as easy as "just take more time". In a world where many, many anime vie for a place in the spotlight, getting that sweet "24 weekly episodes deal" set in place is both a blessing and a curse. You have your chance, but you also have a limited window of time, and a very rigid schedule on which you *must* deliver. (And *then* there's stuff like Steven Universe and Cartoon Network's episode delivery "schedule", which is so radically different and inscrutable it frankly just confuses the hell out of me.)
They literally are not given time to. Most shows have a only a few month window between being greenlit and airing and the anime studios are usually working on a currently airing series during that time. The whole industry is plain brutal.
Err, I'm going to finish franXX before I jump to the conclusion that it's the end of the world. Look, we all thought we were heading for a "humans created klaxosaurs" plot or "klaxosaurs came from the center of the earth all mad" plot. Personally, I would rather see batshit than cliche. Let's remember guren lagan went batshit too and it's pretty much remembered as one of the best mecha anime out there. I'm going to finish what I started.
+BlackSaiyanX ehrr... No? Are you stupid? Gurren lagann was made by GAINAX (Neon Genesis Evangelion) and Darling by a collab between different studios including A-1 and Trigger... Where did that come from, wtf? Also, darling is not even post-apocalyptic as explained in today's episode.
HenriqueRJchiki ehh do you know what post-apocalyptic is? And " Studio Trigger, is a Japanese animation studio founded by employees of Gainax, Hiroyuki Imaishi and Masahiko Ohtsuka"
-“So, what are your thoughts on Darling in The FRANXX? Have you finished watching every episode?” -“Yes, all 15 of them.” -“B…but, there are 24 epi-“ -“DID I STUTTER?!”
Reminds me of something said of David Cage's terrible games, "It is easy to write interesting questions, writing interesting answers is the hard part." It is so easy to create a world with interesting questions of how it works, how it got to be that way, and what is going to happen next. And you can carry a story on dripping information towards those questions for a long time. Humans are curious, and will avidly follow to get those clues. But then if the eventual answer is a cop-out like 'magic/god/ancients did it' or something else stupid and/or unsatisfying then the entire story *retroactively becomes shit.*
The key is to manipulate the audience into thinking along the same lines as the writing team. Learn to control the audience's curiosity and you'll avoid having the audience's expectations outpace the creativity of the writing team. Foreshadowing and Chekhov's gun are a few ways of doing that.
In my opinion it's all but impossible to create a world that doesn't have some ties to something beyond human limitations. To have any fantasy element in a world, it has to have come from something in the past, and even if something is broken down into a science, the tiniest parts of that science are still beyond the limitations of human understanding. At some point, humanity will reach its limit or breaking point, and the ancient civilization angle can be used effectively as proof of it. I haven't kept up much with FrankXX, but it seems like their misstep was making the Doctor venture beyond the limit, but come out of it pretty much the same as before. Lovecraft's eldritch horror works because it's all about "you don't go there, if you do you won't come back the same".
- Mini-rant Start - Really tired of the portrayal and outright belief that atheists are amoral douchebags. Douchebags are douchebags regardless of beliefs - I don't need to waste time with examples on this. And me being a religious person, who has dealt with and is friends with atheists, finds this trope to be overdone, overused and should be a thing of the past. - Mini-rant End -
as an atheist, having an evil atheist justifying their beliefs and their villainy would require a hell of a lot better grasp on nihilism than most authors are willing to gain, which, combined with tradition, is probably half the problem. i would be interested if a story opened with the villain justifying themself with "i'm an atheist" but over time you saw more facets of them and understood them better and started to see the cracks in their psychology that show why they would think "i'm an atheist" is justification for setting fire to a planet's atmosphere.
I honestly see more or plenty of portrayals of religious people doing bat shit crazy stuff to profess their undying devotion to their gods in media. So idk why you people are so desperate for so much censoring, it's writting. (PS: I have no defined religion I follow but i do have a believe all of them are valid on a number of factors)
I'm telling you man, the first half was just flat out amazing, There was so much potential, the story was super interesting, the characters were getting good development and I was super excited to see where it would go from there. I'm not too disappointed, but it's definitely far from what was expected.
The thing I missed the most is the action. No giga-laser that destroys everything it touches can give me the excitement I got from watching a team actually struggle in a fight against a real threat
Preach bro. I fucking loved those two deeply. Even after everything went to shit (thought I was a bit unexperienced to notice it back then) I still cared for them to an immense degree. Years after watching it, I still feel empty when I think of that ending and how I wish we could have spent a little more time with them as characters): FUCK a little more time. I want seasons worth of them just living their lives and growing as persons))):
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dr. frankenstein wasn't atheist though, and the monster in the book makes allusion to himself being comparable to satan in paradise lost, a creation hated by its creator who turns to evil for attention and justification. and considering the book was written in the early 1800's england, where being atheist was essentially a white collar crime, it's unlikely any of the characters in the story were even intended to be godless. later versions of victor frankenstein changed him to the prototypical mad scientist, which is often associated with being heavily anti-theist, but that's an evolution of the tropes and not in the original book.
Honestly, episode 19 didn't strike me as that bad, rather I just kinda thought Darling in the FranXX was a tiny bit overrated as a whole. I mean Hiro was always an Isekai MC in a Mecha anime, Zero Two, while being predetermined as the best girl of the season, has a very inconsistent and unsatisfying personality in my opinion, and Hiro and Zero Two's relationship felt completely plastic to me most of the time.
"I'm starting to get the impression that Darling in the FranXX might just really, really dumb." Boy, could've told you that within three episodes, but sure.
Yeah, as a man of faith, even I'm fucking sick of "I'm evil because I'm an atheist." It's just low hanging offensive fruit at this point. What if there was a villain who believed in God, but hated the concept of sin and rules that justified salvation, so they wanted to create immortality in hopes they could make Heaven on Earth? That's way more interesting than saying that Atheists don't believe in morality.
> Yeah, as a man of faith, even I'm fucking sick of "I'm evil because I'm an atheist I mean, what's the alternative? He's evil because he's religious? Both are tired cliches at this point.
So true, either way is lazy, but personally I have always been interested in villains that have some relation or disconnection to religion as a PART of their motives; but am constantly let down when it's as simple as "God told me to be evil," or "There is no God so there are no rules!"
One thing that came to light in the new ep: that magma energy isn’t normal magma. At least that’s what I think was explained. And that does change a few things that you have a problem with. Other than that, I mostly agree. I LOVE franxx, but I can see it has problems. Edit: the franxx are literally just modified klax as well, so the geneticist thing makes sense as he’s just modifying them. I think as much as I agree with you it might have been better to wait for the next ep to make it.
the manga is one fomr of klaxosaurs, the 2 ape main guys are alien spies that plotted all that happen in advance so they can weakned the klaxo so they could invade earth
When I first heard about Franxx being giant robots piloted by two naked teenagers I knew everything was going to have as dumb or dumber than Pacific Rim.
Also why the awkward position for the secondary pilot. If only the "connection" is required, why not have a secondary seat for the other pilot next to the driver, and just have a normal dashboard for the controls and screens in front of the driver. Also, the secondary pilot is not even attached to her seat, the first time the mech falls she is going to be a bloody mush in the ceiling of the mech. Or worse, disable the driver by slamming into his seat.
The Klaxosaur Princess bits his arm off and looks at him in some weird angle, also l i c c s people, zero two catched a fish and looked at hiro like The Klaxosaur Princess did, also She t a s t e s people too.
SwedishDuck There is a difference between liking something and something being badly written. Some people are just more turned off by sloppy writing than others. He isn't telling you, you should stop enjoying this show. If there is something of value to you there, that is great. He is explaining why it is poorly written, and why it turns him off from the show.
I don't really agree with the first half at all, mostly because I think sometimes telling while showing is fine as long as you make it interesting (which they did IMO), but also because I thought the pointlessness of the relationship was the point. Dr. Franxx never seemed to actually be invested in it until it was too late, and his supposed lack of ethics was nothing but lip service until after her death. The "I'm an atheist" bit came off as more of an excuse he was giving to people for his theories and work, rather than an excuse the writers were giving us. He's presented as a genuine psychopath as far s I can tell. Then in the middle you just lost me Geoff. Trying to compare a fictional story to real life as directly as you are is already a bad idea, but your premise is also so...flat. APE is presented as having a lot of clout politically and scientifically, and you don't get there without money in the first place. APE is representative of those oil companies within the world's fiction, they are most likely the ones in control of the fuel sources before magma power as well. It's just a really bad assumption to say "oh this could never happen because the oil companies would lobby the fuck out of it" as if APE isn't already presented as the literal Illuminati puppeteers already. Also complaining about the "obvious twist" and other elements of "how did they not know it wasn't going to work" plot elements...this is part for the course in mech shows that aren't just literally space operas. The robots are special with little to no explanation, or the explanation is a plot twist that everyone expected.
Its his opinion, the reason he dislikes all those things is because its done in one episode in the most simple way possible. Its not that these things aren't possible, they are just simple and overdone. His explanation of why they are a bad way to tell the story is what he is talking about. If you like mecha-operas, thats fine. But a major point of why this series was interesting is because it had good world building, nice action, and nice characters. In the latest episodes, it stopped caring about those things and just decided to stop the MAIN action, and tell stories in the most overdone ways possible. THERE WAS potential for it to do great, but it was wasted and settled for average. Its like if your favorite original pizza place was destroyed and replaced with dominoes. Its not bad, its just not good.
just to respond to a single point, would you accept it if a cruel, money-hoarding miser in a story excused their actions by saying "i'm jewish" with a straight face? because excusing immoral behaviour with "i'm an atheist" is similar. and yes, atheists have been persecuted in history much like the jews have, socrates was executed for spreading doubt in the gods back in ancient greece, so no, it's not a difference of "the jews were attacked and the atheists weren't". and i'm not even offended, i was mostly confused, then annoyed by the lazy writing. what if his excuse was something fun, like he came out and just said "i want to fuck a dino-robo-monster girl", and that was his entire reasoning? stupid, sure, but also a lot more fun than "i'm a cardboard cutout of a stereotype".
The Atheism = immoral shtick is actually really popular in Japanese media, especially, because of traditional older people scapegoating every problem of modern Japanese society upon the rise of atheism in Japan. In addition, it is very obviously what they were going for. Mentioning that he was an atheist in the way he did was so completely unnatural and forced. Furthermore, he was even outright called a heathen by his boss for what he was doing and clearly depicted as, yes, an awful person without having established any motivation for him besides him being an atheist. I mean, seriously, he literally respoded with "I am an atheist" in response to "what you are doing is unethical." These two things are utterly unrelated and yet he actually stated that him being a bad person was because of him being an atheist; furthermore, psychopaths don't do that, they don't consider themselves bad (they don't even considered such a concept to be meaninful). It is extremely unlikely that anyone would consider that they are a bad person for what they believe in (unless they have been taught that doing so is wrong--and yet he clearly takes pride in his atheism due to his smug look). This scene was patently absurd and obviously bigoted. I also agree with everything that Oscar said. This episode was a lazy info-dump disguised as a paper-thin narrative about a cardboard cut-out of a scapegoat as its focus and narrator. Not to mention, no, him complaining about APE taking control so easily makes perfect sense; APE would have to have replaced the oil companies in this fictional universe otherwise, and as they only suddenly appeared in a world that seemed to have resembled our own this makes no sense to assume. Also, episode 20 makes it clear that this is impossible as well, because APE are aliens whom only just arrived on the earth at the time. In addition, no, APE was not presented (in episode 19 even) as having a lot of political power; they were referred to as a start-up group; they simply appeared and lacked influence until their immense success which was extremely contrived for the reasons the guy in the video stated (that oil companies would not simply allow some start-up company to expensively alter the entire world's main natural resource sector over a couple of years...Not even to mention that doing so in 7 years would not even be physically feasible...)
@Yal Rathol Well, Socrates was not actually an atheist, but yes, he was persecuted by people believing he was. (He still believed in the Gods of Athens and even that their laws were ordained by the Gods; he just believed that people should have reasons for what they believed in (which the people he questioned did not, and so he challenged them). From what little accounts we have of Socrates' beliefs (mind you he never wrote down nor published any of his philosophy) he considered himself to have been divinely inspired in some sense.
Regu oh certainly, i don't mean to say he was an atheist, athiesm wouldn't exist for millenia in any true sense, the best you would get are deists and well-traveled agnostics (which i will always hate for being a terrible word that means something other than what the words say). however, it is a fact that he was executed for teaching children to doubt the words of the temples and the holy texts and that the mindset of "question everything" that he and those like him helped to propagate eventually gave rise to the scientific revolutions and the birth of materialism, nihilism and atheism. i simply used him as an example because i figured it would be more visceral if it was a famous smart person, rather than "and the romans didn't just throw christians to the lions, they also threw pagans and atheists" or something like that.
I think what bothered me the most was the fact that the first two thirds of it was amazing. The story, the characters, everything. they didn't make the main heroine some shit waifu material, and they left plently of mystery for the fans. But after episode 19, they demolished that. At the end Zero Two became just tasteless Waifu material. All of her characteristics I loved so much were gone. The whole build up led to "oh we gotta kill the aliens", and the ending was so unsatisfactory with the whole reincarnation thing that I feel like someone carved my lungs out with a rusty fork.
According to Nate Downes above, apparently the story went totally downhill due to major production issues. Basically, originally Trigger and Studio A1 were going to do alternating episodes, but A1 didn’t deliver, Trigger had to edit their episodes at the last minute to hack things together and hide the missing stuff, and then Cloverworks (made from former A1 members) had to pull the second half of the series out of their asses at the last minute to fill the required 24 episodes. But there is still some hope; the original script was kept and adapted into a manga (with English translation). IDK how good that is, but there is a possibility of this getting a reboot like FMA Brotherhood.
So Stein:s Gate is the opposite of this show, literally has anti dogma and pro science messages, that while science might mess up, the endless Scientific pursuit is also the only way the solve them. Human has to sort out its own mess, there is no god to do it for us. Sorry, using any opportunity to slide in Stein;s Gate references :P
So episode 20 just rolled around and it actually explains a lot of the plot elements that you were upset about. However it introduced new ones that I am far angrier at. I MEAN CMON WE ALREADY HAVE GIANT MONSTERS WE DIDN'T NEED ANOTHER NEW NON HUMAN THREAT
well now all the ape moves make sense, since it seems that they used humanity to weaken the klaxosaour so the alien could invade earth, they literally play everybody like a damm fiddle
Heyy, i agree with you but you got the wrong area, the "engineering" in genetic engineering referes to modification of the genome, somone that studies this area won't necesarilly have any knowledge of engineering unless they dedide to study that separetlly. I think the closest to what you meant would be biomedical engineering, wich focuses on both biology and engineering to create most of the medical gear and machines.
I disagree with the opinion that it immediately went down hill after 15. I think developing the secondary characters was great. It is entirely a character driven show focusing on the development of Squad 13 and their journey toward autonomy. The action was really just some icing on the cake. However I hardily agree that the show shit the bed with episode 19 and 20. The writers pulled a sharp 180, shoehorning in a convoluted backstory and plot filled with undeserved, un-foreshadowed reveals and twists. I'm pretty sure this sudden flip of narrative approach is simply a means to an end. The writers knew where they wanted the main characters to be at the end of the series, but they didn't know how to get them there, so they contrived this bullshit alien invasion/Franxx are Klaxosaurs plot line to use as a vehicle.
The plot exposition dump is just to prepare the audience for the final fight of the series in the next 4 episodes, at least they have now ticked the "world building" box over on their bucket list.
I disagree. I don't think they did this to check a box. They already had subtle and enigmatic "show don't tell" world building that was quite impressive and very rare to see. Like I said, I strongly believe that the writers had to more or less tack on thise contrived plot simply to use it as a vehicle to finish out the character arcs. Also, I don't think this sudden inclusion of a plot dump was to "prepare the audience for the final fight". No other fight in the series needed a convoluted plot to justify it. This isn't a battle shonen. While it has good action, it isn't an action focused show, nor is it a plot driven show. It is character driven. Thus is would make little sense for the writers to shoehorn in this info dumb to prepare the audience for a fight, when the fighting isn't and hasn't ever been the focus to begin with. Just like every other battle thus far, they could have included some brief, pseudo-enigmatic information as to why the fight is happening and the audience would be entirely satisfied.
The original manga had this whole exposition before it even introduced the first character. They just delayed that for episode 19, and had plenty of time before that point to be more subtle about explaining things. That opportunity however, was not used to its fullest extent. This seemed like a hurried attempt to not deviate too much from the manga and trying to explain everything as quickly as possible to introduce the aliens for the audience before they run out of episodes to air.
+Token Finnish Guy Sorry but you are completely backwards. There was no original manga. The manga is an adaptation of the series. The anime came first. The manga is a side project begun due to the success of the anime. The script for the series likely existed in full before the idea of the manga adaptation was even put on the table.
Why is it so radically different in the way it is presented from the manga though? It does not matter which way around they are- it is still quite an odd decision. It does not also remove the question why they condensed so much lore into just two episodes; it wouldn't make sense from a writer's view especially since they have been dropping hints slowly all series. The fact is, they have just 4 more episodes left, they probably had to dump all the info to get to the final climax of the show without leaving the audience any questions.
To the people saying that episode 20 solves these problems - some quick thoughts:
as expected, the FranXX are Klaxosaurs - this is still a weak twist, and they made dr. franxx lie to himself in his own internal monologue to deliver it, which is weak writing.
The magma is also Klaxosaurs, which doesn't answer the question of how it works, it just creates a layer of abstraction. How did Klaxosaur civilization thrive without it? Were they using themselves as fuel all along?
I'm still enjoying the show, but it's not doing a good job of explaining itself, or of separating itself from the great mecha anime that preceded it.
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The VIRM reveal was weaaaaaaak. FranXX = Klaxosaur reveal was obvious (I just wanted to know how they were going to go about revealing it), magma energy thing felt pretty unnecessary. The fact that not all of APE were VIRM was the most surprising thing about the episode. I'm going to have to rewatch the series so far (again) to see if there's ANY foreshadowing involved with the VIRM thing.
DitF follows Evangelion's footprints very closely, but also very sloppily; however, it takes itself too seriously to be able to be considered a satire or parody or deconstruction (hah, a deconstruction of a deconstruction). But honestly, I don't care about its weaknesses. I watch a lot of anime and lots of it is probably devoid of any real value. But it's hard to ignore an homage to a series I really love, because it's so entrenched in the Eva "formula" (with some modifications) that it can offer some new ways to examine Eva (or just renew your appreciation for it by offering something inferior).
Damn this episode was TRASH, literal BULLSHIT, this anime was building so good... what a shame :/ at least we still have Megalobox and Kado.
What did you actually think of episode 20? It felt like a huge exposition dump again, but this time with pretty visuals and gigantic plot twists coming from fuckin nowhere. I was so confused. None of these events were alluded to: TF is the Star Entity? WHO TF IS VIRM? Why did the Klaxosaur princess suddenly shift her focus from stopping the humans to defending against VIRM and how did she know they were coming? It's a clusterfuck.
Richmond Boswell did you watch the episode? 001's entire goal was to stop VIRM, and VIRM was deceiving humanity to get them to fight the Klaxosaurs.
In the episode itself it mentions how this isn't the first time VIRM attempted to invade Earth.
Is it weird that young Dr. Frankxx looks like a discount Eraser Head
Roast *insert question mark*
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He looks kinda like hiro
He looks exactly like him, without thed scarf n goggles
Omg i thought i am the only one who thought that!
The old "atheists are inherently immoral" stereotype reminds me of a story about a Jewish teacher.
The Master [teacher] teaches the student that God created everything in the world to be appreciated, since everything is here to teach us a lesson.
One clever student asks: “What lesson can we learn from atheists? Why did God create them?”
The Master responds: “God created atheists to teach us the most important lesson of them all-the lesson of true compassion. You see, when an atheist performs an act of charity, visits someone who is sick, helps someone in need, and cares for the world, he is not doing so because of some religious teaching. He does not believe that God commanded him to perform this act. In fact, he does not believe in God at all, so his acts are based on an inner sense of morality. And look at the kindness he can bestow upon others simply because he feels it to be right.”
“This means,” the Master continued, “that when someone reaches out to you for help, you should never say ‘I pray that God will help you.’ Instead, for the moment you should become an atheist, imagine that there is no God who can help, and say: ‘I will help you.’”
Still the best religious interpretation of atheists I've ever seen
works by Madeleine L'Engle in a nutshell
All this is because people never study the gospels and the true meaning. Jesus Christ said, one thing above all, is love each other, helping the poor, the people in need, because in them I'm living.
@@Arucard.HellsingThe fact that many of the loudest and purportedly most devoted Christians seem to sincerely think that if Jesus were reborn today he'd be railing against immigration, universal healthcare and any sort of social safety net while preaching the virtues of laissez-faire capitalism, white pride and women knowing their place may be disheartening you have to admit it would make for a funny TV show. Imagine Jesus of Nazareth hosting a PragerU episode about how being expected to not intentionally misgender people is like being crucified all over again.
I don't agree with that last line of becoming an atheist for a moment, but like it over all.
How a several million year war between the anti-spirals and lava demons was put to an end by one man's monster girl fetish
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10 outta 10 plot, if you ask me. Confounding as to why it isn't considered a classic anime already.
because he's an atheist
yeah....
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No, you’re wrong. Darling in the Franxx is a 15 episode series
Gumbo i hope you meant 18. and if you weren’t joking it was 24.
Crunchyroll bugged for me so the episodes after episode 15 didnt show and the way episode 15 ended, i thought it was the legit end. And it was a pretty ok ending too.
Derpo Cheeseball Well... I mean come on, after the main character’s development was complete, the show was over, or it shoulda been. I mean come on, I WaNt To GeT pReGnaNt, then it proceeds to go even MORE downhill and by the last episode man... wtf am I even watching
Gumbo yeah i thought the show was weird but i enjoyed it.
Um.. yep no one can disagree
This is so weird, I'm also an atheist and I manage to go entire weeks without feeling the desire to enact unethical experiments and torture children.
That's strange, you should see a psychologist.
Shenaldrac lol
That's simple, you merely don't believe, rather than throwing a temper tantrum against the god you totally don't believe in.
Or at least your not the kind to find basic moral rules excessively restrictive.
Well yes, that's the difference between atheism and misotheism. Atheism is not believing in a god, misotheism is believing in a god and hating that god. They are two separate, distinct belief (or lack of belief) systems. The movie God's Not Dead didn't seem to understand that...
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I'm fine with all the char development, with the drama, marriage, and all that stuff. Heck, I like those stuff.
The only thing I can't stand is the "Alien" plot twist. Like they can't came up with any other thing?
Wop de fcking do, the enemy is alien all along. The fck...
I feel like how they handle the timing and execution. The ending imo is well executed but the alien plot twist oh my god.
I agree with what you said. In my opinion VIRM was really the only questionable element in the show. The other side plots were undoubtedly left-field at times, but that's what made the show what it was. Overall, one of my favorites out there!
@Cesar Martinez idk after 15 I still think it's terrible.
@Cesar Martinez how is it a cliffhanger tho. They died and they reincarnated. The rest of the team grew old and died.
I mean Klaxosaurs were already in the show, I kinda wasn't surprised by the Alien reveal. I was surprised by how quickly they left Earth, why they in space now wtf?
I abandoned the show when aliens just appeared out of freaking nowhere; at least parts of Gurren foreshadowed the anti-spirals.
If you watched the show you'd know what the "aliens" were and that they been there way before squad 13. Its not like they just "showed up" like you said.
i binged the show so i don't know if there's more foreshadowing but I do recall there being a part where a member of ape did an insanely inhuman attack on the klaxosaur queen and then some members of ape were surprised by the event. This hints at some kind of conspiracy where all the members of ape are not united (hence the main members being part of the Vern and that's why they killed their human counterparts when the aliens showed up)
Daniel Tsiu I'm pretty sure that happened 1 episode before the aliens were revealed
Hell the fucking anime opens with a grown up simon waging war in space against an unkown enemy at the time. The movie opens with the background story of lord Genome where they straight up show the anti spirals. The whole story of gurren lagann revolves around the anti spirals.
@@zzxp1 Genome literally kicks off the whole story by driving humans underground to hide them from the Anti-Spirals. And for good reason too.
Wife:-dies-
FRANXX: OH NO, anyways
Bruh....
Evangelion:
"I'm not saying Darling in the Franxx is doomed to be hot garbage"
Ron Howard voice: "It was"
"And The garbage it was.."
Mike
I really wish those last 5 episodes were completely different
but the last episode lol
I T. W A S.
Some of the hottest garbege there was in fact.
n_n love how 02 has become a meme now and the seirse is just like "well that happend"
This show now is in a limbo of "pretty neat but WTF! was 19 and everyting after???"
Maybe Darling in the Frankxx's evangelion style twist is that it has a mediocre ending
Now that's a TRIGGERing ending. Fits their name rather well.
Justin Y. You misspelled Franxx
I'm Just Saiyan (Lenny face)
Justin Y.
Mate...
7th video in a row ._.
Do you have a life?
Wyd
Just finished the show..... It really takes a huge nosedive at the end. Like holy shit.
Soon as it ended I just sat there like “wtf bruh why they do dis?”
"Uhh, don't worry guys, it was aliens being dicks the entire time! All humans are absolved of blame! Don't worry the only 2 somewhat interesting characters aren't dead they're just reincarnated in a Utopian World that won't last because the bad guy is unkillable!"
Just finished the anime. I don't like the ending like wtf would be happy with that shit
I know right? VIRM had no actually purpose except: “we have an episode quota to meet.”
I couldn’t finish, the wedding arc was too much for me
They wanted to do Eva, but ended up with SAO.
Bro... even SAO isn't that bad
Yanuchi Uchiha: Anime, Games and Ramdomness
omg omg lmaooooo
mondaymeowo sao isn’t bad. At least the first season.
TRuE BLaZe bro. Incestheim Arc is all I’ll say.
okay, some of you have a point, ig. Like, the first arc of the first season was kinda good. Pretty basic, but the idea was good. Out of SAO and into the fairy game, it was shit. sns.
I hate what they did to Zero two's character, she was entertaining because of her mischievous and rule-breaking nature. It wasn't even a character flaw! Stripping that away gave my favourite character an entertainment value of watching Kirito file his taxes.
I love that joke🤣
@@JoyintheA.M Me too. 😆🤣
The joke is nice but again, she was a dangeruous mass murderer
@@matyaspiller3942 Whem you want to see it like this: yes, but if you wan't to see a girl near to every man on the entire planet wants to "ride" and just die, because she is how she is and thats not her fault, you see that.
Totally... I rly enjoyed her past personality.
15:23 It is impossible not to avoid thinking about the Gigguk's video “Darling in the FranXX in 10 Minutes” and the Goro character screaming: “FRIENDSHIP?! This robots run on doggie-style!”
Not to mention his gloriously hilarious rant that comes afterwards, which goes something like this :
"IS THIS IT ?! IS THIS *REALLY* HOW WE'RE GONNA END IT ?!?! THE PLOT HOLES IN THIS STORY ARE SO FUCKIN' LARGE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE IN SPACE OR THE GODDAMN WROTER'S ROOM !! DID I SIT THROUGH 24 EPISODES FOR *THIS ?!* AAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGHHHH !!!!"
I’ve watched giggku’s video so many times I know it by heart lmao 😂😂
.........yea I have no life 🙃
*_Fucking decks Hiro in the face._*
Spank me hard and i'll shout daddy to get the engine starting
At least he got laid in the end
"Well I am an athiest" could have been a great sarcastic, defensive reply. Shame they didn't do that properly, and as an atheist myself it always makes me cringe to hear that sort of thing.
Well if it makes you feel better.
I'm religious and not Athiest
When I heard him say he's Athiest I honestly didn't care much about that, ya he tortured people but I don't think that's because He Athiest.
(Edit, added "Don't" to my sentence. Because I forgot to include it. Without "don't" , my sentence looks completely opposite.)
@Snoi Med Aye, that'd be much more effective and interesting.
@@IPromiseTomorrow Was....there a typo in that or a genuine admission of hatred for atheists?
@@TheGreatBackUpVIDEOS ya I actually did make a typo. I don't hate Athiests.
"When I heard him say he's athiest I didn't care. Ya he tortured people but I ____ think it's because he's athiest."
Ya that ___ In the blank space
Was supposed to have a "Don't"
Here is the fixed sentence.
"When I heard him say he's athiest I didn't care. Ya he tortured people but I *don't* think it's because he's athiest."
Yeah, that could easily be a BS excuse he uses for something else he doesn’t want to talk about.
Let’s not forget that they use aliens as an excuse to do teen pregnancy.
@Anon 😑
@Anon teens can't raise a baby properly no matter how it turns out physically
@Anon yes but we are talking about the parallel to real life
@Anon k let's say the show portrays pedophilia as a normal thing, nobody is going to become a pedophile because of the show but its still a bit of a bruh moment
@@rishiy6183 How did u think our ancestors reproduced? Once a girl reached puberty , most ancient cultures and group saw them fit for marriage and making children. Hell, some cultures men had multiple teenage women whom they were married to. Its only scorn in modern society because its a burden at such a young age nowadays, it hurts the child schooling enviornment, getting a job , stress etc.
(Im not promoting or justifying teenage pregnancy, im just saying kokoro getting pregnant so young wasnt an issue, remember they didnt grow up with proper parenting or guidance about these things)
Here before Geoff becomes an evil scientist because he's an Atheist.
I'm already running evil experiments on your waifus
Episode 20 is insanely good tho... atleast thats my point of view.
Féar the Bug I agree, I watched it and enjoyed it throughly, I disagree with 90% of what Geoff said.
Okay, so I don't know what you guys thought. But I felt like the writers made Dr. Franks really "vegan" (so to say) in episode 19. It was like...
"Are you going to get the immortality surgery, doctor?"
"No, I'm an atheist."
"What do you think of having children?"
"Did I mention I'm an atheist?"
Like I don't know what the writers were thinking, but he brought it up like 3 or 4 times.
BARELY SLEEPING NEET My brain trembles
"it's not doomed to have a awfull conclusion". the naiveness of the past only hurts my unclosed wounds.
I disagree tho, its conclusion was freaking cool, it just wasn't a conclusion on the same anime from episode 1.
Like, somone zaped to a another anime XD and we left with to storys one with no conclusion and one with no start.
but both really really confusing.
@@MouseGoat i mean we went from on earth. killing regular monsters to in ONE FUCKING EPISODE. GIANT SPACE UNICORN ZERO TWO IN SPACE FIGHTING THE FLEEING GOVERNMENT WHO ARE IMORTAL SO ITS POINTLESS ANYWAY just so they could fill the episode quota it ruined the series :(
I'm still pissed after 2 years about Kokoro and Mitsuru losing their memory
I think it's funny they erased their memories but didn't abort the baby so no matter what they were going to get back together
@@blankslate7491 Exactly
Dont worry they banged multiple times after
@@quandaledingle7469 why are we here on this video years later?
lol
@@jpfrederick666 lol
Let's be honest: Everyone watched this anime because of Zero Two, there's no other reason
We in the Kirby community have had a Zero Two for nearly 2 decades, and while it isn't exactly waifu material, I'm sure some people might have a thing for giant angelic bloody eyeballs.
I actually wanted to watch it because of ichigo even if the story turned to shit
I do not
Zero two is not even that good. She's pretty much a shit bitch
Eikoエイコ I’m sorry but ichigo is not best girl
Darling in the Franxx is a genuinely good anime, except everything episode 19 and past that
I'd say episode 15 to nicely round off the main arc. I'd rate it an 8/10 through episode 15, dropping it to a 4/10 after completing the show...
I really enjoyed it. But the ending depressed me. Really disappointing.
I foresight from epsiode 2 almost everything what would happened and its even worse
@@erehh9817 Experiencing some post-darling depression too due to the poorly written ending. It could've been a much more beautiful ending than it is right now. The entire space thing and giant flesh metal 02 strelizia was just unnecessary as well. Guess the manga does a great job fixing every mistake the anime made.
I definitely understand why everyone doesn’t like the ending and stuff but honestly I love the entire anime lol
They just destroyed the world and it's mystery with a single backstory
you see. The single backstory explained everything
This confirms that Geoff really loves Sword Art Online
Shinigami Teichou I was also one of those people who critize SAO for having a bad plot but still enjoyed it, Atleast SAO is enjoyable to watch, that shit ain't even enjoyable.
Exactly. At least SAO had amazing direction and soundtrack. This show doesn't have anything to make it watchable
Hatred is more often than not the pain of love for potential unmet. I think that sums up Sword Art Online nicely.
*B O I*
When a simple joke starts revving up the SAO automated shield defense mechanisms. Calm down, guys. Seriously.
Thiago52192
Amazing direction?
I never seen a show just throw away everything that made it special
What happened ?I’m to lazy to watch the show
@@notaye1254 they put aliens in the plot during the last 4 episodes
@Vulgarizingcivic why did this affect the plot so much? (I am sorry I have not developed the quote on quote „adult taste“ or „adult point of veiw“ on tv shows.
kRAZPEN it basically makes everything that happened before the aliens pointless and irrelevant, and comes off as an easy way out rather than having a good ending. They built up the fight with the queen to be very climatic throughout the 2 seasons , only to throw it away at the last few episodes.
The only thing it ever had that was special was its brilliant animation and fantastic aesthetics. Nothing about the plot or the characters was ever special to anyone over the age of 12.
Crutches exist because sometimes writers fail to account how to really explain what the fuck happened. Yeah they did good on the early episodes but it's entirely possible that they blew their load and just wanted to wrap it up because you're already 19 episodes in and will more than likely finish the series regardless of what they do.
Except they really didn't know what they were doing with early episodes, either. Not only are the early episodes riddled with plotholes, dumb decisions, and inconsistencies, but they're also incredibly poorly written from a narrative perspective. For example, look at Hiro's big 'kiss scene' with Ichigo during the duel. Narratively, this is meant to show how mechs desync and that's fine, but then it goes further and tries to make this big emotional thing out of Ichigo's feelings for Hiro which were never established. Heck, Hiro and Ichigo have barely even talked before this point and now we're expected to care about her big dramatic love confession thing and about her being flustered over an action she should have no sexual connotation over at all because NONE of these kids know what a kiss even is???
I'm sorry, but just no. I don't see how anyone can really defend such a poorly set up BS. You can't just show us two characters who've barely talked before and just expect people to care just because you play some dramatic music over it, that's the type of crap we all justifiably make fun of SAO for all the time and Franxx doesn't get a pass on it just because it's partially from a studio that's known for making great shows.
dracocrusher true, they did suddenly make drama between inchigo and hiro, but what can you expect. It would have taken the series longer for the proper character development needed and then just for two characters who dont even end up with eachother, it would be unnecessary. But they do end up making sense out of inchigo's love for hiro, sadly with flashbacks, but at least you understand why you chose hiro. He gave her a name, in a world where their identities didn't matter and made her feel like she mattered. Especially is a cruel world like theirs, it was enough for her feelings to be understood. Jusr imagine if she kissed him and they put mad back story into this. And then he still ends up with zero two, we'd all be confused due to the heavy back story between them both. It would be interesting I admit, but it would make the story longer and essentially only for one piece of the whole plot
And then of course the kiss gave the response it did, cuz since one of the shows themes is what does it mean to be a human, her emotions, rather being kind of dumb or not, were important to the understanding of how their human instincts are always intact, and even a cruel life cant change that. Our brains react to the sight of sexual things irl, and in the show as you see the boys reacting to the girls clothes melting, realistically, they probably would not have cared considering all they know is following their mission and would never have time for their pervy minds to run wild always training and thinking about their purpose, yet I believe its good its like that becuz its relatable.
Idk I guess thats just how I feel, even if i could be wrong
+Akko is my Daughter
It would take time to properly build up a full relationship to work off of, but they really don't need to do that, they just needed to imply that there's something there. And because it's the second episode, there's a lot of room for clever artistic misdirection or implications. I mean, especially if this show relied on tropes or archetypes as a quick shorthand, it would be super easy to showcase a quick connection between Hiro and Ichigo in the buildup to the fight.
But all of this is going to either work or fail much more easily based on how much the audience is into Ichigo and Hiro. Which is always going to be a subjective thing to some extent, but yeah. So how do we make these characters interesting and engaging? That's a question writers have been struggling with since the beginning of time, but the answer generally seems to be to give them distinct well fleshed out characters and moments that set them apart from eachother. And here's where I think a lot of Darling in the Franxx really falls apart outside of the logical plotholes and poorly thought out storytelling.... Hiro's just a really boring character to me. He wants to do the thing that his genre dictates he'll eventually do, but outside of that he doesn't really have any preferences or likes or dislikes, he's just a kind-of boring reserved calm MC and Ichigo falls into a really similar trap because she also has very little to her. Which is a huge shame because usually Trigger's protagonists are amazing at avoiding this problem and they're usually very distinct and memorable with personalities that are easy to understand without having to devote much time to them and their side characters are just as memorable and fun.
Like for example, if you had this dual-pilot premise with Little Witch Academia or Kill la Kill then it'd be way more interesting and engaging because those characters have things to work off of eachother with. I can easily see them doing fun or interesting interactions between Akko trying to work with another witch or with Ryuko or Gamagori trying to find a partner and how their different personalities work off of eachother. Heck, Gurren Lagann basically already does this with the main mech and it works amazingly. But then you get to Hiro and it's just like... what is there to really get invested in? In trying to make the series super dramatic and serious, they gave up the distinctness that would help character personalities and without the depth behind these characters to make up for it, you're just left with basically nothing to work off of in a show about relationships where characters having depth and personality to them is the most important factor to the entire series. Thankfully 02 delivers on that front big time, but that really doesn't help any of these other moments based on other characters that mostly just don't have enough to them to make them feel engaging outside of their strong visual designs.
dracocrusher true, your absolutely right. I came in thinking this show would be good since a boy and girl pilot one mech seemed like a perfect situation for relationships, yet their characters are really unestablished. Inchigo's love for hiro, and Inchigo's response to the Goro's confession and thw character , konkoro and mitsuru relationship, hiro's personality, are but some of the things that could be a lot better.
I still believe their to be high points in the show, like when the boys and girls had a fight over the boys perversions and hiro brings a mature point on why they should think more about the girls feelings and what strives his love for zero two.
I admit it though, any other main character from trigger, would have been more interesting doing the main role. I hadn't many of the plotholes but im gonna look at it again to pay attention to what they were
Not knowing what you're doing and not explaining what is going on because of it is no problem as long as the story is engaging.
From the beginning the series set this up:
A guy wants to get into the robot, but needs a special rebel demon girl to do so and she seems dangerous. The human settlements are clearly in a very terrible situation (we know very early about the lack of emotions for example) and the leaders seem very suspicious and arrogant which indicates that they are the true bad guys.
The only thing that is needed to tell the story after this is that the writer keeps the viewer interested from then on, there is nothing here that needs to be explained and nothing needs to be revealed. In episode 1 the audience already knows everything it needs to know in order to accept the plot.
So what do you fill the remaining 23 episodes with? Well character development and plot development of course! Exploration of the setting can be a bonus and if there is some natural drama that can be created from the events during character and plot development that is great. But none of these things are necessary for the story to be interesting.
Please do not excuse poor storytelling when there was no need for the poor storytelling in the first place. Creating forced drama and other terrible and uninteresting scenarios is not excuseable in the least. If you can't do a good job of something then there is no point in doing it at all. And it is not like the subjects in Franxx didn't have time to be developed better. I have seen a multitude of series that are capable of handling several side plots at once.
Your only argument or excuse is that the writer is bad.
I actually thought the last 3 more slice of life episodes of FranXX were amazing, and I really enjoyed what they were doing with the story. It felt like a calm before the storm, where we are now reaching said storm.
for me, the only main character I dont care about out of the 10 is Futoshi. I really like all the others!
I like the concept of doing three slice of life episodes in a row a lot more than the show's specific execution of it. My issue with them is that the wedding story is just kinda... boring, compared to what they did previously with the weird love quadrangle.
I thoroughly enjoyed Mitsuru's character arc however, from being an edgy kid with an inferiority complex to where he ended up in episode 17 and the start of 18 was very well done for me. The main thing I don't like was how it reset the relationship between Mitsuru and Kokoro's relationship to square one, but I feel like this will be resolved by episode 24 (and if it isn't then that will change my opinion on the slice and life episodes entirely).
Maybe the back half needed either more time in the oven or more work on the plot than they thought. Not the greatest on the writing process, but let's say they had the show ready until episode 15 ready. Then take a year off to put together a stronger plot and the rest of the production process. Not that it would've happened because of the show being produced by two different studios, but I think it would help in this hypothetical situation
Archer cuz Kokoro needs to get pregnant without knowing sin so she can give birth to Jesus?
I'm not saying it's aliens... But it's aliens.
Why do I have a feeling that something like this happen in the Trigger´s creative office:
ruclips.net/video/YRNKnCJXmBc/видео.html
I take it you haven't seen the latest episode, then?
No I did and i was like: " Aliens, really" Just like Rhino at the end of Bolt´s movie.
APE being aliens was foreshadowed with the "And now, they'll feel the pain of having THEIR earth scorched by their own creation."
I didn't mind episode 19 too much. 20 made me lose confidence in anime.
The main complaint I have is how after the whole zero two changing for the better, she lost her spicy behaviour.
Tbh that just made her into a flat, boring girlfriend character.
Lol.. feelin the same bruh
Agreed. At the start, Zero Two was this fun-loving girl who liked to mess with people, had a complete disregard for rules, perhaps even a sociopath, and was all-around just a really interesting character. Then she just instantly 180d into a wishy-washy basic character. She had no trouble adapting to the new lifestyle, no glimpse of what used to make her character interesting, nothing to differentiate her from everyone else.
Also, the aliens. Just, what.
@@jasonwillows5239 lmao the ending you gave was the toppings 😂
@@jasonwillows5239 Because, trigger.
@@Scazoid Oh, that makes sense
"Anime isn't exactly the most scientifically accurate medium"
Laughs in Railgun
Laughs in MAC
@@zer02wo85 I think he meant the toaru series.
MAC cannons are lit, vaporizing covies made easy.
Chuckles to a stone doctor
Railgun??? scientifically accurate?? you literally in a world on the verge of making science into magic.
Using already well out of normals science stuff.
Sorry thats no "scientifically accurate" its "scientifically coool! as blody F" but normally people die by getting lightning strikes and dont get me started on the laws of conservation of energy.
@@Kamn_exe stone doctor is 100% down more scientifically accurate than Railgun for sure XD
Me at ep 1: k, let's watch this new anime. Hope IT'S not a Eva copy and paste
Me at ep 13:dude this is noice
Me at ep 20:U wot m8
Me at ep 24:*CRIES IN CONFUSION*
They should have ended with ep15
@izuku Midoriya that's not just your opinion
That's straight FAXX!!!
What is eva copy and paste?
@@subscribes6434 no, of course not why did you think that?
"it was aliens" or "it was just a dream"... ruins everything
pineco74
I feel the same, i was furious when all that alien stuff started happening with no warning.
except that it isn't when the ending is set up. spoilers, by the way, in the movie "a beautiful mind" based on actual person john nash, there are several characters who are hallucinations in nash's mind, because he suffers from paranoid schizophrenia. they set this up by having these characters simply appear in scenes with no mention as to how they got their, as if they teleported in or walked through a wall, because they're not real and can't do things like "open a door".
so, you can totally pull off "it was all a dream", but for that to work, you have to set it up and design the story around it, you can't just throw it out at the end and pretend it answers everything.
Yal Rathol
I loved that movie! It’s so hard to convince people to watch it though considering that if you explain the premise it spoils the entire thing...
This came across my feed this again morning, and it got me to reminiscing about how it was revealed things went sideways in production, and that so many of the issues pointed out in this have been revealed to be the result of an entire studio dropping out last minute.
Let me explain.
When it was announced, DitF was to be developed and produced by two studios, Trigger doing odd numbered episodes, and A1 doing even.
Know how many episodes A1 delivered? 1! They dropped out after delivering a single, solitary episode.
So Trigger had to re-edit their already in late development episodes to hide the gaps which now existed due to missing half the planned episodes.
But, they were still on the hook for a 24 episode series. In comes Cloverworks, a new studio founded by former A1 employees. They suddenly have 3 months to write a whole new second half of the show, and animate it.
Frankly, that the story is even coherent shows the incredible talent at both Trigger and Cloverworks.
The original shooting script was later adapted into the Manga, so if you are curious how the show was supposed to go, I strongly suggest reading that. That we did not get what they planned is truly a tragedy.
This comment right here. In my opinion I loved DITF and as you said, the fact they did what they did with all the problems shows how hard they went at this. I think it is a great show that delivers great symbolism and themes and it’s greatly Misunderstood, still my favorite anime. All that said I do like the manga better and I would love for the manga to get a reboot like they did to Fullmetal alchemist brotherhood. Being that DITF is still getting attention to this day like the english manga being released, Im still confident we will get a reboot animation
@@chrispbacon002 huh, didn't know it had one.
Nice to know; didn’t know this wasn’t the original plan. Hope we can get a remake like FMA Brotherhood or Hellsing Ultimate; if someone like Trigger can get behind the wheel again, that would be awesome!
ok, this explains a lot!
I like this comment
Man i liked Darling in the Franxx before ep 19, i feel like ep 20-24 is kinda rushed to me atleast.
Yeah, like GOT :/
Me too
That is what I told my friends.
it was a beautiful mess
[GD] Maskz apparently it was supposed to be 75 episodes but then was changed to 24 episodes
So you're saying that Sword Art Online is the best world building anime out of there?
Justin Y. oh it's you again
how ya doin?
Finally, you're late!
Annoying "omg you're everywhere" comments incoming
Why comment again
Justin Y. You know that one piece, Naruto, or FMAB still much better in the world building case..
But whatever that depends on your own opinion..
It's like when your boss stops looking at you so you go back to mediocrity.
TyphoonZebra hey don't I see u often in the comment section?
TyphoonZebra pretty sure it's u
Re:Creators did the same shit.
Grumblebuggy Spergamatron fully agree, as much as MB likes Re:C it is not any better then this show (also like Franx character design more).
I'm laughing whilst dying internally, because that's what I'm currently doing.
It’s sad because. I absolutely loved this show. And then. The last couple of episodes. Made me want to die 🤨
Yeah they fucking ruined it at the end....😣
Honestly I didn't understand why zero two became a robot spaceship ..like why did that need to happen?
Kc Mcclary i mean they should of known it was going to piss everyone off if they died 😂
@@TheRealGeorgeGibson True but I really want a sequel becuase the show has so much potential XD!
@@kcmcclary569
I was thinking that they've already established that the Franxx or the robot itself was the female and the core was the male for all klaxosaurs and franxx. So, to me it kinda made sense? i'm also pretty confident they just did that so they could make Apus look like Zero two in a bride outfit
"as an atheist my self i find to be so *GOD* DAMN insulting"
Jack Kaminsky ?
Geoff said GOD damn. That's the joke. It's irony.
Yeah, the claim that God has a monopoly on morality is pretty damn annoying.
Popular exsplicit words just become the same word but with different prounciations.
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you AREN'T brain damaged and about to make a "He used the word 'god' in a sentence, that means he's secretly not really an atheist!" argument.
Who really thought that a trigger anime about giant sexbots powered by boning fighting robot dinosaurs would possibly be hard scifi at all?
OrigamiShinigami A-1 created this shit. Trigger collaborated with A-1 in character designs and animation. Trigger left after ep 14
I expected sexy mecha... instead we got weightless moe sexbots.
@@sillymiratm4315 Episode 14's around when it started going to shit. They put a lot of effort into developing the side characters early on but then abandoned them for no discernible reason.
Honestly I felt like the writer’s chickened out of showcasing humanity and religion being the enemy because of how the media backlashes over everything nowadays and Franxx is popular enough to be vulnerable.
Evangelion kind of did it already but it still would’ve been better than the alien/space shit show they tried to pull off in the last 4 episodes.
Tbh, if they risked the backlash they might've had a show worth talking about past the initial controversy.
fun fact: the director of DITF was a key animator in End of Evangelion
Would that even have raised an eyebrow in Japan? This is the place where they decided to make "baby's First Final Fantasy" for the Gameboy, and the plot was climbing up to heaven to kill God.
@@bm1747 Possibly with a one-hit-kill chainsaw no less!
@@TheGreatBackUpVIDEOS Whole point of the Anime was returning into humanity like procreation emotions etc. It is antithesis to emotionless human activity. There is was good video about this on ManMode's channel. Which I profoundly agree on.
DITF for anyone that hasn’t watched it:
1. Starts off with a girl, Zerotwo, who’s looking for her soulmate that she last saw when she was like, maybe 5 years old
2. She finds Hiro, and uses him to find her soulmate by pretending to date Hiro
3. Zerotwo starts losing her sanity and is basically dying. Also almost kills Hiro.
4. Zerotwo realizes her “fake” boyfriend is actually her soulmate she was looking for. They beat the main alien through the power of love and whatnot.
5. There’s a great ending, cool, cool. You can end it here.
6. Writers proceed to troll the viewers by rushing the ending by adding unnecessary DLC villains and then killing off the two main characters.
7. *July 7th, 2018 shit ending incident*
Edit after one year: I MEAN FUCK, SWORD ART ONLINE WAS BETTER
Planning on watching it, where should i end it?
@Sarim Alright, Will do
@Sarim I actually loved the character development, Too bad it couldn't stay like that forever...
Man wish it had an ova to end things on what happened after they met... Again.
GOD DAMN IT, I FOUND A SPECIAL BUT IT WAS A FUCKING.. AGHHHHHH
I thought the whole "Im an atheist " line was Dr.Franxx's way of saying that his world view was grounded on practicality rather than morals and ethics.
Japan mostly has a loose view on religion and I don't think that the creators meant to push an agenda here.
But I do Agree that it's a week reason for Dr.Franxx's actions.
Dr. Franxx is like a failed attempt to recreate Victor Frankenstein. But Victor was a more compelling character because he was FLAWED instead of EVIL. He was a coward and he was obsessed, but he was relatable because he struggled between condemning himself for his actions and trying to run away from the responsibility of those actions. Victor's downfall is not "because he's an atheist" but because after playing God, he became afraid of what he had set in motion. If he rejects the idea of a flawless creator responsible for incredibly flawed creations (humans), how wretched would his own creation be?
Dr. Franxx instead has no real struggle with his pursuits of science. He doesn't reject the notion of a flawless being, rather he believes that humanity is meant to become flawless. You could even say that science is his god.
In my opinion i watched Franxx more for the drama rather than the giant robots
YES SAME
Next up, giant robot school girl high School.
lots of drama, but not much fighting. :P kind of just a slice of life.
Agreed. It’s actually what made it more tolerable IMO.
And in my and many others opinion, ifs the entire package. Drama is just one part of it. I'd rather just watch a show focused on thriller drama
that's literally the whole mecha genre
If they gonna bring this show back they gotta remake the whole thing. The ending was just too terrible to bring the original back up.
Agreed😢😢
That will be hard to do when the intriguing part of the show was the mystery of its world in the first 15 episodes, which is ruined forever by the stupid plot decisions made afterwards.
What makes shows like One Piece so successful is that the mystery of the world has been slowly revealed throughout 1000 episodes, keeping the audience engaged and when major plot points are revealed they make sense and are usually satisfying
I am surprised that when Geoff mentions Atheist Scientist, he never mentions Dr. Franx is Mary Shelly's Frankenstien.
"DO YOU GET IT? HE IS FRANKENSTIEN? AND HIS NAME IS FRANX? DO YOU GET IT?"
Okay, real shit: If I have to hear you talk about SAO one more time, I'm gonna deepthroat a razorblade.
Don't. You will just hurt yourself, because some prick on the Internet said something?
Will you record that for me?
MLG_M3mE_FaGg0t You better prepare yourself for the suffering, then...
Just so we're clear, I think SAO is trash too.
jose acivedo *you're gonna...
Ok why is not believing in god instantly mean your a nihilistic atheist who believes he can do anything without consequence and vice versa why does believing in god mean you get turned into a fanatical cult leader who justifies everything as gods work. There are plenty of people in the world who can be considered morally good despite theistic or philosophical differences
Lord Inquisitor atheists are nihilistic in nature. As a person who is one and seen many.
Yeah, but he kept saying it.
"I'm an atheist, you see..."
"Well, I'm an atheist..."
"Being an atheist..."
I GET IT! YOU'RE GONNA DIE LATER ON IN THE SERIES! NO NEED TO SAY IT ANYMORE!!!
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No. Atheists don't believe in God. That is our nature as atheist - nothing more and nothing less. You can separate us further into gnostic or agnostic atheists but that's about it.
Nihilism is a *completely* different thing altogether. What atheism and nihilism do have in common is that nihilism is very rarely depicted in media in a way resembling real life nihilism.
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That is completely incorrect.
In fact, a lot of times they're better morally than most religious people. I've never heard of an "atheist crusade", "atheist based terrorist attack", "atheist genocide", or anything like that
Nobody:
Literally no one:
Not a soul at all:
Darling in the FranXX writers: Virm...
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I always get scared when people ask what is stopping me from doing horrible stuff since I don't believe in God aka divine punishment, because, like... is that it? Is that the only reason why you don't kill, rape and or torture other living creatures? Because you fear punishment from God? Are you telling me that you would do all that and more and anything you want if you didn't fear god?! Is that the only thing keeping you from hurting, stealing or lying to other people?! That is damn worrying!!!!
Sir Canavar I think it's less divine punishment and more of a lack of divine guidance.
These things aren't conclusions that people have normally reached historically so without God there would really be no way to say something like "murder is wrong" without the silent addendum of "in my opinion". Event the morality of most atheists in the west is still influenced by Christianity. People rarely develop their own systems of morality, they tend to get them from where they're living and the culture that they live in.
Agreed 👍It is very worrying.
I guess you are right - I hope you are right.
But I still find it kinda freak that some people believe you fundamentally need an external sentient intangible guiding/inspiring force/image/goal to be able to be a good person, and not, you know, a conclusion you reach after interacting with other living beings and empathizing with them, and so wishing to do good, or at least to not harm the other.
Sir Canavar for those people it is worrying but not all of them are like that, i believe in God but i was raised and taught not to do anything horrible by my parents.
Sol King Of course of course. Please, do not think I am putting all religious people on the same box - never.
It is just some of them, that some times pull stuff like that, that makes me kinda worried that some people out there arived to the conclusion that steping on other people is bad not by their own morals that they developed after some life experience plus thinking - and thus I should not hurt the other because I do not like being hurt -, but because God/other person said so. Thank you for not being one of those.
Episode 20 comes out
Suddenly aliens....
The hints were there for awhile now.
Can someone please tell wtf is going on.
Well it is studio trigger.
literally almost all their animes end with a world war or galactic battle.
I thought that the, "FranXX are part klaxosaurs" thing was hinted at when Kokoro switched partners and then tried to pilot her Franxx by herself, causing it to start to go berserk (When the FranXX's head turned into a klaxosaur for a few moments). Also in part 19, I thought it was to be assumed that he made the Franxx from them based on how he was talking about their creation, and that part was more or less to confirm it as 100% fact.
RagingSpartan24 also hinted in episode 1 when hiro thought strelitzia was a klax fighting another klax
Yeah, there were a lot of hints through the show that the klaxosaurs and franxx were the same, I don't know where he's coming from with this logic that the show didn't explain it.
To me the problem is, hints and foreshadowing isn't the same thing as a reveal. Yes they've hinted it, and we can infer that the Franxx are related to the klaxosaurs. What is the relation though? Are they clones? Are they reverse engineered? Are they just dead klaxosaurs bodies with armor? Hints and foreshadowing gave me ideas on where the show is going, but the writers shouldn't just assume that I've reached the same conclusion that they were going for and move on without explaining it.
Yen50414 unless this is the final episode they still have time to explain it??
tanki motoko You're right, there's still time to explain it, why bother waiting though? They took an entire episode (19) to do nothing but info dump, explaining the origin of the FranXX among other things. So why leave out explaining what the FranXX actually are? That was the perfect time to answer those questions.
*Adult Dr. Franxx looks like grown up Ishigami from Love is War*
No Name
I thought the same
He kinda reminded me of Doctor Wily from Megaman
I dropped it after episode 15. I guess it was a right decision
Yeah, same here...
@@captainbodyshot2839 I should have...
1-18: damn we better do something about the khaloxsaurs
20-24: ITS ALIENS I TELL YOU, ALIENSSSSS
If I recall correctly, I dropped it after episode 16. Still no regrets.
I regret not dropping this garbage, it's such a bigoted piece of trash worldview it follows.
How did no one see this coming
This happened with Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagan this anime had same story themes going on lol
Oppressed humans - Check
Some Beastmen type enemy - Check
Evolution power - Check
Anti spiral type of race - Check
atleast TTGL kept the mech fights going :[
And there was no romance drama :[
I dunno Yoko loved Kamina aka Hiro and Zero Two then you had Simon aka Ichigo the rejects x'D both romance drama and got kamina killed R.I.P
Preston Garvey Did TTGL dedicate multiple episodes to drama, No. It was also simple unlike DitF, it used drama as a major turning point without dedicating a lot to it while DitF has all the drama yet it still did nothing to the overall story and world of the series
Ice Cookie i mean. the entirety of part 2 was "let my fiancee go", so there kinda was. it just rapidly gets buried in "simon invented teleportation to punch a guy in the jaw" and "throwing galaxies like shuriken".
Your thought process is almost a cringey as your profile picture.
I really wish that Darling in the Franxx kept the backstory more mysterious, or at least developed it slower. I really liked the air of uncertainty about the world and wished that it could keep the theme of young people learning more about their world and being unsure of what they're doing. I will continue to watch this show as I still want to see what happens to Hiro and Zero Two, but I'll always be kind of unhappy by the bad pacing. I'm guessing that they had to speed it up because of the fear that they'd have to rely on a season 2, which might not have happened.
TheGreatMillz I agree on that. I think because the series is ending, they had to hurry up and explain some things so there isn't too much information missing by the time Darlifra wraps up. If they had the time to develop the backstory more slowy, I'm pretty sure it would turn out better.
-I'm looking at you, episode 20-
One thing though, despite the problems here, I still think the whole situation is passable enough, it doesn't really harm the story that much, specially after the latest episode.
Shingeki no Kyojin though, I dropped the series after the reveal in the manga, the story just became totally boring.
I'd have bought a "Titans are aliens" or "Titans are a mutation", or even "Humans are the Aliens in a Titan World". Any of these three would've been decent enough, but what actually happened was so lame... Well, the story was already losing some points for pretty much focusing far too much on the leaders instead of the MC and his sister, and completely ignoring his character progression ever since the "I'll kill all Titans" scene.
3:25 "2025, long before the world went to shit" I'm not so sure about that...
Spoilers for the end of the season: I honestly was ok with the info dump episode, I could see why they did it even if I didn’t enjoy it. It’s the fact that they shoehorned aliens in at the last minute of the series when they already had such a well established antagonist in the Klaxosaurs
Yeah I had a feeling it was coming since I'd watched Gurren Lagann but holy shit that was bad Gurren Lagann is kinda rough at the beginning but it's needed for it to become great.
UwU
In short: it stopped being Trigger and started being A1.
This ^^^ Yet so many people didnt beleive me when i said the second OP had A1 written all over it
No, the twist in episode 20 is 100% trigger because they did it in 3 other shows
Ouch!
Yea then it went back to being Trigger lmao
I thought this show was more A-1 than Trigger from the beginning
I feel like they messed up with the pacing of the anime, therefore the need for a information dump, that and the health issues of the Japanese voice actor of Goro, plus maybe the concern that it may not get a season 2 making the writers want to tie this up quickly
K Teo that's the fucking problem those writers need to calm the fuck down and slow down,I don't care about 2 week hiatuses as ?Ong as they have the shit planned out and paced decently
K Teo Yeah, the guy says one or two lines and he's exhausted. I wonder that's the reason Futoshi went Bro Mode.
Eun-Sung Lee, you may not care about 2-week hiatuses (and neither would I - I just want what's best for the show and its creators), but you have to remember that in this industry, you get allotted a fixed slot of TV airings over a set period of time, and you simply *have* to deliver, because that's the contract you've made with the publishers/cable company/TV stations/whathaveyous. If you don't meet demands, terrible things happen, so it's not as easy as "just take more time". In a world where many, many anime vie for a place in the spotlight, getting that sweet "24 weekly episodes deal" set in place is both a blessing and a curse. You have your chance, but you also have a limited window of time, and a very rigid schedule on which you *must* deliver.
(And *then* there's stuff like Steven Universe and Cartoon Network's episode delivery "schedule", which is so radically different and inscrutable it frankly just confuses the hell out of me.)
tbh they shouldve like. written everything in advance instead of just slide through the work
They literally are not given time to. Most shows have a only a few month window between being greenlit and airing and the anime studios are usually working on a currently airing series during that time.
The whole industry is plain brutal.
I don’t know Kokoro, I only know Kokohoe
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Can you make the Children in your basement shut up. It's 2 in the morning and I can still hear them screaming help.
@@someonehelpmewithmymodules1609 okay fine i'll get rid of them
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@@lavilityisliability1576 Hey whats this "Mustard Gas Shower." Button for?
*Presses it.*
Since I am an Athiest and Nihilist should I become an evil scientist?
SylenDraws if you’re gunna make big robots, hell yeah!
I think by their logic, you are already an evil scientist. Congrats on your new promotion.
It seems that they have a lot of professional success, so go for it.
Yeah, that's what all the cool scientists are doing. Morals are for religious plebs
Good luck going to jail after rejecting morals.
Err, I'm going to finish franXX before I jump to the conclusion that it's the end of the world. Look, we all thought we were heading for a "humans created klaxosaurs" plot or "klaxosaurs came from the center of the earth all mad" plot. Personally, I would rather see batshit than cliche. Let's remember guren lagan went batshit too and it's pretty much remembered as one of the best mecha anime out there. I'm going to finish what I started.
Uncle Doom - One man's supposed "trash" is another man's flashy new Rolex, pal.
List me all the things Gurren doesn't have in common with DitF.
Uncle Doom Gurren is the perfect thing to compare this to. Not only are they BOTH post-apocalyptic mecha anime, they're also made by the same studio
Exactly
+BlackSaiyanX ehrr... No? Are you stupid? Gurren lagann was made by GAINAX (Neon Genesis Evangelion) and Darling by a collab between different studios including A-1 and Trigger... Where did that come from, wtf? Also, darling is not even post-apocalyptic as explained in today's episode.
HenriqueRJchiki ehh do you know what post-apocalyptic is? And " Studio Trigger, is a Japanese animation studio founded by employees of Gainax, Hiroyuki Imaishi and Masahiko Ohtsuka"
-“So, what are your thoughts on Darling in The FRANXX? Have you finished watching every episode?”
-“Yes, all 15 of them.”
-“B…but, there are 24 epi-“
-“DID I STUTTER?!”
14:28 "maybe it will be expanded in future episodes"
me: oh... he hasnt seen all of the anime yet.
I feel bad for him.
Hadn't finished at the time I believe
@@traister101 yeah
Reminds me of something said of David Cage's terrible games, "It is easy to write interesting questions, writing interesting answers is the hard part."
It is so easy to create a world with interesting questions of how it works, how it got to be that way, and what is going to happen next. And you can carry a story on dripping information towards those questions for a long time. Humans are curious, and will avidly follow to get those clues. But then if the eventual answer is a cop-out like 'magic/god/ancients did it' or something else stupid and/or unsatisfying then the entire story *retroactively becomes shit.*
The key is to manipulate the audience into thinking along the same lines as the writing team. Learn to control the audience's curiosity and you'll avoid having the audience's expectations outpace the creativity of the writing team. Foreshadowing and Chekhov's gun are a few ways of doing that.
In my opinion it's all but impossible to create a world that doesn't have some ties to something beyond human limitations. To have any fantasy element in a world, it has to have come from something in the past, and even if something is broken down into a science, the tiniest parts of that science are still beyond the limitations of human understanding. At some point, humanity will reach its limit or breaking point, and the ancient civilization angle can be used effectively as proof of it.
I haven't kept up much with FrankXX, but it seems like their misstep was making the Doctor venture beyond the limit, but come out of it pretty much the same as before. Lovecraft's eldritch horror works because it's all about "you don't go there, if you do you won't come back the same".
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Really tired of the portrayal and outright belief that atheists are amoral douchebags. Douchebags are douchebags regardless of beliefs - I don't need to waste time with examples on this.
And me being a religious person, who has dealt with and is friends with atheists, finds this trope to be overdone, overused and should be a thing of the past.
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TheBloodswordsman tldr
Someone else in the comments said they think the Doctor saying he's an athiest is an excuse he uses to justify his actions to himself.
Sean Taylor
It would be nice to think so, but such cleverness has proven to be beyond the writers of the show.
as an atheist, having an evil atheist justifying their beliefs and their villainy would require a hell of a lot better grasp on nihilism than most authors are willing to gain, which, combined with tradition, is probably half the problem.
i would be interested if a story opened with the villain justifying themself with "i'm an atheist" but over time you saw more facets of them and understood them better and started to see the cracks in their psychology that show why they would think "i'm an atheist" is justification for setting fire to a planet's atmosphere.
I honestly see more or plenty of portrayals of religious people doing bat shit crazy stuff to profess their undying devotion to their gods in media. So idk why you people are so desperate for so much censoring, it's writting.
(PS: I have no defined religion I follow but i do have a believe all of them are valid on a number of factors)
I'm telling you man, the first half was just flat out amazing, There was so much potential, the story was super interesting, the characters were getting good development and I was super excited to see where it would go from there.
I'm not too disappointed, but it's definitely far from what was expected.
The thing I missed the most is the action. No giga-laser that destroys everything it touches can give me the excitement I got from watching a team actually struggle in a fight against a real threat
Dudes like "im not saying franxx is doomed to have an awful conclusion" if he only knew at the time...if he only knew
Having just watched the newest episode that came out pretty much at the same time as your reaction to the previous, I'm fucking dying laughing.
Saaaaame lmao
I remember thinking that this might have been one of my favorite animes of all time and by the end of it I'd never felt more disappointed in a show.
This video is buffering like crazy for me. :(
Whiterun Guard
I thought I was the only one with that problem. I have the quality down to 144p and it's still not helping.
goddamn i thought it was just me
Ditto. I wonder what's going on...
Same here on all of my streaming devices.
Same here, won't even turn on with my PS4 so I switched to my phone.
Didn’t get enough of zero two and hiro I wish episodes like 13 to 15 would last forever
Hands down, the best episodes of the anime, next to Episode 7 and 8
Read the manga.. The ending is good
I JAUT WANA C D TEEM KIL MEC DINOS
Preach bro. I fucking loved those two deeply. Even after everything went to shit (thought I was a bit unexperienced to notice it back then) I still cared for them to an immense degree. Years after watching it, I still feel empty when I think of that ending and how I wish we could have spent a little more time with them as characters): FUCK a little more time. I want seasons worth of them just living their lives and growing as persons))):
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Mother's Basement It's very odd. It's not stutter or anything, your video just won't load or buffer at all. I thought it was issues with the Internet but I'm able to watch other videos. I've restarted my phone, no update available.
Clearing RUclips's cache seems to fix it but if you stop it and then start watching again it's back to buggy.
On current version of the app.
I have never seen another show shit the bed that badly as this did after ep 15.
Naruto?
@@6powersofM > implying that Naruto was ever good
Guilty Crown was worse
@@talltroll7092 Naruto before Shippuden was pretty neat
Tall Troll bruh tf
My main gripe is that. Where are the goddamn mad max cars?! I NEED THE GATES OF VALHALLA TO OPEN FOR ME AND MY BROTHERS
Isn't His Name "Frank" not a really clear reference to "Frankenstein?"
The Prototype of atheist mad Scientist?
I thought the issue with Frankenstein was that he was a shitty parent to his creation. Not that he was godless
dr. frankenstein wasn't atheist though, and the monster in the book makes allusion to himself being comparable to satan in paradise lost, a creation hated by its creator who turns to evil for attention and justification. and considering the book was written in the early 1800's england, where being atheist was essentially a white collar crime, it's unlikely any of the characters in the story were even intended to be godless.
later versions of victor frankenstein changed him to the prototypical mad scientist, which is often associated with being heavily anti-theist, but that's an evolution of the tropes and not in the original book.
@@Yal_Rathol Ooh, my bad with the godless part. Thanks for the correction
Like Soul Eater -.-
Honestly, episode 19 didn't strike me as that bad, rather I just kinda thought Darling in the FranXX was a tiny bit overrated as a whole. I mean Hiro was always an Isekai MC in a Mecha anime, Zero Two, while being predetermined as the best girl of the season, has a very inconsistent and unsatisfying personality in my opinion, and Hiro and Zero Two's relationship felt completely plastic to me most of the time.
LMFAO if that one episode ruined it for you then you are going to lose your shit with this today's episode
Yeah, 20 was even worst
I thought it great, is not some cliche stupid reason
Eysedris E the ending was like they were trying to emulate angel beats but failed miserably
"I'm starting to get the impression that Darling in the FranXX might just really, really dumb."
Boy, could've told you that within three episodes, but sure.
11:52 that's how you know this thing is pre-2020
Yeah, as a man of faith, even I'm fucking sick of "I'm evil because I'm an atheist." It's just low hanging offensive fruit at this point. What if there was a villain who believed in God, but hated the concept of sin and rules that justified salvation, so they wanted to create immortality in hopes they could make Heaven on Earth? That's way more interesting than saying that Atheists don't believe in morality.
> Yeah, as a man of faith, even I'm fucking sick of "I'm evil because I'm an atheist
I mean, what's the alternative? He's evil because he's religious? Both are tired cliches at this point.
So true, either way is lazy, but personally I have always been interested in villains that have some relation or disconnection to religion as a PART of their motives; but am constantly let down when it's as simple as "God told me to be evil," or "There is no God so there are no rules!"
ikr it's so lazy, even a traumatic childhood story would be better, still generic, but better
God damn that plot sounds rad as hell. Never seen a character like that would like to see one.
wow, the plot that came through your head would make for a really bad ass villain, i would definitely see a villain like that
One thing that came to light in the new ep: that magma energy isn’t normal magma. At least that’s what I think was explained. And that does change a few things that you have a problem with. Other than that, I mostly agree. I LOVE franxx, but I can see it has problems.
Edit: the franxx are literally just modified klax as well, so the geneticist thing makes sense as he’s just modifying them.
I think as much as I agree with you it might have been better to wait for the next ep to make it.
the manga is one fomr of klaxosaurs, the 2 ape main guys are alien spies that plotted all that happen in advance so they can weakned the klaxo so they could invade earth
When I first heard about Franxx being giant robots piloted by two naked teenagers I knew everything was going to have as dumb or dumber than Pacific Rim.
Naked, plug-suits, same thing.
Is any real explanation given for why they have to wear skin-tight suits instead of their ordinary clothes?
Why?
Yes.
Also why the awkward position for the secondary pilot. If only the "connection" is required, why not have a secondary seat for the other pilot next to the driver, and just have a normal dashboard for the controls and screens in front of the driver. Also, the secondary pilot is not even attached to her seat, the first time the mech falls she is going to be a bloody mush in the ceiling of the mech. Or worse, disable the driver by slamming into his seat.
The Klaxosaur Princess bits his arm off and looks at him in some weird angle, also l i c c s people, zero two catched a fish and looked at hiro like The Klaxosaur Princess did, also She t a s t e s people too.
I kinda liked the episodes
I agree with you I think its mostly his opinion, cuz so far I am loving this serie
Julian Shaw the anime pope doesn't have the same opinion as us? Shall we revolt?
Pope in Italian/Spanish= Papa= APE ofc he doesnt like the episode, we must revolt!
Julian Shaw Geoff is the founder of APE confirmed
SwedishDuck There is a difference between liking something and something being badly written. Some people are just more turned off by sloppy writing than others. He isn't telling you, you should stop enjoying this show. If there is something of value to you there, that is great. He is explaining why it is poorly written, and why it turns him off from the show.
I don't really agree with the first half at all, mostly because I think sometimes telling while showing is fine as long as you make it interesting (which they did IMO), but also because I thought the pointlessness of the relationship was the point. Dr. Franxx never seemed to actually be invested in it until it was too late, and his supposed lack of ethics was nothing but lip service until after her death. The "I'm an atheist" bit came off as more of an excuse he was giving to people for his theories and work, rather than an excuse the writers were giving us. He's presented as a genuine psychopath as far s I can tell.
Then in the middle you just lost me Geoff. Trying to compare a fictional story to real life as directly as you are is already a bad idea, but your premise is also so...flat. APE is presented as having a lot of clout politically and scientifically, and you don't get there without money in the first place. APE is representative of those oil companies within the world's fiction, they are most likely the ones in control of the fuel sources before magma power as well. It's just a really bad assumption to say "oh this could never happen because the oil companies would lobby the fuck out of it" as if APE isn't already presented as the literal Illuminati puppeteers already.
Also complaining about the "obvious twist" and other elements of "how did they not know it wasn't going to work" plot elements...this is part for the course in mech shows that aren't just literally space operas. The robots are special with little to no explanation, or the explanation is a plot twist that everyone expected.
Its his opinion, the reason he dislikes all those things is because its done in one episode in the most simple way possible. Its not that these things aren't possible, they are just simple and overdone. His explanation of why they are a bad way to tell the story is what he is talking about.
If you like mecha-operas, thats fine.
But a major point of why this series was interesting is because it had good world building, nice action, and nice characters. In the latest episodes, it stopped caring about those things and just decided to stop the MAIN action, and tell stories in the most overdone ways possible. THERE WAS potential for it to do great, but it was wasted and settled for average.
Its like if your favorite original pizza place was destroyed and replaced with dominoes. Its not bad, its just not good.
just to respond to a single point, would you accept it if a cruel, money-hoarding miser in a story excused their actions by saying "i'm jewish" with a straight face?
because excusing immoral behaviour with "i'm an atheist" is similar. and yes, atheists have been persecuted in history much like the jews have, socrates was executed for spreading doubt in the gods back in ancient greece, so no, it's not a difference of "the jews were attacked and the atheists weren't".
and i'm not even offended, i was mostly confused, then annoyed by the lazy writing. what if his excuse was something fun, like he came out and just said "i want to fuck a dino-robo-monster girl", and that was his entire reasoning? stupid, sure, but also a lot more fun than "i'm a cardboard cutout of a stereotype".
The Atheism = immoral shtick is actually really popular in Japanese media, especially, because of traditional older people scapegoating every problem of modern Japanese society upon the rise of atheism in Japan. In addition, it is very obviously what they were going for. Mentioning that he was an atheist in the way he did was so completely unnatural and forced. Furthermore, he was even outright called a heathen by his boss for what he was doing and clearly depicted as, yes, an awful person without having established any motivation for him besides him being an atheist. I mean, seriously, he literally respoded with "I am an atheist" in response to "what you are doing is unethical." These two things are utterly unrelated and yet he actually stated that him being a bad person was because of him being an atheist; furthermore, psychopaths don't do that, they don't consider themselves bad (they don't even considered such a concept to be meaninful). It is extremely unlikely that anyone would consider that they are a bad person for what they believe in (unless they have been taught that doing so is wrong--and yet he clearly takes pride in his atheism due to his smug look). This scene was patently absurd and obviously bigoted. I also agree with everything that Oscar said. This episode was a lazy info-dump disguised as a paper-thin narrative about a cardboard cut-out of a scapegoat as its focus and narrator. Not to mention, no, him complaining about APE taking control so easily makes perfect sense; APE would have to have replaced the oil companies in this fictional universe otherwise, and as they only suddenly appeared in a world that seemed to have resembled our own this makes no sense to assume. Also, episode 20 makes it clear that this is impossible as well, because APE are aliens whom only just arrived on the earth at the time. In addition, no, APE was not presented (in episode 19 even) as having a lot of political power; they were referred to as a start-up group; they simply appeared and lacked influence until their immense success which was extremely contrived for the reasons the guy in the video stated (that oil companies would not simply allow some start-up company to expensively alter the entire world's main natural resource sector over a couple of years...Not even to mention that doing so in 7 years would not even be physically feasible...)
@Yal Rathol Well, Socrates was not actually an atheist, but yes, he was persecuted by people believing he was. (He still believed in the Gods of Athens and even that their laws were ordained by the Gods; he just believed that people should have reasons for what they believed in (which the people he questioned did not, and so he challenged them). From what little accounts we have of Socrates' beliefs (mind you he never wrote down nor published any of his philosophy) he considered himself to have been divinely inspired in some sense.
Regu oh certainly, i don't mean to say he was an atheist, athiesm wouldn't exist for millenia in any true sense, the best you would get are deists and well-traveled agnostics (which i will always hate for being a terrible word that means something other than what the words say).
however, it is a fact that he was executed for teaching children to doubt the words of the temples and the holy texts and that the mindset of "question everything" that he and those like him helped to propagate eventually gave rise to the scientific revolutions and the birth of materialism, nihilism and atheism.
i simply used him as an example because i figured it would be more visceral if it was a famous smart person, rather than "and the romans didn't just throw christians to the lions, they also threw pagans and atheists" or something like that.
Honestly I was only watching the show for its *"plot"*
Me too.
DBZMa
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I stopped after ep 14 the only good things to come from this is the porn...
In case you didn't know, the manga is uncensored...
It's a good time
They got us in the 2nd half, not gonna lie.
Oh wait, they actually did.
I just had to come back to say:
Aliens
I can't wait for a chapter 23 review...... this problem needs attention, sir :s
They fuck it up
Fucking it up doesn't even sound like enough, they obliterated it. No trace remains of our once promising anime.
and then you have all these comments defending the series pre-episode 23 still lingering in the top comment replies here
Bad ending
I think what bothered me the most was the fact that the first two thirds of it was amazing. The story, the characters, everything. they didn't make the main heroine some shit waifu material, and they left plently of mystery for the fans. But after episode 19, they demolished that. At the end Zero Two became just tasteless Waifu material. All of her characteristics I loved so much were gone. The whole build up led to "oh we gotta kill the aliens", and the ending was so unsatisfactory with the whole reincarnation thing that I feel like someone carved my lungs out with a rusty fork.
According to Nate Downes above, apparently the story went totally downhill due to major production issues. Basically, originally Trigger and Studio A1 were going to do alternating episodes, but A1 didn’t deliver, Trigger had to edit their episodes at the last minute to hack things together and hide the missing stuff, and then Cloverworks (made from former A1 members) had to pull the second half of the series out of their asses at the last minute to fill the required 24 episodes.
But there is still some hope; the original script was kept and adapted into a manga (with English translation). IDK how good that is, but there is a possibility of this getting a reboot like FMA Brotherhood.
@@KnakuanaRka I’m seriously hoping this can happen, this anime needs to be saved
So Stein:s Gate is the opposite of this show, literally has anti dogma and pro science messages, that while science might mess up, the endless Scientific pursuit is also the only way the solve them. Human has to sort out its own mess, there is no god to do it for us.
Sorry, using any opportunity to slide in Stein;s Gate references :P
God doesn’t do things FOR us or nothing at all - He does things WITH us. Religion and science can coexist.
Just wait until he sees episode 20
I haven't seen it yet, was it bad or good?
Okay, heard from some people and I quote "That was like some Gurren Lagann shit"
Marre it's mediocre. There are expected twists and cliffhanger in the end
Okay, well thanks for the info
Marre it’s good and sort of overturns most of his arguments makes him look stupid after watching it
So episode 20 just rolled around and it actually explains a lot of the plot elements that you were upset about. However it introduced new ones that I am far angrier at. I MEAN CMON WE ALREADY HAVE GIANT MONSTERS WE DIDN'T NEED ANOTHER NEW NON HUMAN THREAT
This is from the same minds that brough NGE, Gurren Lagann, and KLK so.. it's expected?
Nicholas Abraham it's technically not, it's from the mind of Idol Master.
well now all the ape moves make sense, since it seems that they used humanity to weaken the klaxosaour so the alien could invade earth, they literally play everybody like a damm fiddle
Darling in the franxx is evangelion but poorly donne...
So, basically Evangelion.
Or you know Aquarion with Eva elements
I think it's more like Eureka Seven but done poorly.
RayOfTruth true, so maybe more of a mix of Eva, Aquarion and E7
David Laurence What incredible logic, much lauded insight
(how about you shut the fuck up)
16:08 I think you mean that it's a Franxxly unbelievable level of incompetence.
"He's a geneticist not an engineer." Well that would be fixed if they were biomecha oh wait.
apparently Geoff has never heard of genetic engineering.
Heyy, i agree with you but you got the wrong area, the "engineering" in genetic engineering referes to modification of the genome, somone that studies this area won't necesarilly have any knowledge of engineering unless they dedide to study that separetlly. I think the closest to what you meant would be biomedical engineering, wich focuses on both biology and engineering to create most of the medical gear and machines.
Miruna Sima I think the fact that the Franxx are based on the Klaxosaurs are what enabled Dr.Franxx to be included in the research
I disagree with the opinion that it immediately went down hill after 15. I think developing the secondary characters was great. It is entirely a character driven show focusing on the development of Squad 13 and their journey toward autonomy. The action was really just some icing on the cake.
However I hardily agree that the show shit the bed with episode 19 and 20. The writers pulled a sharp 180,
shoehorning in a convoluted backstory and plot filled with undeserved, un-foreshadowed reveals and twists.
I'm pretty sure this sudden flip of narrative approach is simply a means to an end. The writers knew where they wanted the main characters to be at the end of the series, but they didn't know how to get them there, so they contrived this bullshit alien invasion/Franxx are Klaxosaurs plot line to use as a vehicle.
The plot exposition dump is just to prepare the audience for the final fight of the series in the next 4 episodes, at least they have now ticked the "world building" box over on their bucket list.
I disagree. I don't think they did this to check a box. They already had subtle and enigmatic "show don't tell" world building that was quite impressive and very rare to see.
Like I said, I strongly believe that the writers had to more or less tack on thise contrived plot simply to use it as a vehicle to finish out the character arcs.
Also, I don't think this sudden inclusion of a plot dump was to "prepare the audience for the final fight". No other fight in the series needed a convoluted plot to justify it. This isn't a battle shonen. While it has good action, it isn't an action focused show, nor is it a plot driven show. It is character driven. Thus is would make little sense for the writers to shoehorn in this info dumb to prepare the audience for a fight, when the fighting isn't and hasn't ever been the focus to begin with. Just like every other battle thus far, they could have included some brief, pseudo-enigmatic information as to why the fight is happening and the audience would be entirely satisfied.
The original manga had this whole exposition before it even introduced the first character. They just delayed that for episode 19, and had plenty of time before that point to be more subtle about explaining things. That opportunity however, was not used to its fullest extent. This seemed like a hurried attempt to not deviate too much from the manga and trying to explain everything as quickly as possible to introduce the aliens for the audience before they run out of episodes to air.
+Token Finnish Guy Sorry but you are completely backwards. There was no original manga. The manga is an adaptation of the series. The anime came first. The manga is a side project begun due to the success of the anime. The script for the series likely existed in full before the idea of the manga adaptation was even put on the table.
Why is it so radically different in the way it is presented from the manga though? It does not matter which way around they are- it is still quite an odd decision. It does not also remove the question why they condensed so much lore into just two episodes; it wouldn't make sense from a writer's view especially since they have been dropping hints slowly all series. The fact is, they have just 4 more episodes left, they probably had to dump all the info to get to the final climax of the show without leaving the audience any questions.
This show continues to look like an Eva ripoff without the subtlety of Eva...